By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Editor
(CNN) - One of the most anticipated articles in religion circles will be absent from the pages of the January edition of the Harvard Theological Review. Harvard Divinity School professor Karen King's final article on the "Jesus wife" fragment did not make the scholarly journal because further testing on the Coptic papyrus fragment has not been finished.
King announced the findings of the 1.5-by-3 inch, honey-colored fragment in September at the International Association for Coptic Studies conference in Rome. In a draft version of the article submitted for publication in the January edition, King and her co-author said the scrap had written in Coptic, a language used by Egyptian Christians, "Jesus said to them, 'My wife," but was then cut off.
King said the fragment dates to the 4th century but could be a copy of an early gospel from the 2nd century. King and her research partners dubbed the hypothetical text "the Gospel of Jesus' Wife."
Despite King's insistence, the discovery did not prove anything definitive on the marital status of Jesus.
The announcement of the papyrus scrap exploded in the media.
"The earliest reliable historical tradition is completely silent on that. So we're in the same position we were before it was found. We don't know if [Jesus] was married or not," King told reporters in a conference call from Rome in September.
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A dealer took the fragment to King for analysis and translation in 2011. The dealer wishes to remain anonymous, she said.
"We're moving ahead with the testing, but it is not yet complete, and so the article will await until we have the results," King said in an email to CNN.
"The owner of the fragment has been making arrangements for further testing and analysis of the fragment, including testing by independent laboratories with the resources and specific expertise necessary to produce and interpret reliable results. This testing is still underway," Kathyrn Dodgson, director of communications for the Harvard Divinity School, said in a email to CNN.
"Harvard Theological Review is planning to publish Professor King’s paper after conclusion of all the testing so that the results may be incorporated," Dodgson said. "Until testing is complete, there is nothing more to say at this point."
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In her original article King explained how a papyrus expert had dated the fragment to the right time frame and how an expert on Coptic linguistics said the grammar seemed to fit the time period, as well. But what was untested in the early goings was the ink used on the papyrus.
Elaine Pagels, a professor from Princeton University who is an expert on gnostic writings such as this one, noted to CNN in September "You can find boxes filled with Coptic fragments," but what makes this one significant is for the first time it explicitly has Jesus referring to "my wife."
Faking antiquities is not uncommon, which is part of the reason so many critics questioned the authenticity of a text that potentially went against nearly every other ancient text concerning Jesus. Other scholars refused to comment on the find until the full battery of testing could be completed.
“The academic community has been badly burned,” Douglas A. Campbell, an associate professor of New Testament at Duke Divinity School said in September, noting how similar discoveries have turned out to be fakes. The provenance of the document, "the history of where it came from and how they got it,” was a great concern to Campbell and other academics.
The Vatican newspaper weighed in on the matter in late September mincing no words and calling the fragment “a fake.”
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On the day King announced the fragment, the Smithsonian channel announced it had been working with King for months on a documentary about the find and the authentication process. It had been slated to air in early October but was pulled back.
Tom Hayden, general manager of the Smithsonian channel, said in a statement in October the delay "will enable us to present a richer and more complete story. We will be announcing a new premiere date in the coming weeks."
No announcement has been made as to when the premier will happen.
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God is neither male nor female. God is a force which manifests itself into whomever or whatever one seeking God wants to see. That's what makes God an all powerful God – the creator of all things who gave us the Sun to rule the day, the Moon to rule the night, Mother Earth to sustain life and Father Sky to give us direction. God is Love and within us all in nature's DNA. When one opens their mind to these blessings, one sees that we are all different parts of one whole – God's creation, the Universe.
As a believer in God, you should read Proverbs 2:2-9 and Galatians 3:28 and learn that there are different paths to God.
Even Jesus admitted that Moses told the Israelites a lie because of the hardness of their hearts with regards to divorce and that admission was because Jesus was asked specifically about it – who knows how many more "lies" the Bible contains (Mathew 19:3-12). Those with hardened hearts probably cling to the versus that they feel justify their own hate and ill feelings towards others. God has different messages for different people depending on their level of understanding, and these messages evolve with the times – only God manages the path of judgement. So love all with all your heart and drop the judging and punishments to God and you too will begin to see the light.
Blessed Be in Love and Light.
