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Tim Tebow pulls out of speaking at Dallas church
February 21st, 2013
10:40 AM ET

Tim Tebow pulls out of speaking at Dallas church

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - NFL quarterback Tim Tebow has canceled an appearance at a controversial Dallas-area church. The outspoken Christian quarterback was scheduled to speak at First Baptist Church on April 28.

The church is led by Robert Jeffress, who has been widely criticized for views against homosexuality, Islam and Mormonism. Tebow, announcing his decision Thursday on Twitter, said that he was canceling his appearance “due to new information that has been brought to my attention.”

Tebow’s statement appeared over a series of four tweets on the social media site.

“I will continue to use the platform God has blessed me with to bring Faith, Hope and Love to all those needing a brighter day. Thank you for all of your love and support. God Bless!” he wrote to his Twitter followers.

Tebow was scheduled to speak at the 11,000-member Dallas church as part of a monthlong celebration of the megachurch’s completion of a new building campaign, a $130 million dollar project that encompasses five blocks of the downtown.

“Tim called me last night and explained to me that because of some things going on in his personal life and his career he needed to steer clear of controversy right now, but that at some other date he would like to come and speak at our church,” Jeffress told CNN by phone from Dallas.  “Tim has to do what Tim thinks is best for him right now.”

The First Baptist Church of Dallas is a member of the Southern Baptist Convention.  Jeffress, who has been in its pulpit since 2007, is no stranger to controversy.

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After introducing Texas Gov. Rick Perry at the Values Voter Summit in Washington in October 2011, Jeffress told reporters he believed Mormonism was a cult, expressing a personal position and one held by his denomination.  The move was seen as a particular slight to former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, a lifelong Mormon.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, while acknowledging sharp theological differences with the Southern Baptist Convention, bristles at the term cult and says it is inaccurate.

Jeffress has also drawn fire for his comments about homosexuality, Judiasm and Catholicism.

“This in no way is going to diminish what our church is teaching about salvation being available to all through faith in Jesus Christ,” Jeffress said.

Jeffress pointed out that Tebow is a member of the First Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Florida, a fellow SBC church.

“They certainly believe what we do, that salvation is through Christ alone, and about homosexuality.  Tim confirmed that to me last night, that they believe exactly what we do about homosexuality.”

Tebow and Jeffress differ dramatically in how they present their faith.  Tebow in talking about his faith has used much softer language, while Jeffress has no trouble going after less popular and culturally sensitive issues in Christianity.

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“I believe that homosexuality is a sin just like adultery is a sin, just like I believe premarital sex is a sin, because it’s a deviation from God’s standard,” Jeffress said.

“God’s plan for sex is that is should be between a man and a woman in a marriage relationship and any deviation from that is wrong.”

While he believes any sex outside a heterosexual marriage is wrong, he adds, “I never single out homosexuality as the only sin or the unpardonable sin. I think homosexuality, just like adultery, can be forgiven if we ask God for forgiveness.”

Jeffress said he thinks there is a genetic disposition toward homosexuality, a stance on sexual orientation taken by many theologically conservative Christians and one scorned as scientifically flawed by the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.

Jeffress said he is sure there are gay members in his church.  “We don’t ask all the gay members to stand up, but I’m sure that there are people who are gay in our church simply because of the letters I have received,” he said.  “We have people who’ve committed adultery and who lie and who steal, but that doesn’t mean they’re not welcome to come to our church.”

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As for comments about Mormons, Jews and Catholics, he is quick to point out that he believes “no one goes to hell in a group.”

“I’m not the one who decides who goes to heaven and hell. God does that. God has already given us the criteria for what it takes to go to heaven when you die. Jesus said in John 14:6, ‘I am the way, the truth and the life, and no man comes to the father except through me.’  When I quote that verse I like to remind people that Jesus who said that was not a Southern Baptist evangelist but a Jewish rabbi. Yet as a Jewish rabbi he said there is one way to heaven, and that is through faith in me.”

The controversy surrounding Tebow’s appearance won’t dampen the church’s plans, Jeffress said. He said Tebow, while escaping the spotlight now over his beliefs, will continue to face controversy.

“I think Tim is going to discover that no matter how hard you try to hide from controversy, if you stand for the simple truths of the Bible, like faith in Christ, necessary for salvation, and sex (being acceptable only) between a man and a woman in marriage, you can't avoid controversy.  That’s something Tim needs to discover on his own.  We in no way want to impugn him.  He’s a great man of God who sincerely loves the Lord.”

- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. Deb from Texas

    As a progressive Christian, I believe that no one knows for sure until we face God for those of us who believe. I do not need to change anybody's belief as it is their belief system. I do believe that Judism, Isalm, and Christianty all have the same God. Also (this is very hard for many hard core Chrisitians to believe) Jesus was born a Jew and died a Jew and is from the Middle Eastn. Jesus would not want people to "worship" him as 1 God and only 1 God that should be worshipped (which goes back to Judism, Islam, and Chrisitianty have the same God). When the Bible is studied and taken back to the earliest transalations, very different book. Do not be so quick to judge as God knows – not us. Just be happy in your faith and do what Jesus asked – worship your God and love your neighbors. If we all did that, our world would be a better place.

    February 21, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
    • Answer

      " do what Jesus asked – worship your God and love your neighbors. "

      –Frankly the "love your neighbors" came before your myths. But you can claim that it came from your jeebus.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      "Progressive Christian" = LMFAO

      February 21, 2013 at 5:14 pm |
    • lol??

      Are you a real XX??

      February 21, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
    • Flint Fredstone

      Actually, the Christians, Hebrews and Muslims all believe that the others' versions are false, and their adherents will go to hell. Their scriptures support that view. So your belief is non-Biblical heresy.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
    • meifumado

      You don't need gods to be kind to your fellow humans.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:20 pm |
    • lol??

