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Tim Tebow pulls out of speaking at Dallas church
February 21st, 2013
10:40 AM ET

Tim Tebow pulls out of speaking at Dallas church

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - NFL quarterback Tim Tebow has canceled an appearance at a controversial Dallas-area church. The outspoken Christian quarterback was scheduled to speak at First Baptist Church on April 28.

The church is led by Robert Jeffress, who has been widely criticized for views against homosexuality, Islam and Mormonism. Tebow, announcing his decision Thursday on Twitter, said that he was canceling his appearance “due to new information that has been brought to my attention.”

Tebow’s statement appeared over a series of four tweets on the social media site.

“I will continue to use the platform God has blessed me with to bring Faith, Hope and Love to all those needing a brighter day. Thank you for all of your love and support. God Bless!” he wrote to his Twitter followers.

Tebow was scheduled to speak at the 11,000-member Dallas church as part of a monthlong celebration of the megachurch’s completion of a new building campaign, a $130 million dollar project that encompasses five blocks of the downtown.

“Tim called me last night and explained to me that because of some things going on in his personal life and his career he needed to steer clear of controversy right now, but that at some other date he would like to come and speak at our church,” Jeffress told CNN by phone from Dallas.  “Tim has to do what Tim thinks is best for him right now.”

The First Baptist Church of Dallas is a member of the Southern Baptist Convention.  Jeffress, who has been in its pulpit since 2007, is no stranger to controversy.

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After introducing Texas Gov. Rick Perry at the Values Voter Summit in Washington in October 2011, Jeffress told reporters he believed Mormonism was a cult, expressing a personal position and one held by his denomination.  The move was seen as a particular slight to former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, a lifelong Mormon.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, while acknowledging sharp theological differences with the Southern Baptist Convention, bristles at the term cult and says it is inaccurate.

Jeffress has also drawn fire for his comments about homosexuality, Judiasm and Catholicism.

“This in no way is going to diminish what our church is teaching about salvation being available to all through faith in Jesus Christ,” Jeffress said.

Jeffress pointed out that Tebow is a member of the First Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Florida, a fellow SBC church.

“They certainly believe what we do, that salvation is through Christ alone, and about homosexuality.  Tim confirmed that to me last night, that they believe exactly what we do about homosexuality.”

Tebow and Jeffress differ dramatically in how they present their faith.  Tebow in talking about his faith has used much softer language, while Jeffress has no trouble going after less popular and culturally sensitive issues in Christianity.

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“I believe that homosexuality is a sin just like adultery is a sin, just like I believe premarital sex is a sin, because it’s a deviation from God’s standard,” Jeffress said.

“God’s plan for sex is that is should be between a man and a woman in a marriage relationship and any deviation from that is wrong.”

While he believes any sex outside a heterosexual marriage is wrong, he adds, “I never single out homosexuality as the only sin or the unpardonable sin. I think homosexuality, just like adultery, can be forgiven if we ask God for forgiveness.”

Jeffress said he thinks there is a genetic disposition toward homosexuality, a stance on sexual orientation taken by many theologically conservative Christians and one scorned as scientifically flawed by the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.

Jeffress said he is sure there are gay members in his church.  “We don’t ask all the gay members to stand up, but I’m sure that there are people who are gay in our church simply because of the letters I have received,” he said.  “We have people who’ve committed adultery and who lie and who steal, but that doesn’t mean they’re not welcome to come to our church.”

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As for comments about Mormons, Jews and Catholics, he is quick to point out that he believes “no one goes to hell in a group.”

“I’m not the one who decides who goes to heaven and hell. God does that. God has already given us the criteria for what it takes to go to heaven when you die. Jesus said in John 14:6, ‘I am the way, the truth and the life, and no man comes to the father except through me.’  When I quote that verse I like to remind people that Jesus who said that was not a Southern Baptist evangelist but a Jewish rabbi. Yet as a Jewish rabbi he said there is one way to heaven, and that is through faith in me.”

The controversy surrounding Tebow’s appearance won’t dampen the church’s plans, Jeffress said. He said Tebow, while escaping the spotlight now over his beliefs, will continue to face controversy.

