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My Take: Jesus was a dirty, dirty God
January 5th, 2013
10:00 PM ET

My Take: Jesus was a dirty, dirty God

Editor’s note: Johnnie Moore is the author of Dirty God (#DirtyGod). He is a professor of religion and vice president at Liberty University. Keep track of him @johnnieM .

By Johnnie Moore, Special to CNN

(CNN) - Jesus was a lot more like you than you think, and a lot less clean cut than this iconic image of him that floats around culture.

You know the image. It’s the one where Jesus is walking like he’s floating in robes of pristine white followed by birds singing some holy little ditty. He’s polished, manicured, and clearly – God.

But despite the Christian belief that Jesus was both fully God and fully man, Jesus was a rather dirty God.

He was the “earthly” son of a carpenter, and life in the first-century was both more lurid and unfinished than our collective religious memory seems to recall.

To that end, I suggested recently to several astounded colleagues of mine that Jesus actually had to go to the bathroom, perhaps even on the side of the road between Capernaum and Jerusalem.

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What tipped them over the edge was when I insinuated that Jesus, like almost every other human being living in the rural world in that time, might have even had dysentery on an occasion or two.

Someone said, “You mean that Jesus might have had severe diarrhea?”

“Yep,” I replied, “That’s exactly what I mean.”

It seems like an obvious statement if you believe that Jesus was “fully God” and “fully man” (as most evangelicals believe and call the Incarnation), but to some of us it seems in the least, inappropriate, and at the most, sacrilege, to imagine Jesus in this way. We might believe that God was also man, but we picture him with an ever-present halo over his head.

But, actually, the Jesus of the Bible was more human than most people are conditioned to think.

I call this the dirty side of Jesus. He was grittier, and a lot more like us than maybe we believe, and that’s one of the reasons why so many thousands of people followed him so quickly.

They could relate to him.

He was the teacher from a small town who knew and understood the economic insecurity that was common in the first century. Times must have been rather tough for Jesus at points in his life, for he even spoke of being homeless, having to sleep on the ground with no roof over his head.

He also knew what it was like to have his message rejected and how it felt to be misunderstood. Jesus was regarded with such little significance in his hometown that one of his critics once remarked sardonically, “Isn’t this the carpenter’s son?” Jesus eventually had to move to different city (Capernaum) because his teachings so infuriated the people living in his hometown that they drove him out of Nazareth and even tried to throw him off a cliff.

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The real Jesus had dirt underneath his fingernails and calluses on his hands. He probably smelled badly from sweating profusely in the Judean sun on his long hikes to Jerusalem, and Jesus was, without a doubt, rumored to be a hypocrite or absolutely mad for all the time he spent with prostitutes and those afflicted with leprosy.

Not exactly have a clean-cut image.

He had a rather shady reputation.

Some people thought he was a revolutionary. The religious leaders called him a heretic, and others even accused him of being a drunkard and a glutton - in no small part because of the vagabond group of disciples he had with him. No serious religious leader of his day would have ever recruited such people.

For his core 12 disciples, Jesus included a tough-as-nails, bombastic fisherman (Peter), a chief tax collector named Matthew (the most hated popular figure of the time), an eventual traitor who was stealing money out of the offering bucket (Judas), a prolific doubter (Thomas), two jocks nicknamed the “Sons of Thunder” (James and John) and Simon the Zealot, a member of a radical political party which believed in using violence to kick out the Romans.

Jesus was sarcastic, too.

He often snapped back at the Pharisees with a tone fit for late-night television, and in a terribly embarrassing moment for all those around him, Jesus even called these respected religious teachers “snakes” that were probably sons of “Satan.”

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That’s not exactly the behavior of a sweet, self-help teacher with a halo over his head.

It’s the behavior of a frustrated man who might also be divine, but sure knows how it feels for annoying people to get under his skin.

Christians believe that Jesus chose to be born fully human, too, but why?