      When everybody has insurance, nobody has insurance.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
    • KIMBERLY FROM KALI

      IT IS MY BELIEF THAT THE ONLY MULTIPLE VERSON GOD WANTS US TO WORSHIP IS THE FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. I BELIEVE THAT YOUR VIEWS ARE BASED ON THINGS THAT YOU HAVE NOT FULLY STUDIED AND I BELIEVE THAT IT IS A SAD THING TO SAY THAT JESUS IS AN ISLAMIC GOD, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY IN THE ISLAMIC NATIONS PERSECUTING CHRISTIANS. I DO NOT KNOW YOU NOR DO I JUDGE YOU, BUT I WOULD BE CAREFUL TO ASSOCIATE YOURSELF WITH BELIEFS THAT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN. TO CALL YOURSELF A CHRISTIAN AND NOT BELIEVE IN THE FOUNDATIONAL PRINCIPLES IS NOT ONLY BLASPHEMOUS BUT VERY HYPOCRITICAL. YES JESUS WAS A JEW. BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE BIBLE TO SEE THE LOVE GOD HAS HAD ON "HIS PEOPLE" (THE JEWISH NATION) AND ALSO WHAT CHRIST DID WHEN HE CAME, WHICH WAS TO BRING FORTH THE PROPHECIES OF THE MESSAIH AND TO BRING SALVATION TO THE GENTILES (ALL OTHER NATIONS).. AS FOR GREEK AND HEBREW TRANSLATION, IF YOU TRULY SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES AND ITS ROOT DIALECT AND DEFINITION YOU WILL FIND THAT THE TRUTH IS THE SAME YESTERDAY TODAY AND FOREVOR REGARDLESS THE DIALECT. IT SIMPLY AMPLIFIES THE MEANING, ESPECIALLY WHEN TRANSLATED INTO HEBREW BECAUSE THEIR WORDS HAVE VERY DESCRIPTIVE MEANINGS. I AM PRAYING FOR YOU AND I PRAY THAT YO DONT TAKE OFFENSE TO WHAT I HAVE POSTED, BUT I TRULY WOULD NOT FEEL RIGHT IF I KEPT SILENT WHEN FALSEHOODS ARE BEING POSTED. GOD BLESS

      February 21, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
    • Flint Fredstone

      The caps lock button is over there on the left side of your keyboard. You will look like less of an idiot if you use it, but unfortunately, as to your content, well, as Eric Idle said of another Christian zealot dingbat, "When you are stupid, there is nothing that can be done."

      February 21, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
  2. Lenny Pincus

    Evidently, God doesn't like most of the people He created.

    February 21, 2013 at 5:04 pm |
    • lol??

      Yer evidence is what, bigot??

      February 21, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
    • Jesus Christ's Lust for Glory!

      Actually, God is just bored, being immortal and all, so he just wants some fun torturing billions in his eternal Auschwitz.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
    • lol??

      You could try not messin' with the bride. He's Jealous.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
  3. calvin

    Uh huh... he only cancelled because the media got wind of it.

    February 21, 2013 at 4:54 pm |
    • lol??

      He found that out when he was standin' downwind of em.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:14 pm |
  4. Dolly

    Prove God doesn't exist!

    February 21, 2013 at 4:53 pm |
    • Democritus

      Dolly: Which one?

      February 21, 2013 at 4:55 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Dolly, prove Unicorns don't exist. I have faith that they do, therefore they do.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:56 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Dolly, P.S. There are many more books about Unicorns than god, therefore Unicorns are more real.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:57 pm |
    • longshot

      you're joking, right? because nobody is that dense and actually says that – you must be trying to mimic a fundamentalist with no critical thinking skills

      February 21, 2013 at 4:57 pm |
    • Tom

      Having faith doesn't prove anything. Faith is just a belief and a hope.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:01 pm |
    • Answer

      Classic religious ignorance! The proving of a negative. Hilarious.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:02 pm |
    • sam stone

      prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist

      February 21, 2013 at 5:06 pm |
    • lol??

      The Flying Spaghetti Monster is too big to fail.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
    • Johnny Guitar

      AS the others said, only an idiot or a sleazeball would ask someone to disprove a negative. Had you received enough education to get to a logic class, you would find it is impossible. Just as Zeus, leprechauns, ghost, sprites, unicorns and fairies cannot be proven to not exist, neither can your (or any god).

      However, the complete and total lack of evidence for god in absolutely every place ever studied very very very strongly impleis there is none. Same with leprechauns. Absolutely no evidence that something does exists makes it almost certain it does not exist. Add to it the impossibilities and absurdities of any scripture, and the possibility that your god exists collapses to virtually zero.

      But you can continue playing your sleazy "disprove the negative" game if you want.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:14 pm |
    • meifumado

      Remember Dolly that the onus of proof is with the believer.

      But I will say this, In all the thousands of years that thousands of religions have been around, Why has not one of them ever had any actual factual evidence of there being anything supernatural?

      February 21, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
  5. Ungodly Discipline

    Ask Jesus to appear

    Just about everyone knows the story of Jesus' death and resurrection. The story is summarized in the Apostles' Creed. Jesus was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into hell. On the third day he arose again from the dead.
    There is only one way for Jesus to prove that he rose from the dead. He had to appear to people. Therefore, several different places in the Bible describe Jesus' appearances after his death:

    • Mark chapter 16
    • Luke chapter 24
    • John Chapter 20 and 21

    1 Corinthians 15:3-6 provides a nice summary of those passages, as written by Paul:

    For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me.

    As you can see in this passage, Jesus appeared to hundreds of people a number of different times.

    Being like Paul

    When we look at 1 Corinthians 15:3-6, there is a question that comes to mind - why did Jesus stop making these appearances? Why isn't Jesus appearing today?

    It really is odd. Obviously Paul benefitted from a personal meeting with the resurrected Christ. Because of the personal visit, Paul could see for himself the truth of the resurrection, and he could ask Jesus questions.

