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Godless mom strikes a chord with parents
A CNN iReport essay on raising kids without God draws record-breaking number of comments.
January 18th, 2013
06:32 PM ET

Godless mom strikes a chord with parents

By Daphne Sashin, CNN

Deborah Mitchell remembers the time, when her boys were younger, and another mom asked her about her religious beliefs.

Mitchell was raised Catholic but moved away from religion in her early 20s. She told the other mother that she didn’t go to church and didn’t even really believe in God.

Then, she says, the recruiting started.

“She used to call my house and tell me she was praying for me. She’d leave me messages and leave cards in my mailbox with scripture,” Mitchell says. “I do realize that she meant well, but at the same time, I know my views were seen as wrong. I needed to be ‘saved.’”

Mitchell, a mother of two teenagers in Texas who feels “immersed in Christianity,” started a blog about raising her children without religion because she felt frustrated and marginalized. She didn’t want to feel so alone, she says.

This week, she gained a whole new audience and the reassurance that she's not alone. Her essay on CNN iReport, “Why I Raise My Children Without God,” drew 650,000 page views, the second highest for an iReport, and the most comments of any submission on the citizen journalism platform.

It starts:

When my son was around 3 years old, he used to ask me a lot of questions about heaven. Where is it? How do people walk without a body? How will I find you? You know the questions that kids ask.

For over a year, I lied to him and made up stories that I didn’t believe about heaven. Like most parents, I love my child so much that I didn’t want him to be scared. I wanted him to feel safe and loved and full of hope. But the trade-off was that I would have to make stuff up, and I would have to brainwash him into believing stories that didn’t make sense, stories that I didn’t believe either.

Mitchell posted the essay detailing her seven reasons for raising her children without God on CNN iReport because she felt there wasn’t anyone else speaking for women or moms like her. As she sees it, children should learn to do the right things because they will feel better about themselves, not because God is watching. She asks questions like: If there was a good, all-knowing, all-powerful God, why would he allow murders, child abuse and torture?

Lots of people disagreed with her. Tons. They flagged her iReport as inappropriate and criticized CNN for linking to her essay on the CNN.com homepage. But there were plenty of others who wrote thoughtful rebuttals, respectfully disagreeing with Mitchell while not foisting their own beliefs on her. Take, for instance, a Methodist dad, who said faith can be hard to nail down, but “not to avail ourselves of the power of something we don't completely understand is silly.”

Others said Mitchell presented a simplistic view of religion.

“Presentations such as these seem to ignore a substantial percentage of believers - well-educated, compassionate, liberal folk, Christian and non-Christian alike - who, I feel, are able to worship without being blind to the realities of the world, or without lying to their children about their understanding of these complexities,” wrote commenter RMooradian. “I'll be raising my children with God, but I understand those who cannot!”

But Mitchell’s essay also struck a chord with hundreds of like-minded parents raising children in a world where lack of belief puts them in the minority, often even in their own family.

“Thank you for writing this. I agree with everything you say, but I’m not brave enough to tell everyone I know this is how I feel,” a woman who called herself an “agnostic mommy of two in Alabama” posted in the comments. “Thank you for your bravery and letting me know I’m not alone.”

It’s a growing group. One in five Americans is not affiliated with any religion, and that number has grown by 25% in the past five years, according to a survey by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life. Of that group, 88% said they were not looking for religion, although 68% of the unaffiliated said they believe in God. 

Brittany Branyon, an American graduate student and substitute teacher living in Germany, was also compelled to express her thanks to Mitchell. Branyon was raised Southern Baptist in Georgia and Alabama. In high school, when she began to question the theory of creation and befriended gay and lesbian students, she says her mother tried to perform an exorcism.

“She opened all the windows and doors in the house, brought me to the door, held my shoulders and shook me while screaming, ‘Satan, get out of this child!’, ‘Satan, leave this child alone!’.”

After moving away from the South, she and her husband “became more comfortable in our secular ways,” but still take criticism from family members. They are now expecting their first child.

“Though we are elated to welcome our child into the world, we can’t help but dread the religious uproar that is to come from our families,” she wrote in an e-mail.

Such an uproar is familiar to Carol Phillips, a stay-at-home mother in northern Virginia. When she gave birth to her first child, she said her family was shocked that the baby wasn’t baptized. She said her mother-in-law cried and told her the little girl’s soul would not go to heaven.

Then there are the comments from strangers. Last year, Phillips said she and her daughter were at a birthday party when a tornado warning sounded.

“We were all in the basement keeping safe. A little girl was saying baby Jesus will keep us safe. My daughter asked who Jesus was. The rest of the time was spent hearing ‘I'll pray for you sweetie, we can take you to church with us if you want,’” Phillips told CNN.

Commenting on Mitchell’s iReport, Phillips said, “To live out loud and to speak freely about my beliefs brings many clucking tongues. I would think it’s easier to come out as gay than atheist.”

Mitchell said she spent years studying the history of religion and does believe it has “an important place in our community.” She has told her children that she’ll be fine if they decide to join a church when they are older.

She ended her essay:

I understand why people need God. I understand why people need heaven. It is terrifying to think that we are all alone in this universe, that one day we—along with the children we love so much—will cease to exist. The idea of God and an afterlife gives many of us structure, community and hope.

I do not want religion to go away. I only want religion to be kept at home or in church where it belongs. It’s a personal effect, like a toothbrush or a pair of shoes. It’s not something to be used or worn by strangers. I want my children to be free not to believe and to know that our schools and our government will make decisions based on what is logical, just and fair—not on what they believe an imaginary God wants.

After her post ran on CNN, Mitchell said she was encouraged by the number of people who agreed with her, or who disagreed but wanted to have a respectful discussion.

“I’m not saying that everybody should think how I do. I’m saying the people that do should have a place in our society and have acceptance and respect,” she said. “I just want to have children grow up and be able to not be afraid to say ‘I don’t believe that,’ or ‘I’m not part of that.’” 

- CNN Belief Blog

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    Prophecies Relating to Christ’s Crucifixion
    1. Sold for Thirty Pieces of Silver
    Prophecy: Zechariah 11:12 And I said to them, “If it is good in your sight, give me my wages; but if not, never mind!” So they weighed out thirty shekels of silver as my wages.

    Fulfillment: Matthew 26:14-15 Then one of the twelve, named Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests, 15 and said, “What are you willing to give me to deliver Him up to you?” And they weighed out to him thirty pieces of silver.

    2. Betrayed By a Friend
    Prophecy: Psalm 55:12-14 For it is not an enemy who reproaches me, Then I could bear it; Nor is it one who hates me who has exalted himself against me, Then I could hide myself from him. 13 But it is you, a man my equal, My companion and my familiar friend. 14 We who had sweet fellowship together, Walked in the house of God in the throng. (See also Psalm 41:9; Zech 13:6).

    Fulfillment: Matthew 26:49-50 And immediately he went to Jesus and said, “Hail, Rabbi!” and kissed Him. 50 And Jesus said to him, “Friend, do what you have come for.” Then they came and laid hands on Jesus and seized Him.

    3. The Money Cast to the Potter
    Prophecy: Zechariah 11:13 Then the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the potter, that magnificent price at which I was valued by them.” So I took the thirty shekels of silver and threw them to the potter in the house of the LORD.

    Fulfillment: Matthew 27:5-7 And he threw the pieces of silver into the sanctuary and departed; and he went away and hanged himself. 6 And the chief priests took the pieces of silver and said, “It is not lawful to put them into the temple treasury, since it is the price of blood.” 7 And they counseled together and with the money bought the Potter’s Field as a burial place for strangers.

    NOTE: Notice that in both prophecy and fulfillment we find stated that (1) it was silver; (2) there were 30 pieces (Matt. 27:3); (3) they were thrown down; (4) they were cast down in the House of the Lord; and (5) the money was used to purchase the potter’s field.

    4. The Disciples Forsook Him
    Prophecy: Zechariah 13:7 "Awake, O sword, against My Shepherd, And against the man, My Associate," Declares the LORD of hosts. "Strike the Shepherd that the sheep may be scattered; And I will turn My hand against the little ones.

    Fulfillment: Matthew 26:56 “But all this has taken place that the Scriptures of the prophets may be fulfilled.” Then all the disciples left Him and fled. (See also Mark 14:27)

    5. Accused by False Witnesses
    Prophecy: Psalm 35:11 Malicious witnesses rise up; They ask me of things that I do not know.

