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Christmas exposes atheist divide on dealing with religion
December 20th, 2012
06:00 AM ET

Christmas exposes atheist divide on dealing with religion

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) – The Christmas season is revealing a growing rift among American atheists when it comes to the question of how to deal with religion.

Some atheist activists are trying to seize the holidays as a time to build bridges with faith groups, while other active unbelievers increasingly see Christmas as a central front in the war on religious faith. With the dramatic growth of the nonreligious in the last few decades, more atheist leaders are emerging as spokespeople for atheism, but the Christmas rift speaks to growing disagreement over how atheists should treat religion.

On the religion-bashing side, there’s David Silverman, president of the group American Atheists, which raised one of its provocative trademark billboards in New York’s Times Square last week. “Keep the MERRY!” it says. “Dump the MYTH!”
The sign features a picture of a jolly Santa Clause and another of Jesus dying on the cross – a not-so-subtle attack on Christianity.

“Christianity stole Christmas in the first place and they don’t own the season, they don’t own the Christmas season,” Silverman said, pointing to pagan winter solstice celebrations that predated Jesus Christ. “When they say keep Christ in Christmas, they are actually saying put Christ back in Christmas.”

The New York billboard, which will be up until early January and is costing the group at least $25,000, is the latest in a long line of provocative American Atheists signs, which attacked then-Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney’s religion during this year’s presidential campaign.

It’s not the only way Silverman is using Christmas to attack Christianity. In a recent TV interview with Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly, he said the American Atheist office be open on Christmas Day and called for an end to Christmas as a federal holiday.

O’Reilly, in turn, called Silverman a fascist.

Despite Silverman’s knack for making headlines, however, other prominent atheists are putting a softer face on the movement, including during Christmastime.

“I just think the whole war on Christmas story is bizarre” said Greg Epstein, the Humanist Chaplain at Harvard University, who has emerged as another spokesman for the burgeoning atheist movement. “I think that any atheist or humanist that is participating in that story needs to find better things to do with their time.”

From his point of view, atheism and religion can happily coexist, including at the holidays.

At the chaplaincy, Epstein has reached out to local religious groups, packaging holiday meals and breaking bread with believers to discuss their similarities and differences.

Sponsored by the Humanist Community at Harvard, evangelical Christians, Jews, Buddhists and Zoroastrians, along with a number of atheists, were among those represented at a recent meal packaging event for hungry kids in the Boston area. Around 250 people participated and over $10,000 was raised – including donations from local Lutheran and Methodist churches.
Epstein calls this sort of inter-religious dialogue “healthy.”

“We as a community need to be about the positive and we have so much positive to offer,” he said. “I think that we really can provide a positive alternative to religious holidays that are not meaningful because of their religious content.”
Silverman, for his part, is more than comfortable being negative when it comes to religion.

“We should look at the results - people are listening to us because we are shouting,” he said. “They don’t hear you unless you shout. … Sometimes you have to put political correctness aside. We need to get louder. I believe we are seeing the fruits of that volume.”

As proof, American Atheists points to the way their donations skyrocket after every billboard campaign. “We get donations and memberships because we are taking the stand that we do,” said Silverman, who would not give specific numbers on fundraising. “The donations are flowing in right now. People are loving it specifically because of the billboard.”

Epstein would rather see more emphasis on volunteerism, though he acknowledges that some atheists are drawn to Silverman’s vocal model. Both men said they appeal to different parts of the atheist movement.

“We are GOP and Dem, man and women, black and white – the only thing that holds us together is atheism,” Silverman said. “A movement like ours needs all sides. It needs people who are working to be conciliatory and it needs people who are willing to raise their voices.”

Religious “nones” – a combination of atheists, agnostics and the religiously unaffiliated, have been growing their ranks in recent years. According to a Pew Research study released this year, the fastest growing "religious" group in America is made up of people with no religion at all as one in five Americans is not affiliated with any religion.

The survey found that the unaffiliated are growing even faster among younger Americans. According to the poll, 34% of “younger millennials” - those born between 1990 and 1994 - are religiously unaffiliated.

Though not monolithic, younger atheists, according to Jesse Galef, communications director of the Secular Student Alliance, are more prone to celebrate a secular version of Christmas than to ignore the holiday.

“I am very much in favor of celebrating the secular Christmas,” Galef said. “It is a celebration of the spirit of giving and I think religious divisiveness goes against that effort.”

Other atheists celebrate Festivus, a December 23 holiday meant for atheists looking to celebrate during the winter without participating in a Christian holiday. The holiday, which entered into popular culture through the television show “Seinfeld” in 1997, has gained popularity in recent years.

At the Secular Student Alliance office in Columbus, Ohio, the staff will play Secret Sagan, a nod to the famed scientist, instead of Secret Santa. And instead of Christmas decorations, they put up a Winter Solstice Tree with ornaments from the movie “When the Grinch Stole Christmas.”

“We celebrate the holiday season, just not the religious holiday,” Galef said.

- Dan Merica

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  1. JonathanL

    What do you expect? As as Atheist I do not define myself based on something I don't believe or can't logically believe (logic and faith are like a bickering old couple who stays together only because they like having someone around they can fight with). It, 'Atheist', is really someone else's definition, a label. Do you, for example, feel it is a cause to go around trying to convince the 120 or so million adult Americans who believe that the sun goes around (orbits) the earth that the opposite is true? The only thing we Atheists really have in common ideologically is this one thing we do not believe is true. That doesn't imply that we agree on all other things, or any other thing, in both terms of what we believe and what we don't believe. I don't feel it is a cause to go around and try to convert everybody to think the same as I do. It would be boring if everybody thought the same, believed in or disbelieved in all the same things.

    December 20, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      If most of the population believed that the sun revolved around the earth AND wanted to base laws and living on that misconception, I most certainly would challenge them at every turn. It's not the belief itself that's the problem, it's the superiority complex that goes along with it and the feeling that any conflicting ideas have no business even being discussed.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • lol??

      "JonathanL says,
      What do you expect? As as Atheist I do not define myself based..........." You should have a meeting with kweer atheists.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
  2. Noah Cat

    There is a new trend of atheism and we must all work together to make sure it disappears.