    So... Why doesn't Jesus appear to everyone and prove that he is resurrected, just like he appeared to Paul? There is nothing to stop Jesus from materializing in your kitchen tonight to have a personal chat with you. And if you think about it, Jesus really does need to appear to each of us. If Paul needed a personal visit from Jesus to know that Jesus was resurrected, then why wouldn't you?

    It is an important question for the following reasons:

    • We are told by the Bible that Jesus appeared to hundreds of people.
    • We therefore know that it is OK for Jesus to appear to people - it does not take away their free will, for example - because it was OK for Jesus to appear to hundreds of other people.
    • We know that it would be easy for Jesus to appear to everyone all through history, since Jesus is all-powerful and timeless.
    • We know that, if Jesus did reappear to everyone, it would be incredibly helpful. We could all know, personally, that Jesus is resurrected and that Jesus is God. If Paul (and all the other people in the Bible) needed a personal visit to know that Jesus was resurrected, then why not you and me?
    • Yet, we all know that Jesus has not appeared to anyone in 2,000 years.
    In other words, there is nothing stopping Jesus from appearing to you, and several good reasons for him to appear.
    In addition, Jesus promises that he will appear to you. All that we have to do is pray to Jesus like this: "Dear Jesus, please appear to us, as you did to Paul and the 500 brethren, so that we can see the evidence of your resurrection. In your name we pray, amen." Here is what Jesus has promised us in the Bible:

    Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

    Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

    In John chapter 14:14:

    Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it.

    In Matthew 18:19:

    Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

    Jesus is actually in our midst. So he is right here already, supposedly. Yet when we pray to him to physically materialize, as he did to hundreds of others, nothing happens.

    Isn't it odd that Nothing happens, given the fact that Jesus promises us that something will happen? Isn't it odd that Nothing happens when, supposedly, Jesus is right here with us already, and materialization would be trivial for him? Isn't it odd that Nothing happens when, supposedly, Jesus was happy to appear to hundreds of others?

    What you will find, if you think about it, is that the situation we see here is the kind of unambiguous situation described. We have created a situation where coincidence cannot "answer" the prayer. The only way for this prayer to be answered is for Jesus to actually, unambiguously, materialize. In this situation, we also know that:

    1. It is trivial for Jesus to materialize
    2. There would be many benefits if Jesus did materialize
    3. Jesus has supposedly materialized to other human beings
    4. Jesus has promised to answer our prayer that he materialize

    How do we explain the fact that this prayer goes unanswered, no matter who prays, despite Jesus' promise that he will answer our prayers?

    As you think about this, you will realize that Paul's story in the Bible is false. Simply look at Paul's story like any judge in a courtroom would. What Paul's story in 1 Cor 15 is suggesting is entirely unprecedented – a man dead three days with mortal wounds came back to life. Yet there is no evidence that it is true, and there are many alternative explanations for what Paul is saying. Paul could be fabricating the story, Paul could have hallucinated or dreamed the meeting, Paul could have seen an imposter, etc. In addition, no one is seeing Jesus today, even though it would be trivial and obvious for Jesus to appear to people today just like he did with Paul, and Jesus promises in the Bible that he will answer our prayers.

    What about Jesus' famous statement in the Bible, "Happy are those who have not seen yet still believe"? What you realize is that this statement creates the perfect cover for a scam. Let's say you are Jesus, you are a normal human being, you realize that you are going to die (everybody does) and you want to cover for this fact. Here is what you would say: "Happy are those who have not seen yet still believe." What you are saying is, "the way I am going to show you that I exist is by not showing that I exist." For every other object in the universe, the way that we know it exists is because the object provides evidence of its existence. If there is no evidence for an object's existence, we call it imaginary (e.g. Leprechauns). But with Jesus, the lack of evidence is turned into evidence. Quite clever, but obviously a scam.

    If the resurrection were true, then Jesus would be answering prayers as he promises in the Bible. He would appear when people pray to see him. The reason why he does not appear is simple: Both Jesus and God are imaginary

    February 21, 2013 at 4:48 pm |
    • Tom

      OK, you don't believe. We accept that.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:51 pm |
    • Tom

      P.S. How's Florida. Can spot you a mile away, Butch.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:56 pm |
    • meifumado

      Well thought out sir!

      If only they could listen to reason.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:57 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Tom, that is your argument?

      February 21, 2013 at 4:58 pm |
    • meifumado

      Tom, your an idiot.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:58 pm |
    • Tom

      I can't prove that God exists. It that what you want me to say? Ok, I said it. Don't want to argue about it. What good would that be for?

      February 21, 2013 at 5:04 pm |
    • Russ

      @ Ungodly discipline:
      you & Marshall Brain (whom you are quoting, right?) need to read NT Wright's rather exhaustive treatment of the resurrection: "The Resurrection of the Son of God." And by exhaustive, I mean he comes at it from almost all conceivable angles: historically, theologically, philosophically, etc.

      As he rather astutely points out: Christianity doesn't make sense without the resurrection. And that's not to say "well, of course, Christianity is just silly." but rather, historically, philosophically & practically: Christianity would not have gotten off the ground without the resurrection – as an historical, witnessed, tangible event which was intrinsic both to its central tenets & its early, exponentially explosive spread.

      But again, don't take my word for it. Check it out for yourself. As CS Lewis said:
      'A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. There are traps everywhere — "Bibles laid open, millions of surprises," as Herbert says, "fine nets and stratagems." God is, if I may say it, very unscrupulous.'

      February 21, 2013 at 5:06 pm |
    • Answer

      "What good would that be for?"

      Logic and reason:

      1) If you can't prove that your god exists.. then you have no right to say that your bible is the source from god.
      2) If you can't prove that your god exists.. then on what basis do you have that you can claim that you are special and can dictate your opinions upon to others?

      February 21, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Russ:

      1. Marshall Brain = Correct

      2. “As he rather ‘astutely’ points out…”

      There is nothing astute about his point unless he concludes that people don’t rise from the dead.

