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February 7th, 2013
11:17 PM ET

What happened to God in America?

CNN's Carol Costello reports on the growing number of Americans who don't believe in God.

- A. Hawkins

Filed under: Atheism • United States

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  1. JesusLovesIgnorantAtheist

    Awww i feel sorry for the people like Reality, End Religion and HotairAce that only attack jesus why not Buddha or Jahova? I know Santa Claus isnt real so why dedicate my life explaining that he isnt. The ones who dont believe are my entertainment no need to explain to them we will all find out the truth when we are dead and gone i just want to spend eternal life with the Almighty the one you Atheist say isnt real lol Get a life and stop following #BillMaher

    February 8, 2013 at 5:40 am |
    • End Religion

      Your god and miracle jesus never existed.

      February 8, 2013 at 5:44 am |
    • lol??

      ER is sooo ProDeath. Kill da Christians! Take their stuff! The Nazis had their warmup drill for da wurld. It takes care of the "debt problem".

      February 8, 2013 at 5:56 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      Santa Claus isn't telling people who they can or can't marry, what a woman is allowed to do with her womb and fighting to get evolution muddied with Intelligent Design baloney. I don't care what you believe. I do care when you try to make your beliefs apply to everyone else.

      February 8, 2013 at 6:03 am |
    • sam stone

      buddhists are not the ones pushing their beliefs on these forums

      February 8, 2013 at 6:17 am |
    • lol??

      Dude, your gubmint god be in charge of marriage. AND everything else!

      February 8, 2013 at 6:20 am |
    • lol??

      And stevie, if aristotle "believed in evolution", by now one would think there'd be a few laws of evolution. What's takin' so long? Ain't it coming?

      February 8, 2013 at 6:23 am |
    • John

      Atheists get upset when a theist says that God did whatever he wanted, when ever he wanted to. But then they turn right around and claim the same thing about their god "evolution" and say it's OK, because they claim it's OK to hand credit to their god for what God did... just because.

      February 8, 2013 at 6:38 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      @lol??

      Shows what you know...or more like what you don't know.
      The Theory of Evolution is comprised of no less than 5 laws.
      But thanks for playing.

      February 8, 2013 at 7:14 am |
    • sam stone

      john: and christians claim that the possibility of a creator in and of itself PROVES that the god of the bible is true

      February 8, 2013 at 7:23 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      lol?? says gov't is a god. John says evolution is a god. Boy you guys sure have lowered the bar for what qualifies as a god.

      Here I was thinking that to be a god required supernatural powers. You know like Zeus or Odin or Ra or Jesus.
      But now I guess a bunch of men in politics can be considered a god...who knew?
      Or a scientific model of adaptation to environmentall change and mutation is a god...really?
      Wow!!! Gods are a lot less mytsterious than I thought they were. Go figure.

      February 8, 2013 at 7:24 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Wait a minute Steve, they think Bill Maher is our god...they get to set the definition of the word but if we do it, they cry foul....silly christards and sadly not enough lions.

      February 8, 2013 at 7:32 am |
    • John

      I think what lol?? is possibly saying is that the gov is saying which god can be handed credit for creation, and limiting to just "evolution" as the acceptable god. I don't agree with evolution as creating anything, because it never said anything, and from what I can tell, the claim is that evolution is making what ever it wants when ever it wants to... which is what God did, does, and will do long after we're gone. And honestly, if God said he was going to clothe the sun with braided magnetic loops, I wouldn't argue with him in laying claim to doing such. It's his creation after all... no arguement here.

      February 8, 2013 at 7:42 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      Bill Maher is a comedian. Someone who makes a career out of recognizing the ridiculous and ridiculing it. Given the vast amount of material available for ridicule within religions it's no wonder that a lot of comedians target those topics. Seth Macfarlane, Penn and Teller, the Mythbusters, the late great George Carlin.(when it wasn't fashionable, even a bit taboo to challenge religion)..the list goes on and on with more new ones being added constantly. Expect this trend to continue.

      February 8, 2013 at 7:49 am |
    • Reality

      Putting the kibosh/”google” on all religion in less than ten seconds: Priceless !!!

      • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

      • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

      • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

      • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

      • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

      • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

      • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated/reborn Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

      Added details available upon written request.

      A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

      e.g. Taoism

      "The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

      Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother's womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. "

      February 8, 2013 at 7:49 am |
    • John

      There have been reports of the exact opposite of evolution occurring, but that's claimed to be "proof" that evolution is active. The reality is , God does what ever he wants when ever he wants to do it, and atheists and skeptics take his work, and claim another god they're trying to create called "evolution" is doing what God does... claiming evolution does what ever it wants when ever it wants to. So in effect, they are taking credit from God, and handing it to their god called "evolution".... just because.

      February 8, 2013 at 7:52 am |
    • HotAirAce

      The government, the Supreme Court actually, you know, the one made up of christians and jews but no atheists, said one religion could not be taught to the exclusion of others, and they said ID is not science, just religious creationism in disguise, so cannot be taught as science.

      February 8, 2013 at 7:55 am |
    • captain america

      Is that the supreme court of canada you are referencing. You have no voice before our supreme court as you are not one of US but you sure do like to play pretend American don't you. There's your sign

      February 8, 2013 at 7:57 am |
    • HotAirAce

      There have been reports. . . Please be a little more specific. What reports and where can we find them? Else we will put your assertions in the same bin as yet to be substantiated reports of some god and the jesus myth – the garbage bin.

      February 8, 2013 at 8:00 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Sorry, I forgot you, and unfortunately too many Americans, cannot read very well and follow a conversation. That would be the Supreme Court of the USA, a remarkably efficient body at keeping Americas's religious crazies in check, despite being 100% comprised of potential religious crazies.

      February 8, 2013 at 8:06 am |
    • Primewonk

      "only attack jesus why not Buddha or Jahova?"

      Simple. Adherents of those religions are not trying to force their myths into my secular laws and my secular schools. It is you ignorant fundiot nutters who do this.

      February 8, 2013 at 8:07 am |
    • John

      How many do you need? I'm going to first say here and now, God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, you definately have both a sense of humor, intelligence beyond my comprehention, and patience... with that, exploding termites a great example. By blowing themselves up, they I guess propagate better... what a mess. Or bees, one queen and the rest males... any other females are killed... when evolution says they should produce more offspring... they're killed.... the exact opposite of evolution's "law".

      How many do you need?

      February 8, 2013 at 8:10 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      John says: "from what I can tell, the claim is that evolution is making what ever it wants when ever it wants to... "

      Dude...from what I can tell, you aren't qualified to comment on what you obviously have no idea about. Your ignorance is showing. You want to be taken seriously in your critique of science or evolution then learn something about what you're arguing against. Otherwise you just come of looking like an idiot.

      Evolution doesn't progress with a purpose or intent. Whatever is best adapted to changes in the environment survives to pass on its genes. The rest go extinct and whatever uniqueness those individuals had die with them. 99% of everything that ever lived is extinct so evolution clearly has a high failure rate. Not exactly a process that has a goal in mind now is it? Random hit and miss with only the hits coming out on top. Fortunately this is going on all the time with every individual in every species. Diversity always becoming more diverse until every niche is occupied by something.

      Or just open a Bible and repeat Goddidit over and over like all the other sheep.

      February 8, 2013 at 8:13 am |
    • Primewonk

      John wrote, "There have been reports of the exact opposite of evolution occurring, but that's claimed to be "proof" that evolution is active. The reality is , God does what ever he wants when ever he wants to do it, and atheists and skeptics take his work, and claim another god they're trying to create called "evolution" is doing what God does... claiming evolution does what ever it wants when ever it wants to. So in effect, they are taking credit from God, and handing it to their god called "evolution".... just because."

      John, I have a fair grasp of science. I read Science every week. I read Nature and PNAS. Why have I never seen these reports? What journals are published in? Who did the research?

      February 8, 2013 at 8:17 am |
    • HotAirAce

      John,I can trivially find papers about exploding termites and how this behaviour benefits termites. I can't find your scholarly, peer reviewed rebuttal – please provide a reference, or grasp at the next ID/creationist straw.

