By Moni Basu, CNN
(CNN) – Military development. Academics. Athletics. Three pillars of Army values that cadets at America's most prestigious military academy live by.
But West Point cadet Blake Page says there is one other unspoken pillar at the United States Military Academy: religion.
That's why, with just five months left before graduation, Page quit.
And he did it in a most public fashion – in a fiery blog post.
"The tipping point of my decision to resign was the realization that countless officers here and throughout the military are guilty of blatantly violating the oaths they swore to defend the Constitution," wrote Page, 24, in The Huffington Post.
"These men and women are criminals, complicit in light of day defiance of the Uniform Code of Military Justice through unconstitutional proselytism, discrimination against the non-religious and establishing formal policies to reward, encourage and even at times require sectarian religious participation. These transgressions are nearly always committed in the name of fundamentalist evangelical Christianity."
I like little boys...they didn't let me go to USMA
Or am I? mua hahahaha
You're all so dumb, I'm 7 of the personalities on this forum. What a bunch of losers...oh wait...
You're not me. Wait ... no, you're not.
It doesn't matter. Most responses are more for the general audience than for the specific poster, and any statement can be used to support our general position or discredit yours.
You can troll all you like, because here it doesn't diminish the points made at all.
A lot of people do the many-masks thing. We know it. We use it to our advantage.
You are the vehicle for our message. Keep up the good work.
Tom Tom, do contribute or just belittle?
Do you respond of just blather?
edit: "or just".
Do you have any qualifications as a professional to judge someone's mental state based on an article? If not, then why are you doing so?
Is it bullshit? Or not?
I'm throwing down the BS flag.
I'm just here troll hunting
See the movie:
Trollhunter 2010 PG-13 103 minutes Trolljegeren
Three students enter the Norwegian woods to film a documentary on a bear poacher who claims that he really tracks trolls for the Norwegian government.
Great flick!! You can stream on Netflix now.
*sniped* next target...
Agreed. I'm a tough critic, and it's a decent flick.
may i be 3rd?
Well, gross a most got me so I don't have to off myself now.
Yeah but Apple, I think that bear poacher is a butter runner now. Some run towards the big money.
I'm sorry Apple Bush, you don't have to off yourself...I'll get you off.
Plus there's big money in a bear's gall bladder, isn't there?
a prime example of christian love and acceptance...
Hey booty, do you fish? I use to troll Kauai's deep water every day. Love it out there.
don't overreact. just a comment.
but yes, i fish. been going to the north shore lately. that way if they aren't biting, i can watch the surfing.
Wow booty, wow.
If he was truly depressed his academic worked would have suffered as well. Not trolling here...I've seen dirtbags like him
So your qualifications as a psychiatrist are from where, exactly?
jimbo, how did you jump to "dirtbag"?
No one needs a degree in over-medicating america to know true depression would affect all aspects of one's life. Read: The Loss of Sadness: How Psychiatry Transformed Normal Sorrow into Depressive Disorder
You used an "ed" ending on noun?? by accident? I could see the mistake if you were using it as a verb...
Dirtbag castigation drawn from the newest excuse to flake out upon realizing college is over and it's time to serve
So reading a book makes you an expert on depression? You now know exactly how every person on earth reacts when depressed?
My goodness, how is it I've never heard of you? Why aren't you being sought after by everybody? Why are you living in anonymity? You should be famous!
jimbo, you know jack all about it.
jimbo I am depressed as hell. Can you help me?
Apple Bush, your case is hopeless...best to off yourself
How proud Jesus must be of his disciple in moments like these.
jimbo, thank you. I will give it some thought.
Unfortunately, deep down Jimbo is most likely correct
Oh, look. Another "expert" weighs in.
Jimbo, so......it's better for someone to off themselves rather than take meds for depression?
Yes, anything one decides is all crap, one "runs from". LOL
Pity. So that's why there are no atheists in fox holes.
I served 3 tours in Iraq. That is 110 % false. How many did YOU serve ? Liar.
There are no atheists in fox holes? What does that mean?
Pity you say the same thing time and time again.
Mix it up, won't you?