      3. CS Lewis was a fiction writer.

      Do you have any actual arguments?

      February 21, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
    • Tom

      Who said I want to dictate my belief on others? Who said I need to prove that Goid exists? I believe, you don't. So, why are you so unset about it all? You are not going to convince me and I am not going to convince you. So, there it is.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:14 pm |
    • frank

      Russ – "Christianity would not have gotten off the ground without the resurrection "

      Harry Potter would have been a dud without a magic wand or two.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
    • Answer

      @Tom

      The word "you" hits you hard does it? Can't seem to ignore that word and not apply it to yourself? It's a powerful word "you".

      Why are you so jumbled about it?

      February 21, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Tom, you are the one that replied to my post. Feel free to drop off if you don't want to have a discussion. No one cares what you believe if you are not here.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:18 pm |
    • Tom

      Bye. Have a good life !!!

      February 21, 2013 at 5:22 pm |
    • Russ

      @ ungodly discipline: i gave you a 900 page book full of arguments, figuring that recapitulating them here in full was not helpful.

      per your a priori dismissal of the miraculous/supernatural...

      David Hume's presuppositional dismissal of the miraculous (upon which most of that argument rides) is increasingly falling out of favor within the scientific community itself (not to mention the philosophical). with recent decades of discoveries in quantum physics & chaos theory, ruling out 'unexpected' things is self-contradictory.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:44 pm |
    • Greg

      The bible was written by humans.....period. God is the perfect, never changing, divine spirit of love, mercy, knowledge, goodness, honesty etc.., whereas satan is the wholly non changing spirit of evil, jealousy, fear, greed, disease, anger and etc... Each is battling daily for your loyalty. God is not a man or a man figure sitting on a cloud picking out who is going to die and who is going to live. You can make arguments based on what you read in the bible every day till you die. You cannot let what was written interfere with your relationship with the most powerful life changing force in the universe. You must believe in a spiritual God, not a religous god-figure. Example....A tornado rips up a neigborhood and destroys every house on the block but one. It kills children, babies, old folks, but the people in the remaining house survive. So, the television crew interview them and what do you think they say? " God was watching over us last night, God is so good and we are so thankful he loves us so...etc.." OK, so what about the children, babies and old folks that perished?? Did God not love them?? Of course God loves them. The only reason the people survived is due entirely on the dynamics of the storm. A God that is the spirit of perfect non changing love is not capable of bringing harm to those that God is God to. We live in a material, physical world where things happen. Our reward in praying to God and being intune with the spirit God represents is to live eternally in heaven. Don't let writings from centuries ago prevent you from believing in God.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:48 pm |
    • Russ

      @ ungodly:
      also, per your thoughts on CS Lewis – he was not only a fiction writer but a scholar OF fiction. he was one of the leading scholars on myth in the last century. and per that *scholarly* expertise, he delivered this address to a group of historians pointing out that – as an expert on myth – the Gospel accounts in the NT could not be regarded as myth.

      http://orthodox-web.tripod.com/papers/fern_seed.html
      for example, one such point he makes...

      "I have been reading poems, romances, vision-literature, legends, myths all my life. I know what they are like. I know that not one of them is like this. Of this text there are only two possible views. Either this is reportage – though it may no doubt contain errors – pretty close up to the facts; nearly as close as Boswell. Or else, some unknown writer in the second century, without known predecessors, or successors, suddenly anticipated the whole technique of modern, novelistic, realistic narrative. If it is untrue, it must be narrative of that kind. The reader who doesn't see this has simply not learned to read."

      February 21, 2013 at 5:52 pm |
  6. TomGI

    Speak or not, birds of a feather...

    February 21, 2013 at 4:45 pm |
  7. Pinewalker

    All I can say is no one escapes criticism. o matter who you are or what you do there will always be someone who doesn't like it and isn't afraid to let you know. I even read an articl criticle of Mother Theresa one time....it just prves that everything is relative.

    February 21, 2013 at 4:44 pm |
    • meifumado

      There is a lot about that woman that the religious do not want you to know.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
    • ..

      lol??, your jokes fail here on Earth, I doubt if they would get any better once you kick the bucket.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
    • lol??

      Nuthin' gets passed you, dot dot. Enjoy.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
    • Doobs

      There are a lot of articles that are critical of Mother Teresa. They question why her patients had little more than a cot or blanket on the ground despite raking in many millions of dollars, why her formularies had little more than aspirin for dying patients, why she consorted with and took money from the likes of Jean-Claude Duvalier, Charles Keating and Robert Marshall, and why the money she took in was put in the Vatican's general use fund, whether or not it was designated for charitable purposes.

      Nothing "relative" about it. She was a crook.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:46 pm |
  8. Tailgate party

    And the new information is god misses the punt big time.

    February 21, 2013 at 4:44 pm |
  9. Stephen Daedalus

    Who wants to hear this meathead talk? I don't even enjoy him trying to pass... which he can barely do.

    February 21, 2013 at 4:41 pm |
  10. Ungodly Discipline

    Christians, after you die and go to heaven, then what? Just curious.

    February 21, 2013 at 4:40 pm |
    • SeilnoigileR

      That's always been my question.
      A) Won't you get bored?
      B) I don't think I'd want to spend eternity with the folks who claim they're going to heaven, would you?

      February 21, 2013 at 4:44 pm |
    • Dolly

      We live eternally happy worshiping God.
      And you? Hope you enjoy fire and eternal reruns of any Kardashian show!

      February 21, 2013 at 4:45 pm |
    • Athy

      I would prefer that to being surrounded by biblebabblers.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:47 pm |
    • Answer

      Just ask them when are they allowed to stop worshiping.

