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My Take: It’s time for evangelicals to speak up about guns
December 28th, 2012
10:00 PM ET

My Take: It’s time for evangelicals to speak up about guns

Editor’s note: Daniel Darling is a pastor, author and speaker in the Chicago area. His latest book is "Real: Owning Your Christian Faith." He tweets at @dandarling.

By Daniel Darling, Special to CNN

(CNN) – The Bible doesn’t clearly express an opinion on the possession of guns, but many evangelicals defend the unlimited distribution of firearms with the same fervor that they defend biblical orthodoxy. According to a recent Public Religion Research Institute survey, 8% of white evangelical Protestants favor tighter gun laws.

But in the wake of yet another deadly school shooting, it’s time for evangelicals to contribute to the national discussion beyond: “It’s not guns that kill people, it’s people that kill people.”

In fairness to gun enthusiasts, no reasonable observer could pin the blame for the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting solely on the lack of effective gun laws. Even President Barack Obama and other influential voices have called for a balanced approach that looks not only at guns but also at mental illness, violent video games and a culture of fatherlessness that produces young troubled men. And the research about the effectiveness of gun controls laws seems mixed at best.

Still evangelicals should not defend the use, proliferation and availability of assault weapons with as much vigor as they defend their faith. In spite of some who insist the Second Amendment is drawn from the Bible, there is no clear-cut Christian position on gun control.

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On one level, the Bible affirms the government’s first and most basic job to protect its citizens, especially the most vulnerable, our children. Romans 13 reminds us that government is “God’s servant for our good.” The Bible also gives high priority to the welfare of children.

At times, the Bible seems to affirm the right to self-defense. Even when Jesus famously told Peter to put down his sword during Jesus’ arrest in the Garden of Gethsemane, he didn’t tell Peter to destroy the sword but put it in its rightful place.

On the other hand, the Scripture is pretty clear that Christians should not only oppose violence but should be advocates for the sanctity of human life. This doesn’t simply apply to abortion but to any unlawful taking of human life. Advocating for life also includes taking care of children's and others' well-being after they are born. Each life is created in the image of God; therefore, death is the work of the evil one (1 John 3:15). The Apostle Paul labels death God’s final enemy. Christians are also called to be “peacemakers” and not lovers of violence.

Given the lack of a straightforward biblical imperative for or against guns, faithful followers of Christ should be more flexible in their opinions on this issue.

Why can’t we support sensible restrictions, such as a ban on military-style combat weapons? These weapons seem to serve no purpose other than the glorification of violence. If we take seriously the command to protect our children, we’ll avoid the risk of these weapons getting into the hands of unstable people. Sure, a ban won’t eliminate all weapons, especially those purchased illegally, but it may reduce the chance of another Sandy Hook massacre.

Massacre of children leaves many asking, 'Where’s God?'

We also should also advocate making it harder for people to acquire guns, even sensible weapons purchased for self-defense or hunting. Gun ownership should be a privilege earned by good behavior and conferred only on the most trustworthy of our citizens. I think we can do this without disrespecting the Second Amendment, which besides guaranteeing the right to bear arms calls for this right to be “well-regulated.” As blogger Marty Duren says, “While the Second Amendment provides the right to keep and bear (“carry”) arms, it does not necessitate the right to own any armament the mind of man can create.”

New gun laws won’t prevent every future crime, but perhaps a few common-sense regulations would help destroy a culture of violence that so tempts young troubled men.

Some will argue that new restrictions only hurt those who are already law-abiding. This may be so. But as Christians called to care for the common good of our communities, we should be willing to endure the inconvenience if it saves one child from death.  Since 9/11, we have all endured more hassle at the airport to prevent even one terrorist from killing our fellow citizens.

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Followers of Christ know that it is ultimately not the gun that kills, but evil that resides in every human heart. And yet it is precisely this belief in total depravity that might inform our views on gun control. In a fallen world, the most vulnerable among us need protection from those who cannot or will not discern right from wrong. (Ironically, this is the focus of the Christian anti-abortion argument.) Let’s not put instruments of death so close to hands that would do evil.

At the end of the day, living out our faith requires that we do more than simply react in a defensive posture but engage in this important debate. We can protect the cherished right to bear arms in self-defense and still make sure unnecessary and violent weapons are not sold on our store shelves and online and are not accessible by those in our communities who would use them to commit acts of aggression and murder.

