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February 15th, 2013
04:34 AM ET

Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Friday, February 15, 2013

By Arielle Hawkins, CNN

Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories.

From the Blog:


Parish priests of Rome's diocese attend a meeting with Pope Benedict XVI at the Paul VI Hall on February 14, 2013 in Vatican City, Vatican.

CNN: Pope Benedict addresses priests of Rome
Pope Benedict XVI addressed parish priests from the city of Rome on Thursday, in what is likely to be one of his final public appearances before his resignation from the papacy at the end of the month. The meeting with the parish priests focused on Benedict's experiences from the Second Vatican Council, in the 1960s, which examined the Roman Catholic Church's relationship with the world.

Tweet of the Day:

Belief on TV:

Photos of the Day:

Buddhist ascetics splash cold water over themselves at the end of their 100-day austere Buddhism training to pray for peace in the world at Nose Myokenzan Betsuin temple in Tokyo on February 15, 2013 on the anniversary of Buddha's death.

Pope Benedict XVI (L) leads the mass for Ash Wednesday, opening Lent, the forty-day period of abstinence and deprivation for the Christians, before the Holy Week and Easter, on February 13, 2013 at St Peter's basilica at the Vatican.

Roman Catholics raise religious items while a priest blesses them after mass in observance of Ash Wednesday outside a church in Manila on February 13, 2013, two days after Pope Benedict XVI resigned.

Enlightening Reads:

New York Times: Don’t You Be My Valentine
While much of the world celebrates Valentine’s Day on Thursday, Pakistan’s religious political parties are exhorting the country’s youth to celebrate a “day of modesty” instead. On Tuesday, the student wing of Jamaat-e-Islami, a major religious party, condemned Valentine’s Day in Peshawar for encouraging “immodesty” and threatened to shut down any celebrations if law enforcement agencies failed to take action first.

New York Times: A Laboratory for Revitalizing Catholicism
If there is any place that captures the challenges facing Catholicism around the world it is Brazil, the country with the largest number of Catholics and a laboratory of sorts for the church’s strategies for luring followers back into the fold. Reflecting the shifting religious landscape that Pope Benedict XVI’s successor will contend with, Brazil rivals the United States as the nation with the most Pentecostals, as a Catholic monolith gives way amid a surge in evangelical Protestant churches.

Religion News Service: Catholic migration, and why the next pope should be Brazilian
In the days since Pope Benedict XVI announced his resignation, talk has turned toward who the next pope should be, and where he should be from. Like most previous popes, Benedict hails from Europe. But as he often lamented, the church there suffers through a steady decline. Meanwhile, Catholicism is booming in Africa and predominates in Latin America. A Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life study of the global Catholic populace brings the church’s southern migration into high relief.

The Jewish Daily Forward: Black Market for Jewish Grave Sites Grows on Web
A black market in Jewish graves is hiding in plain sight on the classified pages. Defunct Jewish burial societies have been selling cemetery plots at bargain basement prices through classified ads on Craigslist and in the print edition of the Forward — even though New York and New Jersey state laws bar these sales.

Huffington Post: St. Malachy Last Pope Prophecy: What Theologians Think About 12th-Century Prediction
After Pope Benedict XVI announced his resignation, those familiar with a 12th-century prophecy claiming the next pope will be the last questioned if Judgment Day is quickly approaching. Scholars, theologians and churchmen, however, all treat this "prediction" as fiction passed off as reality. The "Prophecy of the Popes" is attributed to St. Malachy, an Irish archbishop who was canonized a saint in 1190, according to Discovery News. In his predication, dated 1139, Malachy prophesied that there would be 112 more popes before Judgment Day. Benedict is supposedly the 111th pope.

Religion News Service: House passes bill to give disaster relief to religious groups
The House Wednesday (Feb. 13) overwhelmingly passed a bill to allow places of worship to receive federal aid to repair their buildings damaged during Hurricane Sandy. The bill, which garnered strong bipartisan support, is also expected to pass the Senate, and would address what its sponsors consider a discriminatory practice that keeps federal disaster money from religious groups.

Opinion of the Day:

CNN: My Take: What's next for President Obama's 'pastor-in-chief'
Joshua DuBois, director of President Obama’s Office of Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships from 2008 until he stepped down last week, discusses his plans for the future.

Join the conversation…

CNN: Colbert for pope? The surprising standards for the next Catholic leader
With Pope Benedict XVI announcing his resignation on Monday, the leaders of the Catholic Church will soon meet to select the next person to lead the ever-changing church. While it is likely that they will pick another voting member of the College of Cardinals – the 118 Catholic leaders younger than 80 will vote on who should lead the church – the standards for who can become pope are remarkably loose.

- A. Hawkins

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  1. Science

    FACTS TOPHER WORK BEST !!!!!!!!!!

    A War Without End, With Earth's Carbon Cycle Held in the Balance

    Feb. 13, 2013 — The greatest battle in Earth's history has been going on for hundreds of millions of years – it isn't over yet – and until now no one knew it existed, scientists reported Feb. 13 in the journal Nature.

    Peace

    February 17, 2013 at 5:58 am |
    • Science

      Oops source for above

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130213132323.htm

      February 17, 2013 at 6:04 am |
    • Red

      I looked for your article but couldn't find it. Oh well, maybe some other time. God is Great!

      February 17, 2013 at 8:12 am |
    • science

      Carbon cool stuff easy to find!

      Artificial Enzyme Created by Evolution in a Test Tube

      Jan. 30, 2013 — There's a wobbly new biochemical structure in Burckhard Seelig's lab at the University of Minnesota that may resemble what enzymes looked like billions of years ago, when life on earth began to evolve - long before they became ingredients for new and improved products, from detergents to foods and fuels.

      3-D structure of the evolved enzyme (an RNA ligase), using 10 overlaid snapshots. In the top region, the overlays show the range of bending and folding flexibility in the amino acid chain that forms the molecule. The two gray balls are zinc ions. (Credit: University of Minnesota)

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130130132411.htm

      February 17, 2013 at 8:56 am |
    • Topher

      "First Artificial Enzyme Created by Evolution in a Test Tube

      Jan. 30, 2013 — There's a wobbly new biochemical structure in Burckhard Seelig's lab at the University of Minnesota that MAY (emphasis mine) resemble what enzymes looked like billions of years ago, when life on earth began to evolve - long before they became ingredients for new and improved products, from detergents to foods and fuels."

      MAY? So they don't know?

      February 17, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
    • End Religion

      topher, i assume this is the point you would have lied for jesus instead of being honest?

      February 17, 2013 at 1:43 pm |
    • ME II

      @topher,
      Yes, they don't know. I think the point of the article is indicated by the words in the ti.tle "artificial" and "evolution".

      "While a handful of groups worldwide are developing artificial enzymes, they use rational design to construct the proteins on computers. Instead, the Seelig lab employs directed evolution. "To my knowledge, our enzyme is the only entirely artificial enzyme created in a test tube by simply following the principles of natural selection and evolution," he says."

      Although one might argue about the notion of "artificial natural selection", but perhaps that's just semantics.

      February 17, 2013 at 1:53 pm |
    • Topher

      End Religion

      Umm ... what?

      February 17, 2013 at 2:10 pm |
    • Afternoon

      Topher
      jesus MAY (my emphasis) have been resurected from the dead. So you not know. Two can play your lying game. get it.

      February 17, 2013 at 2:40 pm |
    • Topher

      Afternoon

      No where in the Bible does it say Jesus MAY have done anything. We KNOW what happened.

      February 17, 2013 at 2:48 pm |
    • End Religion

      Again, the point, exactly. You do not know but are dishonest.

      February 17, 2013 at 2:53 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Gopher, you do not know. You believe. That's all.

      February 17, 2013 at 2:59 pm |
    • Afternoon

      Topher
      That is the problem with you fundie nutters, you KNOW that all the supernatural claims, that have never been repeated, th happened in your religious tome, are true but deny all other god myths. They are scams, man made myths that clever con artisrs have sold to the mas*ses, get over it, fool.

      February 17, 2013 at 3:00 pm |
    • Topher

      No lying involved. The Bible is completely reliable with no reason not to trust it.

      February 17, 2013 at 3:00 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Topher-

      Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son is clearly correct. Isn't "belief" what faith is about?

      February 17, 2013 at 3:01 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Just heard on the radio that fossilized dinosaur tracks have been found near NASA's Goddard Center in Greenbelt, MD. Guess that blows your theory of a 6000 year old planet to smithereens, Gopher.