      Ask them when do the words "do", "work", "something else", or "go" come into play concerning their worshiping.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:48 pm |
    • Tom

      You don't believe any of it so just why does it concern you? Just curious.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:49 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Dolly, I get that. But will you actually DO. You will just worship and nothing else for eternity? Doesn't sound very nice to me.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:51 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      Christians hope to become communists when they die.
      They want to go to a place where there is no rich or poor, everyone is equal.
      There are no owned possessions, no needs or wants, everything is provided by the 'authorities in charge'.
      And they spend their days praising the 'authorities', who will remain in control for eternity.

      A true communist paradise.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:51 pm |
    • Akira

      I once read a novel about a man who escaped Hell and found Heaven to be what he always said "this is my idea of Heaven" was. Nobody at all on the expressways and roads...no line at Starbucks (there was always a cup waiting for him at the window)...no people to deal with...etc.
      He found it so tediously boring that he asked to be sent back to Hell, where things were decidedly more lively.
      I guess it was a lesson in "be careful what you wish for."

      February 21, 2013 at 4:52 pm |
    • Answer

      "You don't believe any of it so just why does it concern you? Just curious."

      -The same question will be rephrased like this:

      "You don't believe any of evolution so just why does it concern you? Just curious."

      –Could it be intellectual honesty?

      February 21, 2013 at 4:52 pm |
    • Tom

      Then don't go there.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:53 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Tom, why does what I am concerned about concern you?

      February 21, 2013 at 4:53 pm |
    • Answer

      @Dolly

      Here Dolly do some mathematical equating on your worshiping.

      If the purest of bliss is worshiping. Then have worshiping equated to 100&.
      At 100% full satisfaction would you even think of allowing yourself to be deterred from worshiping?

      –The logic would be: "Why would I.. I have this perfection at hand with my god in front of me." So why and at what point do you go and say "this is so boring ... I'm going to tell my god that I'm gonna take a break and do something else."

      February 21, 2013 at 4:56 pm |
    • Tom

      Because I love you Man !!! LOL !!

      February 21, 2013 at 4:57 pm |
    • Answer

      @Tom

      Then about abortion – if you're a guy why are concerned about a women's body?

      Take your own advice of leaving women's bodies along. Don't go there. If your viewpoint is of that nature that is.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
    • lol??

      My job will be tellin' jokes to the burnin' heathen. I'll fly over the lake and airdrop em in. They'll be written down so ya can savor em.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:02 pm |
    • Fred

      Dear Ungodly Discipline,
      After you die and do not go to heaven – then what?

      February 21, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
    • Answer

      Ya sure.. you're in a invisible flying prayer airplane. Good luck with that.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
    • Answer

      @Fred

      You decompose. Maggot food.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
    • Doobs

      I've always wondered how christians reconcile heaven being perfect bliss when they look around and don't see their mother, or one of their children, and realize their loved one is in hell. Do they just figure, "Oh well, he/she got what they deserved, praise god!"

      February 21, 2013 at 6:21 pm |
  11. Mames Jadison

    Every new & successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and athletic matters, is of importance. And I have no doubt that every new example, will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & sports will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.

    February 21, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
    • you are just plain stupid

      translation:
      blah blah blah

      February 21, 2013 at 4:46 pm |
    • Mirror Mirror

      Oh my! You do realize that you just accused the man who wrote the Constitution of the United States of stupidity, right?

      February 21, 2013 at 5:06 pm |
  12. Reality

    "Tebow was scheduled to speak at the 11,000-member Dallas church as part of a monthlong celebration of the megachurch’s completion of a new building campaign, a $130 million dollar project that encompasses five blocks of the downtown."

    Talk about a waste of money!!!

    Now let us put that money to good use:

    In order to pay down OUR $16 trillion debt, we need to redirect money used to support/control religions especially the christian and islamic cons and put it towards paying off our debt.

    To wit:

    Redirecting our funds and saving a lot of "souls" in the process:

    Saving 1.5 billion lost Muslims:
    There never were and never will be any angels i.e. no Gabriel, no Islam and therefore no more koranic-driven acts of horror and terror LIKE 9/11.

    - One trillion dollars over the next several years as the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan will end.

    - Eighteen billion dollars/yr to Pakistan will stop.

    - Four billion dollars/yr to Egypt will end.

    Saving 2 billion lost Christians including the Mormons:
    There were never any bodily resurrections and there will never be any bodily resurrections i.e. No Easter, no Christianity!!!

    - The Mormon t-ithe empire will now become taxable as will all Christian "religions" and evangelical non-profits since there is no longer any claim to being a tax-exempt religion. (~$100 billion was donated to various religious groups in 2011)

    - the faith-based federal projects supported by both Bush and Obama will be eliminated saving $385 million/yr and another $2 billion/yr in grants.

    - Saving 15.5 million Orthodox followers of Judaism:
    Abraham and Moses never existed.

    - Four billion dollars/yr to Israel saved.

    - All Jewish sects and non-profits will no longer be tax exempt.

    Now all we need to do is convince these 3.5+ billion global and local citizens that they have been conned all these centuries Time for a YouTube,Twitter and FaceBook campaign!!!!

    February 21, 2013 at 4:36 pm |
    • lol??

      Churches are peanuts. Commie mommies just can't count or stop dreamin' and spendin'.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:58 pm |
  13. Mike

    Tebow is an idiot for even considering to speak at that church.

    February 21, 2013 at 4:34 pm |
    • Zingo

      You could have stopped after the fourth word.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:38 pm |
  14. Matthew

    God Bless Robert Jeffress for defending the Faith & shame on Tim Tebow for being a spineless coward!

    February 21, 2013 at 4:33 pm |
    • Answer

      A god that can't defend itself. Yeppers.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:34 pm |
    • Akira

      Perhaps TT does not buy into the hateful rhetoric. Perhqps he reads Mathew 7 more than some. Perhaps he just goes about worshiping God differently than you.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:38 pm |
    • clarity

      Yep, Answer, it's the same delinquent God that can't seem to hover over and take care of a public school day.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:39 pm |
    • Akira

      Clarity, yeah, God is rather angry that students who are not of the same faith being forced to utter words that hold absolutely no meaning for them...after the school announcements about lunch...He's picky that way, lol. Not.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:45 pm |
    • Robert Jeffress

      Yes – God has blessed me. Blessed me hard! $130 mil worth!

