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Tim Tebow pulls out of speaking at Dallas church
February 21st, 2013
10:40 AM ET

Tim Tebow pulls out of speaking at Dallas church

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - NFL quarterback Tim Tebow has canceled an appearance at a controversial Dallas-area church. The outspoken Christian quarterback was scheduled to speak at First Baptist Church on April 28.

The church is led by Robert Jeffress, who has been widely criticized for views against homosexuality, Islam and Mormonism. Tebow, announcing his decision Thursday on Twitter, said that he was canceling his appearance “due to new information that has been brought to my attention.”

Tebow’s statement appeared over a series of four tweets on the social media site.

“I will continue to use the platform God has blessed me with to bring Faith, Hope and Love to all those needing a brighter day. Thank you for all of your love and support. God Bless!” he wrote to his Twitter followers.

Tebow was scheduled to speak at the 11,000-member Dallas church as part of a monthlong celebration of the megachurch’s completion of a new building campaign, a $130 million dollar project that encompasses five blocks of the downtown.

“Tim called me last night and explained to me that because of some things going on in his personal life and his career he needed to steer clear of controversy right now, but that at some other date he would like to come and speak at our church,” Jeffress told CNN by phone from Dallas.  “Tim has to do what Tim thinks is best for him right now.”

The First Baptist Church of Dallas is a member of the Southern Baptist Convention.  Jeffress, who has been in its pulpit since 2007, is no stranger to controversy.

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After introducing Texas Gov. Rick Perry at the Values Voter Summit in Washington in October 2011, Jeffress told reporters he believed Mormonism was a cult, expressing a personal position and one held by his denomination.  The move was seen as a particular slight to former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, a lifelong Mormon.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, while acknowledging sharp theological differences with the Southern Baptist Convention, bristles at the term cult and says it is inaccurate.

Jeffress has also drawn fire for his comments about homosexuality, Judiasm and Catholicism.

“This in no way is going to diminish what our church is teaching about salvation being available to all through faith in Jesus Christ,” Jeffress said.

Jeffress pointed out that Tebow is a member of the First Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Florida, a fellow SBC church.

“They certainly believe what we do, that salvation is through Christ alone, and about homosexuality.  Tim confirmed that to me last night, that they believe exactly what we do about homosexuality.”

Tebow and Jeffress differ dramatically in how they present their faith.  Tebow in talking about his faith has used much softer language, while Jeffress has no trouble going after less popular and culturally sensitive issues in Christianity.

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“I believe that homosexuality is a sin just like adultery is a sin, just like I believe premarital sex is a sin, because it’s a deviation from God’s standard,” Jeffress said.

“God’s plan for sex is that is should be between a man and a woman in a marriage relationship and any deviation from that is wrong.”

While he believes any sex outside a heterosexual marriage is wrong, he adds, “I never single out homosexuality as the only sin or the unpardonable sin. I think homosexuality, just like adultery, can be forgiven if we ask God for forgiveness.”

Jeffress said he thinks there is a genetic disposition toward homosexuality, a stance on sexual orientation taken by many theologically conservative Christians and one scorned as scientifically flawed by the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.

Jeffress said he is sure there are gay members in his church.  “We don’t ask all the gay members to stand up, but I’m sure that there are people who are gay in our church simply because of the letters I have received,” he said.  “We have people who’ve committed adultery and who lie and who steal, but that doesn’t mean they’re not welcome to come to our church.”

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As for comments about Mormons, Jews and Catholics, he is quick to point out that he believes “no one goes to hell in a group.”

“I’m not the one who decides who goes to heaven and hell. God does that. God has already given us the criteria for what it takes to go to heaven when you die. Jesus said in John 14:6, ‘I am the way, the truth and the life, and no man comes to the father except through me.’  When I quote that verse I like to remind people that Jesus who said that was not a Southern Baptist evangelist but a Jewish rabbi. Yet as a Jewish rabbi he said there is one way to heaven, and that is through faith in me.”

The controversy surrounding Tebow’s appearance won’t dampen the church’s plans, Jeffress said. He said Tebow, while escaping the spotlight now over his beliefs, will continue to face controversy.

“I think Tim is going to discover that no matter how hard you try to hide from controversy, if you stand for the simple truths of the Bible, like faith in Christ, necessary for salvation, and sex (being acceptable only) between a man and a woman in marriage, you can't avoid controversy.  That’s something Tim needs to discover on his own.  We in no way want to impugn him.  He’s a great man of God who sincerely loves the Lord.”

- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. Casey

    lol?? – The Bible does not condemn h-o-m-o-s-e-x-u-a-l-i-t-y when it is put in historical and cultural context and is read using reason, as Jesus did. If you disagree, please cite a verse.