Lots of theologians have laid out opinions over the centuries, and in their opining they have tried once again to hijack Jesus’ humanity by defining it in philosophical terms. I believe it’s simpler than the philosophy and church councils and centuries of argument.

The brilliance of Christianity is the image of a God, named Jesus, arrived with dirty hands.

Jesus came in a time period when Greco-Roman gods were housed in gigantic temples and portrayed with superhuman powers and with superhuman physiques. Gods were believed to be far away from people on their mountains or hemmed up in their sanctuaries.

Jesus arrived in defiance of this prevailing imagery.

Jesus didn’t come flinging lightning bolts from a mountaintop, or playing politics in Rome. He came to live in a typical Middle Eastern village called Nazareth that was home to a couple hundred typical people. He didn’t decide to brandish his power, but to spend most of his time with the powerless and disenfranchised. And when he started a religious movement that reshaped history, he did it in the most profound and anticlimatic way:

He let himself be killed, and then he busted open a tomb.

In Jesus we meet a Savior who understood the desire to sleep just a few more hours, and who had to control his temper sometimes. In Jesus we find a God we can relate to because he chose to relate to us.

He was the God who became dirty so that the world’s souls might be made clean.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Johnnie Moore.

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  1. Kadri J. Webb

    Reblogged this on Webb's World.

    January 23, 2013 at 4:24 pm |
  2. Buster

    Jesus IS THE clean clean Son of God.

    January 23, 2013 at 3:14 pm |
    • sam stone

      Well, buster brown, that settles it. All the world's clerics and philosophers can just do something else now.

      January 23, 2013 at 7:31 pm |
    • Noodly

      Jesus is THE worn out mythology of ignorant early people who had normal human fears and didn't have scientific explanations for the world around them! (Also, he was kinda grimy when they put him in the tomb, what with the blood and dirt all over him.)

      January 23, 2013 at 8:42 pm |
  3. Rich

    And there are people living today that still believe in a worldview from a time when everyone had to squat behind a bush (not burning!) along the roadside. Truly a miracle!

    January 23, 2013 at 12:31 pm |
  4. Hitler

    "Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
    Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
    Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
    Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
    Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

    Only proves your god is an evil monster and not a loving god.
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    January 23, 2013 at 9:33 am |
    • Bob

      Well Hitler you made choices and obviously the wrong choice as each person is given their own choice, it is a personal choice not Gods. He said I set before you life and death and even commands us to choose life. We have laws and you will go to prison if you break those laws so is that cruel? NO, I guess not, but each person makes the choice to stay within the laws. So it is with God, He set things up, He speaks to us to avert dangers and gives us help but WE make the choice so I guess since you say God is cruel you are for letting all the prisoners free and there should be no punishment for any offense committed, right? Well with your track record Hitler and all the people you condemned to death I guess I would want everyone to go free too with no punishment.

      January 23, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
    • Bob

      I love it when people cannot accept the responsibility for the decisions they have made. Grow up Hitler and the rest and learn the truth for a change or do you want mommy to wipe you, still. If you don't believe in God then its a non issue to you but if you feel the tug at your soul that it may be true then grow up stop stamping your feet like a little kid and find out if God is real or not. its not going to matter all the tirades and temper tantrums or holding your breath God has set things in place and they will stay there so if you have the guts and are confident in your decisions then go for it we will see one day wont we?

      January 23, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
    • mama k

      I know – all that turmoil just because someone put a pen in the hand of St. John the Dopehead when he was high and said "tell us what you see".

      January 23, 2013 at 12:53 pm |
    • Bob

      LOL

      January 23, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
    • sam stone

      It's amusing when folks like Blob take the utterances of iron age sheep molesters and attribute them to god. then they have the gall to preach to others based on their delusion.

      January 23, 2013 at 7:35 pm |
    • Bob

      Sam anything is better than the crap you dish out. Its not lucid,constructive,helpful, intelligent, or well written so we can really say that you are your own worst enemy and we have to be concerned with.

