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My Take: Jesus was a dirty, dirty God
January 5th, 2013
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My Take: Jesus was a dirty, dirty God

Editor’s note: Johnnie Moore is the author of Dirty God (#DirtyGod). He is a professor of religion and vice president at Liberty University. Keep track of him @johnnieM .

By Johnnie Moore, Special to CNN

(CNN) - Jesus was a lot more like you than you think, and a lot less clean cut than this iconic image of him that floats around culture.

You know the image. It’s the one where Jesus is walking like he’s floating in robes of pristine white followed by birds singing some holy little ditty. He’s polished, manicured, and clearly – God.

But despite the Christian belief that Jesus was both fully God and fully man, Jesus was a rather dirty God.

He was the “earthly” son of a carpenter, and life in the first-century was both more lurid and unfinished than our collective religious memory seems to recall.

To that end, I suggested recently to several astounded colleagues of mine that Jesus actually had to go to the bathroom, perhaps even on the side of the road between Capernaum and Jerusalem.

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What tipped them over the edge was when I insinuated that Jesus, like almost every other human being living in the rural world in that time, might have even had dysentery on an occasion or two.

Someone said, “You mean that Jesus might have had severe diarrhea?”

“Yep,” I replied, “That’s exactly what I mean.”

It seems like an obvious statement if you believe that Jesus was “fully God” and “fully man” (as most evangelicals believe and call the Incarnation), but to some of us it seems in the least, inappropriate, and at the most, sacrilege, to imagine Jesus in this way. We might believe that God was also man, but we picture him with an ever-present halo over his head.

But, actually, the Jesus of the Bible was more human than most people are conditioned to think.

I call this the dirty side of Jesus. He was grittier, and a lot more like us than maybe we believe, and that’s one of the reasons why so many thousands of people followed him so quickly.

They could relate to him.

He was the teacher from a small town who knew and understood the economic insecurity that was common in the first century. Times must have been rather tough for Jesus at points in his life, for he even spoke of being homeless, having to sleep on the ground with no roof over his head.

He also knew what it was like to have his message rejected and how it felt to be misunderstood. Jesus was regarded with such little significance in his hometown that one of his critics once remarked sardonically, “Isn’t this the carpenter’s son?” Jesus eventually had to move to different city (Capernaum) because his teachings so infuriated the people living in his hometown that they drove him out of Nazareth and even tried to throw him off a cliff.

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The real Jesus had dirt underneath his fingernails and calluses on his hands. He probably smelled badly from sweating profusely in the Judean sun on his long hikes to Jerusalem, and Jesus was, without a doubt, rumored to be a hypocrite or absolutely mad for all the time he spent with prostitutes and those afflicted with leprosy.

Not exactly have a clean-cut image.

He had a rather shady reputation.

Some people thought he was a revolutionary. The religious leaders called him a heretic, and others even accused him of being a drunkard and a glutton - in no small part because of the vagabond group of disciples he had with him. No serious religious leader of his day would have ever recruited such people.

For his core 12 disciples, Jesus included a tough-as-nails, bombastic fisherman (Peter), a chief tax collector named Matthew (the most hated popular figure of the time), an eventual traitor who was stealing money out of the offering bucket (Judas), a prolific doubter (Thomas), two jocks nicknamed the “Sons of Thunder” (James and John) and Simon the Zealot, a member of a radical political party which believed in using violence to kick out the Romans.

Jesus was sarcastic, too.

He often snapped back at the Pharisees with a tone fit for late-night television, and in a terribly embarrassing moment for all those around him, Jesus even called these respected religious teachers “snakes” that were probably sons of “Satan.”

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That’s not exactly the behavior of a sweet, self-help teacher with a halo over his head.

It’s the behavior of a frustrated man who might also be divine, but sure knows how it feels for annoying people to get under his skin.

Christians believe that Jesus chose to be born fully human, too, but why?

Lots of theologians have laid out opinions over the centuries, and in their opining they have tried once again to hijack Jesus’ humanity by defining it in philosophical terms. I believe it’s simpler than the philosophy and church councils and centuries of argument.

The brilliance of Christianity is the image of a God, named Jesus, arrived with dirty hands.