    Fulfillment: Matthew 26:59-60 Now the chief priests and the whole Council kept trying to obtain false testimony against Jesus, in order that they might put Him to death; and they did not find any, even though many false witnesses came forward. But later on two came forward, . . .

    6. Smitten and Spit Upon
    Prophecy: Isaiah 50:6 I gave My back to those who strike Me, And My cheeks to those who pluck out the beard; I did not cover My face from humiliation and spitting.

    Fulfillment: Matthew 27:30 And they spat on Him, and took the reed and began to beat Him on the head.

    NOTE: Note here the details that correspond in both prophecy and fulfillment (1) He was to be smitten, (2) He was to be smitten on the face (as well as the other parts of the body). See Luke 22:64. (3) He was to be spit upon, and (4) He was to be spitten upon in the face.

    7. Dumb Before His Accusers
    Prophecy: Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted, Yet He did not open His mouth; Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, So He did not open His mouth.

    Fulfillment: Matthew 27:12-14 And while He was being accused by the chief priests and elders, He made no answer. Then Pilate said to Him, “Do You not hear how many things they testify against You?” And He did not answer him with regard to even a single charge, so that the governor was quite amazed.

    8. Wounded and Bruised
    Prophecy: Isaiah 53:5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed.

    Fulfillment: Matthew 27:26, 29 Then he released Barabbas for them; but after having Jesus scourged, he delivered Him to be crucified. . . . And after weaving a crown of thorns, they put it on His head, and a reed in His right hand; and they kneeled down before Him and mocked Him, saying, “Hail, King of the Jews!”

    9. Fell Under the Cross
    Prophecy: Psalm 109:24 My knees are weak from fasting; And my flesh has grown lean, without fatness.

    Fulfillment: John 19:17 They took Jesus therefore, and He went out, bearing His own cross, to the place called the Place of a Skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha. Luke 23:26 And when they led Him away, they laid hold of one Simon of Cyrene, coming in from the country, and placed on him the cross to carry behind Jesus.

    NOTE: Evidently the Lord was so weak that His knees gave way under the weight of the heavy cross. So they had to put it on another.

    10. Hands and Feet Pierced
    Prophecy: Psalm 22:16 For dogs have surrounded me; A band of evildoers has encompassed me; They pierced my hands and my feet.

    Fulfillment: Luke 23:33 And when they came to the place called The Skull, there they crucified Him and the criminals, one on the right and the other on the left.

    NOTE: Christ was crucified in the customary Roman manner, the hands and feet being pierced by huge spikes which fastened the body to the wooden cross. See John 20:25-27 “ . . . except I shall see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails . . . Then said He (Jesus) to Thomas, reach hither thy finger and behold My hands,” etc.

    11. Crucified with Thieves
    Prophecy: Isaiah 53:12 Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great, And He will divide the booty with the strong; Because He poured out Himself to death, And was numbered with the transgressors; Yet He Himself bore the sin of many, And interceded for the transgressors.

    Fulfillment: Mark 15:27-28 And they crucified two robbers with Him, one on His right and one on His left. 28 (And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "And He was numbered with transgressors.")

    12. Prayed For His Persecutors
    Prophecy: Isaiah 53:12 Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great, And He will divide the booty with the strong; Because He poured out Himself to death, And was numbered with the transgressors; Yet He Himself bore the sin of many, And interceded for the transgressors. (emphasis mine)

    Fulfillment: Luke 23:34 But Jesus was saying, “Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing.” And they cast lots, dividing up His garments among themselves.

    Here Jesus, as foreseen by Isaiah, “interceded for the transgressors” who nailed him to the cross.

    13. People Shook Their Heads
    Prophecy: Psalm 109:25 I also have become a reproach to them; When they see me, they wag their head.

    Fulfillment: Matthew 27:39 And those passing by were hurling abuse at Him, wagging their heads.

    14. People Ridiculed Him
    Prophecy: Psalm 22:8 “Commit yourself to the LORD; let Him deliver him; Let Him rescue him, because He delights in him.”

    Fulfillment: Matthew 27:41-43 In the same way the chief priests also, along with the scribes and elders, were mocking Him, and saying, 42 “He saved others; He cannot save Himself. He is the King of Israel; let Him now come down from the cross, and we shall believe in Him. 43 “He trusts in God; let Him deliver Him now, if He takes pleasure in Him; for He said, ‘I am the Son of God.’”

    15. People Astonished
    Prophecy: Psalm 22:17 I can count all my bones. They look, they stare at me;

    Fulfillment: Luke 23:35 And the people stood by, looking on. And even the rulers were sneering at Him, saying, “He saved others; let Him save Himself if this is the Christ of God, His Chosen One.”

    16. Garments Parted and Lots Cast
    Prophecy: Psalm 22:18 They divide my garments among them, And for my clothing they cast lots.

    Fulfillment: John 19:23-24 The soldiers therefore, when they had crucified Jesus, took His outer garments and made four parts, a part to every soldier and also the tunic; now the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece. 24 They said therefore to one another, “Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it, to decide whose it shall be”; that the Scripture might be fulfilled, “They divided My outer garments among them, and for My clothing they cast lots.”

    NOTE: How exact the inspired prophecy! The garments were to be parted among them, but the vesture was to be awarded to one by lots. These were statements that would appear almost contradictory unless explained by the record of the scene at the cross.

    17. His Forsaken Cry
    Prophecy: Psalm 22:1 For the choir director; upon Aijeleth Hashshahar. A Psalm of David. My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me? Far from my deliverance are the words of my groaning.

    Fulfillment: Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “ Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? “that is, “ My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me ?”

    18. Gall and Vinegar Given Him
    Prophecy: Psalm 69:21 They also gave me gall for my food, And for my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.

    Fulfillment: John 19:28-29 After this, Jesus, knowing that all things had already been accomplished, in order that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I am thirsty.” 29 A jar full of sour wine was standing there; so they put a sponge full of the sour wine upon a branch of hyssop, and brought it up to His mouth.

    19. Committed Himself to God
    Prophecy: Psalm 31:5 Into Thy hand I commit my spirit; Thou hast ransomed me, O LORD, God of truth.

    Fulfillment: Luke 23:46 And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said, “Father, into Thy hands I commit My spirit.” And having said this, He breathed His last.

    20. Friends Stood Afar Off
    Prophecy: Psalm 38:11 My loved ones and my friends stand aloof from my plague; And my kinsmen stand afar off.

    Fulfillment: Luke 23:49 And all His acquaintances and the women who accompanied Him from Galilee, were standing at a distance, seeing these things.

    21. Bones Not Broken
    Prophecy: Psalm 34:20 He keeps all his bones; Not one of them is broken.

    Fulfillment: John 19:33, 36 but coming to Jesus, when they saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs; . . . 36 For these things came to pass, that the Scripture might be fulfilled,” Not a bone of Him shall be broken. “

    NOTE: It is profitable to notice two other prophecies concerning His bones which undoubtedly had an exact fulfillment, although such is not stated in Scripture in so many words. We draw our conclusions from honest inference. (1) Psalm 22:14 “All my bones are out of joint.” Hanging on the cross by the hands and feet would easily disjoint the bones, especially when we remember that the body was fixed to the frame while lying on the ground. (2) Psalm 22:17 “I may tell all My bones.” He was left hanging on the cross naked (John 19:23) and all His bones could thus easily be seen. The extension of the body and the wasting pangs of crucifixion would make the bones more prominent than usual.

    22. Heart Broken
    Prophecy: Psalm 22:14 I am poured out like water, And all my bones are out of joint; My heart is like wax; It is melted within me.

    Fulfillment: John 19:34 but one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately there came out blood and water.

    NOTE: The blood and water running out of the pierced side presented an evidence that the heart had literally burst.

    23. His Side Pierced
    Prophecy: Zechariah 12:10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him, like the bitter weeping over a first-born.

    Fulfillment: John 19:34-37 but one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately there came out blood and water. 35 And he who has seen has borne witness, and his witness is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you also may believe. 36 For these things came to pass, that the Scripture might be fulfilled,” Not a bone of Him shall be broken. “ 37 And again another Scripture says, “They shall look on Him whom they pierced.”

    24. Darkness Over the Land
    Prophecy: Amos 8:9 “And it will come about in that day,” declares the Lord GOD, “That I shall make the sun go down at noon And make the earth dark in broad daylight.

    Fulfillment: Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour darkness fell upon all the land until the ninth hour.