      February 21, 2013 at 4:50 pm |
    • sam stone

      Is your god so flaccid that he needs humans to stand up for him?

      February 21, 2013 at 5:09 pm |
    • ChristianHypocrisy

      Hey Matthew – try reading your name sake: Chapter 6 verses 5 and 6. Pure gold, yet not very closely followed these days.

      To wit, look at those silly Kountze high school cheerleader hypocrites and Mr. Tebow himself. Truly he has his reward, lol.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:46 pm |
  15. Ungodly Discipline

    Examine Jesus' miracles

    If someone were to come to you today and say, "I am God!", what would you do? Yes, you would immediately ask for proof. Of course you would. And you would not want goofy proof. You would want real, solid, tangible proof.

    No normal person, and I mean no one, would accept anything less than rock solid proof from a person who claims to be God.

    Why should it be any different with Jesus? Jesus was a man who claims to be God. If he is God, then he ought to be able to prove it in a real, inimitable way. If he cannot prove it then, quite clearly, he is not God.

    A Christian would say, "But Jesus HAS proven it! Just look at all of the miracles he did in the Bible! He healed the sick! He changed water into wine! That PROVES that Jesus is the Lord!" Does that make sense to you? Imagine that someone, today, were to come up to you and say, "I am God, and I will prove that I am God by healing the sick and turning water into wine!" What would you say? Be honest. You would not believe this person because:

    Everyone has seen all sorts of "faith healers" who can "heal" the sick. And we all know that this sort of "healing" is quackery. If it were true, then we would not need doctors, hospitals or prescription medicines.

    Turning water into wine... Doesn't that sound like something that a B-grade David-Copperfield-wannabe magician would do in a nightclub act? There are a dozen ways that you could stage things to make it look like water is turning into wine. There is no reason why a normal person would accept a magic trick as proof that someone is God.

    Neither of these miracles can be scientifically tested today. Not one of Jesus' miracles left any tangible evidence for scientists to study.

    It is as simple as that. If someone claimed to be God today, you would never believe it if the evidence consisted of faith healing and magic tricks. Never. Yet billions of people claim that Jesus' faith healing and magic tricks prove that he is God.
    Let's imagine that Jesus truly is God. What might he have done to prove it? He could have started by taking one of his most famous quotes from the Bible and acting on it. In Matthew 17:20 Jesus says quite clearly:

    For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.

    To prove that he is God, Jesus would have moved a mountain. Especially since it is so easy. And Jesus would have written something down to explain himself. Here's what the first page of Jesus' book might have looked like:

    My name is Jesus, and I am God. I know there are a lot of people out there who will doubt that I am God, so let me start off by proving it to you. Take a look at Mount Sinai. Everyone knows that, until today, Mount Sinai stood near here. It is the mountain where God, my father, gave Moses the Ten Commandments.

    Mount Sinai vanished this morning, and what was left in its place was a perfectly smooth, polished stone base measuring four miles square. Hundreds of years from now, people will find that Mount Sinai landed near a place that will be called Newark, New Jersey. When scientists dig into the mountain, they will find that the bottom of the mountain is also completely smooth and polished, and that the bottom of the mountain in New Jersey perfectly matches the polished plain nearby. Scientists will be able to align the mountain and the plain, looking at it rock crystal by rock crystal at a microscopic level. I have said many times that, if you have faith, you can move mountains. I moved Mount Sinai to show how easy it is, and to prove that I am God.

    I know that that may not be enough, so let me offer a second proof. If you draw a circle, you know that there is distance across the circle. Let us call it the diameter of the circle. There is also a distance around the outside of the circle. Let us call it the circumference. If you divide the circumference by the diameter, you get another number. Let us call it Pi, and its first 6 digits are 3.14159. Pi is an irrational number. It is a number that is made up of an infinite number of non-repeating digits.

    There will come a day when machines called computers will calculate billions of digits of Pi. If you calculate Pi out to the millionth trillionth digit, here is what you will find:

    9823456451237823492278583495083498745....

    Now, having proven that I am God to any rational being, through my documentable movement of a mountain and through my foreknowledge of Pi at the millionth trillionth position, here is what I want to say to the human race as your creator, and as the creator of the universe...

    Wouldn't that be awesome and amazing? If we had such a book, and if Mount Sinai had actually moved, then there would be no questions about Jesus. We would all believe that he is God. How could we not? Imagine what such a book would say on the following pages. A book like that, I am sure, would leave all of us in awe.

    Why would Jesus not do that? God, supposedly, has already written a book called the Bible. And God, supposedly, has already done all sorts of things according to that book. God, supposedly, parted the Red Sea, carved the Ten Commandments into stone, went to the trouble to incarnate himself, etc. So why not have Jesus write a book, and leave behind real, tangible evidence for all of us to see?

    For any normal, rational person, the reason is obvious - God is imaginary. We would not believe that anyone today is God without concrete proof. Jesus doesn't get a pass because he lived 2,000 years ago. Jesus, if he existed at all, was a human being just like you and me. All of the stories in the Bible are just that – stories.

    February 21, 2013 at 4:24 pm |
    • Tom

      It's just all a matter of faith and belief. Can't be proven, just believe it to be true. I just feel it in my "heart" and I chose to believe. Something like I feel love for my child, but I sure as the dickins cannot prove that either.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:34 pm |
    • Invited Guest

      "So why not have Jesus write a book, and leave behind real, tangible evidence for all of us to see?"

      Hey, someone just gave evidence that there is only one God, Allah, and Mohammad is his prophet!!!!