    February 22, 2013 at 1:30 am |
    • lol??

      Ya oughta fence in yer bwain, not the Word.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:33 am |
    • ..

      Lol??, you bastardize the Word on a daily basis.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:35 am |
    • clarity

      That's right Casey – you have to become narrow minded before the little mind games of lol??'s twisted form of Xtianity will take hold correctly.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:36 am |
    • Casey

      lol!! – I guess from your response that your realize that the Bible does NOT condemn h-o-m-o-s-e-x-u-a-l-i-t-y. Thanks for the confirmation.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:41 am |
    • ..

      Here's your next word that you probably don't know the meaning of, but describes you perfectly, lol??:

      Hypocrite: a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:43 am |
    • lol??

      The how to in fencing in ye ol' bwain, "2Cr 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;"..........Narrow path, narrow gate. Fat heads won't get through the eye.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:57 am |
    • Casey

      lol!! – 2Cr 10:5 has nothing to do with h-o-m-o-s-e-x-u-a-l-i-t-y.

      February 22, 2013 at 2:02 am |
  2. Casey

    Richard – I agree that Jesus did not come to judge. So why do conservative Christians think they can judge others when Jesus did not?

    February 22, 2013 at 1:20 am |
    • lol??

      HHHHhhmmmm, how should I judge this inane question?? bigot

      February 22, 2013 at 1:28 am |
    • Casey

      lol!! – HHHHhhmmmm, how do I reply to your inane response. Being intolerant of intolerance is not bigotry. Would you call a black person a bigot for protesting against racism?

      February 22, 2013 at 1:33 am |
    • ..

      Lol??, please read this again, and again, because you look more and more foolish every time you misuse this word:

      Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot, defined by Merriam-Webster as "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance". Bigotry may be based on real or perceived characteristics, including age, disability, dissension from popular opinions, socioeconomic status, ethnicity, gender identity, language, nationality, political alignment,race, region, religious or spiritual belief, sex, or sexual orientation.

      Casey CLEARLY is a Christian, and you are CLEARLY the bigoted one.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:33 am |
    • lol??

      HHHmmm, is he a Christian?? Oh wait, wait, you wouldn't know. Sorry.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:35 am |
    • lol??

      Do Dot, "Sorry! The word "bigot" doesn't occur in the KJV." Got anything close??

      February 22, 2013 at 1:38 am |
    • Casey

      lol!! – It is apparent from your mean-spirited responses that you have no idea what makes a person a true Christian.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:44 am |
    • ..

      The word bigot doesn't have to appear in the Bible to describe you, lol??, however, here is one that does:
      Hypocrite: a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

      While you are doing a horrible job proselytizing, care to explain the unicorns in the KJV? Probably not.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:48 am |
  3. AZDrew

    Tebow called an audible that didnt result in a turnover!

    February 22, 2013 at 1:10 am |
  4. Wrathbrow

    “I’m not the one who decides who goes to heaven and hell. God does that. "
    He picked his religious and beliefs out of hundreds (or more), so he actually is making a decision and a statement about who would go to a heaven or hell.
    hypocrite

    February 22, 2013 at 12:39 am |
    • lol??

      "Hbr 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith."...........Americult is not big on inheritance, with the gubmint being big daddy'O and all that sort of thing. Make da fathers obsolete and rule da wurld.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:07 am |
    • ..

      Lol,Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot, defined by Merriam-Webster as "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance". Bigotry may be based on real or perceived characteristics, including age, disability, dissension from popular opinions, socioeconomic status, ethnicity, gender identity, language, nationality, political alignment, race, region, religious or spiritual belief, sex, or sexual orientation.

      You're a bigot.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:13 am |
    • lol??

      I dunno, Do Dot. You sound bi. And that's a gotcha. bigot

      February 22, 2013 at 1:18 am |
    • clarity

      Hitler and the Christian troops that killed 8500 unarmed men and boys in Srebrenica in 1995 had the same kind of inherited reverence that lol?? is talking about.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:21 am |
    • lol??

      For those not in the know, Hitler is Clarity's angel of light.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:25 am |
    • clarity

      That's a laugh. I'm the agnostic; you and Hitler share the same religion – I think we know who has the same values.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:27 am |
    • lol??

      The default is having a god. Your belly rules. bigot

      February 22, 2013 at 1:30 am |
    • clarity

      Default? Lunacy of course. Of course you always have the opportunity to prove your rubbish, lol??

      February 22, 2013 at 1:33 am |
    • lol??

