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January 31st, 2013
04:21 AM ET

Unholy details of a religious cult

CNN's Brooke Baldwin talks to Rafael Romo about a religious cult whose members were believed to be victims of sex slavery.

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- A. Hawkins

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  1. Notary

    ...you did know that Americans now spend more on drugs known to cause brain damage than they do on nationaal defense, did you not? Do you really expect more from Americans, little j?
    It should come as no surprise this ignorance of dumbed-down citizens on display here, but you yourself ARE surprised by even your own failure to add and can hardly subtract.

    February 11, 2013 at 9:52 am |
  2. Notary

    @jere. Your inabilty to iunderstand text without pictures to help you is showing. Tuck your dress back under your pants and gird your loins, I suggest.

    February 11, 2013 at 9:45 am |
  3. Jary Heckd

    A large portion of those calling themselves Christians would rather be allowed to disobey Jesus Christ and not work. They would rather be lied to by their church leaders about pharmakia drugs not being allowed in temples dedicated to God, their own obese bodies. They enjoy the lies they are told and will be exposed along with their own wolves wearing sheeps clothing. And they will disband when organized religions are abolished by governments so as not to bite tge hand that feeds them, like Israelites who longed for the good old days of free watermelons as slaves in Egypt.
    And then the end of corrupted men ruling the earth along with their dependants will come after all have been warned by the true and only followers of Christ on earth. The hard working-self sufficient-Godly devoted few. The skinny of God will warn the fat not of God. The ones with minds altered by the words of jesus warning the ones with minds altered by drugs.

    February 11, 2013 at 3:21 am |
  4. Jary Heckd

    ...now make a decent living by making and selling lots of stuff to greedy fat people in other lands like US, and no longer are State depemdants. They work hard and God notices those who are anything like His hard working son was while on earth. Those who are lazy as an obese sloth escape God's notice no matter how much of their welfare money is given to wealthy Jews living in modern Israel. Those are not the Jewish people who followed tthe way of Jesus and became his followers. Those are greedy Jews who deny Christ. You would be better off buting more junk for yourselves with your welfare monies.

    February 11, 2013 at 3:03 am |
  5. Jary Heckd

    ...in the meantime, God has placed hooks in the jaws of the worlds militaristic national leaders who allow crooked corporations to steal fat peoples money and use it to rebuild invaded and occupied lands and to provide electricity to millions and millions of citizens around the world who currently live on less than 4 dollars per day. (per household)
    As nationalized peoples suffering from obesity epidemics and drug dependancies cry about these things to the very leaders who are carrying out these things, those who strive to be like Christ are happy that ENRON stole your money to built electric powerplants providing electricity to millions of decent people in foreign lands who can now provide for their families without government assistance or crooked activities. Now that Afghanistan is occupied and American owned oil flows through Afghan pipelines, China pays 1/4th what you pay for crude oil sold to them by your own former leaders and current businessmen. Decent hard working citizens in China can now...

    February 11, 2013 at 2:31 am |
  6. Jary Heckd

    Not one of Jesus Christ's followers was obese, smoked, got drunk, used greek pharmakia drugs, nor ate more than their own fair share of food. All of them worked hard with their own two hands and made a living off of the sweat of their brow just as Jesus humself did do. None went into deep debt to live in luxurious homes and lived simple lives as slaves of Jesus. Not even one Christian woman worked for anyone as a carreer but stayed home with their children. Not one went to a university, and none joined with Jews rebelling from Roman governmental aithority. Roman troops allowed Christians to leave Jerusalem before killing every single reblelious Jew.
    Only true Christians will remain organized when governments abolish organized religions. As foretold and as has always been the case, God warns those He is about to execute. The last Christians standing will be organized to make sure every single person on earth hears God's warning and last call to repent from their ungodly ways. Just as in the days of Noah.