      February 17, 2013 at 3:05 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      http://www.nbcnews.com/id/50698154/ns/technology_and_science-science/

      February 17, 2013 at 3:09 pm |
    • Science

      Natual works best topher.

      The air you suck in 24/7 is made naturally hope you know that.

      Peace

      February 17, 2013 at 3:12 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Well, Gopher? Nothing to say?

      February 17, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
    • Topher

      Really-O?

      "Isn't "belief" what faith is about?"

      Of course. But it's not just blind faith. There's plenty of evidence and reason to believe that it is true. And when you are born again, you move from a mere belief to knowledge.

      February 17, 2013 at 3:18 pm |
    • Science

      Tom Tom there goes the Arc (sinking fast) on your last post aye.

      The facts just keep coming Topher.

      February 17, 2013 at 3:18 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      It is impossible for a text that contradicts itself to be "reliable."

      February 17, 2013 at 3:27 pm |
    • Topher

      The problem with that is there are NO contradictions.

      February 17, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
    • End Religion

      From TTPS's link:
      "This particular lumbering leaf-eater must have been moving quickly across the prehistoric mud, as its heel did not sink deeply into the ground."

      Unfortunately this is proof for Topher's YEC worldview since obviously the dinosaur was running from the humans who were hunting it... Or maybe it was running because humans were using it in their dino-chariot racing games. Just you wait until scientists dig up the first dinosaur saddle. Oops, too late...
      http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonablefaith/2009/04/creationist-paleontologists-discover-dinosaur-saddle/

      February 17, 2013 at 3:38 pm |
    • End Religion

      Topher, you've become a caricature of yourself.
      http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

      February 17, 2013 at 3:43 pm |
    • Topher

      End Religion

      What is TTPS?

      What a bunch of ridiculous bunk. The story even admits as much. Is this really where you guys get your evidence in support for your worldview?

      February 17, 2013 at 3:46 pm |
    • Topher

      End Religion

      So your source for Bible contradictions is a website with a liberal bias and that hates God? Nice.

      February 17, 2013 at 3:48 pm |
    • clarity

      lol@ saddle link.

      February 17, 2013 at 3:48 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Topher – "liberal bias and that hates God"

      Come on, Topher, you don't see how that statement exposes a healthy dose of persecutory delusion and bias? You're better than that.

      February 17, 2013 at 4:00 pm |
    • Science

      Topher

      Who or what made the gold ?

      You know lead to gold.

      February 17, 2013 at 4:00 pm |
    • Topher

      Really-O?

      "Come on, Topher, you don't see how that statement exposes a healthy dose of persecutory delusion and bias? You're better than that."

      What's persecutory about it? It is what it is ... it's set up to argue against God.

      February 17, 2013 at 4:02 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Topher –

      An "argue[ment] against God" does not, in and of itself, indicate a position with a "liberal bias" and one that "hates God", right?

      February 17, 2013 at 4:07 pm |
    • Topher

      No, not always. But this one does.

      February 17, 2013 at 4:11 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      TTPS stands for Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son, Gopher. You know: me. The poster you couldn't answer.

      February 17, 2013 at 4:13 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Topher-

      "Shades of grey", my friend, not "black and white". I hope you're enjoying your weekend.

      Cheers

      February 17, 2013 at 4:15 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "The dino tracks, thought to have been left by three separate beasts more than 100 million years ago,"

      What sayest thou, oh YEC?

      February 17, 2013 at 4:20 pm |
    • Topher

      Really-O?

      I am. Just took my puppy for her first walk. Hope you are enjoying yours as well.

      February 17, 2013 at 4:30 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Poor Gopher. Struck dumb.

      February 17, 2013 at 4:36 pm |
    • End Religion

      @Topher: have you had "the talk" with your puppy yet? You know the one, where you explain to her that you and she are related? You share a common ancestor. Isn't that cool? The dog you love so much already is actually a relative!

      Morganucodon "Morgie" is an early mammalian genus that lived during the Late Triassic. It is our ancestor, a survivor of the meteor strike which decimated the dinosaurs and allowed us to take over the planet. Thanks, Morgie!
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morganucodon
      http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/New_Hall_on_the_Mall.html

      February 17, 2013 at 4:39 pm |
    • Topher

      Do you actually believe the things you spout off about?

      February 17, 2013 at 4:48 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Do you actually believe the things you spout off about"?

      Oh, the irony.

      Comedy gold. As if the bible were more believable than science.

      February 17, 2013 at 4:54 pm |
    • End Religion

      Topher, we are all related; related to everything in the universe. We are made of stardust. We are made of the building blocks of the universe, atoms from exploded stars, like all other things. We have come through the tumultuous birth of the universe and were fortunate enough to have a planet an acceptable distance from its sun, with a moon and an atmosphere that gave life a chance to flourish, and it did.

      Then we were fortunate enough in all those millions of years to have had enough comet strikes to obliterate the animals who used to rule the planet, to make way for us to evolve. We're still fighting with insects and bacteria for control of the planet, but for now we're doing OK. After all this, you want to deny letting your puppy know all this wonderful news?

      February 17, 2013 at 4:57 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Well, at least we can all be thankful that Gopher has only a puppy to brainwash and not a kid. I hope it stays that way.

      February 17, 2013 at 5:22 pm |
    • clarity

      I saw a number of references the past couple of days to crocodiles. Not sure what the point was, but I have heard these fascinating creatures may hold some answers for medicine. Evidently things like MRSA and HIV don't stand a chance against croc blood. They seem to have one of the strongest known immune systems of any living things.

      http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2005/08/68553

      February 17, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
    • End Religion

      Maybe Tapdancin' Topher can setup a stand in his front yard like Lucy van Pelt:
      YEC Brainwashing for 5 cents (puppies brainwashed for free). The doctor is in!

      February 17, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
    • 100 million year old Crocodile

      For your enjoyment TOPHER

      Prehistoric shark captured on film

      Copyright 2007 Reuters.
      Video- ITV News Wednesday January 24-2007

      More info about this shark at
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frilled_...

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mneDhOtVEQw&w=640&h=390]

      February 17, 2013 at 5:48 pm |
    • clarity

      I know Loch Ness is fresh water, but I wonder if that purported "monster" if it exists/existed could have been like a fresh-water relative of something like this Frilled Shark. The Frilled Shark has quite a geographic range.

      February 17, 2013 at 5:58 pm |
    • Topher

      Interesting video. Too bad it died.

      February 17, 2013 at 5:59 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Gee, Gopher, what about the find at the Goddard Space Flight Center? No comment on THAT?

      February 17, 2013 at 6:02 pm |
    • Science

      He is stuck on a stump with the facts TTPS, at least we know he is out there on the stump.

      Which fact is Topher ?

      Peace

      Is it that cool star dust topher or Deano the Dino tracks ?

      February 17, 2013 at 6:14 pm |
    • Science

      should be is it (oops)

      February 17, 2013 at 6:20 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It's so interesting that Topher has SO much to say about his beliefs, but when confronted with facts, is suddenly silent. He knows everything about god until someone throws him a curve-ball of reality, and then he runs away like a little girl who's had her pigtails pulled.

      I'd have sympathy for him, but like Chard, he's undeserving of pity. He's an arrogant azz who speaks of his beliefs as if they were based on facts when they are not. He pretends he can "prove" that his version of god exists and is the only "true" god, when he can do nothing of the sort, and demeans his own faith by presenting it as fact.

      He wants to use his version of truth to deny rights to others. He'd like to make women pay for the sin of having s3x by forcing them to give birth. He'd love to deny gays the legal benefits of marriage because he's a bigot.

      I have no time for idiots like him. They deserve the mockery they receive here, and more.

      February 17, 2013 at 6:28 pm |
  2. Sara Howells

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcyW7rMYR7A&w=640&h=390]
    '

    February 17, 2013 at 2:34 am |
  3. End Religion

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NbBjNiw4tk&w=640&h=390]

    February 17, 2013 at 2:27 am |
    • clarity

      Actually, rickshaw design doesn't have to be this complex.

      February 17, 2013 at 9:59 am |
  4. Jerry Fallswell

    .
    You may notice a literal translation of the Hebrew posted above, perhaps you should have read the exchange before leaping to conclusions. English is not Hebrew.

    February 16, 2013 at 6:30 pm |
    • Observer

      The Bible is in English, not Hebrew, so you can't believe EVERY word of it.

