By Joe Sutton, CNN
(CNN) - A federal judge ruled that North Carolina's new "Choose Life" license plates are unconstitutional because the state does not offer a pro-choice alternative.
"The State's offering a Choose Life license plate in the absence of a pro-choice alternative constitutes viewpoint discrimination in violation of the First Amendment," U.S. District Court Judge James Fox wrote in the ruling Friday.
The ruling was praised by the American Civil Liberties Union, which had filed a lawsuit in 2011 to stop the specialty plates.
"This is a great victory for the free speech rights of all North Carolinians, regardless of their point of view on reproductive freedom," said Chris Brook of the ACLU. "The government cannot create an avenue of expression for one side of a contentious political issue while denying an equal opportunity to citizens with the opposite view."
Republican state Rep. Mitch Gillespie, who sponsored the bill for the "Choose Life" plates, said he would push for an appeal of the judge's decision, CNN affiliate WRAL reported.
The bill for the license plates passed in 2011, and the legislation also mandated that money raised from the sale of the specialty plates would go to a nonprofit that supports crisis pregnancy centers, WRAL reported.
During the fight to get the bill passed, North Carolina lawmakers voted down amendments that would have created pro-choice alternatives such as "Trust Women. Respect Choice," the affiliate reported.
The "Choose Life" plates are available in 29 states, according to Choose Life Inc., a nonprofit that helps states that want to sell these specialty plates.
Only for the new members of this blog- see p. 8 for added details–
The license plates in all states should read:
"STOP THE BRUTAL EFFECTS OF STUPIDITY"–
from the Guttmacher Insti-tute:
"• Fifty-four percent of women who have abortions had used a contraceptive method (usually the condom or the pill) during the month they became pregnant. Among those women, 76% of pill users and 49% of condom users report having used their method inconsistently, while 13% of pill users and 14% of condom users report correct use."
Does anyone seriously think if the state instead offered only a pro abortion plate the ACLU would make a peep? Nope, not consistent with their agenda. DCLU is closer to the truth.
And guess what? If it were brought up to the courts, it would have ruled the same way.
Saying you are pro abortion is like saying you are pro tonsillectomy. On a license plate it would be in bad taste, but not an endorsement by the state of an idea that is religious in nature.
Why do license plates have to be a billboard for ANY political position?
Exactly, Cheese. People already adorn their cars with all kinds of junk. Keep that damn government-issue plate clear from anything other than the ID.
This plate is pro choice. It is just advocating one of the choices. How would you word the other choice?
"How would you word the other choice?"
I would frame the other choice as " Stand in your own shoes, let me stand in mine!"
The pro-abortion plate sounds like a terrible entree.
So cheesemaker, you want a license plate that says "not yours" on it? That's not very clear in meaning.
You say the other plate should say "Stand in your own shoes, let me stand in mine". I have no problem with a plate with that text, although it is not at all an opposing view to "choose life".
Yes, Southerner, it is. What the "choose life" plate is endorsing is allowing only ONE choice. That isn't a choice. Those who are pro-choice are not anti-life; they simply believe the choice is that of the woman who is pregnant.
Maybe they could just show a picture of an aborted baby on the licenses plate instead of the words choose life. Some states only require 1 plate.
And the choice side can have a picture of a botched back alley abortion.
Choose Life – two words only – you don't question that a fetus is alive ( a life), do you? The plate isn't a religious endorsement.
Pro choice conveys that same though then, by your logic.
According to to your babble book, Adam was not alive until god breathed life into him. Your "god's word" says until it has taken its first breath outside the womb, it's not a life.
Maybe they just put a picture of a priest banging a 10 year old boy instead of the words pro-life.
If you want to allow the opposite viewpoint, literally the plate should read "Choose Death." Appropo slogan for many of the radical left. ACLU are a bunch of hypocrites and shills for the left, nothing more – every lawyer knows this.
As a tool of the left I find the ACLU, Union of Concerned Scientists, Sierra Club and few others to be effective foils for your sort – everyone of conscience should know this.
If they are just shills for the left why did they represent Rush Limbaugh?
Read the article again.
And congratulations. You're appoximately the 300th person who has used this same pithy statement.
Lots of personal attacks, congratulations – way to debate an issue. Tolerance is the order of the day I see.
Where in the replys were you personally attacked?
I love how you're pretending anything you've posted was meant for debate. Away with thee, twatwaffle!
Sam, your pet names for these posters make me giggle endlessly!
Sam, you are a keyboard toughguy/girl. Bless your cowardly heart.
The concept Pro choice means you get ot choose between the options. One option is to "choose life". What is the other choice? Tell me how you would word the oppositional choice to keeping the baby and I'll advocate for your license plate!
Life in this context is meant to be a daring statement of what is at stake in this kind of choice. No one would say that one should choose "life" for a malignant tumor (which is certainly alive). You mean "choose to preserve human life", but what of people who don't agree that a fetus is a human being and should be protected over the best interests of the mother?