    Sincerely, an agnostic.

    December 20, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      What the fvck are you even talking about?

      By the way, if you're an agnostic then you are almost certainly also an atheists. An agnostic does not claim to have spiritual knowledge, and so most agnostics also do not believe in any gods. Gnostics, or people who claim to have spiritual knowledge, usually believe in something spiritual since they claim to have knowledge of he spirit. You can be a man without having te st icals, but most people who have te st ticals are men.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
  3. Dina

    Good day to all rememeber we are not in this life for peace!!!! God Bless you all !

    December 20, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
  4. Atheists Extremists

    As a non-believer, you ain't takin' my CHRISTMASS!

    There.

    What business is it of my fellow non-believers, the extremist kind, to tell me what to or not to believe in?

    Everytime I see one of those "myth" billboards or hear, see atheists talk down to others it really, really bothers me.

    Along with this new kind of internet fueled anti-religious fervor has come an arrogance.

    Hey, I don't like certain religions and their violent ignorant ways, its all archaic, BUT, don't mess with my Baby Jesusss or Santa or my CHRIST-mass tree you wacko fellow atheist!

    December 20, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      You're confusing "promote" with "demand." The billboard is promoting a certain perspective, not demanding you do anything at all.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
  5. Dina

    @attack of the 50 foot whatever you are lol..... God Loves you dear !!! Only one God , the father, the son and the holy spirit. well I guess youll have to ask the rest of them when you meet them since you've decided heaven is not for you.. God Bless

    December 20, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • Kevin

      Who decided your god was real and the other gods were not, like the gods of the Egyptians, Mayans, American Indians, etc. Christians are very conceited when it comes to this idea. You haven't introduced anything new, and just like past religions, yours will prove to be false just as well.

      There are those of us that don't cringe when me face the fact that there isn't a reward for being good people in life or a punishment if we aren't, we chose to be honest people because it's the right thing to do.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • TAK

      "Only one God , the father, the son and the holy spirit."

      Wait a second. You say ONE but then you go on to list THREE...

      December 20, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT

      Get help Dina
      .
      (1) Hallucinations – the person has invisible friends who (s)he insists are real, and to whom (s)he speaks daily, even though nobody can actually see or hear
      these friends.

      (2) Delusions – the patient believes that the invisible friends have magical powers to make them rich, cure cancer, bring about world peace, and will do so eventually if asked.

      (3) Denial/Inability to learn – though the requests for world peace remain unanswered, even after hundreds of years, the patients persist with the praying behaviour, each time expecting different results.

      (4) Inability to distinguish fantasy from reality – the beliefs are contingent upon ancient mythology being accepted as historical fact.

      (5) Paranoia – the belief that anyone who does not share their supernatural concept of reality is "evil," "the devil," "an agent of Satan".

      (6) Emotional abuse – ­ religious concepts such as sin, hell, cause feelings of guilt, shame, fear, and other types of emotional "baggage" which can scar the
      psyche for life.

      December 20, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
  6. TAK

    It was solstice first. Celestial Mechanics, the real reason for the season. Literally.

    December 20, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
  7. DC

    Come tomorrow, it really doesn't matter does it? LOL

    December 20, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
  8. The Truth

    Atheists are the whistle-blowers of Corporate religion. If no one steps forward to call out the bullshlt when they see it, bullshlt becomes the status quo.

    December 20, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • lol??

      Well get the stinkin' Beast gubmint out of em and press for unincorporation.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • Bill

      Do you believe the world would be better if there was no religion?

      December 20, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • The Truth

      I believe the world would be a better place if everyone kept their religion out of their politics, out of their public schools and out of secular society. Keep it at home, practice it all you want in your heart, but when it comes to voting for prayer in public school, or more military funding of Israel, make that vote with everyone in mind, not just your narrow religious world view. We do not need people who have extreme beliefs about Armegedon and the end of the world to have their fingers on any red buttons as it were. I think faith can play a very important role in peoples lives, but it should be tempered with reason, so that when science makes a discovery that challenges that faith you can adapt and accept that your prior held faith may have been flawed. That is all I ask of the religious.

      December 20, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT

      Bill

      Do you believe the world would be better if there was no religion?
      .
      Reality is what it is...it is not about "better" or "feel good". The human race started off on the worng foot to begin with. The only way it "would be better without religion" would be if most of the human race was wiped out and we "rebooted" persey. Religion is more like Stage 4 cancer for the human race. We have to ride it out and see if we can survive the 3rd world countries gettign nukes and the US becoming less religious. I dont see that in the cards so we might be starting over in a more dramtic nuke way. If some of us survive, let us hope it is the logical and sound mind bunch.

      December 20, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
  9. Bill

    I like to call this new movement atheist fundamentalism. So strong are their beliefs in "non-belief" they feel they must convince everyone around them, even insult others, to get their point across. The thing I do not understand is that if one does not believe, why would they care what others do? I have heard some atheists state that they are taking action because they feel they are descriminated against or people judge them if they mention they do not believe in a higher power....really? This is ridiculous. They just sound like they are very angry. I really do not care about what, but just tone down your rhetoric. I say the same to people who have religious faiths and think they need to convert everyone. Stop pushing your ideas on others...not interested in what you believe!!!

    December 20, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT

      (1) Hallucinations – the person has invisible friends who (s)he insists are real, and to whom (s)he speaks daily, even though nobody can actually see or hear
      these friends.

      (2) Delusions – the patient believes that the invisible friends have magical powers to make them rich, cure cancer, bring about world peace, and will do so eventually if asked.

      (3) Denial/Inability to learn – though the requests for world peace remain unanswered, even after hundreds of years, the patients persist with the praying behaviour, each time expecting different results.

      (4) Inability to distinguish fantasy from reality – the beliefs are contingent upon ancient mythology being accepted as historical fact.

      (5) Paranoia – the belief that anyone who does not share their supernatural concept of reality is "evil," "the devil," "an agent of Satan".

      December 20, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • DC

      Good point Bill. It's posts like this that remind me the majority of America is still populated by sound and reasonable individuals. Happy Holidays!