      The scriptural defense which would naturally be used on a faith blog is this.........."Phl 3:19 Whose end [is] destruction, whose God [is their] belly, and [whose] glory [is] in their shame, who mind earthly things.)"

      February 22, 2013 at 1:42 am |
    • clarity

      Do you have any way to attempt to prove your God outside of a book of ancient folklore?

      Any kind of non-self-serving references? No, I didn't think so. So we're back to you just having baseless hot air, lol??

      February 22, 2013 at 1:49 am |
  5. Casey

    Jimmy – The Bible is true in that it is the spiritual history of the Hebrew and early Christian communities. It is inspired by God, but written by men who were influenced by the culture around them. It was never meant to be interpreted literally. Jesus did not interpret Scripture literally. If he did, he would have stoned the woman caught in adultery and would not have allowed his apostles to pick wheat on the Sabbath. Jesus interpreted Scripture using reason and compassion. Using reason to understand the cultural influences in the Bible is what allows us to differentiate between cultural norms which no longer apply and spiritual truths which do. If we did not use reason when reading and interpreting Scripture, people would still use Scripture to defend slavery.

    February 22, 2013 at 12:35 am |
    • Observer

      Casey,

      Yes. That's why Christians' obsession with gays is so wrong.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:37 am |
    • kenny

      do you really believe in the fairy tales of the bible? doesn't it seem a little too convenient that NONE of it can be proven and that lots are ridiculous ( garden of eden, noah, etc)? that almost all of the stories show up in other religions OLDER than xtianity? virgin birth/ resurrection / etc ... how is it possible it was centralized in rome, by the catholic church which held a monopoly on it for 1600 years until a british king wanted a divorce and protestants are now the REAL xtians? do you know anything real about your religon/bible etc? i guess that's why there are sooo few atheists, only people who ACTUALLY STUDY the religion AND a bit of intelligence figure out its horse pucky...

      February 22, 2013 at 12:38 am |
    • Wrathbrow

      While I appreciate your approach at moderation. Your statements about what a figure/person names Jesus would of done and believed does not mean that is really the case.
      I always find it interesting when people say what Jesus would of done, the answer is always exactly what the individual believes.
      If jesus existed, he was a man, and subject to all of the points you make in your post.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:44 am |
    • lol??

      Gay first, everything else plays second flute.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:00 am |
    • Casey

      lol?? – I did not mention h-o-m-o-s-e-x-u-a-l-i-t-y in my post.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:04 am |
    • ..

      lol??, here, I did your homework for you.
      Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot, defined by Merriam-Webster as "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance". Bigotry may be based on real or perceived characteristics, including age, disability, dissension from popular opinions, socioeconomic status, ethnicity, gender identity, language, nationality, political alignment, race, region, religious or spiritual belief, sex, or sexual orientation.
      Recognize yourself? Doubtful. I'll bet you don't even read this; too many big words. Bigot.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:05 am |
    • lol??

      H0M0S*E*X*U*A*L*I*T*Y* first, slavery second.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:11 am |
    • Jimmy

      Casey
      Not every story that is billed as being "inspired by" or "based upon" real events is actually what we'd call "truthful", right? Look at the movie Argo. Basically everyone says that it's total BS, and that the Canadians were 90% responsible for the complete rescue where the movie gives almost all the credit to the CIA.

      Well, as far as anyone can really prove, there is no God. People are "inspired" by the idea of God just like dictators are inspired by the idea of ruling without limit. If the Bible was never meant to be interpreted literally why were people stoned to death since before Jesus' time? Again, we appreciate what you're trying to do, but the Bible is just plain rotten fruit, and there is no amount of sugar you can heap upon it that will get rid of the awful taste.

      .

      February 22, 2013 at 1:12 am |
    • Richard Alexander

      If Jesus had not interpreted Scripture literally, the Pharisees would have condemned Him for it, but they never did. They recognized that he was interpreting Scripture more fully, using the broader (if to them arcane) scope of the law.

      Jesus did not stone the woman caught in adultery because Jesus was not on Earth as a judge. He did tell her, "Go and sin no more," which means He recognized that what she was doing was sinful. She was not delivered because she wasn't sinning; everyone present acknowledged that she was in sin and deserved to die for it. She was delivered because no one remained to pronounce the sentence on her. The Pharisees were eliminated because, when they challenged Jesus to tell them what they should do, He pointed out that by the law, a competent judge had to be innocent, himself. As they recognized that they failed that test, they left.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:14 am |
    • Casey

      Lol – I did not mention h-o-m-o-s-e-x-u-a-l-i-t-y in my post. What is your point?

      February 22, 2013 at 1:21 am |
  6. Texas sucks

    Stay classy texas.