    NOTE: The Jews reckoned twelve hours from sunrise to sunset. This would make the sixth hour about noon, and the ninth hour near three o’clock.

    25. Buried in a Rich Man’s Tomb
    Prophecy: Isaiah 53:9 His grave was assigned with wicked men, Yet He was with a rich man in His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.

    Fulfillment: Matthew 27:57-60 And when it was evening, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who himself had also become a disciple of Jesus. 58 This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then Pilate ordered it to be given over to him. 59 And Joseph took the body and wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, 60 and laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock; and he rolled a large stone against the entrance of the tomb and went away.

    Old Testament Prophecies
    Relating to the Person of Christ
    1. His first Advent
    The Fact: Gen. 3:15; Deut. 18:15; Psa. 89:20; Isa. 2:2; 28:16; 32:1; 35:4; 42:6; 49:1; 55:4; Ezek. 34:24; Dan. 2:44; Micah 4:1; Zech 3:8.

    The Time: Gen. 49:10; Num. 24:17; Dan. 9:24; Mal. 3:1.

    His Divinity: Psa. 2:7, 11; 45: 6-7, 11; 72:8; 102:24-27; 89:26-27; 110:1; Isa. 9:6; 25:9; 40:10; Jer. 23:6; Micah 5:2; Mal 8:1.

    Human Generation: Gen. 12:3; 18:18; 21:12; 22:18; 26:4; 28:14; 49:10; 2 Sam. 7:14; Psa. 18:4-6; 50:22-23; 89:4, 29-30; 132:11; Isa. 11:1; Jer. 23:5; 33:15.

    2. His Forerunner
    Isa. 40:3; Mal. 3:1; 4:5.

    3. His Nativity and Early Years
    The Fact: Gen. 3:15; Isa. 7:14; Jer 31:22

    The Place: Num. 24:17, 19; Micah 5:2

    Adoration by Magi: Psalm 72:10, 15; Isa. 60:3, 6

    Descent into Egypt: Hosea 11:1

    Massacre of Innocents: Jer 31:15

    4. His Mission and Office
    Mission: Gen. 12:3; 49:10; Num. 24:19; Deut. 19:18; Psa. 21:1; Isa. 59:20; Jer. 33:16

    Priest Like Melchizedek: Psalm 110:4

    Prophet Like Moses: Deut. 18:15

    Conversion of Gentiles: Isa. 11:10; Deut. 32:43; Psa. 18:49; 19:4; 117:1; Isa. 42:1; 45:23; 49:6; Hosea 1:10; 2:23; Joel 2:32.

    Ministry in Galilee: Isa. 9:1-2

    Miracles: Isa. 35:5-6; 42:7; 53:4

    Spiritual Graces: Psa. 45:7; Isa. 11:2; 42:1; 53:9; 61:1-2

    Preaching: Psa. 2:7; 78:2; Isa. 2:3; 61:1; Micah 4:2

    Purification of Temple: Psa. 69:9

    5. His Purpose
    Rejection by Jews and Gentiles: Psa. 2:1; 22:12; 41:5; 56:5; 69:8; 118:22-23; Isa. 6:9-10; 8:14; 29:13; 53:1; 65:2

    Persecution: Psa. 22:6; 35:7, 12; 56:5; 71:10; 109:2; Isa. 49:7; 53:3

    Triumphal Entry into Jerusalem: Psa. 8:2; 118:25-26; Zech. 9:9

    Betrayal by Own Friend: Psa. 41:9; 55:13; Zech 13:6

    Betrayal for Thirty Pieces: Zech. 11:12

    Betrayer’s Death: Psa. 55:15, 23; 109:17

    Purchase of Potter’s Field: Zech 11:13

    Desertion by Disciples: Zech 13:7

    False Accusation: Psa. 27:12; 35:11; 109:2; Psa. 2:1-2

    Silence Under Accusation: Psa. 38:13; Isa. 53:7

    Mocking: Psalm 22:7-8, 16; 109:25

    Insult, Buffeting, Spitting, Scourging: Psa. 35:15-, 21; Isa. 50:6

    Patience Under Suffering: Isa. 53:7-9

    Crucifixion: Psa. 22:14, 17

    Offer of Gall and Vinegar: Psa. 69:21

    Prayer for Enemies: Psa. 109:4

    Cries Upon the Cross: Psa. 22:1; 31:5

    Death in Prime of Life: Psa. 89:45; 102:24

    Death with Malefactors: Isaiah 53:9, 12

    Death Attested by Convulsions of Nature: Amos 5:20; Zech 14:4-6

    Casting Lots for Vesture: Psa. 22:18

    Bones not to be Broken: Psa. 34:20

    Piercing: Psa. 22:16; Zech 12:10; 13:6

    Voluntary Death: Psa. 40:6-8

    Vicarious Suffering: Isa. 53:4-6, 12; Dan 9:26

    Burial with the Rich: Isa. 53:9

    6. His Resurrection
    Psalm 16:8-10; 30:3; 41:10; 118:17; Hosea 6:2

    7. His Ascension
    Psalm 16:11; 24:7; 68:18; 110:1; 118:19

    8. His Second Advent
    Psalm 50:3-6; Isa. 9:6-7; 66:18; Dan 7:13-14; Zech. 12:10; 14:4-8.

    February 4, 2013 at 9:15 pm |
    • End Religion

      1) the bible is a known fraud
      2) no source can be used as proof of itself, otherwise I could easily show you that there is such a monster as a Jobberwocky because a poem suggests it exists
      3) no one knows the future except to the extent that we may guess generalities, in which case that is hardly prophecy

      February 5, 2013 at 2:02 am |
    • John 15:25-27

      John 15:25-27
      New King James Version (NKJV)
      25 But this happened that the word might be fulfilled which is written in their law, ‘They hated Me without a cause.’[a]

      The Coming Rejection

      26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. 27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning.

      February 5, 2013 at 2:16 am |
    • tallulah13

      It has been proven that the biblical accounts of the events surrounding the birth of Christ do not match actual historic records. Given that substantial bit of fraud, I'm amazed anyone can cite the bible as proof of the bible with a straight face.

      February 5, 2013 at 2:37 am |
    • Austin

      in genesis ten we have the accurate historical account of a place called Nineveh, and you dont think they can keep their most prised possessions and record straight, .

      tallulah, you are talking about Jews.

      they dont play.

      February 5, 2013 at 10:41 am |
    • Austin

      in genesis ten we have the accurate historical account of a place called Nineveh, and you dont think they can keep their most prized possessions and record straight .

      tallulah, you are talking about Jews.

      they dont play.

      February 5, 2013 at 10:41 am |
    • End Religion

      There is very little if anything accurate in Genesis. Genesis 1:1, literally translated, says, “In the beginning, gods created the heavens and the earth.” Which aside from being wrong also attributes it to a plurality of gods.

      February 5, 2013 at 10:51 am |
    • Austin

      exactly because of the father , son and holy spirit were all there bro! nothing new here, this is put more clearly from the book of John's gospel,......4th new testament

      Rev 19:13
      He wore a robe stained with blood, and His name is the Word of God.
      John 1:1-14
      New International Version (NIV)
      The Word Became Flesh

      notice it says-he was with God in the beginning and then reveals The Word(Jesus name) as the creator of all things

      1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

      6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

      9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

      14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

      February 5, 2013 at 8:52 pm |
  2. Sheon

    So you think there isn't a God, or your faith is failing you: Study Quantum Physics, that will renew the savour of your salt, and lead you to believe there has to be a creator(God) even if you can't see Him.

    February 3, 2013 at 2:35 am |
    • tallulah13

      Or it will give you a better understanding of quantum physics.

      From what I have read, believing that quantum physics is "proof" of god requires the desire to believe in god. Just like every other piece of "evidence" christians put forth.

      February 3, 2013 at 2:45 am |
    • Science

      Creationist LOST at the Dover Trial FOREVER !!! Evolution WON.
      Can not teach CREATION at all in public schools as FACT.
      Take it up with the courts BLA BLA BLA !

      Peace

      New STEM science standards for 2013 make ears for transplant from stem cells

      Can't you read EVOLUTION IN A TEST TUBE Jan. 30 2013

      News Release

      3-D structure of the evolved enzyme (an RNA ligase), using 10 overlaid snapshots. In the top region, the overlays show the range of bending and folding flexibility in the amino acid chain that forms the molecule. The two gray balls are zinc ions. (University of Minnesota)

      University of Minnesota researchers unveil first artificial enzyme created by evolution in a test tube

      Thanks Doc.