That was probably at least two tours too many Enlisted guy. There's no way anything can be 110 % false. Check under your helmet. I think there may be some damage in there.
fox holes: places where you can find foxes and sometimes heroes :-)
Well, Chard, you certainly don't qualify as either a fox or a hero. Therefore, your say-so on what or who might be found in one is hardly worth spit.
Absurdity of Chad ism; goon.
Again with the spitting...Oy!
What? Someone has been discussing spitting? Who gave anyone leave to do so? I demand a retraction. Or an extraction.
filthy hindu spit in my face ashamed to be human. Oy!
Remind us what foxholes you've been in to support your claim? Please provide as much detail as possible...
Or, as is normally the case, the failure to think for yourself (by using a tired form of bumper sticker Christianity) confirms the sad but unnecessary vacuum present underneath your helmet...
Chad, thinking for yourself requires great courage.
still got that diarrhea of the brain, do you chad?
jeebus is waiting,what are you doing down here?
Kid is on a hypocritical soapbox, USMA just married a lesbian couple at the chapel. A handful or cadets/midshipmen flake out before graduation every year. This is the newest excuse.
There've been plenty of news stories over the last 10 years of growing evangelism in the military. It's a problem. Armed delusional nuts, not a good combo.
Looks like someone didn't want to fulfill their 5 year commitment...he better pay back his $250k education.
There's an article?
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Again with the spit. Oy!
Oh.. go choke on a knot of rusted barbed wire.
Better. Better. The meds are working. Maybe in 5 years you will make some sense.
bibble bobble boo?
I do not think about things that I don't think about.
Ah, Grasshopper is wise.
I do not eat those things which I do not set in front of me on the table.
I do no go where I do not drive.
I do not write that is not written.
Excerpt from Scopes trial.
Examination of W.J. Bryan by Clarence Darrow, of counsel for the defense:
Q–When was that Flood?
A–I would not attempt to fix the date. The date is fixed, as suggested this morning.
Q–About 4004 B.C.?
A–That has been the estimate of a man that is accepted today. I would not say it is accurate.
Q–That estimate is printed in the Bible?
A–Everybody knows, at least, I think most of the people know, that was the estimate given.
Q–But what do you think that the Bible, itself says? Don't you know how it was arrived at?
A–I never made a calculation.
Q–A calculation from what?
A–I could not say.
Q–From the generations of man?
A–I would not want to say that.
Q–What do you think?
A–I do not think about things I don't think about.
Q–Do you think about things you do think about?
(Laughter in the courtyard.)
krhodes is that old?? he was at the Scopes trial?? wow – it's all coming together now.
No sh!t? This is on the level, Apple??
I first learned about the trial when doing the play, "Inherit the Wind." Great movie too.
or could it be that big streak of YELLOW running down his spine.
After three years of enlisted service before he joined the academy, that must be it.
In my years in the military, it was quite common to see cowards calling others "cowards."
But, you use "Texas" in your name, so that explains everything.
I never actually did any time in the military. Too scary. I just like swift-boating others.
No one wants to talk about your watersports fantasies, tough guy.
sure, trav, sure.
texas, eh? are you one of those like bush43 who likes to talk a big game but won't show up to play, pen-day-hoe?
Just another whiney baby who undoubtedly go on to annoy others. Why does CNN hate christianity so much?
LOL Poor little thing. Well at least your persecution complex is satisfied for another day.
Yes, their hatred is evidenced by the daily articles about the greatness of christianity. Nice try...
Because it deserves it. It's been sooo a-p-o-l-o-g-e-t-i-c in the face of reason and progress.
A better question would be, why doesn't CNN hate christianity more?
Yes, I remember reading in "Foxe's Book of Martyrs" how Stephen, Peter, and Paul all whined about why the Roman government and the Jewish religious leaders were pickin' on them by stoning, crucifixion or beheading them....
The more important question is why are Evangelicals in the U.S. such whiney victims who are so convinced that their beliefs are true that they'll sue to prove them...
christians show bigotry. christians get called out for bigotry. christians cry that it's unfair their ignorance is pointed out, especially in the media.
Yeah because a religion based on an ancient angry deity who is such a jerk that he requires his son to die before he could say "I forgive you" makes SO much sense as a world religion.