    February 22, 2013 at 12:31 am |
  7. NorthVanCan

    Sounds like the Church isn't consistent with "bringing people a brighter day"
    I love it when religious people can't stand their own religion cuz it's creepy.

    February 22, 2013 at 12:05 am |
    • lol??

      Dr. Strangelove, I presume??

      February 22, 2013 at 12:10 am |
    • ..

      Lol??. Spreading her legs for Jesus since she got "saved" by the loins of her preacherman.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:17 am |
  8. Casey

    Tebow is wise to distance himself from this church which condemns h-o-m-o-s-e-x-u-a-l-i-t-y, Mormonism, Judaism, and Catholicism. As a gay Christian, I think it is important to remember that the Bible does not condemn h-o-m-o-s-e-x-u-a-l-i-t-y when it is put in historical and cultural context and is read using reason, as Jesus did.

    February 21, 2013 at 11:57 pm |
    • lol??

      Gay first, everything else plays second flute.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:02 am |
    • clarity

      I suppose the cowardly idiot lol?? would say if someone was smart to distance themselves from the KKK, he would be content making a similar claim. He uses the word bigot frequently now – he must be standing in front of a mirror.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:17 am |
    • ..

      Lol??. Peeking into the windows of her gay neighbors since 2002.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:19 am |
    • clarity

      Correction: I suppose the cowardly idiot lol?? would say if someone thought it was wise to distance themselves from the KKK, he would be content making a similar claim. He uses the word bigot frequently now – he must be standing in front of a mirror.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:19 am |
    • ..

      It's always fun to watch lol?? play the skin flute.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:22 am |
    • lol??

      After 400,000 years of pwogwessive evilution one would think the race would understand the birds and the bees. Do Dot doesn't. He thinks it's a spectator sport of diversity perversity.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:40 am |
    • clarity

      Yep the cowardly lol? would be right at home in the cave playing the Biblical part of Lot being seduced by his two daughters. And I'm sure the exciting part for him would not be the sex, but just contemplating the notion of their subservience.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:47 am |
    • ..

      Lol??, don't you think it would be wonderful if a) you learned what bigot actually means, and b) let gay couples adopt all the babies currently languishing in orphanages because no upright straight white-bread Christian couples won't? Of course not, right? It's against your religion, I suppose.
      Idiot.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:51 am |
  9. Steve

    When a person wether famous or not is afraid to come to a Church to speak,,,, somethings wrong. Why do you think God torched Sodom and Gomorra because they for got to floss. Give me a break.

    February 21, 2013 at 11:46 pm |
    • ..

      Uh, no, Sodom and GOMORRAH were not torched because of homosexuality, but I can understand how bigots would cherry-pick that to fit their hatred of gays. It's what ignorant people do.

      February 21, 2013 at 11:53 pm |
    • Casey

      The sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was r-a-p-e and inhospitality, not h-o-m-o-s-e-x-u-a-l-i-t-y. Genesis 19:4-5 says that ALL of the townsmen came to r-a-p-e the angels. There is no way that every man in Sodom and Gomorrah was a h-o-m-o-s-e-x-u-a-l. In addition, Genesis 19:8 states that Lot offered the men his daughters in place of the angels. Why would Lot offer his daughters to a group of h-o-m-o-s-e-x-u-a-l men? This passage is about r-a-p-e and inhospitality, not ho-m-o-s-e-x-u-a-l-i-t-y.

      Also, Ezekiel 16:49 (NIV) states, "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy."

      February 21, 2013 at 11:54 pm |
    • Jack

      Didn't Gomorra battle Godzilla for control of Tokyo?

      February 21, 2013 at 11:55 pm |
    • ..

      Not to mention that Lot let himself be seduced by his daughters...not exactly the righteous guy, huh?

      February 21, 2013 at 11:57 pm |
    • Franklin

      Actually, the "sins" of Sodom are not what is popularly thought.

      "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen." Ezekeiel 16:49-50

      February 21, 2013 at 11:58 pm |
    • lol??

      RRRRrrrrriiiiggghhht, their only pwoblem was one lil ol' corrupt ward boss. Socialists think that way. bigots

      February 21, 2013 at 11:58 pm |
    • clarity

      "When a person wether famous or not is afraid to come to a Church to speak,,,, somethings wrong. Why do you think God torched Sodom and Gomorra because they for got to floss. Give me a break."

      Did you read this back to yourself before posting? Try English next time, dipshit.

      This is either a poe or a box of rocks.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:06 am |
    • ..