      January 23, 2013 at 8:29 pm |
    • sam stone

      you got some gall talking about intelligent comments, blob. keep on blathering your iron age fairy tales.

      January 23, 2013 at 9:10 pm |
  5. Bob

    Wow buster you are sure drawing alot of fire from the atheists, keep going good work.
    Rev 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.
    Rev 20:2 And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
    Rev 20:3 and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.
    Rev 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
    Rev 20:5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
    Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
    Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,
    Rev 20:8 and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.
    Rev 20:9 And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
    Rev 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
    Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.
    Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
    Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
    Rev 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
    Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
    Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
    Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
    Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
    Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

    January 23, 2013 at 9:26 am |
    • midwest rail

      Well, at least you're posting under your own name again.

      January 23, 2013 at 9:28 am |
    • sam stone

      wow, blob, you can cut and paste......pretty impressive

      January 23, 2013 at 9:45 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      It really does amaze me that people still believe in this fiction. Put the book down, and join us in reality.

      January 23, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
    • Bob

      Mid, I might say the same thing of you yeahright!

      January 23, 2013 at 12:55 pm |
    • Ummmm

      Midwest is not YeahRight boob.

      January 23, 2013 at 3:19 pm |
  6. Buster

    My Take: Jesus was a clean, clean God that washed away the crimson stain of sin from the world that we might have eternal life through Him.

    January 22, 2013 at 8:53 pm |
    • Archibald Smythe-Pennington, III

      gawd Chad, can you be any more melodramatic?

      January 22, 2013 at 9:07 pm |
    • End Religion

      You honestly have no idea how absurd you sound, do you?

      January 22, 2013 at 9:10 pm |
    • Rain Man

      My Take: Jesus was an excellent driver. Dad lets Jesus drive slow on the driveway. But not on Monday, definitely not on Monday.

      January 23, 2013 at 12:38 am |
    • Me

      So do you believe if we don't sin, Jesus died for nothing?

      January 23, 2013 at 1:01 am |
    • Jesus' last name was Ponzi

      Jesus was a better con-man than that, me. I mean you. When I say me I mean you.

      Anyway . . . Jesus knew his grifting, so he made you a sinner before you were ever born. Good angle, yeah?

      January 23, 2013 at 1:18 am |
    • Me

      Darn – forgot that I already sinned before I was born – here I was thinking of having some fun tonight! Those religious folk always get ya on the technicalities!

      January 23, 2013 at 1:31 am |
    • End Religion

      Thirteen minutes to Judge Wapner and 'The People's Court.'

      January 23, 2013 at 1:42 am |
    • sam stone

      buster: do you seriously desire eternal life?

      January 23, 2013 at 6:53 am |
    • sam stone

      sin is crimson?

      why is that?

      January 23, 2013 at 6:54 am |
    • Dave8582

      @Buster

      My Take: Jesus was an urban legend. You can have him clean or dirty as you like. Just, as you can have Santa sparkling clean or sooty. Neither exists. You are a child playing "dress up" with your wishful thinking.

      Cheers!

      January 23, 2013 at 8:40 am |
    • Noodly

      So an all-powerful god caused a virgin to bear a son so that he could be sacrificed to wash away human sins that the same god caused us to be born into. It is hard to imagine a more stupid legend. Why would anyone want to believe that?

      January 23, 2013 at 8:04 pm |
    • sam stone

      Noodly: Because in many cases, they are snivelling cowards (buster, chad, topher, et al) and are afraid to risk standing up to their petty pr1ck god

      January 23, 2013 at 8:10 pm |
  7. Science

    NEW see date .

    Evolution at its best !