      February 8, 2013 at 8:27 am |
    • John

      PW, you probably saw it above, but if not: exploding termites, queen bee rather than multiple females (they intentionally kill all the others), the female spider that eats the male spider afterwards.... the list is huge and quite an embarassment for all the evolutionists making laws that contradict each other along the way... sharks eating sharks...

      February 8, 2013 at 8:28 am |
    • midwest rail

      Excellent job dodging PW's question, John. Just what one would expect from an apologist.

      February 8, 2013 at 8:30 am |
    • Primewonk

      Um, John? Perhaps you don't understand. I want the citations to the peer-reviewed scientific resesrch, published in scientific refereed journals that support what you claim.

      I don't give a flying fuck what "Pastor Dave" has told you. I don't give a flying fuck what religious idiocy you believe. If you come on here spewing inane drivel and lies, you better have the balls to back up what you claim.

      February 8, 2013 at 9:22 am |
    • lol??

      "AtheistSteve sayz,
      @lol??

      .....The Theory of Evolution is comprised of no less than 5 laws." OK, you science types, list em. Don't be fwaidy cats.

      February 8, 2013 at 11:27 am |
    • lol??

      You science types wouldn't want to be hypo critics? The wonkster sayz, "........you better have the balls to back up what you claim."

      February 8, 2013 at 11:33 am |
    • lol??

      hotairACE sayz, "...........we will put your assertions in the same bin as yet to be substantiated reports......." There's that "wegod" again. She's POPular.

      February 8, 2013 at 11:56 am |
    • Exploding Termites

      It may be a little late but I would like to just point out that we don't willingly explode. We are simply very sensitive to religious bullshit. If any of that incendiary stuff gets anywhere near us it is game over. And although I can't site any studies on behalf of sharks, those guys are assholes - they'll eat anyone.

      February 8, 2013 at 7:37 pm |
    • John

      From what I can tell, here are the 5 laws of evolution:

      1. Evolution doesn't plan anything, even if it looks like it was planned by God
      2. The answer is: "evolution did it" even when it looks like God did it and matches what he said about it
      3. Evolution works through passing on genes optimally, and not passing on genes at all while killing yourself
      4. Evolution requires male and female with lots of offspring, and killing males or females before offspring occurs
      5. There are really no rules, because " " is doing what ever " " wants when ever " " wants to do it... God can't be in the blanks.

      February 9, 2013 at 9:39 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      John, it's quite rare to read gibberish that approaches the heights yours has reached, even on this sorry-azz blog.

      February 9, 2013 at 9:41 am |
    • John

      Tom, I don't see any denial about the 5 laws posted.

      When all is said and done, God knew it from start to finish, and he will ask you why, he knows your answer, and what you thought about it while it was ongoing. When he asked you to do things for him, you decided it was better to work against him.

      February 9, 2013 at 10:12 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      John, why is any "denial" needed for simple-minded idiocy like yours?

      February 9, 2013 at 10:13 am |
    • Bob

      John, part of what I think Tom Tom is getting at, and that you are missing, is that evolution has no need for an active agent to do "planning" or to put "laws" in place. That is a key point that you just don't get, so far, and that I think your delusion is blocking.

      Much of your argument such as I've seen, for your sky fairy (and I really think that is an appropriate term for your obviously fictional deity with all the self-contradictory tales about it in the bible), really seems to consist of a combination of willed ignorance and arguments from ignorance. Not a great starting point. Since your arguments don't stand up to basic examination in a skeptical light, you probably should give your premises such as the need for a creator a serious revision.

      February 9, 2013 at 10:28 am |
    • John

      Tom, those silly laws are presented by science. If you agree with them, and see how silly they are, then why don't you believe God?

      Every head of science declares blasphemy against God, even the mixes of those heads declare blasphemy against God, by taking him out of the discussion of his creation... just because they don't want to know him, or want to do what he said to do. They take credit for what God did, and give it to their god called "nothing", hoping that God won't notice. God knows exactly what's going on, and knew it to the day, thousands of years ago. Time is ticking away...

      February 9, 2013 at 10:42 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      John, you're just plain ignorant. Go back to school and study science. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

      And it's "DEFINITELY," ya bonehead, not "DEFINATELY."

      February 9, 2013 at 10:44 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      From http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Charles-Darwin-Theory-Evolution.htm:

      To summarise Darwin's Theory of Evolution;
      1. Variation: There is Variation in Every Population.
      2. Compet!tion: Organisms Compete for limited resources.
      3. Offspring: Organisms produce more Offspring than can survive.
      4. Genetics: Organisms pass Genetic traits on to their offspring.
      5. Natural Selection: Those organisms with the Most Beneficial Traits
      are more likely to Survive and Reproduce.

      February 9, 2013 at 10:46 am |
    • John

      1. Variation: There is Variation in Every Population.

      Bees, have only one queen, this fails the variation law

      2. Compet!tion: Organisms Compete for limited resources.

      Bees, there are more than enough males for multiple females, but they're killed

      3. Offspring: Organisms produce more Offspring than can survive.

      Bees, if the queen dies, no offspring occur and hive dies, again, evolution failed to use more available females

      4. Genetics: Organisms pass Genetic traits on to their offspring.

      Exploding termites do not

      5. Natural Selection: Those organisms with the Most Beneficial Traits
      are more likely to Survive and Reproduce.

      Bees, the most beneficial trait is to have more females... not kill them.

      It looks to me like evolution isn't doing anything, but rather, God is doing what ever he wants to do while making his creation.

      February 9, 2013 at 11:00 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      You just don't understand bees, John. Go home and study bees.

      February 9, 2013 at 11:01 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You're not only stupid, John, but you like being that way. Grow up. Your arguments aren't even close to having validity. The fact that you don't see this is evidence that your god either didn't give you a working brain or that you're too lazy to use it.

      February 9, 2013 at 11:02 am |
    • Bob

      John, part of what I think Tom Tom is getting at, and that you are missing, is that evolution has no need for an active agent to do "planning" or to put "laws" in place. That really is a key point that you just don't get, so far, and that I think your delusion is blocking.

      Much of your argument such as I've seen, for your sky fairy (and I really think that is an appropriate term for your obviously fictional deity with all the self-contradictory tales about it in the bible), really seems to consist of a combination of willed ignorance and arguments from ignorance. Not a great starting point. Since your arguments don't stand up to basic examination in a skeptical light, you probably should give your premises such as the need for a creator a serious revision.

      February 9, 2013 at 11:08 am |
    • Bob

      John, present your example(s) of "the exact opposite of evolution occuring". I think you already know that they do not stand up as such. Even your wording is hedging that way. You are a slippery eel, very typical of your ilk, but we have reality salt for dealing with you.

      February 9, 2013 at 11:12 am |
    • HotAirAce

      John apparently thinks that elder termites, the ones dong the exploding, do not pass on genetic traits before they explode. I wonder how he thinks traits are passed on and where he thinks babies come from – if mommy and daddy live to some unspecified age, a baby magically appears in the nearest cabbage patch?

      And of course, he has repeatedly ignored my requests to provide an alternative explanation for why there are exploding termites.

      February 9, 2013 at 11:19 am |
  2. lol??

    No debts, no sin, no evil, no god. Science sayz so. Loooooks like a seared CONscience to me.

    February 8, 2013 at 4:43 am |
    • sam stone

      it's not science that says so. common sense says so.

      people have to be convinced they have disease before someone can push the cure

      February 8, 2013 at 5:18 am |
    • lol??

      Common, uh common, hhhhmmmm, oh yeah! Commie mommie sayz so, too! Must be a sociable thang.

      February 8, 2013 at 6:01 am |
    • sam stone

      insightful comeback, lol??

      February 8, 2013 at 6:18 am |
    • lol??

      well sam, if you prefer to think like an XX.............You won't use your Y to its fullest.

      February 8, 2013 at 6:34 am |
    • sam stone

      all you do, lol?? is to blather on like a mouthy little VeeJayJay troll.

