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CNN: My Take: Let's protect religious counselors amid 'conversion therapy' debate
Gabe Lyons, author of The Next Christians: Seven Ways You Can Live the Gospel and Restore the World, explains why the religious community should fight for clients and psychiatrists’ right to receive and provide conversion therapy to alter homosexuality.
Tweet of the Day:
Dear friends, I am pleased to get in touch with you through Twitter. Thank you for your generous response. I bless all of you from my heart.— Benedict XVI (@Pontifex) December 12, 2012
Dear friends, I am pleased to get in touch with you through Twitter. Thank you for your generous response. I bless all of you from my heart.
Pope Benedict XVI's first tweet.
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A priest blesses a newlywed couple with holy water during a mass wedding in conjunction with the date 12.12.12 at a Chinese temple in Kuala Lumpur. Some 200 couples gathered at the temple to attend a grand colorful wedding ceremony on December 12, 2012, which many in Asia mark as an auspicious date on the calendar.
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Newlywed couples pose for a group picture during a mass wedding ceremony in conjunction with the date 12.12.12 at a Chinese temple in Kuala Lumpur on December 12, 2012.
Los Angeles Times: Rabbi who refused to testify freed after seven months in prison
A Brooklyn orthodox rabbi who was jailed after refusing to answer questions before a federal grand jury, saying his religion forbid him from testifying against other Jews, was ordered freed this week by a district court judge in Los Angeles, the rabbi’s attorney said.
The Daily Mail: Sikh soldier makes history as he guards Buckingham Palace wearing turban instead of traditional bearskin
Changing the Guard at Buckingham Palace yesterday also offered a glimpse into the changing face of Britain. Standing alongside his fellow Scots Guardsmen resplendent in their bearskins was Sikh Jatinderpal Singh Bhullar – the first soldier in his 180-year-old regiment to swap the traditional headwear for a turban. Sikhs have guarded the Queen many times before but have always worn the bearskin.
Religion News Service: Orthodox rabbis laud conviction of Hasidic man on sexual abuse charges
The world’s largest group of Orthodox rabbis is lauding the process that led to the conviction of a Hasidic Jewish man on Monday (Dec. 10) on sexual abuse charges, and called on all segments of the Jewish community to cooperate with police in such cases.
Reuters: Britain offers church opt-outs in gay marriage plans
Britain outlined plans on Tuesday to allow gay marriage that have split Prime Minister David Cameron’s Conservatives and raised fears among religious groups they will be forced to hold same-sex weddings. However, Culture Secretary Maria made clear that under the proposals it would remain illegal for churches belonging to the Church of England to marry gay couples – an exclusion the established church itself requested. Other religious groups, such as Quakers and liberal Jewish groups, could choose to marry gays, but under the proposals no individual minister would be compelled to wed a same-sex couple.
The Chicago Tribune: 'The Nativity' heads to troubled Englewood
A noted African-American theater company is moving its popular show about the discovery of Jesus in a manger, staging it in the poor, violence-stricken Englewood neighborhood to illustrate how hope can be found in unexpected places.
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CNN: 'Choose Life' license plates ruled unconstitutional in North Carolina
A federal judge ruled that North Carolina's new "Choose Life" license plates are unconstitutional because the state does not offer a pro-choice alternative. "The State's offering a Choose Life license plate in the absence of a pro-choice alternative constitutes viewpoint discrimination in violation of the First Amendment," U.S. District Court Judge James Fox wrote in the ruling Friday. The ruling was praised by the American Civil Liberties Union, which had filed a lawsuit in 2011 to stop the specialty plates.
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Can we agree that the starting points of the particle jets arising from a massive black hole is from the outer edges of the event horizon and does spiral around to become a dual jetted stream at opposing angles over the center point of the hole's singularity?
Could these opposing angular jetted streams be like upside down tornados or upside down water being brained,,,?
I'm cool with that. Personally it would blow my mind if matter could escape from inside the event horizon. I will say I have enjoyed the mental excercise, hat's off to you for a spirited debate.
I do so thank you for being patient enough to read my posts which are yes, sometimes hard to read by normal folks who dare not to muddle thru my sometimes hard to understand wordage uses. It is me who should honor your time spent with my words!
Join us tomorrow for episode 3 on attributes of blackholes. Who likes time dialation? For now I have a date with my wife, and an unopened bottle of bourbon.
Scientists have unearthed the first direct signs of cheesemaking, at a site in Poland that dates back 7,500 years.