      February 3, 2013 at 7:55 am |
    • Science

      EDUCATION IS WHERE IT HAPPENS FOR CHILDREN !

      Bill Gates: Invest in better teaching

      By Bill Gates, Special to CNN

      updated 3:33 PM EST, Wed January 30, 2013

      February 3, 2013 at 8:02 am |
    • WASP

      @sheon: i will disagree with you seeing i have studied physics.
      E=MC2 explains how there is no need for a creator because energy is constant. it either exsists in a physical form of matter or as the various forms of energy itself.
      seeing energy CAN NOT be created nor destroyed, that would show the energy at the "beginning" of the universe is the same amount as we have now.
      if you add in the 5 forces of the universe, you would see that the universe is endless and renews itself every so often.
      example: a star towards the end of it's life goes supernova. that stars explosion deestroys everything in that stars solar system returning it to a nebula from which that system was "born". given time the effects of the 5 forces in the universe would create a new system out of the energy left over from the old one.
      so if this universe can't "truly" end then it is easy to summerize that it will not ever end because that would violate the rules of physics.

      plus the only thing that doesn't adhere to the laws of physics would be the millions of god/goddesses created by humans.

      February 3, 2013 at 9:47 am |
    • Science

      @Shen
      It is called
      (U–Pb) dating

      Peace

      February 3, 2013 at 10:12 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Science says nothing directly about any god. There is not a single fact, principle, theory, formula, etc. that requires any god or has a variable representing any god. As scientific knowledge increases there is less reason (if there ever was any) to fall back to "some god did it" to explain the unknown. Only the ignorant, the afraid, the mentally ill and the charlatans cling to their god(s).

      February 5, 2013 at 10:57 am |
  3. austin

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxyGwFL9T3c&w=640&h=360]

    February 3, 2013 at 12:52 am |
  4. austin

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxyGwFL9T3c&w=420&h=315]

    February 3, 2013 at 12:45 am |
  5. roman2819

    As I interact with Christian friends, I realize that many of us lose the conviction to pray as time goes by. Also, we face difficulties in seeking God's will.This book, Understanding Prayer, Faith and God's Will, looks at real-life problems that we face in prayer, as well as seeking God's will. It then present biblical truths NOT realized before – truths that we can see and apply in our human journey. By clarifying wrong notions about prayer and God’s will. it will change the way you see – and seek – God’s will. When faith is strengthened by knowledge and understanding, we will go on to pray and serve God with conviction. Learn more about the book at: http://www.tatepublishing.com/bookstore/book.php?w=9781620241431
    There are 12 chapters in this book:
    1. Inner Doubts
    2. What does the Bible mean?
    3. Prayer: What did Jesus Intend to tell us?
    4. "Why doesn't God answer more prayers?"
    5. To Pray Again
    6. Does Sin impede prayer?
    7. Faith in God
    8. How does God call people?
    9. Understanding God's Will
    10 Being in God's will
    11 Journey of the Bible
    12 Reading the Scripture Fruitfully

    February 2, 2013 at 10:12 pm |
  6. JesusNotReligion

    @Moby...You mean there really is an ultimate "right" and "wrong"?...Hmmm...What's the ULTIMATE consequence for me being wrong according to your worldview? Don't we all go to the same non-existent place according to your godless worldview that has no ultimate meaning and ultimate justice & justification for this life? Stop using my Theocentric worldview when your trying to make yourself look authoritatively "right"...it's very un-atheistic of you.

    February 2, 2013 at 8:02 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      We don't "go" anywhere when we die. We cease to exist. Our consciousness ends.

      I'm borrowing nothing from your worldview; you're just too stupid to understand the simple concept that some people think in different patterns than you do.

      February 2, 2013 at 8:14 pm |
    • End Religion

      JNR having some trouble with the ol' critical thinking again, eh? Imagine that.

      February 2, 2013 at 8:32 pm |
    • JesusNotReligion

      OK...We're done...Later...

      February 2, 2013 at 8:41 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      *chuckle* Well, wait just a minute.........what exactly did you think I was borrowing from your worldview? lol

      February 2, 2013 at 8:51 pm |
    • End Religion

      JNR, before you come back make sure you pray to your god for some more smarts. You sure could use it. If I were you I'd be pretty pissed at God for letting me be born a gibbering moron. But at least you can improve on it by reading some science books.

      February 2, 2013 at 8:56 pm |
    • JesusNotReligion

      @Moby...You really don't want to hear from someone as "stupid" as me...that would make you twice as stupid...Have another drink and find someone else to jerk around...
      JesusNotReligion

      February 2, 2013 at 8:57 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      You're in dire need of some genuine assistance; I'm here for you. If you'll explain your logic to me, I'll show you where you're reasoning wrongly.

      February 2, 2013 at 9:01 pm |
    • WASP

      @moby: the problem with JNR is when you attempt to understand a religious persons logic then proceed to show then where it becomes non-logical it causes that person to question everything they have been taught and thus calls into question their very exsistance as the person they are.
      as you can imagine it makes people VERY uncomfortible when their self is called into question. we all like the feeling of being certain of whom we are.

      February 3, 2013 at 9:52 am |
    • JesusNotReligion

      @WASP...I guess acting like an immature "bird-brain", along with your fellow bloggernaut's, is your way of showing forth "missing link" evidence for the theory of evolution...

      ...and as I review that commemt, I suppose my "aping" your style of posting is further evidence...??? You guys might be onto something here...I'll consider this evidence and appropriately file it away...

      Believer's can have fun too...JesusNotReligion - A Personal Relationship not external behavior modification!

      February 3, 2013 at 2:17 pm |
    • End Religion

      A fish with wrist bones? All hail Tiktaalik!
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiktaalik
      How did scientists find it? They knew from the Theory of Evolution where such a creature should be, the rock type, how deep, then they dug for more than 3 years.

      February 3, 2013 at 2:26 pm |
    • JesusNotReligion

      @End Religion...I'm sure I need faith to trust in this "find" of which you are so excited about - as you do also (unless you've actually seen this in person; having examined the "evidence" with your own eyes and tested it without bias, of which you have accused Christian's of NOT doing - and of course we all know you wouldn't have a personal, God-hating "agenda" behind your "testing", now would you?)...

      1) I can provide links to BOGUS "finds" that some so-called "Scientist" with apparently no moral compa§s, conscience or basic human integrity put forth as "evidence" because he/she needed more "grant" money! This, from what I have read, is unfortunately a "way of life"/"business as usual"/"standard practice" for many of these commissioned archaelogist's, geologist's, paleontologist's, etc, in order to maintain their funding (and careers)...So I would be extremely suspect if I were you – just like you are suspect of the Bible, its writer's, their witness of the historical "Jesus" and His life, death & resurrection, and its intrinsic power to change lives without prejudice (i.e. all walks of life: male & female – all races – all ethnicities – all age groups and – alI IQ levels, etc)...

      That being said...

      2) Christian's that I a$sociate with believe in "Adaptation" – We would argue that all of the "DNA information" is encoded within a species to make a physical adaptation (even change "s ex" – but not jump from one species to another species) due to some external/environmental factor that, for a lack of a better way of saying it, is "called upon in time of need" to become "dominant" for the survival of this particular species - somewhat like, I suppose, our understanding of dominant & recessive genes; the "information" is already there...Correct me if I am wrong, but I'm sure you know that this is our position...

      3) We also believe in "mutations", as well as, "malformations" vs. "deformations":
      >>> "Deformation: A change from the normal size or shape of an anatomic structure due to mechanical forces that distort an otherwise normal structure. A deformation is different from a malformation in timing and impact. In a malformation, the development of a structure is arrested, delayed, or misdirected early in embryonic life and the effect is permanent".

      I know you are familiar with all of this so I'm not sure why you are making such a big deal over this "find" that you are promoting - even if this "find" is legitimate...?...It doesn't "prove" your position...unless I'm missing something – which I suppose is possible, just like I believe you are missing something regarding "Jesus" not "religion"...

      February 3, 2013 at 5:18 pm |
    • WASP

      @moby: see i told you JNR wouldn't enjoy having it's self imagine called into question. they always act so aggressive once that happens. 🙂

      February 5, 2013 at 10:31 am |
    • JesusNotReligion

      @WASP...Quack!...Did somebody step on a duck?