Furthermore, an unwillingness to entertain common-sense restrictions casts the evangelical faith in an unnecessarily unfavorable light. It may cause some to think we love our guns more than our neighbors.

There are many things about which Christians should be unyielding; the right to own a killing machine should not be one of them.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Daniel Darling.

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Filed under: Christianity • Evangelical • Guns

soundoff (2,819 Responses)
  1. Pete

    Evangelicals, should speak up now... To defend the 2nd amendment... The 2nd amendment ensures them a continued, and protected 1st amendment...

    December 29, 2012 at 11:52 am |
    • Jake

      What world are you living in that you think the 2nd amendment is relevant today? Do you really think a bunch of rednecks with guns could overthrow the government? And if you're overthrowing the government, does it really matter what the government says about the legality of your guns? Come on, at least TRY to think.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • The Truth

      It's too much to ask them to think about this subject. They traded in their reasoning skills for an extra large clip and a case of Pabst...

      December 29, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • 21k

      jake, don't waste your time. you are dealing with people who see themselves killing their fellow citizens in the military, rambo-style.

      December 29, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • Pete

      Jake, if the 2nd amendment isn't relevant today, then neither are the rest of the amendments.... I'll go off the deep end here, like you and others do with guns, and suggest we as a society enact laws which prohibit the birth, and or living of mentally challenged people, those with retardation, autism, down syndrome... Sandy Hook would never have happened without an autistic perpetrator.. Yes, I was being sarcastic.. But your small mind believes that guns made it happen.. He could have just as easily used a bomb, a knife, a baseball bat... Say we do eliminate guns altogether? Then how do we solve the problem? You have still done nothing to prevent a violent action against innocent lives!

      December 29, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
  2. Seyedibar

    Oh great. More Christians perverting and twisting their silly primitive folktales to fit modern day politics. Isn't it always so much fun when they try that?

    December 29, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • Plato

      Good comment, really contributes a lot to the discussion and doesn't hold any random un-backed biases....oh wait.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • Seyedibar

      I wasn't attempting to add. I was attempting to insult adults who believe in magic.

      December 29, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
    • niknak

      That is why they need their guns Sey, to kill people like you who make fun of their sky fairy.
      If the fundies ever do get complete control of this country, they will make blasphemy laws to get rid of the non believers.
      I bet deep down inside your average fundie male is jelous to death of the muslims in the Middle East.
      Those guys get everything the fundie wants;
      Unlimited oil money, guns, blasphemy laws, a herem of woman, the right to kill anyone who is different, the right to kill and subjugate woman, and force others to believe in your god the way you say they should.

      December 29, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
  3. Rainer Braendlein

    December 29, 2012 at 11:51 am |
  4. Teresa

    I'm sure not going to waste anymore of my time reading anymore of these comments. I believe what my bible says. So off I go to pray for everyone in this discussion and intercede. I'm so disgusted with alot that is being spoken. I pray that each and every person speaking against our Lord and Savior be forgiven for they know not what they do. I thank the Father for His mercy and that His will is that none would perish but choose life. Holy spirit I thank you that you convict the heart of the unbeliever to repentance. Father thank you for your mercy upon those who lack understanding and wisdom (Fear of the Lord). I bless them Father and not curse them for WHATEVER a man sow he shall reap. In Jesus name I pray.

    December 29, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • Seyedibar

      Go ahead. Base every action in your life around a fictional folktale character. Don't worry. It's only natural instinct to believe in hogwash; we've been inventing gods since the Stone Age.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • Kenny Cather

      I'm pretty sure the Bible also advises against judging others.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • The Truth

      Ultimately the religious will never give up their gun's because they don't really have any faith in God to save them and feel they have to take the key's to life and death away from Jesus, then sit back and claim they are defending God and their rights when really they are shouting loud and clear "I DON'T TRUST YOU TO PROTECT ME JESUS!! THAT'S WHY I GOT THESE EXTRA LARGE CLIPS AND THIS ASSAULT RIFLE!!"

      December 29, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
  5. Terry

    This article is great...if we all lived with our heads in the sand. He lives in a town with some of the strictest gun control laws in the US and yet is the Murder capital of the US. Ironic or Moronic?