Based on an Angry God? Only a rightious and Holy God will judge and eventually destroy evil.
Yes, the Holy and Rightious God who pays your Pardon with his own death and sacrifice.
Would you rather evil just continue? Would you rather he not Pardon you?
Or do you think you are so self rightious you you don't need a pardon?
As I said, a deity who requires his son to die before he can pardon is :
1. subject to a system, and therefore not god,
2. not a god worth the name
Oh so your god is dead then. Thanks for clearing that up.
When is she going to "destroy" evil anyway ? You people keep saying that. Even Jeebus said "THIS generation will not pass away until all these things have been accomplished" (thus proving he was not god, and knew nothing about what he was saying).
It interests me how the Christian god created the conditions for which he would then have to be "just" and "holy."
Kinda like a firefighter who torches a building just so his station can be called and he can be a hero.
I call it a strawman theology or theodicy. Works well.
@ bucky (sorry, can't do the inverted thing...)
Great point...although, as a former Evangelical, we then modified the "literal" scripture by re-defining the word "generation" and decided it meant "the Christian generation" or a particular period of dispensation
... or whatever other convolutions one has to create when one declares "god's word" to be literal and inerrant.
You all were given free will to choose, it is all up to you. Yes Jesus, God died and rose again, and whoever believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.
Yes he Pardons, and he paid the price.
Bucky you think he should pardon, only by overlooking evil? Then he would not be righteous.
Look up the Greek word that was translated as Generation, for it also mean Race or People groups. Yep the Jews will not pass away, and now that Israel is reborn we are now seeing the fulfilling prophesies of the Last Days,
Neuro-science has debunked "free will" Humans are not 100% conscious of the elements involved in a choice until after it's made. Your pathetic attempt to explain "evil" is childish and utter crap.
12 The burden of the word of the Lord concerning Israel. Thus declares the Lord who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him, 2 “Behold, I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that causes reeling to all the peoples around; and when the siege is against Jerusalem, it will also be against Judah. 3 It will come about in that day that I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples; all who lift it will be severely injured. And all the nations of the earth will be gathered against it.
Yeah, "generations" .. whatever. Nothing he said is trustworthy. They can explain away anything they want if they try hard enough. Some say it's "race" of Jews, some other stuff. In fact Jesus was an apocalypic preacher, just like all the others of his day, and he was wrong.
And thanks for making my point again. If he NEEDS to be "righteius" under a *system*, then he did not create the system. Can't have a creator subject to his own system.
For a bunch of people who preach tolerance, these leftists sure don't show much.
Don't quote Babble verses to non-believers without fist establishing it's authority.
I can quote Dr. Suess and it means just as much.
Sure they have debunked free will!! Really.. Yes we have built in reflexes (Designed that way for survival) that our brains react to without our having to decide, but every day you can decide right from wrong, period.
We've been saying this for 2000 years now, and they keep buying the bull. Any day now. Right.
Why do so many christians scream persecution when they're only being held to equal standards that all of society faces?
Bucky claims "They can explain away anything they want if they try hard enough."
Funny Bucky just explained how clearly he runs from God, The Scriptures!! Thanks!!
Saying "period" does not end a discussion. You need an education in Psychology. You "decide" nothing if you are not aware of the elements of the decision. They are not talking about "reflexes".,
@ Leo...your need to witness and avoid the complexity of the issue is typical...but thanks for describing the convolutions required to comprehend the "word of god."
The average person doesn't know Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic....the English word "generation" is understood as a (in general) 40 year period. But language and words change, constantly. For you to ascribe different definitions to a word calls into question your god's honesty...he should know that the definition of word's change over time and thus, could be interpreted differently even a few years from an original meaning. If he was truly serious, considering the "eternal consequences," he would be utilizing a more effective means of com munication.
Of course, the Evangelical answer we used was: if you're filled with the holy spirit (or ghost, depending upon which denomination requires the differentiation), then the spirit will provide you with the (magical) correct use of the word. Always had an easy answer for everything, we did :0)
And Leo, like most Evangelicals, you're a little obsessed with "justice"...the minor prophets' ideas of justice (and, presumably god's), not to mention some versions of Jesus, is quite different than 20th and 21st Century American concepts.