    February 11, 2013 at 2:05 am |
  7. Jary Heckd

    And yes, organized religion will be abolished worldwide just as promised. As mentioned above, today's religious leaders are crooked men who have misled today's churchgoers. They keep secret the fact that mind-altering drugs of any kind (called pharmakia by the apostle Paul as described above) are banned substances for Christians suffering from depression. Also, today's religious leaders bow to whatever flag happens ro be flying over their head, and actively recruit for and support militaries all over the world, sending even their own offspring to kill Christians living in othger lands whie they preach that "Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword".
    None of today's Christian religions are acceptable to God and will be abolished by powerful governments just as Rome destroyed Jerusalem and what was once God's temple but was ran by thieves calling themselves God's chosen.
    ALL Christians know their own bodies are temples unto the Lord. God does not accept sacrifices made from obese temples of today.

    February 11, 2013 at 1:40 am |
  8. Jary Heckd

    ...and, btw, those called "slaves" in God's word are called "employees" today. During the days when Hebrew speaking peoples were the only ones obeying God's commands, when a man fell on hard times provision was made for him to sell himdelf into slavery to another man, who was bound by law regarding the treatment of his laborers. African tribespeople did not sell themselves into slavery, and so aare no comparison at all. Most were sold by their own tribal leaders to Arab-African slavemasters who then sold them to weathy Muslims in other lands. Slaves were forced to convert to Islam and is why many black people are Muslims today.
    Tribal leaders also sold slaves to European traders who then transported and sold those slaves to Americans in the deep south USA, most of whom claimed to be Christians just as today. The words of Jesus make no provison for his followers to either be slaves or to slave for tiches, and certainly not to own slaves as we call them today. You may slave for God and for God alone.

    February 11, 2013 at 1:18 am |
  9. Jary Heckd

    If your religious leader has not warned you of God's word banning Christians from using mind-altering pharmakia drugs, you are being misled and also have child abusers in your church being known of by your leaders and kept secret from the police. Most of these men are obese and have made investments for their future in money rather than in God. One can hardly distinguish today's church leaders from the leaders of anything else. They look like bankers and lawyers and investors rather than as humble men of God.
    They cannot afford to own luxurious homes yet they borrow on the future so as to have their reward from men now rather than from God.in the future. This as they claim to be representing a poor man, Jesus Christ.
    These corrupt men are about to reach their end. Many will go to prison for harboring child molestors with many others for failure to pay taxes on huge profits. The flock of God will be made clean and presentable to Him, a living sacrifice with each offering being unblemished by pharmakia.

    February 11, 2013 at 12:33 am |
  10. Jary Heckd

    It WOULD be a surprise if corrupted men WEREN'T leading today's Christian religion. Jesus Christ himself warned of men who are like "wolves wearing sheep clothing" sneaking into the church and misleading many by twisting God's word for their own selfish gain.
    Today's Christian religions are ALL currently being led astray by the manwolves. Any who threaten to expose them are dealt with harshly by these false representatives of Jesus Christ. That our religious leaders are false can be seen by even a child. These men are rich from feeding off of the flock where Jesus was poor from feeding his flock. These men even wag their heads when speaking of God just as God's word said they would wag their heads while speaking. Some of these men even raype underaged males and keep secret others that abuse children.
    Fear not you lovers of Jesus Christ. That men even greater than the prophets of old would be trained and equipped to expose these imposters is a promise found in God's word. Jesus Christ has not abandoned us.

    February 11, 2013 at 12:12 am |
    • jere

      I'm astounded how many of these posts are incomprehensible, that sound as if typed in a drug-induced.... I expect better from people I'd think were literate enough to read such a blog.

      February 11, 2013 at 6:52 am |
  11. Jary Heckd

    Back in the first century when the apostle Paul was establishing the first Christian churches, only pagans and Jews went for pharmakia products being pushed by Greek medical doctors and their trained associates in other lands. ChRistians were taught "If there by anyone among you suffering, seek out the elder men of the church" rather than seek pharmakia as pagans and Jews were doing. Those old men were under the stricy command of Jesus Christ's command to "Speak consolingly to the depressed souls" among them.
    The word pharmakia is used 5 times in the NT, incl Galations 5:20 where druggery is listed with drunkeness as feeding one"s own fleshly desires rather than treating any sort of ailment.
    Religious leaders all know these things but prefer a dumbed-down church following mindlessly and believing their false words just as they do for medical doctors.
    They have altered God's word and have misled many to become addicted to pharmakia drugs This comes with the death penalty by God's decree.