So tomtom, how about a plate that says "I was a tumor until I was born?" That seems to cover the ideas you suggest.
License plates shouldn't make political statements at all! Now if you want to plaster your car with 100s of horribly ugly "Abortion is MURDER!" and "JESUS IS LORD" stickers, like that one mid 80's model van you see around town, go ahead. I'm just going to buy a fish that says Sushi instead of Jesus. And since I live in NC my car will probably get vandalized for it.
If you live in NYC, your car will probably be vandalized anyway, regardless of whether you get a fish.
Yet another 501(c)(3) with a national agenda. This is much bigger than North Carolina.
"Choose Life America, Inc. is an IRC 501(c)(3) organization and donations are tax deductible. Contributions and profits from the sale of promotional items are used to help Choose Life America, Inc. promote the sale of the real Choose Life License Plate which raises funds to support adoption efforts of Crisis Pregnancy Centers, Maternity Homes and not-for-profit adoption agencies. Please consider supporting us. Everyone is a volunteer; no salaries are paid to anyone."
It's interesting to see which states use the graphic with a white child and a black child.
Out of 29 states with "choose life" plates:
Both white (or background) ..... 16
One white, one black ................ 07
Different graphic:....................... 06
A graphic of a blastocyst would be more honest than this one.
I saw one that said, "Allah&PP, 911Everyday"
Funny thing is that if this plate said "choose trees" the same people hating it would love it.
And if it said "choose guns" the people who like it now would still like it.....and that's even funnier.
I'm going to sue because I didn't see a "Kill the Turtle" license plate as an opposing view the the "save the turtle" plate they offer in North Carolina.
Reread the article until you understand why you're a nitwit.
Can't people see the logic in all of this besides bringing religion into the argument. (And I am a Christian and Pro-Lifer.) This judge just basically infringed on someone else's First Amendment right to protect another. No matter what side you're on, you have to see the basic logic here.
Why? You obviously don't.
You little twerp, nobody is preventing your pro-life pals from expressing themselves. They can buy a bumper sticker or plaster their front doors with all the slogans they want. What they don't get to do is have the state sanction their point of view while refusing to afford others the same right.
Political statements of any stripe do not belong on license plates.
I think if the state were providing the tags for free then they would be wrong..however since we actually pay for them..why not?
It's right and good that you should want to protect another human being. The Constitution doesn't specify that as a right, but I hope we all agree we have that right. I think a fully formed nervous system, and consciousness of self are important determinants of what makes a human being a human being. Fetuses lack that and so shouldn't have special protections or rights that supersede those of its mother. People appeal to religion for reasons why it should. States cannot take sides in an argument based on religious ideas.
Tomtom, what do you want the other plate to say? remember that this plate says choose life, not ban abortion. If you are for a choice and one choice is to choose to carry the child, what do you want on the other plate?
Per the (short) article:
"During the fight to get the bill passed, North Carolina lawmakers voted down amendments that would have created pro-choice alternatives such as "Trust Women. Respect Choice," the affiliate reported."
Because they ruled against citizens being able to pay to have an opposing view on their plate. It's really not that hard to figure out why this would be overruled.
No one is trying to prevent people from expressing their pro-life views. The point is the state was refusing to allow those that are pro-choice to express their view.
The ruling simply states that both sides must be given an equal platform.
"I'm not" How does saying "choose life" not respect choice?It is just encouraging one choice. Wouldn't the oppositional position be to choose the other choice?
Respect choice is not the oppositional position from choose life. Choose life respects choice. It just encourages one choice. The other position is to advocate the other choice.
The other choice: the best interest of the mother who, unlike the fetus, is a human being.
Tomtom, I am not one of those people who thinks a woman who's life or health are at risk should attempt to carry to term. Certainly in those cases the life of the mother should take precedence. Nor am I suggesting, as some would, that abortion be illegal. However, I see nothing wrong with encouraging women to carry to term then put the child up for adoption, just like I don't think it is bad to encourage them to use condoms, as well as other forms of birth control.
Bartender, another Dewars with 2 ice cubes. Hand me a few Bayer aspirin.
I would have figured that to the liberal way of thinking, NC's "National Rifle Association" specialty plate would be close enough to the opposite of "Choose Life."
Ooh, super clever! You're only the 250th person to make some version of that joke today.
G_Edwards...you cannot use liberal and thinking in the same sentence...the two are mutually exclusive.
Sortakinda is also Chick-a-dee, who pretends to be an Italian Catholic who is currently married.
She is none of those things.
She IS person who pretended to be
16 years old yesterday...when in fact she is a 47 yo woman.
And she has the NERVE to call US posers?
She pulls this sh!t all the time.
Her false piety is only exceeded by her duplicity.