    Published on Jan 15, 2013
    Over 60,000 years ago, the first modern humans—people physically identical to us today—left their African homeland and entered Europe, then a bleak and inhospitable continent in the grip of the Ice Age. But when they arrived, they were not alone: the stocky, powerfully built Neanderthals had already been living there for hundred of thousands of years. So what happened when the first modern humans encountered the Neanderthals? Did we make love or war? That question has tantalized generations of scholars and seized the popular imagination. Then, in 2010, a team led by geneticist Svante Paabo announced stunning news. Not only had they reconstructed much of the Neanderthal genome—an extraordinary technical feat that would have seemed impossible only a decade ago—but their analysis showed that "we" modern humans had interbred with Neanderthals, leaving a small but consistent signature of Neanderthal genes behind in everyone outside Africa today. In "Decoding Neanderthals," NOVA explores the implications of this exciting discovery. In the traditional view, Neanderthals differed from "us" in behavior and capabilities as well as anatomy. But were they really mentally inferior, as inexpressive and clumsy as the cartoon caveman they inspired? NOVA explores a range of intriguing new evidence for Neanderthal self-expression and language, all pointing to the fact that we may have seriously underestimated our mysterious, long-vanished human cousins.
    CategoryEducation
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R00ZT_1JU1g

    Education works BEST !
    So does your DNA, take a blood test and figure it out !
    Simple to do OK !
    To many Adams and Eves in gene pool for the bible's creation story.
    Courts have ruled can't teach creation as fact in public shools in the US.
    Means evolution WINS hands dfown, it is time for god(s) religion to get tghe HELL out of the way OK
    Peace

    January 22, 2013 at 7:39 pm |
    • Buster

      Biological evolution has already been tossed into the dust bin for having any validity in up to date science versus religion debates.

      January 23, 2013 at 12:22 am |
    • Henry

      You are an idiot, Buster.

      January 23, 2013 at 12:25 am |
    • sam stone

      Support your claim that biological evolution has been "tossed into the dust bin", if you can.

      You claim to know science, buster, back up your blather

      January 23, 2013 at 7:33 am |
    • Lionel Gambill

      the cartoon stone-age caveman is a mark of our ignorance; you know, that crude brute in the spotted animal skin who carries a knobby club, drags a woman into his cave by her hair, and can only talk in grunts:"ugh! ugh!"
      In the neolithic and perhaps even paleolithic, many people lived in houses; wore clothes sewn from woven fabrics; created sophisticated works of art; and had metallurgy and pottery. Despite the myths, they worked fewer hours a week than we do (typically about 15 hours a week) and not nearly as hard. Some didn't need to work. Most of us work much harder and longer. The myth of progress is a dandy way to rationalize the status quo, and promote the idea that "We never had it so good."

      January 23, 2013 at 7:54 am |
    • Noodly

      Buster, read a book other than "the good book" (which is anything but). Facts is facts. Join reality.

      January 23, 2013 at 8:05 pm |
  8. Cosette

    Blessed to be a Christian, to know that God cares about mankind that he took the most humble form to reveal himself so that we might have eternal life through him.

    January 22, 2013 at 7:20 pm |
    • Buster

      Amen.

      January 22, 2013 at 8:52 pm |
    • End Religion

      Preposterous. Lichen is more humble. Why didn't he appear as lichen?

      January 22, 2013 at 9:13 pm |
    • sam stone

      do you seriously desire eternal life?

      Eternal nothingness is fine if you happen to be dressed for it.
      Woody Allen

      January 23, 2013 at 7:32 am |
    • Dave8582

      @Cosette

      If you were a Muslim, you would be grateful for that. We are all products of our parents, church and societies indoctrination.

      Be grateful and happy that you are alive, today. Try to make the world a better place when you are gone.

      Cheers!

      January 23, 2013 at 8:45 am |
  9. Buster

    I'd like to go head to head and debate either Richard Dawkins or Lawrence Kraus. That would be an interesting debate because I'll speak with my eyes wide open, and clear vision.

    The comment about only second and third tier philosophers taking on the God debate is interesting. Oh, how far this so called academic community, and world has fallen into a state of idolatry an overt sin. It has become like the days of Noah, and Sodom and Gomorrah.