Human Evolution (1 of 2)
Can we start conversion therapy to convert religious people into normal thinking undeluded human beings?
Delusional is a term used quiet often to describe believers. I think if you consider the definition, nonbelievers fit it better.
If you check the definition of deluded, it is the firm belief in things for which there is no evidence. That's religion. Atheists believe the world is as you see it. That, by definition, cannot possibly be delusion.
Wow, most of those couples in the mass wedding ceremony look bored, don't they?
Lunchbreaker wrote on December 11, 2012 at 11:14 am, “I'm curious of anyone else's thoughts on the idea that the Big Bang is the inside of a black hole. Here is a quote from Brian Greene with a link tho the article below it. There’s a deep connection between black holes and the big bang. I mean after all, we think of a black hole as a region where a lot of mass is crushed to a very small size. We think of the big bang as a moment when the entire observable universe was crushed to a very small size. So they’re kind of the same in some deep mathematical sense, and as of today we don’t really know what happens at the center of a black hole and we don’t really know what happened at the moment of the big bang so these are two puzzles that are cousins of one another and anything that we learn about one is certainly going to shed light on the other."
lionlylamb wrote on December 11, 2012 at 1:41 pm, stating, “Black holes are found to be discharging elements at opposing angles, like sprung leaks of particle atomization being spewed nearing the speed of light. The normality of large black holes is found at every centrality of galaxies. Science is dwelling over the possibilities that every star has a centered core where a black hole could be found regulating said stars fusion ratios. Even planets may well be found having a black hole in their cores' centralities. Only the black holes' sizes and rates of gravimetric pulling inwardness their material wants and needs is where or rather what science has been fuming over. The size variations of black holes are dependent upon material matters volumes and likewise material volumes of matter is dependent upon a black hole's sizes whereby displacements of both issues contrive a spatial regularity.
Black holes are as cosmic vacuum cleaners. Some are clogged up forming planets and stars and moons and even galaxies. Though many black holes are still active and seen spewing (via opposing angles) atomized material, their years are numbered and will one day become like a clogged drainage no longer able to spew forth atomized material particles.”
Lunchbreaker wrote on December 11, 2012 at 2:18 pm, “Black holes discharge nothing. The appearance of particles radiating from the black hole is the result of particle-antiparticle pairs formed by vacuum fluctuation just outside the vent horizon.”
Lionlylamb wrote to luchbreaker on December 11, 2012 at 2:32 pm, “If what you infer as being a truth then, "Why in many photos of varying spatial places regarding black holes are there opposing streams shown spewing forth"? The "event horizons" of varyingly sized black holes are rudimentary in appearances found to be physical in their natures thusly being as the skin so to say of the black holes. No two holes are the same. No two holes spew out in sameness quantifications. No two black holes live out their life in the same measures. Your ideas of black holes seem flawed and should be rethought IMHO's.”
Lunchbreaker wrote on December 11, 2012 at 2:50 pm, “Not my Ideas, that would be Stephen Hawking's.”
Lionlylamb responded to lunchbreaker stating on December 11, 2012 at 3:11 pm, “Stephen Hawking. Does he not also suggest that multiple universes "habitate" or inhabit the same space? That is a flawed understanding. Though there are immeasurable amounts of universes within just one Cosmos, closer universes may well bump into opposing universes but seldom do they fully combine as a duality of combinative universalisms. In like fashions of an egg being fertilized by a sperm might not a universe enter into another cosmos of the celestial varieties? Therefore conjugational universalisms of the Cosmos kind are a rarity. The age of innumerably multiplied Cosmos seems to me to be dependent upon the physicality rates within cosmologic equilibriums in universalisms of finite dependencies giving births to evermore cosmologic universes and also multiple chasms of varying Cosmos plural.”
Lunchbreaker wrote on December 11, 2012 at 3:22 pm, “Lionylamb, until a scientific periodical will print ANYTHING that you write, I will treat Hawking's theories with higher regard than your posts on a blog. If you ever feel like engaging in a real debate try "plain" english. I know "plain" may be a bit boring for you, but I'm not going to waste time trying to interpret what you write.”