“I think Tim is going to discover that no matter how hard you try to hide from controversy, if you stand for the simple truths of the Bible, like faith in Christ, necessary for salvation, and sex (being acceptable only) between a man and a woman in marriage, you can't avoid controversy.  That’s something Tim needs to discover on his own.  We in no way want to impugn him.  He’s a great man of God who sincerely loves the Lord.”

- CNN Belief Blog

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soundoff (2,828 Responses)
  1. Rob

    They need the message of Christ as much as anyone, including the liberal media.

    February 21, 2013 at 1:09 pm |
    • Jesus' Message

      “Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.”

      February 21, 2013 at 1:11 pm |
  2. wmay

    I can't stand all of these bigoted, intolerant, hateful people who are against personal choice and freedom. The ones who believe that people who don't believe the same as them are ignorant and evil. These people have no respect for individuality or choice! I'm speaking of the anti Christians posting here, by the way.

    February 21, 2013 at 1:08 pm |
    • Google Translator

      Translation of wmay's post: "I am bigotted against atheists, so I will call them the bigots."

      February 21, 2013 at 1:09 pm |
    • cw

      You're free to believe whatever you want to believe, but when Christianity starts infringing on the rights of others, then it becomes something of which to be intolerant.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:10 pm |
    • Doobs

      What about the ones who want to deny civil rights to others based on their religious beliefs?

      February 21, 2013 at 1:10 pm |
    • translator for google translator

      I am bigoted against Christians, so I will call them bigots.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:11 pm |
    • Saraswati

      This is a story about a church with very specific beliefs regarding ho mose xuality, Mormonism and Islam so you can assume that comments here are addressing that brand of Christianity in particular. Do you think that just because a group declares its beliefs "religious" they should be above criticism?

      February 21, 2013 at 1:11 pm |
    • tony

      Personal choice and freedom is fine, until you start indoctrinating children ("grooming"), or inflicting harm on others who don;t agree with you. (Spanish Inquisition, Boko Harem, etc.) . Then it becomes criminal, and very, very wrong.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:11 pm |
    • Yeah

      I just love people who can achieve irony and hypocrisy in so few words: "I can't stand all of these bigoted, intolerant, hateful people"

      February 21, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
  3. tony

    The Tea Party want to see Jesus's original birth certificate, otherwise they don't believe he is qualified to run for "son of god".

    February 21, 2013 at 1:04 pm |
    • meifumado

      Careful, they may find out he's a Jew.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:05 pm |
    • Tea Party Jethro

      As long as he isn't a ni, uh, black, we will accept him.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:12 pm |
  4. Death To Muggles

    Like Tebow didnt know about the hate coming from this church.
    But when the backlash started, and Tebow looking for his next NFL gig,
    bad time for bad publicity.

    Tim praises god for a touchdown, but never holds god responsible for an interception.
    Idiot.

    February 21, 2013 at 12:58 pm |
    • Bible-thinking

      Interceptions and losses are the work of satan trying to deceive Tebow fans.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:02 pm |
    • meifumado

      So true.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:04 pm |
    • Saraswati

      Rumor is he had a combined SAT score of 890, which, if true, would indicate he was not among out best and brightest. He may very well have been ignorant of what the church believed. He also studied a notoriously easy major in college, so likely hasn't learned a lot since that 890.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:04 pm |
    • Platypus Rex

      A combined score of 890? Really? The minimum possible score is 600, and the maximum is 2400. 890 means he is barely smart enough to find the light switch.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:21 pm |
  5. Bingo Crosbiano

    Anyone who doesn't know the difference between an astrologer and an astronomer must be expected to be easily dazzled by church-fed lies like those.

    February 21, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
  6. tony

    He didn't realize he wasn't going to get his usual percentage of the "gate".

    February 21, 2013 at 12:53 pm |
  7. To all of the NON believers...