Jesus came in a time period when Greco-Roman gods were housed in gigantic temples and portrayed with superhuman powers and with superhuman physiques. Gods were believed to be far away from people on their mountains or hemmed up in their sanctuaries.

Jesus arrived in defiance of this prevailing imagery.

Jesus didn’t come flinging lightning bolts from a mountaintop, or playing politics in Rome. He came to live in a typical Middle Eastern village called Nazareth that was home to a couple hundred typical people. He didn’t decide to brandish his power, but to spend most of his time with the powerless and disenfranchised. And when he started a religious movement that reshaped history, he did it in the most profound and anticlimatic way:

He let himself be killed, and then he busted open a tomb.

In Jesus we meet a Savior who understood the desire to sleep just a few more hours, and who had to control his temper sometimes. In Jesus we find a God we can relate to because he chose to relate to us.

He was the God who became dirty so that the world’s souls might be made clean.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Johnnie Moore.

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  1. Jimmy

    God came to earth as a dirty man?.Okay..when he left his throne,who took his place reigning over the universe with untold planets spread out over billions of light years..And exactly where is this planet called Heaven where conforming Christians are scheduled to go,if scientists agree there is no signs of life other than human and animal and micro organisms for thousands of light years.I get it,when we die,our atoms float away to Heaven,wherever Heaven is.A reason we can't see or vision the place..Somebody is not forth coming...

    January 7, 2013 at 11:05 am |
    • dreamer96

      Hmm

      Jesus was born in a manger or cave used for animals...not a palace ..
      Jesus was born when the shepherds were guarding their flocks ..this is when the baby lambs are born in the spring mid April...Not the deep winter
      Jesus was a man of the poor..walked almost everywhere, a few times rode a donkey...
      Jesus entered the homes of the unclean and ate diner with them...even after his own followers objected to visiting the unclean...
      Jesus came in a common poor man, and lived as a common man...So what is the problem with this article...It seems to be a real depiction of Jesus in the times he lived....

      January 7, 2013 at 11:15 am |
    • PJ

      Isn't just as amazing that those atoms came together in a place and time to make Jimmy? What were the odds?

      January 7, 2013 at 11:21 am |
    • End Religion

      so many fables, so little reality

      January 7, 2013 at 11:30 am |
    • dreamer96

      End Religion

      So you would go the rode taken by the Soviet Union and ban all religions?...Take their property, ban their religious services?
      Have you not noticed that Religion has changed over the 2,000 years since the story of Jesus first spread across the Middle East...Why not bring our world religions along into the future...For millions of Americans a belief in a God helps them deal with the harshness of Life...are you the one that is going to tell them to stop believing in anything...and just tough it out?..

      January 7, 2013 at 11:41 am |
    • End Religion

      @ol96er: "So you would go the rode taken by the Soviet Union and ban all religions?"

      I am not in favor of outlawing the practice of religion.

      ***
      "Take their property, ban their religious services?"

      These sound like your desires, not mine.

      ***
      "Why not bring our world religions along into the future..."

      Religion is the medieval version of the Borg. What religion desires is Group Think, centrally controlled thought and action. As if that's not bad enough, that dictated thought includes intolerance against MANY other humans for capricious and unsupportable reasons.

      January 7, 2013 at 12:06 pm |
    • dreamer96

      End Religion

      Like I already said....Religion has changed over 2,000 years, and so have our forms of Government Control based on religious beliefs....For the World at large, only pockets like in Afghanistan and Iran hold on to the Ancient religious views....Women are gaining more rights around the world in many countries, going to school...the world wide internet is making that possible....Even right here in the USA....it was 1920 when women gained the right to vote in America...The Civil War ended in 1865, the Civil Rights gained 100 years later...In the span of the 2,000 years since Jesus lived, that is still recent times....These changes came about because the people changed their views...

      January 7, 2013 at 12:56 pm |
    • End Religion

      sorry ol' 69er, you're out of time. Hope you enjoyed you enjoyed christ's evil reign.

      January 7, 2013 at 1:59 pm |
  2. Magic Fairy Dust

    There is more historical evidence that Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The Tooth Fairy, and Big Foot are real than there is of Jesus's existence.