      February 21, 2013 at 4:36 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      I feel in my heart that leprechauns are real. It is just a matter of faith.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
    • Tom

      If that is what works for you, then ok go ahead. Why are you so bent on discrediting the faith of others? You don't believe in God and so be it and I will not try to discredit you – it's your choice to believe or not and it is others choce to believe or not. What is the big deal with you about that?

      February 21, 2013 at 4:44 pm |
    • JWT

      We are also happy Tom to hear that you will vote in favor of gay marriage.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:50 pm |
    • Ken

      If I believe and I am wrong...so what I am a better person...if you are wrong what is the consequence...you should really read the Bible...

      February 21, 2013 at 4:51 pm |
    • treblemaker

      The only proof you need of the existence of GOD is-to look in the mirror. That is your proof. To deny the existence of God Almighty is to deny your own existence. And yes, I agree with you. The Bible is a bunch of stories-written by God through selected, flawed human beings made in His image trying to desperately explain His eternal existence. You are wasting time trying to explain away God to suit your own purpose when the spirit inside of you knows otherwise.

      What most Christians seem to forget is that just being saved is NOT ENOUGH. It's nothing to brag about, because the other half of His instructions are–and I paraphrase-"Your faith has saved you...go...and sin no more". The problem is, sinning no more is impossible, even when you are saved by faith. We all fall short (You and I and everyone else on earth included)!!!

      I respect Tim Tebow for wearing his faith on his sleeve. It takes more courage to not be ashamed of the gospel of Jesus the Christ in this sinful world than anything else. But I'm sure that Tim knows that he falls short just like we all do. At least he knows it, and prays to the Father in the name of the Son to help him keep on the pathway that Jesus the Christ laid out for all of us so we don't fall prey to the Great Tempter as we journey through life on Earth, which is the devil's playground. If you don't believe me, read the Bible as a storybook novel-you might not like the ending that's in store for nonbelievers. And that is the whole crux of the story of life. DO YOU BELIEVE?? From your blog, I guess you don't. For your sake, I hope one day you change your mind.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:54 pm |
    • Yeah right

      That's Pascal's wager. Here is the problem for you: If any other religion is true, then YOU go to their hell. And if you choose by fear of hell, you acted under duress (and what god would stoop to duress?). If you acted for desire of heaven, then you are motivated by greed, and what true god would reward greed?

      And Jesus makes it clear that a great many Christians who think they are saved are hypocrites who are not.

      Best of luck. It's your life to waste.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:56 pm |
    • LOL!

      "It takes more courage to not be ashamed of the gospel of Jesus the Christ in this sinful world than anything else. "

      More Christian negativity, which is why your cult is so bad for our society. 80% of Americans claim to be Christians yet here you are proclaiming how sinful it is and it takes courage to not be ashamed. That's a farce. It takes courage in this country to stand up to most of the people of America and tell them their religion is what is ruining our society, not the other way around.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:58 pm |
    • Bob Dobbs

      I achieve slack by staying out of this fight...but the correct theological answer to your argument is the Holy Spirit, the third part of the Holy Trinity. He got out of the transmogrification business and just does the spirit thing now.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
    • sam stone

      trebel: your threats are empty, and you are snivelling coward.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
    • JWT

      More threats – it's impossible to take the god of such people seriously.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
    • Tom

      YES, I would vote for gay marriage !!! Not all Christians are the same, ya know.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
    • JWT

      I was just curious as so many vote against it when really there is no reason to vote against it.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:35 pm |
    • meifumado

      I think we need some nuts for these nuts.

      Where are you?

      February 21, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
  16. Matthew 6.5

    "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full."

    Tebow has been rewarded in full.

    February 21, 2013 at 4:23 pm |
    • Answer

      Wishful thinking.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:24 pm |
    • lol??

      Don't know 'bout that, but is there time after a sack??

      February 21, 2013 at 4:25 pm |
    • cnickthomas

      . . . you didn't complete what the bible says here. The verse continues for you to pray in secret. That there are those who pray in public to be seen by men thereby trying to pretend they are better than others. There are a lot of people out in this world pretending to be Christians. God will know who the real Christians are. Men can be fooled. Men can fool.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:48 pm |
    • 100% hypocrisy rate for Christians

      You can read all you want, and what you will find is that all Christians violate Jesus' instructions. All of them.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:51 pm |
    • ChristianHypocrisy

      Oh no, not Matthew – the "liberal" one. They don't like this verse, or the next one about praying in your closet. No, no – they need a $130 mega church!
      Praise Jesus!

      February 21, 2013 at 5:56 pm |
  17. RadioUranus

    How important is humility to the conscientious practice of Christianity - and why is it so infrequently observed?

    February 21, 2013 at 4:22 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Humility?
      I am the most humble person ever.
      If there were an award for humility, I'd have 6 of them by now.
      I am the HUMBLEST!
      (end joke)

      February 21, 2013 at 4:24 pm |
    • Johnny Guitar

      Humility is fundamentally impossible for people who believe that they are best friends with the super-creator of everything, and that they get the super magic eternal afterlife Disneyland. Oddly, they thing people who think they are one in seven billion and will just stop when they die are actually the arrogant ones . . .

      February 21, 2013 at 4:27 pm |
  18. The Gospel of St. Lucre

    Jeffreys said "Tim called me last night and explained to me that because of some things going on in his personal life and his career he needed to steer clear of controversy right now"

    So Tebow didn't disagree with the church; he just didn't want to assert his beliefs while negotiating his contract. I think Jesus did indeed say "Verily, thou must hide thy true Christian beliefs if it is more lucrative to do so."

    February 21, 2013 at 4:21 pm |
    • gdf

      He hasn't hidden his beliefs. Everybody knows about Tebow's beliefs. He just didn't want to stand beside the one's who are providing more of a controversial approach. I'm not saying he's wrong, or they are for speaking what they believe ... they each have made their own choices.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:50 pm |
    • The Gospel of St. Lucre

      If Tebow didn't want to stand by them, he wouldn't have accepted the invitation in the first place, and even if done by mistake, you will notice that nowhere does he say anything about their beliefs. All he did was call and say he could do it now because of personal and career issues. Which is not even remotely a rejection of their positions.