    So, we are just on this Earth by chance uh. Why is the Earth at the right spot in the Universe and the right distance from the Sun and the Moon? Obviously because a higher being has created it that way. Any closer to the Sun, we would have burned up...no life at all. Any closer to the Moon, we would freeze any farther we would have major problems with gravity and with the Earth being 70% water...major tsunamis etc.. Earths axis is perfect ....can't move another 2 or 3 degress or it will be catastrophic. The evolution chain of events has stopped. We can all believe that the BIG BANG theory created it all....if so, what caused the BIG BANG theory to happen in the first place. Even the most re-nowed scientist and astrologers like Stephen Hawking can't explain why everything is created so perfect. The only thing he can tell you is.. there is no God. One day you will be looking for a spot to fill that void in your life...and you will find what you are looking for, it will be JESUS. You can all say what you want to, but everyone has their own beliefs and opinions. Don't come down on other people because they found something to fill their void in their life.

    February 21, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
    • sam

      I facepalmed so hard I gave myself a concussion. Gotta go lie down now.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:50 pm |
    • Doobs

      astrologers like Stephen Hawking can't explain why everything is created so perfect.

      So much fail.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
    • Larry of Nazareth

      Evolution has stopped – Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!!!!

      Ever notice how the various strains of flu MUTATE as they go around, so that often your flu shot no longer works because the strain EVOLVED too much.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:53 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Why would you leap to such an unjustifyable conclusion like "Obviously because a higher being has created it that way"

      Why not "Obviously we live in the matrix, or obviously we are inside of a speck of dust on a flower, that is being held by an elephant named Horton.)

      See...I can jump to ridiculous conclusions too.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:54 pm |
    • Colin Morgan

      If you want to believe in sky fae, have at it. I only ask that people quit legislating and governing according to "Rules of the Sky" via personal belief that were written thousands of years ago, by man.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:54 pm |
    • Eric G

      I just filled my void with White Castle burgers and a Snickers bar.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:55 pm |
    • OOO

      An incredibly self-centered look at why things are...

      February 21, 2013 at 12:55 pm |
    • sam

      I am begging you to find the nearest 4th grader and have them explain the history of our solar system to you. The rest, we'll try and deal with later.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:55 pm |
    • tony

      And why are the holy collection plates always perfectly round?

      February 21, 2013 at 12:55 pm |
    • Wowsers!

      You really have to admire people like the OP who can pack so much ignorance into so few words. It would take a few pages of explanations to debunk all the many many MANY absurdities of his tiny-brained mistakes.

      The density of his density is truly impressive.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:56 pm |
    • meifumado

      You have the internet do some research its all there plain to see.

      Now prove to us how "god" did these things, You cant can you? Faith is not fact. Faith is not the truth, it's delusional.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
    • Saraswati

      How many planets do you think there are in the universe, and what percent do you think have life? If this were the only planet your argument might be more credible, but as it is we’re just a tiny fluke in a largely lifeless universe. I don’t claim to know all the answers, but our existence in the universe is not real evidence given the numbers.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
    • snowboarder

      the classic fallacious argument that god must have put everything here perfectly (obviously not so perfect) for our benefit instead of the logical reasoning that we are here because the environment was optimal for us to develop here.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
    • Chris

      This dude is a loon!

      February 21, 2013 at 12:59 pm |
    • atheistguy

      LOL, you argumnet doesn't make sense! How is it obvious? There are billions and pssibly trillions of planets that have the same distance from the sun. Think of things in cosmic time and who knows how many planets there havee been. Argue critically. Not with religion and making false dichotomies for your arguements.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:00 pm |
    • What IF

      @To all of the NON believers...,

      If the Earth were to be different perhaps we would not be here; but then, perhaps we (or another life form) might be here and things might be BETTER than what we have now. The Earth could be more stable geologically and climatologically and we might have sturdier, more disease resistant bodies, longer life spans and larger brains with which to figure stuff out.

      Cataclysms and disasters happen all the time both out in space and here on Earth.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:02 pm |
    • atheistguy

      your arguement doesn't prove that god exists. All it does is show that we have theories. these are testable theories. Just because we don't know for sure, doesn't make your god any more valid. let go of your fear. You'll be a happier person.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
    • Giggling Merlin

      It's truly wonderful that someone who does not understand simple science thinks he Understands Hawkings, who he has never read, of course.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:04 pm |
    • skytag

      More evidence that religion makes people stupid.