    January 7, 2013 at 11:03 am |
    • Ben

      Did Alexander the Great exist? Julius Caesar? Evidence for Christ, written by eyewitnesses within a generation (some of Paul's epistles were written as early as mid 40s) of his time, suggest much stronger evidence than any person of the same time period. On top of that, you have more than 5,000 copies of the new testement from antiquity, which confirm the accuracy of the eyewitness accounts (gospels).

      January 7, 2013 at 11:14 am |
    • PJ

      Okay, I can understand and respect that you are not a Christian but making dumb statements like that just show your ignorance.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:15 am |
    • OpposingView

      You are seriously delusional and a liar. I have no idea where you get your information from. But yet, then I do. From Lucifer. You shouldn't believe everything you hear...

      January 7, 2013 at 11:17 am |
    • BalanceTheScales

      Hate to burst your uneducated bubble. But it's the other way around. There is NO evidence of their existence. But there are thousands of pieces of historical artifacts stating his existence. REMOVEHATE<3BESOMEONE

      January 7, 2013 at 11:22 am |
    • Matt

      Do a little research before you say that. There is profound evidence for Jesus, have you been living under a rock your whole life?

      January 7, 2013 at 11:22 am |
    • Eric G

      @OpposingView

      "You are seriously delusional and a liar. I have no idea where you get your information from. But yet, then I do. From Lucifer. You shouldn't believe everything you hear..."

      That is, quite possibly, the most hypocritical post I have ever read.
      Well done Sir.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:23 am |
    • dreamer96

      You do not know for sure what the Romans had written in their governmental secret libraries....

      Did Emperor Constantine have access to Roman history about Jesus...He was exposed to the Christian beliefs by his own mother..Where did She get her information?..Did the Roman's collect information of Jesus only to try to suppress the Jesus story...go after the people that taught the history of Jesus...They did go after John the Baptist and He did in a way cause a large Roman riot that we have records of...Did the wife of Pontius Pilate seek Jesus's help in healing her crippled son....

      Many even today believe governments collect information on people they fear, and work to suppress the retelling of information that could be damaging to their power base....

      January 7, 2013 at 11:31 am |
  3. Dennis Morrison Sr.

    What's your point? The Bible says in all ways He was like us. God left the glories of Heaven and came down to a filthy earth spoiled by sin so of course He got dirt. What a stupid article from a man who is just trying to bash the Lord God – Jesus Christ. Well you can think you are cute now bu that will indeed end one day when you stand before Him.

    January 7, 2013 at 10:57 am |
    • JC

      It was common practice to use one's left hand to wipe one's backside in Jesus's time.

      Do you think he wiped with the left and healed with the right?

      January 7, 2013 at 11:00 am |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      Ummm, the author is a christian believer from a christian university. Have you expressed your unhappiness to them?

      January 7, 2013 at 11:03 am |
    • Bet

      Proxy threats....so scary!

      January 7, 2013 at 11:05 am |
    • Mark

      He is being cute in his writing but how is he knocking Jesus? Do some research into your own faith and you will find that this discussion is over a thousand years old. The church spent hundreds of years arguing over such things as the nature of Jesus (god? man? piece of god? demigod?) and even this very question, did Jesus have human needs?

      January 7, 2013 at 11:08 am |
    • Cynic

      You think the author was bashing Jesus just because he reminded us that He was human?

      Read the last sentence of this article again.

      The author is not trying to be smart, clever, or irreverent. He is just reminding us of something that many of us too often forget.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:09 am |
    • Thomas

      get a grip, dude. He isn't bashing anyone.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:10 am |
    • JerseyBob

      Do you think he looked afterward? Flaming diarrhea – I can see it now. And what happened if he ran out of papyrus sheets? That crown of thorns would have stung like nobody's business

      January 7, 2013 at 11:15 am |
  4. Joe Corkill

    Just another liberal attack on mains stream America. And Murrow continues to roll over in his grave. What happened to good writing and good reporters?

    January 7, 2013 at 10:57 am |
    • I Am God

      Just another whiny conservative who doesn't like opinion articles.