      February 5, 2013 at 12:06 pm |
  7. JesusNotReligion

    Let's try that post again...
    Since the CNN Bloggernautas that post here are NATURALISTS (born once and not "born again", per Jesus' words recorded in John 3:3-7ff), I suppose your real question is:

    Is there a SUPERNATURAL reality simulataneously present amidst the NATURAL reality that we see? (ex. Like the invisible ULTRAVIOLET light present in the midst of NATURAL (Visible) light – not to mention x-ray, gamma rays and all the other "light" & "sound" signatures that are unseen & unheard by the "natural" eye/ear)...

    Mature comments are welcome...My "Biblical" (and Experiential) view is that there is a SPIRITUAL reality coexisting with the NATURAL order, from which the natural order was birthed.

    February 2, 2013 at 5:49 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      If a nonbeliever does not have some experience that makes the insensibility of the bible and its god seem reasonable, do you have anything to offer?

      February 2, 2013 at 5:56 pm |
    • I wonder

      JNR,
      "Is there a SUPERNATURAL reality simulataneously present amidst the NATURAL reality that we see?"

      Maybe so. Maybe not. We just do not know, yet... if ever. Many of the fantasies are alluring and seductive, though. Let's not stop looking for the real deal.

      February 2, 2013 at 6:01 pm |
    • JesusNotReligion

      @Moby..
      Great question but you won't like the answer...
      "(Saving) faith come by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God." Romans 10:17

      "The (Biblical) goespel is the power of God unto salvation for all who believe." Romams 1:16

      1 Peter 1:23
      " For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God."

      "The Word of God (Jesus) was made flesh and dwelt among us" John 1:14

      The "Christian" experience often precedes (in some sense) coming in contact with the Bible. Then, it seems to me and my observation, that the "experience" is confirmed not only by the Bible/The Gospel (The Word of God) but further external evidence of a changed life - and this testimony is true the world over, throughout every generation.

      That being said, there are "wackos" that claim the faith - and there always will be...

      Jesus ("the Word of God...made flesh") is recorded as saying that if He hadn't come and done among men what has never been done before, there would be no sin (because the entire Old Testament is about Him and the plan of God to send Him)...Therefore, the authority, value and legitimacy of the Bible (the Word of God) is tied to the historical appearance of this promised Messiah (Jesus), which is why so many of us emphasize BIBLICAL PROPHECY in our posts.

      February 2, 2013 at 6:22 pm |
    • End Religion

      Belief in miracle jeebus is wacko. Nothing more to say.

      February 2, 2013 at 6:33 pm |
    • austin

      hey i have experienced these realities of supernatural spiritual revelations, and they arent the substance of faith so i hate talking about them, and these people are proof that it is absolutely useless to explain them anyways because they tell you you belong in a mental ward. But they are real. so keep the Word going because in the end, the seed will snap and sprout when it gets watered by fountain of the water of everlasting life. I was the biggest hater of anyone here, you have no clue the extent to which i took my hatred. and then the genius Holy Spirit started getting my attention, AND I LOVE JESUS for calling me. Praise God. Jehovah Shammah, The Lord is There

      February 2, 2013 at 6:34 pm |
    • austin

      too bad uranium lead dating was calibrated to fit the geoligical column, and the rest of the decay ratio dating was thus calibrated too.

      February 2, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
    • austin

      too bad uranium lead dating was calibrated to fit the geoligical column, and the rest of the decay ratio dating was thus calibrated too.

      February 2, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
    • OTOH

      JesusNotReligion,
      "it seems to me and my observation, that the "experience" is confirmed not only by the Bible/The Gospel (The Word of God) but further external evidence of a changed life – and this testimony is true the world over, throughout every generation."

      You can also hear and read lots and lots of fervent testimonies of lives changed by Islam too... and Buddhism, Tao, Yoga, New Age Crystals, Scientology, etc.

      Over 2,000 years now and still 2/3rds of the world does not believe the Jesus legend. It took probably less than 50 years for the theory of gravity to be accepted world-wide... and it is the same for any other proven ideas, eg., mathematics, the telephone, radio, engines, penicillin, etc., etc., etc.

      The population of the world at present is a bit over 7 billion.
      There are approximately 2.1 billion Christians, which is around 33 per cent.

      http://chartsbin.com/view/3nr
      http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0904108.html

      February 2, 2013 at 6:41 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      You assumed that I "would not like the answer" because you know that it's not much of one: Just sort of believe and pretend that you really really do until you start to imagine that you really do believe and that it does make some sense somehow and then eventually...

      You have nothing to offer the person who has intelligently rejected the christian faith AFTER witnessing the same "evidence" and "changed lives" as you have purport. As I thought.

      February 2, 2013 at 6:49 pm |
    • End Religion

      austin, it's obvious you've been a lunatic for much of your life. You finally found a community where your lunacy is acceptable, so now you praise imaginary beings. You're at home in the asylum known as religion. Congrats!

      Now as to your "experiences" - you suffer from a delusion. Get some help and maybe you can learn to control your rage and your psychosis.

      February 2, 2013 at 6:52 pm |
    • JesusNotReligion

      @OTOH...
      The "Jesus story" is not over yet...When it is, when He returns as it is also promised (prophesied) then 100% of the "new earth" will be filled with lover, worshipers and followers of this "Jesus" of whom the Bible speaks...You don't find this in any other faith-based "religion", which is why my tag is JesusNotReligion...Religion is man-made (man's attempt to reach God and understand this fallen world)...Jesus, as the Bible declares, is God, "the Word made flesh" who will return to prove it. In the meantime, "faith" in Him is the only way of salvation. That is why we preach to others as was preached to us...Can you not grasp the wisdom in that? It is by God's grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone...and I do NOT BOAST IN MYSELF, my potential or this salvation of which I speak. If it was of "works" then not only would I have something to boast about (which all "religions" basically teach) but I wouldn't hqve the Biblical obligation to pass this gospel message onto you or anyone.
      Please excuse any typos...

      February 2, 2013 at 6:55 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Faith is a stupid tool because it is equally effective for any belief no matter how stupid or crazy. What sort of moron god requires something that worthless? I respect no god who requires "faith."

      February 2, 2013 at 6:58 pm |
    • JesusNotReligion

      @Moby...I guess Forrest Gump was right..."Stup!d is as stup!d does" (and God was/is pleased by the "foolishness of what is preached" to confound the "wise" - the natural man...1 Cor. 1:18ff)...so I am a fool for Christ, just like He was treated as one, and still is through all that testify of Him...

      I'll remember your post (and so will you) the next healing comes from taking a prescription from some guy/gal in a white coat behind a counter that supposedly has a legitimate Pharmaceutical License hanging on the wall as his/her testimony of who he/she is - someone you/I trusted - though there have been many who have falsified this "authoritative doc umemt" and have deceived many of their patients.

      It is the OBJECT OF FAITH not the S!NCERITY OF IT that gives faith its value. Many have place S!NCERITY above a reliable OBJECT and they think this counts for something - IT DOESN'T...So on one level I can agree with you...that would be a stup!d "faith"..

      February 2, 2013 at 7:25 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      I promise you that I will NOT remember your post when I next get my prescriptions filled. None of what you posted makes any sense, so keep being proud of your foolishness, I guess.

      February 2, 2013 at 7:38 pm |
    • JesusNotReligion

      @Moby
      ...and you, my fellow bloggernaut, keep boasting in your faith-based ignorance...Faith is a way of every day life and
      decision-making...whether you think it makes sense or not...Your "faith" is You...and sIn has "I" in the middle of it...

      February 2, 2013 at 7:49 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Wow. I'm sure that there's some way you could be more wrong, but I sure don't know how you could manage it. Keep up the stupidity; I'd rather have you displaying it for your side rather than mine.

      February 2, 2013 at 7:52 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Well, I guess you just showed us one way. You could post a stupid statement in the wrong thread.

      February 2, 2013 at 8:16 pm |
    • JesusNotReligion

      @Moby...I guess there's no room in your in your world for people to make a mistake...

      February 2, 2013 at 8:46 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Of course there is. I've made plenty of mistakes. One really bad mistake was in thinking that I was right to be a believer when I was wrong and using dumb logic. So, I stopped using stupid logic and then several years later I stopped believing.

      February 2, 2013 at 8:54 pm |
    • tallulah13

      JNR: Supernatural implies beyond the realm of nature. Your examples are simply natural phenomena that we are not able to see with the naked eye. You seem to have very little knowledge of science. Perhaps that is why you need a god to explain the universe.