      February 8, 2013 at 7:25 am |
    • Fact

      Trolls have neither VeeJayJay's or Peneenis, they are neutered eunichs which is why they must take out their frustration on the rest of the world.

      February 8, 2013 at 1:30 pm |
  3. lol??

    Debts are not owed by the sociopathic pwogwessives. That payment will be paid by da neighbors. Cool luv for partyin'!

    February 8, 2013 at 4:40 am |
  4. lol??

    Gonna make da neighbors and your offspring pay da debts, that is, the ones you let live?

    February 8, 2013 at 4:36 am |
  5. lol??

    Tihtle:"What happened to God in America?"...............He has been supplanted by da gubmint god. The mob luvs poverty and death.

    February 8, 2013 at 4:32 am |
  6. Clyde Cadiddlehopper

    Whenever I hear religious people talk about what they believe, I always find myself amazed at how crazy they are. They are dead certain they are right but they have absolutely no evidence. They are clearly inventing parts of it as they go because it contradicts the bible/quran/etc. They easily see the falsehood of other religion but cannot see that theirs is exactly the same. They block out absolutely all outside evidence and only accept one flawed text for all knowledge. And members of the same freaking religion cannot agree what they are supposed to do and believe, and how god behaves.

    They are freaking crazy, and they are certain that the sane people are really the nutters.

    February 8, 2013 at 4:01 am |
    • John

      Clyde, person "A" walks up to you and says Jesus healed a number of people, and some bread and fish appeared more than they started with after people ate, and Jesus was killed, then raised again from the dead. Person "B" says that the entire universe including all the galaxies, solar systems, planets, etc... including your matter too... all was created by "nothing" in short order and never again, just because. Who is more believable, person A claiming Jesus did a few miracles requireing very little relative energy from a vast creator God, or person B that claims "nothing" knew what to do to make all the matter in existence all at once.... and never again. I already know God is there and everything the apostles and prophets in the bible said, all of it is normal compared to what I'm told I have to believe about "nothing" doing everything all at once, and never again.

      February 8, 2013 at 4:29 am |
    • sam stone

      john: to me, B is much more believable

      February 8, 2013 at 5:22 am |
    • sam stone

      john: what is more believable....a fat guy in a sleigh being pulled by a bunch or reindeer delivering toys to all the good girls and boys on christmas, or parents buying the toys for their children?

      and, why does a creator have to imply a "god"? it seems is if people are saying "something triggered everything, therefore Jesus died for your sins". it is a non-sequitor

      February 8, 2013 at 5:28 am |
    • Christianity is a form of SEVERE mental illness

      "They easily see the falsehood of other religion but cannot see that theirs is exactly the same. They block out absolutely all outside evidence and only accept one flawed text for all knowledge."
      .
      The flaw in religion

      February 8, 2013 at 11:15 am |
    • Ginny

      John, there's just this teensy weensy little issue with your religious beliefs. That little lack of even a shred of evidence thingy. That elephant in the room. Oh, just go in ignoring it until it goes poop...

      February 8, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
    • John

      Ginny, God has proven himself to me so many times I lost count. His words prove him. I could be like most skeptics and deny everything but my own existence, but that would be silly.

      February 9, 2013 at 8:35 am |
  7. Cheese-Us of Nazareth

    What's happening is that we are struggling to catch up with rest of the industrialized world on the "don't need imaginary friends" thing. We are running way behind.

    Fortunately the Chads and Tophers of the world keep shouting their beliefs, recruiting atheists through repulsion. We just have to keep them talking, and those with functioning bullshit detectors will inevitably say "Wait a minute! Religious people don't make a damn bit of sense!"

    February 8, 2013 at 3:43 am |
    • Maybe

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy the fundies strategy

      February 8, 2013 at 4:01 am |
    • Cheese-Us of Nazareth

      That's more of a "Self-Wedgie Strategy" than a "Wedge Strategy."

      February 8, 2013 at 4:15 am |
    • Maybe

      big wedgie and the fundies try hard . Need to expose it for what it is BS...

      February 8, 2013 at 4:31 am |
    • Science

      This is what the wedge strategy is trying to discredit, evolution.

      News Release Jan 30 2013

      3-D structure of the evolved enzyme (an RNA ligase), using 10 overlaid snapshots. In the top region, the overlays show the range of bending and folding flexibility in the amino acid chain that forms the molecule. The two gray balls are zinc ions. (University of Minnesota)

      University of Minnesota researchers unveil first artificial enzyme created by evolution in a test tube

      Going forward, Seelig plans to create enzymes with useful applications while he continues to explore the underlying basic science of enzyme structure and function, aiming to learn more about the origin of enzymes and how proteins evolve.

      "Enzymes have always fascinated me," he says. "It’s rewarding to do work that has practical applications yet provides the opportunity to better understand how life on earth evolved."

      http://www1.umn.edu/news/news-releases/2013/UR_CONTENT_429344.html

      February 8, 2013 at 5:24 am |
  8. Domine

    Someday, we could have an atheist President.

    February 8, 2013 at 2:58 am |
  9. me

    There is not enough evil in the world to have need of a god, we might take a litter longer then a god to get it right, just not as fast as a god. Then again you never know, we might even make it first. Life is short carry only what you need, peace.

    Lucid One

    February 8, 2013 at 12:54 am |
  10. donner

    As information becomes readily available to everyone on earth, the belief in God, whichever one that is, will steadily decline. Why do you think the Chinese and Muslims are fighting to keep the internet out of their people's hands?

    February 8, 2013 at 12:31 am |
    • Ron

      The light of knowledge shines in an increasing number of corners. Soon, God will have no more places where he could be hiding.

      February 8, 2013 at 12:42 am |
    • Ron

      The candle flame gutters. Its little pool of light trembles. Darkness gathers. The demons begin to stir. Carl Sagan

      February 8, 2013 at 1:00 am |
    • Poltergeist

      Chinas majority is Athiest. It's state has no recognized religion. Yet, they still promote ignorance.

      February 8, 2013 at 1:10 am |
    • Bet

      Religion and governments have kept people uneducated, or at least in the dark about the outside world, as a means of controlling them throughout history. Nothing new there.

      February 8, 2013 at 1:45 am |
    • Dippy

      Poltergeist
      You're functionally illiterate
      It's China's, not Chinas.
      It's atheist, not Athiest.
      It's it's, not its.
      China is not a state.
      Shit, you're dumb. Go back to school. And stay awake this time!

      February 8, 2013 at 2:56 am |
    • mama k

      You know someone's really illiterate when the corrections list is larger than the original content.

      February 8, 2013 at 3:01 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Ummmm, there's more than one definition for "state" – just ask Hillary.

      February 8, 2013 at 7:27 am |
    • captain america

      How many states are there in canada, and where does Hillary live. Try minding your own business and leaving ours to US. There's your sign.

      February 8, 2013 at 7:31 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      CA: Finally bought the rights to CNN? Oh right, you didn't, so please STFU.

      February 8, 2013 at 7:36 am |
    • HotAirAce

      CA: One. New York, Washington, DC and/or Arkansas? Fuck Off!

      February 8, 2013 at 7:41 am |
    • Poltergeist

      @dippy

      I used state correctly. Please get a dictionary.

      February 8, 2013 at 8:53 am |
    • Dippy

      No, you didn't. China is a country.

      February 8, 2013 at 8:02 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Dippy's right. Poltergeist is a moron.

      February 8, 2013 at 8:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      The fvcktard didn't even know how to spell his own moniker until I told him.

      February 8, 2013 at 8:08 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      His stupidity is only eclipsed by that of captain azzhole.