      "Why is the Earth at the right spot in the Universe and the right distance from the Sun and the Moon?"

      Suppose there is no god, but that out of billions of stars and planets conditions exist on a handful of planets, or maybe even just this one, that allowed life to spontaneous begin and evolve to the point sentient beings such as human beings could exist. There reason the things you describe are what they are for the planet where you exist is that if they weren't so ideal you wouldn't exist to ask your this question.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:05 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Wow, my 3 year old nephew has a better grasp on reality. When christians stop infiltrating their beliefs in to society, we'll stop coming down on them. Your god of the gaps argument is tiresome.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:06 pm |
    • Surprise

      You would have thought that jesus would make a second coming just to show Tebow how to throw the quick out pass. I guess prayer really doesn't work for Timmy.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:06 pm |
    • youdontknowjacque

      I believe everyone has the freedom to believe whatever they want, thank goodness for the country in which we live in order to exercise that right. I also believe all religions are included in that right, and those who are blind to see the evolution of this country, minorities becoming the majority and all faiths or none at all practiced in each home is the important point. For Christians, Muslims, Jewish, or Atheist to disregard each other's beliefs is arrogant, and obviously the root of all wars since the beginning of time. Once each of these religious believers or non-believers actually practice what their respective God teaches (tolerance, love, and respect) the world can finally embrace a far more important idea- HUMANITY.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:06 pm |
    • Lamar in Dallas, TX

      Interesting point, but the earth has been here a long time. Why did God wait til just over 2,000 years ago to send his "son" here? And why was he foolish enough to create humans in the first place? The planet was doing a heck of a lot better before we got here and started destroying it!

      February 21, 2013 at 1:09 pm |
    • skytag

      "if so, what caused the BIG BANG theory to happen in the first place"

      The fact that we don't have answers for everything is not proof God is the answer. That's just stupid. Throughout the course of history men have used God to explain countless events and phenomena, only to have science come along and discover the real explanation. People don't get sick because of evil spirits, but because of germs and bacteria, for example.

      Although science obviously hasn't explained everything, the trend has always been one way: Scientific explanations replace divine explanations, not the other way around. Science can't tell us what initiated the Big Bang, but you can't tell us how God came into being, so all you've done is replace one question for which no one has an answer with not one, but many questions for which no one has an answer.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Larry of Nazareth : Ever notice how the various strains of flu MUTATE as they go around, so that often your flu shot no longer works because the strain EVOLVED too much.

      And yet, it is still called "The Flu" – i.e. not another species.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:15 pm |
    • Saraswati

      LOL – I didn't even see the astrologer line. Wow, we need higher education standards.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:15 pm |
    • To all of the NON believers...

      This is the reason why i posted this comment earlier. Read some of these posts. So much hate and animosity towards Christians or God followers it's unreal. First thing first....Nobody said you have to believe in God...that's something you choose to do. Why spoil someone elses joy that they have in their life. Nobody can explain why the Universe is set so perfectly...only thing NON believers can say is...God didn't create it. Then tell me who did...PLEASE. Sure wasn't man. You all get so made and come on the offensive when somebody talks about God. Let people believe in who and what they want to...it's not being pumped down your throat.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:16 pm |
    • Bubba

      Please stop.... I believe in God, and in Creation, but your argument is not very bright, because God would not create us, and place us in a non-life sustaining environment. God is obviously smarter than that. Although, it is clear, that some Creationist, like you, are not. And who is to say that God, did not take a couple of Billion Years to do His thing with us.
      I know the Bible speaks of Days, but then, the Bible is inaccurate on many issues. Don't limit God to the marginal understanding of a few prophets. If I explained Chaos theory to you, in detail, you would not get it, you are not bright enough, and the same is true of God communicating with His very intelligence constrained prophets.
      Your argument is DUNG!

      February 21, 2013 at 1:17 pm |
    • Reasonably

      Christian-centric-view fail.
      Ignorance of chaos theory fail.

