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The pope's mixed legacy with Latino Catholics
Pope Benedict alienated Latino Catholics because of his fierce opposition to a popular movement in Latin America, scholars say.
February 15th, 2013
11:13 AM ET

The pope's mixed legacy with Latino Catholics

By John Blake, CNN

They are the largest group in the Roman Catholic Church, and the next pope might even come from their midst. Yet few have heard how Latino Catholics regard the legacy of Pope Benedict XVI.

For many Latino Catholics, Benedict’s legacy is mixed. They will forever tie him to his fierce opposition to liberation theology, a controversial movement that sought to improve the impoverished lives of Latinos living under oppressive governments.

Benedict, who resigned Monday citing his advancing age, was one of the church’s most visible opponents of liberation theology, a movement that began in Latin America in the 1960s. It mingled Marxist critiques of poverty with an insistence that the church display a “preferential option” for the poor.

Benedict’s view created more distance between priests and the poor people they served, says Jennifer Hughes, a Catholic Church scholar at the University of California, Riverside.

"In Latin America, both as Cardinal Ratzinger and as the pope, Benedict devoted himself to the systematic dismantling of the infrastructure of liberation theology," Hughes says. "During this process, many priests and bishops withdrew from their ministry in the poorest communities.”

Benedict’s opposition to liberation theology was ironic because he shared many of its concerns, others say. He was critical of capitalism and thought that Christian leaders should be concerned with the economic and political liberation of their followers.

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Benedict spoke out against unrestrained capitalism, income inequality and global warming. As recently as December, he said in a speech that Christians should work for a more “equitable sharing of the Earth’s resources.”

“Benedict was a vociferous advocate for the poor and strongly opposed income inequality,” says James Martin, a Jesuit priest and author of “The Jesuit Guide to (Almost) Everything: A Spirituality for Real Life."  “On that mark, he was as progressive as they come.”

Yet Benedict was suspicious of liberation theologians because some aligned themselves with political movements that sought to overthrow repressive governments in Latin America, other historians say.

The prospect of the church aligning itself with political movements alarmed Benedict because of his own upbringing, says Ramon Luzarraga, a religion professor at the University of Dayton in Ohio.  He saw such an alliance between church and state destroy his native Germany. Catholic and Protestant leaders help put Hitler in power, Luzarraga says.

“Liberation theologians are comfortable working with government and political parties on the left while Benedict is more comfortable remaining neutral,” Luzarraga says.

Benedict’s impact on Latin America is important because the region will shape much of the church’s future. Latino Catholics are the largest group in the Catholic Church. Latin America's Catholics make up 39% of the world’s Catholic population, according to the Pew Research Center.

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Latin America is also home to the two most populous Catholic countries: Brazil and Mexico (the U.S. has the fourth-largest Catholic population), the Pew Center found.

Even without Benedict’s opposition to liberation theology, more Latino Catholics are drifting away from the Vatican, another scholar says.

Under Pope Benedict, a growing number of Latino Catholics were no longer regarding the Vatican’s teaching as an important element in their faith, says Michele Dillon, a sociology professor at the University of New Hampshire.

Latino Catholics traditionally believe the church should give more emphasis to social justice rather than issues such as abortion and contraception, Dillon says. A majority of Latino Catholics favor same-sex marriage and women’s ordination, she says.

“As Hispanic Catholics in the U.S achieve upward mobility, they may become a little more conservative on social justice and concern for the poor,” Dillon says, “but currently many of the issues that are especially important to Catholics in Latin America are also very important to Hispanic Catholics in the U.S.”

At the same time, Latino Catholics are also drifting away from liberation theology, says Carl Raschke, a religion professor at the University of Denver.

The theology is now perceived more as a Western intellectual movement that does not understand the revival of spirituality among indigenous people in Latin America, Raschke says.

“Liberation theology is for the most part out of favor in Latin America because it has been largely deemed by indigenous people as increasingly irrelevant,” Raschke says.

Pentecostal-flavored religion, not liberation theology, is now sweeping Latin America, says Daniel Ramirez, a religion professor at the University of Michigan.

“Although they [liberation theologians] talked about the option for the poor, the poor ultimately opted for Pentecostalism,” Ramirez says.

The Vatican can bridge some of the distance with Latino Catholics with one dramatic action, some scholars say.

If the next pope is Latino, the impact will be epic, says Luzarraga.

“It would be the same effect as [Pope] John Paul II had on Polish people,” Luzarraga says. “”It would be an announcement to the world that Latino Catholics have finally come into their own.”

- CNN Writer

Filed under: Bishops • Catholic Church • Christianity • Church • Mass • Pope • Pope Benedict XVI • Pope John Paul II • Same-sex marriage • South America • Vatican

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  1. Red

    Sorry Mr. Science, everytime I state my views, it doesn't post. I'd love to reply, I just can't. If I write more than five sentences, it won't go through.