      December 20, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • Athy

      Actually, Bill, we don't really care what you believe. We just don't want religion to influence our laws or our children. It's as simple as that.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT

      Athy

      Actually, Bill, we don't really care what you believe. We just don't want religion to influence our laws or our children. It's as simple as that.
      .
      Bingo...keep your delusions to yourself and dont impose is upon others who do not believe in your sky wizard.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • The Truth

      You inject your religion in almost every corner of society and you have the balls to say "Hey guys, tone down the rhetoric..."
      You ask us why we have the need to "convince everyone around them" of our ideology and yet you stamp your allegiance to a non-existent deity on every coin and print it on every single dollar I have ever held in my hand since childhood? Talk about hypocrisy. You Bill, and many of you with the same mindset, are the reason we must speak up. We will shout it in your face until you open your eyes and accept what you have been doing to everyone else in our religiously "free" nation. You have taken that to mean freedom to stomp your religious foot on everything from prayer in schools to ten commandments on our courthouses and a virtual litmus test of faith to hold any elected position for centuries. And we are here to tell you that your bitter grasp on this nation has come to an end, and yes, i'm sure that truth stings a bit, but you'll get over it Bill, and you will then just continue your faith in the privacy of your own home as atheists have always done.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • Atheism is a form of character illness- FACT

      (1) Hallucinations – the person has issues with others whom he has/she has no business trying to change friends who (s)he insists are real, and to whom (s)he speaks daily, even though nobody can actually see or hear these friends.

      (2) Delusions – the patient believes that they are superior to other religious people and possess DELUSIONS of GRANDEUR to bring about world peace, and will do so eventually if asked, will expose their arrogance and superiority complex.

      (3) Denial/Inability to learn – though the requests for world peace remain unanswered, even after hundreds of years, the patients persist with NO SOLUTIONS of their own, each time expecting different results as a result of their divisive, intolerable, non-live and let live ways.

      (4) Inability to distinguish minding your own business from telling others what they believe is in wrong – the beliefs are contingent upon THINKING they can change people on the spot by insulting them, their intelligence and making them feel foolish.

      (5) Paranoia – the belief that anyone who does not share their atheist concept of reality is "evil," "the devil," "an agent of Satan" without really admitting it as such.

      - Fellow Atheist who's getting tired of the arrogance and evil divisive ways of extreme atheists whom think they are the spokespersons for all non-believers.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • Bill

      @Athy: As I stated above, I am writing about atheists who are pushing their "non-belief" on others. The sign above is a perfect example. As for your children, I am pretty sure you will be able to influence them yourself. Since religions teach morality, I think the mixture of morality/ethics and laws are not a bad thing. It is the idea of hurting others is wrong, which I think both atheists and religious can agree on. Other than that, I am not sure which "religiously" inspired laws you refer to. U.S. law is pretty practical.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • Bill

      @The truth: Your tirade has just proven my point. You are VERY angry. Truth, if you removed religion from the world, people will find another reason to kill each other. There is a long history of fanatics that murdered for beliefs other than religion.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • The Truth

      Bill, you completely missed the point. Open your eyes, see how hypocritical it sounds for you to complain about anyone else putting up a banner or blog post that differs from your personal philosophy. We are surrounded by two plus months of religiously themed music, advertisements, decorations and TV shows and yet we still have complaints from the Christian right about a "War on Christmas". It boggles the mind that you are so blind as to not be aware of this. I am not angry, I am just very sad that there are still so many like you out there who can't understand that you have been shltting in our yards and in our ears for half a century and you just look us in the eye and say "Whats the matter? We've always shat here."

      December 20, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT

      "We are surrounded by two plus months of religiously themed music, advertisements, decorations and TV shows and yet we still have complaints from the Christian right about a "War on Christmas"."
      .
      November to January is a time of pain and torture for some. Take christ out of christmas and just leave us with the pagan tree...at lease the tree smells nice...and not rotten flesh on a cross.

      December 20, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • Bill

      @The Truth: Here is where you miss the point. Are you so naive as to believe that this is not an attack on Christian beliefs, rather than promoting atheism (which I again still find it ridiculous to promote something as "non-belief")? Placing a board during an important religiouis holiday is just being provocative, and will actually have the opposite effect of what you state is intended. I know that there are many obnoxious people who feel they must push their religion, but acquiring the same technique in reverse is just as bad.

      December 20, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • craniumthedumb

      @Mental Illness

      You have no valid argument here. Every argument is based in the assumption there is no God. Since that is not provable, all of your arguments are invalid.

      December 20, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT

      craniumthedumb

      @Mental Illness

      You have no valid argument here. Every argument is based in the assumption there is no God. Since that is not provable, all of your arguments are invalid.
      -
      Then we have no valid argument to hold people in mental wards ...free them all...no one has a valid argument being that we are as suming what they see, hear and talk to is not real.
      .

      December 20, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • The Truth

      "Are you so naive as to believe that this is not an attack on Christian beliefs, rather than promoting atheism (which I again still find it ridiculous to promote something as "non-belief")?"

      I believe it is an attack on the status quo and the status quo happens to be that of Christianity here in America because of the extreme indoctrination we have experienced as a nation for the last two hundred years. And much like previous status quo's like the ban on interracial marriage or the belief that blacks should only be counted as 3/5ths of a human or women being kept in the kitchens without any vote at all, which were all torn down by those of us who do not accept the way things are, and continue to fight for the way things ought to be. Shame on you for being a roadblock to progress, reason and truth.

      When a child is presented with a Christmas tree and a Menorah and they are told one religion believes Christ came and gave his life to wash away all our sins and the other religion is still waiting for the messiah to come, and that child ask's "Well which one is true?" How do you respond? With a reasoned response that both are valid religions and we just don't know for sure whether these or any religion can claim a monopoly on truth? Or do you, like so many of your fellow Christians immediately proclaim that Jesus is the only savior and that there is no other truth? You are just angry because you feel that presenting children with multiple choices of belief attacks your monopoly on faith that Christians have enjoyed in the country for centuries. All I am here to tell you is, it aint gonna go away so get used to it, your time in the sun is over and you are jnow ust one of the many faiths that make up the melting pot of America.