      No arguments there.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:52 pm |
  5. Topher

    Good evening, everyone! What shall we talk about tonight?

    February 16, 2013 at 6:30 pm |
    • End Religion

      Lying for Jesus?

      February 16, 2013 at 7:26 pm |
    • Topher

      It's wrong. So what about it?

      February 16, 2013 at 7:32 pm |
    • Evening

      I think end is emplying if it is a sin, why do you continue to do so?

      February 16, 2013 at 7:53 pm |
    • End Religion

      You could start with reconciling the entirety of YEC lies.

      February 16, 2013 at 7:53 pm |
    • Topher

      What lie are you implying that I have told?

      February 16, 2013 at 7:53 pm |
    • Topher

      YEC?

      February 16, 2013 at 7:54 pm |
    • End Religion

      Evening gets a gold star!

      February 16, 2013 at 7:54 pm |
    • Evening

      Impling

      February 16, 2013 at 7:55 pm |
    • End Religion

      maybe i have you mixed up with other nutters. Your lies all get so tangled. Chad is old earth, Lie4It is YEC, are you Young Earth of Old Earth?

      February 16, 2013 at 7:56 pm |
    • Evening

      3rd try implying, I need another beer!

      February 16, 2013 at 7:56 pm |
    • End Religion

      old or young earth, whatevevr, you could start with pointing to the bible as fact. Why lie?

      February 16, 2013 at 7:57 pm |
    • End Religion

      "Bartender, get Evening a double!"

      February 16, 2013 at 7:58 pm |
    • Topher

      YEC mean young earth creationist? Then yes I am.

      February 16, 2013 at 8:02 pm |
    • End Religion

      topher, how old is the earth?

      February 16, 2013 at 8:05 pm |
    • Evening

      Half and Half. a great Irish tradition, thanks End are you buying.

      February 16, 2013 at 8:06 pm |
    • Topher

      The Bible has shown itself to be completely reliable. What specific issue do you have with it?

      February 16, 2013 at 8:07 pm |
    • Topher

      Are you asking my position or the Bible's on the age?

      February 16, 2013 at 8:09 pm |
    • End Religion

      Hell yeah, Evening. I'll splurge for a couple half and halfs. Might wanna try a full-on Guinness Stout at some point as this bartender will put the clover on top, just the way it aught to be.

      February 16, 2013 at 8:12 pm |
    • End Religion

      Let the equivocation and lying begin!

      "The Bible has shown itself to be completely reliable."
      "Are you asking my position or the Bible's on the age?"

      Plus or minus a few hundred thousand years which may change slightly over time as we improve the ability to measure, there is only one generally accepted answer to the question, "how old is the earth?" If the bible is reliable why would it have a different answer than "your position"?

      February 16, 2013 at 8:17 pm |
    • Evening

      Topher
      As a Pastafarian, I have to call you YEC belivers if not liars at least deluded. Please read the Gospel of the FSM and learn the truth. Although the FSM is not a malevolent god, HE may slap you sillier with a noodly appendage.

      February 16, 2013 at 8:20 pm |
    • Topher

      End Religion

      "If the bible is reliable why would it have a different answer than "your position"?"

      Well, the Bible never says "The Earth is (blank) years old." Though it does teach a young-earth position. Which is the one I take.

      February 16, 2013 at 8:25 pm |
    • End Religion

      ..and still no answer from Topher as we enjoy our beer...

      February 16, 2013 at 8:26 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Let's talk about February 2nd, Gopher. Did you see your shadow? How many more weeks of winter will we have?

      February 16, 2013 at 8:30 pm |
    • End Religion

      ...ought to be...

      February 16, 2013 at 8:30 pm |
    • Science

      Nuts too.

      Cheers

      Come on Topher everyone is waiting for the YEC number that is taught.

      February 16, 2013 at 8:34 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son : Let's talk about February 2nd, Gopher. Did you see your shadow? How many more weeks of winter will we have?

      Mockery is the refuge for those lacking facts to support their beliefs.

      February 16, 2013 at 8:34 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I don't need any refuge, chucklehead. Gopher deserves to be mocked and so do you.

      February 16, 2013 at 8:36 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Topher : Well, the Bible never says "The Earth is (blank) years old." Though it does teach a young-earth position.

      It is possible to use Scripture to tease out an approximate number of years, which I've posted previously. Using the number of years in Genesis, 1 Kings 6 and the estimated date of the 4th year of Solomon's reign of 968 BC, one can derive an estimate. But, you're right, it doesn't come right out and say this happened ???? years ago.

      February 16, 2013 at 8:38 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Now shut yer trap and put me on your ignore list, fool.

      February 16, 2013 at 8:38 pm |
    • Topher

      My position is 6000 years, give or take. What's yours?

      February 16, 2013 at 8:39 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son : I don't need any refuge, chucklehead. Gopher deserves to be mocked and so do you.

      Doubling down now, huh? You must be terrified to discuss FACTS.

      February 16, 2013 at 8:40 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Topher : My position is 6000 years, give or take. What's yours?

      6127 years ago according to the Bible. However, there is some "fuzz factors" as people don't generally die on their birthday (i.e. they live 45 1/3 years not 45 or 46).

      Genesis 5 : 1556 years from Adam to Shem
      Genesis 11, 21, 25 and 47 : 680 years from Shem to indus into Egypt
      Exodus 12:4 : 430 years from Indus to Exodus
      1 Kings 6:1 : 480 years from Exodus to 4th year of Solomon
      968 years from 4th year of Solomon to Jesus
      2013 years from Christ to now

      February 16, 2013 at 8:47 pm |
    • Evening

      Topher
      Many of you fundie types say others that post are not familiar with the bible. How familiar are you with the Gospel of the FSM?
      Name five historic pirates?
      What is the differences between FSM heaven and hell?
      Dolly the sheep was a .....?
      What is John Scopes claim to fame?
      What investigation have you done to claim the FSM is not the true God?

      February 16, 2013 at 8:53 pm |
    • End Religion

      And there we have it, nice and tidy. Lying right after you said it was wrong to do so. I barely had time to drink my beer.

      February 16, 2013 at 9:00 pm |
    • Topher

      Evening

      "How familiar are you with the Gospel of the FSM?"

      I'm not at all. But I'm not making the claim I know more than the FSM followers.

      "What investigation have you done to claim the FSM is not the true God?"

      Don't need to.

      February 16, 2013 at 9:01 pm |
    • Topher

      Who lied?

      February 16, 2013 at 9:05 pm |
    • TANK!!!!

      "Don't need to."

      Nice.

      February 16, 2013 at 9:07 pm |
    • Evening

      Topher
      A true and correct answer, don't need to. Let Chad know. I did not have to investigate the myth of the Easter Bunny to know it was not real. When someone manages to perform even one of the supernatural claims in your bible I would take it as possible untill then it is just another god myth.

      February 16, 2013 at 9:12 pm |
    • Topher

      Evening

      Poor logic and reasoning. If anyone were able to do one of the miracles, it would not have been a miracle. Only God could do that.

      February 16, 2013 at 9:15 pm |
    • End Religion

      It doesn't matter what you believe, the earth is not @6,000-10,000 years old and you know it. You're lying for Jesus. Reprehensible!

      February 16, 2013 at 9:21 pm |
    • Topher

      Same for you. Though if you're just going to dismiss science that supports a young earth position, then that would be more naivity on your part.

      February 16, 2013 at 9:24 pm |
    • Evening

      Poor logic, you are kidding. Your mythical bible makes all these insane supernatural claims of some jew 2000 years ago that can never and will never be proved. You are the one devoid of reason and logic, all you have going for you is faith, that is defined as belief without proof. Unless of course you were dead for some time and have risen again.

      February 16, 2013 at 9:28 pm |
    • Topher

      Evening

      That's kind of subjective, don't you think? I mean, prove to who? I think the evidence for a God is far more compelling than that against. Millions around the world have concluded the same thing. So if you don't find it enough, that's up to you.

      Have a good evening.

      February 16, 2013 at 9:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, look! LiverDoneFailed thinks she has "FACTS." When are you gonna get around to presenting them, you nincompoop? All you've bloviated about thus far is nothing but your beliefs. Just like Gopher, you pretend that you can prove something that you cannot. You weaken your own position by admitting that your faith isn't sufficient and that you need proof.

      Don't bother pis sing on my leg and trying to tell me it's raining, you loser.