    February 17, 2013 at 1:38 pm |
    • Helpful Hints

      Red,

      See the hints on the previous page (#3).

      February 17, 2013 at 1:44 pm |
    • End Religion

      its the words, not the amount. look for hidden naughty words like document contains "cum" so it won't go through unless you know magic.

      February 17, 2013 at 1:45 pm |
    • Afternoon

      A slow learner or willful ignorance. Check out helpful hints if you are genuine in your wish to comment.

      February 17, 2013 at 1:46 pm |
    • Red

      @Afternoon: I'm definitely not a slow learner, just a busy parent. Sorry I can't meet your demands. I just post. All of the other stuff can only be done when I have the time.... I'm not using any naughty words. It's just a regular response. No insults or swears. I'll go to the other page and try to figure out what you're talking about. I have a four year old that can probably figure it out. I'm not into the whole computer thing. I'm not old, but old fashioned and enjoyed the 20th century very much.

      February 17, 2013 at 2:01 pm |
    • ..

      This explains a lot. Living in the 50's.

      February 17, 2013 at 2:03 pm |
    • Red

      I was born in 1977. Go take a nap. Nothing wrong with old fashioned. Old school is the best school.

      February 17, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Red, if you simply check the list of "forbidden" letter combinations (it's not words), then you would be able to post whatever your little heart desires. But if you need to feel special and singled out by bad, automated censor, then you go right on ahead.

      February 17, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
    • Red

      @tullah:Where's the forbidden letter list at. I'm new on here. I didn't have to do any of this on all of the countless sports blogs I'm on. I'm not familiar with a forbidden letter list. ESPN doesn't have nonsense like that.

      February 17, 2013 at 2:45 pm |
    • Science

      Above for Red

      February 17, 2013 at 2:51 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Helpful hint already told you where it is - page 3

      February 17, 2013 at 2:52 pm |
    • Red

      @tallulah: Do you believe in God? I was just wondering. I couldn't imagine an atheist having a screen name that has the word Allah in it. That's a toxic word in the world today isn't it? I couldn't help but notice.

      February 17, 2013 at 2:54 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Where the hell do you see "allah" in "tallulah'?

      February 17, 2013 at 3:00 pm |
    • OTOH

      "Red" is "der" spelled backwards:

      "der ":

      "a person of extreme stupidity"

      http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=der

      February 17, 2013 at 3:00 pm |
    • ..

      Red, are you a fucking moron? I didn't say you were born in the 50's, I said you were living in it, or whatever idealized time your little delusion is. Pound sand up your ass, idiot.

      February 17, 2013 at 3:07 pm |
    • Apatheist

      @.. "...pound sand up your ass..." lol!

      February 17, 2013 at 5:40 pm |
    • Apatheist

      @... hahahaha, I sincerely cannot stop laughing...

      February 17, 2013 at 5:42 pm |
    • Red

      Where do I see the word Allah? A-L-L-A-H. Those letters are in that name whether you see them or not you inbred..... And what's wrong with the 50's? People actually had morals and used their minds and imaginations. Go shhit in your hands and clap ya nasty asz hillbilly...If der means dumb that's fine. It's a screen name, not my name. Go back down in your basement and finish your snake worshiping ritual.

      February 17, 2013 at 6:28 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, brother. So any name that has the letters a, l, and h = Allah?

      What brand of retard are you?

      February 17, 2013 at 6:30 pm |
    • End Religion

      Red, do many members of your family chew tobacco?

      February 17, 2013 at 6:34 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And what the fvck do you think you "know" about the 50s, you ass waffle? I was ALIVE during the 50s. You weren't. Get bent with your "Happy Days" version of that time period, bozo. You don't have a clue what you're vomiting up here.

      The 50s were hardly an idyllic time and if you think people were more "moral" then, you're an idiot. They weren't any more "moral" then than they were in the 20s, or the 40s, or now.

      People fvck, eat, sh!t, and die, just like they have since man walked upright. Stop pretending that the 50s were some paradise, nincompoop. You're uneducated and stupid.

      February 17, 2013 at 6:35 pm |
    • OTOH

      Red,

      Tallulah13 is just this poster's screen name also. As I recall, it was derived from the name of her pet cat.

      Anyway, the name Tallulah has nothing to do with Allah:

      "Tallulah \t(a)-llu-lah\ as a girl's name is of Native American Indian origin, and the meaning of Tallulah is "leaping water". Related to the Choctaw word for water, "oka". The Choctaws lived near the Tallulah waterfall, which derives its name from the Hitchiti (Creek) Indian word for "town". The name also possibly derives from a Gaelic name meaning "fruitful woman."

      Read more at http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Tallulah#A8oBGxkZJBJhEcXy.99

      February 17, 2013 at 6:37 pm |
    • Red

      Why don't you try reading the original post? Retard? Because I asked him why those letters were in his screen name if he's atheist? It's a legitimate question. I didn't say anything about his name= anything dumb asz.

