Editor’s note: Johnnie Moore is the author of Dirty God (#DirtyGod). He is a professor of religion and vice president at Liberty University. Keep track of him @johnnieM .
By Johnnie Moore, Special to CNN
(CNN) - Jesus was a lot more like you than you think, and a lot less clean cut than this iconic image of him that floats around culture.
You know the image. It’s the one where Jesus is walking like he’s floating in robes of pristine white followed by birds singing some holy little ditty. He’s polished, manicured, and clearly – God.
But despite the Christian belief that Jesus was both fully God and fully man, Jesus was a rather dirty God.
He was the “earthly” son of a carpenter, and life in the first-century was both more lurid and unfinished than our collective religious memory seems to recall.
To that end, I suggested recently to several astounded colleagues of mine that Jesus actually had to go to the bathroom, perhaps even on the side of the road between Capernaum and Jerusalem.
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What tipped them over the edge was when I insinuated that Jesus, like almost every other human being living in the rural world in that time, might have even had dysentery on an occasion or two.
Someone said, “You mean that Jesus might have had severe diarrhea?”
“Yep,” I replied, “That’s exactly what I mean.”
It seems like an obvious statement if you believe that Jesus was “fully God” and “fully man” (as most evangelicals believe and call the Incarnation), but to some of us it seems in the least, inappropriate, and at the most, sacrilege, to imagine Jesus in this way. We might believe that God was also man, but we picture him with an ever-present halo over his head.
But, actually, the Jesus of the Bible was more human than most people are conditioned to think.
I call this the dirty side of Jesus. He was grittier, and a lot more like us than maybe we believe, and that’s one of the reasons why so many thousands of people followed him so quickly.
They could relate to him.
He was the teacher from a small town who knew and understood the economic insecurity that was common in the first century. Times must have been rather tough for Jesus at points in his life, for he even spoke of being homeless, having to sleep on the ground with no roof over his head.
He also knew what it was like to have his message rejected and how it felt to be misunderstood. Jesus was regarded with such little significance in his hometown that one of his critics once remarked sardonically, “Isn’t this the carpenter’s son?” Jesus eventually had to move to different city (Capernaum) because his teachings so infuriated the people living in his hometown that they drove him out of Nazareth and even tried to throw him off a cliff.
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The real Jesus had dirt underneath his fingernails and calluses on his hands. He probably smelled badly from sweating profusely in the Judean sun on his long hikes to Jerusalem, and Jesus was, without a doubt, rumored to be a hypocrite or absolutely mad for all the time he spent with prostitutes and those afflicted with leprosy.
Not exactly have a clean-cut image.
He had a rather shady reputation.
Some people thought he was a revolutionary. The religious leaders called him a heretic, and others even accused him of being a drunkard and a glutton - in no small part because of the vagabond group of disciples he had with him. No serious religious leader of his day would have ever recruited such people.
For his core 12 disciples, Jesus included a tough-as-nails, bombastic fisherman (Peter), a chief tax collector named Matthew (the most hated popular figure of the time), an eventual traitor who was stealing money out of the offering bucket (Judas), a prolific doubter (Thomas), two jocks nicknamed the “Sons of Thunder” (James and John) and Simon the Zealot, a member of a radical political party which believed in using violence to kick out the Romans.
Jesus was sarcastic, too.
He often snapped back at the Pharisees with a tone fit for late-night television, and in a terribly embarrassing moment for all those around him, Jesus even called these respected religious teachers “snakes” that were probably sons of “Satan.”
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That’s not exactly the behavior of a sweet, self-help teacher with a halo over his head.
It’s the behavior of a frustrated man who might also be divine, but sure knows how it feels for annoying people to get under his skin.
Christians believe that Jesus chose to be born fully human, too, but why?
Lots of theologians have laid out opinions over the centuries, and in their opining they have tried once again to hijack Jesus’ humanity by defining it in philosophical terms. I believe it’s simpler than the philosophy and church councils and centuries of argument.