      Next.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:20 pm |
    • Saraswati

      OK...let's add microbiology and basic concepts of evolution to the curriculum areas the kiddies apparently aren’t hitting in school. Scary stuff when our population doesn't have a grasp on concept the average 12 year old has already mastered in Finland or South Korea.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:21 pm |
    • Larry of Nazareth

      On Live4Him, are you really that stupid? "The flu" is not a species name. It is a colloquialism that covers all strains of the general virus.

      Biological change = evolution

      February 21, 2013 at 1:25 pm |
    • Saraswati

      @To all of the NON believers...

      Reread your own first post before playing victim here when you get called out on your ignorance.

      You started:

      "So, we are just on this Earth by chance uh."

      This is a confrontational insult implying your opponent’s opinion is stupid.

      "Why is the Earth at the right spot in the Universe and the right distance from the Sun and the Moon? Obviously because a higher being has created it that way."

      Stating anything as "obvious" is again equivalent to calling your opponent stupid.

      You want to say these underhanded insults and get away with it without anyone calling you out. Look, you said some very incorrect things as people have pointed out. You don't understand some very, very basic science. People are justifiably scared by the fact that people like you have political power in influencing what is taught in schools and making laws that actually hurt people. Don't go crying "tolerance" when you started this. I don’t care if you believe in a god. I do care if you have a god concept based on ignorance because that kind of ignorance has the high odds of making you do some nutty things and vote in ways that impact me personally and millions of others around the country.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:29 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      "Why spoil someone elses joy that they have in their life. Nobody can explain why the Universe is set so perfectly...only thing NON believers can say is...God didn't create it. Then tell me who did...PLEASE. Sure wasn't man. You all get so made and come on the offensive when somebody talks about God. Let people believe in who and what they want to...it's not being pumped down your throat."

      Why? It infiltrates every aspect of this world and you christians want it taught as fact when there is not a shred of evidence to back it.

      No, the universe is far from perfect and we don't claim it to be. We say we don't believe a god created it simply due to the fact that there is no evidence outside of the bible to back it. We at least are honest in saying we don't know. Christians plug a god in to when they have no comprehension of the evidence set before them and that is not honest. The bottom line is we don't know what caused the Big Bang and neither do you.

      You say it isn't being pumped down our throats!! What world are you residing in? Tax exempt religious groups, wanting Intelligent Design taught in our schools; wanting the Lords Prayer in schools; rampant attacks on people who are homose</b<xual; rampant attacks on abortion; rampant attacks on a persons right to do with their body as they see fit; rampant attacks on women's rights...how is that not pumping it down our throats?

      Keep it out of our lives and we'll stop speaking out against, until then enjoy the ride...we're on the winning side :-).

      February 21, 2013 at 1:32 pm |
    • Eric G

      "Nobody can explain why the Universe is set so perfectly...only thing NON believers can say is...God didn't create it. Then tell me who did...PLEASE. Sure wasn't man."

      Ok, now we are on to something. You may be right. Please provide an example of a universe that is not set so perfectly so we can compare the two.

      The universe is "set" the way that it is becuase of physics. You can do the math yourself, or ask for help.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:34 pm |
    • sam

      You're getting these comments because you have demonstrated a gross lack of even the most basic logic. I don't give a rat's ass what you believe, it's just hard to let foolishness like yours proliferate. When you say something stupid, people are going to correct you.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:35 pm |
    • Don Piano

      Just kind of scares a lot of folks when people with your total lack of basic knowledge are allowed to help make decisions that might affect the whole country. I don't get how you made it out of school (if you did) thinking most of this stuff.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:38 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Eric G

      No. Lie4Him's question is fundanmentally flawed by automatically injecting the "who". It presupposes a few things.
      1) That the universe was "created"
      2) That it had to have been a "who".

      The perfect example of a Begging the Question Fallacy.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:41 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Sorry, the moronic question was posed to the moron who thinks capitalizing NON all the time is somewhat relevant.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:42 pm |
    • Eric G

      @hawaiiguest: SHHHHHH........ you are gonna scare them away.