      February 17, 2013 at 6:38 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Good grief, but you're a moron. Tallulah is a female name. Have you never heard of Tallulah Bankhead? Look her up, idiot. Trying to imply that because a name includes the letters a, l, and h, somehow means that the poster has some connection to "allah" is beyond stupid.

      If you don't like being ridiculed, don't be ridiculous.

      February 17, 2013 at 6:41 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      If you come on here busting people because of their screen names, when you can't even figure out how the blog works or post anything resembling an intelligent thought, don't expect mercy. You don't deserve it and you won't get it.

      February 17, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
    • Richard Hawkins

      tallu+allah in arabic means god is great

      February 17, 2013 at 6:45 pm |
    • ..

      Do people see retarded erectile dysfunction just because your name is Red, you fucking asinine moron?
      Do people automatically call you commie pinko because your name is Red?
      Where you home schooled by your sister mother and breast-fed until you were 12? What the hell is wrong with you?

      Do you NOT comprehend what you read? Tallulah is a woman's NAME, asshole, do you accuse people of being Muslim when their name is Hal because it contains an h, an h, and a l? Is Halle Berry now a secret muslim or atheist? Dolt.
      50 Shades Of Stupid is what you are, moron. You're pathetic. Each post is stupider than the last one.

      February 17, 2013 at 6:53 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      No, it doesn't. But you+a computer+internet access= idiocy.

      February 17, 2013 at 6:55 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Hahhhhahhaha! Fifty shades of stupid! I love it.

      February 17, 2013 at 6:56 pm |
    • Wordsmith

      @Red,

      So, you must see that big whopper right in the middle of the word 'beLIEf' then, huh?

      February 17, 2013 at 7:00 pm |
  2. Red

    @booty: Then don't respond... Since when do you have to be a Christian to belief in God. I'm not Christian, I didn't lie, you're just ignorant and a bigot.

    February 17, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Oh I see, Red. You just came on this blog to be ambiguous and then call names when people can't read your mind. Is that all part of your personal belief system?

      February 17, 2013 at 1:24 pm |
    • clarity

      "Since when do you have to be a Christian to belief in God."

      ??

      February 17, 2013 at 1:29 pm |
    • ..

      Then you're a deist. And I'll remind you that you came on insulting people from the get go. Sounds like you're the bigot.

      February 17, 2013 at 2:06 pm |
    • Jah Jah

      Ooooh, @Red in Florida could be a Rasta mon or queen!

      February 17, 2013 at 2:24 pm |
    • Red

      @jah jah: I'm definitely not a Rasta. Whatever queen means is beyond me but I'm not that either. I would assume that you're both a bigot and a virgin over the age of 40.

      February 17, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
    • Science

      Old family joke which stage is easier?

      A Baby in diapers ?

      or

      B Teenagers ?

      Conclusion both stages are sh-itty !

      Peace

      February 17, 2013 at 2:50 pm |
    • ..

      Red: another moron that doesn't know the meaning of the words he uses.

      February 17, 2013 at 3:17 pm |
  3. Bootyfunk

    the pope and the church will continue on ti's path of irrelevance. here's on in-depth story on the pope by the Onion:

    VATICAN CITY—Citing his advancing age and deteriorating health, Pope Benedict XVI announced his resignation from the papacy Monday, saying he no longer possessed the strength and energy required to lead the Catholic Church backward.

    According to the 85-year-old pontiff, after considerable prayer and reflection on his physical stamina and mental acuity, he concluded that his declining faculties left him unable to helm the Church’s ambitious regressive agenda and guide the faith’s one billion global followers on their steady march away from modernity and cultural advancement.

    “It is with sadness, but steadfast conviction, that I announce I am no longer capable of impeding social progress with the energy and endurance that is required of the highest ministry in the Roman Catholic Church,” Benedict reportedly said in Latin to the Vatican’s highest cardinals. “While I’m proud of the strides the Church has made over the past eight years, from thwarting AIDS-prevention efforts in Africa to failing to punish or even admit to decades of s.exual abuse of children at the hands of clergy, it has become evident to me that, in this rapidly evolving world, I now lack the capacity to continue guiding this faith back centuries.”

    “Thus, I must step down from the papacy,” he added. “But let me assure every member of the Church that the Vatican’s commitment to narrow-mindedness and social obstruction will long live on after my departure.”

    Word of Benedict’s resignation—the first for a sitting pope in nearly 600 years—reportedly stunned the world’s Catholic faithful, many of whom believed the German-born pontiff still had years of stymieing female advancement in Church roles, opposing stem cell research, and inflaming tensions with Jews, Muslims, and Anglicans left in him.

