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January 17th, 2013
05:54 AM ET

Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Thursday, January 17, 2013

By Arielle Hawkins , CNN

Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories.

From the Blog:

CNN: Survey: Few religious groups want Roe v. Wade overturned despite belief abortion morally wrong
Forty years after the Supreme Court protected abortion rights in Roe v. Wade, a new survey finds that white evangelicals remain the only major religious group that supports overturning the landmark ruling, even though most such groups find abortion morally wrong.

CNN: As U.S. senators visit, Egypt's president says remarks were not anti-Semitic
Egypt's president says comments he made more than two years ago that are being criticized as anti-Semitic were taken out of context, Egypt's official news agency reported Wednesday. President Mohamed Morsy said the statements, made in 2010, were about Israeli aggression against Palestinians in Gaza, not about the Jewish people, according to a statement published in Egypt News.

Tweet of the Day:

Photos of the Day:

Indian Sikh devotees carry the Guru Granth Sahib (Sikh Holy Book) on a palanquin during a procession from The Sri Akal Takhat at The Golden Temple in Amritsar on January 17, 2013. The procession took place on the eve of the 348th Birth Anniversary of tenth Sikh Guru Gobind Singh.

Foreign devotees participate in a session of yoga on the banks of the Sangam during the Kumbh Mela Festival in Allahabad on January 16, 2013. The Kumbh Mela in the Indian town of Allahabad will see up to 100 million worshippers gather over the next 55 days to take a ritual bath in the holy waters, believed to cleanse sins and bestow blessings

Pope Benedict XVI meets with US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta at the end of the General Audience at the Paul VI Hall on January 16, 2013 in Vatican City, Vatican. Panetta, a Catholic, will meet with defense ministers as part of his week long trip to Europe.

Enlightening Reads:

Washington Post: Leon Panetta to Pope Benedict: ‘Pray for me’
Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta took a break Wednesday from war planning and leading the world’s most powerful military to pay his respects to Pope Benedict XVI, a champion of peace. Panetta, an observant Catholic who proudly wears his Italian American heritage on his sleeve, beamed as he sat in a front row reserved for VIPs during the pope’s weekly general audience in a Vatican auditorium.

The Guardian: Horsemeat-in-burgers scandal prompts food hygiene fears
Religious leaders have expressed concern at DNA from horses and pigs being found in frozen beef burgers. Jewish leaders warned such incidents must not happen again, while the Muslim Council of Britain said it was worried by the whole issue of mis-description of food. John Benjamin, the chief executive of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, said: "Observant Jews would only eat certain types of meat, and even then only if the animal had been killed in accordance with the laws of kosher food production.

New York Times: At a Climate Protest, Science and Religion
Science and religion went hand-in-hand on Tuesday as leaders from both worlds gathered in front of the White House to protest what they cast as government inaction on climate change.

Religion News Service: Vatican criticizes European religious freedom ruling
The Vatican on Wednesday (Jan. 16) criticized a ruling from the European Court of Human Rights that affirms employers’ right to limit the expression of religious beliefs in the workplace when it conflicts with equality laws. In an interview with Vatican Radio, Archbishop Dominique Mamberti, the Vatican’s foreign minister, said that on “morally controversial subjects, such as abortion or homosexuality,” people have the right to defend their freedom of conscience.

Quote of the Day:

Because of the protections guaranteed by our Constitution, each of us has the right to practice our faith openly and as we choose. As a free country, our story has been shaped by every language and enriched by every culture. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus, Sikhs and non-believers. Our patchwork heritage is a strength we owe to our religious freedom.

Americans of every faith have molded the character of our Nation. They were pilgrims who sought refuge from persecution; pioneers who pursued brighter horizons; protesters who fought for abolition, women's suffrage, and civil rights. Each generation has seen people of different faiths join together to advance peace, justice, and dignity for all.

– An excerpt from the proclamation signed by the President today regarding Religious Freedom Day.

Join the conversation…

CNN iReport: Why I Raise My Children Without God
Deborah Mitchell, a mother of two teenagers in Texas, blogs about raising her children without religion. An avid reader of the Belief Blog, she said she shared this essay on CNN iReport because 'I just felt there is not a voice out there for women/moms like me. I think people misunderstand or are fearful of people who don’t believe in God.'