      January 7, 2013 at 10:59 am |
    • palintwit

      This is CNN you're talking about.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:00 am |
    • SurelyUjest

      This was posted in the "Belief" section of the page. Why on earth would compare any of this to "good journalism" like this is NEWS! This is one mans very belief that is based on historical evidence probably right on the money, it doesnt insult Jesus nor his followers, it merely reminds us all of the socio economic world they came from. Nobody is trying to hurt your god.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:01 am |
    • LinCA

      @Joe Corkill

      You said, "Just another liberal attack on mains stream America."
      Holy fucking shit!

      Good luck finding a liberal at Liberty University. They are hardly "main stream America". They are already solidly in the extreme right wing.

      You complaining about this article just shows your grasp on reality is tenuous, at best.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:06 am |
    • Mark

      Just like all those liberal theologists who asked the SAME QUESTION over a thousands years ago. Go spend more time learning the history of your faith (if you really have any) and less time worrying about libAHrals.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:10 am |
  5. Magic Fairy Dust

    This just in:

    Jesus is a myth and so is Santa Claus.

    Although to be fair there is more evidence of Santa's existence than Jesus.

    January 7, 2013 at 10:55 am |
    • John P. Tarver

      CNN just ran a fine article on santa claus being real and if that is what it takes to validate Christ in your mind, then you have it.

      January 7, 2013 at 10:59 am |
    • Not so

      Jesus is mentioned in other contemporary writings; few doubt that the actual man lived. The faith comes in your belief or not of his resurrection.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:04 am |
    • End Religion

      @JPT: you seem to be suffering from a delusion similar to your religious one. The Santa Claus story showed that the myth *might* be based on a person who *might* have been real.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:05 am |
    • End Religion

      @snotSo: There is no evidence for the existence of your jeebus. The typical offerings of such proof, which I do not consider evidence, can be found:
      http://alturl.com/3esc7

      January 7, 2013 at 11:07 am |
    • John P. Tarver

      Jebus is the old name for Jerusalem, before it was captured by David; but thanks for playing.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:13 am |
  6. Richard

    Why is this fairy tale rubbish still front page news a week later.

    January 7, 2013 at 10:51 am |
    • Richard

      I know why ... it has attracted 4,500 comments ... advertising. I am a sucker!

      January 7, 2013 at 10:52 am |
    • LinCA

      @Richard

      You said, "Why is this fairy tale rubbish still front page news a week later."
      How do you get to "a week later" from 10PM on January 5, when the article was posted, to the 7th at 10:51AM, when you commented?

      January 7, 2013 at 10:59 am |
    • Madtown

      Right on Richard, advertising. This is a technique for media outlets in this day and age. Lot's of comments means lot's of web hits, which pleases advertisers, which makes media outlets money. They all do it.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:00 am |
    • Bet

      To be fair, it's only been here since Jan. 5th, it just seems like a week. Otherwise, you're right. The dude's promoting his new book.

      Still, it's fun to see people go nuts over some guy saying "I believe that Jeebus took a dump."

      January 7, 2013 at 11:01 am |
    • Frank

      What if the fairy tale was true?

      January 7, 2013 at 11:46 am |
    • LinCA

      @Frank

      You said, "What if the fairy tale was true?"
      If it was shown to be true, it would probably warrant to be on the front page for more than a few days, but what are the odds of that ever happening?

      January 7, 2013 at 8:26 pm |
  7. Magic Fairy Dust

    Jesus's hands were dirty because no one used toilet paper in those days.

    It was common practice to wipe with the left hand.

    January 7, 2013 at 10:51 am |
    • Mark

      The Romans used sponges to wipe.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:11 am |
  8. End Religion

    If the bible were the word of god it's originating texts would not have been altered (neither have been translated, had gaps in its original text filled in, nor had portions voted on at the First Council of Nicaea)

    January 7, 2013 at 10:48 am |
    • John P. Tarver

      Did God tell you that?