      December 20, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • krhodes

      Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT
      Now how exactly is Christianity or any religious belief a mental illness?

      December 20, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
    • Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT

      krhodes

      Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT
      Now how exactly is Christianity or any religious belief a mental illness?
      --
      .
      read and look a little closer...I pretty much outline it.

      December 20, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
    • The Life of 3.14

      "(1) Hallucinations – the person has invisible friends who (s)he insists are real, and to whom (s)he speaks daily, even though nobody can actually see or hear
      these friends."

      Except this is accurate at all. The writer ignores the fact that rational people realize that their faith is just that...faith. They know they their are those who would not believe. One with hallucinations does not have this ability. Fail.

      "(2) Delusions – the patient believes that the invisible friends have magical powers to make them rich, cure cancer, bring about world peace, and will do so eventually if asked."

      Mm....nope. Another fail. Not all (probably not even a significant %) believes in this. Fail.

      "(3) Denial/Inability to learn – though the requests for world peace remain unanswered, even after hundreds of years, the patients persist with the praying behaviour, each time expecting different results."

      Guess the writer ignores such ent ties like the Salvation Army that were created by those of a faith that want to actively change the world for the better. Fail number three.

      "(4) Inability to distinguish fantasy from reality – the beliefs are contingent upon ancient mythology being accepted as historical fact."

      My gosh..another fail. While most people of faith realize that the supernatural aspects of their faith may not be proven, only a fool would imply that such belief wipes out any historical possibilities within the faith.

      "(5) Paranoia – the belief that anyone who does not share their supernatural concept of reality is "evil," "the devil," "an agent of Satan"."

      5 fails in a row. This makes about as much sense as saying that just because one has faith that they have a mnetal illness. Illogical and foolish.

      December 20, 2012 at 6:28 pm |
    • krhodes

      Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT

      "(1) Hallucinations – the person has invisible friends who (s)he insists are real, and to whom (s)he speaks daily, even though nobody can actually see or hear
      these friends."

      Is that descriptive of Christianity? I myself and no one i know has heard God audibly speak. You made a false analogy.

      "(2) Delusions – the patient believes that the invisible friends have magical powers to make them rich, cure cancer, bring about world peace, and will do so eventually if asked."

      I don't think God has magical powers? I think he could and has probably done those things...of course you really cannot say he cannot or does not.

      "(3) Denial/Inability to learn – though the requests for world peace remain unanswered, even after hundreds of years, the patients persist with the praying behaviour, each time expecting different results."

      Realily has no bearing on the idea someone might have a mental illness.

      "(4) Inability to distinguish fantasy from reality – the beliefs are contingent upon ancient mythology being accepted as historical fact."

      Now since you made the claim...prerhaps you would care to prove it is a myth? And yes...the Bible does contain historical fact.

      "(5) Paranoia – the belief that anyone who does not share their supernatural concept of reality is "evil," "the devil," "an agent of Satan"."

      I certainly don't believe that and do not know anyone who does...perhaps you could prove that?

      December 20, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
    • krhodes

      Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT

      Now doesn't Richard Dawkins believe or has stated in the past that religious belief is somehow wired into our brains? If that is the case and given the vast majority of humanity recognizes a God...wouldn't that mean the atheist is the one with the mental deficiency?

      December 20, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
  10. Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT

    (1) Hallucinations – the person has invisible friends who (s)he insists are real, and to whom (s)he speaks daily, even though nobody can actually see or hear
    these friends.

    (2) Delusions – the patient believes that the invisible friends have magical powers to make them rich, cure cancer, bring about world peace, and will do so eventually if asked.

    (3) Denial/Inability to learn – though the requests for world peace remain unanswered, even after hundreds of years, the patients persist with the praying behaviour, each time expecting different results.

    (4) Inability to distinguish fantasy from reality – the beliefs are contingent upon ancient mythology being accepted as historical fact.

    (5) Paranoia – the belief that anyone who does not share their supernatural concept of reality is "evil," "the devil," "an agent of Satan".

    December 20, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • The Life of 3.14

      You obviously haven't dealt with anyone with mental illness or wouldn't be so cruel and cra ss to comapre those that have accepted a faith to those with mental illness.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT

      What is the difference between someone who thinks Zeus is real and talks to them vs a christian god???? Or compare to a person who is an adult and thinks santa is real and talks to him? Or a christian who thinks god talked to them and told them to kill their children???????

      December 20, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • Atheism is a form of character illness- FACT

      (1) Hallucinations – the person has issues with others whom he has/she has no business trying to change friends who (s)he insists are real, and to whom (s)he speaks daily, even though nobody can actually see or hear these friends.

      (2) Delusions – the patient believes that they are superior to other religious people and possess DELUSIONS of GRANDEUR to bring about world peace, and will do so eventually if asked, will expose their arrogance and superiority complex.

      (3) Denial/Inability to learn – though the requests for world peace remain unanswered, even after hundreds of years, the patients persist with NO SOLUTIONS of their own, each time expecting different results as a result of their divisive, intolerable, non-live and let live ways.

      (4) Inability to distinguish minding your own business from telling others what they believe is in wrong – the beliefs are contingent upon THINKING they can change people on the spot by insulting them, their intelligence and making them feel foolish.

      (5) Paranoia – the belief that anyone who does not share their atheist concept of reality is "evil," "the devil," "an agent of Satan" without really admitting it as such.

      - Fellow Atheist who's getting tired of the arrogance and evil divisive ways of extreme atheists whom think they are the spokespersons for all non-believers.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      @ atheism is poser

      1. What "friends?" Are you really claiming that carrying on a conversation with another person over the internet isn't sensible?

      2. I don't know of any atheists who feel this way or think that they can bring about world peace or any such nonsense.

      3. Atheists don't claim to have such answers.

      4. People debate on ideas which are debatable. You christians witness; we atheists get to talk back on the internets.

      5. Bullsh!t retardedness.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • craniumthedumb

      @Mental Illness

      You have no valid argument here. Every argument is based in the assumption there is no God. Since that is not provable, all of your arguments are invalid.