Truths have means of being proven. Where is the means to prove that God exists?
hinduism absurdity called Christianity, but hindu Mithra ism, racist savior ism in reality, has it's roots in hinduism, criminality, from inception to her existence today, Charity is a mask for hinduism criminality to hind fool humanity, but true face of hindu blood thrusty Frankenstein ism Christianity is recorded in history, How about murder of 100 million native Americans and plundering of their wealth, one ought to br Ashamed to run his hindu filthy business in nuns dress, but it is nothing else, but nature of hindu crooked Christians.
Be you a Christian, or Muslim, all fall prey to Satan and do terrible things. so that question of "how about those natives, is quite mute" you cannot cast the stone at the prost. itute because you killed those natives with us. also Charity that is spouted a-aloud in a square for all to see is not charity, such a man is double-minded in all he does. it's no secret, even to those of no faith that Muslims practice something that questions the moral compass of man. this moral compass that has been set by God, he has written it in our hearts. Many Christians are crooked, as they are man, but what is your excuse for the crooked teachings of your false word? The actions we see in the squable of nations that are guided by Islam are detestable even to those who sit on the fence and do not know the truth. You still have yet to explain why your god does not exhault the nations that follow Islam. Yet God's nations are a light (however all nations except one will crumble)
I have indeed talked to your lord, AWAY! I told him, do not decieve me no more. he has fooled the foolish, those that have nothing to show believe that they have everything. you believe you have understanding, you believe your god is great, but I believe him to be a ruler of a kingdom much less than that of my Lord. I do not need to wear my knees out, nor point my head toward Mecca. I do not have to burn incense to this ruler, I have very little customary rituals. The ruler of the Kingdom I belong to has paid all my taxes for me. I have no fears except for him and his discipline to correct my ways. Why does the woman have to be buried waste deep? because of her sin? you mean your lord has not ransomed you from sin? which is eternal death? he still collects taxes even from the faithful? A good and righteous ruler is kind to his people, and they love him for it. He needs not to collect taxes, for he IS the Alpha and the Omega. So continue to pay the Great Serpent, and see what your return is. You offend and spew poison. But my Lord tell me to rebuke such lies. In my nation (whom God has made an example) You can freely spout your beliefs. In your's dominated by Satan. I would pay with my life. your Ruler is a tyrannt.
If history has taught mankind anything it is that so called atheists are liars and murderers at heart. No comment offered by a self deluded atheist should be given credibility anywhere especially blogs.
liars and murderers? Tell that to the US prison system. 1% atheist, 84% christian.
Oy..being christian or atheist does not instantly make one better or worse morally than the other.
"Believe what I believe or I will proclaim you are a bad person, without any evidence whatsover, which in turn, makes me look like an idiot"
Perhaps it is time for you to grow up.
So the Inquistion; The Crusades; The Flood; The Salem Witch Trials; The Scopes Monkey Trial...to name a few weren't christian? No-one does anything in the name of disbelief...let me clarify that for your one-celled brain: Any of those horrific events I mentioned were all done due to a belief in that christian god (other atrocities have been committed in the name of other gods). We have recorded cases to this day where good christians do horrible things: Andrea Yates was diagnosed with Religious Psychosis because she believed your god wanted her to drown her children; we have cases where medical attention is denied and prayer is chosen instead (thankfully Prayer Healers are usually stopped quickly).
Christians like to bring Stalin and Pol Pot in to the game. This is where the whole 'no-one does anything in the name of disbelief" thing comes in...Stalin might have been an Atheist but he held firm belief's in stuff far more detrimental than not believing in any gods (that is all Atheism is).
I'm sorry, "truth be told", but your assertions regarding atheists are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE), the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "EPIC FAIL".
i want to apologize for being such an immense turd. I probably clog up your toilets when you try to flush. Sorry...
Although I believe Athiests lack the insight, I admire the questioning. even when it has Sarcasm in it. actaully a Question asked with tongue in cheek undertone is often dumbstruck by any one answer of truth.
Really? I can't think of any moment in history where Atheism was the cause of wars, death, and suffering but there is AMPLE information on all the wars, death, destruction, and suffering caused by Christianity alone. Heck, Hitler was a Christian and expounded on Christian values which was behind his crazy the greatest race malarky and was used as partial justification for the persecution of the Jewish people. So again, please reveal exactly how atheism is bad and Christianity is even remotely good.
You are clearly not very familiar with the history of Christianity.