    January 22, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      And where, in this modern den of sin, can we find someone whom God has deemed righteous, as He did Lot.
      Alas! In this vast wasteland of sin and iniquity, there must be a man worthy of being spared the inevitable wrath of the Lord, as Lot was.
      Who amongst you is holy enough to follow Lot's example? Are you willing to demonstrate what a good person you are by offering to toss your vir/gin daughters over to an angry mob to be ra/ped? Would you, like lot, be willing to have a drunken, incestuous or/gy with those daughters?

      A diogynous quest indeed...

      January 22, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
    • Buster

      God only has to look to those who have accepted Christ into their heart, and lived according to His word. This is the safe haven of the righteous (if you will). These individuals will be saved, but the atheists and agnostics will perish.

      January 22, 2013 at 4:32 pm |
    • Bob

      Yup When the two angels arrived at Sodom that evening, Abraham's nephew Lot met them at the city gate. Lot and his family lived in Sodom. He took the two men to his home and fed them.Then all the men of the city surrounded Lot's house and said, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have relations with them. By ancient custom, the visitors were under Lot's protection. Lot was so infected by the wickedness of Sodom that he offered the gays his two virgin daughters instead. Furious, the mob rushed up to break down the door.The angels struck the rioters blind! Leading Lot, his wife, and two daughters by the hand, the angels hurried them out of the city. The girls fiances would not listen and stayed behind.Lot and his family fled to a tiny village called Zoar. The Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah, destroying the buildings, the people, and all the vegetation in the plain. The daughters thinking it was the end of the world and losing their mother thought they were the last ones on the earth and so had relations with their drunken sleeping father. They conceived and gave birth to 2 countries or group of people The older daughter conceived Moab Hebrew, lit.from the father and father of the Moabites the younger conceived Ben-Ammi Hebrew, Son of my people, father of the Ammonites. Both to be destroyed in Gods plan which is part of the reason we see that seeming uncaring of the Lord that at the conception of something the seed was poisoned.As for Holy we are holy by the Blood of Jesus able to speak on these matters.

      January 22, 2013 at 4:40 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      Bob,
      " When the two angels arrived at Sodom that evening,..."

      Stopped reading right there. (although I have heard the rest of the fable)

      It's sad, though, that every time someone says, 'I don't believe in fairies,' there is a fairy somewhere that falls down dead.

      January 22, 2013 at 4:53 pm |
    • sam stone

      How original.....buster brown blathering more empty proxy threats

      January 22, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
    • Bob

      Frayed don't worry about the fairies you being a atheist I would not expect any different but why I say don't worry they are angels or angelic beings not fairies and some are extremely powerful such as Micheal the arch angel. So your disbelieving and saying it wont affect a thing except your salvation which you also don't believe in I guess. So no worries, there were no angles harmed in this verbal exchange.

      January 22, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
    • End Religion

      Bob have you done some experiments that will help us understand the Chart of Power for angels? It'd be interesting to know every angel and his strength in relation to other angels. If you have data on how you tested this, it'd be helpful.

      January 22, 2013 at 9:22 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Buster, why would Dawkins or Krauss bother with an average mentally ill believer such as yourself? What new arguments would you bring to the table?

      January 22, 2013 at 9:27 pm |
    • Buster

      You can resort to name calling all you like. I would bring the argument of the truth. I'm sure I know more about both religion and science than you will ever know in this lifetime, or in the life to come.

      January 23, 2013 at 12:25 am |
    • Archibald Smythe-Pennington, III

      Chad – please, you have other questions waiting for you elsewhere. Come back tomorrow to this one.

      January 23, 2013 at 12:33 am |
    • sam stone

      "I'm sure I know more about both religion and science than you will ever know in this lifetime, or in the life to come."

      You sure make lots of claims. Too bad you don't back them all up.

      blah, blah, fvcking blah

      January 23, 2013 at 7:37 am |
    • Crabbieappleton

      Most first-tier philosophers know that arguing for religion is a lost cause.