- A. Hawkins

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    August 8, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
  2. Science

    At its best here and peer reviewed .No go-d(s) required. Proven right here on this tread!!!

    January 18, 2013 at 9:40 am |
    • Science

      Oops thread

      January 18, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
  3. SImran

    Topher,
    You left the thread yesterday without giving us any insight into some problems with the whole concept of Jesus as the messiah. Care to address them today...
    1. Why were the Jews CHOSEN by god?
    2. Why did god need to give us a new covenant when he already had given the children of Israel an old covenant? Why was there a need for civil and ceremonial laws in the first place, and then no further need for them?
    3. Why do Jews reject Jesus as the messiah and call him the false one?

    January 18, 2013 at 8:06 am |
    • Chick-a-dee

      Hello SImran:

      1. Why were the Jews CHOSEN by god?
      Yesterday, I gave you these: According to the Rabbis, "Israel is of all nations the most willful or headstrong one, and the Torah was to give it the right scope and power of resistance, or else the world could not have withstood its fierceness."

      "The Lord offered the Law to all nations; but all refused to accept it except Israel."
      Since that didn't suffice, I posed this question to an apologist on the Catholic Answers Forum.
      Of all the peoples inhabiting the earth, why were the Jews chosen by God? Why wasn't it the Celts or the Huns or some other people? Did they do something particular? Or, did the rest of the population do something to exclude themselves? Or, is it one of those mysteries for which we haven't any answer? The closest I was able to find to an answer was the following, and it doesn't seem to answer the question satisfactorily.

      The following section contains information from the Jewish Encyclopedia, originally published between 1901-1906, which is in the public domain.

      According to the Rabbis, "Israel is of all nations the most willful or headstrong one, and the Torah was to give it the right scope and power of resistance, or else the world could not have withstood its fierceness."

      "The Lord offered the Law to all nations; but all refused to accept it except Israel."

      We'll see what their answer is. I went to sleep without reading my Salvation History as.signment.

      January 18, 2013 at 10:50 am |
    • Chick-a-dee

      2. Why did g0d need t0 give us a new c0venant when he already had given the children 0f Israel an 0ld c0venant? (My half-baked verbiage. It's t00 early t0 l00k things up.) The 0ld c0venant c0vered was with 0nly the Jews. The new c0venant is the next state 0f salvati0n hist0ry. It was made t0 include EVERY0NE s0 that EVERY0NE, living dead and yet t0 be b0rn, all can kn0w G0d while 0n earth and spend eternity with him.(... ;-) unless they want t0 be bl0ckheads wh0 insist 0n d0ing things by their 0wn laws thereby ch00sing t0 send themselves t0 a warmer climate). By the time 0f the new c0venant, M0saic law had been in place and established. 0bvi0usly it had it's merit... if y0u d0n't have refrigerati0n, it's g00d t0 have a law that pr0hibits eating things like shellfish & p0rk....if y0u live in a desert climate it's g00d t0 have a law that says wear s0mething 0n y0ur head 0utside...and then there are th0se laws that were particular t0 making life in that time, and with the kn0wledge acquired by pe0ple up until that time, civil and predictable.

      Why was there a need f0r civil and cerem0nial laws in the first place, and then n0 further need f0r them? There's the 10 c0mmandments...laws that are s0 simple and straightf0rward that 0f c0urse humans can't easily f0ll0w them – each requires that 0ne turns away fr0m a particular sin, pride, greed, lust, envy, anger and s0 0n...., these sins are intrinsically evil. What d0 y0u d0 when s0me0ne breaks 0ne 0f these laws? The civil laws c0dify punishment and remedies f0r breaking the laws. Cerem0nial laws give the pe0ple a unifying, h0m0gene0us traditi0n within the law. The new c0venant, did N0T replace the c0mmandments. It did N0T replace the laws regarding what is and is n0t an intrinsic evil. It did replace the civil law f0r h0w t0 punish and remedy because we are t0 l0ve each 0ther, we are t0 repent 0f 0ur sins, t0 ask f0r the graces necessary t0 av0id c0ntinuing t0 c0mmit these sins in the future, t0 ask f0r f0rgiveness and t0 f0rgive 0thers. Apparently, we humans are still w0rking 0n getting that 0ne d0wn pat. Traditi0n has been retained in s0me respects but where it is superceded by l0ve and f0rgiveness it isn't necessary.