      February 16, 2013 at 10:21 pm |
    • TANK!!!!

      "science that supports a young earth position"

      Where is this science that supports a young earth position? There isn't even a testable hypothesis in place and yet there's already an entire SCIENCE? How is this possible? Is this another one of your god's dubious miracles?

      February 16, 2013 at 10:43 pm |
    • Finnagain

      Again with the pissing on the leg thing. It's enough to make me want to pee on your leg in protest. Seriously.

      February 17, 2013 at 12:14 am |
    • Science

      FACTS TOPHER WORK BEST !!!!!!!!!!

      A War Without End, With Earth's Carbon Cycle Held in the Balance

      Feb. 13, 2013 — The greatest battle in Earth's history has been going on for hundreds of millions of years - it isn't over yet - and until now no one knew it existed, scientists reported Feb. 13 in the journal Nature.

      Peace

      February 17, 2013 at 5:56 am |
    • Science

      Oops source
      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130213132323.htm

      February 17, 2013 at 6:00 am |
    • End Religion

      There is no credible science supporting a young earth. Calling it "creation science" is an oxymoron; does not exist; can not happen. It isn't science, it is willful deception. You can be a part of that willful deception but you cannot expect a scrap of respect for it. Shame on you.

      February 18, 2013 at 3:52 am |
  6. Hans

    It really is very easy to have your ip tracked Live4Him. Right now you are coming out of Niagara Falls.

    February 16, 2013 at 5:49 pm |
    • End Religion

      the last IP that was "tracked" and posted as Niagra Falls was actually from Sri Lanka. Aside from that, it is easy to hide an IP if one is so inclined, and it wouldn't be determined without a court order, serious time spent tracking, and participation from foreign countries. Someone's paranoia and obsessiveness has overcome her rationality...

      February 16, 2013 at 6:03 pm |
    • Akira

      No, End Religion, I just know who she is.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:06 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Hans : It really is very easy to have your ip tracked Live4Him. Right now you are coming out of Niagara Falls.

      You should tell our government then. They frequently need to track IP addresses of people posting threats and need to seek the cooperation of the end servers to get that info. You obviously don't know anything about computer networking.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:27 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @End Religion : the last IP that was "tracked" and posted as Niagra Falls was actually from Sri Lanka.

      How would you associate any given IP with my posts? Any idea?

      February 16, 2013 at 6:30 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      True, Live4Him. While CNN can certainly see an IP, someone with nothing to work with other than these pages cannot.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:34 pm |
    • .

      That's funny, I got niagra falls too when I ran it. Yeah, you're coming out if dallas end religion. Probably have a splitter, though.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
    • End Religion

      "How would you associate any given IP with my posts? Any idea?"

      I wouldn't be able to associate an IP with your post as I don't have access to that info. A CNN employee might be able to, however, again, that IP can be anonymized if the originator takes precaution. As with much "hacking", etc., the best information is gained from the victim himself.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:45 pm |
    • .

      Wrong. Journalists can.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:49 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Tom, Tom, the Other One : True, Live4Him. While CNN can certainly see an IP, someone with nothing to work with other than these pages cannot.

      That's what I've been trying to point out to these people. Arika admits she doesn't work for CNN, hasn't been to my house, etc. but STILL claims that she has my IP and that she knows who I am.

      @End Religion : I wouldn't be able to associate an IP with your post as I don't have access to that info. A CNN employee might be able to, however, again, that IP can be anonymized if the originator takes precaution.

      Correct. Now, if I sent you an email, or you had access to my computer, then you could determine my identity. But, if you had THAT, you'd already know me.

      HOPEFULLY, your two posts will end Arika's charade – but I doubt it.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:52 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Tom, Tom, the Other One : True, Live4Him. While CNN can certainly see an IP, someone with nothing to work with other than these pages cannot.

      Quick addendum: The server these blogs are stored on. You cannot get the info from the pages as displayed on your computer, but the server that has communicated with my computer will have this info.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:55 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      I'm intrigued. My IP is static and I should be quite easy to find. Anyone?

      February 16, 2013 at 7:13 pm |
    • End Religion

      Static IP might tell them more about the owner of that IP if privacy is not enabled with one's provider, but that may not actually be YOU. It may be your company, or your family, or whatever entity.

      Dynamic IP, which is MUCH more common especially from a home, might tell them a region or city. My IP generally shows a region that is not actually my city.

      February 16, 2013 at 7:22 pm |
    • Evening

      TTOP
      Me too. I have four or more IP's, 2 at home and at least 2 at work, more if I use different computers. So Hans the challenge is identify the location of the home IP and the work location IP, they are different.

      February 16, 2013 at 7:22 pm |
    • IP Freely

      Can someone get me a Brawndo over here? It's got electrolytes!

      February 16, 2013 at 8:07 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Depending on where you live, I.P. address privacy is non-existent or dodgy at best.
      For the moment, using a VPN is the least you can do to get some degree of anonymity.

      February 16, 2013 at 9:33 pm |
    • Akira

      Doc: she isn't associated with a VPN. And thank you.

      No charade on MY part.

      February 16, 2013 at 10:31 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Doc Vestibule : Depending on where you live, I.P. address privacy is non-existent or dodgy at best.

      A VPN doesn't hide the the IP address, but rather encrypts the data until it is inside the company's own network. IP addresses are not private at all. The issue is how to relate a specific IP address to a given individual (i.e. Live4Him). It can be done – but only under three conditions: 1) have access to the origination computer, 2) have access to the destination computer, have all the internet traffic for a full year stored on a single computer and a high-end computer to sort through all the traffic after a piece of traffic has been identifed. The last one is only hypothetical, so it shouldn't count.

      Live4Him : HOPEFULLY, your two posts will end Arika's charade – but I doubt it.
      Akira : No charade on MY part.

      You proved my point – you will continue to lie, lie and lie some more.

      February 17, 2013 at 2:15 pm |
    • Arnold Horschak

      Ooh! Ooh! *raises hand*
      So what city am I posting from? Go ahead and tell me. I might be surprised, or not.
      Or the internet provider I am using. Show me,pls!

      February 17, 2013 at 2:24 pm |
    • Really-O?

      No need to break this down based on who knows what they're talking about and who does not – suffice to say, internet IP addresses are assigned by ISPs. Without access to an ISPs logs, identifying a dynamic IP address is meaningless. Identifying a static IP address makes it easy to identify the network from which packets originated (most LANs currently use DHCP). That said, unless you have the subpoena powers of the F.B.I. or N.S.A., determining a dynamic originating IP address is next to meaningless.

      February 17, 2013 at 2:37 pm |
    • Really-O?

      Much of what I posted was poorly articulated, sorry; however, the takeaway is simple –

      Unless you have the subpoena powers of the F.B.I. or N.S.A., determining an originating IP address is next to meaningless.

      February 17, 2013 at 2:56 pm |
  7. Observer

    For Live4Him and anyone else who hasn't read all of the Bible:

    – Deuteronomy 33:17 “His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of UNICORNS"
    – Isaiah 34:7 “And the UNICORNS shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls.”
    – Job 39:9-10 “Will the UNICORN be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib? Canst thou bind the UNICORN with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?”
    – Numbers 23:22 “God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an UNICORN.”
    – Numbers 24:8 “God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an UNICORN"
    – Psalm 22:21 “Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.”
    – Psalm 29:6 “He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young UNICORN.”
    – Psalm 92:10 “But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an UNICORN: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.”

    "No unicorns in the Bible" - Live4Him

    February 16, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
    • Jerry Fallswell

      Those passages are translated from Hebrew. English, in those instances misinterpreted English is not the original language. The KJV translated in English in the 1600's pays homage to the British King who commissioned the work. The lion and the unicorn represent England. Only a complete moron would assume like that without checking the original language.

      February 16, 2013 at 5:40 pm |
    • Observer

      Jerry Fallswell,

      Speaking of MORONS, you are saying no one should accept anything in the Bible without checking the original language.

      Bright. OOOPS.