      You know how they run and hide when asked logical questions.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:43 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Eric G

      Let them run. I'm tired of dishonest pathetic piles of shit that can only post inane stupidity while claiming some kind of high ground. They're useless.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      'Nobody can explain why the Universe is set so perfectly'
      what do you mean by 'set so perfectly'? what does that even mean?

      'So, we are just on this Earth by chance uh.'
      yep. nothing special about us, sorry. To the universe we are quieter than worm farts.

      'Why is the Earth at the right spot in the Universe'
      right spot in the universe for what? what a bizarre question.

      'and the right distance from the Sun and the Moon? Obviously because a higher being has created it that way. Any closer to the Sun, we would have burned up...no life at all. Any closer to the Moon, we would freeze any farther we would have major problems with gravity and with the Earth being 70% water...major tsunamis etc.. Earths axis is perfect ....can't move another 2 or 3 degress or it will be catastrophic.'
      sigh. The Earth is as it is due to the conditions it is in. We are how we are because of the conditions, the conditions were not made for us. They came first and dictated how things developed, including us.

      'The evolution chain of events has stopped.'
      do what now? based on what evidence?

      'Even the most re-nowed scientist and astrologers like Stephen Hawking can't explain why everything is created so perfect.'
      created so perfect in what way? Hawking will tell you what i said earlier about conditions dictating how we are, not the other way round.

      'Don't come down on other people because they found something to fill their void in their life.'
      So its like we say then....religion is a crutch to help people cope.

      February 21, 2013 at 2:21 pm |
    • mr chow

      Larry is spending too much time in the basement on google so he can refute all. You are correct Laurence with all you say. Good job and keep up the good work on the internet. Those who fefute you are wrong so go change your sweatpants and ask mom to make more meatloaf.

      February 21, 2013 at 4:46 pm |
  8. TStephens

    John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

    February 21, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Any cult leader would say the same thing

      February 21, 2013 at 12:48 pm |
    • Larry of Nazareth

      1 Timothy 2:12: "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent."

      February 21, 2013 at 12:48 pm |
    • Madtown

      I guess those unfortunate human souls who've never heard of Jesus are out of luck?

      February 21, 2013 at 12:50 pm |
    • RG1

      Buhda said that first.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:54 pm |
    • Eric G

      I thought that was Jim Morrison.......

      February 21, 2013 at 12:59 pm |
    • meifumado

      Wait he wants me to come on his father?

      Did not know he swung that way.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:00 pm |
    • Death To Muggles

      Papa Smurf says that if you dont pick Smurfberries, you dont get eat.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
    • Dan Halen

      "Love one another as I have loved you." I don't think Jesus meant to make exceptions for gays or anyone else.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:06 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      'No one comes to the Father except through me.'

      probably a mistranslation. He actually said 'if you want my father you have to go through me first!, grrrrr!'

      February 21, 2013 at 2:23 pm |
  9. Jumping Jack Flash

    He was choking on the talking snake thing !!!!

    February 21, 2013 at 12:45 pm |
    • atheistguy

      Bahahahaha! Religion is so ridiculous! People get with it! There is no God! You are all going to die and not go to heaven. The outdated belief in this rubbish is just sad. Read a book other than the bible. Jesus more than likely never existed and he certainly wasn't the son of a God. Trust in science. At least that way we have theories that are testable. Not blind faith in ridiculous claims and people such as these idiots from this church. You are lagging behin America.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
  10. Live4Him

    @ME II : When was Jesus born? "in the days of Herod the king" or "while Quirinius was governor of Syria." which was after the death of Herod.

    A census is mentioned on an ancient tombstone called “Lapis Venetus” (stone of Venice). The tombstone was for a Roman officer who, under orders from Quirinius, made a census of Apamea, a city in Syria. Vardaman uses microletters on the tombstone to date the tombstone itself to 10 B.C. Microletters on the tombstone also state that the census of Apamea took place in the year that Quirinius was a Roman consul

    February 21, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
    • Jumping Jack Flash

      He was choking on the talking snake thing !!!!