      3. Why d0 Jews reject Jesus as the messiah and call him the false 0ne? Uh... I guess this is 0ne f0r the Jewish answers f0rum.

      N0w I g0 t0 seek caffeine....

      January 18, 2013 at 10:53 am |
    • Gir

      All Topher has done here is demonstrate his lack of knowledge of the Scientific Process.

      January 18, 2013 at 11:10 am |
    • Chick-a-dee

      Duh! Topher hasn't logged in with his take on it yet.

      January 18, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
    • Chick-a-dee

      @ Gir: What the frig does the scientific process have to do with this AT ALL?? Holy Scripture is NOT a science textbook. It is NOT a historical text in the modern sense...it is textual oral tradition from prehistoric times to biblical times, then eye witness accounts in the gospel and Acts, and mystical revelation in the last book. None of these are intended to be scrutinized scientifically, they are to be understood within the context of human nature and its relationship to creation. It is not to be interpreted by every Tom, Dick and Harry... or Martin, Luther and James. ;-) God didn't have a stenographer following him around. Neither did He expect that we sit on our hands for 1500 or so years waiting around for the Protestants to figure out what He was telling us. He gave us the Church and gave it teaching authority so the message could get through to everyone, in every place, at all levels of functionality and intelligence, at all levels of education. That is why scripture is only ONE pillar of the Church... we are also taught by the Magisterium, tradition and we participate in the sacraments to unify as one loving people – not that we're in any danger of getting that accomplished in the next week or so.

      January 18, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Chick – scroll down a bit on this page. You'll see the reference there.

      January 18, 2013 at 12:35 pm |
    • SImran

      Chick
      I dont care what your holy scripture has to say about this. I ask you of your own answers – answers that your own mind can think of, logically, rationally.

      My own opinion:
      1. Why were the Jews CHOSEN by god?
      Bcoz they were the ones who wrote the story, just like people in the east wrote theirs, and said other stories will be false.

      2. Why did god need to give us a new covenant when he already had given the children of Israel an old covenant?
      Bocz as morality evolved, people started to realize that the civil and ceremonial laws were absurd, cruel and brutal and had to be let go.

      3. Why do Jews reject Jesus?
      Pretty much the same reason why christians reject the beliefs of others, egocentricity.

      January 18, 2013 at 1:06 pm |
    • Chick-a-dee

      @ SImran:
      "I dont care what your holy scripture has to say about this. I ask you of your own answers – answers that your own mind can think of, logically, rationally."

      OK. Fair enough...here ya go.
      1. Why were the Jews CHOSEN by god?
      What difference does it make? Somebody was chosen.

      2. Why did god need to give us a new covenant when he already had given the children of Israel an old covenant?
      Because Salvation: New Covenant – the sequel was already planned production from the beginning it wasn't a linear progression – "X is needed now because A and B happened and now here's the fix for it". God's time has to be much more multidimensional than we, with our limited capabilities, can imagine. When I try to imagine it, it's something like He knows all the variables and all of the results of our individual choices in an infinite number of possibilities and which in which ones He will intervene. Multiple computations past our wildest dreams of supercomputing.

      3. Why do Jews reject Jesus?
      Obviously not all do. Some embraced Jesus during Gospel times. Some converted later. Some convert today. Some never will. Each has to speak for himself

      January 19, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
  4. ???????

    Reviewing the comments noticed someting interesting. Science PROVED it does not work the way the bible said it does.

    All the facts are here on this tread. Peer reviewed !!!

    January 18, 2013 at 6:35 am |
    • ???????

      Oops here is tread.

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/17/belief-blogs-morning-speed-read-for-thursday-january-17-2013/#comments

      January 18, 2013 at 7:41 am |
    • ???????

      Oops thread

      January 18, 2013 at 12:50 pm |
  5. Bob "Whiitey" Lynch, Grand Dragon of the KKK

    At Topher's request, I peer reviewed that article on the high percentage of rat DNA in Jews by Grand Dragon Peter Whacker. Looks good to me. That proves it.

    January 17, 2013 at 11:05 pm |
    • Gir

      How many pints have you had today?

      January 18, 2013 at 10:55 am |
    • Billy the Topherwhacker Kid

      Topher-style peer review makes such sense, doesn't it?