      January 7, 2013 at 10:51 am |
    • OpposingView

      The bible IS the word of God, and it seems you've received some false information and lies. Not one word of God's word has ever been altered or changed. Not one. Do you think the eternal God who created the universe is so weak that he would allow that to happen? Think again. He is able to preserve his word. Although I admit there are plenty of false bibles in the world today (written by Lucifer) where the text has been altered, changed, updated, and changed around from the original text. but the original text and word of God written by the Apostles and the Prophets has never ever been changed. Even worse, you seem to have a false understanding about what happened at the Council of Nicaea. That Council at Nicaea did not change or alter anything (that's a lie you've heard told by unbelievers who want you to think the bible has been changed and written by man, so you won't believe in it). The central issue at the Council of Nicaea was only concerning the baptism and how to control the growing masses and followers of Jesus Christ. As a consequence of that council, the RCC (who sponsored the council) began baptizing in Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, rather than doing so in the name of Jesus Christ as the apostles had taught. Afterwards, they even began persecuting the saints and everyone who was a follower of Jesus Christ. Thus, began the era of "forced baptisms". (Do a goole search for "forced baptisms", and a search for "saints, lions, Roman Coliseum".). They began forcing people who were already baptized in Jesus Name (which is the correct baptism taught by the apostles) to get re-baptized in the name of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost (which is a false baptism) initiated according to what was voted on at the Council of Nicaea. I know the full history of the church, and it seems you have some false information. You should be careful where you get your information from, especially on the internet. Not everyone has the truth…

      January 7, 2013 at 11:15 am |
    • In Santa we trust

      John, Why would there have been a need?

      January 7, 2013 at 11:22 am |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "OpposingView", "The bible", "word of God", "God", "He", "Lucifer", "Christ", the "Father", the "Son", the "Holy Ghost", and "the truth" are all elements of mythology, therefore your assertions are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE), the expression that best matches the degree to which your repeated assertions may represent truths is: "CHRONIC EPIC FAIL".

      January 7, 2013 at 11:23 am |
    • Newt Gingrich

      @OpposingView

      Google: who wrote the Bible

      It will open your eyes. There is nothing sacred about the Bible. It was not written by any special people. It was definitely not written by the Apostles or any prophets.

      Google: arguments for God

      Do you know what question no Christian or theists can rationally answer? It is this question:

      What is "God"?

      Seriously, nobody can answer this questions. If you cannot answer this question, your "God" does not exist. For some-thing to exist, you must know what it is first.

      Open your eyes and mind and set yourself free from the LIES they use to control you and your money.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:24 am |
    • End Religion

      @OV: "The bible IS the word of God"

      It is the word of man.

      ***
      "Not one word of God's word has ever been altered or changed. Not one."

      LOL, I would guess even some christians now understand you're classified as a nut. Even if your god dictated it, it was filtered through man and therefore couldn't ever be pristine. Your helpless weakling god couldn't even get things right from the word "go".

      ***
      "Do you think the eternal God who created the universe is so weak that he would allow that to happen?"

      If there were a god, then yes, he is terribly weak. He's so weak that I say to him now, "Go fuck yourself, God!" and he will do nothing about it. He's a pathetic, moronic dweeb. I can understand why you identify with him.

      ***
      "He is able to preserve his word."

      He can't preserve jam, let alone his psychotic ramblings.

      ***
      "Although I admit there are plenty of false bibles in the world today"

      Every bible is false.

      ***
      "That Council at Nicaea did not change or alter anything"

      In Jerome's Prologue to Judith he claims that the Book of Judith was "found by the Nicene Council to have been counted among the number of the Sacred Scriptures" – they voted on what words of god should stay and which should go.

      ***
      "I know the full history of the church"

      You know only what you want in order to keep your psychosis chugging along. Try some reality instead. It's not too bad.

      January 7, 2013 at 12:28 pm |
    • KJ

      Scientist can't explain what was there was before the world was created..Or why the universe exists.. You can believe or not believe in what you want. But I guarantee this, on your death bed, you will question your non beliefs of God. I pray that you find him sooner.

      January 7, 2013 at 2:58 pm |
  9. John P. Tarver

    Relativity and Quantum Mechanics require a sentient being outside the universe to make the universe real; thereby proving Creationism. The real question is the same very old one, Creation by one perfect spirit, or third rate demon.

    January 7, 2013 at 10:45 am |
    • End Religion

      every aspect of young earth creationism has been refuted. Here are all the arguments and refutations: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc

      January 7, 2013 at 10:50 am |
    • John P. Tarver

      Even the Pope rejects young earth. Just as science rejects evolution as a means to species.

      January 7, 2013 at 10:53 am |
    • Lola

      What are you talking about? Science doesn't reject evolution as a mean to a species.