      February 21, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
    • Fumble

      Is this a misplaced post or something? It makes no sense in the context of this page.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:05 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      'The date of the census is not given and scholars identify it with the census of Quirinius in Syria and Judea in 6/7 AD '

      February 21, 2013 at 2:27 pm |
  11. Dark Drew

    in regards to Robert Jeffress, Never Trust a Man who puts his words in the mouth of GOD and swears its absolute Truth, It's LIES and it smells like Death.

    February 21, 2013 at 12:40 pm |
  12. dotheflippin'math

    I'm glad Tebow did the right thing. That church and all those who preach predjudice and hatred should be shunned.

    February 21, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
    • sam

      Oh, I'm sure he still fully agrees with the church's positions; but the negative press is bad for his image. That's the only reason he's backing away.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
  13. Jeebus Chreebus

    When is Tebow going to come out of the closet?

    February 21, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
    • Ray

      Amen.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
    • Larry Mandrell

      If you really knew anything you would have already shot your big mouth off.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:56 pm |
    • Steve

      Agreed. My gaydar is pretty darn accurate and Tebow is 100% gay.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:59 pm |
  14. Sydney

    I don't understand folks that blindly "don't believe" ????

    February 21, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
    • Dark Drew

      I can't stand or understand Zealots who blindly follow a man who puts his words in the mouth of God and swears its absolute Truth.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
    • DaTruth

      What does that even mean? You mean the people who ask for even a shred of proof or evidence before they believe something? According to your premises, you should believe me when I say that the center of the sun is a ball of moldy cheese, because you can't prove other wise. Why don't you blindly believe me?? How are your claims of a mythical sky creature any more valid than my assertion that the center of the sun is filled with rotten cheese?

      February 21, 2013 at 12:43 pm |
    • Dustin

      I don't understand folks that do believe.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
    • Larry of Nazareth

      Sydney, to understand it, say the following: "I don't understand folks that blindly don't believe in Zeus." (That's a statement and not a question, so the question marks were wrong).

      Or, if you really want to understand, say this: "There is absolutely no hint of evidence anywhere in the universe for anything I believe."

      February 21, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
    • Rick Lawson

      Faith is believing what you know ain't so.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:53 pm |
    • Chris

      That's the most ignorant statement I've ever heard. Why would blindly believe in something that there is ZERO evidence of? Do you believe in Unicorns? There is just as much evidence for unicorns and god. Yet you don't see the irony that you blindly believe in one, but not the other.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:56 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @DaTruth : You mean the people who ask for even a shred of proof or evidence before they believe something?

      It is commendable to look for evidence before accepting something as true. But, it is also reprehensible to ignore the evidence when it is known.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
    • cw

      There is NO evidence for the existence of a deity., Live4Him Try again.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
    • Giggling Merlin

      List your evidence, Live4Him. I've never seen any, and would love to actually encounter some.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:08 pm |
    • Reasonably

      Don't believe what?

      "I don't believe in isms. Isms in my opinion are a bad thing. A man should not believe in an ism – he should believe in himself."
      -The Walrus

      February 21, 2013 at 1:25 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Giggling Merlin : List your evidence, Live4Him. I've never seen any, and would love to actually encounter some.

      Obviously, you've heard of and are able to see the Bible. This is evidence that cannot be discounter without cause. We know this universe is composed of three basic elements: Matter, Energy and Time. The Bible starts off with the creation of these three elements. This argument is known as the Cosmological Argument, which was initially proposed by Aristotle (a non-Christian) as "The Unmoved Mover".

      Other arguments include the Teleological Argument and the Moral Argument.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:25 pm |
    • skytag

      You don't understand people who blindly don't believe in what, Santa Claus? Leprechauns? Alien abductions?

      February 21, 2013 at 1:36 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      'Obviously, you've heard of and are able to see the Bible. This is evidence that cannot be discounter without cause.'
      evidence of what? that man can write books?

      'We know this universe is composed of three basic elements: Matter, Energy and Time. The Bible starts off with the creation of these three elements. This argument is known as the Cosmological Argument'

      No its not. That description has got nothing to do with the cosmological argument at all. The bible does no more start off with these elements than other creation myths do, and its a stretch to suggest that because it takes a day to do something in the bible that it must be referring to god creating 'time' and can be considered to be scientific knowledge.