The brilliance of Christianity is the image of a God, named Jesus, arrived with dirty hands.
Jesus came in a time period when Greco-Roman gods were housed in gigantic temples and portrayed with superhuman powers and with superhuman physiques. Gods were believed to be far away from people on their mountains or hemmed up in their sanctuaries.
Jesus arrived in defiance of this prevailing imagery.
Jesus didn’t come flinging lightning bolts from a mountaintop, or playing politics in Rome. He came to live in a typical Middle Eastern village called Nazareth that was home to a couple hundred typical people. He didn’t decide to brandish his power, but to spend most of his time with the powerless and disenfranchised. And when he started a religious movement that reshaped history, he did it in the most profound and anticlimatic way:
He let himself be killed, and then he busted open a tomb.
In Jesus we meet a Savior who understood the desire to sleep just a few more hours, and who had to control his temper sometimes. In Jesus we find a God we can relate to because he chose to relate to us.
He was the God who became dirty so that the world’s souls might be made clean.
The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Johnnie Moore.
So, when you're confronted with facts you don't like, you just start making s.hit up. Nice.
Hmmm. This was in reply to a post below making ridiculous claims concerning Kosher dietary protocols. Don't know why it wound up on its own.
1. God is not "dirty". That is a very incorrect theological statement. Jesus is fully God AND fully man. To claim that Jesus's divine nature is some how dirty because of His human nature shows a clear lack of understanding of the hypostatic union(makeup) of Jesus Christ .
2. You are "assuming" Jesus had dysentery with zero proof or evidence. To make such a claim that Jesus was sick, while he was out healing thousands flies in the face off all things logical.
3. You are "assuming" Jesus smelled badly and urinated on the sides of roads. The construction of the pyramids is still a great mystery yet you can tell us how Jesus smelled and where He actually urinated. Amazing.
4. The reality is Jesus DID have a clean cut image in terms of who He was and He did not have a shady image. It was "us". Mankind who had and still do have a disgustingly dirty image and are shady. Living in utter rebellion against God. Haters and rejectors of God.
5. It is better served, to not write seeker sensitive type articles that try to make Jesus seem "more like us", in attempt to get people to believe in Him. Did Jesus experience many of the same things as us? Yes, but to say Jesus was like us in ANY fashion is not biblical. It lowers His deity, it lowers the righteousness of God and it lifts us up instead. Which is completely anti-Christian and unbiblical.
You just took the FUN out of Fundamentalist.
Apparently, reading isn't your long suit. Maybe consider "Hooked on Phonics"; I've heard it can help.
And I am glad it CAN NOT be TAUGHT in public schools in the US according to the courts
Well if they find some 2,000 year old human scat in the Middle East, that glows brightly and is indestructible, harder then Diamonds ....Would that be proof of Jesus being around and being God?
If one of Jesus' petrified t.urds is found, I'm sure you'll build a shrine around it and venerate it.
But Jetics I leave you to go back to your clean cut perfect right wing Republican Jesus. A Jesus for everyone folks just mix and match and create him in your own image. For only $29.95
So those who don't believe what you do are disgusting and shady? This is why people have increasingly little respect or use for zealots.
God created s.hit. You should venerate it. Maybe roll in it a little.
I'm sorry, "JeticsLeague", but "God" is an element of mythology, therefore your assertions are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE), the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".
You're "assuming" there is a god at all. With zero proof or evidence.
If Horse droppings are good for the Roses....What would Jesus Dropping do for the Roses??
If you're looking for PROOF of the nature of man's heart simply reading the replies to what was stated earlier should be plenty. The vitriol that is displayed is astounding. What is more astounding is the false humility and fake intentions of the heart that are displayed by the same people who are injecting their opinion with such vitriol. This also shows the nature of the human heart. This is why Jesus came. To save us from God's wrath, to take the punishment we rightfully deserved for living in sinful rebellion against God. This is what the author left out. This is the only message of the Christian. That God loves us all and wants us to repent and believe in the savior so we can be brought back into union with Him. However, man is in such rebellion against God that apparently this message of Love is construed as Hatred.