    Other members of the faith, however, said they recognized the Holy Father had, as of late, grown slower and more feeble in his ability to block measures regarding scientific discovery and same-s.ex rights. Many believers expressed appreciation that Benedict recognized his limitations at obstructing society’s advancement, and admitted feeling a sense of excitement that a new pontiff could reinvigorate the faith’s obsolete ideology and guide the Church toward bold social norms unseen since the Middle Ages.

    “I’ll always appreciate what Benedict XVI did for limiting my ability to receive basic health care services,” said devout Catholic Ana Maria Fernández of Buenos Aires. “He was a visionary leader who was undaunted by modern realities and social trends, always vowing to triumph over modern ideals of fairness, equality, and in many cases, even basic human compassion to achieve a darker, far more regressive world for all of us.”

    “I doubt we’ll ever find another leader so committed to reversing society’s natural progression of post-Enlightenment values,” Fernández added. “He will truly be missed.”

    Responding to the widespread outpouring of shock and sadness surrounding his resignation, Benedict issued a brief statement Monday afternoon consoling his followers, assuring them that “the Church’s most ignorant and regressive days still lie ahead of us.”

    February 17, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
    • clarity

      lol. thanks Booty – I needed that today.

      February 17, 2013 at 1:07 pm |
    • Afternoon

      Booty
      Loved it, restored my not so solid faith.

      February 17, 2013 at 1:12 pm |
    • Reality

      Now onto the realities: Part 1

      The reality of se-x, abortion, contraception and STD/HIV control: – from an agnostic guy who enjoys intelligent se-x-

      Note: Some words hyphenated to defeat an obvious word filter. ...

      The Brutal Effects of Stupidity:

      : The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill (8.7% actual failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% actual failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Unfortunately they do not give the statistics for doubling up i.e. using a combination of the Pill and a condom.

      Added information before making your next move:

      from the CDC-2006

      "Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

      And from:

      Consumer Reports, January, 2012

      "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

      Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.

      "Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'" (It should be called the Bill Clinton Syndrome !!)

      Obviously, political leaders in both parties, Planned Parenthood, parents, the "stupid part of the USA" and the educational system have failed miserably on many fronts.

      The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":
      – (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
      – (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)
      Followed by:
      One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
      Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
      The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
      Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
      IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent)

      Every other method ranks below these, including Withdrawal (4.0), Female condom (5.0), Diaphragm (6.0), Periodic abstinence (calendar) (9.0), the Sponge (9.0-20.0, depending on whether the woman using it has had a child in the past), Cervical cap (9.0-26.0, with the same caveat as the Sponge), and Spermicides (18.0).

      February 17, 2013 at 1:25 pm |
    • THE REALIST

      ***************************************************************

      PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING.

      OPEN YOUR EYES AND OPEN YOUR MIND

      ***************************************************************
      ................ GODisIMAGINARY.com (please visit) .......
      ******************** and THANK GOODNESS because ..
      .... he emanates from the EVILbible.com (please visit)
      ***************************************************************

      February 17, 2013 at 2:20 pm |
  4. Red

    May God bless all with a wonderful Sunday.

    February 17, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
    • Science

      Red

      February 17, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
    • Science

      Red

      Education works for children

      Earth From Space

      Detailed satellite images reveal the web of connections that sustain life on Earth. Aired February 13, 2013 on PBS

      Program Description

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      http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/earth-from-space.html

      February 17, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Which god?

      February 17, 2013 at 12:36 pm |
    • ..

      Thought you said you weren't Christian. Starting off as a liar right off the bat? Which God are you refering to, then?

      February 17, 2013 at 12:43 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      i'd rather have you, a human, hope i have a good day.

      February 17, 2013 at 12:58 pm |
    • THE REALIST

      ***************************************************************

      PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING.

      OPEN YOUR EYES AND OPEN YOUR MIND

      ***************************************************************
      ................ GODisIMAGINARY.com (please visit) .......
      ******************** and THANK GOODNESS because ..
      .... he emanates from the EVILbible.com (please visit)
      ***************************************************************

      February 17, 2013 at 2:20 pm |
  5. Sara Howells

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcyW7rMYR7A&w=640&h=390]
    '

    February 17, 2013 at 10:46 am |
  6. Red

    So let me get this straight: CNN calls this a belief blog. Who exactly is this blog directed at and who is it for? I see religious headlines but all I see in the comment section are atheists. Shouldn't an atheist post comments on a blog that has headlines pertaining to their beliefs???? These headlines all have something to do with a group of people that have faith in God at the end of the day. That would be like me going to a blog that has atheist headlines, and then talking about God in the comments section. ???? Why would I do that???? This blog is very awkward. Lol.

    February 17, 2013 at 9:37 am |
    • Morning

      Red
      The First Amendment. sorry to burst your bubble, although you do have the right to NOT enter the site.