    February 10, 2013 at 11:33 pm |
  12. Jary Heckd

    @little b brad. No, of course not. Anything that men touch is corrupted, even the bible.
    If you check interlinear translations where the original koine greek word used in the earliest manuscripts are side ny side with modrn words used to represent them, and research what the original word used actually means, you will find many obvious corruptions of God's word.
    The Apostle Paul listing 'pharmakia' as a work of the flesh along with drunkeness has been mistranslated in all modern bibles. Rather than using Paul's word 'pharmakia' that obviously refers to pharmaceutical drug usage and literally means "druggery" is rendered as witchcraft,a sorcery, spiritism, etc. in all of todays modern bibles.
    Imagine the impact that Christians would have on Big Pharma if they knew mind altering pharmakia drugs are banned for all Christians the same as other vices such as sodomizing your wife. Over 85% of the US population claim Christianity of the bible and almost every poerful politician swears by the bible, incl. Obama.

    February 10, 2013 at 11:12 pm |
  13. brad

    so the exact word of god in the english translated bible is infallible but you have to take everything in context or it wont make sense? what a load of crap.

    February 10, 2013 at 6:58 pm |
  14. stevie68a

    If religious people came to realize that they were brainwashed as children, they might become angry enough to get rid of
    their delusion. You can be a good person without this junk.

    February 9, 2013 at 6:04 pm |
  15. MyTwoCents

    Hey how bought testing our Bible knowledge. The Foundation For Religious Facts has a fifty question multiple choice test on Bible knowledge. Go to : http://www.ffrf.org/legacy/quiz Have fun ; – )

    February 1, 2013 at 11:32 pm |
    • End Religion

      Just as important, test your Dr. Seuss knowledge:
      http://www.funtrivia.com/quizzes/for_children/kid_lit_authors_l_-_z/dr_seuss.html

      February 2, 2013 at 6:22 pm |
    • I wonder

      MyTwoCents,

      This quiz (or one very much like it) was featured on these blogs a while ago.

      Atheists and agnostics scored dramatically higher than Christians/other religious adherents.

      February 2, 2013 at 6:31 pm |
    • I wonder

      End Religion,

      FunTrivia?! That's one of my favorite web sites - I've been on there for years!

      February 2, 2013 at 6:34 pm |
  16. Agnostic theist

    I am a big fan of all the religions I've been but if your religion is telling you to hurt people..pick another one. There are plenty to choose from. And if you practice it by yourself...hey good news, your not in a cult.

    February 1, 2013 at 8:39 pm |
    • End Religion

      It does seem it could be an interesting world if everyone had his own god with the caveat that it was illegal or maybe at least socially frowned upon to have the same god as anyone else. No organized religion because each god is different. Then we can each have whatever fantasy we want to get us through the day (if we need that) but we wouldn't have the harm that occurs when mobs form. Organized religion is basically a mob formed around a delusion which, because of its group-think, has allowed for segregation, murder, and violence against entire peoples.

      February 1, 2013 at 9:16 pm |
  17. LC

    For all of those who are saying that Christianity promotes slavery in any way, I encourage you to step away from the book of Leviticus (or any book in the OT that talks about laws outside of the 10 commandments) and instead, go read the book of Romans....you'll learn a lot more about the true meaning the of the Bible there. Happy reading!

    February 1, 2013 at 10:41 am |
    • Damocles

      Yes! Only read the parts of the bible that conform to what you believe and give you a raging case of the warm and fuzzies!

      February 1, 2013 at 10:43 am |
      • LC

        No, I highly doubt the book of Romans will make you feel warm and fuzzy....which is why you should try studying it. That's probably the last feeling you'll get, if at all.