      December 20, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT

      craniumthedumb

      @Mental Illness

      You have no valid argument here. Every argument is based in the assumption there is no God. Since that is not provable, all of your arguments are invalid.
      -
      Then we have no valid argument to hold people in mental wards ...free them all...no one has a valid argument being that we are as suming what they see, hear and talk to is not real.

      December 20, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
    • The Life of 3.14

      @Ciafmi-FACT "What is the difference between someone who thinks Zeus is real and talks to them vs a christian god????"

      Don't anyone that does so kind of hard to answer.

      "Or compare to a person who is an adult and thinks santa is real and talks to him?"

      Don't anyone that does. Are all your arguments "what ifs"?

      Part of what you seem to be lacking is the understanding of where rational thought comes into play. Most Christians realize that there will be those that do not believe in what they believe. Most people of faith understand that their belief is based on the concept of faith.
      Many who have "mental illness" (very va gue choice of terms on your part) do not have the capablility of thinking in rational terms. What they think is real...IS REAL and there is no debate about it in anyway. There are athiests that could also fall into this category. There are those of a faith (and unfaith? lol) that do behave in this manner...most do not and only a idiot would lump all people of a faith into such groups.

      December 20, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • craniumthedumb

      @mental illness

      By that argument you are insinuating that you have the right and authority to dictate who is or is not mentally ill. How did you get that power (kinda a neat superpower actually)?

      If you are stating your opinion, make that clear, don't provide lists and "evidence" to prove something that is not provable or that assigns supernatural power to yourself.

      December 20, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT

      Because you do not know anybody that still believes in Zeus has no bearing on the subject. A person can believe as they wish in their world of reality. I was just applying craniums logic. People heard god talk to them in the OT as well as people hear other gods talk them back then. People hear the same gods talk to them now. Sometimes these gods tell their followers to conduct horrific acts. Who are you or me to judge them and say their faith and god is not real??????????? The mythical beings of past used to be part of an active religion at one time. What I find interesting is mythical believers do not apply the same scrutiny of "other" false gods to their own. Mythical believers are people who havent grown up yet...they dont beliee in santa but still believe in a magical god. ***crosseyed***

      December 20, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
    • Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT

      craniumthedumb

      @mental illness

      By that argument you are insinuating that you have the right and authority to dictate who is or is not mentally ill. How did you get that power (kinda a neat superpower actually)?

      If you are stating your opinion, make that clear, don't provide lists and "evidence" to prove something that is not provable or that assigns supernatural power to yourself.

      Prove my words wrong...my god dictates and defines mentally ill...and I speak on his behalf. Shall we keep dancing in a circle of our own justification? Dont even get me started on fairies and unicorns.

      December 20, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • The Life of 3.14

      "Because you do not know anybody that still believes in Zeus has no bearing on the subject."

      It does a little when you want me to make a comment on someone I don't know.

      "Who are you or me to judge them and say their faith and god is not real???????????"

      I've never judged them on the faith of their religion. I do however judge them on the actions they perform in society.

      "What I find interesting is mythical believers do not apply the same scrutiny of "other" false gods to their own."

      Then perhaps you need to broaden your base. There are those that question and examine their faith.

      "Mythical believers are people who havent grown up yet...they dont beliee in santa but still believe in a magical god. ***crosseyed***"

      Bluntly put...you are a jerk. Just saying that based on the above comment. I could say that people that don't respect the fact that there are those who believe differently than they do haven't grown up yet. You would fit in that group.

      December 20, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
    • craniumthedumb

      @mental illness

      The argument you present is...

      my god dictates and defines mentally ill...and I speak on his behalf.

      There is no empirical evidence that God exists. That makes the rest of the argument invalid (even though you exhibit another fallacy when you state you speak on His behalf).

      Yes I am a Christian and I am saying there is no way to empirically prove God exists. The problem for you, however, is that there is no empirical way to prove He doesn't exist. This means if you assume in any argument that he doesn't exist, you are assuming something that isn't provable, which makes it invalid.

      December 20, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
    • Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT

      craniumthedumb

      The problem for you, however, is that there is no empirical way to prove He doesn't exist. This means if you assume in any argument that he doesn't exist, you are assuming something that isn't provable, which makes it invalid.

      .
      And again apply your logic equally across the board to all things. If it was a problem for me then I would have problems ranging from sky wizards answering thoughts in our heads to genies granting 3 wishes.No problems here, I as sure you no problems here. New religions pop up...dead ones end up in mythology books. End of days now for 2000 years. Do you think Christianity will still be running strong in another 2000 years going on 4000 years of he is coming back since the fool died on a cross for being delusional? Oh wait you like the rest for the last 2000 years think it is any day so another 2000 years of no return could not possibly happen. *rolling and crossing eyes* You are free to self imposing your mental illness on yourself..just dont impose on the rest of us.

      December 20, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
    • craniumthedumb

      @mental illness

      I'm not certain what you are attempting to argue at all. You make little to no sense.

      December 20, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
  11. adam

    we do not know why we are here and where we came from but all we can do is believe in something. Wouldnt you want to hope for better? I don't want to look at this life as the end, how sad and depressing. I'd rather die and dissapear from this life than for me to believe that this is all i lived for and nothing better. All I can say is I DONT KNOW but I BELIEVE. And to Atheist people WHAT DO YOU KNOW more than me I just admitted that I DONT KNOW. But to ruin someones beliefs and hopes is wrong weather you believe in God or Whatever. WE as HUMANS do NOT know but there is HOPE. DONT TAKE THAT FROM THE REST OF US WHO BELIEVE IN SOMETHING BETTER

    December 20, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Attack of the 50 Foot Magical Underwear

      Adam, you are free to hope for whatever you want, and believe whatever you want. Hey – if it makes you happy, then knock your socks off. But don't try to bring those hopes and beliefs into the Government and the laws of the land. And understand that, to many people, belief in a god is as delusional as a belief in Santa Claus, so be prepared to have people comment negatively on your beliefs.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • Peace Lily

      Have you ever "seen" a solar flare? Have you ever "seen" the stars beyond what your eyes can see alone without help? Have you ever physically "seen" 10 billion dollars? Have you ever physically "seen" your heart, your lungs, your pancreas, your nerves, or even the tiniest molecule that makes up your body? I know the answer to that. Just like the rest of us, you have to "believe" these things exist because science told us so. It doesn't matter where a person's faith comes from and it doesn't mean that the faithful are somehow stupid or disillusioned. What I know is in my heart and just as tangible as any of the things I mentioned in the beginning. My faith is not comprised of what "man" has decided my faith is. It is something I feel. I do not fall victim to a lot of the misconceptions that a lot of faiths do because I am rational and do understand that anything that man has interpreted can be fallible. But the basics of faith, the faith of a higher power, is born inside me and it is real. I am highly educated and had a very lucrative career in technology. So I resent the fact that people somehow think I am stupid for believing something I can't see...if that's the case, we have a whole planet of stupid.