      January 18, 2013 at 1:02 pm |
  6. Too many Christians, Not Enough Lions

    Can you imagine having Topher or Chad or Robert Brown or Prayer Troll as a co-worker? I bet that unless they mow lawns at the church or fat-fry the chicken-lard patties at Chik Fli A, they have been asked to stop annoying the other workers.

    No boss would want them in contact with the public, unless they are asking if they wan t to supersize the order.

    January 17, 2013 at 10:27 pm |
    • Question

      If you die and find yourself surrounded by Tophu, Chud, truth be mold, and LamelyLump, and a lot of people likethem, and you are told that you are stuck there for the rest of eternity, and all you get to do is suck up to God 24/7, well . . .

      does that sound likeheaven, or hell?

      January 17, 2013 at 11:11 pm |
    • Saraswati

      @question, that's where Stockholm syndrome comes in handy.

      January 17, 2013 at 11:13 pm |
  7. Science

    Peer reviewed .thanks .

    All free nuts have common sense day OK

    Peace

    January 17, 2013 at 8:40 pm |
    • It is Called

      It is Called see video below Good night

      Principles of Evolution, Ecology and Behavior (EEB 122)

      Geology and climate have shaped the development of life tremendously. This has occurred in the form of processes such as the oxygenation of the atmosphere, mass extinctions, tectonic drift, and disasters such as floods and volcanic eruptions. Life, particularly bacteria, has also been able to impact the geological makeup of the planet through metabolic processes.

      00:00 – Chapter 1. Introduction
      02:16 – Chapter 2. The Oxygenation of the Atmosphere
      09:08 – Chapter 3. Evidence of Climate Change
      17:36 – Chapter 4. Geological Impact on Life
      29:37 – Chapter 5. Mass Extinctions
      42:19 – Chapter 6. Earthquakes, Eruptions, and Floods
      46:38 – Chapter 7. Conclusion

      Complete course materials are available at the Open Yale Courses website: http://open.yale.edu/courses

      This course was recorded in Spring 2009
      Category
      Education

      January 17, 2013 at 8:51 pm |
  8. Topher

    Topher's continued thread is now found here ...

    January 17, 2013 at 8:04 pm |
    • midwest rail

      One more reply, previous page.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:09 pm |
    • Free Nuts

      Free nuts all around today

      January 17, 2013 at 8:09 pm |
    • Topher

      The Traveler

      "Ok. What do you think of faithful individuals that do not accept young earth creationism, the literalism of genesis, the flood story, Jonah and the whale, and the other more incredulous stuff in the bible, but nevertheless maintain strong faith in the gospel of JC?"

      I just think you're wrong. That's all. It's OK to disagree.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:10 pm |
    • Topher

      midwest rail

      "As to their work being reviewed, if only other creationists are reviewing their work, then they are merely confirming it;s conformation to theology, not science. It remains as intellectually dishonest as is possible."

      But dude, that's what "peer-reviewed" means. The same thing happens when someone writes a paper on evolution and others who believe in evolution review it. That's how it works.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:14 pm |
    • Billy (7 years old)

      So how did Noah put those bug turtles on the Galapagos. You're just pulling my leg with all this religous junk.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:18 pm |
    • midwest rail

      But Topher, they are claiming it is SCIENCE – it is not science, and it is being represented as such.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:24 pm |
    • Harry Kandes

      Topher, "peer review" is when a properly trained specialist reviews the work of another properly trained specialist. If the claim is scientific, then the lack of appropriate scientific credentials in both parties means that it was a purely amateur work that was read by yet another incompetent individual. Your assertion is silly.

      I must admit, it is very funny to watch religious people try to play scientist. It's very much like watching little children dress up like doctors. But "peer reviewed" or not, you wouldn't want those kids actually doing anything medical.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:30 pm |
    • Topher

      midwest rail

      But it is. For instance, when "science" and the Bible disagree, AiG backs up their claims with science. For instance, evolution (and I'm not looking to get into an evolution debate). It doesn't match the Bible. So we say, 'Nope, they don't agree. We hold the Bible as the supreme authority and here's some science (micro vs. macro evolution) to back up our claims.' Now granted, there's historical science that science is only giving a "maybe" conjecture to. For instance, plants came before sunlight. Scientists would conclude that's impossible. But since no one was there to witness it, it could never be proven one way or the other. You hold your position, I hold mine.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:32 pm |
    • Saraswati

      "But dude, that's what "peer-reviewed" means. The same thing happens when someone writes a paper on evolution and others who believe in evolution review it. That's how it works"

      Just...wow...