    I am also a Pastor and I fully believe in the second amendment and that is because I blame man for these actions not inanimate objects. There will always be tools made for killing but it is still man's choice to use them. Look at the man in Norway who killed 77... he did it with a bomb and then walked around shooting people dressed as a police officer. He did not need a gun to spray 1000s of bullets but walked down and calmly shot people. This young man at Sandy Hook had more ammo left...its not about the ammo or the gun but whether you can use a gun.

    It does not make a difference what is used because its only a tool but what does make a difference is who is using it. That is the difference between criminals and law abiding citizens, a law abiding citizen is not the one to fear and to take away any ability to defend themselves is a violation of the intent of the 2nd amendment. These are the laws of the country and even though God does not specifically talk about guns or gun control he does tell us to "render onto Caesar what is Caesar's" and he also tells us to obey our governments or those in authority over us. Matthew 22 and Romans 13.

    December 29, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • 21k

      here's hoping you end up in an applebees next to a "law abiding citizen" who has a gun and just drank a few beers. we can only hope.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • NorthVanCan

      You are a pastor and have a grade 4 intellectual capacity ?

      December 29, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • Tired of Christian Lies

      finally someone with more intelligence and wisdom that his shoe size. You are absolutely correct a Gun is a tool the one who wields it and fires it determines if it is a tool of good or evil. Put an AR-15 in a cops hand and you have a tool for peace, Put that same AR-15 in the hands like Anders Behring Breivik and you get a weapon of unspeakable horror.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:50 am |
    • The Truth

      "It does not make a difference what is used because its only a tool but what does make a difference is who is using it. That is the difference between criminals and law abiding citizens, a law abiding citizen is not the one to fear and to take away any ability to defend themselves is a violation of the intent of the 2nd amendment."

      By that reasoning I should be able to buy and carry around a shoulder fired rocket launcher with nuclear tipped warhead rockets. And by that I mean Terry has used no reasoning skill whatsoever.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • Jake

      You should do some research. It most certainly DOES make a difference what is used to do the killing. And criminal or not, having a gun in your possession significantly INCREASES the chances that you will be shot (over 4x increase vs. not having a gun). Blame whoever you want, but facts are facts: leave your hand gun at home and you have a much lower chance of getting killed.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:52 am |
    • hugh64

      Sorry Terry, but this just doesn't wash. If the UK with 1/5 of the US population has only 32 gun deaths a year, while the USA has 29,000. the easy availability of guns has to be a major cause of the difference : the UK rate is half of one percent the US rate. Are you suggesting that this difference can simply be eliminated by people 'being responsible'? The problem is that a lot of people are NOT responsible and putting these highly destructive weapons within easy reach of just about anyone is the cause of our problem. You have to get real about this. God didn't want those 29,000 people who died from gunshots last year to be killed.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • Seyedibar

      Removing guns would save lives. Unfortunately many of us Americans are not interested in saving lives. There is nothing sacred about humans when there are 7 billion on the planet. We simply do not want the boring nonviolent lifestyle of the UK. We like to blow things up and we like to hone our hunting skills. Sometimes people die. C'est la vie!

      December 29, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • lol??

      terry, do you even know who caesar is in ye ol' usa? This is getting pathetic. Do you understand birds n bees?

      December 29, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
  6. Tired of Christian Lies

    To all those who defend the cult known as Religion:
    God is the imaginary friend of the intellectually disabled.

    December 29, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • jorgath

      Praise Zeus!

      December 29, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • Atheists make me chuckle

      Dang, well, that was convincing. Off to atheist school with me now.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • Plato

      ...and atheism is the religion of the ignorant

      December 29, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • The Truth

      Atheism is the end result if you study the bible hard enough.

      December 29, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • ...

      @Plato
      "...and atheism is the religion of the ignorant"

      I find it interesting that nearly every study finds an inverse relationship between education/intelligence and religious belief; but, you probably didn't know that.

      December 29, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • Seyedibar

      If you want to get technical, he wasn't completely imaginary. The bible worships at least three gods: El, Baal, and Yahweh. All three are now presumed to be early Canaanite or Sumerian kings. The oldest tales of them give them armor, armies arriving in boats, cities built of stone. It's very clear that the Abrahamic religions began as ancestor/ruler worship, similar to that of the Egyptians.