      December 20, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • Peace Lily

      Meant for the underwear guy, by the way. Sorry I didn't qualify it.

      December 20, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
  12. Eric

    For those of use who have watched the changes in the last 20-40 years one thing is clear – the non-religious have turned the corner and we're at the tipping point. Within another generation Christianity and other religious nonscence will be a minority in this country – thank God!

    December 20, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Athy

      Thank god??

      December 20, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • Know What

      Did you ever hear of irony as humor, Athy?

      December 20, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • Athy

      Of course. And I can spell "nonsense" right too.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • lol??

      Doesn't matter. The religious can't practice anymore anyway. The gubmint is the god of everything in americult.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
  13. Dan

    “We get donations and memberships because we are taking the stand that we do,” said Silverman, who would not give specific numbers on fundraising. “The donations are flowing in right now. People are loving it specifically because of the billboard.”

    Bingo. It's a business.

    December 20, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Who cares?

      December 20, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • Atheist Hypocrisy

      I do. Because their hypocrisy is very apparent. And this coming from a non-believer like myself.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      How is it hypocrisy? Churches are business that make money, yet technically they "aren't." Same thing here. You do realize that Silverman and AA was told for years by christians that they should be killed in the streets and suffer eternally and at best, be considered as less-than-animals by the US governement and its laws? You do realize what christians have done to Silverman in the past, don't you?

      December 20, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
  14. ReligionIsBS

    I find it extremely funny that there are christians on here that dont know that christmas was a holiday stolen from the pagans. If you guys seriously dont know that, and arent just trying to cover up for your religion, please do yourself a favor and do some research on saturnalia, winter solstice and yule. SUPRISE!!!!

    December 20, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • The Life of 3.14

      I find it funny that you believe that being similiar means evidence.
      Guess you think auks and penguins are also related.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      Im sorry, are you insinuating that the christmas tree is not a direct rip off of a saturnalia tree? Do you think the winter solstice didnt exist on Dec 25th before x-mas? Do christians not celebrate with "yule" tide greetings....you know, pagan god Yule, which obviously predated christianity? Do yourself a favor and stop being so emotional. Go actually read something.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • Peace Lily

      It seriously doesn't matter where Christmas originates. All I know and observe is what I grew up with and, in my family, it's a celebration for the birth of Christ. Period. End of story. I think it highly hypocritical to tell me that my faith is a myth and try to convince me to give it up, while in the same breath, telling me that you have a right to be a "non-believer" and not to be forced to see my celebration. That is the problem I have with this whole thing. Anything publicly displayed is not a finger pointing at everyone to be "Christian" unlike the atrocious billboards which actually criticizes religion and the people who observe it. If you want to be "sterile" of religion then so be it. As long as you don't try to drive me down that path, we'll be fine. You see, I obviously have more tolerance than those putting up the billboards. Just remember...if you mess with someone else's right to their own beliefs, you risk losing your own. There is absolutely no need to do away with something that has been a harmless part of our culture throughout my entire life and before. If you don't believe, fine...if you don't want to see us celebrate, then look away...if that makes you unhappy, then it sounds like 100% a personal issue that has nothing to do with the rest of us. Maybe it is the people who are so irritated at how we celebrate that are the damaged goods. I'll keep what I believe, thank you very much. It's the reason for MY season...the birth of Christ!

      December 20, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      Peace Lilly,

      LOL! Angry? Where did I say any of that? Did I say it was a myth? Did I say you shouldnt practice it? Did I tell you to do or not do anything at all? Nope, I jsut pointed out that you stole the traditions from the pagans, which you obviously did. You sound defensive. Almost like you know its not real, but are throwing one last tired to make yourself keep beleiving. LOL. Do whatever you want, just know what you are doing, or else you look really silly doing it.

      December 20, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • The Life of 3.14

      @ReligionIsBS- I'm sorry, I thought you were one of those dimwits that where trying to deny the historical person known as Jesus.

      Oddly enough, did you know that the winter solstice isn't fixed? Did you also know that there is no evidence that Christmas was put on Dec 25th because of the solstice. It's just a guess by non-Christians.

      You can keep your fallacies to yourself. Insults don't win arguments.

      December 20, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • Peace Lily

      You are implying that none of us know what we are celebrating!!! Angry? Only when you step on my toes and push me off yours. My celebration has nothing to do with the things you mentioned...none. But it does have religious roots. I fully know what I am celebrating...I figured that out a long time ago. My issue is with people who are now, at my 53 years, telling me that I should somehow be ashamed of who I am! If that sounds angry, then maybe I am angry. Do not pass judgement on me unless you have back up to put me in a place other than what I worked out for myself many years ago. If you don't like what I do, then sorry...you'll just have to look the other way. I am not giving it up for you or anyone else. And I certainly have no intention of getting into a philosophical discussion with you about religion. Face it...like me, you have made up your mind. The whole point was that no one has the right to intrude on another's beliefs. While Christmas "imagery" is not specific in recruiting Christians or maligning non-believers, the billboards telling people that they are somehow confused and disillusioned is specific in ridiculing people for their beliefs. See the difference?

      December 20, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      The Life,

      Why are you responding under the moniker "The Life" when I was referencing "Peace Lilly's" post? Is it because you are insecure about your answers, so you post under two names to make it look likw someone is agreeing with you? ahahahahahahaha. BUSTED!