        February 1, 2013 at 10:47 am |
    • LinCA

      Oh, right. The tried and true method of just picking and choosing something that happens to coincide with your current prejudices.

      February 1, 2013 at 10:45 am |
      • LC

        No, it's the tried and true method of reading the Bible in context and according to history. It's called learning instead of just reading and coming up with your own interpretations (i.e. "the Bible vouches for slavery") No my dear, read it in it's historical context. K thanks bye....

        February 1, 2013 at 10:48 am |
    • rabidatheist

      Have you read the New Testament? It also endorses slavery. "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ" Ephesians 6

      February 1, 2013 at 12:56 pm |
      • LC

        I've read it....numerous times. Have you read a history book? Clearly the Bible was not written in the last 200 hundred years. It does not condone slavery, but once again is written during a time when slavery was acceptable. The overall message of that scripture is that we are to obey the laws of the land, that is, unless they tell Christians to denounce God (Acts 2). The laws of the land or written by man. The overall message is what is inspired by God.

        Read Romans – in context – and you'll learn a lot more about Christianity than you will in other books. My suggestion is that atheist and agnostics stop pulling out random laws in the Bible without thoroughly researching the historical context in which is was written.

        February 1, 2013 at 1:17 pm |
      • LC

        And likewise, you have to take into consideration the part that says "just as you would obey Christ" which is also outlined in the part about wives submitting to their husbands....as to Christ!

        This is an assumption that the slave master or husband is displaying the character of Christ in everything they do. It's an analogy for how the Church submits to Christ, but one must first understand the sacrificial love that Christ had for the Church and his overall character. Anyone in a leadership position (Slave master, husband, parent, etc.) who does not exemplify that character, has failed at their duty.

        The purpose is not for one to submit to another, but for the person receiving the submission to humbly lead that person in the way of Christ – much like Jesus did for the Church, giving his very own life for it.

        February 1, 2013 at 1:22 pm |
    • End Religion

      Your monarch god condones and advocates slavery. Your worship of this "King" is distasteful commentary on your own skewed beliefs concerning mankind.

      February 1, 2013 at 1:35 pm |
      • LC

        How did you come to this conclusion that He condones slavery. Clearly you didn't read my comments to other people who stated a similar opinion. Read those. Read the book of Romans and then come to a more detailed conclusion based off of facts about my God as opposed to a mere opinion based on nothing. Thanks!

        February 1, 2013 at 1:38 pm |
    • rabidatheist

      LC did you really just say that because it was written (by men) at a time when slavery was ok according to god? So he suddenly changed his mind? "Oh slavery is ok...... oh wait I've changed my mind, but as god I didn't forsee that i was going to change my mind". Please stop this nonsense that you have absolutely no way of supporting, or offering a shred of evidence to prove. By your logic, there is nothing wrong with Mohammad raping a 9 year old because "it was ok at the time". You also cannot condemn human sacrifice in South America because, "Hey it was ok at the time".
      It's you believers the love to cherry pick the nice words, while ignoring the depravity in the Bible, then backflip like a Jedi to get out of contradictions, and downright lies in the Bible.

      February 1, 2013 at 1:49 pm |
      • LC

        God did not write Ephesians, He inspired it. I never said God said slavery was okay. What I did say is that you need to read that book in context.

        Mohammed raping someone because it "Was okay at that time" is not my view, nor the Christian view. That's you twisting my words. These laws were written by man, not God. Get that straight. You think you're making a point by twisting my words...

        Read the Bible in context. No where does it condone these things. Everything that is outside of the rules written by God (The 10 commandments) are a result of the sin that entered the world. Any other law was created to create order because of sin – by man. Also, the analogy between slave masters and slaves is supposed to be a representation of Christ and the Church – the Churches submission to Christ and Christ's love for the Church. Any abuse that comes along from slavery is not a representation of Christ and the Church; it's sin.