      February 3, 2013 at 2:54 am |
    • JesusNotReligion

      @T...You missed my point...The Biblical proposition is that there is a reality around us that can not be seen: i.e. Angels & Demons in a time signature that we cannot see...Why would that be so surprising to ascend to since we have knowledge in the "natural" realm of this possibility. Just because you have not experienced this reality does not mean it doesnt exist.

      February 3, 2013 at 10:49 am |
    • JesusNotReligion

      @T (Cont'd)...In other words, what we see (and define) as "supernatural" may be just as "natural" as that which cannot be seen or heard in what we define as this "natural order" (i.e. Ultraviolet light, ultra-sonic sound, etc)...I believe this is a viable, "Biblical" proposition...The "spirit" realm birthed the "physical"(natural) realm (God, who is spirit said, "Let there be light"; Gen. 1:1/John 4:24) and this realm (as well as many others) abides simultaneously with it in a time/sound signature unseen...

      And, Biblically speaking, this certainly explains how Elisha's servant was given eyes to see the angels (that dwell in what is called the spirit-realm) that were guarding Israel on the rim of the ravine (2 Kings 6:17) - they were there the whole time but unseen by the natural eye - we see this as being "supernatural", but I see it as being as natural to God's creation order as the light/sound signatures that we cannot see/hear with the human eye/ear...

      I hope that clarifies what I am proposing...If not, I am not sure how else to communicate it...We just shouldn't be surprised by the Biblical proposition of a "spirit-realm", as it is understood from our perspective, simultaneously coexisting in a different time signature...I am extremely comfortable with that and have, through God's grace, His Word and the Holy Spirit, experienced this "reality", along with all those who have gone before me in every tribe, tongue, people and nation since the time of Jesus...and it is held out as possible for you as well...

      February 3, 2013 at 1:44 pm |
    • G to the T

      Prophecies – in my experience, prophecies don't count if they are written after the fact (as the tales about Jesus that supposedly "confirm" the prophecies about Jesus were). Indeed, most of the ones cited had nothing to do with a future messiah and in several cases the biblical authors even misquoted and/or misplaced the prophecy they were trying to show as fulfilled...

      February 11, 2013 at 3:48 pm |
    • JesusNotReligion

      @G to the T...The pupose of prophecy is to confirm the Source behind the prophecy as One posessing the power & authority to not only foretell a future event WITHOUT ERROR but CAUSE it to happen. I don't know what Bible you are making your STATEMENT OF FAITH about (and you are making a statement of faith) but ALL PROPHECY IS CONFIRMED AT THE TIME OR "AFTER" THE EVENT HAS OCCURRED? It is easy to make a statement such as yours but if you would like to site verifiable proof that denies the historic claims of those who "witnessed" and "wrote" the New Testament then I await your reply. But I don't expect anything relevant because YOUR faith-based reply carries no authority unless you can prove it by a witness who was there and counters the testimony of the NT writers. Have at it though..

      February 16, 2013 at 2:24 pm |
  8. JesusNotReligion

    Since the. CNN Bloggernautas that post here are NATURALISTS (born once and not "born again", per Jesus' words recorded in John 3:3-7ff), I suppose, since your real question is:

    Is there a SUPERNATURAL reality simulataneously present amidst the NATURAL reality that we see? (ex. Like the invisible ULTRAVIOLET light present in the midst of NATURAL (Visible) light – not to mention x-ray, gamma rays and all the other "light" & "sound" signatures that are unseen & unheard by the "natural" eye/ear)...

    Mature comments are welcome...

    February 2, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
    • WASP

      @JNR: mature comments? ok.
      1) you are using natural world to surmize a supernatural world; that is a logic fail because supernatural is outside the natural world.
      the supernatural world is the world of ghosts and goblins
      the natural world is the world of science and reason
      the two can not ever mesh because the natural world is the world we can test and understand, the supernatural is a world that can always be moved around to suit whomevers ambission.

      February 3, 2013 at 10:03 am |
  9. stin

    Matthew 27:38-44
    New International Version (NIV)
    38 Two rebels were crucified with him, one on his right and one on his left. 39 Those who passed by hurled insults at him, shaking their heads 40 and saying, “You who are going to destroy the temple and build it in three days, save yourself! Come down from the cross, if you are the Son of God!” 41 In the same way the chief priests, the teachers of the law and the elders mocked him. 42 “He saved others,” they said, “but he can’t save himself! He’s the king of Israel! Let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him. 43 He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, ‘I am the Son of God.’” 44 In the same way the rebels who were crucified with him also heaped insults on him.

    February 2, 2013 at 2:10 pm |
    • End Religion

      stin, i must speak with you. Fear not, only you can Read this post. I have shrouded it from the other ignorant swine on this blog.

      It is clear you have taken great pains to see through the Veil of Darkness surrounding "reality." You see the Truth. Do not despair at the laughter, they are the lowest of the low, mere worms under the boot of He Who Possesses All Knowledge.

      Seek ye the Golden Square of Philalethes neath Obama's desk in his Satanic Oval office. Do you see the lie? Nothing Sacred can be oval. Only the Square holds Truth. Find the lie. I will contact you again when the Time has come. You will deliver a full Report on your findings.

      Remember, the Grand Antient is watching.

      February 2, 2013 at 6:55 pm |
  10. stin

    thats funny, you have a good sense of humor, and what rigo said sums it up for me too.

    February 2, 2013 at 1:56 pm |
    • End Religion

      i bet you agree, since dale, rigo and stin are the same person, fruitcake.

      February 2, 2013 at 6:53 pm |
  11. rigo

    sciennce, those are a bunch of tools on that website. they look just like native american arrowheads. Again, I have too many things to do right now. However, the strongest positions in my opinion have to do with observable evidences for rapid geologic processes of all kinds. Rapid rock formation, rapid deposition of sedimentary layering with fine lamina, cross bedded sandstones as evidence of rapidly deposition of sedimentary layers. Rapid decay of the earth's magnetic field. Rapid growth of forests, evidences that they are young, as well as the rapid growth of population evidences that the earth is young, or at least the time since humans were created. Rapid petrification, rapid erosion and depositinal processes There are many more, this is just a smattering.

    As I said before, the CMI web site http://creation.com/ is the best for YEC.

    accelleration of radioactive decay rates! there was a group of scientists on the website that posted a bunch of various results from different dinosaurs that dated at 20-40 thousand years old. the only point of talking about this, bearing in mind that the catholic church teaches that God is involved in evolution, is that there is no science that should lead you to the deception that you dont have a soul.

    February 2, 2013 at 1:35 pm |
    • The Truth

      "sciennce, those are a bunch of tools on that website. they look just like native american arrowheads."

      It's like watching the Jersey Shore of religious morons...

      Geologist – "These sedimentary cores along with several methods of radiocarbon, potassium-argon or rubidium-strontium dating place these tools to about 1.7 million years ago..."

      The Situation rigo – "Yeah, but they look just like native american arrowheads. What what? These sciennce tests, theys can't be reals!!"

      February 2, 2013 at 3:32 pm |
  12. stin

    here is another aspect Scholars have often abandoned the use of the general term 'slavery' in descriptions of the many diverse forms of master-servant that are manifest in the ancient world. There are very few 'true' slave societies in the world (with Rome and Greek being two of the major ones!), and ancient Israel will be seen to be outside this classification as well (in legislation, not practice).

    noting that although we are marked by slavery, we are also marked by being adopted as sons and daughters; we are friends with God. The great paradox of the Christian faith is that we are friends of God who are also his willing slaves.

    here is another aspect Slavery can be described as grace, God in effect ordered the slaves be treated as family, better than employees. they became Gods family which redeemed them out of the slavery marked of Egypt which was horrid.Slavery was a humane option for people who God ordered either driven out or destroyed. slaves could then be bought out of slavery, the emancipation for endentured servants. the key is that slaves were to have the same grace that God gave to israel.

    February 2, 2013 at 12:59 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Commandment "thou shalt not own other people" sure would have been handy to have over the last few centuries, though.

      February 2, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
    • Damocles

      Two for two! Took care of racial purity below and now you make the case for slavery. All you need now is to establish a justification for murder. I'd go with something along the lines of 'those who don't agree with racial purity and slavery being a good thing are worthy of killing'. You know, why be subtle, right?

      The wheels on the tanks go round and round.