      January 7, 2013 at 10:57 am |
    • Newt Gingrich

      FAIL.

      1. What is a *sentient being* that exists *outside this universe*?????

      2. If this universe required a *creator*, then what created this *sentient being* that exists *outside this universe*????

      Same logical failures as every other so called "God" argument.

      January 7, 2013 at 10:58 am |
    • End Religion

      The leading hypothesis for the origin of life on our planet (thermal vent hypothesis):
      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/12/121220143530.htm
      (note it doesn't involve "gawd dun it wiff spelz")

      January 7, 2013 at 11:01 am |
    • John P. Tarver

      Newt- Einstein's claim of a sentient being outside the universe are from his 1927 Copenhagen Observations. Your drug damaged brain has farted again.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:02 am |
    • Newt Gingrich

      John- You're trying to runaway from your failed argument by trying to appeal to AUTHORITY.

      Einstein also didn't believe in a PERSONAL GOD. He also thought there was nothing special about Jewish people and that the Bible was a *COOL STORY*.

      Even still, Einstein did not spend much time researching "God".

      It doesn't matter. Your claim still FAILS miserably.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:18 am |
    • JerseyBob

      Gotta love a right wing creationist nutjob but when you have some spare time, please come join us in the real world

      January 7, 2013 at 11:18 am |
  10. Lola

    Years ago I read about the dirty hippie version, which is probably true for the reasons you laid out. Fun read by the way. The people who worship him would have hated him, thankfully TV and cameras didn't exist back then. Fantasy versions are always better than reality.

    January 7, 2013 at 10:43 am |
    • John P. Tarver

      Hippies are the latest incarnation of the Ku Klux Klan and are also called the dead and in hell. Hippies worship the devil Ba'al, just like their fathers.

      January 7, 2013 at 10:48 am |
    • Lola

      Latest? Hippies were from the 60s. You must be a senior.

      January 7, 2013 at 10:51 am |
    • John P. Tarver

      I don't beleive the kkk has morphed beyond being hippies. The hilarious part is that while hippies see themselves as social liberals, Blacks see them as vile destroyers of the civlil rights movement.

      January 7, 2013 at 10:55 am |
    • End Religion

      @JPT: thx for helping us create more atheists!
      Your god doesn't exist until I see extraordinary proof it does. However, you'd have to agree you cannot dispute the existence of Elephus, the purple polka-dotted elephant god who pinched her trunk and farted us into existence. She is the one true god, and the path to her exists only through obeying my word, her right hand man and appointed prophet. We celebrate her appropriately on St. Elephus Day by wearing wrinkly grey boots and an elephant mask while prancing through the streets showering with pink and brown confetti those gathered to bear witness to her godliness.

      In addition,
      1) If jesus had existed, then there is evidence.
      2) There is no evidence of jesus (any you present has already been refuted).
      3) Therefore, jesus never existed.

      January 7, 2013 at 10:56 am |
    • Lola

      First of all, there aren't many hippies left, they were popular almost 50 years ago. The first time I read about this version of Jesus I was a little kid in the 70s. Second, your racist comparison to the KKK is nutty. Black people don't think that, you are not a spokesperson for a race.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:02 am |
    • John P. Tarver

      From an historical perspective only John the Baptist can be proven as a fact, due to his having started a riot that killed 120,000 Magis; the historial reason he is in prison. He was Christ's cousin however and the riot had a cause; that is Christ.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:06 am |
    • End Religion

      5 Reasons to Suspect John the Baptist was Interpolated Into Josephus (in other words, surprise, surprise, more religious fraud)
      http://vridar.wordpress.com/2011/01/29/5-reasons-to-suspect-john-the-baptist-was-interpolated-into-josephus/

      January 7, 2013 at 11:29 am |
  11. IT IS ALL GOOD AND GOD IS AT THE END

    If you look at the facts,their was an historical exodus. The prophets spoke of a Christ being born.He hung out with the lowly of the time and avoided the zealots.He pointed out hypocrisy. He was human. He defeated death.

    Cool story. If there is no God,nothing really matters. If there is a God that is all which should matter.

    January 7, 2013 at 10:43 am |
    • Newt Gingrich

      There is no *central* local for a single being named "God".