      January 17, 2013 at 8:32 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Fine. As to the other point from the previous page ?

      January 17, 2013 at 8:33 pm |
    • Topher

      I think I mistakenly stated something earlier that I want to correct ... from Genesis 6:20 ...

      "Of the birds according to their kinds, and of the animals according to their kinds, of every creeping thing of the ground, according to its kind, two of every sort shall come in to you to keep them alive."

      I think I said I didn't have scripture to back up how the animals just showed up at the Ark ... I was mistaken according to the above quote.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:35 pm |
    • Topher

      Remind me?

      January 17, 2013 at 8:38 pm |
    • midwest rail

      If they are going to represent this as proof that the Ark was possible, they have a burden of proving that it floats – loaded. Otherwise, no proof.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:40 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Topher

      "But dude, that's what "peer-reviewed" means. The same thing happens when someone writes a paper on evolution and others who believe in evolution review it. That's how it works."

      That might be how it works in the Discovery Institute, but real scientists put their ideas up for peer review with people who actively try to disprove it. That's how you know a model works in science, if it holds up to scrutiny and repeated attempts to disprove it. That's how a hypothesis becomes a theory.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:42 pm |
    • Free nuts

      Free nuts all around

      January 17, 2013 at 8:43 pm |
    • Billy (7 years old)

      Ain't no damn way those giant turtles just got dropped off in Gibraltar and jus swam all the way to the Galapagos.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:44 pm |
    • Saraswati

      @midwest rail, If God was causing the animals to walk two by two up to the ark I can't imagine that it's going to matter much if it floats or not. The all-powerful god picks and chooses what to help out with. Rather than just snap his metaphorical fingers he created a giant flood and made someone build a boat. If it wasn't able to float by normal physics presumably he could magic it to be floatable. There's just nothing in here to debate if you assume an all-powerful but highly whimsical (and maybe a little twisted) god as a premise.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:45 pm |
    • Topher

      midwest rail

      Are you contending it might have been too heavy?

      OK, so this isn't proof it would float, but I think this interesting none the less ...

      "The dimensions of the Ark are convincing for two reasons: the proportions are like that of a modern cargo ship, and it is about as large as a wooden ship can be built. ... In the Western world, wooden sailing ships never got much longer than about 330 feet (the ark would have 137 m), yet the ancient Greeks built vessels at least this size 2,000 years earlier. China built huge wooden ships in the 1400s that may have been as large as the Ark. The biblical Ark is one of the largest wooden ships of all time —a mid-sized cargo ship by today's standards."

      January 17, 2013 at 8:46 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Sara, I agree – unless it is being presented as science, which these people ( AiG ) do.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:47 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Topher, once again, I'm not contending anything. They are the ones presenting it as proof that the Ark is feasible scientifically. That puts the burden on them .

      January 17, 2013 at 8:49 pm |
    • Topher

      midwest rail

      I'm not trying to put words in your mouth; just trying to get your opinion.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:52 pm |
    • psych ward staff

      True saraswati. In the details behind the scenes of the Biblical version, we have to imagine and assume that God was even able to get the animals to sanitize themselves at a Purell stand at the entrance to the ark as well. Of course God could have Purell'ed them with a snap of his fingers (after using Purell first himself, of course). but if one starts to look at the whole Bible that way, you'd think there would be a little more residue of that kind of magic lying around.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:54 pm |
    • midwest rail

      My opinion is not relevant to the point. If they are going to represent this as proof that the Ark is feasible scientifically, then the burden is on them to show that it floats and is stable in the water with whatever the load is that they claim.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:54 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Weeee topher is still ignoring some people who point out where he is wrong. How very apologist of him.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:55 pm |
    • Saraswati

      @psych,

      "but if one starts to look at the whole Bible that way, you'd think there would be a little more residue of that kind of magic lying around."

      If I could find some of that magic residue I might get on board with some of this religion stuff. Magic would be cool.

      January 17, 2013 at 9:01 pm |
    • Icon of Sin

      Damn Toph, mental gymnastics must be exhausting.

      January 17, 2013 at 9:06 pm |
    • midwest rail

      @ hawaii – I noticed that as well. I just didn't feel like looking up the accepted definition of peer reviewed. Thank you.