      February 8, 2013 at 8:10 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Definition of STATE

      1 a : mode or condition of being
      b (1) : condition of mind or temperament (2) : a condition of abnormal tension or excitement

      2 a : a condition or stage in the physical being of something
      b : any of various conditions characterized by definite quant!ties (as of energy, angular momentum, or magnetic moment) in which an atomic system may exist

      3 a : social position; especially : high rank
      b (1) : elaborate or luxurious style of living (2) : formal dignity : pomp —usually used with in

      4 a : a body of persons const!tuting a special class in a society : estate 3
      b plural : the members or representatives of the governing classes assembled in a legislative body
      c obsolete : a person of high rank (as a noble)

      5 a : a politically organized body of people usually occupying a definite territory; especially : one that is sovereign
      b : the political organization of such a body of people
      c : a government or politically organized society having a particular character

      6 : the operations or concerns of the government of a country

      7 a : one of the consti!tuent units of a nation having a federal government
      b plural capitalized : The United States of America

      8 : the territory of a state
      See state defined for English-language learners »
      See state defined for kids »

      Examples of STATE

      Happiness is the state or condition of being happy.
      We must keep our armed forces in a constant state of readiness.
      She meditates to achieve a higher state of being.
      The building is in such a sorry state that it's hardly worth fixing.
      water in a gaseous state
      the solid and liquid states
      the member states of the United Nations Security Council

      February 9, 2013 at 2:46 am |
  11. Nothing

    The road to heaven is narrow and there are few that will find it.......The road to hell is wide and many will take that road because of their unbelief......The spirt of the anti christ has sweep into america judgement is not far behind.........Reality

    February 8, 2013 at 12:27 am |
    • John

      It's interesting that God knows what I'm typing right now, and knew it before I typed it. So I will say Hi to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and thank you for sending Jesus to die for our sins. He knows the plan, and we can read about it, and tell others.

      February 8, 2013 at 12:44 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Neither of you has any evidence to support your claims. You are delusional, mentally ill, in need of medical help.

      February 8, 2013 at 12:46 am |
    • John

      The NT account during Jesus's time actually ties up a lot of loose ends for that era. He had 12 witnesses with him then, and their accounts of what happened and when, aligns well with history. Herod Archelaus, one of the sons of Herod the Great, was ruling where Jesus was to be born at the time. The registration was needed due to all the killing that preceeded it after Herod the Great's death, and the three regions the Herods ruled in Judea. When Herod Archelaus was banished, the angel told Joseph to go back, that Archelaus was finished (translations say "dead" but the word is finished), he was banished in 6AD and Joseph going back, they could be registered then, and Jesus could show up at the temple... just as the account said he did. Without their accounts, history is lacking the details that answer the questions of that time. The account is accurate, and God exists.

      February 8, 2013 at 1:06 am |
    • HotAirAce

      There are no first hand eye witness accounts of jesus. There is no evidence for any god. There are only unsupported myths. Go ahead – prove me wrong.

      February 8, 2013 at 1:12 am |
    • End Religion

      There isn't the tiniest scintilla of empirical evidence for your god. There is not a single credible eyewitness, and if there was we understand that eyewitness testimony is not reliable among even the most level-headed folks, let alone religious zealots. There are parts of the bible even christian biblical scholars admit are likely fraudulent. It isn't hard to see the entire thing is a smaller scam to support the bigger scam. Your god never existed. Jesus, Moses, they're all folklore. Your religion is dying. Come to grips with it.

      February 8, 2013 at 1:13 am |
    • John

      All history is written after the fact. If you deny such, then you become the classic skeptic that hides in a hole hoping God isn't there. The fact is, the NT accounts do tie up loose ends, even saying Jesus and his family went to the temple multiple times after returning, before he was 12 years old, before 11AD... and Herod Archelaus was banished in 6AD.... Joseph being told by the angel to go back, that Archelaus was finished, and everyone in Israel that wanted Jesus dead, were themselves, dead.

      February 8, 2013 at 1:19 am |
    • End Religion

      John you're not listening. The book is a fraud. It's OK to stop referring to it. it contains as much truth as your average comic book.

      February 8, 2013 at 1:23 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Interesting. I am presently watching a PBS program called Catholicism and the charlatan priest said almost nothing is known about jesus for his first 30 years but you have him attending myth sharing sessions in his early years. Who should I believe? Make more sense to not believe any of the jesus myth.

      February 8, 2013 at 1:25 am |
    • fred

      HotAirAce
      You are the evidence. If there was no Christ why do you find the need to keep pounding nails in His feet and hands? Why do you find it necessary to mock and spit upon Christ if there is no Living God.? Do you have such obsessions with other nonexistent things?
      Stop giving believers a hard time because they are filled with the Goodness of God while you are filed with darkness based on a nonexistent invisible myth.

      February 8, 2013 at 1:45 am |
    • HotAirAce

      I have a low tolerance for bullsh!t and you crazies need to be watched and challenged, especially given the USA's apparent regression into religion.

      February 8, 2013 at 1:49 am |
    • fred

      HotAirAce
      I don't see you on the attack over any other imaginary forces. Something is eating at you. Life is to short be happy for those who need God and have found God. Be happy for those who do not realize there is a reason for existence and don't need God.
      But be happy and remove the source of any thought that takes away instead of gives life

      February 8, 2013 at 1:56 am |
    • HotAirAce

      What other imaginary forces? I disbelieve all alledged imaginary beings / forces equally.

      February 8, 2013 at 1:58 am |
    • tallulah13

      Fred, I accept that people have the right to believe whatever they want, but I will never be happy for people who chose the ignorance of religion instead of curiosity and the desire for real answers.

      February 8, 2013 at 2:02 am |
    • fred

      It is not normal to be a super hero fighting for cause of atheism to the extent you would doubt Jesus existed. I can understand you questioning his divinity but to suggest nonexistence of Jesus no one takes that serious. The most skeptic of scholars do not doubt there was Jesus who was a Jew and a rabble rouser cruxcifed by Pilate. There are zero that have voiced objection to the John the Baptist call that Christ was coming.
      It takes a storng force to twist a mind and force lip and hand movements to pound nails in a nonexistent Christ

      February 8, 2013 at 2:09 am |
    • Bet

      Stop giving believers a hard time because they are filled with the Goodness of God while you are filed with darkness based on a nonexistent invisible myth.

      I believe in no myths, and I'm certainly not filled with darkness. Not since I shook off the yoke of religiosity, anyway. There's nothing like realizing that you weren't born a bad person to make you feel free from guilt and glad to be alive. No god required.

      February 8, 2013 at 2:17 am |
    • fred

      tallulah13
      I think the majority of American Christians understand science. They also understand that without faith their belief is worthless. The majority of Christians also are kind and respect others and their beliefs.
      We (me in particular) do get off track on occasion when we venture from the simple commands Christ said we should follow.

      February 8, 2013 at 2:17 am |
    • Bet

      It takes a storng force to twist a mind and force lip and hand movements to pound nails in a nonexistent Christ

      When the believers in this nonexistent christ want to encode their beliefs in civil law and deny me the right make my own medical and reproductive decisions, or who my neighbor can marry, that's enough motivation to speak out.

      February 8, 2013 at 2:21 am |
    • mama k

      "It is not normal to be a super hero fighting for cause of atheism"

      fred – who are you talking to on this one? You're like some kind of Christian proselytizing wind-up zombie, just bumping into people with your BS.

      February 8, 2013 at 2:24 am |
    • fred

      Bet
      Great! I had a bout yesterday when I realized I lost that “fear of the Lord”. That dread the hero’s of the Old Testament had over their sin and guilt of sin. Then I realized I forgot Jesus took away that guilt.
      But, you are right it is easy to fall into that pit where you beat yourself up. I still need Christ and the forgiveness promised so I am hanging onto that. The reverse happened for me in that I feel a freedom and security knowing God loves me and works out everything for the best.

      February 8, 2013 at 2:24 am |
    • fred

      mama k
      That is because I do believe there are only two possibilities God or no God. If there is God then I am desparate to save anyone I can from evil. My "invisible force" pushes me in that direction. HotAirAce is pushed from the other direction.
      Are you suggesting one invisible force is more logical or real than another?

      February 8, 2013 at 2:28 am |
    • fred

      mama kl
      there is a difference between being helpful as you and tallulah13 often are in separating fact from fiction compared with an underlying agitation with fundies.

      February 8, 2013 at 2:30 am |
    • mama k

      You assume too much for me fred. I weigh more possibilities than your two.