      December 20, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      What histoircal evidence for jesus? please provide me with some and ill read it. Until you do that, there is none. Josephus was plagarized and christians admit it, so lets just not even bother with that one.

      December 20, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • Peace Lily

      Besides...only the first sentence applied to you. The rest applied to the article in general. A little touchy are we?

      December 20, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      Truth Lily.

      Oh, I get it. You think you get to beleive in something that insinuates that I am going to burn in hell forever for not beleiving, and Im not allowed to call you ridiculous for it! LOL. SOrry, not how it works in this country. I can call you an idiot for beleiving in it all I want. And you just get angry because you know its true!

      December 20, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • Peace Lily

      Who is truth lily and what the heck did you even mean...didn't make a lick of sense!!! Burn in hell? Who mentioned burning in hell? As for calling me ridiculous...I guess you can if you want. But I can call you ridiculous, lackluster, a "sheep", a lemming, uneducated, sad, pathetic, and many other things. So if I don't get angry then you shouldn't...right? Not that I actually want to call you those things. I am merely trying to show you how ridiculous your comment was when you called me ridiculous. Sure you're not 15?

      December 20, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      I screwed up your name, that was directed at peace lily if you really couldnt comprehend that. A religibot calling me a sheep. LOL! Uneducated! Go look at the stats for education and atheism vs religious and education. And you really dont know that there are christians that beleive in hell? Oh i get it, different sects of the cult pick and choose what parts to beleive. No wonder you dont even know you are celebrating a pagan holiday, you dont even know about hell!!!!!!!!

      December 20, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • Helix

      Dude, I'm as atheistic as can be but I've got to point out you are seriously wrong. "Yule" is not a god's name, per se, it's probably an old germanic word for an idea akin to "spirit". A Norse variant of it was used to refer to gods in general (Jolnirs – yule-beings) and was a descriptive for Odin (Jolfadr – yule father). The Christmas tree is also of germanic origin, but in all likelihood of far later origin than ancient times. Romans did decorate with evergreen garlands and such (as did ancient Egyptians), but the main influence of Saturnalia, which was celebrated from the 17th to 22nd of December, on Christmas is in the tradition of gift-giving. The winter solstice is almost always on the 21st or 22nd of December, not the 25th which was the date of the late-antiquity Roman festival of Die Natalas Sol Invictis (The birth of the unconquered sun) but its celebration was rather limited and its influence on the date of Christmas is highly debated. The fact is pretty much every culture on Earth – From the Soyal of the Hopi to the Yalda of the Zoroastrians to the Pancha Ganapti of the Hindu to the Dongzhi of the Chinese – has celebrated a festival around the time of Christmas for, as pointed out already, reasons of, quite simply, celestial mechanics.

      December 20, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      My bad Heloix, cant always keep my gods and traditions up to date. Point was that christianity did not come up them. Just like most things celebrated at christmas.

      December 20, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • Peace Lily

      @ReligionIsBS – Sorry dude...but yuz writin skillz iz so bad...I just cain't decifer a thang you say. I really think you're 15 and I was really trying to goad you into stupid responses. It worked! :-) You obviously didn't comprehend any of the words people responded to you with, did you? Now THAT is sad! hahahaha

      December 20, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
    • The Life of 3.14

      ReligionIsBS- "What histoircal evidence for jesus? please provide me with some and ill read it. Until you do that, there is none. Josephus was plagarized and christians admit it, so lets just not even bother with that one."

      I'm just commenting on this to do it...ok?
      Four books known as the Gospels count as historical doc uments. I hoep you don't think they only count as one source, boy would that be stupid.

      December 20, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
  15. Dina

    @follix May I reccomend spell checks ? Thank you ! and God Bless you as well... Smile God loves you

    December 20, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • Attack of the 50 Foot Magical Underwear

      Hi Dina – Umm, which God loves me? And how do you know? Does Zeus love me? How about Thor? Ra?

      December 20, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Follix

      reccomend?

      I am a native french speaker, sorry for the mistakes...

      December 20, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
  16. lionlylamb

    Until anyone can create any life from scratch, I'll stick with God's creative prowess. Until anyone can create a planet or moon or star, I'll stick with God's creative agendas. For in God are all physical things thusly held. For of God are all things made whole and completed. For by God is all life created in every physicality known and in God's nothingness being God's Holy Spirit are all things leavened to be and even become all mannerisms ever to be so made by God's own husbandry ways! God does so live upon the innerness of all life upon a realm of such smallness, the only way we can get there is to die!

    December 20, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • Dina

      Amen !

      December 20, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • SalienceAndSelf

      So in other words, you'll take the intellectually lazy route, instead of actively seeking explanations.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Eric

      And when you can show me how an all-knowing, all-powerful being can come out of nothing I'll start taking you seriously. Until then keep your book of moronic myths to yourself.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Am I "INTELECTUALLY LAZY"?

      The Universally-Formed Multiple Cosmos of the Living Triune Cosmological Manifestation of Being

      We all live amid two chasms of cosmological orders. We have the inner-cosmos and the outer-cosmos. The inner-cosmos is atomically made and is the universal construct of the outer-cosmos. One could not have an outer cosmos without there being an inner cosmos. Both are synonymously of the same natures. It stands to reason the inner-cosmos was made first and the outer-cosmos came into being only after the passive finalization of the inner-cosmos was made near complete. The inner-cosmos is transcendent and fixed while the outer-cosmos is ascendant and malleable in their dualities nurturing natures.

      The third cosmos is of life itself made from the inner-cosmos living upon the terrestrial planetary faces of the celestial outer-cosmos. This third cosmos is the celled cosmos or the cellular cosmologic orders duly ordained of and by and even for all life forms to be made anywhere cellular life can gain a foothold to evolve and gain in the abundant natures toward the evolution of its structures ever evolving in base pairings. Without the two main Cosmos coming into existence; all living cellular cosmologies in the celestial confines could not ever exist.

      The trinity or threefold nature of chasm cosmologies is being one of the greatest and grandest gestures ever to have been formulated! To say God had nothing to do with such a feat of cosmologic inter-dependencies seems to me, an infallible congruency inconsistent for one to say or think otherwise. To say the nature of God is to keep inflating the physical elements of the outer cosmos while deflating the essence needs for the inner-cosmos leaves one to wonder about the third cosmological construct’s real nature for having been created. Why then are there cellular cosmos of living cosmologies and when did such celled cosmologic life become established?