How about all of the murders committed by people in the name of a so-called god and his son? Heard of the crusades? The Inquisition? Mass murder and ethnic cleansing...very 'christian'.
As Jesus said, "What is that to thee, follow thou me." I don't believe he was married. However, so what if he was. Follow his teachings. That's what matters. It doesn't matter how many siblings he had or what color his hair was or how tall he was or anything else that researchers "ponder." Ponder the word of God.
It doesn't matter to me, either.
"When Jesus is asked what is the summary of the law, he does not give doctrinal answers. He does not say he wants to believe certain things. He does not offer half of the rationale that the most Orthodox Christians and the most rabid fundamentalists offer. Jesus answers that question very simply: you shall love the Lord, thy God, with all of your heart, soul, mind and strength, and your neighbor as yourself. On these two, says Jesus, hang all the laws of the prophets. "
– Peter Gomes
Jesus did have a wife, the church. He said so himself
I don't imagine it will matter much to most forms of Christianity once the shake-up was over, but I would think the Catholic church would need to review its policies quite thoroughly.
Jesus spoke of his brother and his mother being everyone. He spoke often in metaphors and allegorical terms to make a point. He could have easily been saying "My wife is mother earth" or "My wife is the spirit of God". You never know. Here is Matthew 12: 46While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”48He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
So if he had a Christian wife he was really screwing his sister?
And his Mom was a virgin?
'So if he had a Christian wife he was really screwing his sister?
And his Mom was a virgin?'
well apparently he was his own father.
So you're saying Jesus was not only an incestuous predator, but he was gay too.
I bet this is just the first "take my wife please" joke.
LOL ... I bet you're right!
I think he had a boyfriend.
Brave statement. And what if it is all 100% true. You are willing to take a chance at talking trash against your creator that loves you, for a brief moment of self service on this little pebble we call earth? What are you going to say when you are held to account? I know, it's a joke. But it's also blasphemous, and that ain't cool. I'm just sayin', if there's a 1% chance it's all true, are you really willing to sacrifice eternity for getting what you want here on this earth, for the tiny, tiny amount of time you will be here?
Barney boy, stuff it
Christ was gay as a blade
30 some odd years old, hang out with a dozen long haired dudes living in caves and never nailed a groupie?
Hung out with his mom?
GAYDAR ALERT!! ALERT ALERT!!!
William: It's ok dude. It's of very high character for you to spew ridiculousness about something you haven't taken the time to look into at all. Hopefully you don't have the same strong, baseless opinions about everything in your life. Or do you? God loves you either way bro. All he's asking is to give him a chance. You'll be happier, but don't take my word for it, and don't rely on anyone else to show you. Read the first 4 books of the New Testament (Jesus's ministry). It's brilliant. You're mind will get rocked. Seriously, it's pretty cool. But if not, so be it. I respect people that have opinions on things they know nothing about.
i think he had 12 of em.....
Do you by any chance live in a van down by the river?
I think the guy with the pointy hat in Rome telling everyone recently about what pets were present when the carpenter was born was just a warm-up for having to tell them soon that the carpenter had a wife. I get the feeling the wife was for show and he had a boyfriend from reading that book of gossip. I think Michaelangelo might have thought so too judging by the dinner party picture.
There are many references to a disciple termed "the one Jesus loved" who sleeps in the room with him and lays their head on his breast. This was always said to be Judas, but modern evidence points toward it being the disciple Mary.
The gospel of Mark states clearly that Jesus sleeps with a young naked boy, but some have taken this to be a regretful alteration to hide the fact he sleeps with a woman. Either way, Uncle Jeebus was gettin him some.
@Seyedibar- plz cite your references
What you are all saying is complete foolishness and slander against Christ. Totally ridiculous. Educate yourself before you try and lead others astray. Matthew 8:16 "But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea." Make no mistake, anyone that directly influences others, child or not, to sin....they are in trouble. Making up fabrications about the ministry of Jesus Christ is doing just that. Jesus is good. Why do you blast him? Oh yeah...you are a typical fool who cannot stand to believe that there are things greater than yourself out there, unwilling to try to understand more deeply who God is, who Christ is, and why so many have given their hearts to him. It doesn't mean having to be perfect, it means the admission of imperfection, and walking your life knowing that you are loved, and that God gave His son to die for you.