        February 1, 2013 at 2:02 pm |
    • End Religion

      Your Un-American monarch god condones and advocates slavery. Your worship of this "King" is distasteful commentary on your own skewed beliefs concerning mankind. Did I mention your preference of monarchy is Un-American?

      February 1, 2013 at 1:56 pm |
      • LC

        What exactly is "American". Last I checked, once upon a time American thought it was okay for my ancestors to be their slaves – the whippings, beatings and lynchings. I'm sorry, but being of African and American Indian descent, please, let's NOT talk about what's "Un-American"....

        God does not condone slavery or the mistreatment of people. America? Haha now that's a great history lesson!

        February 1, 2013 at 2:04 pm |
    • End Religion

      Your Un-American monarch god condones and advocates slavery. Your worship of this "King" is distasteful commentary on your own skewed beliefs concerning mankind. Did I mention your preference of monarchy is Un-American??

      February 1, 2013 at 2:05 pm |
    • rabidatheist

      LC you believers really have to pick a story, and stick to it. Either this is the infallible word of god, or it's the poorly writen word of men, you don't get to claim both just to squirm out of contradictions. If you are going to go with the word of god, he did a pretty bad job, he calls the moon a "light source". And either Paul is a vessel for the "word of god" or he is not, and you can take his contradictory vison tale, and throw it right in the garbage.

      February 1, 2013 at 2:16 pm |
      • LC

        It is the infallible Word of God, but for the hundredth time – read it in context! You cannot just find a scripture, think it means something and just run with it. Even some pastors do that, and still get it wrong.

        It is not about slavery, but an analogy between Christ and the Church that Paul is trying to explain. It's the same for the Husband and Wife and the Parent and Child.

        What you are missing is the point of "as to the Lord" and the role of the person in leadership. If the Husband, Slave Master or Parent is not submitted to Christ and leading in a way that Christ would lead His church then they are abusing their role of leadership and not taking the proper responsibility. It's not about slavery....you'd know that if you read the Bible in context, my friend.

        February 1, 2013 at 2:26 pm |
    • rabidatheist

      LC you are either lying as "medicine for the faith" as Eusebius considered ok, or contorting yourself like like a human pretzel to make something what it is not. Not only is it said in Ephesians, but it is also said in Collosians as 'INSTRUCTIONS", not an anology. You are the one taking it out of context in a sad attempt to lessen the immorality of what it says.
      as for infallible, so the moon is a light source? The sun rules the day, and the moon rules the night in a universe where night and day only matter to those of us looking up? This goes to show you that men looking UP wrote it, trying to wrap their ancient minds around what they were watching, and NOT some god looking DOWN.

      February 1, 2013 at 3:02 pm |
    • End Religion

      Dance, LC, dance! You and Topher Monkey would make a great team, tap dancing your way through the "context" of biblical passages. Here's my impersonation of LC:

      "As I said before it is all about context. God is not saying slavery is good, God is simply saying that to be good we must be like slaves, that's all. Nothing more, nothing less. It's just context. Get it? 'Slavery' equals "not good' but 'being like a slave' equals 'good'. I can't say it any more plainly. Why do you not get it?"

      February 1, 2013 at 3:10 pm |
      • LC

        You're getting it! Except the slavery Paul is talking about in regards to our relationship with Christ is one of a bondservant. Bond servants actually have a choice, after work is done, to leave and start their own life, but instead choose to stay in slavery because they love their master. This is what Paul calls himself in Romans 1 (a great book in the Bible, I suggest you read it!). In this case, Paul is referring to himself as a bondservant to Christ as opposed to one of the world, because God has done so much for Him and been gracious to Him.....In other words, God has been a fair master. He is not abusive, rude, or mistreats those who desire to be bondservants. However, we could be bondservants to many things including sin....

        Glad you're finally catching on to the analogy. Just make sure you're looking at the type of slave that is being talked about.

        February 1, 2013 at 3:39 pm |
    • rabidatheist

      No it's not. Do you have the teachers edition, or one with different words than mine? Because you are inserting your own meaning to the text that is not there, and your only doing it to explain away it's ugliness.