      February 17, 2013 at 9:44 am |
    • clarity

      Well part of our function is to provide helpful services for believers of mythology – for instance, if they live in the U.S., reminding them that they can't teach Creationism in public schools and that our country was not founded on Christianity or any other religion – you know so that kind of useful info.

      February 17, 2013 at 9:52 am |
    • Red

      Well my post won't go up so I guess the truth hurts CNN. So be it. God is Great!!!!

      February 17, 2013 at 11:28 am |
    • Morning

      Try the little blue pill, even the RCC provides for it in their health coverage, only the lord knows why.

      February 17, 2013 at 11:33 am |
    • Red

      Wow and that went up? Really CNN? Why won't you let my legit points get posted? Are these idiotic people your regulars so you don't want me to hurt their feelings??? Geez. There goes that 1st amendment.

      February 17, 2013 at 11:35 am |
    • Moby Schtick

      Well, we now know who the critical thinker isn't.

      Yes, Red, it's either a huge conspiracy against you by one of the most powerful news organizations on the planet, or it's an automatic word filter that doesn't allow certain letter combinations like t/it in const/itution or v/ag in v/ague.

      February 17, 2013 at 11:40 am |
    • Damien

      It's not cnn's fault. Not the atheists' either. :twisted:

      February 17, 2013 at 11:40 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      clarity is right. It is the belief blog. People trot out beliefs and they are examined. What more could you ask for?

      February 17, 2013 at 11:43 am |
    • Moby Schtick

      Red, if 90% of the people around you believed in unicorns and thought that we should run our country and society according to belief in unicorns, don't you think you, as a nonbeliever, would be interested in sites that expressed belief in unicorns and how unicorn belief should be a part of our lives?

      February 17, 2013 at 11:47 am |
    • Damocles

      Oh no!!!! It's a Red Conspiracy!!!! Have you ever seen so much punctuation????

      February 17, 2013 at 11:47 am |
    • Morning

      Red
      I can see you are a fine christian complete with a persecution complex and bereft of humor, welcome you have lots of company here.

      February 17, 2013 at 11:48 am |
    • Red

      I would really love to respond to you all but everytime I do the post doesn't go up. The only posts that go up are my complaints about the post I want to go up not going up. I dunno. That's on CNN I guess.

      February 17, 2013 at 11:52 am |
    • Morning

      Can someone put up the filter no/no's for Red? I would like to here his views.

      February 17, 2013 at 11:56 am |
    • Damocles

      It's the Red Conspiracy, Red. Trust in it, believe in it, know that they don't want you to get the truth out there.

      February 17, 2013 at 11:57 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      Red
      There is a filter which blocks some words or portions of words.
      For example...const!tution....can't write it because of the word t!t in it.
      I can't post h0m0$exual because of the prefix h0m0 and the word $ex.
      Some people have a list, though not complete of words that get auto-blocked.

      February 17, 2013 at 11:57 am |
    • Red

      Well I hope this one goes up because Mr. or Mrs. Morning needs to know that I am anything but a Christian. I'm Christian? ?? LMAO LMAO LMAO!!! I wish you could say that in person to all that know me. They would laugh even harder.

      February 17, 2013 at 12:03 pm |
    • ..

      Red: typical fucking baby.

      February 17, 2013 at 12:06 pm |
    • Afternoon

      Red
      I will apologize for morning who tends to jump to conclusions based on your original rant that seemed to denegrate the atheists that post here. So you are a person that has a persecutiom complex that is bereft of a sense of humor, better, I hope so.

      February 17, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
    • ..

      Red is another smart ass sarcastic person who will hurl insults. Good. We don't have enough here!

      February 17, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      I think it's funny Christians wants everyone to pay attention to their religion, they want it included in laws and gov't and public school, they put up billboards and have TV channels dedicated to it. And then when atheists pay attention, they say "you shouldn't even care, why not just ignore us".

      February 17, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
    • Red

      All of the hateful assumptions you all are making about me are just proving that you're actually the type of people that you're claiming I am. Oh well have a nice time being miserable. I'm going to enjoy this "cold" Florida day. Freezing 60° today.

      February 17, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
    • Damocles

      @red

      Come back anytime, we'd be glad to have you.

      February 17, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
    • tallulah13

      I wonder if Red had a point or just came here to complain.