      February 16, 2013 at 5:44 pm |
    • End Religion

      My bible has this:
      – Deuteronomy 33:17 “His glory is like the fisting of his buttocks, and he's horny like the horny UNICORNY"

      February 16, 2013 at 5:45 pm |
    • Jerry Fallswell

      Since the original language of the Old Testament is Hebrew and is not easily translated into English it would be wise to check the original language before making outrageous claims about unicorns, etc.
      Deut 33:17 In majesty he is like a firstborn bull; his horns are the horns of a wild ox...
      Deut 33:17 Q. firstborn ox citrus him, and rays Rams horns- which people actually butt together, zero – the land, and tens of thousands of Ephraim, and they are thousands of {Manasseh {S = literal interpretation of the Hebrew one version.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:08 pm |
    • Observer

      Jerry Fallswell,

      "Since the original language of the Old Testament is Hebrew and is not easily translated into English it would be wise to check the original language before making claims about" the Bible. Wise? You said they are "complete morons".

      Well done. So no Christians should believe it without doing their own translation from Hebrew? You just can't trust what you read in the King James Bible, apparently.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:16 pm |
    • Hans

      You Mr. Roem know all about ips. You have several of them and have been relentless in your trolling and stalking of others. How is Reston today or is it Dallas or perhaps Columbus, maybe London.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:19 pm |
    • Jerry Fallswell

      Are you just learning that? You do realize how different and difficult Hebrew is, there are some words that are literally unknown even to modern Hebrew scholars.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:20 pm |
    • Jerry Fallswell

      Observer
      in all honesty it was you I thought was a complete moron. Sorry you missed that.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:22 pm |
    • Observer

      Jerry Fallswell,

      lol. I'm not the moron who thinks people shouldn't believe what the Bible says unless they know Hebrew and can translate it.

      Well done. Bright.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:26 pm |
    • .

      The various versions translate it as a "strong ox" or "strong bull". However, the 21st Century KJV still has it as "unicorn".

      February 16, 2013 at 6:27 pm |
    • Jerry Fallswell

      No you're the moron because you made claims that do not stand up under close examination. In your case poorly done.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:28 pm |
    • Observer

      Jerry Fallswell,

      Since someone would have to be a "complete moron" to believe what the King James Bible says without translating it themselves from Hebrew, which, if any, Bible can be TRUSTED to be accurate?

      February 16, 2013 at 6:31 pm |
    • Jerry Fallswell

      .
      A literal translation of the Hebrew was already offered, there is no mention of unicorn at all. Hebrew is not English.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:33 pm |
    • Observer

      Jerry Fallswell,

      So when the Bible talks about serpents and mules that speak human language, can we trust it?

      Which Bible can be TRUSTED, if any?

      February 16, 2013 at 6:35 pm |
    • Jerry Fallswell

      When you know what is being said the entire Bible can be trusted it is the Word of God. Your problem is you are seeking to discredit the Bible based on the lies of others in your peer group. Hating God is poor motivation for serious Bible study.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:35 pm |
    • Observer

      Jerry Fallswell,

      Still stumped?

      If you'd have to be a "complete moron" to trust the King James Bible, which one can you TRUST?

      February 16, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Observer : For Live4Him and anyone else who hasn't read all of the Bible:

      "Jerry Fallswell" (regardless if this poster is the real Jerry) is actually correct with his statements on Hebrew vs English. If you know two languages, you should know that concepts don't always translate well between the two. Second, the Hebrew word is : reym { rame}, which has the following note.

      1) probably the great aurochs or wild bulls which are now extinct. The exact meaning is not known.

      Strong, J. (1996). The exhaustive concordance of the Bible : Showing every word of the test of the common English version of the canonical books, and every occurence of each word in regular order. (electronic ed.) (H7214). Ontario: Woodside Bible Fellowship.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:41 pm |
    • Jerry Fallswell

      No I am not stumped you were already answered. The entire Bible can be trusted it is the Word of God. I will not continue to repeat myself with you.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      the unicorns thing is humorous, but on a more serious note, the bible is obviously false and presents a god who is too inconsistent to even be postulated as a possible, actual being. As a book of collected myths that evolved and melted together over time, the bible is somewhat interesting, but it's obviously got no magic or universal truth.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:45 pm |
    • Observer

      Live4Him,

      You are saying that after HUNDREDS of years, the King James Bible is still WRONG and can't be completely trusted. Don't Christians CARE about the TRUTH?

      It contains words that you don't think are in there .

      February 16, 2013 at 6:46 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Observer : If you'd have to be a "complete moron" to trust the King James Bible, which one can you TRUST?

      You cannot trust the KJV – and wouldn't if you knew the history behind the translation.

      This version was made from a medieval text containing a number of scribal errors, rather than from original manuscripts. At the time, it was the best they had because the Catholic Church refused to let the Protestants have original manuscripts. Second, it was one of the earliest attempts to translate words from the original language into English, made by people who struggled with the original languages. Once the rift between the Catholics and the Protestants was resolved, and as they worked with other with greater understanding of the original languages, better translations became available.

      Of the modern translations, the NASB and the NIV tend to be the most accurate, the former for a word-by-word translation and the latter for a phrase translation.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
    • Observer

      Jerry Fallswell,

      The King James Bible contains LIES. Thanks for your verification.

      We already knew it anyway.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Observer : The King James Bible contains LIES. Thanks for your verification.

      Read my post before jumping to conclusions.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:56 pm |
    • .

      @Jerry Fallswell, I was adding to the conversation...merely pointing something out. Calm down, there, mmmmmmkay? I KNOW it's not hebrew, never said anything about Hebrew, only other translations, and that the newst version has unicorns in it still. Sheesh!

      February 16, 2013 at 11:10 pm |
    • lol??

      KJV and issues, one easy one page look:.............http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/kjvdebat.html

      February 17, 2013 at 7:35 am |
    • lol??

      from wiki, "...........Unicorns are not found in Greek mythology, but rather in accounts of natural history, for Greek writers of natural history were convinced of the reality of the unicorn, which they located in India, a distant and fabulous realm for them................" One or more would think the naturalists would be arguing FOR the unicorn. 'Specially from a Greek point of view.

      February 17, 2013 at 7:58 am |
    • lol??

      Whatsa matter? Unicorn bigots?? Learned yer naturalism from saturday morning cartoons or walt disney and da mouse?? bigots

      February 17, 2013 at 10:58 am |
  8. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    I await your response "Live4Him"

    February 16, 2013 at 5:20 pm |
  9. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    This is Live4Him, where did I ever say that I believed in evolution, Mary,

    February 16, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
  10. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Live4Him just go away Mary. You are of no consequence.

    February 16, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
  11. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Live4Him is Mary of Rochester NY. Anything she says is a lie. Beware.

    February 16, 2013 at 2:02 pm |
    • Akira

      Well, hell, I knew that!

      February 16, 2013 at 2:07 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Akira : Well, hell, I knew that!

      And yet still afraid to meet. :)

      BTW – Charlotte just got our first snow of the season. I was beautiful. Won't last though, it's been too warm for it to stick around. Still, we got about 2 inches. You ought to come for a visit and see for yourself!

      February 16, 2013 at 4:55 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ : Live4Him is Mary of Rochester NY.

      Well, you DO believe in evolution, so it's not surprising that you believe this lie too.

      February 16, 2013 at 4:57 pm |
    • Live4Him

      Correction : I was beautiful
      It was beautiful.

      February 16, 2013 at 4:57 pm |
    • Live4Him

      Well, nothing is going on, so I'm heading back out.

      February 16, 2013 at 5:01 pm |
    • Akira

      Lol. I'm not afraid to meet you. I never have been.
      Give me your address, unless you are afraid to.
      Btw, I, also, can make up a completely fictitious biography, and look up the weather in the city my ficti/itous biography says I'm from.
      I choose not to lie about myself or my background.

      February 16, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
    • Live4Him

      Akira : Give me your address, unless you are afraid to

      I'm not giving any stranger my address. I'll be glad to meet at a local restaurant.

      February 16, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
    • Akira

      *you're

      February 16, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Akira : I'll be glad to meet at a local restaurant.

      Afraid to take me up on the offer, huh?

      February 16, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Akira

      Well, we've almost got 3 inches of snow now. But there's no snow on the roads, so we can still meet at a restaurant. You can even meet my spouse.

      February 16, 2013 at 5:28 pm |
    • Akira

      Lol. As I thought.
      Get on Yelp and find that 'local' restaurant.
      Pick your restaurant in you Niagra Falls area; that's where you're posting from, RIGHT NOW.

      February 16, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Akira : Pick your restaurant in you Niagra Falls area; that's where you're posting from, RIGHT NOW.

      Not my neck of the woods. However, at a restaurant that I visit a couple of times a month, I can give you:

      1) A manager's name
      2) A bartender's name
      3) A waitress' name

      I don't think that you can get that info from Yelp.