      January 17, 2013 at 9:06 pm |
    • It s Called

      Topher is missing the point all together
      Look at Robert Browns comments previous page

      Who made the F- 35 fighter plane ? Humans not god(s) Robert brown said evil made them !!!
      Peace

      January 17, 2013 at 9:06 pm |
    • Topher

      Alright, dude. I'm taking off for awhile. Got a paperback I'm looking forward to reading.

      January 17, 2013 at 9:07 pm |
    • Icon of Sin

      Ha. See. He is mentally whipped from all the spinning.

      January 17, 2013 at 9:09 pm |
    • midwest rail

      After all that, that's your answer ? Really ? C'mon man, just admit that the whole exercise they are engaged in is intellectual dishonesty. Their Ark is nothing more than an amusement park attraction, proof of nothing.

      January 17, 2013 at 9:10 pm |
    • It is Called

      No war for me thank you.
      Peace

      January 17, 2013 at 9:12 pm |
    • End Religion

      "wood floats"

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipwreck

      January 17, 2013 at 9:22 pm |
    • Free Nuts

      Free nuts ran out

      January 17, 2013 at 9:49 pm |
    • Logic, the enemy of religion

      Of the ships listed as having been as large as Noah's ark, none have anything other than a mention by someone writing a couple hundred years later, so the veractiy of these claims is incredibly poor.

      As Western shipbuilding achieved the very highest standards of wood construction, it is safe to accept their experience that no matter how you build it, a wooden ship over 325 feet is structurally very weak and excessively flexible, resulting in an unstable ship that would break up on the open ocean. A very heavily laden boat like the ark would require very little sea state to cause structural failure.

      If you base the ark on it's modern sized equivalent, the Liberty Ship, it would take Noah and his sons about 200 years of 12 hours-a-day 6 days-a-week work, and that is being generous – much of the Liberty Ship was prefabricated, and Noah would have to go cut down and mill and transport an enormous amount of wood (in a desert) for the project as well.

      And that's just the boat. It would take centuries to gather enough of the various provisions that would keep the people and animals alive for 150 days, and of course the boat just isn't big enough for all the animals and provisions.

      Really, for Noah's Ark to works, God would have to get very labor-intensive and involved and transport all the animals from all over the world, accelerate the building or the ark, hold it together the whole time because it is structurally weak and built by total amateurs, flood the world, keep the climate for each animal just right, because many would die in the unnatural climate of the ark, deflood the world, ship all the animals back to their old homes, instagrow back their forests and other habitat that takes centuries to evolve, provide them with food so the predators don't wipe out the prey and anything else they can eat and then starve, then turn the offspring of Noah's family into myriad forms of Whites and Blacks and Aborigines and Indians and Asians, and get them to their respective locations around the world . . .

      It's a really stupid plan that requires a LOT of goddy-magic. A Noah-and-animal proof virus would have worked a lot better.

      But no.

      Ever wonder why god had to slaughter all the billions of animals on the planet as well? It's a very dickheaded thing to do, and really stupid if the goal is to have all the animals survive.

      January 17, 2013 at 10:57 pm |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      Re: peer review, as alluded to above, it also means use of the scientific method to rigorously explore and test a claim. How many people believe The Babble and associated myths would survive a rigorous review using modern scientific methods? Here's a hint – no religious artifact has stood up to such a review.

      January 18, 2013 at 12:27 am |
    • ME II

      @Topher,
      Your claim that AIG is scientific or produces scientific findings is false, in general.

      In response to AIG's about no evidence being valid "if it contradicts the scriptural record." ( http://answersingenesis.com/about/faith )

      You said, " that's just correct theology", which is exactly the point. It may be valid theology, I can't say, but it is not valide science.

      According to the latest edition of Science, Evolution, and Creationism, issued by the National Academy of Sciences and the Insti.tute of Medicine in early 2008, science is "the use of evidence to construct testable explanation and prediction of natural phenomena, as well as the knowledge generated through this process."
      (http://www.nationalacademies.org/newsroom/faq/index.html)

      AIG is stating, up front that they will disregard evidence if it contradicts scripture, or consider it invalid, which amounts to the same thing. That is not science.

