By Stephanie Gallman, CNN
(CNN) – Ask Dylan Thompson to name his career highlights, and fans might expect to hear about one of his big moments as South Carolina's backup quarterback - like the time he led the Gamecocks to victory over rival Clemson, or when he threw the game-winning touchdown with 11 seconds left in the Outback Bowl.
But while Thompson said he's proud of his team’s accomplishments as well as his own, nothing really compares to what happened to him off the field his freshman year.
“Being saved and dedicating my life to Christ is actually the greatest thing that’s ever happened to me,” Thompson said.
His desire to spread the Gospel and share his faith propelled Thompson and his mentor, Jack Easterby, to come up with The Bible Out Loud project, an online initiative aimed at getting Christians to memorize and recite Scripture.
After the 27-17 victory over Clemson last November, Thompson felt he was receiving far too much attention. Not that it was undeserved: he threw for 310 yards and three touchdowns.
But Thompson says the number of touchdowns he scores pales in comparison to what’s really important.
“We need to get the attention back on Jesus,” he said.
The rules for The Bible Out Loud project are simple: Participants memorize one to five verses from the New International Version of the Bible and record themselves reciting it. Then they upload their video to YouTube and copy and paste the link to the project's web site.
Thompson said it's something people can do regardless of their denomination, social status or income, and it puts the focus back where he says it should be, on God’s word.
He recognizes that his status on the football field gives him a “tremendous opportunity to share” his testimony and lead others down the path to faith.
Easterby, who is the executive director of The Greatest Champion Foundation, agrees.
We are hoping to "rally the troops" using well-known athletes’ influence, said Easterby, whose organization, according to its website, uses "the platform of athletics" to "communicate the message of Christ.”
The promotional video for Bible Out Loud features several South Carolina athletes, but they're not named in an effort to keep the focus on Scripture. But diehard Gamecock fans will recognize them, and college fans will likely recognize running back Marcus Lattimore, who suffered a season-ending injury that brought everyone in Williams-Brice Stadium to their feet back in October.
Thompson said he’s even talked South Carolina head football coach Steve Spurrier into reading a verse for the project.
“He told me he was proud of me for doing it,” Thompson said.
Easterby understands there is often skepticism when it comes to religion, but he stresses the project involves no money and is pure in its intentions. He said Christians often face persecution when spreading their message, but so far backlash to the Bible Out Loud project has been minimal.
“A lot less than I had anticipated,” he laughs.
Most of the responses have been positive, and the project's goal of having an entire video Bible online by the end of the year is well on its way to being completed. Less than three weeks in, Easterby said more than 1,000 of the 31,000-plus verses have already been submitted.
There's been no shortage of variety, either, which is what Thompson said he’d hoped for. Among the videos posted online: a couple standing outside next to a lake reciting Proverbs 12:2-3; schoolchildren in uniform reciting 2 Timothy 2:15; and a boy wearing his football jersey reciting Acts 16:31.
The influx of submissions has let Easterby, who views each video before posting it to the site, be more selective.
“The Bible is meant to be read joyfully,” he said. Easterby has been in contact with submitters who aren’t speaking clearly or loudly enough on the video, asking them to resubmit.
The task of going over the videos with a watchful eye is challenging, but he said he wouldn’t want it any other way.
“It’s been unbelievable,” Easterby said. “Flat out amazing.”
THE DATING GAME
Well, its a new week so it's time for a new topic to be discussed. This week, we'll be discussing radiometric dating. How did the experts reach the conclusion that the earth was millions of years old? Most people not in the geological field believe this determination came from radiometric dating techniques. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Geology When the field of geology was first getting started, geologists were looking at the numerous layers (strata) that appeared in the cliffs. Many of the features that were found were originally assumed to be caused by the Biblical worldwide flood. At that time, there wasn't a stated Biblical age of the earth, so they presumed that the earth was an infinite number of years old. This was known to be illogical so it was accepted to be somewhat less than infinite, but still a very long time.
ChristianityThen, James Ussher published a chronology of the Biblical timeline, stating that creation was on October 23, 4004 BC. This 6000 year history was much too short for geologists to accept. So, with this estimate, the race was on to determine the age of the earth.