      February 16, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
    • Akira

      It is quite easy for you to assume that I'm in the Charlotte area, also, hmmm? I'm not.
      I'm also not near the area you actually live in: Rochester, NY.
      Of course you would assert that I am somehow afraid of you; that is what liars and intellectually dishonest cowards would do.
      I'm not.
      Supposing I was: you would name a restaurant, I would show up, you wouldn't.
      The next post you would make is that you were unfortunately detained by some manufactured emergency.
      Please. Get over yourself.

      February 16, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Akira : It is quite easy for you to assume that I'm in the Charlotte area, also, hmmm? I'm not.

      Of course not! Otherwise I wouldn't have offered to buy you a meal! :)

      @Akira : Of course you would assert that I am somehow afraid of you; that is what liars and intellectually dishonest cowards would do.

      It's not just you on this forum. I'd be revealing it to anyone on the forum – not exactly safe, now is it?

      @Akira : Supposing I was: you would name a restaurant, I would show up, you wouldn't.

      You're pretty good at coming up with excuses. Do you do this often?

      @Akira : Please. Get over yourself.

      Hey, it's not ME who is claiming to know the other person's identity. Your ego is overinflated. You're not God's gift to mankind. You're just someone who needs to inflate your ego by claiming you know more than you do.

      BTW – You obviously don't have friends down in this area either – else you would have worked it out with them to go in your place.

      February 16, 2013 at 5:47 pm |
  12. Live4Him

    DETERMINING TRUTH

    Well, its a new week so it's time for a new topic to be discussed. This week, we'll be discussing how to

    determine the truth about any topic – especially the metaphysical. First, I'll define truth and then move into

    historical methods for determining truth. Each of these methods were found to be lacking in some area. Last,

    I'll give my opinion on the best method for determining truth.

    Facts, Beliefs, and Truth

    Fact – That which all sides agree upon
    Belief – That which there is no agreement between the parties
    Truth – That which the facts point toward

    Relying upon authority

    Some of the common sources of authority are 1) Sovereign, Government; 2) Teachers, Pope, Pastors; 3) Books,

    Newspapers, TV, Internet, Magazines, Scientific Journals; 4) Scientific authority, Scientific Journals. Each of

    these have their own flaws. Some groups will eschew one group, only to rely heavily upon another group of

    authority figures. For example, Christians will typically rely upon pastors/priests to give them the Biblical

    truth, while Atheists will rely upon scientists and scientific journals to give them the scientific truth. Both

    of these groups have the same underlying flaw – they don't want to have to research the material and think about

    the facts themselves.

    Rationalism – Logic and Reason determines truth

    After rejecting authority figures, philosophers next turned to rastionalization. Rationalists recognized the

    fact that human beings were capable of misidentifying an experience, which would then lead them astray in the

    quest for truth. For example, a person who is cold could place their hand into ice cold water, only to jerk it

    back because it is too hot.

    As such, rationalism attempts to eliminate experience from the quest for truth. Eventually, rationalism failed

    because of their success in this quest. Philosophers finally concluded that it is impossible to construct truth

    by starting from just concepts and apriori conclusions, without validating that their theories match their

    experiences.

    Empiricism – Truth is determined from observations only

    After rejecting rationalism, philosophers next turned to empiricism – i.e. the pendalum swung to the opposite

    direction. Empiricist soon realized that this method didn't work either. For example, one cannot determine the

    area of a triangle from one measurement. So, one cannot construct maps of reality unless all the evidence is

    available. Yet, at times, even this is not enough. All of us have heard of the old cliche' where the CEO has his

    secretary (with whom he is having an affair) send his wife roses on Valentine's Day professing his undying love

    for his wife. Yet, some men who DO love their wife will send roses to their wife. Similar evidence is signs of

    love, but is not conclusive. So, how does one determine love from just observations? One cannot do so.

    A Better method

    I would suggest that a better method would be as follows:

    1) Logical The truth must be logically consistent internally and externally.
    2) Empirical The truth must be supported by sufficient empirical evidence, cannot ignore any empirical

    evidence and cannot falsify supporting evidence.
    3) Explanitory The truth must explain all the relevant issues, not just some of them.
    4) Relevant The truth must be relevant to the individual hearing or seeking the truth.

    February 16, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Live4Him –

      Lordy, lordy, lordy. You really are one pompous, bombastic, narcissist!

      Have I made your "ignore list"?

      February 16, 2013 at 1:31 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      TLDR

      February 16, 2013 at 1:31 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Live4Him –

      And, by the way, weeks start on Sunday.

      February 16, 2013 at 1:32 pm |
    • Damocles

      Priceless! You get to define truth and then we discuss it only on your terms? I'm having a hard time seeing my screen because of all the tears of laughter.

      February 16, 2013 at 1:36 pm |
    • Damocles

      @really

      Psht, c'mon, you should know by now weeks start whenever l4h needs them to start.

      February 16, 2013 at 1:39 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      So you want the final say so on what is and is not "metaphysical truth?" How surprising.

      February 16, 2013 at 1:40 pm |
    • OTOH

      It looks like Professor/Pastor Live4Him is under the impression that he is conducting his own seminar here!

      February 16, 2013 at 1:40 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Live4Him –

      Well, so far, not the response you had hoped for, eh?

      February 16, 2013 at 1:43 pm |
    • Damocles

      Next, we will talk about this *holds it up* but only I get to define what it is, where it came from and the value that it holds over each and every person's life. Now, you may choose not to believe in this, but you would be oh so very wrong in not believing in this and your eternal Refargas (that's what we, who believe in this, call our eternal spark) shall be forever in jeopardy.

      I'll even throw in a quote from our holy book:

      Believer 1:1 This is all you need.

      February 16, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
    • Akira

      Damocles, I have seen her post her "new week" garbage on Thurdays.

      February 16, 2013 at 1:48 pm |
    • Damocles

      @Akira

      I can't be sure and I don't want to be telling tales out of school and whatnot, but I think I saw her start a new week two days in a row.

      February 16, 2013 at 1:50 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Well, to be fair, some weeks just go by so FAST.

      February 16, 2013 at 1:52 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son, Damocles, Moby Schtick, OTOH, Akira –

      Apparently we all wear the "L4Him Ignore List" badge of honor. HOORAH!

      February 16, 2013 at 1:53 pm |
    • Akira

      What's up with the awkward 3-line structure?
      Is this supposed to be some epic poem?
      Horrible vanity-driven drivel.

      February 16, 2013 at 1:55 pm |
    • Damocles

      @mid

      So very true!

      @l4h

      Stop sniffing your fingers and get to typing what your version of the truth is.

      February 16, 2013 at 1:57 pm |
    • Akira

      Really-O, another piece of vanity-driven drivel that made me laugh hysterically.
      She really should buy a diary.

      February 16, 2013 at 1:59 pm |
    • Damocles

      @really

      Say it ain't so! I'm gonna cry.... oh wait, just a speck of dirt in my eye.

      @akira

      Maybe it's a song? That's one hell of a chorus though.

      February 16, 2013 at 1:59 pm |
    • Akira

      Damocles:
      No, you are correct; she did start a new week two days in a row. Too lazy to even update one line in her c/p.

      And if this is a song, it's as bad as some of the "tests" she gives out on a regular basis.

      February 16, 2013 at 2:04 pm |
    • Damocles

      Good thing I've got some Volbeat to pass the time waiting to see what the truth is.

      February 16, 2013 at 2:08 pm |
    • Science

      Facts are truth L4H and no reply needed as I know I am on the ignore list Note 100's of millions of years !

      A War Without End,

      With Earth's Carbon Cycle Held in the Balance

      Feb. 13, 2013 — The greatest battle in Earth's history has been going on for hundreds of millions of years - it isn't over yet - and until now no one knew it existed, scientists reported Feb. 13 in the journal Nature.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130213132323.htm

      February 16, 2013 at 2:15 pm |
    • .

      I'd like to see Live4Him post any of her bullshit on any science or philiosophy blog and watch the fallout from her constantly refuted ideas. Her ego has landed.

      February 16, 2013 at 2:22 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      I guess what Live4Him wants is a finite, even small, list of things that, if satisfied, will allow him to promote his claims to true statements. I'd like to have that too, and a time machine and free passes to all of the Who concerts past present and future.

      February 16, 2013 at 2:23 pm |
    • Damocles

      @TTOO

      Oh, I'm so down for some time travel!