      You said, "But dude, that's what 'peer-reviewed' means" in reference to AIG's journal and peer-review. While "peer-review" literally may mean "reviewed by peers", in science "peer-reviewed journals" means that the article has been through a process of review by independent qualified scientists in an attempt " to ensure that the report addresses the approved study charge and does not go beyond it; the findings are supported by the evidence and arguments presented; and the exposition and organization are effective." (http://www.nationalacademies.org/newsroom/faq/index.html)

      I don't know what AIG's review process is, but simply by limiting the review to "creation scientists" they are not following generally accepted procedures for peer-review in most science journals.

      You said,
      "... when 'science' and the Bible disagree, AiG backs up their claims with science. For instance, evolution (and I'm not looking to get into an evolution debate). It doesn't match the Bible. So we say, 'Nope, they don't agree. We hold the Bible as the supreme authority and here's some science (micro vs. macro evolution) to back up our claims.'"

      First, holding "the Bible as the supreme authority" is not science, it is theology.
      Second, the "some science... to back up our claims" is not science if all the research is predicated on theology, i.e. "the Bible as the supreme authority", as "creation scientists" would do, apparently. This is not "use of evidence", as stated by NAS, it is disregarding evidence.

      Although this does not preclude AIG from, in specific cases, producing actual scientific findings, it does preclude using AIG and an authoritative source of scientific information. In other words, any AIG information would need to be confirmed or verified by a reputable independent source before being tentatively accepted as accurate.

      January 18, 2013 at 11:31 am |
    • midwest rail

      AiG is engaged in "science" in the same fashion that Space Mountain is an extension of NASA. The Ark Encounter is an amusement park attraction, nothing more, nothing less.

      January 18, 2013 at 11:44 am |
  9. truth be told

    All atheists are liars at a minimum and mass murderers given the opportunity.

    January 17, 2013 at 7:55 pm |
  10. truth be told

    The atheist sc um cannot stand to have the Truth about them being liars exposed. There is no place for an atheist in this world or the next anyway.

    January 17, 2013 at 7:53 pm |
  11. Gir

    Athens was a real city. Does that mean Athena exists?

    January 17, 2013 at 6:16 pm |
    • Nuts Free

      Free nut all around today

      January 17, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
    • Nuts Free

      Free nuts above

      January 17, 2013 at 8:12 pm |
  12. Science

    Science that has been peer reviewed thanks.
    Lets work on
    Peace

    January 17, 2013 at 6:00 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Science,

      1. Atomic Cosmology

      2. Celestial Cosmology

      3. Cellular Cosmology

      Now if only "Science" can put these three orders of Cosmology into a book to be reviewed.

      January 17, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
    • It is Called

      Principles of Evolution, Ecology and Behavior (EEB 122)

      Geology and climate have shaped the development of life tremendously. This has occurred in the form of processes such as the oxygenation of the atmosphere, mass extinctions, tectonic drift, and disasters such as floods and volcanic eruptions. Life, particularly bacteria, has also been able to impact the geological makeup of the planet through metabolic processes.

      00:00 – Chapter 1. Introduction
      02:16 – Chapter 2. The Oxygenation of the Atmosphere
      09:08 – Chapter 3. Evidence of Climate Change
      17:36 – Chapter 4. Geological Impact on Life
      29:37 – Chapter 5. Mass Extinctions
      42:19 – Chapter 6. Earthquakes, Eruptions, and Floods
      46:38 – Chapter 7. Conclusion

      Complete course materials are available at the Open Yale Courses website: http://open.yale.edu/courses

      This course was recorded in Spring 2009
      Category
      Education
      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6Dl_Vs-ZkY&w=640&h=390]

      January 17, 2013 at 7:06 pm |
  13. truth be told

    Noting that all atheist types are liars puts their filthy thoughts in proper perspective. Rotting sewage waste is of more value to humanity than all atheists combined.

    January 17, 2013 at 4:45 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      truth be told,

      The table of humanisms are graphed and charted. The chairs are all set up according to each graphed slicing. Though their food is different, all their plates and wares are of sameness. Each are fed to their fullness needs and watered affluently. No one individual is left uncharted yet finding a seat to be chaired sometimes is a problematic issue.

      January 17, 2013 at 5:02 pm |
    • Akira

      Noting that all troll types are liars puts their filthy thoughts in proper perspective. Rotting sewage waste is of more value to humanity than trolls, especially those named 'truth be told', combined.

      January 17, 2013 at 6:33 pm |
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