Physics In 1779, Comte du Buffon used the cooling rate of a sphere to determined the age of the earth to be 75,000 years old. In 1862, Lord Kelvin (as he was later known) improved upon his work by using physics. He assumed that the Earth had formed as a completely molten object and determined the number of years needed to cool to it's present temperature. Using this method, he initially determined the age to be 400 million years, but subsequent revisions increase his precision and adjusted his estimate down to just 20 million years. Other physicists duplicated his experiments and came to similar conclusions.
Evolution At the same time, Charles Darwin had revived the Greek's theory of evolution. Adherents to this new philosophy also realized that even 20 million years, much less the 75,000 years, was much too short for evolution to have occurred.
Unification So, there were three conflicting sciences on the age of the earth. All of them conflicted with the Christian view. Was reconciliation possible with these three differing views? Salvation came from the discovery of radioactivity. In 1896 radioactivity was discovered and nine years later it was determined that radioactive materials generated heat. This heat could melt an equal weight of ice in less than an hour. Geologists were quick to point out that this heat undermined the physicists assumptions which were used in their calculations to determine the age of the earth.
Radiometric Dating With the discovery of radioactivity, came the co-discovery of radiometric half-lives. A half life was the period of time needed for a radioactive material to decompose into its stable daughter element. For example, radioactive carbon (i.e. Ccarbon-14) will decay into a stable form of carbon called Carbon-12. While some radioactive materials have a short half-life (C14 – 5,730 years), others like radioactive potassium have a long half-life (K40 – 1.3 billion years). Assuming that there is a fixed ratio of parent-daughter elements at the beginning and that there is a steady decay rate, experts theorized that they could use this decay rate to determine the age of an item.
Carbon Dating Carbon is a part of our atmosphere. When carbon is high up in the atmosphere, sunlight can cause C14 to form from C12. Because C14 will decay over time, a ratio between C14 to C12 will develop. Carbon is a part of every living organism – as carbon dioxide. Plants absorb it while animals will expire it. Since C14 is a part of the atmosphere, every living organism should have this same ratio of C14 to C12 in its cells. Once that organism dies, new C14 will no longer enter that organism. Thus, the C14-C12 ratio will gradually fall as the C14 decays. With these assumptions, the C14-C12 ratio can be used to date how long ago that living organism died. Because of its short half-life of 5,730 years, accuracy tapers off so that effective dating is limited between 30,000 years and 60,000 years (depends upon the method used).
Dating Failures So, how accurate is the carbon dating method? There have been a number of failures to accurately date dead organisms. For example, a freshly killed seal was dated to have died 1,300 years ago, while as fresh water snail was dated to have died 27,000 years ago. These issues exposed the problems with the underlying assumptions of radiometric dating. Subsequent research has postulated that the oceans act like a C14 sink, raising the C14-C12 ratio.
Carbon Dating Calibration Over time, small fluctuations in the C14-C12 atmospheric ratio occur. These fluctuations require some method of calibrating the radiometric dating results to ensure accuracy. Using dendrochronology (i.e. counting the tree rings), radiologists can fine-tune the results of the measurements to yield a calendar date. However, this is limited to a living tree. The oldest living tree is named Methuselah. This bristlecone pine is approximately 4,850 years old. Therefore, carbon dating accuracy is limited to less than 5,000 years ago.
Potassium (K-Ar) Dating Failures Using the recent island of Surtsey to calibrate the potassium argon method, a scientist found the age of the lava to be many millions of years old. Later, it was postulated that atmospheric argon had diffused back into the cooling lava, yielding the excessive age. Another example was the island of Haualalai (Hawaii) which formed in 1800-1801. It was dated to be 1.6 million years old by the Potassium-Argon dating method. So, it was clear that long-term radiometric dating methods needed to be calibrate too.
Long-Term Radiometric Dating Calibration According to Frank Rhodes, the only known method of calibrating long-term radiometric measurements is by using fossils.
Fossils are the most important single method of correlation. Fossils are the remains of, or direct indication of, prehistoric animals and plants. Although they are influenced by environment of deposition, similar assemblages of fossils generally indicate similarity of age in the rocks that contain them.
Rhodes, Frank H.T. – Geology, Western Publishing Company, 1972, pg 72
So, they use radiometric dating to determine the age of a fossil, while using fossils to calibrate the results. Talk about circular logic!
Sorry about the long post, but wanted to include all the important details.