Lionlylamb responded to lunchbreaker, “I honestly thought your comments mindful and alluring. Your standing now upon sciences' stardom leavening such as scientific periodical has little weightiness to be so garnished in our conversations except as your denials for reasonably furthering one's relative agendas due an inferiority complex. Be a good person and leave to science dignitaries their data to ever be misconstrued and reformulated and r e c o n s t I t u t e d as the years float on by. Stephen Hawking is a wonder luster of rather lame altruisms whereby his life is given a sound reason for wanting to be a living debater of physics attentive to the disabled leavenings. Don't get me wrong for if it weren't for S.H. I would not understand things as I do know!”
Lunchbreaker wrote on December 11, 2012 at 5:15 pm,”Well LL, maybe we could try this again. You claim that Hawking's particle-antiparticle pairs arising from vacuum fluctuation is false. Exactly what is your explanation for how your "discharging elements at opposing angles" are generated. Perhaps you would even like to cite a source. I have to leave for today, but I will come back to check tomorrow. Happy evening All.
Lionlylamb writes, Anti-particles went off the deep end when antimatter died out. To suggest that anti-particles are a reference for black hole physics is a redundancy based upon antigens wavering abilities in quantum physicality’s unknowable as a phonon of excitabilities fantasia; due in part that ongoing reformulations of particle physics are ever changing.
I doubt highly that tomorrows science periodicals will show today’s quantum relative stances. Steven Hawking is a sound particle physicist for yesterday’s physics. Tomorrow’s physics will someday consider the cosmologic consistencies of ordered cosmologies being physics constant from the inner cosmos of particle physics to the outer cosmos of the celestially nurtured physics.
Within “major” black holes there may well be a gravimetric “regulative” consistency whereby atomic particles release “massive” energy “rates” via electron dispersal ratios giving rise to atoms flying apart at near light speeds from said release of electrons energy dispersal rates and not via ‘anti-particles’ as Steve Hawking suggests. The spatial aggregate of many “major” black holes dare deals with gravimetric “renditions” of such great values that electron dispersals of such massiveness energies “fluxions” being released becomes an amalgam of “energetic” propensities leveraged in uniformed timely released regularities common to most all “major” black holes gravimetric collusions.
Black holes might just seem likely to be at the central cores of all planetary and stellar objects. I say this due the gravimetric nuances of all major celestial objects though small when compared to galactic centered black holes yet nevertheless due gravimetric oscillations of black hole designations that dare seemingly to suggest that small to ever smaller black holes may well exist within celestial stars and planets and even moons.
You forgot one:
Interesting LL. Of course both of us are enganging in nothing but theory, considering no one has actually observed anything radiating from a black hole. But chew on this. Normally vacuum fluctuations can produce particle-antiparticle pairs, but they immediately annihilate each other, so we never see them. But if the pair forms on the event horizon, the antiparticle can be sucked into the black hole before the two can annihilate each other. Once again, just theory.
Sorry, let me clarify. Forgive the fact that I have not mastered your writing style yet. I thought you were implying that the black hole itself was emitting particles from inside the event horizon.
Now, discussing theoretical Hawking radiation was not the original intent of my post. The original intended question was "Could the Big Bang be the inside of a black hole?" Thoughts?
The average people will hardly ever come to terms regarding the particle physics of black holes. This vacuum you speak of exists in my mind as a gravimetric concept wherein not unlike a magnet a black hole of the major types pull with such veraciousness all matter within its gravimetric reach. Nearing the very core of such awesomely huge black holes therein resides a centrality where atoms collide with such force that they release many of their atoms' electrons resulting in a wave of energy giving rise to particle jets being emitted from the said black hole's core.
Stars themselves may well have a black hole lying deeply seeded within their core and likewise a planet and also moons. Our earth's black hole is so gravimetrically small it can only emit a weakened order of gravitation and likewise any moon. Such black holes in the stellar and planetary configurations have black holes of the weaker varieties unlike galactic centered black holes. I know I am repeating much of what I wrote but I feel that like learning to play any musical instrument one needs to practice, so, my repeating is a needed measure for one and all to come to terms regarding the terminologies vented.
The article link you posted was referring to matter from the acretion disc, not from the black hole itself.
Lionlylamb writes, If one is to contemplate the theories of “Cosmos (plural)” and its entire ranged field of celestial cosmologies, I would say that a steadied state of randomized inflation upon the intensities even flow rates out against even flows in sort of how one breathes for being my stance upon the creations of all Cosmos (plural) whereby immeasurable universes coalesce within each cosmos (singular) to fill up; said cosmos with congealed universes. The theories that nowadays exist in the sciences can hardly fathom the outward nature and sight of there being another dimension outside of our matted universal cosmos of immeasurable cosmos (plural) where resides a very huge world of such an outwardly dimensioned realm of extreme cosmic relativism. I can imagine it and so have many science fiction authors so alluded to.