      February 8, 2013 at 2:32 am |
    • mama k

      speaking of agitation with fundies, fred. perhaps you've seen the article regarding the Missouri Lutheran who is in hot water with his superiors. That generated some agitation for me, and obviously many other "Christians".

      February 8, 2013 at 2:37 am |
    • HotAirAce

      And while I do not believe there are any gods, I am not so arrogant as to say there absolutely are none as I do not have anywhere close to perfect knowledge of the entire universe. That being said, I see no reason to live as if there might be any gods, or to allow others' unfounded myths to have undue influence in modern society.

      February 8, 2013 at 2:38 am |
    • fred

      mama k
      Yep, I like that in your posts ! Have a good night, I need to hit the hey

      February 8, 2013 at 2:41 am |
    • Bet

      @fred

      Whatever floats your boat. Just keep your beliefs and your god out of the government, and off my body.

      February 8, 2013 at 2:42 am |
    • fred

      Mama k
      Yeah, I have been to several Lutheran churches and some even scare me. Not sure how these churches survive. I tried softening a few up but no way they run from me like I had the plague.

      February 8, 2013 at 2:45 am |
    • mama k

      I'm with you HAA. I've never been to one of those Unitarian Universalist churches, but I'm wondering if it could be helpful in these times when there is such a big divide. If atheists can participate there on project alongside of moderate Christians, then 1) some common missions/charitable work gets done and 2) I would have to think that people who attend these types of churches naturally become better peacemakers rather than dividers.

      February 8, 2013 at 2:47 am |
    • mama k

      and evidently atheists are welcome at some UU churches, so I'm sure agnostic atheists – probably even more so.

      February 8, 2013 at 2:49 am |
    • bobk52

      Reality isn't strong in you. Grasshopper!

      February 8, 2013 at 4:30 am |
    • Science

      @fred FACTS work best against the wedge strategy devoloped by religion to fight evolution.

      February 8, 2013 at 4:43 am |
    • sam stone

      nothing: what you describe is fantasy

      February 8, 2013 at 5:32 am |
    • fred

      Science
      When I realized I believed that George Washington chopped down that cherry tree until confronted with facts I paid a great deal more attention to facts. Fortunately there are no facts against God at the moment and there are no facts relative to an alternate reason for existence from the godless.
      Do you not think the Atheists have a wedge program world wide?
      They do have one on CNN

      February 8, 2013 at 3:24 pm |
    • Sue

      Fred, actually, the existence of the Christian god, with its typically claimed characteristics, is readily disproven. Which god do you believe in, and what are its 5 top characteristics that you can cite?

      February 8, 2013 at 3:26 pm |
    • fred

      Sue
      There is only one God who has revealed certain attributes through creation, the Bible and the Holy Spirit. The radiance of God was seen in full glory through a man called Jesus. 5 Key attributes: Eternal, self-existent, self-sustaining, omnipresent, omniscient.
      There are many more but none are of baryonic matter that are subject to observation and measurement which are themselves limited to that which they are created from.

      February 8, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
    • Sue

      Thanks for answering, Fred. So, let's see, before we go any further, is your god benevolent in nature, or evil, or simply disinterested? 'cause I think you already know where this is gonna go...

      February 8, 2013 at 3:41 pm |
    • Science

      fred is missing a fair amount of "baryonic matter" of his brain. It's another missing mass problem.

      February 8, 2013 at 3:44 pm |
    • fred

      Science
      Even Mass (missa) as practiced by Catholics has baryonic matter that can be observed and measured but that part where transformation of the matter occurs is not subject to mans scientific capacity to record or measure. A quark is easier to spot.

      February 8, 2013 at 3:50 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Translation of fred:

      "When nothing happens, something happened and it was magic that can't be confirmed. Therefore it's real".

      February 8, 2013 at 3:54 pm |
    • fred

      Sue
      Sue
      I am stalling because I am not sure how to confine or put boundaries of man onto transcendence. God simply is. Looking at the Glory of God on Jesus that would suffice as Jesus had boundaries identifiable with man.

      benevolent in nature –most certainly
      evil – no, Jesus was the spotless perfect sacrifice
      simply disinterested – gave up his life that we may live.

      I do like the disinterested notion as many of our founders ended up with that notion of God

      February 8, 2013 at 4:01 pm |
    • fred

      Sue
      God appears disinterested because His ways are not our ways. They cannot be our ways and it is surprising that God would even interact with creation. The best explanation or speculation as to why God would create is that is the very nature of eternal goodness. Without a creation God would still exist (be) but in an eternal void.

      I particularly like C.S Lewis perspective on an eternal God which he likens to a sheet of paper that extends infinitely in all directions and our time line of this universe is a small pencil line on that sheet. Within a speck on that pencil line what can we make of God? All we know is what God has revealed to us as and when we have capacity to comprehend it.

      Aside from what we can see through Jesus there is creation. Creation is bigger than we can comprehend with attributes of infinite regress and unknown depth, width and height. The unknown blows me away. A Sunrise a baby’s smile etc. and the miraculous awe Einstein noted in the universe all point towards infinite wonder. The human spirit that reaches highs and lows with love and evil all contained in fleeting moments of heart yet are timeless.

      February 8, 2013 at 4:36 pm |
    • Bob

      Personally, I have to laugh when fredso trots out the absurd Jesus "sacrifice" story. It's one of the funniest, most stupid aspects of the whole set of Christian fairy tales. The whole premise of Christianity that the death of the son of god would have been any kind of "sacrifice" and was required to deal with "sin" is utter nonsense.

      This is a supposed omnipotent being that we are discussing. Christians, think this through a bit: how come your 'omnipotent' creature couldn't do all that supposed saving without the loony son sacrifice bit? And for that matter, how was it a sacrifice at all, when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time it wants with less than a snap of its fingers? Pretty feeble god it is that you've made for yourself there. Give that some thought and maybe it will help you leave your delusions behind. You will remain a laughingstock otherwise, and the more you dwell in your silly delusion and ancient myths, instead of keeping up with advances in medicine and technology, the more America slips downward relative to the rest of the world in science and other fields.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
      Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      February 8, 2013 at 4:41 pm |
    • fred

      Bob
      Ha, you made me laugh for a moment then a dread fell upon me when I realized that is the wedge to break down belief. Make it look silly, poke fun at it then soon enough it does become a joke. Regrettably the Word of God never returns empty and it cuts to heart of the matter. In this case it just revealed I was beginning to drift if I thought it funny for even a moment. Granted I had a vision of Mel dropping the 15 commandments and “saying make that 10” but I also had flashbacks of other parts of the Bible I once made sport of.
      The cross is serious business as can be witnessed by the two types of people next to Christ one a mocker the other a sudden realization of what was taking place.

      “how come your 'omnipotent' creature couldn't do all that supposed saving without the loony son sacrifice bit?”
      =>ok this is not biblical just my thought at the moment: God seems to show a pattern of allowing good and evil to fully present themselves before taking action. Jesus revealed the full goodness, purity and devotion any man could conceivably have towards God. There is no proof without testing as testing reveals what is actually there not hypothetically present. Evil was also allowed to pour out all the worst against the chosen son of God that evil could muster up (all the sins of mankind including abandonment by God i.e. absence of God’s presence “my God my God why hast thou forsaken me”). Judgment is clear and just as one goes to heaven while the other looses eternal presence with God. This is a common biblical thread from the flood story on.

      Another reason was to fully show to anyone really interested exactly what sin feels like and looks like before the burning holiness of God.