I don't know you very well. Are you the young-earth sort? How old do you believe the earth is? The Universe?
Icr.org l4h BLA BLA BLA
Carbon – 14
Chapter 6 John Morris icr on the bible bla bla bla
18 Major Event in the Geological Thaetre.
Principles of Evolution. You are in a test tube sorry
New Jan. 30 2013
University of Minnesota researchers unveil first artificial enzyme created by evolution in a test tube
You were doing pretty well up until this point –
"So, they use radiometric dating to determine the age of a fossil, while using fossils to calibrate the results. Talk about circular logic!"
You misconstrue the quote you used from professor Rhodes'. Professor Rhodes is indicating a correlation between the age of fossils and the age of the rocks that contain them. He is not indicating that the age of fossils is used to "calibrate" radiometric dating. Do you just misunderstand this or are you being dishonest?
Oops Thanks Doc
I almost can't believe you posted that with a straight face. What a crack pot collection of spurious tripe you assembled to try to dispute the validity of radiometric dating.
You do realize don't you that the vast bulk of scientific fidelity is recent. Within the past 100 years. But you plop down antiquated tidbits as if they possess verification of flaws in modern technology.
You mention geology in terms of when it wasn't yet a science similar to using astronomy to descibe what observers were doing before Galileo used a telescope.
Physics fron 1779 and 1862 to descibe a cooling sphere as an analolgy to the cooling Earth. Really??
The iron core is a dynamo, remember the magnetic field surrounding our planet? That creates friction(heat). Add to that the energy from the sun, flexing from the tidal pull of the moon and the radioactive decay of high energy elements. Do the math now.
The rest it more of the same. I got a real kick out of the claim that since calibrating C14 by the bristlecone pine meant that it could only accurately account for less than 5000yrs. I can calibrate a ruler 12 inches long and then measure a mile. Get a life.
(U–Pb) dating ?
@Tom, Tom, the Other One : Are you the young-earth sort? How old do you believe the earth is? The Universe?
I'm a conservative Christian who uses science to determine truth. That said, the evidence points to a young earth (1M).
There is precisely ZERO evidence for a young earth, you tard.
@Science : Chapter 6 John Morris icr on the bible bla bla bla
Nope, try again. Some people read and forumlate their own opinions. Do you? Or do you let others do your thinking for you?
The pick axe and DNA Try reading It helps Peace
Check your god(S) at the cave enterance before entering.. No god(s) required for studying humans..
updated 1 hour 55 minutes ago
Jan. 29 2013
Scientists have unearthed and dated some of the oldest stone hand axes on Earth. The ancient tools, unearthed in Ethiopia in the last two decades, date to 1.75 million years ago.
@Really-O? : You misconstrue the quote you used from professor Rhodes'. Professor Rhodes is indicating a correlation between the age of fossils and the age of the rocks that contain them.
Really? Upon what do you base this accusation? I read the book and assume that you haven't. Yet, you advance this charge without evidence. So, please answer this one question. How DO they calibrate long-term radiometric dating?
@Science : (U–Pb) dating ?
How is it calibrated?
You want to convince us that the science behind radiometric dating is faulty then produce a peer reviewed scientific journal that demonstrates this written within the past 10yrs. You can't. You know why? Because if such a paper existed it would be a Nobel Prize winner and many disciplines would be affected in BIG way.
Careful, AtheistSteve. The peers of Godless scientific rationalists are Godless as well. Peer-reviewed literature can only lead us astray. We must rely on writings inspired by God. Maybe PNAS.
Evolution wins you are in a test tube.
Uranium–lead (U–Pb) dating is one of the oldest and most refined of the radiometric dating schemes, with a routine age range of about 1 million years to over 4.5 billion years, and with routine precisions in the 0.1–1 percent range
Is this all you do? Start up a topic, spin your own truth, don't listen to anybody, say you have to leave and then come back with another topic?
@AtheistSteve : You do realize don't you that the vast bulk of scientific fidelity is recent. Within the past 100 years.
Yes, I do. I also realize that as we uncover greater accuracy, we find that the basic assumptions are proven false.
@AtheistSteve : But you plop down antiquated tidbits as if they possess verification of flaws in modern technology.
So, 1972 is antiquated? How is it calibrated now?