      February 1, 2013 at 3:49 pm |
      • LC

        Teacher's edition of the Bible? Now why exactly would I use the Bible to explain the Bible? Is that what you're suggesting I do? And is that what you are doing? If so, I need you to look into history, because doing the latter is called circular reasoning.

        February 1, 2013 at 3:54 pm |
    • End Religion

      lol, and of course because the space between your ears is empty, you can't see that the difference is nil. You're another atrocious human being advocating and condoning slavery. It's been high time for your religion to pass into history. It's good to see it finally happening, and to see all the tap dancing monkeys. Enjoy it while you can!

      February 1, 2013 at 8:27 pm |
    • LinCA

      @LC

      You said, "No, it's the tried and true method of reading the Bible in context and according to history."
      You may want to adjust your perception of "true". The method that you claim to produce a true representation of the meaning of your bible, has yielded more than 38,000 different christian denominations, sects and cults. They all claim to know the correct interpretation. If the results vary this wildly, how can anyone in his or her right mind claim it to be a "tried and true method"?

      You said, "It's called learning instead of just reading and coming up with your own interpretations"
      No. Believers don't learn. They get indoctrinated.

      February 3, 2013 at 2:07 pm |
      • LC

        Right.....Each of these are nothing more than your own opinion. We're done.

        And they say Christians are intolerant? Ha! No atheist goes back and forth with Hindu or Buddhist. Do you all have some sort of vendetta against Christianity? Sheesh!

        Have a good day...

        February 3, 2013 at 2:11 pm |
    • LinCA

      @LC

      You said, "Right.....Each of these are nothing more than your own opinion. We're done."
      You've claimed to be a sociologist, yet you fail to recognize (or more likely acknowledge) that there are thousands of different christian cults? You fail to recognize (or more likely acknowledge) that that totally demolishes your "tried and true" argument?

      I get it. You don't like the feeling of being backed into a corner. But there is a way out. Simply acknowledge to yourself what you already know to be true. Your entire religion is based on nothing but bullshit. It may hurt for a while, but it will get better.

      You said, "And they say Christians are intolerant?"
      Not all christians are intolerant, but all are deluded.

      You said, "Ha! No atheist goes back and forth with Hindu or Buddhist. Do you all have some sort of vendetta against Christianity? Sheesh!"
      Your persecution complex is showing.

      Most of the articles on this site have a christian angle. Most believers that post here are christian. You can expect rational people to respond to christians more than to others.

      I don't have a vendetta, just a low tolerance for willful ignorance.

      February 3, 2013 at 2:25 pm |
      • LC

        You're so immature are you done?
        I wouldn't post the things I did if I didn't believe them to be absolutely truth....yes, I said absolute truth – I believe there is one. I don't feel backed into a corner, but if you don't believe what I do quite frankly, I don't care. Go watch the Superbowl....go Ravens! .....then again, you'll probably disagree with that too, so for the sake of another one of your annoying comments "Go Niners!".....then against you might not be a football fan, so just enjoy the commercials....do whatever you have to do....just live your life. I get it, you think Christianity is a joke. We're done.

        February 3, 2013 at 7:13 pm |
    • LinCA

      @LC

      You said, "You're so immature are you done?"
      Immature? Me? Last time I checked I wasn't the one clinging to infantile beliefs.

      You said, "I wouldn't post the things I did if I didn't believe them to be absolutely truth."
      I guess it is even worse than i thought. It is clear that you are completely deluded. I have no doubt that you will discard anything that interferes with that delusion.

      You said, "...yes, I said absolute truth – I believe there is one."
      I'm sure there is an absolute truth. You are just miles away from it. But feel free to believe whatever nonsense you want. Ignorance and stupidity aren't illegal.

      You said, "I don't feel backed into a corner, but if you don't believe what I do quite frankly, I don't care."
      Blissful ignorance is often the first refuge of the deluded. I believe that you will shield your infantile belief in your imaginary friend against any and all rational arguments.