      February 16, 2013 at 2:26 pm |
    • Damocles

      It's 2:32pm my time, do you know where your Truth has gone?

      February 16, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
    • End Religion

      There seems to be a slight problem early in the post... "Fact – That which all sides agree upon"

      February 16, 2013 at 2:45 pm |
    • Really-O?

      Wow...apparently Live4Him isn't invited to her own party. That's a bit sad.

      February 16, 2013 at 2:47 pm |
    • Damocles

      @ER

      Well, if you look at #4 down at the bottom, she leaves herself the escape route of claiming only those who seek the truth will be able to understand the truth. Typical 'you haven't done all the research so you can't possibly understand.'

      February 16, 2013 at 2:50 pm |
    • Akira

      She also left this out for herself, which you know she will claim:

      Empirical: The truth must be supported by sufficient empirical evidence, cannot ignore any empirical evidence and cannot falsify supporting evidence.

      I have the feeling this is a rough draft anyway; she is probably reading these comments and editing as needed. I have the feeling we haven't seen the last of this.

      February 16, 2013 at 3:02 pm |
    • Damocles

      @akira

      Maybe I'm missing something, but how can the truth falsify the information leading to the truth? 'Oh we have all this evidence that brings us to this conclusion, but it's a false conclusion and so the evidence is false as well.' Maybe that's her weird exit strategy when confronted by scientific evidence.

      February 16, 2013 at 3:08 pm |
    • .

      She plagarized this whole thing. Dihonest twat.

      February 16, 2013 at 3:12 pm |
    • Akira

      Damocles:
      I read it as her 'get out of jail free card.'
      I suspect you are correct.
      Pretty easy to dismiss something when she is the one setting the "rules" in the first place.
      Pretty slick, and dishonest, if you ask me.

      February 16, 2013 at 3:19 pm |
    • Damocles

      @akira

      I guess a new week shall dawn rather soon.

      February 16, 2013 at 3:26 pm |
    • End Religion

      Yeah I read this "Fact – That which all sides agree upon" as one of possibly a few "get out of jail free cards". All she has to say is "I don't agree" and it becomes a non-fact, to which she can then say "it's in the bible so it is a fact." Just typical stuff.

      I find it so interesting that Chad and Lie4It go to such lengths to construct these creaky, airy, lumbering arguments that invariably end up leaning on "the bible says so and/or I *know* it is true". It's as if on one hand they understand the absurdity and so try to dress it up in other ways.

      February 16, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Also relying on something only they have: access to facts about God by "spiritual apprehension" as opposed to proof.

      February 16, 2013 at 3:40 pm |
    • TANK!!!!

      More nonsense from Stupid4Him.

      February 16, 2013 at 3:47 pm |
    • Science

      L4H

      The bible is as crooked as the pope maybe this is proof.

      Pope will have security, immunity by remaining in the Vatican.

      http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/15/us-pope-resignation-immunity-idUSBRE91E0ZI20130215

      Do not pass go.

      February 16, 2013 at 4:01 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Really-O? : Well, so far, not the response you had hoped for, eh?

      Exactly what I expected. Senseless drivel.

      @Akira : Damocles, I have seen her post her "new week" garbage on Thurdays.

      Nope. It is always on Friday or Saturday when I have more free time.

      @Tom, Tom, the Other One : I guess what Live4Him wants is a finite, even small, list of things that, if satisfied, will allow him to promote his claims to true statements.

      What I'd really like is some civil discourse.

      @Damocles : It's 2:32pm my time, do you know where your Truth has gone?

      Why stick around for the childish posts? I can come back later and review to see if any are worth entering into a debate.

      Damocles : Maybe I'm missing something, but how can the truth falsify the information leading to the truth?

      Actual truth is never falsified. Only artifical truth can be falsified.

      @End Religion : construct these creaky, airy, lumbering arguments that invariably end up leaning on "the bible says so and/or I *know* it is true".

      Actually, if you reread my post, it eliminates all authority until that authority is proven accurate and only as long as that authority is proven accurate.

      February 16, 2013 at 4:50 pm |
    • Observer

      Live4Him,

      "1) Logical The truth must be logically consistent internally and externally.
      2) Empirical The truth must be supported by sufficient empirical evidence, cannot ignore any empirical evidence and cannot falsify supporting evidence.
      3) Explanitory The truth must explain all the relevant issues, not just some of them.
      4) Relevant The truth must be relevant to the individual hearing or seeking the truth."

      Since the Bible is eliminated by those criteria, what is your idea of truth?

      February 16, 2013 at 5:06 pm |
    • clarity

      Gullible4Him's previous posts regularly fail at #3 on this "Better Method" so I don't know why she bothers to highlight something that she fails at each time.

      February 16, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
    • Live4Him

      Live4Him : it eliminates all authority until that authority is proven accurate and only as long as that authority is proven accurate.
      @Observer : Since the Bible is eliminated by those criteria, what is your idea of truth?

      Try reading it again. The Bible isn't eliminated, but is only trusted as long as it hasn't been proven false. Again, my idea of truth is : Logical, Empirical, Explanitory and Relevant.

      February 16, 2013 at 5:18 pm |
    • Observer

      clarity,

      Her logic has already failed twice before she gets to #3. Three strikes and you're out.

      February 16, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Observer : Her logic has already failed twice before she gets to #3. Three strikes and you're out.

      Easy to claim, now prove it. What's your evidence?

      February 16, 2013 at 5:21 pm |
    • Observer

      Live4Him,

      Try reading the Bible sometime yourself. Then try to use EMPIRICAL evidence that unicorns existed and that serpents and mules can speak human languages.

      Get serious.

      February 16, 2013 at 5:22 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Observer : Try reading the Bible sometime yourself.

      I go thru it once a year. And you????

      @Observer : Then try to use EMPIRICAL evidence that unicorns existed and that serpents and mules can speak human languages.

      Yep, never picked up a Bible in your life. No unicorns in the Bible. But, dinosaurs ARE mentioned. Are they imaginary too?

      February 16, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
    • clarity

      Well for you next argument for Christianity, L4H, I would love to see how long it takes before you deviate from the "Better method" if you'd like to try that. lol.

      February 16, 2013 at 5:38 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @clarity : Well for you next argument for Christianity, L4H, I would love to see how long it takes before you deviate from the "Better method" if you'd like to try that.

      Next week. And it won't deviate at all. Unlike evolutionists trying to ignore / confuse the dino soft tissue fact.

      February 16, 2013 at 5:49 pm |
    • End Religion

      Mary Schweitzer dino "soft tissue" DNA/biofilm issue.
      10/2012 – Dinosaur Fossils Found with Hot Red Meat?
      http://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/dinosaur-fossils-found-with-hot-red-meat/
      http://www.reasons.org/articles/structure-of-dinosaur-collagen-unravels-the-case-for-a-young-earth (christian old earth web site)

      "Schweitzer’s research has been hijacked by “young earth” creationists"
      http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/dinosaur.html

      "DNA has been recovered, however, from samples much more than 10,000 years old (Poinar et al. 1998), even more than 300,000 years old (Stokstad 2003; Willerslev et al. 2003)."
      http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC371_1.html

      February 16, 2013 at 5:53 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @End Religion : DNA has been recovered, however, from samples much more than 10,000 years old (Poinar et al. 1998), even more than 300,000 years old

      All this AFTER scientific research determined the limit was 10,000 years. Furthermore, it has now MAGICALLY survived for 217 times longer! WOW, miracles never cease! ;)

      February 16, 2013 at 5:57 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      10,000 multiplied by 217 is 300,000? Really? huh

      February 16, 2013 at 6:02 pm |
    • End Religion

      Ah, sorry, Lie4It, I thought you were aware of the concept of advancements in science. FYI, the age of the planet and universe has been updated in the last 10-20 years as well, since we have improved upon the science and made more discoveries.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:06 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @End Religion : since we have improved upon the science and made more discoveries.

      By waving a magic wand? I don't think so. Even evolutionists acknowledge that soft tissue doesn't conform to their theory.

      @Moby Schtick : 10,000 multiplied by 217 is 300,000? Really? huh

      Talk origins is now claiming 300,000, which has magically been adjusted by 217 times to 65 million years. How do they know this? Because the soft tissue survived and since their theory isn't wrong, it must be able to survive longer than the evidence shows.

      65,000,000 / 300,000 = 216.67

      February 16, 2013 at 6:24 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Ah, I see. You have no idea how science works. Carry on, then.