He left it out because it isn't "nice". Because it isn't what people "want" to hear. Because he may lose friends. Because people may not pick up his seeker sensitive book. Because offending God is easier than offending people. He attempted a hat tip towards the end of the article but didn't fully commit to explaining why Jesus even came. Or why the pharisees of His time rejected Him. It's seeker sensitive and it is anti-biblical.
It seems this Jesus fellow has caused quite a stir. He took the golden rule "do unto others" from the cerebral state and coined the spiritual and morally perfect "love thy neighbor as thyself". He proclaimed it the greatest commandment the same as loving the All Mighty with all your heart, mind, and soul. He then walked the walk. As CS Lewis pointed out -If you are stuck in a hole who are you going to listen to, someone in the hole with you, someone that is not in the hole, or someone that was in the hole, but climbed out and is now reaching back for you?
Praise the Lord and past the ammunition....That is the Christian belief today I guess...
If you are commanded to love a deity with all of your mind, body and soul, how much does that leave for your friends and family?
Jesus said you can only serve one master.....so is it going to be God, NRA, Grover Norquest....
Absolutely terrific article. Christians, in particular, need to be reminded of the dichotomous nature of God. He is at once The Creator, full of power, majesty and ready to work miracles. But we expect that of Him, don't we? We are so often disappointed when this Power doesn't "come through" for us in the way that we (let's be frank) demand. However, what's perhaps more amazing yet, He totally set the bar for humility, loving people so that He veiled His 'right-handed' power in the get-up of a suffering and slightly crass carpenter whose buddies were a rag-tag bunch of 'real' people. But here's the kicker–not only did He show us how to live and really love, but without this ultimate act of selflessness (from majesty to manhood), there's no healing, no promise of eternal life, no salvation. Being a Christian isn't about expecting God to bail you out all the time and make you rich and successful in this life. I would submit that, like Christ, it is more about speaking God's truth in love and patiently enduring suffering, looking to Him as an example. We should also be the first ones to remember that without Christ's archetypal humility, we are just as hopeless as the next guy/girl.
Jesus came and lived in this world as a man. He suffered through everything that you or I would suffer, only a lot more. The Passion of the Christ depicts Jesus experiencing great pains. This image of Jesus that many have of him having long beautiful hair and bright blue eyes is just not true.
The idea that Jesus was born of a virgin from a god and imbued with miraculous healing powers and then rose from the dead is also not true. Doesn't seem to leave much left to believe in beyond some conflicting parables about violence and anti-violence.
This article was clearly an effort to earn this weeks pay check. There is nothing of any value here at all, essentially this is play ground talk between little children.
Suffer the little children to come unto me, for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven.
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CNN you should be ashamed for publishing this article. This is a Chrsitian nation and you are discarding it. Are any of you on the staff Christian? If so let them not bellitle God for a pay check. JESUS.
The USA is not a chrsitian nation.
We are no longer the same Christian Nation of the Pilgrims...do you really want to go back to that life?....are we going to act like the people of Salem MA..and have Witch Trials.....What about the Native Americans that lived here before us..They acted like better Christians by helping the first settlers to survive the hard winters...but The Good Christians took their lands and killed them off.....Hmmm
The USA is not and never has been a christian nation.
According to who???
What do you mean by "Christian nation"? Is that like Iran is a Muslim nation or are you just another liar for Jeeesus?
So we are a Theocracy then Tommy boy? Guess again, we are a democratic republic and a secular one at that.
The US is NOT a christian nation. Thousands have died to keep it from ever becoming one. And you'll have to wade through thousands more if that's what you seek.
Keep the Founder's vision pure.
Wait! Come again! Ahem Ahem! USA a Christian nation. That is the biggest joke of 2013. Next what, KuKu clan are legitimate party?