I believe that there are things out there greater than myself, but that your god is beneath me.
"...But the youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him. And going out of the tomb they came into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days Jesus told him what to do and in the evening the youth comes to him, wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the kingdom of God. And thence, arising, he returned to the other side of the Jordan.' Mark10:34
"And the sister of the youth whom Jesus loved and his mother and Salome were there, and Jesus did not receive them." Mark10:46
The naked boy is next seen in Jesus' tomb when the disciples open it.
Wow. You must be a very righteous man then. Congrats.
Like i said, if you're searching for truth in a story about sorcery and gods and zombies, then you're missing the point of it all.
@Seyedibar- when trying to make up stuff, at least try to make it seem plausible.
And citing sources are important to those who like little things like facts. When you just make stuff up, you are an idiot that has no real point.
Sorry. Which part did I invent?
I would suggest you reread the citations you gave for Mark. I think you can figure it out yourself.
@Seyedibar – Good story, except it is a totally made up lie and a bad one at that. Nowhere in the Bible is anything like that written. "Facts" you say. Bwahaaa! Credibility = 0. I feel bad for you bro. But hey, you have every right to have an unteachable spirit and total arrogance against Christ who came and served this world, then died for us. He died for you.
@Seyedibar – Just wondering how it feels to be controlled by whatever has it's foothold on you. You must be at peace. So apparent.
Ah, I see your dilemma. i'm going to guess that you're reading from the King James version. You do realize that there are many versions and books of the New Testament, and the James version must be the most crudely edited of them all. Perhaps it is you who are missing the very point of this article.
If the first phrase in your bible is "In the Beginning..." you're already doing it wrong.
I find it amusing that christians are so willing to follow the words in their bibles as fact, yet are so unwilling to study the bible in it's antique form. And you think you worship one god, when you're worshiping about 60 pharoahs. It's cute.
Not all Christians.
Just like not all atheists are smug.
@Seyedibar – Stop coming to conclusions based on nothing. Of course there are many version of the bible, none of which have the ridiculous words you wrote in this blog. Liars are cowards. Period.
I disagree. All atheists are smug.
@Seyedibar – It won't be amusing to you when at the end of your life you don't know what's going to happen to you, that's for sure. You never gave anything a chance and lived your life judging everything around you because you know it all, and if you don't, you are a skilled manipulator and liar....as proven in this blog.
Talking donkeys. That's about all one should have to say to a Christian trying to prove the bible is fact.
@Seyedibar- "I see your dilemma. i'm going to guess that you're reading from the King James version."
Um..no. Your guess would be incorrect.
"You do realize that there are many versions and books of the New Testament, and the James version must be the most crudely edited of them all. Perhaps it is you who are missing the very point of this article."
Most people know their are many versions. As to it's "crudeness" that is your opinion. No better than the judges on The Voice over what sound good.
"I find it amusing that christians are so willing to follow the words in their bibles as fact,"
Who said that? I find it amusing that certain ppl on here say they are so focused on facts that they think it's ok to create falsehoods like you have done.
"And you think you worship one god, when you're worshiping about 60 pharoahs. It's cute."
Odd...I never said what I worshipped..if anything at all. Do you always presume when you don't know what you are talking about?
@Seyedibar – Ah, just like trying to prove it isn't eh? So, let me ask you, do you love your mom (or anyone that you profess to love)? OK. Prove it. Ding ding ding....there's your answer. You can't. If you try to, I can be just as good as the next person shooting holes in it. It's faith dude. It isn't blind. It took me a loooong time to get closer to God, just like any relationship. But I never shut it out completely. Don't focus on crazy Christians who give Christ a bad name. Focus on Christ himself...that's the key. God Bless you. I actually have enjoyed this but have to run. Write what you must. Peace.
"That's about all one should have to say to a Christian trying to prove the bible is fact."
So..if one thing isn't factual....then we should ignore everything else completely?
Ok, you gave inaccurate facts. So I guess that means you have nothing worhtwhile to say about anything at all. You sure you want to go with that logic?
@ pete, I believe my God loves you... and will be very sad to see you be erased from existence.
Know your place, before selecting place of son of blessed Mary in your hinduism, ignorance.