      December 29, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • Jeff

      Plato, atheism is the religion of the lawless.

      December 29, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Then, Jeff, why are most of the inhabitants in our prisons Christian?

      December 29, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Never mind. I didn't mean to sound so dumb. I know that most prisoners conveniently find religion to improve their chances of getting out.

      December 29, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
  7. 21k

    seems to me that the most compelling reason to own a gun today is for protection from other gun owners, especially the xtian ones. drug gangs (yes even the white ones) use guns to protect their bizness. rednecks are the ones that go out and shoot up schools and malls. too bad we can't have a walled-in hunger games type area, where gun nuts can enter a fight to the death contest for a cash prize ( one final winner of course). that's probably the only way to cull the nuts with guns from the population at this point.

    December 29, 2012 at 11:43 am |
    • Pablo

      That newton lanza kid was one of the top 1%. His father and mother were very rich and from their lifestyle didn't believe rules applied to them.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • 21k

      pablo, up until the moment he started shooting, you folks would have called him and his mom law-abiding patriots, just because she had guns and trained him to shoot.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • Jeff

      This issue is not about guns but about tracking sociopathic personalities in our society. What? Teachers to employers don't know why they graduate or fire a person to rid them from their classrooms or workplaces?

      December 29, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Jeff, do you mind translating that post into something intelligible?

      December 29, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
  8. Grover Ferrell

    First, imagine a world where guns would be totally outlawed, then only Outlaws would own, carry and use guns. Guns do not kill people no more than pens misspell words. A gun does not create a killer no more than a knife make a person a butcher or a hammer makes one a carpenter. Evil people will kill when the only tool is their bare hands. The problem lies with the person whom kills and not with the tool that they choose to use. It would be easy to eradicate guns from the law abiding segment of our society but the non-law abiding society do not follow laws and therefore will continue to buy, sell and use guns albeit against the law. Once criminals realize that only they have guns, what will prevent them, [the criminals], from preying on us law abiding citizens and invading our homes because we cannot defend ourselves against their illegal weapons. What protection do we have when leaving a mall setting with purchases and family in tow? More illegal shooting occur in locations where guns a tightly regulated and in most cases totally outlawed like Mexico. In the United States more illegal shooting happen in the Washington DC and Maryland area where guns are totally outlawed than in free to carry states like Arizona where I live because chances are in the DC area the hard working and law abiding citizen does not carry a gun. Most of the major cities like New York, Chicago and Los Angeles have a much higher rate of gun violence than gun liberal cities. Guns do save live more than we realize by preventing gun violence because “the other guy” may shoot back. I am all for every law abiding citizen in the United States having the ability to purchase and carry a gun. I am all for the training, education and licensing of anyone wishing to carry. Will the right to carry by every citizen prevent every senseless shooting? No, but it will put more guns in the hands of people who value their freedom and will only shoot another when life is in jeopardy. Just like drugs, guns will never be totally eradicated from our society so we need to arm ourselves to protect our loved ones from those wishing to do bodily harm with the use of a firearm. Accidents will happen but hopefully we can prevent or stop a crazed killer from taking the lives of defenseless men, women and children. I carry one of my guns most of the time because the life that I save may be my own.

    December 29, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      First of all, Grover, guns aren't "outlawed" in Maryland. If you don't even have your facts straight on something as simple as that, you aren't worth listening to.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And I know because I'm from Maryland and own 17 guns, one of which is an AR-15, and I would never go into a school and shoot it up starting by bombing the glass door, then proceeding to the principle's office (never liked priciples – their pddles were too hard), then going classroom by classrom making sure not to skip bathrooms or closets. I would never do that.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • Jake

      Carrying a gun increases the chance that you will be shot by a criminal. Many studies have clearly shown this. Knowing that carrying a gun increases the chance that non-criminals will be killed, please explain why you think anyone should want to carry a gun, whether it's legal or not?