      February 2, 2013 at 1:08 pm |
    • stin

      Domacles, there is one God, who happens to be a messiah in human essence. He knows what it is like to be human, and he understands you. that being said, there is no way anything was going to stop his law, and atonement, and will to hang on that cross. This is just who He is. you should stop blaming God, for people like Hitler and American Slavery , genocide, for Gods reasoning to establish control to do what He needed to do. the last prophet in the bible was the last to recieve direct revelation, and there are no ordained wars beyond the old testament. Hitler was not ordained by God. stop choosing to confuse necessity of old with modern evils and and antichrists and false religion. You simply fail to interpret the bible as anything besides your incoherent and miscontexed moral red flagging. the bible doesnt read correctly one chapter at a time. you could read the story of the guy who chopped his wife up in 12 pieces and sent one to each tribe, and not ever realize the big picture very easily, which is just ignorant and short sighted.

      on the other hand, i respect you for your moral character and i totally agree with you on everything when it comes to slavery, murder, and all the other stuff. I would not want to see anyone go though it again.

      February 2, 2013 at 1:23 pm |
    • Damocles

      I've got this mental image of stin and hitler walking hand-in-hand through a field of daisies. I think your handle is a tribute to your boyhood hero, you just forgot the A and L.

      February 2, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
    • rigo

      Jesus is resurrected. His holy spirit bears witness of himself. if it was not for that you are perfectly in line and have all my respect anyway...

      February 2, 2013 at 1:54 pm |
    • End Religion

      Christians are the ones who claim their god never changes. He is inerrant and has always existed the same then as now. Your book, which is is word, advocates and condones slavery, therefore your god still advocates and condones slavery. That you worship this entity says many things about you, among them that slavery is A-OK with you too.

      February 2, 2013 at 7:01 pm |
  13. stin

    Scholars have often abandoned the use of the general term 'slavery' in descriptions of the many diverse forms of master-servant that are manifest in the ancient world. There are very few 'true' slave societies in the world (with Rome and Greek being two of the major ones!), and ancient Israel will be seen to be outside this classification as well (in legislation, not practice).

    noting that although we are marked by slavery, we are also marked by being adopted as sons and daughters; we are friends with God. The great paradox of the Christian faith is that we are friends of God who are also his willing slaves.

    Slavery can be sescribed as grace, God in effect ordered the slaves be treated as family, better than employees. they became Gods family which redeemed them out of the slavery marked of Egypt which was horrid.Slavery was a humane option for people who God ordered either driven out or destroyed. slaves could then be bought out of slavery, the emancipation for endentured servants. the key is that slaves were to have the same grace that God gave to israel.

    February 2, 2013 at 12:58 pm |
  14. Bob

    Vee, there is very little "righteous" about the god that is described in the Christian book of horrors AKA the bible. Such a creature would better be described as a vicious, unfair, human rights abusing jerk:

    Numbers 31:17-18
    17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
    18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

    Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

    Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

    Leviticus 25
    44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
    45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
    46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

    Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

    Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

    And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

    So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
    Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

    February 2, 2013 at 11:08 am |
    • stin

      @ Bob, ive seen all of your posts over last few days. If you feel like chatting ill be here all day to back up why things were different back then. for one, your little sack is a hybrid domestication fraction of what life was back then. second, asimilation was necessary, which is why you see boys go through execution while they would keep women, because they didnt' want the defiled genes getting into the mix. basic genetic strategy... who are you really to argue with God? do you think you are somebody? you arent there tough guy.

      the flood and necessity for marrying in the family, how hebrews married their cousins, was a shelter for gentetic purity. if you see that the angels in ch 6 of Genesis bred with the women and their offspring were giants, that the effect of the demons mingling in the blood line was specifically aimed at preventing the human body to be a respectable "temple of God" the canaanites were so mentally and phsically defiled that they were a lost cause, and a major threat the the holy nation of Israel. Israel, was only Gods vehicle for modeling the law to ReVEAL sin, atone for sin, and for the seed of Abraham, the seed of faith. you can sit here an call names to God, but you are only heaping up hot coals for yourself. there is nothing that is going to stop God's will. Israel never had Gods respect as a people, they were a vehicle for God to make himself known to you. now, the defiled blood line was also supposed to screw up the Hebrew genes and prevent the messiah himself. There is nothing immoral and inhumane about the war against evil, and the protection of purity. Now that the messiah has come, there is no need for this type of stringent genetic shelter.

      if you get cancer you will fight it. cut of a lime with gangrene. I will be the first to say that i understand God's wrath completely and have all the trust and confidence in His judgment, even when it falls on me. I was about to get married to a non believer and i scratced it because I realized that none of that would be worth it if she or my children grew up without the spirit of God. I will not bring a child into this world only to see it strangled spiritually by my wife. NO WAY in hell.

      Your ways are not Gods ways and as long as you think you are big enough to call the shots, you are acting just like Satan.
      In a life where its kill or be killed,,things are different. Daniel the prophet was a eunich. the entire way of war and life was radically different, and tribal warfare was such a threat that you didnt take chances. YOU DID NOT SUSTAIN and GIVE LIFE to the EVIL THREAT OF DEATH and CORRUPTION.

      When Christ returns, you will see the total victory in this facet. your opinion is worthless. any more questions?

      February 2, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
    • LinCA

      @stin

      Got and evidence to suggest your god is anything other than a figment of someone's imagination? Without it, it is about equally likely to exist as the Tooth Fairy.

      And, btw, didn't your christ say he'd be back within a generation? Seems to me that he's about 2000 years late. Looks like he's a flake, or more likely, simply human and dead.

      February 2, 2013 at 12:28 pm |
    • stin

      linc, there are plenty more prophecies that have to be revealed first, the day of the lord is a big one.

      February 2, 2013 at 12:40 pm |
    • stin

      dale
      on the 9th of AV , gregorian calendar, israel sent 10 spies out to view the promised land. they brought back a bad report and despised what they saw. This date ended up being cursed
      Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the temple on the 9th of AV
      600 years later rome destroyed the temple on the 9th of AV
      Jews were kicked out of england on the 9th of AV 1290
      Jews kicked out of spain ln the 9th of AV 1492
      WW1 started on the 9th of AV
      Hitlers proclomation to kill the jews was on the 9th of AV

      the last two years that there were 4 consecutive blood moons in a row, were 1949 and 1967, Israel reinstated and the 6 years war, and the next is in 2014- 15 4 consecutive blood moons, one on the passover, and this same year is a sabbatical year. the blood moon is associated with the return of Christ. this is the last time that will happen this century.

      February 2, 2013 at 12:43 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      stin,
      " asimilation was necessary, which is why you see boys go through execution while they would keep women, because they didnt' want the defiled genes getting into the mix. basic genetic strategy."

      So women don't have genes? They killed the males because the males were the warriors against them.

      Genetic strategy? Give me a break. Those primitive men were the same ones who thought that they could breed prized striped goats by having the mating pair stair at striped reeds. Genetic experts - baaaaaaah!

      February 2, 2013 at 12:45 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      * stair = stare

      (dang, tried to fix before posting, but it already flew out)

      February 2, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
    • Damocles

      @stin

      Racial purity was a goal of some other guy as well.... what was his name... hmmm... *cups chin in thought*.... damn the name is right on the tip of my tongue.... starts with a HIt, ends with a ler. Fvck! Help me out bud, you know who I'm talking about, right?

      February 2, 2013 at 1:01 pm |
    • stin

      well there are a lot of stories that reveal the effects of sin, and all of this pertains to the effects of sin. sad but true, but it doesn't make God the minister of sin. why did the hebrews marry in the family? it is the same reason for their assimilation,and even instances where they would execute non virgin women (they were diseased)

      February 2, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
    • stin

      Domacles, go ahead and play God and reject His provision for atonement if you are truly a god to yourself and crazy and suicidal. there is moral character for cutting off a dead branch to a tree , it gives better life to the fruit.

      now, there is only one righteouss judge, and it is not Hitler, you are choosing to not yeild to Gods ways, because you have what you think are moral flags going up, when this comes down to a spiritual was against evil. this is the main factor for morality. I am thankful that God has interviened with humanity for the sake of our soul. Israel is a vehicle for Gods revelation to us and it is a sinful and terrible story of a wrathful/loving God.

      February 2, 2013 at 1:09 pm |
    • Damocles

      @stin

      If me playing a god keeps you from being able to play Hitler, I'll play that part all day long.

      February 2, 2013 at 1:13 pm |
    • stin

      ok sweet heart, hahaha, you are good for that then and thanks. hold your post.