@AtheistSteve : You mention geology in terms of when it wasn't yet a science
The book was dated 1972, not 1572. Geology has been a science since the seventeenth century.
@AtheistSteve : Do the math now.
The flaws were identified in my post, but you obviously didn't read it. What you missed was the conclusion. If this method was flawed because of the underlying assumptions, then other methods (hint: radiometric dating) can be similarly flawed if the underlying assumptions are proven false. Since they have ...
@AtheistSteve : I can calibrate a ruler 12 inches long and then measure a mile.
A half-life of 5,730 doesn't mean that a given isotope will decay in that period of time. Rather it is the statistical average decay time. Some will decay in a matter of hours while others will decay in 100,000 years. So, your analogy is incorrect since your ruler isn't significantly changing lengths.
@Damocles : Is this all you do? Start up a topic, spin your own truth, don't listen to anybody, say you have to leave and then come back with another topic?
I think a week on any given topic is sufficient. Why don't you?
It's cool, wasn't aware of your week time limit.
And on the 7th day his deity created.... Excuses.
@AtheistSteve : You want to convince us that the science behind radiometric dating is faulty then produce a peer reviewed scientific journal that demonstrates this written within the past 10yrs. You can't.
And when I do, you want it in the last 2 years. If I do that, you want it in the last 1 month. And on to infinity. Rather, a person following the scientific method would present empirical evidence proving reliable calibration. But, that's using science. But polemics don't use science, just mockery and requiring the other side to produce all the evidence.
@Damocles : And on the 7th day his deity created.... Excuses
Are you working on perfecting your excuses? You'd rather work on them than to debate?
This isn't mockery, just a question: Did you notice that when people find radiometric dating faulty in some setting they are generally honest enough to investigate why this is so, publish and enter into debate over it – all in an effort to arrive at the truth?
@Live4Him – "How DO they calibrate long-term radiometric dating?"
Using U-Pb dating as an example –
U235 and U238 have a decay constant:
(U238 = 10-1115.5125-1)
This is a constant rate of decay. So, once can measure the amount of Pb207 and Pb206 in relation to U235 and U238 and know the absolute (not relative) age of the sample (0.1%–1% precision).
You need to get your scientific information for science sources (geophysics, chemistry, geology, etc.), not the works of Christian apologists.
...well, CNN obviously does not recognize superscript, so I'll rewrite my formulas.
Italics = superscript
U235 and U238 have a decay constant:
(U238 = 10-1115.5125-1)
U235 and U238 have a decay constant:
U235 = (10-1198.485-1)
U238 = (10-1115.5125-1)
...it's been too many years...
U235 = 98.485(10-11year-1)
U238 = 15.5125(10-11year-1)
Regarding @AtheistSteve's peer review challenge – Provide a citation to a peer reviewed scientific journal that presents evidence that the U-Pb decay constant is incorrect. Any year...any decade...any century. Waiting...
@Really-O? : Provide a citation to a peer reviewed scientific journal that presents evidence that the U-Pb decay constant is incorrect.
So, your position is that Wiki (a user community website) is sufficent for you, but a higher standard is needed for your opponents?
Exactly where have I used "Wiki" as a source. The radioactive decay constants are freely available at both your local library and online.
I'll cut you some slack – forget the peer review journal requirement. Provide a citation from a text used in a university science course (it will most likely be a physics or geophysics text) that indicates that he currently accept U-Pb decay constant is incorrect. Does that make your task easier?
"that indicates that he currently accept U-Pb decay constant " should be "that indicates that the currently accepted U-Pb decay constant"
Sorry for the typos and carelessness.
@damocles: "Is this all you do? Start up a topic, spin your own truth, don't listen to anybody, say you have to leave and then come back with another topic?"
BINGO! Over and over, he asks, we provide explanation, Lie4It says "nope, it was god" then is off to another question. He isn't asking to know, he's asking so he can show his fraudulent info with the hope fence-sitters will read this, stroke their chin and think, "wow, this guy may be on to something."
The Wedge Strategy
Organized creationist effort to overturn evolution and "reverse the stifling materialist world view and replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions" through the public marketing of fraudulent pseudo-science.
"Provide a citation from a text used in a university science course"
Don't you think Liberty U is going to be using some fucked up science books? I wouldn't let Lie4It off that easy.