Well. Smack my ass and call me "honey"! So the Chick-a-doobie is pulling a herbie? What a shock that an anti-choice zealot would be a dishonest POS! I'm SHOCKED! Shocked, I tell you!
I knew you would be, Tom Tom, LOL, not.
Like I said, she pulls this sh!t all the time.
And as per her usual MO, sortakinda runs away.
Typical behavior for this known hypocrite.
She's probably busy building a new identi.ty.
This is all a BS argument
"The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion" article
Jesus was not wanted in this world. The killers would double kill Him if they could. They do it here. They must think He's one of their own, a gang banger.
30 pages and it is still an endless festival of Retardlicans with the same argument revealing they either didn't read the article or didn't understand it. Retardlicans, are you really worried about our country? Please fight for more money to be spent on education - you really need it.
You guys are pretty brutal...
You act like I'm some stealth religious republican out to play some mind game!
I just thought some people's comments were not very funny and underminded either sides feelings. And maybe if they read up on this stuff they wouldnt say such things without a little more thought. And yes, the pictures are wrong to post... But ignoring people that do that is probably the best way to go? I am one that wouldn't have an abortion, but just want others to be educated on all aspects of it, and their
opinion can be what it is. I am not arrogant... So guys please lay off... I was just trying to have conversation...
Of course you'd have an abortion if it was necessary to save your life. Same if it was your daughter/sister/mother, etc.
Let's get real.
"Underminded"? Did you think that was a word?
Excuse me, Tom Tom. Jane Roe identified the procedure, not me. It wouldn't bother you to have a nearly full-term baby have his skull crushed in order that you could have the abort that you believe is your right? How about when they break off the limbs to complete the job? You are to be pitied.
You might want to read up on late term abortions and how often they happen and for what reasons.
Since 2007 34 state had bans on late term abortions and all the others had some form of restrictions, all making late term abortions only possible for viability of the fetus and life of the mother.
They are extremely rare procedures, as most abortions take place before the 9th week of gestation, when the fetus is nothing more then a ball of dividing cells.
Ireland is the prime example of not allowing any abortions for any reason and the consequences when things go wrong.
And are you willing to pay more in taxes to take care of all those kids?
I bet you would not pay one dime more for the 54 mill aborted since 1973 like you posted below.
Sorta idiotic, what part of "this procedure has been illegal for years" do you not comprehend? Read slowly. Move your lips.
Maybe after much repet ition, the facts will sink in.
The partial birth abortion procedure has been banned. However, the law doesnothing to prohibit any other process of abortion right up to the delivery date. But hey, keep spouting the mantra.
However, the law doesnothing to prohibit any other process of abortion right up to the delivery date.
Women have access to abortion in the third trimester only in extreme circu.mstances. Fewer than 2% of abortions are provided at 21 weeks or after, and they are extremely rare after 26 weeks of pregnancy. Very few abortions are provided in the third trimester, and they are generally limited to cases of severe fetal abnormalities or situations when the life or health of the pregnant woman is seriously threatened.
I see the fundies are still at it.
Jeff, dear, if you're reading, you should probably take a class. It's worthy 'adversary,' ya moron.
The day some half-wit like you and your anti-choice cronies think you can dictate what women "must do" is the day the SCOTUS rolls over and plays dead.
You're nothing but a hypocrite. You don't care about the fetus. Your sole intent is to force women who have s3x to pay for their mistake by giving birth, as though they just get pregnant all by themselves. Too bad for you, honey, but you don't get to decide that. It's already been done. More than 3 decades ago.
It's not going to be overturned.
The first one to resort to name calling loses the argument. You lose, Tom Tom.
Yeah...seems mainly to stem from the basic idea of 'wimmins should keep their legs together or else THEY ARE WHOOOOOORES'. They don't really care about babies. They just want to punish their mommies for never breast feeding them enough when they were tykes.
@sortakinda – what is this, middle school? Bug off, douchecanoe.
No, dear sorta dumb. I didn't "lose" at all. Last I checked, abortion was still legal and you have achieved nothing whatsoever, other than to make yourself a laughingstock as a result of your ignorance.
New to these boards?
The politeness police?
Please go through every post, especially 'Atheist Hunter's', and politely remind it not to call the people it disagrees with perverts, evil, possessed, deviants, etc.
You wouldn't be the person who was pretending to be 16 yesterday, would you?
@Akira – sortakinda could NEVER get into advanced placement.
Sam: no doubt...and btw, your canoe comment made me laugh...
You're an idiot, aren't you?
Sam-asking if it's Middle School? Have an adult read your posts to you and you'll have the answer.
Sortakinda, cupcake, I'll type this extremely slowly so you can follow along:
Religious beliefs do not belong in civil law.
You DON'T get a say in whatever any other woman does with her body, no matter how personally repugnant you find it.
If you don't want a legal abortion, do not get one.
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