      January 23, 2013 at 11:42 am |
    • Jordi Heguilor

      You, Buster, debating Richard Dawkins? Like someone said: it would look good on your resume, not on his.

      January 23, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
    • sam stone

      buster brown, dawkins would tear you apart like a pit bull consuming a bunny rabbit. you sure have an inflated view of your own intellect.

      January 23, 2013 at 7:48 pm |
    • sam stone

      of course buster would defeat dawkins in a debate. that's why he is here on an internet blog, getting his a$$ handed to him by amateurs.

      January 23, 2013 at 8:15 pm |
  10. Bob

    Rom 5:11 And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.
    Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned–
    Rom 5:13 for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
    Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
    When Jesus disciples asked Him what sin did this man commit that he was in this condition, gives us a clue just as these quoted verses also do. Jesus was without sin and although we are not sinless He is our example and our offering for sin and a example on how to live and what is attainable with the provisions that God has made for us.He has given us a vision of how we are supposed to live and He has made the provision for us to live like He has said. What a great journey we have to become acquainted with our Fathers grace and power walking the way to this visions completion. So I cannot agree with the premise that Jesus knew sickness in this sense, He is our suffering Savior in being subject to mans punishment and Gods punishment for sin, but while He has the seed of man in Him, He is of divine origin with a earthly mother but a heavenly Father. So I doubt that He was afflicted in the way that this author has tried to portray because what would that mean that God does not have the power over a fallen world? I don't think so we forget the power, provision and that is already afforded us. We forget that there is more to this walk than just accepting the Lord and going on with life, we need to ask ourselves what next and I want more of you Lord and see what is the next step. Don't allow yourself to be lulled into a sleep there is so much more.

    January 22, 2013 at 9:24 am |
    • .

      • JWT
      I have no god bob. I have standards so I don't want a relationship with yours either.
      • JWT
      I chose not to believe in any god in the exact same way i chose not to believe in unicorns, leprechauns, fairies, ghosts, ghouls and that the moon is made of cheese. There was never a reason to even consider that there might be such a thing as your god.
      • Timothy
      Don't bother listening to Bob, he is one of the most hateful prejudice person on this blog. He talks about love while doing the exact opposite so it proves your God doesn't change anything.
      • Timothy
      Bob, you're the one full of hate and bigotry your posts are full of it. So there is no way what you wrote about your god could be true because of that. You can post your nonsense about how loving your god is but your hateful derogatory posts proves you don't even understand what the bible.
      • JWT
      You can think what you want to bob. I'll stick with the non-belief side as it's the right one for me.
      • Timothy
      " have morals and scruples and have been through enough that when I have a friend "
      Actually you don't, you just think you do but when you look at your comments is quite clear you're a hateful bigoted troll.
      • Douglas
      Timothy, Bob is too dense and dumb to see how full of hate they are, just ignore the troll and move on, they are not worth your time and effort.

      January 22, 2013 at 9:29 am |
  11. Sam

    Johnnie Moore is an idiot!!! This article is all lies.

    January 21, 2013 at 11:06 pm |
    • sam stone

      could you be more specific?

      January 22, 2013 at 9:02 am |
    • Juan Daugherty

      Sam doesn't need to be, it's all made up stuff. See The Invention of Lying.

      January 22, 2013 at 8:38 pm |
  12. phil

    the day will come ....it will be to late ...and we will see what you have to say then

    January 21, 2013 at 7:11 pm |
    • sam stone

      blah, blah, fvcking blah....

      "god is gonna get you...."

      if you have to resort to threats, it indicates that your argument is weak.

      now, get back on your knees

      January 22, 2013 at 9:04 am |
    • joehova

      Oh, I was unaware that you could see into the future. May I have next week's lottery numbers please...

      January 22, 2013 at 2:27 pm |
  13. OneMercilessMing

    Johnny, your opinion is hardly new. My priest discussed that with his first communion classes 60 years ago.