      December 29, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • hugh64

      Grover, you are being disingenuous. The tired old saw that its people that kill people, not guns is hogwash. Guns make it extremely easy to do so. Would you keep an open can of gasoline in the house? Certainly not. But what else is a loaded gun but a disaster waiting to happen? Since in the USA you are 4 times more likely to be killed with a gun if you have one in your house, it is clear that the presence of a gun dramatically increases the risk of being shot. Now, on to your point about banning guns would leave only outlaws owning them, that is, of course, the point. We would know who the bad guys are. But let's not be emotional about this. Let's use statistics. In the UK, where the cops are now armed and it is illegal to own a handgun and hard to own a rifle, last year only 32 people were killed with firearms. In the USA the number was 29,000. Allowing for population differences, your 200 times more likely to be shot in the USA than in the UK. It is simply foolish to claim that the ready availability of deadly weapons doesn't have something to do with this, even if it's a human pulling the trigger.

      December 29, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      @ my little herbie: It's "principal," dumbfvck.

      December 29, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Crazy that I can't spell rite, I know. I luv to use a spell checher to correct my bad speeling and them rag on people whose fingers move a little too fast. It makes me feel like a gient among men.

      December 29, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
    • Grover Ferrell

      Yes, I miswrote about Maryland, more referring to the ability in DC to legally acquire weapons but the only point that I was trying to make is that with proper training guns can save lives. Police carry guns because they are trained and are less likely to get shot. If that were not the case, police would not carry guns because they would have a better chance of not getting shot. I am for education and training on the proper use of guns. Here in Phoenix Arizona, the 5th largest city in America, we are far down the chart of illegal shootings. Guns are not going anywhere so require proper training and education so we can help prevent accidents within the legal carrying society. You may be right that having a gun during a robbery may increase your chances of getting shot but the possibility of having a gun decreases your chance of getting robbed in the first place. Home invasions? Totally unheard of here, wonder why? Every night table has a gun or the possibility of having one.

      December 29, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
  9. Pablo

    The statement "We also should also advocate making it harder for people to acquire guns, even sensible weapons purchased for self-defense or hunting. Gun ownership should be a privilege earned by good behavior and conferred only on the most trustworthy of our citizens." is a complete mockery of what our founding fathers created in the bill of rights.

    We don't need to ASK permission or ask our betters for our rights they are God given. This person is no evangelical christian or he would understand the founding principles of america. Our religious rights fall in the same category.

    As a gun owner I am for responsible gun ownership, but ANY gun including Assault Rifles are needed to balance the brutal overreaching authority of the state and the terrible oppressive viewpoints of people like this one who believes our rights need to be evaluated based on someone else opinion.

    December 29, 2012 at 11:40 am |
    • SixDegrees

      1) There is no god.

      2) If there was, and what's said about it is true, it most certainly would not approve of guns.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • Pablo

      I don't disagree we should have background checks and keep guns out of evil hands. However, I don't believe the government should deny the right or call grant it. We should restrict rights when people demonstrate they have issues or commit crimes or are of not legal age.

      The issue we should all have with this writer is that rights are NOT things you earn, but you can lose them based on how you live.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • gary

      Rights granted via the Consti tution of America are not granted from any particular god. You can perceive it that way, but in this country that's not how the right is given to you.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • NorthVanCan

      overreaching authority? Like organized religion?

      December 29, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • niknak

      Your thinking is so f ed up Pablo it is hard to know where to start.

      First, god gave you no right to own a gun. Find that for me in your book of magic spells. Not there, because guns were not invented at the time those goat herders made up their imaginary friend. So you don't have any god given right to own a gun.

      Second, you could own as many assault rifles as you want, you are not stopping the government/ US military from "overreaching," whatever that means.

      Face it bro, you are a nut for believing in a 2000 year old fairy tale, and a coward who has to hide behind your gun in order to make up for all your inadequacies.

      December 29, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
  10. IcemanN4

    Hey knuckle draggers......Swords WERE the assault rifle of the day. Just like bolt actions were the assault rifles of WW 1 and 2. David used an assault rifle (slingshot) to do his business. My baby eagle is just an evolution of that assault weapon. You people out there that dont know one weapon from another need to just STFU!

    December 29, 2012 at 11:40 am |
    • niknak

      Yeah, you tell em toughguy!
      Even your screen name is tough.
      Got your guns, got your truck, got your country music and your Chik Fil a.
      Don't mess with Iceman, cause he is tough.

      December 29, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • Saraswati

      Everyone "out here" knows that you can't kill as many people in 10 minutes with a sword as with an assault rifle or, for that matter, nuclear weapons. The weapon does matter.