Complete idiocy and ignorance but hey this is CNN and this only proves they SUCK!!!
Once you realize that the USA is not a Christian nation, all of our lives can begin getting better. Religion creates hate.
I smell something here. Like some bad food or something. Almost smells like someone claiming that the U.S. is or ever was a Christian nation, which of course it is NOT AND NEVER WAS.
I'm sorry "tom johnson", but "God" is an element of mythology. Furthermore, "tom johnson", the United States of American is not entirely a Christian nation, nor was it ever entirely a Christian nation, nor was it founded on the Christian religion. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE), the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "EPIC FAIL".
Tom is actually correct. This country's roots are steeped in Christian, biblical, principles. In fact the very first bible that was ever printed in the USA was printed by and paid for the by the government, authorized by Congress. It is called the Aitken's Bible (1782) and it is one of the rarest bibles in the world. This same bible was sent to every school in the nation. Yes. School. I'll say it again. SCHOOL. Despite history revisionist and haters of God attempting to thwart the truth of this nation, it is historic FACT. We still have this bible, authorized by Congress.
We also have the Plymouth Monument which is the largest granite monument in the WORLD, located in Plymouth, Massachusetts. A national monument that was dedicated to the forefathers of this country. The Mayflower pilgrims, better known as the puritans who escaped England/Holland due to Roman Catholic persecution. They fled to the US for religious freedom. This monument is a "biblical" monument. It consists of the matrix of liberty. Speaks of Faith, Justice, Morality. It speaks against tyranny. 2 tablets representing the 10 commandments (LAW) are on it. It is undeniably a masterpiece that speaks to the foundation of this country but is hidden behind overgrown pine trees and the will of man to kick God out of this country. If Americans knew of the brutality the pilgrims, men women and children faced in order for this country to be founded perhaps they would not be in such a hurry to throw God out of the land.
Christian like to think that the principles of freedom that our government was founded on are "owned" by Christianity. sure most of the founders were Christian. But what people seem to forget (or never learned in school), is that our government was not founded on Christianity at all specifically because of feuding between Christians. The key framers were very Deist-thinking Christians – this is evident in their writings -especially their writings about how the government should work.
The following shows some of their views on religious troubles and the newly established government. I feel these are more important than the more general proclamations made during that time that were celebratory, or intended as political appeals to the more fundamentalist constituency.
Listen to James Madison, POTUS #4, and the chief architect of the U.S. Constitution & the Bill of Rights that would become several of the Amendments, including the 1st:
During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.
(A Memorial and Remonstrance – delivered to the Virginia General Assembly in 1785.)
Listen to John Adams, POTUS #2:
I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved – the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced! With the rational respect that is due to it, knavish priests have added prostitutions of it, that fill or might fill the blackest and bloodiest pages of human history. "
(in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, 09/03/1816)
The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.
Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind.
(from A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America [1787-1788])
Listen to Ben Franklin:
Some books against Deism fell into my hands; they were said to be the substance of the sermons which had been preached at Boyle’s Lectures. It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them. For the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to be much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist.
(from his Autobiography)
Thomas Paine was very Deistic. He witness Quakers being hung in Massachusetts by other Christians:
I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church. All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
Thomas Jefferson had his own Deistic version of the Bible.
Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
(from Notes on the State of Virginia)
Of course Deism holds to the belief of God as the creator of the universe. But many Deists also believed that God did not interfere with the lives of his creation. And many Deists disbelieved in all of the "magic" in the Bible – some of them refuting the Bible and Christianity completely.
Jefferson, Washington, Adams, Paine, Mason & Madison all witnessed the violent persecution between Christian sects in their home states around the time the government was being established. So it is of no surprise that they needed a secular government and they knew the only way to enforce freedom of religion was to keep religion out of the government as much as possible.
Listen to James Madison speak about the need for the need to keep religion out of government (Jefferson wasn't the only one to explicitly speak of the separation of church and state):
Every new & successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance. And I have no doubt that every new example, will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt. will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.