@End religion – good point!
Provide a citation from a text used in a university science course at one of the universities ranked in the top ten by US News & World Report's 2012 National University Rankings that indicates that the currently accepted U-Pb decay constant is incorrect.
Your entire post in the first place is meant to try to discredit radiometric dating based on only the 2 isotopes you mentioned. Carbon and Potassium. How convenient that you don't mention the dozens of other isotopes used. Isotopes with vastly different half-lives. Methods that curiously corroborate on the age of samples tested.
It's not just that you point to flawed samples as proof of your claim that radiometric dating is faulty while the vast bulk proves otherwise. This is exactly like the argument held by believers that the few unexplained events held up as proof of miracles are somehow immune to the countless other examples where natural explanations fit the bill nicely. Unless of course you dimiinish the criteria for miracle to one of almost meaniingless proportions.
So if you want to dispute the validity of radiometric dating then the following quote describes how best to go about it.
"Refuting the conventional geological time scale is not an exercise in collecting examples of the worst samples possible. A critique of conventional geologic time scale should address the best and most consistent data available, and explain it with an alternative interpretation, because that is the data that actually matters to the current understanding of geologic time."
So what is your alternative interpretation? How does the data support your conclusions? Goddidit isn't sufficient. Science could prove today that evolution, geology, physics ect. are all incorrect (absurdly unlikely) and it would leave the entire scientific community scratching its head but that still wouldn't lend one bit of credence to your claims without evidence.
Dylan-Keep on keeping on bringing glory and honor to creator God both on and off the field.
I'm sorry, "Saints,sinners and demons", but "God", "Saints", "sinners" and "demons" are all elements of mythology, therefore your assertions are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE), the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".
Good morning, everyone! What shall we talk about today?
Let's talk about how the marsupials got back to Australia after the flood.
@Blessed are the Cheesemakers –
Perhaps Noah engaged one of Thor Heyerdahl's ancestors as a subcontractor.
Don,t forget, Topher's talking snake and donkey are on the boat too, aye Topher.
It's an interesting hypothesis but I don't think the boat would be big enough.
@Blessed are the Cheesemakers
Who the hell do you think you are? What makes you think reason has any part to play in this discussion?
If your don't want to use reason or logic, Lie4Him started a topic above.
Cheers to your as well. :)
Topher said that the ark was not a delivery service; fair question by you...
All this talk about success at college sports and reading the bible, but not a word about his major. This is a very sad commentary about the state of education in this country.
And chad is in a test tube maybe on Jan. 30 2013
University of Minnesota researchers unveil first artificial enzyme created by evolution in a test tube
There are some that believe the Chad was conceived in a petri dish and was the lucky embryo that was implanted, while his siblings were flushed; in Chad's world murdered. This may explain his strange obsession with the lawful meaning of child; he is right and the law is wrong. Butt out Chad, it is none of your business.
Agree , but his nose is still stuck in the test tube, maybe .
Please deliver me from the Bible read out loud. Life's hard enough being dead, without hope etc. Must you shine light on us cockroaches of evil?
Free Nuts, you may besieged by hoards of Catholic priests, bishops, cardinals and even old Ratzinger himself, be very wary. They are rapacious.
The nuts above so far any more?
Cashews above all else?
Cashews are good. Makes good human gas. Gophers like them to.
Chad is a go-for for his goddy guy and may like you Free Nuts, maybe not mixed nuts, a bit of a bigot is Chad.
Don't forget leftover nuts go to the apes ok
Jesus Christ, the son of God, our Lord and Savior deserved to be crucified. I reject him in full from my heart and pray that He burns in hell for all of eternity.
A mythical being that supposedly created every single atom in the universe and set them in motion is somehow concerned about the outcome of the games that we play? I guess it makes more sense than the god that cares what you eat and where you put your manhood.
You remind me of the parable of the prodigal son. Do you really want to be wallowing with the pigs before your realize you need to accept God's love?
Oh, that sickening "love" from god that Christians actually seem to love to boast about. Let's take a look at what their book of horrors AKA the bible really has their god demanding that they do. Such a god cannot accurately be described as a "loving" creature, but rather a human rights abusing, violent, narcisstic jerk, so good thing that it doesn't exist. This is not a creature worthy of worship, despite its supposed (and excessively vain) demands for such:
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.