      You said, "I get it, you think Christianity is a joke."
      Yup, it is. But don't feel too bad, so is every other delusion.

      You said, "We're done."
      Awww. Just when it started to get interesting.

      February 4, 2013 at 12:16 am |
      • LC

        o_O
        You said, "Awww. Just when it started to get interesting."
        There was nothing interesting about this conversation.

        It's only interesting if both parties set aside their differences and biases and openly attempt to understand the other as opposed to name-calling and closed-mindedness.

        That's clearly not going to happen here, therefore the "conversation" is done. However, if you would like to set aside your biases, actually discuss this matter and leave the whole "You're delusional" "You've been indoctrinated" crap to the side, then we can continue....We get nowhere if you're not open to listen because you're so stuck and set in your own views about Christianity and the 38,000+ "cults" within it. Likewise, I learn nothing from you if all you do is try to insult me for what I believe. Both of us walk away not having learned anything from the other – I call that a pointless conversation and a waste of my time and life.

        February 4, 2013 at 12:43 pm |
    • LinCA

      @LC

      You said, "It's only interesting if both parties set aside their differences and biases and openly attempt to understand the other as opposed to name-calling and closed-mindedness."
      OK. I'll suspend the name-calling and will listen to your arguments with an open mind. Can you please provide some reasoned feedback to the questions that i have regarding your beliefs and religion.

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't your entire religion hinge on the existence of the christian god? Doesn't it therefor mean that, unless there is a reason to believe this god exists, there isn't anything of substance to your religion?

      Unless you can make a rational case for the existence of your god, why would it be rational to believe it exists?

      Unless you can make a rational case for the existence of your god, why would it be rational to believe it had a human son?

      Unless you can make a rational case for the existence of your god, why would christianity be rational? Why is it not irrational?

      Without a rational case for the existence of your god, what makes your religion and its gatherings any different from a book club?

      You said, "However, if you would like to set aside your biases, actually discuss this matter and leave the whole "You're delusional" "You've been indoctrinated" crap to the side, then we can continue."
      Ok. Tell me why I was wrong.

      Without a rational case for the existence of your god, how do you explain why so many people still believe in it? What other explanation is there than that they weren't really given a choice? What would you call it if people aren't given a choice but forced to believe something just because they are told to?

      What about people that choose to believe something, even though there is no rational reason to do so?

      You said, "We get nowhere if you're not open to listen because you're so stuck and set in your own views about Christianity and the 38,000+ "cults" within it."
      Do you dispute the number, or do you take offense to me calling them "cults"? The number isn't anything that I made up (a quick google search will tell you), and I'm OK calling them "denominations", if that make you feel better.

      It still destroys your "tried and true" argument, because if it was true, you'd end up at the exact same conclusion every single time. The fact that there is more than one interpretation means neither can be "true" without additional substantiation.

      February 4, 2013 at 2:45 pm |
  18. Bob

    All religions are equally absurd.

    February 1, 2013 at 2:32 am |
  19. Bootyfunk

    yes, cults believe all kinds of craziness. i heard of one cult that worships a god that drowns babies. they follow a book that has unicorns, satyrs and dragons in it. they think the world is only 6K yrs old. they think s.ex is evil. they preach hate for g.ays - maybe because their book says to kill them. they think women are third class baby making machines with no rights to their own bodies. their book has talking snakes and talking donkeys in it (like in Shrek!) also has a guy living in the belly of a whale for 3 days (like in Pinocchio!)

    boy, the cult of christianity sure is crazy!

    February 1, 2013 at 1:09 am |
  20. ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

    My Camel Jockey lost in Coca-Cola Super Bowl AD. Spit on my face. I am ashamed to be a Muslim.

    January 31, 2013 at 10:00 pm |
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The CNN Belief Blog covers the faith angles of the day's biggest stories, from breaking news to politics to entertainment, fostering a global conversation about the role of religion and belief in readers' lives. It's edited by CNN's Daniel Burke and Eric Marrapodi with daily contributions from CNN's worldwide newsgathering team.