The Civil Govt, tho' bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability and performs its functions with complete success, Whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the Priesthood, & the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the Church from the State.
(from letters to Edward Livingston and Robert Walsh)
Madison as president vetoed two bills that he believed would violate the separation of church and state. He also came to oppose the long-established practice of employing chaplains at public expense in the House of Representatives and Senate on the grounds that it violated the separation of church and state and the principles of religious freedom. (Library of Congress – James Madison Papers – Detached memorandum, ca. 1823.)
Our most recent constitutional Amendment, number 27, adopted in 1992, was first introduced by James Madison in 1789.
President John Adams and the U.S. Senate on behalf of the U.S.
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;
(from Article 11 of the U.S. treaty ratified with Tripoli in 1797)
The author in this article shows a complete ignorance of kosher law. Jews were commanded to be clean. In modern times this has very little meaning. In ancient times this was MANDATORY in the Jewish faith. This means Kosher food AND kosher preparation of that food AND in the act of consuming that food (IE wash your hands before eating and after bodily functions). This was not common among non Jews. The incident of food born illnesses in the Jewish community was much less pronounced. This was so pronounced that during the black plague of the 1300's Jews died far less often than non Jews . Quite often Nostradamus ( a Jew) would improve a communities' lot simply by introducing kosher cleanliness rules.
There is a point here. In two instances Jesus admonishes gentiles for not offering him a bowl of water and cloth as soon as he walks into their house, as if this is a custom he is used to.
True. But it doesn't take away the fact that Jesus walked on dirt, kicked it up around him, touched dusty things, lived IN THE WORLD the same way the people of that time did - it was a much dirtier world than 21st Century America. And He probably got sick sometimes, too - maybe not dysentery (although even in cleaned-up America we get intestinal bugs, right?), but probably colds, viruses, etc. He lived among us. He knew pain, He knew humiliation, and the whole point is He sometimes flouted those man-made additions to God's commandments, without sinning. So, yes, I'm sure He washed his hands before meals, after going to the "bathroom," etc. But He didn't lock Himself away from the other humans around Him, He didn't keep Himself away from the dirty, the sick, the poor. He became one of us, one of them. And that is the glory, the beauty, the joy of Immanuel - God With Us.
I'm sure that serious readers of the Bible are to be forgiven if they secretly wonder why God allowed his scribes to produce such a jumble. Considering it's origins, Biblical literature probably shouldn't be criticized for failing to meet the standards of a well written modern technical manual. So what then is it's purpose? Perhaps this strange compilation is a summary of the human condition, a mirror of our foibles and potentials, with suggestions for survival and growth and hints of something beyond. It allows readers to make of it what they will and provides endless employment for theologians.
Now, about this mysterious fellow from Nazareth who, at his 12th birthday party, amazed the scholars with his knowledge and promptly disappeared for the next 18 years. He reappeared when he was 30 and spent the next 3 years walking the land empty handed, offering a simple captivating message. Here, with embellishments removed, is one version:
You have a choice.
Get rid of your illusions – no good will come of them.
Obey the Law, but first seek Justice.
Justice is borne of love and compassion.
You will find it in your heart.
Open your hearts to one another
and you will find internal peace and fulfillment
even in the face of hardship.
The choice is yours.
That offended the defenders of illusion so they murdered him. For which he returned Justice – acknowledging their ignorance, he forgave them. And His message persists.
In my conscientious attempt to understand the underlying purpose of this article – to emphasize that Jesus was indeed human – the headline alone, in my opion, is definitely an egregious attempt to stir things up for the sake of ratings. Not a good look in these trying times; in a world on the verge of total chaos. This we certainly could do without.
Hmm So many want to end Religion....How about we bring back the Christianity to our Christians instead.....The GOP Christians in Congress do not want to help the Sandy Hurricane Victims....How Un-Christian can the GOP get?
I'm sure the Westboro Baptists would agree with you.