      February 17, 2013 at 12:28 pm |
    • Helpful Hints

      Red,

      Help with the automatic filter:

      Bad letter combinations / words to avoid if you want to get past the CNN Belief Blog/WordPress automatic filter:
      Many, if not most, are buried within other words, so use your imagination.
      You can use dashes, spaces, or other characters or some html tricks to modify the "offending" letter combinations.
      -
      ar-se.....as in ar-senic.
      co-ck.....as in co-ckatiel, co-ckatrice, co-ckleshell, co-ckles, etc.
      co-on.....as in racc-oon, coc-oon, etc.
      crac-ker…
      cu-m......as in doc-ument, accu-mulate, circu-mnavigate, circu-mstances, cu-mbersome, cuc-umber, etc.
      ef-fing...as in ef-fing filter
      ft-w......as in soft-ware, delft-ware, swift-water, drift-wood, etc.
      ho-mo.....as in ho-mo sapiens or ho-mose-xual, ho-mogenous, sopho-more, etc.
      ho-oters…as in sho-oters
      ho-rny....as in tho-rny, etc.
      inf-orms us…
      hu-mp… as in th-ump, th-umper, th-umping
      jacka-ss...yet "ass" is allowed by itself.....
      ja-p......as in j-apanese, ja-pan, j-ape, etc.
      koo-ch....as in koo-chie koo..!
      nip-ple
      o-rgy….as in po-rgy, zo-rgy, etc.
      pi-s......as in pi-stol, lapi-s, pi-ssed, therapi-st, etc.
      p-oon… as in sp-oon, lamp-oon, harp-oon
      p-orn… as in p-ornography
      pr-ick....as in pri-ckling, pri-ckles, etc.
      que-er
      ra-pe.....as in scra-pe, tra-peze, gr-ape, thera-peutic, sara-pe, etc.
      se-x......as in Ess-ex, s-exual, etc.
      sl-ut
      sm-ut…..as in transm-utation
      sn-atch
      sp-ank
      sp-ic.....as in desp-icable, hosp-ice, consp-icuous, susp-icious, sp-icule, sp-ice, etc.
      sp-ook… as in sp-ooky, sp-ooked
      strip-per
      ti-t......as in const-itution, att-itude, t-itle, ent-ity, alt-itude, beat-itude, etc.
      tw-at.....as in wristw-atch, nightw-atchman, salt-water, etc.
      va-g......as in extrava-gant, va-gina, va-grant, va-gue, sava-ge, etc.
      who-re....as in who're you kidding / don't forget to put in that apostrophe!
      wt-f....also!!!!!!!
      x.xx…
      There's another phrase that someone found, "wo-nderful us" (have no idea what sets that one off).

      February 17, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Red,

      Where is the hate? People disagreeing with you is not hate. I don't care if you are a christian or not, but using your "logic" you shouldn't be posting on this article because it is a christian article. Poor baby....

      February 17, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
    • Roger that

      'That would be like me going to a blog that has atheist headlines, and then talking about God in the comments section. ???? Why would I do that???? '

      As a Christian, that would be your duty. Right? Spreading the 'good news'? The majority of the atheists here are former theists encouraging others to think for themselves and realize that there is a huge difference between a piece of literature from antiquity and reality.

      February 17, 2013 at 12:36 pm |
  7. The Gospel of the FSM

    Disclaimer

    While Pastafairianism is the only religion based on empirical evidence, it should also be noted that this is a faith-based book. Attentive readers will note numerous holes and contradictions throughout the text; they will even find blatant lies and exaggerations. These have been placed there to test the reader's faith.

    The KJV of the bible or any of the oh so many other versions. would be more believable if a similar disclaimer was included.

    February 17, 2013 at 8:42 am |
  8. Morning

    To Chad, tbt, L4H, Topher, fred, Bill Deacon and all the rest of the jesus freak posters, I would like any reasoned and logical response to this line in the article.
    "He saw such an alliance between church and state destroy his native Germany, Catholic and Protestant leaders help put Hitler in power"

    February 17, 2013 at 7:30 am |
    • Science

      Goodf Morning ..... Morning

      Watch out they don't like facts.

      Education works most the time, expect with creationist.

      Peace

      February 17, 2013 at 7:54 am |
    • Morning

      Science
      Quite true, they troll the hunderds of christian aplologetics web sites, all of which are selling something or looking for donations, to cut and paste distorted "facts". The way these people can rewrite history and then sell it to the followers is quite amazing. Well it is a good scam keeping a lot of hustlers at the top of the food chain.

      February 17, 2013 at 8:07 am |
    • Science

      Morning
      Just a few of those sites but........

      Check out the ICR. , the creationist fav.

      The talkings snake go figure.

      Peace

      February 17, 2013 at 8:21 am |
    • Science

      Oops should be talking snakes.

      February 17, 2013 at 8:23 am |
    • Science

      Morning

      Like I said they (creationist hate facts)

      Carbon cool stuff easy to find!

      Artificial Enzyme Created by Evolution in a Test Tube

      Jan. 30, 2013 — There's a wobbly new biochemical structure in Burckhard Seelig's lab at the University of Minnesota that may resemble what enzymes looked like billions of years ago, when life on earth began to evolve – long before they became ingredients for new and improved products, from detergents to foods and fuels.