WHAT ARE HUMAN
Human are spirits in state of physical experience, not to be identified by their physical appearance but by their way, only visible in understanding to learn one’s intentions and essence of his or her path. State of their own choice in Hinduism, in denial of fact, truth absolute Allah, as programmed in human ruh, spirit with gift of choice in a limited capacity, or Abdullah, in subordination of truth absolute Allah, source of human spirit, depending on one’s self ability to overcome his soul, desire, NAFS, worshiped as gode’s by hindu’s in hindrance to truth absolute Allah, the merciful, ordained as essence of human by pot head hindu sanatan’s, ignorant secular goon man god’s of hindu’s, ignorant human, beside human physics, race, color and creed to be the most important part of being human by any means, foundation of Hinduism racism as faith. Foundation, not being the truth, but wisdom, known as gods Isis in hindu dark ages and worshipped as Kumari, represented as third eye on hindu female fore head. Hinduism, an illegality without any limits spewed in denial of truth absolute, essence of existence to deny accountability for their Hinduism, illegality.
Human are blessed with eye’s, but contrary to popular belief in hind, ignorance, human have no capacity to see things physically but only through spirituality, enshrined in program of his or her ruh, spirit. Eyes are nothing more than a medium, such as a scanner, a medium for a processor to recognize matter already programmed in data base, in human case, the brain. Quantified as Noor, light, or recognition to be alive or functional.
By quantum physics, everything is dependent on dark matter or program, otherwise known as Spirit, truth of human to be in physical form. Spirit, programs appears in male body after reaching age of puberty by will of Allah, certain matter from blood of man is attracted to spirit on 125 volts. produced by function of human body, after attachment of matter to spirit, matter takes form of a sperm, a living being, transferred to woman's body to grow into human form according to spirit, program, otherwise known as seeded, not physically but spiritually way programmed. Woman has no other function in human life but to mother a child, a greatest service, man cannot do without, reason for a children to carry their fathers name. Heritage of person is physically attached to man's linage, not a woman.
Does God build nations? does he make believers succeed in their righteous doings? does God help the poor, and will he lift them up high? will he make the an example for the other nations of the world? do you find this true of allah? Why then is it that the nations who've credited Christian teachings and morals as a basis of law have a foundation of stone, while the nations that had the 'second say' have foundations of clay and mud? Satan has heard the truth, and has used these nations to push his most deceitful plan. My God, the God of Israel and indeed the world has made Israel the light within and sorrounded by the nations of a lie.
"...after attachment of matter to spirit, matter takes form of a sperm, a living being.."
is it safe to assume you are against use of contra ceptives?
Seed is source of grown up human, no seed, no crop, kill a sperm, it kill a human, no different. Absent, absent, absent.
Really Stupid Person, you also need an egg to make a life. If all you have is sperm nothing will happen.
Egg is muted, sperm is alive, egg is nothing more than a medium for a sperm to grow into a form, as it is programmed, hindu, ignorant, no sperm, no human.
No egg no human
Egg, Just a medium, no more, no less.
ok make a human with just some sperm then.
Pair was created by Lord, truth absolute, I am not, what you seek me to be, in your hinduism, ignorance, nor are you, but dependent on truth absolute to be, seek not from me, nor any one else to have power to do, what you seek, i am just a student of, what HE, created. hindu, ignorant. There is no one out there worthy to bow for a human, but HIM, truth absolute, LOrD GOD of the word.
Is that why Muslim culture values Woman like they do? with little regard?
It just looks clean to me. Too clean.
It looks like a trinket you would buy at a souvenir shop.
I must say that this is entertaining. Of course, anything that even remotely challenges the current views will be wildly debated. Christians have their minds made up that they believe certain things that were written down and then copied over and over for over two thousand years. I hope Jesus had a wife. But him being a virgin plays into the whole story quite well, doesn't it? And even THAT could be debated in many ways that they wouldn't print.
Please don't presume to speak for all Christians. By "my wife," Jesus could have been referring to the Church. But if it turns out he actually took a woman as his wife, it would not destroy my belief. I trust there are a great many details to which none of us are privy. This one, though doubtful and contrary to previous understanding, would not rock the foundation in the way you suggest.
cnnmembuh; I didn't say it would 'rock the foundation'. I said it would be wildly debated, which it would. Lord save us from the over reactions of those who respond indignantly when one word is left out; in this case I should have said 'many' Christians, instead of most. My apologies for not considering your sensitivity to the issue. Ha!!