It cuts like a knife to have the Westboro Baptist claim to be Christians....they are very far from being Christians....
They live by biblical values.
Who is the target audience for this article? You'd have to live somewhere under a rock not to know these things, just about every book out there on Christianity talks about Jesus being a normal man who was mostly ridiculed and humiliated. That's the main part of his story, his life as a man – this author acts like he discovered something...
Ignorant, idiotic, and garbage "journalism" – if you can call it that.
Man created god in his own image so he could have an imaginary friend.
Why on earth would man do that? That's kinda stupid.
Religion is a delusional fantasy no longer fit for our modern times. It's time for humanity to reason out of it.
Fr me the best explanation of why God would send Jesus, a man, to spread God's message came from a Catholic Priest giving Christmas mass. He told the story of finding a small bird on a very cold winter night that was obviously freezing in the cold. He thought that if he could get the bird to go into the garage for the night it would be protected and safe and he could open the door and free the bird in the morning. The bird, unable to fly, kept running in circles and the Priest was unable to him it to go into the garage. The harder he tried the more the bird became terrified and refused to enter. At that moment he thought, if himself was a bird I could help it understand and save the bird.
I don't know if Jesus was the son of God or not. But one thing I'm certain of... If he was the Son of God we're all going to be OK.
" But one thing I'm certain of... If he was the Son of God we're **all** going to be OK. "
Really ? I thought that in the Christian narrative that many or even most of us will perish in the 'lake of fire' due to *non-belief* ?
Hebrews, chapter 1 in the Bible is where God explains Jesus. "God, who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son, whom He appointed HEIR of all things, and through whom He made the systems of things. Verses 1&2. Jesus is the only-begotten Son whom God designated as His Heir; one who inherits the possessions or property of another, as a Son from a Father. Jesus was and IS the last true representative and prophet of Almighty God.
Bottom line: Jesus had cooties.
Actually, I wish that line was the whole article – I would not have wasted my time reading this whole thing on things everybody knows anyway..
JWT – you are obviously blind to what I said and have not read the comments made by some people. They are full of hate.
I've seen a few hateful comments from both believers and non-believers. Some on both sides could be a little more poliet. But still there are no gods.
Wow–although "johnnie's" article makes a point that all human bodies require a bathroom break, I'm not sure I'd be willing to regard him highly as a "professor of religion". It might be possible to focus on a few other Christian ideas/ideals which have contributed much to Civilization. He's clearly opened the door to all the detractors of Jesus. // Furthermore, I doubt sincerely that Jesus held any particular views on climate change. To say that he "reshaped history... in the most profound and anticlimatic (sic) way" is possibly a typo, but I think the professor has lost me. I flunk his class. Back to the books, johnnie.
Surely if god could bypass the biological and physical necessities to im pre gnate jesus' mother, he could also create jesus without the physiology of him having to uri na te, def aec ate, flat u late, sweat, or exhibit any other bodily function which humans find disgusting. Hey, if xians are going to perpetuate a ridiculous myth, why not go whole hog?
"There ain't no jesus gonna come from the sky.
Now that I found out, I know I can cry." – John Lennon
Are you that stupid? Yes Jesus was a man. You pompase ass you think you can tarnish what was written and belittle the son of God! You need to redirect your work. I will pray for you and anyone who listens to you. People like you are exactly why he came as a man. Are you proud of yourself that you think your little mortal being can discount the word and works of God?
I'm sorry, "tom Johnson", but "God" and "son of God" are elements of mythology, therefore your assertions are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE), the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".
Tom–though I don't regard Jesus as the literal physical incarnation of God, I must say I enjoy your rebuttal to johnnie. Pompous a** seems to fit. The article is an open door to deniers. Cheers, sir.
@Hal. How frig do you know this??? Can you prove your assertions??? That is just your own humble opinion not the gosh darn gospel. Who the hell died and made you the high priest anyways!
Why does God have a son and not a daughter? Why are you Christians so racist?
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