      3-D structure of the evolved enzyme (an RNA ligase), using 10 overlaid snapshots. In the top region, the overlays show the range of bending and folding flexibility in the amino acid chain that forms the molecule. The two gray balls are zinc ions. (Credit: University of Minnesota)

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130130132411.htm

      February 17, 2013 at 9:00 am |
    • Morning

      Science
      An article I found intresting dealt with finding RNA in the clouds of dust and gasses around young stars. You could find the article by searching, building blocks of life found around young star, if you have not seen it already. The fundies do not seem to understand the rapid advance of knowledge over the past century and what we have yet to learn is going to put them out of business. Constant lying can only take you so far.

      February 17, 2013 at 9:14 am |
    • Saraswati

      Morning, you mean they found a building block of RNA, not RNA. Finding RNA would be pretty weird. :)

      February 17, 2013 at 9:22 am |
    • Science

      Morning

      I read it on sciencedaily.com where the facts hangout awhile back.

      Star dust cool stuff
      Easy for people too find.

      Education for Adults too.

      February 17, 2013 at 9:44 am |
    • Morning

      Saraswati
      Of course you are right, I overstated my positon, I feel right chtistian, they found the molecules that are required for the formation of RNA. Thanks for the correction.

      February 17, 2013 at 9:52 am |
    • Science

      Morning

      Education trumped the creationst big time at the Dover trial back in 2005 go figure.

      February 17, 2013 at 10:10 am |
    • Science

      Opps creationists

      February 17, 2013 at 10:21 am |
  9. THE REALIST

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    PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING.

    OPEN YOUR EYES AND OPEN YOUR MIND

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    ................ GODisIMAGINARY.com (please visit) .......
    ******************** and THANK GOODNESS because ..
    .... he emanates from the EVILbible.com (please visit)
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    February 17, 2013 at 7:16 am |
    • midwest rail

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE&w=640&h=390]

      February 17, 2013 at 7:19 am |
  10. Science

    The END IS NEAR !!!

    A War Without End, With Earth's Carbon Cycle Held in the Balance

    Feb. 13, 2013 — The greatest battle in Earth's history has been going on for hundreds of millions of years – it isn't over yet – and until now no one knew it existed, scientists reported Feb. 13 in the journal Nature.

    Peace
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130213132323.htm

    February 17, 2013 at 6:44 am |
  11. Bootyfunk

    didn't the pope have a young, latino pool boy?

    February 17, 2013 at 5:31 am |
    • Morning

      Booty
      Julio, the old Rat hangs around school yards when he is not dressed in drag. Pool cleaning for minimum wage is just a front.

      February 17, 2013 at 6:03 am |
  12. Take Five

    I think we can all agree that Imaginary things or non-living matter cannot create the majesty of the heavens and the earth, and all living things on it. Which is precisely why god could not have done it.

    February 17, 2013 at 2:40 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?
      - Douglas Adams

      February 17, 2013 at 2:59 am |
  13. Correctlycenter

    To say that the Creator, the LORD God Almighty is imaginary is to say the same about you.are you imaginery? Imaginary things or non-living matter cannot create the majesty of the heavens and the earth, and all living things on it, God did...

    February 16, 2013 at 10:52 pm |
    • motive

      how immature. Shouldn't you be in bed?

      February 16, 2013 at 11:06 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Nope.

      February 16, 2013 at 11:08 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      I can leave a message on a blog site proving I exist. How come your god can't?

      February 17, 2013 at 1:31 am |
    • End Religion

      more mental patient logic, brought to you by CC...

      February 17, 2013 at 1:49 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      god, the imaginary sky-fairy friend of christians everywhere. ask yourself why you don't believe in zeus, odin or ra. read the entire bible and see how disgusting parts of that book are. realize that it's better to spend time in the really real world cultivating relationships with your fellow brothers and sisters than talking to own ego and ignorance and pretending it's divinity.

      February 17, 2013 at 2:59 am |
    • THE REALIST

      ***************************************************************

      PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING.

      OPEN YOUR EYES AND OPEN YOUR MIND

      ***************************************************************
      ................ GODisIMAGINARY.com (please visit) .......
      ******************** and THANK GOODNESS because ..
      .... he emanates from the EVILbible.com (please visit)
      ***************************************************************

      February 17, 2013 at 7:16 am |
  14. us_1776

    There is no Sky Fairy.

    Get over it.

    .

    February 16, 2013 at 8:21 pm |
    • THE REALIST

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      I agree!

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      * EVERYONE – PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING.

      ** OPEN YOUR EYES AND OPEN YOUR MIND **

      ***************************************************************
      ................ GODisIMAGINARY.com (please visit) .......
      ******************** and THANK GOODNESS because ..
      .... he emanates from the EVILbible.com (please visit)
      ***************************************************************

      February 16, 2013 at 9:44 pm |
  15. THE REALIST

    ***************************************************************

    * EVERYONE – PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING.