      Lol, are you seriously calling God a "corrupt ward boss?" Sodom was a Socialist city? Really? This is how the sentence you have written looks...
      Do you even have any clue as to how ignorant you sound? Learn how to write. Seriously. You look positively illiterate.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:08 am |
    • clarity

      The idiot lol? likes to spew, but never supports its blabber. I suppose it thinks the baby talk is cute.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:10 am |
    • Tom

      No no no Jack! Gomorra was a giant turtle who flew around like a frisbee on fire! Or what that Gamera? I don't know, I'd just hate to see either of them sodomized by Godzilla. That's probably what made all the citizens of Tokyo run in horror!

      February 22, 2013 at 12:12 am |
    • clarity

      @.. – don't bother asking lol?? for clarification, citations, etc. It only knows how to spew rubbish and move on. A very cowardly creature.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:22 am |
    • ..

      @clarity, lol?? has got to be one of the biggest hypocrites ever, and has no clue what the word bigot even means...if it did, it would rightly recognize its behavior as the epitomy of it. Sadly, the biggest douches are the ones that don't even know that they smell in the first place.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:26 am |
    • lol??

      Pwogwessive SOCIALISM always needs just one more tweak, just one more law, because they're fond of sayin' the lie, "Nobody's perfect!". They forgot all about the groom. He's perfect.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:27 am |
    • kenny

      do you really believe in the fairy tales of the bible? doesn't it seem a little too convenient that NONE of it can be proven and that lots are ridiculous ( garden of eden, noah, etc)? that almost all of the stories show up in other religions OLDER than xtianity? virgin birth/ resurrection / etc ... how is it possible it was centralized in rome, by the catholic church which held a monopoly on it for 1600 years until a british king wanted a divorce and protestants are now the REAL xtians? do you know anything real about your religon/bible etc? i guess that's why there are sooo few atheists, only people who ACTUALLY STUDY the religion AND a bit of intelligence figure out its horse pucky...

      February 22, 2013 at 12:37 am |
    • ..

      Seriously, lol??, are you actually that retarded, or is this an act? Because I find it extremely hard to believe you can delude yourself enough to think your bullshit makes any sort of sense. Oh, and you're a bigot.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:11 am |
  10. Reality

    Only for the new members of this blog:

    "Tebow was scheduled to speak at the 11,000-member Dallas church as part of a monthlong celebration of the megachurch’s completion of a new building campaign, a $130 million dollar project that encompasses five blocks of the downtown."

    Talk about a waste of money!!!

    Now let us put that money to good use:

    In order to pay down OUR $16 trillion debt, we need to redirect money used to support/control religions especially the christian and islamic cons and put it towards paying off our debt.

    To wit:

    Redirecting our funds and saving a lot of "souls" in the process:

    Saving 1.5 billion lost Muslims:
    There never were and never will be any angels i.e. no Gabriel, no Islam and therefore no more koranic-driven acts of horror and terror LIKE 9/11.

    - One trillion dollars over the next several years as the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan will end.

    - Eighteen billion dollars/yr to Pakistan will stop.

    - Four billion dollars/yr to Egypt will end.

    Saving 2 billion lost Christians including the Mormons:
    There were never any bodily resurrections and there will never be any bodily resurrections i.e. No Easter, no Christianity!!!

    - The Mormon t-ithe empire will now become taxable as will all Christian "religions" and evangelical non-profits since there is no longer any claim to being a tax-exempt religion. (~$100 billion was donated to various religious groups in 2011)

    - the faith-based federal projects supported by both Bush and Obama will be eliminated saving $385 million/yr and another $2 billion/yr in grants.

    - Saving 15.5 million Orthodox followers of Judaism:
    Abraham and Moses never existed.

    - Four billion dollars/yr to Israel saved.

    - All Jewish sects and non-profits will no longer be tax exempt.

    Now all we need to do is convince these 3.5+ billion global and local citizens that they have been conned all these centuries Time for a YouTube,Twitter and FaceBook campaign!!!!

    (Added information: "In 2010, according to the Urban Inst-itute’s publication, The Nonprofit Sector in Brief, the total expenses of all reporting public charities – public charities required to file Form 990s with the IRS – totaled nearly $1.45 trillion. Total revenues were estimated at $1.51 trillion.[15])"

    February 21, 2013 at 11:45 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      You lead the way !

      February 21, 2013 at 11:47 pm |
    • Reality

      AND THE INFAMOUS ANGELIC CONS CONTINUE TO WREAK STUPIDITY UPON THE WORLD

      Joe Smith had his Moroni. (As does M. Romney)

      "Latter-day Saints like M. Romney also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

      Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

      Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

      Jesus and his family had/has Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day demon of the demented. (As does BO and his family)(As do Biden and Ryan)

      The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

      Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie/horn-blowing thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.