      “ how was it a sacrifice at all when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son”
      =>Jesus the man actually endured it, God himself endured it, the Holy Spirit cried out. This was truly a sacrifice including the experience of death (that part where Jesus no longer felt the presence of God which has never happened to Christ in all eternity). There is a sting to death and it was broken. Jesus the man went through it just as you and I will go through it. The difference is that those in Christ are not stuck in that zone where Jesus did not have the presence of God “my God my God why hast thou forsaken me”

      February 8, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
    • Bob

      Fred, while I laugh at your pathetic "arguments, my points are serious ones. Again, you are proposing the existence of an omnipotent, benevolent being. So, think this through, more carefully this time:

      My point was that whole premise of Christianity that the death of the son of god would have been any kind of "sacrifice" and was required to deal with "sin" is utter nonsense.Here's why, and it is irrelevant that Jesus was a "man" since you also claim that your god can make him not so, can produce eternal life even after death, and can even control time:

      This is a supposed omnipotent being, this Christian god. How come your 'omnipotent' creature couldn't do all that supposed saving without the loony son sacrifice bit? And for that matter, how was it a sacrifice at all, when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time it wants with less than a snap of its fingers?

      Pretty feeble "omnipotent" being it is that you've made for yourself there. Give that some thought and maybe it will help you leave your delusions behind. You will remain a laughingstock otherwise, and the more you dwell in your silly delusion and ancient myths, instead of keeping up with advances in medicine and technology, the more America slips downward relative to the rest of the world in science and other fields.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
      Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      February 9, 2013 at 10:33 am |
  12. End Religion

    "Religion is a myth-stake"
    I chuckled...

    February 8, 2013 at 12:05 am |
  13. John

    The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is strong as ever, everywhere, USA included. People's belief though, needs to strengthen up after all the nonsense atheists spewed out to confuse them.

    February 8, 2013 at 12:04 am |
    • End Religion

      How strong will your god be if it has no believers? Zeus doesn't seem to be too powerful these days.

      February 8, 2013 at 12:06 am |
    • John

      You can't fathom how strong he is, you can't even imagine it, and neither can I. How strong he is, does not depend on believers. It is like asking how strong will the farmer be if some of the crop rots, or doesn't bare fruit... he will have them pulled up, and tossed in the fire. You know what God wants ER, but you refuse to believe him, saying his witnesses aren't good enough for you. Witnesses aren't just in the bible... God exists.

      February 8, 2013 at 12:34 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Your god is a complete wimp. He can't even keep his cult members from screwing like rabbits and having 700,000+ abortions per year in the USA.

      February 8, 2013 at 12:37 am |
    • John

      HAA, you're confusing patience with what you perceive to be a lack of strength. Look at the universe out there, look with the most powerful telescope you can find, he made all that, it did not make him weak, to show what he can do, nor did it make him weak to wait and see what you or anyone else will chose, over what he wants.

      February 8, 2013 at 12:51 am |
    • End Religion

      John, you sound like an elementary school girl defending her imaginary friend. Have you had a CAT scan lately?

      February 8, 2013 at 12:56 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Bullsh!t. Krauss, Hawking, Dawkins, deGrasse Tyson and other scientists have far better explanations for the universe than your imaginary god and The Babble fairy tale.

      February 8, 2013 at 12:56 am |
    • Bet

      You know what God wants

      I imagine a lot of little boys heard those same words whispered in their ears by pedophile priests. Creepy.

      February 8, 2013 at 1:27 am |
    • John

      HAA, what do they say about braided magnetic loops with multi million degree temperatures on the sun? My recollection is that fusion occurs at 10-14 million degrees, and much lower with applied voltages... Interesting times we live in.

      February 8, 2013 at 1:32 am |
    • utalkintome

      you really need to do your research on your boy jesus....that story is very old...and like all relgions, manifested.....as for the existence of a god....you provide any evidence(and i mean any) then we can have a discussion...until then, your opinion is invalid...
      WHAT CAN BE ASSERTED WITHOUT PROOF CAN BE DISMISSED WITHOUT PROOF.....HITCHENS

      February 8, 2013 at 1:37 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Braided magnetic loops and fusion are interesting subjects but I must confess I don't understand the context with imaginary mythical beings and superst!tions.

      February 8, 2013 at 1:44 am |
    • John

      HAA, your claim is that I should go to others rather than God to understand the universe... when they got it wrong. God is right.

      February 8, 2013 at 1:55 am |
    • tallulah13

      John, it is your option to believe "god did it" rather than wait for the true answers, but don't expect people to respect you for choosing ignorance.

      February 8, 2013 at 1:59 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Who got what wrong? Please be more specific and provide references.

      February 8, 2013 at 2:01 am |
    • John

      HAA, everything you read in the bible, where a prophet of God says God did something... it's the truth. Your claim and others is that some, and let me be crude here, some puny miracle of Jesus healing someone at that time, is impossible. But you then claim that it's completely normal to think "nothing" is making an entire universe, our galaxy, or our solar system, and that doesn't cause you any concern at all to think that. I submit that Jesus healing someone, is vastly more believable than the formation of even just our earth being formed by "nothing". As for those you referened as being more believeable than God, I will wait for their analysis of what it means to have multi million degree braided magnetic loops on the sun, and all the applied voltages... oh what does that mean anyway... I wonder... what comes next. I'm telling you the truth right now, God exists.

      February 8, 2013 at 2:10 am |
    • HotAirAce

      I do not dispute the historical jesus or that he may have performed what appeared to be miracles. I do not believe that any divine supernatural beings exist, therefore I do not believe The Babble is the word of any god. There is no evidence to support the existence of any supernatural beings.

      Re: magnetic braids, you appear to think they represent some significant failure of science. I cannot find any controversy about such braids but clearly do not know enough to know if I am looking in the right area or to form an opinion. You can continue to throw them out as some mysterious "gotcha" or you can provide me with a clear reference so that I might better understand your point.

      February 8, 2013 at 2:25 am |
    • Bet

      Good gravy, you keep trying to use the bible as proof that the bible is true.

      There's a city in Georgia called Atlanta and a book named Gone With the Wind. That means Rhett Butler existed. I can prove it because it's in the book.

      February 8, 2013 at 2:32 am |
    • John

      HAA, there are more than enough witnesses in the bible, and you claim they're all either liars, lunatics, or dreaming, right? Every one of them had to be that, so you could claim God isn't there. And given God existing billions of years, which includes over all human history, that God interacting with others and them not being in the bible, they're the same, liars, lunatics, or dreaming... just so you can reject God and feel good about that choice. Your skeptism is so strong, that no one can tell you the truth, because the truth doesn't fit what you want it to be.

      Multi million degree braided loops changes it all... very interesting times we're in... God knew all about it.

      February 8, 2013 at 3:14 am |
    • sam stone

      "You can't fathom how strong he is, you can't even imagine it, and neither can I."

      Yet you certainly imply it

      February 8, 2013 at 5:36 am |
    • sam stone

      HAA: John, your god is an impotent, vindictive little pr1ck

      February 8, 2013 at 5:40 am |
    • John

      Sam, no I can't comprehend the amount of energy expended to create a universe, but I can understand not comprehending it. A good example, a color blind person can not see all the colors I see, some are missing. If I try to explain to that person a color they can't see, I already know they can't comprehend it in they have said they can't see it, when I can. Same thing for the amount of energy to form a universe, it's beyond anything I can imagine, I'm blind to anything outside the realm of energy I'm used to dealing with or seeing in use in typical daily settings, cars, homes, cities, states, etc... but the energy to form a universe... no comprehension of that level of energy... yet God dealt with it, formed it, comprehended it, and remembered it.

      February 8, 2013 at 5:53 am |
    • John

      Sam, you claim to know God, claim to know what he's like, and then slander him. Did you know he knows what I'm typing, before I typed it? Did you know he already knew it thousands of years ago? And given he knew that, he also knew what you would say, before you said it.... thousands of years ago... or more. God can pass right through time, he's not constrained by it. He's not constained by living her on earth either. He knew about braided magnetic loops on the sun, thousands of years ago... well, the people he told, knew it... he knew it long before that. He knows all time... and yours and my life... and all the rest of his creation. It's all known to him... and confusion to you... in thinking he doesn't. I know he does, and I know he exists... like my hand exists... I know it that well, no doubt at all that God exists.