      December 29, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
  11. Rainer Braendlein

    The mankind has become like Gollum who focused on only one small idol. J. R. R. Tolkien got some wisdom.

    December 29, 2012 at 11:40 am |
  12. eyevibe410

    CNN excels at finding the one person in an organization that fuels their anti-gun propaganda. One question for the good Pastor; where was your "god" when someone created in his own image was massacring those children?

    December 29, 2012 at 11:39 am |
    • jorgath

      The standard argument is "free will." It's more important to God that we be able to choose between good and evil (if he chooses for us, the choice is meaningless) than that he prevent us from doing evil.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:54 am |
  13. NorthVanCan

    Just another shining example of why religion should be dumped.

    December 29, 2012 at 11:37 am |
  14. Happy to have some

    Where Does All Earth's Gold Come From? Precious Metals the Result of Meteorite Bombardment, Rock Analysis Finds

    Made by Precious Metals
    Where Does All Earth's Gold Come From? Precious Metals the Result of Meteorite Bombardment, Rock Analysis Finds
    Sep. 9, 2011 — Ultra high precision analyses of some of the oldest rock samples on Earth by researchers at the University of Bristol provides clear evidence that the planet's accessible reserves of precious metals are the result of a bombardment of meteorites more than 200 million years after Earth was formed.

    December 29, 2012 at 11:31 am |
    • niknak

      What does that have to do with guns?

      December 29, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • ???????????

      Without metals no guns maybe?

      December 29, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • lol??

      Well niknak, the most base wisdom about gold might involve coveting which leads to killing. Much more to be learned for those who have a bwain.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:50 am |
    • niknak

      Gold was the reason that kid went postal in Sandy Hook?
      Guess I did not hear that yet from the authorities there.

      Yes, metal is what guns are made from. But I am pretty sure gold is not one of the metals used in their fabrication.

      The OP has an intersting article about the meteors, but I still see no correlation between it and our current gun debate.

      December 29, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • ???????????

      God did not make the metals OK we did.

      December 29, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
    • ???????

      G-od did not create metals we did. Maybe fior sure.

      December 29, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
  15. Rainer Braendlein

    Stop the ill competi-tion which yet destroys the lifes of our young children in the schools.

    "The Bible also gives high priority to the welfare of children.", Mr.Darling said.

    How could that be practized?

    The general issue is that we have not yet overcome the theory of evolution whichs supports the survival of the fittest. The Western World has developed a certain range of of features of performance which someone must have in order to get the recognition of the society. Simply said, today you can get recognition when you are either a good technician or a good lawyer or economist.

    In contrast the divine order is completely different from this Antichristian system. According to the will of our Creator everybody has one or even more talents or gifts which he should discover. One may be a taylor, the next one a carpenter, the third one a baker, there may be even scientists, engineers and lawyers. The range of acceptable professions in God's sight is much broader than ours. Even a cleaner or a gardener or a watchman get fully acknowledged by the Most High. It is only that they should try to develop their gift or talent according to their personal power which God has given them.

    The whole mankind is like a big body, and all people are organs which have certain tasks. All organs serve each other, AND depend on each other. Their should be no compet-ition which organ would be the best one. It only matters that every organ fulfills its task, and that was it. The organs of our biological body don't compete. If they would do that we would die.

    We are like a man who has become mad, and only appreciates his own head or brain. All nutrients he gives his head. Imagine such a man with a very big head and very small arms and legs. Will he be able to survive? Never! There must be a balance between the size of the head and the other limbs.

    Hence, let us return to the great love of our Creator and his divine Son Jesus Christ. Everybody is welcome one earth by the Deity. Nobody is supposed to become greater or stronger or more powerful than his human brothers and sisters. Let us simply focus on doing our current job well, and every thing is good. Let us serve each other by ore God-given talents, and we all will survive, and even reach some wealth.

    Jesus Christ, a person of the Holy Trinity, was not ashamed to be a simple carpenter. How much more should we as descendants of the fallen Adam be able to accept a simple job (that does not mean that some of us could not do higher jobs; certainly some of us may have higher gifts for doing special jobs which are very challenging).

    http://confessingchurch.wordpress.com

    December 29, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • niknak

      Too long, too boring......