Oh, and "choice"? Not so much. Your god gave an ultimatum, not a choice...
Coming soon, thanks for verifying some more prophesies!!
II Peter 3
3 Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” 5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6 through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. 7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
Leo is one of the reasons I'm occasionally sad that copy/paste was ever invented.
Hey Leo! Let's play a fun game! Go get a plastic bag and put it over your head, and breathe real deep. It's fun!
Funny how Science, Psychology, etc. always make a bunch of excuses for everyone, was it your mom and dads fault you turned from God? A Hypocrite maybe, or was it genetic?
Free Choice – Accept Gods Pardon or Don't
The events coming soon will make it more and more clear! so don't wait too long!
It is so sad to see someone that doesn't do his thinking for himself...
claims for "fulfilled" prophecy change with each generation (in the 40 year term...helps to define words, doesn't it?)...Read the 1st edition of "The Late Great Planet Earth" and then consider Hal Lindsey's claims today....And they are different among the different denominations.
Again, your lack of direct response to what folks have called you on here, and your examples given confirm your dishonesty, and the dishonesty of the god you claim exists...
I feel for you , bro...
Leo says: "Funny how Science, Psychology, etc. always make a bunch of excuses for everyone..."
And I was just thinking that exact thing about Christian scripture, apologetics, theodicy, theology and Christian declarations on an almost daily basis.
The Christian god has quite the team of lawyers....
Burning man, for the guy that claims "The average person doesn't know Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic....the English word "generation" is understood as a (in general) 40 year period."
Duh... do you understand the book of Matthew was written in Greek? Do you understand that Greek words have multiple meanong?
Sorry buddy, but your attempt to pertray me as dishonest just won't work.
Those types of desparate attempts only show you don't have anything to defend your point. Good try though!!
Here's a free cookie, and if you don't accept it I'm going to stab you in the face with a pair of scissors. Hey, it's your choice! Free will and all. Don't call me a bad guy!
"Pertray"? "Desparate"? "Meanong"? "Rightious"?
Yes, Leo surely inspires faith and trust in his ability to interpret the word of god.
Only if god is a really bad writer.
...BTW, Leo, the writers of the various forms of literature that comprise the New Testament must have been deeply influenced by the Greeks and Romans...they are clever....
But even more clever, and typical, is how you dismiss your responsibility to care for "the lost" by continuting the "either accept or burn, your choice" ultimatum.
If you truly cared, you wouldn't be here typing, you'd be investing your life in the lives of others and sacrificing your life for those you currently despise...
But, there is no courage among the Body of Christ...and your daily life confirms the non-existence of your god.
"pertray" ? Hahaha
It's "portray". And you are not smart enough to be "dishonest". ALl you know is how to "do" Babble verses. Typical.
@ Leo...that responding post made no sense, Leo...and you didn't read my post with any comprehension...
But, sad to say, that is your way...as Mark Noll said in the first sentence of his popular book "The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind"
"The scandal of the evangelical mind is that there is not much of an Evangelical mind." His book was published in 1987, Leo, and you continue to show that he is correct and that you either can't listen or are unwilling to "listen" to what people are trying to discuss with you...
I wish you well, Leo....
I'd wish Leo well, too, but I don't think he'll ever be a "well" person.
I wonder, do you really think you're saying anything new, or in any way compelling? Threatening people doesn't convince people you're right, it just makes you look like an ass.
@ Tom, Tom...
I've been an admirer for some time, thanks for your posts.
Not many "well" people occupying the pews in the various denominations and "non" denominational churches I attended over the 3 decades I lived the Evangelical lifestyle. I include myself in that term.
I've been clean for 15 plus years...and, like an addiction, you are always getting over it.
Seriously Leo, you really should read the science on free will before commenting on it. You clearly are speaking form a place of ignorance but trying to cover for it by attempting to discredit psychology. This though, only serves to highlight your ignorance because the science behind the study of free will has nothing to do with psychology. It uses MRI technology to map the brain's response to "making a choice" in contrast with when the subject becomes aware that they have made a choice. It's fascinating stuff.