    ** OPEN YOUR EYES AND OPEN YOUR MIND **

    ***************************************************************
    ................ GODisIMAGINARY.com (please visit) .......
    ******************** and THANK GOODNESS because ..
    .... he emanates from the EVILbible.com (please visit)
    ***************************************************************

    February 16, 2013 at 8:00 pm |
  16. Reality

    The pope's legacy with Catholics in general???

    H-orrible but he simply speeded up the process of the RCC crumbling in the face of a severely flawed theology and history.

    Summarizing the major problems of the RCC for the new members of this blog:

    Too many pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, papal infallibility, celibacy, the resurrection, ascension, assumption, trinity, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

    Added details available upon request

    February 16, 2013 at 2:52 pm |
    • Freespeak

      You should fit bran muffins in there somewhere. Somebody must eat those things. Maybe its them.

      February 16, 2013 at 3:57 pm |
  17. Sara Howells

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcyW7rMYR7A&w=640&h=390]
    ,

    February 16, 2013 at 2:13 pm |
  18. Bootyfunk

    the pope's legacy with latinos? same as with africans and asians - not very good. the pope telling people not to wear condoms because it's a sin has caused a massive spread in HIV. the youth, surprise surprise, isn't going to listen to someone tell them not to have s.ex - but they will listen when you say not to wear a condom. great job, popes, on killing millions with your dark ages philosophies.

    February 16, 2013 at 2:12 pm |
    • THE REALIST

      ***************************************************************

      * EVERYONE – PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING.

      ** OPEN YOUR EYES AND OPEN YOUR MIND **

      ***************************************************************
      ................ GODisIMAGINARY.com (please visit) .......
      ******************** and THANK GOODNESS because ..
      .... he emanates from the EVILbible.com (please visit)
      ***************************************************************

      February 16, 2013 at 8:00 pm |
  19. Moby Schtick

    p post p

    February 16, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
  20. Rainer Braendlein

    Fools like the Holy Rat (the pope), Cheap-Grace-Protestants, Anabaptists, Islamists, Atheists, etc., always divert us from God's Gospel of his Son Jesus Christ:

    There is a loving God but we don't trust him. He proved his love through making the Creation, good whether, good harvests, etc.. The Creation is quasi the primeval gospel, and Adam had had the possibilty to regard God's Creation including the loveable animals and Eve as proof for God's love and offer of His friendship. Adam could have returned to God through the primeval gospel before the Fall.

    Adam did not accept the genuine gospel and degenerated biologically. We are descendants of the biologically degenareted Adam, hence the primeval gospel cannot help us any longer (the Muslims believe in a creator but nevertheless they are slaves of the sin). In order to get perfectly convinced of God's love we have to consider Christ and his death and resurrection. God gave his beloved Son for us. Yet, we cannot fully grasp this by our reason, even when we notice to some extent that it expresses God's love for us. In order to grasp fully Christ's sacrifice we have to refer to the sacramental baptism where we get/got metaphysically connected with Christ's sacrifice. In the power of Jesus' death and resurrection we can overcome the lust of our body, our selfishness, and consequently love God and our neighbour. Doing this we adore God in Spirit and in Truth. This is the real faith. The real faith makes us loving people, we become able to love God and our human neighbour.

    The real faith makes us better people, and we will come through at Judgement Day where our real deeds will be assessed.

    February 16, 2013 at 10:47 am |
    • 100 million year old crocodile

      Still alive I am ran into a Prehistoric shark captured on film ......

      For you

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mneDhOtVEQw&w=640&h=390]

      Peace

      February 16, 2013 at 11:07 am |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      hey careful with that video of Mohammad, you will be hanged by your hind legs

      February 16, 2013 at 12:50 pm |
    • THE REALIST

      ***************************************************************

      * EVERYONE – PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING.

      ** OPEN YOUR EYES AND OPEN YOUR MIND **

      ***************************************************************
      ................ GODisIMAGINARY.com (please visit) .......
      ******************** and THANK GOODNESS because ..
      .... he emanates from the EVILbible.com (please visit)
      ***************************************************************

      February 16, 2013 at 8:01 pm |
    • Shirlitza

      You should have omitted the first paragraph, condescending name calling isn't acceptable. Everyone is at their level of spiritual enlightenment, light and truth. Life's a journey. Learn to love the unlovely and see and agape others as God does. God's church is interdenominational, don't get led astray by strange false doctrines + cults.

      February 16, 2013 at 8:20 pm |
    • THE REALIST

      ***************************************************************

      * EVERYONE – PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING.

      ***************************************************************

      ** OPEN YOUR EYES AND OPEN YOUR MIND **

      ***************************************************************
      ................ GODisIMAGINARY.com (please visit) .......
      ******************** and THANK GOODNESS because ..
      .... he emanates from the EVILbible.com (please visit)
      ***************************************************************

      February 16, 2013 at 9:45 pm |
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