      February 8, 2013 at 6:08 am |
    • sam stone

      john: i do not claim to know god. i claim to know YOUR DEFINITION of god.

      if god is omniscient, he knows who will accept his son (himself) as a savior before they are born. correct?

      god condemns those who do not accept his son (himself) as a savior to hell. correct?

      given the correctness of those two statements, why does god allow those who will not accept his son (including the vast majority of people who have ever lived or will live) to be born?

      don't give me the bullspit freewill argument, because free will and an omniscient god are incompatible.

      the only rational conclusion is that god is a vindictive petty pr1ck who likes to torture people

      or, that "god" is a myth made up by vindictive petty pr1cks

      you choose

      February 8, 2013 at 7:34 am |
    • HotAirAce

      The Babble is a work of fiction. Most of the characters in The Babble never existed, so they are not the liars, the authors are the liars. Those that believe The Babble is true are mentally ill, liars or both. One last time, what is with your mysterious obsession with braided magnetic loops?

      February 8, 2013 at 7:35 am |
    • John

      Sam, God knows how it will turn out, but if he stops it from being what it ends up being, then there was no free will. It has to go to completion, to get what he wanted, those that love him, of their own decision. The rest didn't want to know him or want to do what he said to do. Jesus dying for others sins was a best offer to get those that might have given up, back on the right path. What a shame people don't take the offer, once they know it's there... but instead claim God is as you say he is, when he isn't, he's the most incredible being in existence... and you don't realize what that means, or the honor and respect he deserves, given the magnitude and incredible number of dynamic characteristics he has. I'm telling you in the most truthful manner possible, he really is there, believe it, from someone that knows it.

      February 8, 2013 at 8:44 am |
    • sam stone

      "Sam, God knows how it will turn out, but if he stops it from being what it ends up being, then there was no free will."

      If god know how it will turn out, and he cannot be wrong, there is no free will. It will turn out as god knows it will

      February 8, 2013 at 9:08 am |
    • sam stone

      "Jesus dying for others sins"

      Making someone pay for another's "sins" is immoral

      "or the honor and respect he deserves"

      Au contraire....I am giving your god entirely the respect he deserves, none.

      "I'm telling you in the most truthful manner possible, he really is there, believe it, from someone that knows it."

      You sure have an issue confusing knowledge and faith

      February 8, 2013 at 9:12 am |
    • sam stone

      "but if he stops it from being what it ends up being"

      he cannot do that

      February 8, 2013 at 10:07 am |
    • John

      Sam, all three... God did not control you to do what ever you wanted to do. You are doing what you want, so am I. God can look ahead at any time to see what you'll end up doing, and what you've done in the past. Jesus dying for others sins was his choice, it was an offer for anyone that wants it. There are people that believe God is there, and there are some that know it. An apostle there with Jesus is a good example of someone that knew it. A color blind person has faith that you can see colors he can't, meanwhile, you know you can see colors he can't. You've written off all the apostles and prophets in the bible as liars, lunatics and dreamers. You do this because you don't want to believe God is there, and your defense mechanism is to deny what they said was obvious, all of them... much like I'm telling you now, God exists.

      February 8, 2013 at 10:33 am |
    • ME II

      @John,
      "Multi million degree braided loops changes it all.."
      What does this change?

      February 8, 2013 at 10:42 am |
    • sam stone

      "Sam, all three... God did not control you to do what ever you wanted to do. You are doing what you want, so am I. God can look ahead at any time to see what you'll end up doing, and what you've done in the past."

      If my final choce is known by god and god cannot be wrong, there is no way to do other than what god knows will be done. Therefore, no free will.

      "Jesus dying for others sins was his choice"

      It was god's choice to set up the need for people to profess Jesus as a savior. He could have done otherwise.

      "You've written off all the apostles and prophets in the bible as liars, lunatics and dreamers"

      Point out where I said that.

      "You do this because you don't want to believe God is there"

      Perhaps I believe in a god, but not YOUR version of it. Did you ever consider that?

      "much like I'm telling you now, God exists."

      much like I'm telling you now, you are delusional, and would not recognize logic if it came up and punched you in the face

      February 8, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
    • LOL!

      ""much like I'm telling you now, God exists."

      much like I'm telling you now, you are delusional, and would not recognize logic if it came up and punched you in the face"

      You are correct, but John will be in denial, just like all the believers of all religions made up by mankind.

      February 8, 2013 at 12:55 pm |
    • sam stone

      "You've written off all the apostles and prophets in the bible as liars, lunatics and dreamers"

      Seriously, John, is lying the only way you can make your point?

      Would god want you to lie?

      February 8, 2013 at 1:00 pm |
    • Hans

      "You've written off all the apostles and prophets in the bible as liars, lunatics and dreamers. "

      What do you call the people who wrote about Zeus or Athena?

      February 8, 2013 at 1:04 pm |
    • John

      ME2: "what does this change?", for God it doesn't change anything, he already knew it. But what it means for people claiming they knew more than God... they didn't. A little under 2000 years ago, God gave it away, and it's sat there all this time... right out in the open... waiting. That's how much patience God has... power you can't imagine, and neither can I. That's just one star, one. He made all of them. Why do you want to argue against God, why? For man what it changes is simple... they got it wrong. It's been wrong for decades... when they claimed they knew... they didn't. Just watch. You'll see soon enough... but you won't have to wait 2000 years for it, like he did.

      February 8, 2013 at 1:29 pm |
    • sam stone

      Still waiting on that answer, John. If you have the courage

      February 8, 2013 at 1:39 pm |
    • John

      Sam, you claim that you don't believe the bible, nor the apostles or the prophets, correct? The only reasons I can think of for rejecting what they said, given the miracles they reported, is that you believe they lied, or were delusional, or were dreaming when what ever they experience, was later written down. If you claim someone else was such... what ever... it's the same set of reasons for rejecting the bible accounts therein. Otherwise... why do you reject it? You certainly don't believe it... or you'd say you do.

      February 8, 2013 at 1:53 pm |
    • Sue

      How are your mustard seeds growing, John?

      February 8, 2013 at 1:55 pm |
    • Bob

      The conflicts between the absurd Christian bible and science are well documented. Here are just a few examples, but there are thousands. Adequate cause for tossing out the bible in its entirety, for the supersti-tious nonsense that it so obviously is:

      The Genesis 1 creation account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science. In Genesis, the earth is created before light and stars, birds and whales before reptiles and insects, and flowering plants before any animals. The order of events known from science is just the opposite. 1:1-2:3

      God creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night, on the first day. Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day (1:14-19). And how could there be "the evening and the morning" on the first day if there was no sun to mark them? 1:3-5

      God spends one-sixth of his entire creative effort (the second day) working on a solid firmament. This strange structure, which God calls heaven, is intended to separate the higher waters from the lower waters. 1:6-8

      Plants are made on the third day before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes (1:14-19). 1:11

      God lets "the earth bring forth" the plants, rather than creating them directly. Maybe Genesis is not so anti-evolution after all. 1:11

      In an apparent endorsement of astrology, God places the sun, moon, and stars in the firmament so that they can be used "for signs". This, of course, is exactly what astrologers do: read "the signs" in the Zodiac in an effort to predict what will happen on Earth. 1:14

      God makes two lights: "the greater light [the sun] to rule the day, and the lesser light [the moon] to rule the night." But the moon is not a light, but only reflects light from the sun. And why, if God made the moon to "rule the night", does it spend half of its time moving through the daytime sky? 1:16

      "He made the stars also." God spends a day making light (before making the stars) and separating light from darkness; then, at the end of a hard day's work, and almost as an afterthought, he makes the trillions of stars. 1:16

      "And God set them [the stars] in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth." 1:17

      In verse 11, God "let the earth bring forth" the plants. Now he has the earth "bring forth" the animals as well. So maybe the creationists have it all wrong. Maybe God created livings things through the process of evolution. 1:24

      God gave humans dominion over every other living thing on earth. 1:26

      God commands us to "be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over ... every living thing that moveth upon the earth." 1:28

      "I have given you every herb ... and every tree ... for meat."
      Since many plants have evolved poisons to protect against animals that would like to eat them, God's advice is more than a little reckless. Would you tell your children to go out in the garden and eat whatever plants they encounter? Of course not. But then, you are much nicer and smarter than God. 1:29