      Some added references to "tink-erbells".

      newadvent.org/cathen/07049c.htm

      "The belief in guardian angels can be traced throughout all antiquity; pagans, like Menander and Plutarch (cf. Euseb., "Praep. Evang.", xii), and Neo-Platonists, like Plotinus, held it. It was also the belief of the Babylonians and As-syrians, as their monuments testify, for a figure of a guardian angel now in the British Museum once decorated an As-syrian palace, and might well serve for a modern representation; while Nabopolassar, father of Nebuchadnezzar the Great, says: "He (Marduk) sent a tutelary deity (cherub) of grace to go at my side; in everything that I did, he made my work to succeed."
      Catholic monks and Dark Age theologians also did their share of hallu-cinating:

      "TUBUAS-A member of the group of angels who were removed from the ranks of officially recognized celestial hierarchy in 745 by a council in Rome under Pope Zachary. He was joined by Uriel, Adimus, Sabaoth, Simiel, and Raguel."

      And tin-ker- bells go way, way back:

      "In Zoroastrianism there are different angel like creatures. For example each person has a guardian angel called Fravashi. They patronize human being and other creatures and also manifest god’s energy. Also, the Amesha Spentas have often been regarded as angels, but they don't convey messages, but are rather emanations of Ahura Mazda ("Wise Lord", God); they appear in an abstract fashion in the religious thought of Zarathustra and then later (during the Achaemenid period of Zoroastrianism) became personalized, associated with an aspect of the divine creation (fire, plants, water...)."

      "The beginnings of the biblical belief in angels must be sought in very early folklore. The gods of the Hitti-tes and Canaanites had their supernatural messengers, and parallels to the Old Testament stories of angels are found in Near Eastern literature. "

      "The 'Magic Papyri' contain many spells to secure just such help and protection of angels. From magic traditions arose the concept of the guardian angel. "

      For added information see the review at:

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel

      February 22, 2013 at 7:41 am |
  11. Jacob

    “We have people who’ve committed adultery and who lie and who steal, but that doesn’t mean they’re not welcome to come to our church.”

    Translation: I'll take anybody's money.

    February 21, 2013 at 11:37 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      L M F A O

      February 21, 2013 at 11:39 pm |
    • Franklin

      When it gets right down to it I'll bet it's more like "I'll take anyone's money ... unless it upsets too many other people enough for them to take their money elsewhere."

      February 22, 2013 at 12:03 am |
  12. Salero21

    Atheism is like a barrel and atheists are like the monkeys in the barrel. A barrel full of monkeys is as much fun as atheists in their atheism.

    February 21, 2013 at 11:35 pm |
    • relaxasaurus

      Great job. Statements like these will have people running to your church. Jesus is smiling down on you for turning people away. Nice work!

      February 21, 2013 at 11:37 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      Do you know how long it took him to put that together? And you make fun of him. Shame on you. :)

      February 21, 2013 at 11:40 pm |
    • ..

      Salero21=truth be told=just saying=just wondering=captain america=Soldier of Conscience=same asshole troll.

      February 21, 2013 at 11:41 pm |
    • God

      Ninth Commandment, no bearing false witness. Lake of Fire for you.

      February 21, 2013 at 11:44 pm |
    • Franklin

      Salero21
      Well, at lease we are fun! :-)

      February 22, 2013 at 12:04 am |
    • Chris

      I'm Christian - but on the fringe cause any athiest in any barrel is better than being stuck near most Christians.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:20 am |
    • Johnny Guitar

      You're all right, Chris. It's the nutter Christians we don't like.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:37 am |
    • Wrathbrow

      I really do like these kinda posts. They make the best case for exactly what they are trying to make a case against.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:52 am |
    • Athy

      Chris, it's atheist, not athiest. Shit, isn't there a religie out there that can spell?

      February 22, 2013 at 12:57 am |
  13. Kevin

    Good decision Tebow, you don't want to be lumod in with people like that. God Bless You.

    February 21, 2013 at 11:34 pm |
    • Jimmy

      Yup, LIBERAL Churches all the way!!

      February 22, 2013 at 12:06 am |
    • Standing in for Dippy

      "Lumod"?

      February 22, 2013 at 12:36 am |
    • Dippy

      Lumod?

      February 22, 2013 at 12:58 am |
  14. Steve

    CNN might want to look up the definition of cult. Mormonism fits the definition as it venerates a person, Joseph Smith.

    February 21, 2013 at 11:32 pm |
    • clarity

      Paul was a person. If you buy his story, you may as well believe Joe Smith & Related Families, Inc.