      December 29, 2012 at 11:32 am |
    • AvdBergism source of filthyRainerBraendleinism©

      Only by Christianity absurdity of a Christian, hindu and pagan. Filthy Christian Captain Crunch dog. Filthy pagan hindu pig dog. Filthy Randy Jackson dog. Filthy hebrew national beef dog. Filthy Ron Jeremy foot-long dog. NO DOGS!! Who let them be out? Quran means nothing else but path of triple abdullah absolute quantified. please visit ahmadinebinpaid.com/blog.html and click on word Choice to open file. But turn virus protection off before

      December 29, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      It is boredom when someone only criticises other comments. Could you tell us your opinion, please?

      December 29, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • Dianne Chatfield

      People think there are so many of our population in favor of no gun control but the NRA is currently a paper tiger and not as large as one would think. It is true that our mental health facilities have pretty much disappeared in the shadow of "drug management of illness" which requires patient compliance when an ill person is not equipped to comply. We also need to consider, especially now, the preponderance of PTSD with our broken returning soldiers which has caused a larger need not necessarily being addressed. gun control should be addressing registration and background checks more thoroughly. Does anyone really need a gun "right away"? Gun flea markets need to be further looked at as sources for guns not covered with the background checks. Many states are adopting legislation allowing for loaded concealed weapons that can be carried in the family car. So much for defending your home.; driving tempers are not the place to be armed. Yes, Christians need to think about preventing killing and defense of our children as well. What kind of society needs to be armed to the max? Are we ignoring the stresses and needs of our neighbors when we are told by our faith to put others first? Perhaps if we were not so self-oriented and insular, we could help more?

      December 29, 2012 at 11:48 am |
  16. gary

    Please don't encourage evangelicals to speak up. That's not going to help anything. Many of them can barely read and write, much less think for themselves.

    December 29, 2012 at 11:27 am |
    • niknak

      But the more that own guns the better. They can all die from gun cleaning accidents easier.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:33 am |
  17. Honest Citizen

    And Jesus said, he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. Swords were the assault weapons of the day.

    December 29, 2012 at 11:27 am |
    • bobpitt

      Cynical, disturbing, and crazy, these people talk about peace love to your neighbor, and the virtues of the teachings of the bible, but they are evil pure evil, I poop in your bible..

      December 29, 2012 at 11:35 am |
    • Tom

      This is an anachronism, but an interesting one. If the swords they carried for defense against highway robbers were of the exact same make as those used by the military, then it is an interesting comparison. I wonder if this means Jesus would have sanctioned killing in self defense. One has to keep in mind that he rebuked Peter for cutting the ear off the Roman soldier, but was that only because Jesus did not want Peter to thwart his plans?

      December 29, 2012 at 11:38 am |
    • frank

      Well, it's funny you mention that, bobpitt. In a pinch a bible can subst itute as TP. I find the Psalms to be the most like Charmin.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:40 am |
    • Tom

      Bob, based on the Christians I know, I'd rather have them around than you, based on your own cybical, judgemental, and somewhat crazy post. But, I'm sure there's a loving guy under that mean exterior, right?

      December 29, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • Tom

      Do you guys really think you look better than Christians, in general, when you post stuff like that? Good thing most atheists aren't like you.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • Bonnie

      Jesus' statement is found at Luke 22:36. However, you must read on and through verse 51. The swords (2 of them) were to prove a point. They asked Jesus is they should strike with the swords and the answer was negative.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • Chris Olson

      the sword is "the word God"- if have the word of God its all you need in life and you can use it like a sword

      December 29, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • jorgath

      So you should have a sword to keep robbers from attacking you but you shouldn't use it even if they attack anyway? Interesting.

      Converted back to modern times, you should have a gun, but don't keep it loaded, and don't ever shoot anyone with it.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:58 am |
  18. Concerned Parent

    I am a legal gun owner who submitted to background checks, completed the appropriate training, and take gun ownership seriously. As law-abiding citizens we are expected to navigate the labyrinth of conflicting state laws regarding firearms and we do successfully everyday. Although many of these laws are conflicting between neighboring states, we still respect them and abide by them everyday. Let’s make it easy for everyone (including David Gregory) and develop a basic framework across the United States.

    With 300 million firearms in private hands (one-third of them pistols), the overwhelming majority of gun owners ARE responsible, law-abiding citizens, which is why these horrific massacres are not commonplace, but rather horrific outliers that can never be legislated away (e.g. DC, Chicago, and “Gun Free Zones”).