      All animals were originally herbivores. Tapeworms, vampire bats, mosquitoes, and barracudas – all were strict vegetarians, as they were created by God. 1:30

      "God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good." He purposefully designed a system that ensures the suffering and death of all his creatures, parasite and host, predator and prey. 1:31

      In Genesis 1 the entire creation takes 6 days, but the universe is 13.7 billion years old, with new stars constantly being formed. 1:31

      Humans were not created instantaneously from dust and breath, but evolved over millions of years from simpler life forms. 2:7

      God fashions a woman out of one of Adam's ribs.
      Because of this story, it was commonly believed (and sometimes it is still said today) that males have one less rib than females. When Vesalius showed in 1543 that the number of ribs was the same in males and females, it created a storm of controversy. 2:19

      God curses the serpent. From now on the serpent will crawl on his belly and eat dust. One wonders how he got around before – by hopping on his tail, perhaps? But snakes don't eat dust, do they? 3:14

      Because Adam listened to Eve, God cursed the ground and causes thorns and thistles to grow. Before this, according to the (false) Genesis story, plants had no natural defenses. The rose had no thorn, cacti were spineless, holly leaves were smooth, and the nettle had no sting. Foxgloves, oleander, and milkweeds were all perfectly safe to eat. 3:17-18

      Go here for more:
      http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html

      February 8, 2013 at 2:00 pm |
    • sam stone

      (insert crickets chirping)

      what a surprise

      February 8, 2013 at 2:38 pm |
    • sam stone

      you claimed that i claimed they were liars, delusional, etc. i never did any of that. you can come up with your bullspit rationalization later.....but that is all it is....bullspit.

      February 8, 2013 at 2:41 pm |
    • sam stone

      while we are at it, johnny, show me where i said that i did not believe the bible. whether or not i do is not relevant. you are attributing to me a claim that i never made. my claim was that free will and an omniscient god were incompatible. you still have not refuted it other than some blah, blah, fvcking blah

      February 8, 2013 at 2:47 pm |
    • ME II

      John
      " For man what it changes is simple... they got it wrong. It's been wrong for decades... when they claimed they knew... they didn't. "
      Scientists never claimed to know everything, nor to have complete understanding. Science is a process of learning and a method for investigating how the universe works.

      February 8, 2013 at 2:48 pm |
    • sam stone

      "The only reasons I can think of for rejecting what they said, given the miracles they reported, is that you believe they lied, or were delusional, or were dreaming when what ever they experience, was later written down"

      Or, there was some subsequent editing.....

      February 8, 2013 at 3:07 pm |
    • John

      Sam, you claimed you didn't reject the bible, here are your words from just above:
      the only rational conclusion is that god is a vindictive petty pr1ck who likes to torture people
      or, that "god" is a myth made up by vindictive petty pr1cks

      Those were your two sentences, in the second you claim the bible would be a myth, in the first that you think he's as you said, which is wrong. God being who he is, all powerful, intelligence beyond comprehension, outside time, and simply saying what he wants done, he is more than reasonable, and the bible makes sense. But you claim it doesn't, so clearly you do not believe it.

      February 8, 2013 at 3:18 pm |
    • Sue

      It's really entertaining to watch the tortuous mental twists and turns and dodges that John will make to avoid acknowledging that his delusion is just that, merely another ancient superstition among many, with no support in evidence for its claims. His brain must just be squirming.

      February 8, 2013 at 3:31 pm |
    • John

      Is that what you want Sue? You want someone to be unsure about God being there? Look at your hand, you see it, you know it's there. If I told you that you weren't sure your hand was there, what would you say? That same thing you'd tell me, I would tell you about God, that he's there and I know it. He knew to the day, what they didn't know, and said it 2000 years ago. He can do that, because time isn't a restriction for God, like it is for you. He knows your birth to death, you're an open book, and you don't realize it.

      February 8, 2013 at 4:34 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      I'm still waiting to be educated on the tremendous significance of braided magnetic loops. Only thing I can figure out so far is that they appear to upset people that wear tinfoil hats.

      February 8, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
    • sam stone

      john is delusional. he knows god exists like he knows his hand exists. he can see his hand.....

      February 8, 2013 at 5:28 pm |
  14. Reality

    "The Two Universal Sects

    They all err—Moslems, Jews,
    Christians, and Zoroastrians:

    Humanity follows two world-wide sects:
    One, man intelligent without religion,
    The second, religious without intellect. "

    Al-Ma'arri
    , born AD 973 /, died AD 1058 / .

    Al-Ma’arri was a blind Arab philosopher, poet and writer.[1][2] He was a controversial rationalist of his time, attacking the dogmas of religion and rejecting the claim that Islam possessed any monopoly on truth."

    Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/resalat-al-ghufran#ixzz1lI6DuZmZ and http://www.humanistictexts.org/al_ma'arri.htm

    Death's Debt is Paid in
    Full

    Death's debt is then and there
    Paid down by dying men;

    But it is a promise bare
    That they shall rise again.

    Al-Ma'arri

    February 7, 2013 at 11:56 pm |
  15. HotAirAce

    What could happen to an imaginary being?

    February 7, 2013 at 11:49 pm |
  16. Colin

    But for hispanic immigration, which tends to involve the lowest rungs on the education ladder, the number of Christians in the USA would be dropping like a rock. The simple fact is, the dumber, or less educated a person is, the more likely they are to believe in the Christian sky-fairy.

    February 7, 2013 at 11:47 pm |
    • riodeoro11

      Clearly, we live in a culture that prides itself on living based upon facts. On the other hand, the lack of existence of God is nothing more than an unproven hypothesis. I thought atheists were so much smarter than everyone else – just ask them (no don't bother, they'll let you know themselves). Am I missing something about the whole fact based dogma of the "free-thinking" movement?

      February 8, 2013 at 12:50 am |
    • End Religion

      rio, you didn't get the memo? While there may be a creator, the bible is a known fraud; your god and miracle jeebus never existed. It's all goofy medieval superstitious bullshit created by middle eastern goat herders 2000+ years ago to try to describe what they didn't understand. What they didn't understand could fill a book, and it did. They were more ignorant than an average 10th grader. We have moved on. Why won't you?

      February 8, 2013 at 1:04 am |
    • LinCA

      @riodeoro11

      There isn't a shred of evidence for the existence of your god. It is therefore about as likely to exist as the Tooth Fairy or the Easter Bunny. Do you believe in those too? Do you believe in everything for which there isn't absolute proof it doesn't exist?

      February 8, 2013 at 1:10 am |
    • Bet

      On the other hand, the lack of existence of God is nothing more than an unproven hypothesis.

      This has been explained ad nauseum, but there is no need to prove god's nonexistence. Do you feel the need to prove that Aphrodite doesn't exist? CAN you prove she doesn't? If you can't, why don't you believe in Aphrodite?

      February 8, 2013 at 1:23 am |
    • tallulah13

      riodeoro11, I feel bad for you. You must believe in every god that was ever worshiped because there is as much evidence of their existence as there is for the christian god. Perhaps a chemical imbalance is responsible for your utter lack of common sense.

      February 8, 2013 at 1:58 am |
  17. IsalandAtheist

    American's don't buy-bull the way they used to.

    February 7, 2013 at 11:45 pm |
  18. Colin

    I wonder if, as pagan beliefs went into inevitable decline in the Roman Empire, there was the equivalent of a journalist who asked "Whatever happend to Zeus in the Empire?"

    February 7, 2013 at 11:44 pm |
    • Christianity is a form of SEVERE mental illness

      lol

      February 8, 2013 at 11:16 am |
  19. Ken Margo

    Nothing happened to God. Something happened to the people that believe in God.

    February 7, 2013 at 11:44 pm |
    • Christianity is a form of SEVERE mental illness

      Yes nothing happened to the Gods, rather people stopped believing in them. All the Gods are still there.

      February 8, 2013 at 11:22 am |
  20. Reality

    What happened to God in America?

    We put away childish things!!!!

    February 7, 2013 at 11:39 pm |
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