      February 16, 2013 at 6:29 pm |
    • End Religion

      Lie4It, this may help you begin your journey in learning about how science works:
      http://www.si.edu/Kids

      February 16, 2013 at 6:30 pm |
    • Evening

      L4H
      I think I understand, you believe everything written in the bible and everything posted on the christian apologetics web sites and you are com,pelled to deliver this BS as often as posible.

      February 16, 2013 at 7:06 pm |
    • Science

      Craetionist LOST at the Dover Trial Too.

      February 16, 2013 at 7:31 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Evening : I think I understand, you believe everything written in the bible and everything posted on the christian apologetics web sites and you are com,pelled to deliver this BS as often as posible.

      While evolutionists are compelled to get their responses to my posts from Talkorigins and similar sites, I haven't visited any christian apologetics web sites in the last five or more years. Instead, I'd rather use their own sides' websites against their positions.

      What I do is read – a lot. This allows me to sift out the facts from the opinions and the formulate my own response.

      February 16, 2013 at 8:32 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      When I see a post by LiverDoneFailed, I get MEGO syndrome.

      My Eyes Glaze Over.

      February 16, 2013 at 8:34 pm |
    • End Religion

      "This allows me to sift out the facts from the opinions and the formulate my own response"

      This approach has failed you. Start over by visiting the little kiddie site I posted above. Remember this tip: if you ever feel the bible supports something you feel is a fact about the nature of our universe or origins then you're probably on the wrong track.

      February 16, 2013 at 8:36 pm |
    • Damocles

      So I figured I'd come back at 1:26 in the am to see if anything interesting had been posted...... yeah, that'll teach me to hope.

      @l4h

      Look, in all seriousness, your thing about Fact, Belief and Truth are self-defeating. If you see facts as something on which you require ALL sides to agree on, then there are no facts. If you see truth as something relying on facts, then there is no truth. There will always be belief, but that is not always good, nor does it lead to fact (which no one can agree with), or truth (which you have made irrelevant due to the necessities of fact).

      Science will continue to expand as new tools and methodologies are used. Just because science can say 'hey, we found a new way of doing things', that is not your cue to jump in say 'oh, oh, see it has to be a deity.' The only reason you read anything scientific is in the hopes of being able to find any flaw and trying to smugly insert your deity into that flaw.

      February 17, 2013 at 1:26 am |
  13. Red

    Good morning!! GOD IS GREAT!!

    February 16, 2013 at 9:26 am |
    • Righteo

      That is a Muslim phrase, not a Chrisitan one.

      February 16, 2013 at 11:55 am |
    • ..

      Bull I heard that phrase before I ever knew what a Muslim was.

      February 16, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
    • OTOH

      Righteo,
      "GOD IS GREAT"

      That's what they ALL say about their particular supernatural fantasy being.

      Perhaps Muslims have just been louder with it recently.

      February 16, 2013 at 12:30 pm |
    • ME II

      Righteo,
      What's your point? Maybe Red is Muslim.

      February 16, 2013 at 12:32 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Righteo –

      "God is great.
      God is good.
      Thank you for our daily food.
      Amen."

      I can't tell you how many times I repeated that bit of tosh sitting at my "Christian" dining table.

      ...although, my father did shorten it after we were grown to, "For christ's sake, let's eat!"

      February 16, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
    • Damocles

      Oh geez.... a red muslim. We are so doomed.

      February 16, 2013 at 1:52 pm |
    • Akira

      @Really-O,
      I used to hear it as:

      God is great.
      God is good.
      Let us thank him
      For our food.

      This was on Romper Room.

      Damocles: LOL. Yep.

      February 16, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
    • Damocles

      @akira

      I va-guely remember that from the old kindergarten days.

      February 16, 2013 at 2:30 pm |
    • Red

      Do any of you people even have teeth in your mouths. Geez. You say God is Great and a hillbilly convention breaks out. Smh. I'm happy for my son that you all are dying breeds

      February 16, 2013 at 3:13 pm |
    • Damocles

      @red

      Nothing like a person who hopes everyone who doesn't agree with them dies.

      February 16, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
    • Akira

      Red,
      I fail to see how mentioning a prayer I used to see on television makes me a toothless hillbilly.
      That being said, I cordially invite you to go fuck yourself; I'll be happy for your son when you die off.

      February 16, 2013 at 3:43 pm |
    • Freespeak

      I think someone is bored. Yep. Me too. Slow day. Laundry day, nothing clean.

      February 16, 2013 at 3:55 pm |
    • Red

      Obviously, Akira, I was referring to the offensive comments. That's the prayer I use for every meal till this day... @Damocles: I said YOU BIGOTS ARE A DYING BREED. AS IN FACT. I didn't wish death on anyone. Learn how to read... P.S. Akira: You can phvck yourself too b.itch. My son would be lost without me. You don't know him, me or our situation.

      February 16, 2013 at 8:15 pm |
  14. End Religion

    For those who must believe in a god, what if there is indeed a god but his true test, which hasn't been revealed in any faith/book, is whether or not you exercised your free will during your time on the planet to believe in any of the various faiths/books of hate and intolerance that man created? What if the true test were something like: "Here are many versions of false religions to believe in, all of which purport to be based in love yet are clearly awash in hate and violence. Will you blindly follow the men who've told you their religion/book is holy, or will you use your mind to determine that in reality none of them are good? Can you realize that real, virtuous good only comes from your personal decision to practice love without threat of pain? Everyone who is deceived by a 'holy book' will be punished for eternity simply by not being allowed into the afterlife extravaganza."

    February 16, 2013 at 6:36 am |
    • lol??

      You have a corrupt bwain. Blame yer parents.

      February 16, 2013 at 9:01 am |
    • ..

      lol??, you have a corrupt crotch. Blame your gynie.

      February 16, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
  15. 100 million year old crocodile

    For Live 4 Him A lot older than your bible aye.
    1.2 Million Year Old Human Remain Found
    I am still living (the croc)

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=videoseries&w=640&h=390]

    February 16, 2013 at 6:08 am |
  16. Nope is Philip Douglas

    also known as Philip on TJI and the answerman on BB

    February 15, 2013 at 7:30 pm |
    • Akira

      Well, hell, I knew that.

      February 15, 2013 at 8:03 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yes, but how do you know that, Akira? Do I need to do more to protect my identi ty?

      February 15, 2013 at 8:08 pm |

    • The only kind of "trickle-down" that actually works:

      "Douglas" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert" degenerates to:
      "Taskmaster" degenerates to:
      "Ronald Regonzo" degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "nope" degenerates to:
      and many other names, but of course I prefer to refer to this extreme homophobe as
      the disgruntled ex Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. "writer".

      February 15, 2013 at 8:22 pm |

    • and after how many tries the idiot still can't figure out how to post a video. lol.

      February 15, 2013 at 8:24 pm |
    • Akira

      Tom Tom, I left the answer on the other blog. Short answer, no. Because I never knew your identity to begin with.

      February 15, 2013 at 8:33 pm |
    • Akira

      TT, let me clarify: it's always good to be prudent in protecting your identity; that being said, you don't have anything to worry about with me.

      February 15, 2013 at 8:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Thanks, Akira. Let me know if I need to protect myself in some way from anyone else!

      February 15, 2013 at 9:29 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      No fear, TTTPS. You do good work.

      February 15, 2013 at 9:34 pm |
    • Akira

      I agree, TTTOO, she does!

      February 15, 2013 at 10:25 pm |
    • Nope

      I was a serious "Nope" poster for about few posts, and then somebody else took over. Evidently.

      February 15, 2013 at 10:37 pm |
    • ..

      Yeah, you seriously tried to post that stupid video....

      February 15, 2013 at 11:21 pm |
    • ..

      Yea, you seriously tried to post a lame video.

      February 15, 2013 at 11:21 pm |
    • ..

      Pete and repeat.

      February 15, 2013 at 11:23 pm |
  17. Nope

    ,

    February 15, 2013 at 7:06 pm |
    • OpinionTater

      Here's a suggestion: Why don't you just tell us what you want to say? Your posts are FAIL.

      February 15, 2013 at 7:20 pm |
  18. Nope

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kppx4bzfAaE&w=420&h=315]

    February 15, 2013 at 7:02 pm |
  19. Nope

    test tst test testvideo

    February 15, 2013 at 6:40 pm |
  20. Nope
    February 15, 2013 at 6:38 pm |
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