"New observations from the Event Horizon Telescope (actually an array of four millimeter-wave telescopes working in concert) have revealed the best view so far of the supermassive black hole in the galaxy M87. As described in a Science paper, astronomers measured the motion of gas to a distance approximately 5.5 times the event horizon radius. That is close enough to confirm the gas circles in the same direction the black hole itself rotates. These observations help clarify the origin of the powerful jet of gas streaming from the galaxy’s center at a high fraction of the speed of light: it is likely driven by the swirling matter near the black hole’s boundary."
Make not Lunchbreaker that "Mathew Francis" wrote the above quote declaring that said 'jet of gas" was streaming from said galaxy's center and not from your position of the accretion disk.
Typo linchbreaker, Make "note" Lunchbreaker that "Mathew Francis" wrote the above quote declaring that said 'jet of gas" was streaming from said galaxy's center and not from your position of the accretion disk.
In thinking about particle and anti-particles, I can envision such a thing being possible at the central core of a black hole giving rise to said jet streams reaching near speed of light velocities. Such a cause regarding particle/anti-particle annihilation may well cause regular particles being the more abundant to be jetted out from a black hole's core.
Read more carefully, 2 other excerpts
"In particular, the event horizon—the boundary within which nothing can escape—is typically very small, so even our best telescopes have yet to measure one."
"The most likely model involves rapidly-orbiting gas known as an accretion disk, which funnels particles into a stream moving close to the speed of light—the beginning of the long jet seen in the picture of M87 above.
However, FOR THE BASE OF THE JET TO BE THAT CLOSE TO THE EVENT HORIZON, the accretion disk must be small, and that’s where we get back to frame-dragging.
He clearly states the jet originates outside of the event horizon, close, but outside.
" The EHT researchers found the base of the jet is too close in to the black hole to be driven by an accretion disk rotating in the opposite direction."
If the auther did intend to infer that the matter was emmitted from within the event horizon, he is inconsistant and this source should be thrown out. He states in this article and in his previous post that, "A black hole is defined by a boundary known as its event horizon. Anything that crosses that boundary cannot ever return to the outside Universe—and that “anything” includes light." I find it strange that he would infer the oppossite without making a HUGE deal about it. Notice he says "in to" not "into". "I walked in to the wall" means something different than "I walked into the wall".
12-12-12...Anyone got big plans? I will be performing a wedding ceremony this afternoon after wok. Haven't done one in a while. Hope I don't screw it up!
So..what shall we talk about today?
Can you some up what you believe with a movie quote? Give the quote and the movie, please.
This applies to fundamentalist idiots who purposefully choose to be ignorant – Dean Worker to Pinto in Animal House, "Son, fat, drunk, and stupid, is no way to go through life".
He said that to Flounder.
"Thank you sir, may I please have another", as Neidermeyer was paddling Kevin bacon's character, from the same movie, which is my favorite comedy of all time.
I don't have any big plans, but I do have an unopened bottle of bourbon at home.
Damn! Missed it by one Delta pledge!
Heading out for the annual family picture with Santa tonight...
As for quotes – I appreciate the brevity of this one:
"When a man cannot choose, he ceases to be a man."
– A Clockwork Orange
No plans today, but some of my family and friends are having an "End of the World" party next friday. If anyone wants to travel to Illinois you're more than welcome.
"Do, or do not. There is no is no try."
What bourbon? The wife and I are going to be opening up the Knob Creek tonight.
Huebert, it's a bottle of 86 proof Old Forrester my dad gave me, I've never had it myself. I'm a Wild Turkey 101 proof guy myself.
Though the world knew not, the people do not. Though the people do not, the visionaries dare not. Though the visionaries dare not, the prophets will not. Though the prophets will not, the pathetic can not. Though the pathetic can not, the joyous entail not. Though the joyous entail not, the meek will not do. Amen
It's quite cold in Rochester this morning. I am going to study scripture by the fire.
Which Rochester, Chick-a-dee?
I grew up in and around Rochester, NY. Lots of great memories. Glad I live on the other coast now though. Can't deal with that cold and snow anymore.
Rice paper makes excellent kindling.
Don't know who posted this. I've lived in quite a few different places but never upstate NY.