      February 21, 2013 at 11:37 pm |
    • OTOH

      Steve,

      If you are a Christian at all - the only, and that's ONLY, description of what this "Christ" said or did is from first century cult writings. You follow a cult's teachings and writings whether you acknowledge it or not.

      February 21, 2013 at 11:48 pm |
    • Jimmy

      Ah, Jesus was a person too. Did he ever say "Hey guys, from now on I want you to worship me too!"?

      February 22, 2013 at 12:08 am |
    • Chris

      Christianity venerates a person...Jesus - oh we all believe he was more, but the down and dirty is we worship a PERSON and to an even great degree Conservative Christians worship the bible. as if the words are God.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:21 am |
    • Jimmy

      Chris
      Can you think of a more mortifying thing you could ever do to a devout rabbi like Jesus than to make his memory a thing of blasphemy like Christians have? It's kind of sickly fitting that making Jesus into a graven idol to another religion, and thus ripping from him all of his Jewish ident.ity, was the very first act of anti-Semitism recorded in history.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:08 am |
  15. Josh Olsen

    “Tim called me last night and explained to me that because of some things going on in his personal life and his career he needed to steer clear of controversy right now, but that at some other date he would like to come and speak at our church,” Jeffress told CNN by phone from Dallas. “Tim has to do what Tim thinks is best for him right now.”

    - Looks like Tim might have just gotten "outed" for the "real" reason behind his cancellation. If that is true it kind of takes away from what could otherwise have been an honorable decision not to support bigotry. Or perhaps Jeffress is just trying to downplay the cancellation by dragging Tim's name down into the mud with him. If that is true Tim may want to reconsider ever speaking there in the future.

    February 21, 2013 at 11:31 pm |
  16. nleeklee

    Jesus is Lord. The Bible is true.

    February 21, 2013 at 11:25 pm |
    • David from Nor Cal

      Curious, is it odd having an imaginary friend after age 7?

      February 21, 2013 at 11:28 pm |
    • relaxasaurus

      Agreed but I promise you making 1 or 2-line statements like this is not going to help your cause. Do you go up to strangers in the street, say that and walk off? Get out of your bubble and learn how to talk to people that DON'T go to church.

      February 21, 2013 at 11:33 pm |
    • Casey

      The Bible is true, and it does not condemn h-o-m-s-e-x-u-a-l-i-t-y when it is put in historical and cultural context and is read using reason, as Jesus did. If you disagree, please cite a verse.

      February 21, 2013 at 11:46 pm |
    • Jimmy

      Casey
      Lots of us appreciate what you're trying to do, buddy, but you can't be saying that the Bible is totally "true", right? There are talking snakes, talking donkeys, unicorns, giants, and a seven headed beast with ten horns that that looks like a leopard, but has the feet of a bear, the mouth of a lion and comes out of the sea wearing ten crowns on each horn. (Revelation 13:1-3)

      It's a book filled with fairy tale creatures, and you want us to take it seriously?

      February 22, 2013 at 12:19 am |
    • Casey

      Jimmy – The Bible is true in that it is the spiritual history of the Hebrew and early Christian communities. It is inspired by God, but written by men who were influenced by the culture around them. It was never meant to be interpreted literally. Jesus did not interpret Scripture literally. If he did, he would have stoned the woman caught in adultery and would not have allowed his apostles to pick wheat on the Sabbath. Jesus interpreted Scripture using reason and compassion. Using reason to understand the cultural influences in the Bible is what allows us to differentiate between cultural norms which no longer apply and spiritual truths which do. If we did not use reason when reading and interpreting Scripture, people would still use Scripture to defend slavery.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:33 am |
    • End Religion

      Your god, your jesus, neither ever existed. The bible is fiction.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:39 am |
    • Jimmy

      Casey
      Not every story that is billed as being "inspired by" or "based upon" real events is actually what we'd call "truthful", right? Look at the movie Argo. Basically everyone says that it's total BS, and that the Canadians were 90% responsible for the complete rescue where the movie gives almost all the credit to the CIA.