      If he doesn't want to stand by them, why did he lie?

      February 21, 2013 at 5:04 pm |
  19. Christians are the original LARP'ers

    "Pew pew! Magic missile! Magic missile! You're going to heII!! You're going to heII!! Pew pew!!"

    February 21, 2013 at 4:17 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Forsooth! How many gold pieces for an indulgence?
      What about a cloak of invisibility?

      February 21, 2013 at 4:25 pm |
    • Answer

      I want a +5 Vorpal blade.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:26 pm |
    • Christians are the original LARP'ers

      Only 400 gold for a cloak of infallibility!! Only worn a few times by the Pope!! Perfect condition! Has only slight smudges on the front from alter boy tears, but hardly noticeable!

      February 21, 2013 at 4:28 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      and you can always go to lourdes for a potion of healing

      February 21, 2013 at 4:41 pm |
  20. ROCKWOOD

    I find it odd......He would of spoke at the church if his agent didn't think that he'd get bad publicity from it........he should of known what the church was like in the first place.

    February 21, 2013 at 4:13 pm |
    • Dippy

      Rockwood, it's "would have," and "should have," not "would of" and "should of." Good grammar is the mark of an intelligent person. Yours is not good.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:19 pm |
    • *

      * while we're at it - it should be "would have spoken", not "would have spoke".

      February 21, 2013 at 4:25 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Yalls done gots more gooder inglish then I has.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:26 pm |
    • lol??

      Yu peoples cain't talk write.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:28 pm |
    • gdf

      I know, right. Stupid church speaks about what it believes in. What happened to the good ol' days when we were part of a communist society and they strictly limited free speech and free press and told us what to believe in. Now that's the America I think we should return to. What's the matter with them? They're just as bad as PETA for saying killing animals or eating meat is wrong, or just as bad as all of those Al Gore followers who tell people they're treating the planet wrong and should be environmentally friendly. Everybody should just keep all of their opinions and beliefs to themselves unless every single person all agrees about the same exact thing, then they can say that. But since that will never happen, and it would take speaking up in the first place before you're sure whether you all agree with the same thing ... we should just keep every form of belief or opinion about anything to ourselves, and instead opt for a belief system implemented by our government or ruling board. One possible exception would be to start any belief with ,"Now I personally sort of maybe think this but I'm not held to my belief and I could change and I certainly don't want to offend you with my personal belief but I believe that ...".

      Yeah, ROCKWOOD, you and I are in total agreement it seems on this. Let's proclaim it together – instate a dictator state, let's establish the United Communist States of America (UCSA).

      February 21, 2013 at 4:28 pm |
    • gdf

      @ Dippy –

      In continued support of ROCKWOOD whom I'm in total agreement with (see my other post), "would of" is growing in popularity as more common speech. And, as such, and since it is understood – it is becoming linguistically appropriate. So careful with how critical you are in slighting the man for his speech. I assume you're also critical of people with pronunciation of words ... and so always demand the original pronunciation of Moskva, Deutschland, and Zhōngguó.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:32 pm |
    • Dippy

      "Would of and could of" are simply incorrect. You never see it written that way by anyone who knows how to write. Go ahead and use it if you don't want to be considered intelligent.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:39 pm |
    • True Story

      Once when I was in Tennessee getting gas, I was having a chat the clerk. Right in the middle of the conversation, she suddenly stopped and said "Y'all talk funny!"

      Dippy's head would have exploded. I am not quite sure if it was the unaccented correct English I speak, or that I use words with more than one syllable.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:46 pm |
    • Dippy

      I'm talking about using the incorrect words in written text, not mispronouncing them. Do you need help in reading comprehension?

      February 21, 2013 at 4:50 pm |
    • Platypus Rex

      Gdf apparently barely got out of high school, if that.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
    • gdf

      @ Dippy,

      You are talking about what is acceptable in English, though you try to narrow your focus, that is indeed the overall argument you're making. Essentially though you're making an argument to pull apart pieces of what a person's saying while disregarding the point they're making. Quick little message boards are not the place to go if you want to find a high-brow form of language with absolutely correct grammar. People type quick. They make errors.

      So speaking of correct English – as that's what we're discussing ... do you say "nitch" or "neesh" (niche), do you say "Febuary" or "February", do you say "Artic Ocean" or "Arctic Ocean"? After all, correct usage of English is the mark of an intelligent person.

      My point? Lay off the guy for little grammar mistakes ... the overall topic is much more important. Although, for OCD people, it's hard to let that stuff go.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:01 pm |
    • gdf

      @ Platypus Rex

      You're right, barely got out quick enough. I felt so constrained there. As it turns out, even after graduate-level education, I still feel constrained by such "limits" in the world, boundaries, rules of correctness with every little thing. However can we grow and move forward if we focus on such trivial issues? In truth, I'm OCD about language, and pronunciation ... though I don't oppose a person for their own usage. As I implied before, linguistic correctness provides for a wide range of acceptability – the overall purpose being understanding and communication. Thus, I choose to focus my attention towards the idea that somebody is putting forth, not whether they crossed their t's and dotted their i's.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
    • sam

      ""would of" is growing in popularity as more common speech. And, as such, and since it is understood – it is becoming linguistically appropriate."

      No, gdf. That's incorrect, and it will always be incorrect. It's lazy. But you're used to lazy thinking, aren't you?

      February 21, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
    • Don Piano

      gdf, I don't care who makes mistakes on a comment forum, even if the medium itself requires some basic language skills. But no one, anywhere, is going to agree with you about 'would of'. It's how it sounds spoken, true, but I wish native English speakers would try to be fluent in at least one language. Don't even try and save yourself on that point.

      February 21, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
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