Hey Pope-a-Dope! Fuck Off!
To some degree, I agree with the calls to end religion, albeit for different reasons than most posters here. Religion is a great barrier. Many people are religious, but their hearts are far from God. Unbelievers know these people and see through their act. The behavior of the religious does more harm than good. Even the best believer is still just as human as you, they have the same nature and when they are led by the old nature they are as capable of the same behavior as any human.
Christianity is not a religion it is a relationship. The important thing is that you know Jesus. He came to redeem the world to God. He came for you. If he hasn’t already done so, he will bring you to the place where you have to make a decision.
Is he knocking on your hearts door, today? Open the door. Seek him while he may be found. Call on him while he is near. This is the drawing power. This is the holy spirit. This is the only way to God. There is no way to know how many times he will call for you, or how long he will deal with your heart. He dealt with me for a long time before I surrendered my will to his. I have found him to be all merciful and forgiving. Don’t reject him, don’t make excuses and put him off, he may never come your way again.
He dealt with me for a long time before I surrendered my will to his.
You do realize that "He" is your conscience? You dealt with your conscience for a long time before you surrendered to your imaginary friend. Perhaps if you try really hard to believe and combined with the support of others, you just might begin to believe that there is an invisible panda bear that lives under your bed. He watches over you while you sleep. He is a jealous panda, so don't do something crazy and start believing in the invisible giraffe.
Call it religion, Christianity, or Conscience....The reason that people hate what it stands for is because of the actions of imperfect people – which we all are. I have yet to meet an atheist, etc, that does not have the "I remember when a Christian/church/religion did ....... to me/others/the world". In the end, the are always going to be horrible people that claim religion in an effort to get what they want, or just get noted.
You know, a lot of the time I buzz around thinking that there are many ways to seek God and that all have some merit although only one is the way He told us to do it. Then, I bump into someone like our pal, Roger, and it all goes down the tubes along with any goodwill towards men that I may have mustered. Intellectually, I know that tolerance, to some degree, is a good thing. Dealing with jack-offs kindles a fond fantasy of the old west...where if there's no body, there's no crime.
Roger makes an argument against your imaginary friend, and your mind goes to murder fantasies. How christian of you.
It is true that everyone has a conscience. It tells us things like, as long as I am not hurting anyone else, then it is ok. Worldly morality stems from the conscience of the flesh. Do no harm. Help some others. You can be the best person in the world and still have no idea what I am talking about. A do gooder can be as far from God as you seem to be.
I honestly believe, if you haven’t already, you will get your opportunity to make the most important choice of your life. What you think of as your conscience will not in any way compare to when God calls for you.
How do you read, over?
Do you believe that your personal experience of being called by God is qualitatively different than those experienced by people of other religions and their gods?
I do love those unanswerable questions. I have no way of knowing what anyone else has experienced. The case could be made that Jews, Muslims, and Christians are all worshiping the same God, with one group telling the others that they are deceived. The only way to God for me is through Jesus. The bible is very clear that God is not done with the children of Israel and he promised to bless the children of Ishmael. I believe there is one God (the God of Abraham) and experiences outside of him are deceptions by the devil. There are several examples in the bible of these other gods having power to do things. The fallen angel and his followers are loose in the world and they have power over those who are not under Gods protection.
I'm not so much talking about other Abrahamics, but pagan religions that pre-date the Abrahamics (and still exist today).
There are many cultures all over the globe and all throughout history where shamans enter ecstatic states that allow them to commune with god(s) and/or speak with the dead.
I believe they get their power from the devil. See, 1 Samuel 28 and then what happened in 1 Samuel 31.
You asshats leave me out of this, I had nothing to do with it.
Sorry for being such a cranky beeeeeeeee yotch this morning. I shouldn't take it out on other people. Although Huebert, you're actually in the same club as ol' Rodg – people who should be tattooed for early identification and avoidance.
Aw, Huebert, I do believe Chick is mad at you for calling her out.
I believe they get their power from the devil. See, 1 Samuel 28 and then what happened in 1 Samuel 31."
RB, With all due respect, can you not see why there is so much divisiveness and war in the world today because of religious thinking precisely like this??
I'm sure they think the same way about your God...
Who is right?
Isn't your dismissal of their beliefs exactly the same as when others dismiss yours?
I do believe there is a lot to be said for communing with God the Shaman way. I'm dead serious.
Good morning folks. Don't forget to give.
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