"Jesus said to them, 'My wife," but was then cut off. I bet the second part read; is a pain in the a$$.
You know what this means don't you? If they do prove it's genuine and can prove Jesus was married, then there's going to be the question of children. Which is going to have all sorts of people scrambling through DNA samples and searching for the descendants of Jesus. And suppose, just suppose that somewhere they actually discover a tomb clearly labeled Jesus Christ of Nazareth or some such and get a DNA sample. Won't THAT set off a firestorm in the Middle East. LOL.
nah. religious people rarely ever let reality intrude on their beliefs. look at the whole creation debacle.
His wife might have been one of those dinosaurs he rode....
Jeesh willy...annoying much?
If memory serves, there are New Testament allusions to the church being Christ's wife.
Bingo! and he would take them as his Bride, this is not new to many who walk in the light and who have gained understanding.
There are two early gospels that mention Jesus' wife. He even cracks a joke about how taking this wife, the neighbors will finally stop accusing them of living in sin.
But if you're looking for truth in a story about sorcerors and gods and the living dead, then you're far too gullible to be the one that sorts it out.
the rest of the fragment clearly suggests he isnt talking about the church but more likely about a person.
considering an actual historical jesus is still debated, a wife would lend credence to his existence.
Actually Jesus' existence is not seriously debated at all. The vast majority of serious and recognized scholars all agree that that he did, in fact, exist. The only people who don't accept it as fact are arrogant, die-hard atheists who have too much time on their hands and just like to be a pain in the butt.
as long as papyrus was not discovered by general Moshe Dayan, I think it is original
Based on your name, I believe you know I can go to a bazzar outside of Cairo and have a papyrus made up saying ANYTHING I like at all.
That is why ALL religious writings are not worth the rags they are written on.
Perhaps it would be better for ALL of us, if the ignorance of the past might be left in the past???
hahahahahahahahahaahha you gotta love it.....any bazaar in Cairo will get you something printed on it that looks genuine...come on people its all a joke, the bible thing is just a piece of fiction, it was supposed to be taken as a joke and people actually believe it.....get real.
Though it is a very unpopular opinion whether Muslim or Christian, I had always just assumed that Jesus Christ was married. It is not big deal.
well my friend, how many "Coptic linguistics Experts" are you going to find in a bazaar outside of Cairo? There are chances it could be FAKE, but you can't call it fake because it claims Jesus was married, for me papyrus finding is more important than Jesus's celibacy
It would be interesting to me if he was. A lot of the gospels demonstrate Jesus was very human. He did human things, like get tempted and lose his temper.
Whatever happened to gods wife. For a long time in Isreal, they worshipped both, then they realized you should have no one before god, and the practice went away. Did god get a divorce?
Where in the Bible does it mention God's wife?
she left him and went to live in another universe - that's why he's so angry. s.exual frustration...
No where. But the bible was created by men.
Archeological digs have found idols for both god and his wife, dating back to near the "begining" of Isreal. They clearly worshipped both.
Where in the bible does Christ claim to be God?
Where in the Bible does God say if we are good he wont wipe out one third of all the lives on the planet?
And Jesus said to them, "My wife, Ralph".........it was a gay wedding announcement.
Where in the Bible does it mention the IPAD?
"No where. But the bible was created by men."
Obviously I disagree. :)
"Archeological digs have found idols for both god and his wife, dating back to near the "begining" of Isreal. They clearly worshipped both."
I'm not saying they didn't. The Jews worshipped a lot of false gods. Nothing new there. But if they used a source outside of the scriptures, then it was their own fault when they were wrong. I'd never heard there was worship of god's wife. The whole thing is especially silly to me since the Bible says in Heaven we will neither marry or be given in marriage.
"Where in the bible does Christ claim to be God?"
Is that a serious question?
You claim the jews worshipped false gods, but your bible was written mainly by jews. Why then would you assume they were right about this particular god, or for that matter, why do you believe in your god above all of the other gods men have created.
Look at islam for instance. The tribes worshipped one god for every day of the year. Mohamed comes along and chose one of them and proclaimed it as "the one true" god. How did he choose out of the other 364 of them?
It is all about male mysoginy. :)
"Christ said his Kingdom is not of this world" and the jews worship the same God as Christians, however they do not like to believe the new testament, they are still waiting for the "true Messiah to come" but that it wasn't Jesus Christ. The Torah is mainly the Old testament.