And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
serial killin gubmint, you like.
they only killed five hundred million though. whats wrong with that? i wonder how many of those were...............from a one night stand.
How many gun's were in the night stand?
well this is the manifestation that God's will is a sovereign puppet show that can also be described as a procession of events, clearly revealed through dates falling as signs, as wonders. these instances, such as the reinstatement of Israel on a year where there were 4 blood moons, and the 6 year war being the same, as well as all these inflictions of israel hovering around the 9th of AV, will be the same power by which Jesus Christ will return close to a blood moon. the OT festival calandar was fulfilled by Christ, passover/crucifixion....firstfruits/resurrection.....feast of weeks/ assended
these are signs of a sovereign God the statistics are there for ywant them get themou
Hey you medieval superstitious nincompoop! How's it going with the selling of fear? That snake oil's getting tougher to sell everyday isn't it?
dalelo, whatever floats your small gourd, but don't forget that the saddleback presages the silken porcupine in its center. Ouch on that couch! Don't obfuscate with rancid rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer.
Realize your net precedent. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry prevalently. So there brown stare. Feed your inner walnut and resolve. Subject your lemon to the ingenious door in the presence of snow and animals. Aisle 7 is for the monetary cheese whiz. Faced with the kitchen, you may wish to prolong the sailboat in the cliff. Otherwise, rabbits may descend on your left nostril. Think about how you can stripe the sea. Regale the storm to those who (6) would thump the parrot with the armband. Corner the market on vestiges of the apparent closure but seek not the evidential circumstance. Therein you can find indignant mountains of pigs and apples. Descend eloquently as you debate the ceiling of your warning fulcrum. Vacate the corncob profusely and and don’t dote on the pancreas.
Next up, control your wood. Have at the cat with your watch on the fore. Aft! Smarties (12)! Rome wasn’t kevetched in an autumn nightie. (42) See yourself for the turntable on the escalator. Really peruse the garage spider definitely again again with brown. Now we have an apparent congestion, so be it here. Just a moment is not a pod of beef for the ink well nor can it be (4) said that Karen was there in the millpond.Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so. Go, go, go until the vacuum meets the upward vacation. Sell the yellow. Then trim the bus before the ten cheese please Louise. Segregate from the koan and stew the ship vigorously.
And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.
It's always a good day when Jill makes an appearance.
Awesome post Jill.
on the 9th of AV , gregorian calendar, israel sent 10 spies out to view the promised land. they brought back a bad report and despised what they saw. This date ended up being cursed
Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the temple on the 9th of AV
600 years later rome destroyed the temple on the 9th of AV
Jews were kicked out of england on the 9th of AV 1290
Jews kicked out of spain ln the 9th of AV 1492
WW1 started on the 9th of AV
Hitlers proclomation to kill the jews was on the 9th of AV
the last two years that there were 4 consecutive blood moons in a row, were 1949 and 1967, Israel reinstated and the 6 years war, and the next is in 2014- 15 4 consecutive blood moons, one on the passover, and this same year is a sabbatical year. the blood moon is associated with the return of Christ. this is the last time that will happen this century.
There are only 365 days in a year. You can take any one particular day and make a historical list of negative things that happened on any of them.
Please do yourself a favor and look up "confirmation bias".
i think if you are not scientifically statistically motivated by this post, you dont want to know. ok buddy. thats your problem.
Well don't just insinuate, dale. If you believe these numbers to be statistically significant, then do tell us what you think it is significant of.
What do we have here nutsadamus?
or maybe he works with that dingbat Lorraine.
how many times did the temple get destroyed? in all the major events of Israel being defeated and booted or subjugated in Jerusalem, how many of them corresponded with the 9th of AV and what are the probabliltiy that this would happen, also the blood moon being involved with Israel and 49 and 67, it is "wierd" if you are slow.
More deflection and innuendo. Spit it out, man. What, in your opinion, makes these numbers statistically significant ?
You were right, mama k . An amateur Nasaldumba$s.
we're not gullible. ungulliblitize us. give it a shot.
no they arent, i dont know what that means. i plagarized this post.