      The collective consciousness of all sentient beings form a *network of information*...just like the INTERNET. Just like every system, this *network of information* is a system that also must lower its entropy to reach a lower state of energy.

      As part of this *network of information system*, your purpose in this life is to acquire information that lowers the system's entropy. The lowering of information entropy can be defined as LOVE.

      Hence, no need for a white Jewish guy to fall back down from the sky.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:10 am |
  12. whatfor33

    Jesus at points in his life, for he even spoke of being homeless, having to sleep on the ground with no roof over his head...

    I wish some people could read the Bible.. Jesus was going from town to town and had no where to lay his head because the inns where full...

    Would this guy please read JOHN 1:38-39 for crying out loud.. No wonder people miss it...

    January 7, 2013 at 10:37 am |
  13. Hector

    I don't know why many peole rant about this. Fact is, Jesus was a man, and had all the flaws and virtues that we have as humans. This is why Christianity is powerful: anyone can relate to Jesus, since he was a human like you and me. Why is so hard to conceive for many folks that he had to go to the bathroom, that we was in the dirt and the sand and that he suffered same things as his fellow jews of the same condition?. Be mindful people, Jesus didn't came to start a religion, nor to build churches or to create another new cleric power, he just came to deliver a message: love your brother humans as he had loved us. Church is man invention, God and Jesus don't need palaces, temples, priests to "represent" him, God can represent himself with no help, so stop following non-sense church rituals and maintaining greeding priests and just talk with God directly, He'll hear you.

    January 7, 2013 at 10:35 am |
  14. Rev Sam

    Applause applause! FINALLY someone who understands the miraculous point of Jesus was not in His separation from the people but His ability to relate to them, to be among them and bring those who heard to a higher level of awareness. The seemingly ordinary man with extraordinary insight. Historical accuracy about Jesus only serves to underline the true miracle He was, not undermine the message.

    January 7, 2013 at 10:32 am |
    • Hector

      Exactly brother, you got it right straight. That's the power and beauty of Jesus life.

      January 7, 2013 at 10:37 am |
    • Which God?

      @RS and Sam. Right on! Two braindead fundies. Get your heads out of the Jesus poop.

      January 7, 2013 at 10:40 am |
    • Tina

      Agreed! Amazing write up. Too often we remove Christ from who He truly is... All man and All God. I'm so thankful that I serve a God who understands me... even when my hands are dirty!

      January 7, 2013 at 11:09 am |
  15. Joe from Boston

    The article notwithstanding – it's really very simple. You either have Faith, or you do not. You either believe in Christ, or you do not. And for the haters? Well, you're still in my prayers. Sorry.

    January 7, 2013 at 10:30 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      "A religion is a source of happiness and I would not deprive anyone of happiness. But it is a comfort appropriate for the weak, not for the strong–and you are strong. The great trouble with religion–any religion–is that the religionist, having accepted certain propositions by faith, cannot thereafter judge these propositions by evidence. One may bask at the warm fire of faith or choose to live in the bleak uncertainty of reason–but one cannot have both."
      – Robert Heinlein (Friday)

      January 7, 2013 at 10:36 am |
    • Madtown

      You either believe in Christ, or you do not
      ----
      It's only that simple to a simpleton. Some people have never heard of Christ, and never will. We can't choose to believe in something we've never heard of, and have no concept of.

      January 7, 2013 at 10:57 am |
    • toddrf

      And what makes a sci fi writer's opinion so important?

      January 7, 2013 at 11:07 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @toddrf
      Nothing, save for the fact that he stated my opinion more succinctly and eloquently than I can.

      January 7, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
  16. Banjo Ferret

    Tim the Destroyer of Worlds laughs at your silly theories. Ferretianism is the one true religion. Repent!
    http://www.banjoferret.com

    January 7, 2013 at 10:24 am |
  17. randywindham

    Reblogged this on randywindham.

    January 7, 2013 at 10:19 am |
  18. jknbtjknbt

    here is a brief study of Jesus that harmonizes the gospel accounts:

    http://woloutreachbaytown.org/free_download_jesus_explained

    this might help to educate & to clarify what the author is talking about....