At the time of the writing of the Bible Canada was also not of Jeebus's world
Perhaps God was just a Canadian?
Fair questions. I'll try to answer as best I can ...
"You claim the jews worshipped false gods, but your bible was written mainly by jews. Why then would you assume they were right about this particular god, ..."
Well, because I believe the Bible is true, as a starting point. It claims to be the word of God. He reveals Himself through it. And I believe it is true because it is a reliable collection of historical docu.ments written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses who claimed to see and experience supernatural events. We can go really deep into this (though it will have to be another day. I have to go to work soon). But just take for instance the eyewitnesses. What they wrote down was witnessed by others who were still around so that if the author stretched the truth or even flat-out lied, they would be called on it. Sort of an automatic bull-detector.
" ... or for that matter, why do you believe in your god above all of the other gods men have created."
Well, I reject any insinuation man created the God of the Bible. But I'll tell you why I believe Christianity is true over all other religions. I knew, via my conscience, that there is a God. And that I had committed sins against Him. I didn't need the Bible to tell me this. I didn't grow up in the church. So here I sat with a sin problem. When I looked into other religions (yeah, I checked out others first) none of them had an answer for this. NONE. All of the rest said that you could work your way there or that there is really nothing or there is reincarnation. Only Christianity explains how to be redeemed from my sins. You can take every religion in the world and put it into one of two categories. 1. Do good works and maybe you'll go to Heaven (or whatever place that is for that religion.) 2. The work has already been done for you. Christianity goes into the second one by itself. It is there alone. You and I have sinned against God and deserve to be punished because God is just. But He is also loving and so came and paid our fines on the cross. The work is done. How wonderful is that?!
"Look at islam for instance. The tribes worshipped one god for every day of the year. Mohamed comes along and chose one of them and proclaimed it as "the one true" god. How did he choose out of the other 364 of them?"
I won't proclaim to be an Islam scholar, so I have no idea how Mohammed came to believe the things he believed. But I do know that he can't be right if Christ is right. The two religions are diametrically opposed.
Really??- "Archeological digs have found idols for both god and his wife, dating back to near the "begining" of Isreal. They clearly worshipped both."
Eh..that was unique to Judea and well before the time of Jesus. Yahweh and his Asherah was most likely worshipped in the rural areas and not very widespread. It was most def not the main form of worship in the Jewish religion centered in Jerusalem.
Topher, you are the richest man in this forum.
Thanks, Canada. What provence are you from? My family moved to the states from a suburb of Montreal in the 1870s.
To everyone: Gotta be off. Have a great day and God bless!
The digs were in Jeruselem
@Really??- "The digs were in Jeruselem"
Got a citation? Would like to read up on it.
Jesus said to them, 'My wife," but was then cut off..",,,,,,well my research says tearing off marriage certificate into two pieces was the quickest way of divorcing wives back then
Well, this clearly shows he was married. And Jesus said my wife and then was cut off. Off course he was cut off, he probably didn't say it properly and she corrected him, interrupting him. I'm sure it wasn't the first time he was "cut off"
Well...the open minded jerks are in full force.
Define open minded
I really prefer "open minded woman"
Once upon a time...
debating whether Jesus had a wife is akin to debating whether Hercules had a wife. both mythological figures.
christians, unclasp your hands, get up off your knees, think for yourself, go outside and put those hands to use helping your brothers and sisters around the world.
congratulations, you're now a better person.
Debating Jesus having a wife is akin to debating if Tim Tebow has a girlfreind.
If it quacks like a duck!
I suspect they BOTH had boyfreinds
@William – Well that brings a "hole" new meaning to the term "Getting Tebowed"...
"go outside and put those hands to use helping your brothers and sisters around the world."
Or stay inside and type your anger and frustrations like funky here.
little of column A, little of column B...
>put those hands to use helping your brothers and sisters around the world.
I'm part of a Christian group that actually does this. And we pray, too.
Hercules was an actual king of Argos around 1700 BCE. Yahweh (Jehovah) was a line a of Hyksos kings at that same time. As there was nothing heavenly about them or any of the other 62 gods mentioned in the bible, we can easily presume the same of Jesus, who worships these gods. To be possibly based on a real politician, with the miracles and supernatural benefits being borrowed from surrounding legends.
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