What was that Lorraine kept talking about – the book of names or something like that from the OT (even though she didn't recognize the OT as the OT, that it just had clues in it as well as the NT had clues, but she also refuted Christianity – she only followed YHWY).
oh it was the book of remembrance:
“The Book of Remembrance is written in God’s Presence for those who Love the Lord and who meditate on “The Name”.
And she quoted from Isaiah quite a bit.
here's a web site:
I still don't understand what this is or how many followers they have.
I think you have too many chromosomes...speaking "scientifically statistically"
mama, i dont know about that book there it sounds like she is a kaballah type of mystic/ who knows what.
cheesymakes....................are you missing half of one those?
i posted up top on accident. about the statistics that i am presently equating on my eccel spreadsheet.. hahah.
More frightening than a day on which some events occurred over the span of thousand sof years, more frightening than end times, dale has a spreadsheet tracking these events and has some how added up the columns to spell "disaster". Bring in the butterfly nets.
@Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son "It's not a "child." The term is "fetus" until it's born. Look it up, honey."
=>actually, you are 100% incorrect..
the term "fetus" refers to a stage in the development of a human:
STAGES OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
2. Zygote (first through third day).
3. Blastocyst (second day through second week)
4. Embryo (third through eighth week)
5. Fetus (9th week until birth)
6. Infant (birth until one year)
7. Child (ages 1 year to 12 years)
so, according to medical science, a human life begins at conception :-)
According to morons, those terms don't exist and are all simply replaced with "unborn child."
sthick loves killin'.
It figures that Chad would post this outside the discussion where the replies/rebuttals to Tom were in response to Tom's mention of a viable fetus – Tom was already discussing a particular stage of pregnancy. Typical Chad.
Chad is a liar. It's what he is. That's why his tactics and words are dishonest most of the time.
Chad are you a creationist ?
Chad-That was another fantastic post!
Shame on women who feel threatened by a fetus.We need more courageous women in this world!
people that feel killing unborn children is a good thing must first depersonalize him/her. Hitler did the same thing with the Jews.
that's why the insistence on a non-human sounding term...
"Shame on women who feel threatened by a fetus.We need more courageous women in this world!"
It takes courage to kill your own offspring? You're a big fan of Marybeth Tinning and Susan Smith? Admire them for their "courage"?
Shame on women who feel threatened by the unborn.
We need more courageous women and men that can stand up for the unborn! :)
The horror, the horror, the sheer insanity.
The word inanity would work as well for chad's posts.
We choose to provide legal protections to humans that are graded or staged in relation to development. Why is that surprising, Chad? You appeal for special protections for humans in all stages of development that only you and a minority agree with. That means you've lost that appeal. Why is that surprising?
It takes courage to make a choice that is best for you, your family and possibly even the fetus itself, if it is damaged beyond repair, in the face of judgmental people who are not affected in any way by that choice.
What is cowardly is the posturing of politicians, priests and busybodies like yourself, chad, when you try to tell women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. You will not have to deal with the consequences of bearing an unwanted child. Unless you advocate affordable and available birth control, affordable and available prenatal, pediatric and general health care, and finally financial and social support for those pregnant girls and women if they cannot provide it for themselves, then you might as well be performing those abortions yourself. And when you force a woman to bear the child of a man that raped her, you might as well have raped her yourself.
why are legal rights for humans ever up for debate?
Arent all men created equal?
Chad is still rebelling against his parents for making him take down the Teen Beat posters of Bieber hanging in his bedroom.
And the legal definition of human is....? Please explain why you do not accept the common definition of what a child is?
All abortions are justified because of rape/ incest? Trying to make a rule out of exceptions. ?
Where is your responsibility??? If you know you can't afford to raise a child how about some discretion when you are having sex and save a life?
Accidental pregnancies happen, Cosmos, and every one has it's own story. It's very easy for people like you to deal in the hypothetical. But a woman who finds herself unexpectedly pregnant has to deal in reality.
She is the only one who knows what is going on in her life. She is the one whose health is compromised. She is the one who deals with the financial and psychological reality. And she is the only one qualified to decide what she does with her own body.
Should you find yourself pregnant, you can make your own choice. But you don't get to decide for anyone else. It's none of your business.
Where the hell did Chad obtain his "1-7" list that started this thread? Must be from a fundie website, because it certainly displays misunderstanding of human prenatal development.
common definition of a child?
Chardly you jest.
Answer the question- where is your responsibility?