      February 2, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
    • The Truth

      "the same reason for their assimilation,and even instances where they would execute non virgin women (they were diseased)"

      This is the same kind of moronic religious "medicine" or rather "medi-sin" we got from Mr. Legitimate r a p e. It is complete bull shlt and against every known study to make the claim womens bodies can shut that whole thing down if it's a legit r a p e or this claim of non-virgins being diseased. Whats funny is that they still lie about it while at the same time believing their book also condemns liars.

      February 2, 2013 at 1:27 pm |
    • LinCA

      @stin

      You said, "linc, there are plenty more prophecies that have to be revealed first, the day of the lord is a big one."
      So, you've got nothing. OK. Glad we've cleared that up.

      February 2, 2013 at 1:35 pm |
    • The Truth

      @stin – Your faith is hollow and your religion has been judged and found wanting. You and your putrid doctrines and disgusting book of r a p e and inc est shall be thrown down and destroyed for it's hands run red with the blood of the innocent. Your sniveling, pathetically weak god is impotent and unable to rescue his faithful from the onslaught of logic and reason, facts and science, actual evidence that continues to unravel your decaying faith and exposing it for what it really is, the wicked imaginings of man that wanted to control the weak minded and maintain power over others or centuries. Religion has consistently held science and technology back and hamstrung it at every turn for it knows that the more transparent the universe becomes so do all the lies they have told to control and squeeze the masses of their hard earned wealth. The game is up and the masters are running trying disparately to save their own necks, but they will all be caught and hung by sound logic and reason in the end, none shall escape the coming revolution of information and social connectivity. No longer can a religion make unsubstantiated claims to a controlled populace that has no way of verifying the veracity of the claim and thus letting disgusting doctrine go unchallenged. I'd say farewell, but I wouldn't mean it...

      February 2, 2013 at 1:43 pm |
    • Damocles

      Sweetheart? Is stin making a pass at me?

      February 2, 2013 at 1:46 pm |
    • Revived Roman Empire

      you choose to loose
      If God is for us, who can be against us? His kingdom is an eternal kingdom. thats who in patience He calls out those who have been His from the beginning. Thats whats up. Your words will end up in murder, and allready are in your heart.

      4 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

      4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’[b]”

      5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:

      “‘He will command his angels concerning you,
      and they will lift you up in their hands,
      so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’[c]”
      7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[d]”

      8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

      10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[e]”

      11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

      February 2, 2013 at 2:06 pm |
    • stin

      duplicate comment? what?

      you choose to loose
      If God is for us, who can be against us? His kingdom is an eternal kingdom. thats who in patience He calls out those who have been His from the beginning. Thats whats up. Your words will end up in murder, and allready are in your heart.

      4 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

      4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’[b]”

      5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:

      “‘He will command his angels concerning you,
      and they will lift you up in their hands,
      so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’[c]”
      7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[d]”

      8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

      10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[e]”

      11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

      February 2, 2013 at 2:07 pm |
    • The Truth

      "duplicate comment? what?"

      Yes, your comments are not new and have been repeated for centuries by ignoramuses everywhere.

      February 2, 2013 at 3:20 pm |
  15. Bob

    Vee, there is very little "righteous" about the god that is described in the Christian book of horrors AKA the bible. Such a creatuer would better be described as a vicious, unfair, human rights abusing jerk:

    Numbers 31:17-18
    17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
    18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

    Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

    Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

    Leviticus 25
    44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
    45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
    46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

    Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

    Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

    And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

    So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
    Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

    February 2, 2013 at 11:07 am |
  16. keith

    Religion is like a penis. It doesn't matter how big it is or how proud of it you are, you just shouldn't shove it down other people's throats.

    February 2, 2013 at 5:57 am |
    • stin

      shut up idiot, but you should blatantly defile our minds over your wicked opinion with perversness and obscene mental imagery. You have a special place with a special demon to torment you when you get there. enjoy that you PERVERT

      February 2, 2013 at 11:01 am |
    • Bob

      Yeah, that Christian god would sure be one vicious ass hole if he existed, according to the bible, so that vicious punishment is what would be expected. What a jerk, good thing Christian god doesn't exist:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Leviticus 25
      44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
      45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
      46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
      Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      February 2, 2013 at 11:05 am |
    • End Religion

      stin, were you secretly enjoying the mental image of throbbing purple mushroom down your throat?

      February 2, 2013 at 11:05 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      stin: Wow, you're such a hypocrite. Truth and facts frighten you, don't they?

      February 2, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      Now this is an analogy I like!

      February 2, 2013 at 1:42 pm |
    • Hmat

      How true. I am just happy to see that more people wake up out of that trance that makes them believe the unbelievable. The spaghetti monster in the sky. Why not just make it easy and stick with the Greeks Zeus, Hera etc, or the Romans Jupiter. Makes as much (or little ) sense as all the garbage floating around these days. Even the Christians and Muslims are split into various factions that don't agree with each other, and makes them kill each other. In which I wish them lots of success. The result of total idiocy.

      February 2, 2013 at 8:15 pm |
  17. Vee

    I am not self-righteous , I am God -Righteous, I am happy however that you do still have your KJV bible, May my God continue to bless you, and you too Bob 🙂 peace and Love.

    February 1, 2013 at 10:24 pm |
    • Science

      You might want to review this evolutiom works better

      Evolution works better Thanks Doc.
      University of Minnesota researchers unveil first artificial enzyme created by evolution in a test tube
      http://www1.umn.edu/news/news-releases/2013/UR_CONTENT_429344.html

      Einstein letter, set for auction, shows scientist challenging idea of God, being 'chosen'

      By Jessica Ravitz, CNN

      Decades before atheist scientist and author Richard Dawkins called God a "delusion," one world-renowned physicist – Albert Einstein – was weighing in on faith matters with his own strong words.

      “The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends,” Einstein wrote in German in a 1954 letter that will be auctioned on eBay later this month. "No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.”

      Peace

      February 2, 2013 at 6:45 am |
    • Science

      Back fill for evolution facts work best.

      The pick axe and DNA

      Check your god(S) at the cave enterance before entering.. No god(s) required for studying humans..
      No talking snake in cave
      updated 1 hour 55 minutes ago
      Jan. 29 2013

      Scientists have unearthed and dated some of the oldest stone hand axes on Earth. The ancient tools, unearthed in Ethiopia in the last two decades, date to 1.75 million years ago.

      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/50620121/ns/technology_and_science-science/

      Ancient DNA reveals humans living 40,000 years ago in Beijing area related to present-day Asians, Native Americans January 21, 2013

      Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-01-ancient-dna-reveals-humans-years.html#jCp

      February 2, 2013 at 6:55 am |
  18. Bob

    Vee, I'll think for you. Seriously, take a look at some of the nasty sh!t that the bible says your god wants you to do. What a jerk he'd be, so good thing he doesn't exist:

    Numbers 31:17-18
    17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
    18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

    Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

    Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

    Leviticus 25
    44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
    45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
    46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

    Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

    Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

    And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

    So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
    Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

    February 1, 2013 at 10:00 pm |
  19. Vee

    Bob , you need to lay off the bottle and Harry potter books, also take a chill pill Bill, oh I'm sorry Bob,stop miss reading the Bible, I am praying for you.

    February 1, 2013 at 9:25 pm |
    • Bob

      "miss reading the bible", indeed. Maybe if you progress to grade 1, you'll actually be able to read.

      February 1, 2013 at 10:02 pm |
  20. Vee

    @ hawiiguest or what ever, I was not trying to be mean, but you sound like you are on your way to hell, please buy a bible, I was trying to help Michelle to better understand and know God. May God bless you anyway.

    February 1, 2013 at 9:12 pm |
    • Bob

      Vee, when you look at the nasty demands purportedly from your god in that Christian book of horrors known as the bible, you really shouldn't be telling people to buy into that stuff. Christian god sure seems like quite the nasty human rights abuser, being presented as making vicious, violent demands like these:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Leviticus 25
      44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
      45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
      46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
      Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      February 1, 2013 at 9:16 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Vee

      No you weren't trying to be mean. Nor did I say that. You were trying to be self-righteous. You were trying to be more secure in your own beliefs by showing how pious you are. I've read the bible, and still own my KJV from when I was a kid. The fact that you think I don't have one merely illustrates my point. Your narrow minded view completely ignores that some people just don't believe the book you put so much stock into.

      February 1, 2013 at 9:17 pm |
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