      Well, as far as anyone can really prove, there is no God. People are "inspired" by the idea of God just like dictators are inspired by the idea of ruling without limit. If the Bible was never meant to be interpreted literally why were people stoned to death since before Jesus' time? Again, we appreciate what you're trying to do, but the Bible is just plain rotten fruit, and there is no amount of sugar you can heap upon it that will get rid of the awful taste.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:02 am |
  17. Rock

    People can mock all they want. God will have His judgement. All of you who mock and think it's cool to hate Christians will die in your sins and will not be spared. You will be damned to the lake of fire and will burn for eternity. I know God is real. I cant prove it. Just like you can't prove He's not. I don't hate any of you. I'm not crazy. I am a sinner just like you. But I have Him in my heart. He guides me through this life. I don't care that you think it's a cult. So many of my prayers have been answered over my life that there is no way your hate will ever make me doubt God. God Bless all of you. One day, when your judgement day comes... You will see.. and I hope you remember this day, this forum when you mocked the almighty God. This is your heaven, this is my hell. Enjoy your short time in heaven. A world full of sin, pain, and shame.. No matter how much hate you have for God, he will always forgive you and love you. Happy commenting

    February 21, 2013 at 11:23 pm |
    • End Religion

      @RockHead: "People can mock all they want. God will have His judgement."

      No he won't. It's just your wishful thinking.

      ***
      "I know God is real. I cant prove it."

      No one has yet, so please do as you'd likely gets lots of prizes and money for the glory of your impotent god. Get on with it.

      ***
      "I'm not crazy. I am a sinner just like you."

      You are delusional. I am not a sinner. There is no such thing.

      ***
      "So many of my prayers have been answered over my life that there is no way your hate will ever make me doubt God."

      Gambler's fallacy. Your prayer is no more effective than wishing on a lucky star.

      ***
      "One day, when your judgement day comes... You will see.."

      2000+ years of "you'll rue the day, one day." Soooooo boring. You boil inside for vengeance. Religion is a perfect excuse for your hate.

      February 21, 2013 at 11:29 pm |
    • SpaceCadet

      Wow, they scared you straight pretty well. Way to drink the Kool Aid!! Seriously, once people realize that we are all just specks on a rock floating in the universe and once we die, nothing happens, then we as a species can make some real advancements. Religion (no matter what kind) is used as control, and it is used to fill the void of the weak minded. But hey, whatever gets you to sleep at night...

      February 21, 2013 at 11:32 pm |
    • ..

      "...God will have His judgement. All of you who mock and think it’s cool to hate Christians will die in your sins and will not be spared." BUT – "...he will always forgive you and love you. Happy commenting."

      Alrighty then.

      February 21, 2013 at 11:33 pm |
    • Jimmy

      "I know God is real."
      Why? Because you feel that God is real? All that boils down to is wanting God to be real, right? Well, if wishes were horses, beggars would ride, and since I don't see much need for stables at the shelters, so I'm guessing that you're out of luck too, buddy.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:25 am |
    • Sandi

      @Rock
      You know, if you just said "If you don't believe in what I do, fine, that's your choice" a lot of us could still respect you, but you basically said "If you don't do as I say by daddy will beat you up" like a little brat. Consider this the next time you wonder why you can't make any friends.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:30 am |
  18. David from Nor Cal

    He is definitely the NFL's most talented bench warmer! Sit Tebow, SIT!!!!!!

    Tebow's carrer and his religion have something in common. They are both on their way out :-D

    February 21, 2013 at 11:23 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      Talented? Tiny Tim has better quarterbacking skills. (I'm really dating myself with that line)

      February 21, 2013 at 11:44 pm |
    • Sandi

      He's like most big names in the Christian community: Lot's of hype, but they don't actually do much more than just promote themselves.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:33 am |
  19. nleeklee

    The Bible is true. Jesus is Lord.

    February 21, 2013 at 11:20 pm |
    • relaxasaurus

      Agreed but I promise you making 1 or 2-line statements like this is not going to help your cause. Do you go up to strangers in the street, say that and walk off? Get out of your bubble and learn how to talk to people that DON'T go to church. All the blanket judging and condemnation will cause folks to turn the other way. Socializing 101.

      February 21, 2013 at 11:35 pm |
    • Sandi

      And some day Jesus will return to end democracy and political freedom throughout the world, bringing every person on the planet under his absolute rule, torturing millions, and so on, correct? That IS the American Christian Dream, the end of America, isn't it?

      Man, every new Fourth of July without his returning must be like a dagger in you're freedom-hating hearts, eh?

      February 22, 2013 at 12:43 am |
    • lol??

      The PUblic Servants supposedly won the cold war by bankrupting the Soviet Union. It worked so well they used it on the Masters. Now run along and service the debt, service master.

      February 22, 2013 at 12:48 am |
    • Athy

      The bible is bullshit. Jeebus is fiction.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:03 am |
    • ..

      And, as usual, lol?? makes as much sense as a lionlylamb post, which is to say: none.

      February 22, 2013 at 1:25 am |
  20. yugger2345

    Woof, are you Mark Sanchez's biggest fan? you seem to hate Tebow with a vengence lol

    February 21, 2013 at 11:19 pm |
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