    For several examples for the recent use of firearms for defensive purposes not typically reported by the national media please visit: http://www.equalforce.net please forward this address to others to whom this information may be useful. @forceequalizer

    December 29, 2012 at 11:26 am |
  19. rogerb12b

    I am an Athiest, used to be a Roman Catholic but realized that fairy tales is not something I wanted to believe in. I am tired of how people who believe in their own "gods" try to shove religion down other peoples throat, what I mean is if your religion doen not let you support guns then don't support it but also don't try to change it for everyone else who doesn't see it your way, I don't go around asking for you all's religion to remove crosses from public view because I don't believe and to remove the bible from public places (i.e. Hotels, Bookstores, etc.) so it can only be seen in their respective places of workship, Remember WE ALL ARE BORN ATHEIST, YOU ARE NOT BORN WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THERE IS A GOD, YOUR PARENTS HAVE TO TELL YOU THERE IS A GOD, A DEVIL, HEAVEN AND EARTH... THEN IT BEGINGS.

    December 29, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • TC

      COming from a bitter former Catholic – I guess we will all believe you becasue you seem to know it all now, right? I doubt you ever knew much about your religion before you just wimped out.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You do know what they say about assumptions, don't you, TC?

      December 29, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • TC

      Pipe – be sure to check out my replies to you on the other pages. Lack of humility and maturity is what is holding you back from exchanging good comments but there may be hope for you.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:34 am |
    • niknak

      He does not sound bitter to me TC.
      He sounds logical and is pointing out a fact, which is you are only the religion you are because of where you were born.
      I will assume you are some kind of xtian, only because you were born in a xtian family.
      Had you been born in Egypt you would be some kind of muslim, in India some kind of hindu etc.

      I too was born in a catholic household, but at an early age never believed in fairy tales, god being one of them.
      Just because you do does not make it true.

      So TC, when you can come back with some kind of proof of your imaginary friend, then I will be most open to some "adult conversation" with you.
      Until then, god is just an unproven hypothesis.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • Jeff

      rogerb12b, instead of listening to your parents, you decided to listen to liars tell you stories about the big bang or evolution that you are the survival of the fittest. How's that for building up egos in average person? Then you act like you have no idea why society today is such a mess. Don't work as you are in the workplace, after all, it's the simpletons that should work whereas, I just show up. For all the losers who write on this blog while at work, you are stealing from your employers ... time that you should be working than babbling on this blog.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      TC, I don't need to check your idiotic replies at all. I've seen enough sh!t from you to see that you are an ass wipe from back to front.

      December 29, 2012 at 11:48 am |
    • rogerb12b

      TC look who's talking about lack of humility and maturity LOL, you should read your comments out loud so you can hear them, I don't call people names but you seem to be a radical religionist, like the muslims I fought in both wars. Oh, to answer your concerns now, No I am not bitter I just realized fairy tales are... well... fairy tales. I really don't consider myself a wimp I consider myself having plenty on personal courage by facing fear and adversity and not leaving things to "God's will" I leave it to MY WILL. About knowing about my religion, well considering I was raised in a strong religious family my grandmother would have me sit in the kitchen on the weekends so I could read the bible all day so yeah I can say I have read the whole bible a couple of times, never found it interesting, the only part I liked was Revelations. But thank you for assuming, being childish and trying to insult me, have a good day and make sure you go socialize at church tomorrow, wear your "Sunday's Best".LOL

      December 29, 2012 at 11:52 am |
  20. jeffrey

    Bonnie

    Jesus, while not explicitly condoning the use of violence in self-defense, implicitly suggests the need to be prepared for it when he tells his disciples to buy a sword if they do not have one, “now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

    December 29, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • niknak

      So Jeff, does that mean you get the right to have an assault rifle?
      And if so, then why stop there?
      Maybe you should be able to have a suface to air missle, or AAA, or a thermonuclear device.
      I think that crazy neighbor of yours would love to have a nuke in his basement. I bet you would be really comforted if he had one too, right?

      December 29, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • Tom

      Um, you know that assault rifles have been banned since the 1930s, right? You have no business discussing guns, because you know nothing about them.

      December 29, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
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