    January 21, 2013 at 5:59 pm |
  14. will

    The article is sound. God humbled himself into the body of a man. Pimples and all. So that he would be the perfect sacrifice for all people. He suffered our pain, and yet he did not sin. :)

    January 21, 2013 at 5:56 pm |
  15. Dave Harris

    I doubt that they would welcome this Jesus at 'Liberty University'. He might not even be a Republican.

    January 21, 2013 at 5:41 pm |
  16. Buster

    Anyone can write a book like that moron Lawrence Krauss. The reason is because it depends on your own creativity in defining "something" vs. "nothing".

    January 21, 2013 at 2:18 pm |
    • OhPlease

      Based on your comments you're too much of an idiot to be able to write a book.

      January 21, 2013 at 2:21 pm |
    • Billy

      Aww, still crying because God lost at the recent Intelligence Squared debate??

      http://intelligencesquaredus.org/debates/upcoming-debates/item/728-science-refutes-god

      Poor Dinesh D'Souza and Ian Hutchinson. Looks like Lawrence Krauss and Michael Shermer won.

      January 21, 2013 at 4:45 pm |
    • jimbo913

      So where did you get your PhD in astrophysics from? I guess any idiot can get one of those too right? Your opinion does not equal his facts.

      January 22, 2013 at 1:30 pm |
    • joehova

      and any moron can write a book like Moses, Matthew, Ezra, Paul, et al.

      January 22, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
    • Buster

      Nope.

      January 22, 2013 at 8:57 pm |
  17. Buster

    Smart, well meaning scientists are pulling the wool over your eyes by trying to sell books to the mediocre masses that don't recognize their convoluted definition of the existence of "something" vs. "nothing".

    January 21, 2013 at 2:16 pm |
    • sam stone

      as opposed to well meaning clerics pulling the wool over people's eyes?

      January 22, 2013 at 9:06 am |
  18. Buster

    Dawkins is pulling the wool over your eyes.

    January 21, 2013 at 2:15 pm |
  19. Buster

    Dawkins is not smart, and does not know science.

    January 21, 2013 at 2:14 pm |
    • sam stone

      and you do, buster brown?

      January 22, 2013 at 9:07 am |
    • Saraswati

      All the top notch philosophers got bored with the god concept over a hundred years ago. If you want to talk to a living philosopher who gives a crap you have to accept that the field only puts its second or third tier people on this kind of thing.

      January 22, 2013 at 9:13 am |
    • Buster

      @sam stone

      yes.

      @sarawhopper

      no.

      January 22, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
  20. Zach

    Does the Bible say Jesus got dysentery? No? Then stop trying to add things to the Bible that you are not sure of.

    January 21, 2013 at 1:59 pm |
    • Major

      To be fair, nowhere does the Bible say that Jesus was immune to earthly diseases. He was fully human, at least physically. And all human bodies get sick at one point or another.

      January 21, 2013 at 2:07 pm |
    • OneMercilessMing

      The bible doesn't say he sneezed, passed gas, shat, or urinated, either. But, if he was fully human, he did just that.

      One of my favorite religious themed paintings is a color rendition of The Blessed Virgin Mary handing out the laundry (mostly diapers) with a naked baby Jesus playing in the dirt at her feet.

      The Apocrypha aslo tell tales of Jesus getting angy and tossing a playmate off the roof of his house, then bringing the boy back to life again. Then there's the tale of him making little clay birds and breathing life into them. Let's don't forget the recently discovered–and still being tested–scripture that refers to the Magdalene as his wife and the liklihood that the wedding in Cana was, in fact, the Christ's wedding. Otherwise, his mother would NEVER had overstepped her bounds as a guest and told waiters to do what her son said in making water into wine.

      January 21, 2013 at 6:04 pm |
    • Noodly

      Right Zach. The duty of the faithful is to believe, believe, believe. The book is the word and the word is lord. Don't question. Don't wonder. Don't deny. What a boring existence. I'm glad that as an atheist I don't suffer in the same kind of prison.

      January 23, 2013 at 8:38 pm |
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