    January 7, 2013 at 10:19 am |
    • richunix

      You can't based on the 5700+ version, their were flat-out discrepancies in the New Testament. Historian ( non-religious) agree that only 8 if the 27 books in the NT are Pesudopigraphy (Forgeries). Hell read the death of Jesus in Mark, compare it to John, for starts.

      Stephen F Roberts: “I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”

      January 7, 2013 at 10:30 am |
    • richunix

      rephase: only 8 of the 27 Books are not forgeries

      January 7, 2013 at 10:31 am |
    • mike

      RichUnix ("Pesudopigraphy (Forgeries)") – When you use big word to try and educate people, I suggest you use spell checker.

      January 7, 2013 at 10:46 am |
  19. Rightfield

    So far I have been called a Princess and an as&hole for stating I believe in God and that there is no scientific proof of how life began on Earth thus disproving creationism, which there isn't. I always thought it was the religious people that were supposed to be intolerant. How ironic. I believe because I choose to and I don't care if you don't. But there's no need to mock those who do? Do you mock Muslims, Followers of Buhda? Probably not because that would be racist and culturally insensitive (which it is). So why Christians whom many of them believe in evolution, technology, modern medicine, divorce, and even some abortions?

    January 7, 2013 at 10:19 am |
    • cedar rapids

      'and that there is no scientific proof of how life began on Earth thus disproving creationism, which there isn't.'

      depends what you mean by creationism. If you mean the earth is 6000 years old then yeah, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that is wrong.

      January 7, 2013 at 10:22 am |
    • Christianity is a form of mental illness- FACT

      People are free to be ignorant. most choose this option.

      January 7, 2013 at 10:31 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Rightfield
      There is an ever growing mountain of evidence from different branches of science accu.mulated over more than a hundred years that verify evolution.
      Creationists have yet to advance a single shred of evidence to support their assertions.
      As a matter of fact, the leading rabble rousers in the Creationist world – The Center for Science and Culture (sponsored by the Discovery Inst.itute) openly admit that their goal isn't to teach what they think is fact. An internal doc.ument leaked in 1999 described the Discovery group's objective in pushing for creationism to be taught in schools as "to defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural and political legacies". They want to use Intelligent Design as a "wedge" to separate science from its allegiance to "atheistic naturalism".
      In other words, they fear that teaching FACTS to children will drive them away from religion.

      January 7, 2013 at 10:37 am |
    • Akira

      How wonderful that you are true to yourself and your faith!
      I believe that it is when some Christians try to legislate those beliefs into secular and civil law (or try to get out of following existing laws) based on the Bible that it gets sticky.
      Many people true to their beliefs get mocked. That applies equally to believers of God and those who believe he doesn't exist.

      January 7, 2013 at 10:41 am |
    • JJ

      One doesn't "believe" in germ theory, evolution theory. One "accepts" facts. Do you believe in gravity? No...you accept the facts that bolster the theory of gravity. One "believes" in ghosts, gods, leprachauns, fairies, etc. Also, you still don't even know what the theory of evolution even claims since you keep spewing how life began. The theory of evolution says nothing about how life began but how life evolved from lower life forms into more complex forms. Put down your bible for 5 minutes and educate yourself about it. Get your information from someone other than only your pastor.

      January 7, 2013 at 10:48 am |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      Mostly for Rightfield, all religion and all gods are crap. There is not a shred of evidence for any of it. "We don't know" is a far superior answer than "Some god(s) did it." I'll take atheist rationality and the scientific method over believer hypocrisy and mental illness.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:00 am |
  20. Mason Yu

    A man's thinking and his words count heavier in life than how much bacteria and microbes one has. We live
    in a world of germs, viruses and detritus. Life was perfect in the garden of Eden, but no more.....at least
    according to God's edict ...

    January 7, 2013 at 10:15 am |
    • Which God?

      Mason Yu said. "Life was perfect in the garden of Eden, but no more.....at least
      according to God's edict ..." An why do you believe this? Where you there? Which God told you in his 'edict?'

      January 7, 2013 at 10:37 am |
    • Seyedibar

      There is no spiritual soul. The only reason we humans exist is to be vehicles that mobilize the millions of colonies of bacteria, parasites, and viruses that live within you. We are each a planet unto ourselves, and your every "independent" thought is an evolved mechanism for helping that planet survive.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:19 am |
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