Your responsibility doesn't begin with abortion, get it?
Yes, cosmo, I do get it. But as I said before, accidental pregnancy happens. Anyway, you don't get to decide what a woman does with her own body, even if you do want to punish her for being "irresponsible."
The simpletons of the cosmos think they have the answers. Answers born from unfounded mythological precepts.
What is your main objection to the right of women to choose for or against abortion? Your key objection? What makes you take this stand/
"a human life begins at conception "
why cannot this conception therefore choose life utilizing the 'free will' bestowed upon it by god ?
"Aren't all men (I think Chad means all humans) created equal?" No. No one is created, except perhaps in the sense that a weather system creates a cyclone (Chad will understand). We are not all equal: a fetus is endowed with the rights it has by people who, unlike the fetus, are able to formulate ethical concepts and endow things with rights. Those who can endow things with rights are in a position that is unequal to that of things that can only be the recipients of such rights.
why are some humans unequal to other humans?
I thought we got rid of that concept..
Nope. Still a useful concept. For example, when weighing the rights of women over those (if any) of fetuses.
@Reallly-O? "Where the hell did Chad obtain his "1-7" list that started this thread? Must be from a fundie website, because it certainly displays misunderstanding of human prenatal development."
=>you didnt bother looking anything up.. you took a shot in the dark.. you were wrong..add it to the list..
why do you continually do that?
how in the world do you rationalize seemingly NEVER checking a single fact prior to accusing someone of getting something wrong.
"Still a useful concept"
ah, well, sure, if your use is racism or filicide, or genocide..
How in the world did we get here?? Oh yeah, that's right – Chad misrepresented Tom's reply is his mis-placed "new post". Typical.
What's revealing is how absolutely incensed Chard is when it comes to the rights of fetuses but couldn't care less about the rights of women.
Too bad for him. My heart bleeds.
Don't worry 'bout that blood. What's up with your spirit?
I've noticed the misogynist trend among certain christians. They like to claim that they are "saving" us from ourselves, but frankly, they're just losers who can't tolerate that thought that women have the same rights as men.
t13, commies in china kill baby girls.
Wow, 'lol'. Thank you for your shiny non sequitur. Perhaps next time you can stay on topic.
Chad continues to insist that abortion is "illegal" after ~20 weeks. He is wrong. It is not illegal ANYWHERE in the US if the woman's life or health are in jeopardy. These are not "exceptions", as the Chard pretends.
Furthermore, Chard continues to yammer about late-term abortions because it's his only hope of convincing anyone that his cause is just. It's a straw man. Over 90% of abortions occur in the first trimester.
Chard would be comic if he weren't such a sad case of mental impairment.
Oh, well. Women will continue to do what they must no matter what the Vegetable thinks. Just as they always have.
Vegetables? Like in the original garden? Maybe even Cain's garden.
Chard has a real problem with control. His real issue with abortion, common among weak, impotent men, is that they don't have any standing when it comes to a woman's pregnancy. It just gripes their sad little asses. They can't stand it that they don't get to tell a woman what to do and how to live.
It isn't the fetus they care about, it's their own inflated ego.
Sorry, daughter, stop killin' please. LIFE is better than Death. Death loses.
I've noticed this. Autonomous women seem to frighten some christians. What a bunch of wimps.
God the mudder wants to know who's da best.
Personally, I'm shorting the bible and Christianity. Numbers are down in most markets, the decline is steepening, and the story doesn't hold up to examination. Doesn't deliver the goods either, and has a history of never delivering. Another Enron shell game on an even bigger scale. Wouldn't want any stock in it at all, myself.
2014 is also a sabbatical year
yeah, and it's also a year, too. Who'd a thunk that.
the last two times there were 4 consecutive blood moons in the gregorian c alendar was 1948, and 1967. israel reinstated itself in 48, and 6 days war in 67. the next time that happens is 2014-15 blood moon associated with Christs return.
Oh goody another doomed prophacy from a religious friutcake.
1948, spirit came out of da pit?
well – go play those numbers on the Powerball. Then they'll mean something: either a loss or some level of Charlie Sheen.
What is a blood moon? According to NASA, a blood moon is a colloquialism for the hunter's moon, or the first full moon after the harvest moon. That means there's a blood moon every year.
Do you have another definition for a blood moon?
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