      The history of multifaceted cosmological expansionism within celestial symmetries comes from the terrestrial complacencies of planetary regularities and solarized objectivism wherever the abundance of inner cosmologies coalesces to form stars, planets and moons among many other fragmented structures within the spatial confines of a universally formed Cosmos.

      Life, upon the celestial shorelines of the terrestrially compliant are as a biologic ‘cellularistic’ cosmological constant, and were ever formed and are continually forming seemingly unto forever as well placed living conglomerations in naturalisms arcades of wondrous cavalcades marching in steps of melancholy tributes to God upon the most high cosmos of universally formidable formations on the highest of unimaginable grounds!

      December 20, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • CosmicC

      So, basically what you are saying is that it would be okay for someone who came from an indigenous society with no experience in technology to worship someone who could make a cell phone?

      December 20, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • Praise God

      SalienceAndSelf, you are telling us the intellectual route makes you bitter enough to insult those that have faith?

      December 20, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • Everyone on the Belief Blog

      lionlylamb, huh??

      December 20, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Eric,

      If one were to know how to create from nothing would we not become God? Such hidden insights are best left to God's welfares and out of the minds of us insolence oriented benefactors who knows nothing about Godliness tributes! Out of a star's ashes we were all formed and back into ashes will most become! Life here is not fully worthy of living eternally! We are mere worms inching along a barrowed placement in a place meant for the very weakly to form varying opinions about God and His kingdom domains which are the very seeds inside all life orientated measures! We are all God's husbandry buildings of the megalithic kinds! We are God's machined brilliancies of bio-molecular mechanisms!

      December 20, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • craniumthedumb

      @lionly

      Well stated opinion.

      December 20, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
    • Alice

      craniumthedumb,

      I'll bet that you groove on the old KJV too, and all the thy, thou, thee, goeth, ariseth, maketh 'n stuffeth like that... yeah, and the Jabberwocky bowls you over too!

      December 20, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
    • craniumthedumb

      @Alice

      Although I understand the Olde English fairly easily, I am encouraging lionly. These are some of the easiest to understand pieces he has written that I have ever seen. Essentially I'm saying "welcome to the conversation" as for most people he is just now joining it.

      December 20, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
  17. Captain Crunch

    I hate it when Atheists do this. I am an Atheist and I don't care if people celebrate Christmas or put up Christmas trees in public, etc. I am aware of the fact that most people are at least nominally religious, it doesn't bother me as long as they don't try to push their beliefs on me. By that same token I don't feel that we as Atheists should push our beliefs on religious belief, it makes us as bad as them. Live and let live..

    December 20, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Silverman and AA probably are a bit angry. No one here probably knows about it, but AA formed and existed in the time when atheists were seen as exceptionally evil without the rights of other human beings or American citizens. They experienced mass groups of christians calling for the deaths of all atheists and laws that would prohibit atheists from enjoying the normal rights of every person. They lived through years of being told that they should not be allowed to buy or sell or own businesses or employ others or collect benefits or vote or own property.

      AA and Silverman were told they should be killed and subjected to eternal torture of the worst kind, and now we criticize a snippy adjective on a poster?

      December 20, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • chickie

      exactly!

      December 20, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Captain Morgan

      Fair enough. Live and let live. I can get on board with that.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • me either

      It really upsets me when I have to be confronted at every turn by atheists. It intrudes on my right to have my own beliefs. I do not care if people do not believe in God. Just because I believe in God, does not make it anyone else's business. If atheists do not want to believe, they can go to hell as they desire, and I won't care. Just leave me alone.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • phearis

      Each side (Atheist and Christian) has their own psychopathic extremists. There's no stopping them or changing what they think. All we can really hope for is that they die off and don't pass on their laughable ideas.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      @me either

      You and your christian buddies should show us how it's done, then. Or do you want the right to proselytize and witness unto the ends of the earth while denying that same privilege to the people your group disagrees with?

      December 20, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • CosmicC

      I don't have a problem with people celebrating their beliefs and I certainly don't mind getting a day off work. Life is scary, especially given that it ends in death. Fear begets hate. Hatred begets violence. If their believing in a fairy tale keeps me safe by reducing violence, I'm all for it.
      Just as long as they don't try to convert anyone, legislate their beliefs, or offer more privledges to people who share them. That's where we have a problem. Both Christianity and Islam are evangelical faiths. The have a conversion component in their dogma.

      December 20, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • Peace Lily

      Thank you! That is the way it should be! I don't like those who try to shove their beliefs down my throat whether religious or atheist. As long as a segment of society is not hurting anyone, I see no reason to not allow them to believe as they wish...or me for that matter. Live and let live!

      December 20, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
  18. Truth Hurts

    Only Christians have the right to a natural birth / natural death. Everyone else is just a hungry hydrocarbon, livestock to the elites.

    December 20, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • Huebert

      Can I buy some pot from you?

      December 20, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • phearis

      Seriously, what the heck are you smoking and can I have some?

      December 20, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
  19. John M

    The real atheist rift, I think, concerns the importance of winning over other people. Some are in the business of changing people's views, which is fine. But others may be less interested in changing others views, or less optimistic than arguments do much good, which is also fine.

    December 20, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • Follix

      I don't see the importance of winning other people... I consider that time will do it by itself. More we discover new things (Heliocentrism, Evolution, Universe origin) more we see that religions, all of them, are irrational and belongs to mythology.

      In fact I am pretty sure that a day, most people will consider that free will doesn't even exist. (From a neurological point of view it makes no sense at all...)

      December 20, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
  20. Almighty Reason

    I worship jesus christ!!!!........the cuss word.......and of course.......god dammit!

    December 20, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • Which God?

      It's jesus h. fukking christ. Come on get it right, goD fukking dammit

      December 20, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • LinCA

      @Which God?

      Did you mean to say Jesus H. Fucking Christ?

      December 20, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • CosmicC

      I've always wondered; what does the H stand for?

      December 20, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
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