Really though, I should caution you in advance. Learning may lead to unexpected bouts of clarity and conscious reasoning. If you're the kind of person that likes to rely on fact free, emotion-based, fight or flight lizard-brain reactions, this may not be compatible with your fantasy-based view you have of yourself.
I call shenanigans!
There are few things in this world more unsettling than going in the back to grab some condiments and end up staring at a huge, steaming pile of cock.
shenanigans = Shenaniganz in the movie Waiting = homophobic flashing game = funny as hell
That damn movie kills me every time.
The Bible IS the authority and nonsense!
Yes – it is nonsense.
on, on not and...on dammit it's on.
Isn't it funny the same service that preaches this crap is the same system that makes sure to a high percentage, your sisters and daughters will get ra'ped if they enter military service.
They are also the ones en masse, most likely to condone killing.
Kids got guts!
Actually there are some real issues with his story. He states that he was never directly discriminated against, just that he heard about it. It also becomes apparent that he was not going to be allowed to be commissioned and nothing he stated says that it was related to his stance on religion. It is not common for a cadet at the service academies to be denied commissioning so there has to be more to this story than there appears to be.
it's a bit opportunistic and it makes Mr. Page less credible.
He is being honorably discharged at his request because the US Army ruled him mentally unfit to hold a command rank. The commission is why he went to the academy.
Now that he doesn't have to keep his mouth shut to get his commission, he is taking the opportunity to speak out about practices at the Academy that he doesn't agree with. Yes, it makes him look a bit petulant and therefore less credible.
I suspect that Mikey Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation might be the one encouraging him to speak out publically. This does a bit of a disservice to the young man.
Let's remember that he did serve his country for three years as an enlisted man. He did serve his country at the Academy. Knowing that he won't get a commission, he is not staying on as a cadet at tax-payer expense to finish his degee.
The Bible IS the authority on morality!
No, it's not.
That's why atheists participate in less major crime, why secular democracies are by far the safest and egalitarian places, and why atheists are less likely to support war and torture than Christians.
Then why did all of the morals in the bible already exist before the bible was written?
Then why does it condone slavery?
Wow. What will The Jewish, Islamic and Hindu Faiths do now? How morally bankrupt can a Christian become with a comment like that?
Yeah it sure is. Kill all those disobedient children. Yes indeed.
As pointed out above, all morality in the Bible was sanctioned from it's culture, not the other way around. If you think not, give us ONE example of a law in the Bible which did not exist in it's culture before it was written.
95 % of the prisoners in US prisons self-identify themselves as "Christian".
I that "salvation" crap really works, now doesn't it, Ms. Morality.
The bib le is only an authority on the christian religions. There is very little morality outside the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. It condones the deaths of over a million people in the Jewish conquest of the Levant. It paints a picture of a petty and childish God that drowns and burns people that don't love him. It forces a woman to marry her husband's brother if he dies childless.
Please save us from biblical morality! Give me secular morality anyday.
I think your forgetting that this country was built on the bible "in God we trust" and the bible dosent condone slavery at least not in the way most americans view it.
LOL You're kidding right? Do you know anything about American History?
Al, define "god".
"this country was built on the bible "in God we trust""
Oh, that's really funny!
Al, Take a look at Genesis 9.
@Al, Also, you are aware the "in god we trust" is taken from the muslim holy book, the quran, right?
Bull. It is frequently the opposite.
I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved – the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced! With the rational respect that is due to it, knavish priests have added prosti-tutions of it, that fill or might fill the blackest and bloodiest pages of human history. "
– John Adams in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, 09/03/1816
Oh, my goodness, that's right. Now I remember how Confucius referred to Exodus chapter 20 in the Analects...
The Bible IS the authority on morality!"
Yeah! My favorite morality story from the Bible is when God kills all the innocent firstborn children of Egypt to "teach Pharaoh a lesson." And when God kills all the innocent infants and children in the great flood because of the sins of their parents.
Kill the kids!! Kill the babies and infants!! Fantastic moral story I say!
Oh Al...so much epic fail.
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