      February 21, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
  15. crappygovernment

    Acts 14:1-2 talks about Tebowphobia:
    14 The same thing happened in Iconium. Paul and Barnabas entered the Jewish synagogue and spoke(won football games) as they had before. As a result, a huge number of Jews and Greeks believed. 2 However, the Jews who rejected the faith stirred up the Gentiles, poisoning their minds against the brothers.

    February 21, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
    • You are a dingbat

      What kind of dumb-ass god would try to recruit at football games using a mediocre player why acts in defiance of "do not pray in public like the hypocrites do"? Would Jesus choose someone with talent instead?

      February 21, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
    • jimbo913

      he's too busy showering Ray Lewis and team with glory. you know because he speaks through and blesses murderers. i mean the highest concentrations of religious people are often in prisons.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:48 pm |
    • Akira

      Barnabas Collins?
      I jest. Don't jump all over me.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:25 pm |
    • skytag

      Hitler spoke to groups and converted people too. So did Jim Jones. What do you think it proves that some people have the ability to convince people to follow them?

      February 21, 2013 at 1:39 pm |
  16. Tom

    A fool has said in his heart there is no God....speaks clearly to many of the people that have commented!

    February 21, 2013 at 12:37 pm |
    • The Con-Man Tactics Of The Bible

      Bible Con-Man Tactic #302: Write that those who laugh at your ridiculous assertions are fools.

      Now, if the Bible were true, would it really use grifter tactics like that?

      February 21, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      A fool has said in his heart there is no Santa Claus.

      Same difference.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
    • sam

      Oh look, you've done your good deed for the day. Pat yourself on the back and hit the showers.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
    • Larry Mandrell

      For those who don't understand why we believe, You cannot come to me unless my Father first calls you.
      This would worry me more that scientific proof!

      February 21, 2013 at 12:59 pm |
    • Chris

      I can quote the bible too!

      Malichi 2:3 "Behold, I will corrupt your seed and spread DUNG upon your faces."

      The bible is the most pointless, poorly written piece of turd in history. The fact that people read and believe it is the most laughable part. You are beyond a fool.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      @Larry Mandrell: It's called schizophrenia. They have medication for that now.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:09 pm |
    • sam

      Larry, no one wants to come to you.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:10 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      'A fool has said in his heart there is no God'
      so those that dont believe in god are fools because i say that those that dont believe in god are fools. thats basically the translation.
      thats easy, anyone can play that game.

      February 21, 2013 at 2:36 pm |
    • sam stone

      No, Tom...the fools are those who purport to speak for god.

      February 21, 2013 at 3:48 pm |
    • sam stone

      There are many gods you do not believe in, Tom. I guess you are a fool too.

      February 21, 2013 at 3:50 pm |
  17. Sly

    Why do y'all argue whether you believe in God or not. Some folks believe. Others don't.

    Some folks think the Yankees are the best. Others think the Red Sox are the best. Most of us can't stand either team.

    Some folks believe you should brush your dog daily, others think once a week is fine.

    Some folks think ladies in short dresses are cute, others think ladies should be all covered up.

    To each their own. I sure don't care what y'all worship, so long as you keep your opinions to yourself. You can pray to Wicca, Buddha, Allah, Jesus, or a Brittney Spears wall poster .... it's your own beliefs and they are all just as valid as anyone else's.

    February 21, 2013 at 12:36 pm |
    • Saraswati

      I also don't care whether a person believes in gods or not, but I do care if they hold beliefs that harm others either by they way they influence direct actions or voting patterns. There are a variety of valid beliefs, but also a large class of dangerous and harmful beliefs. What we all need to do is keep questioning both ourselves and others to make sure our beliefs don't fall into that latter category.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
    • Andrew

      Well said; Live and let live. I find it humorous when people from the No H8 crowd and people who preach about tolerance for everyone, are the very same people that hate Christianity and show their intolerance torwards their beliefs.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
    • DaTruth

      The problem is that THEY DON'T keep to themselves. They try to impose thier beliefs on others, and in the past decade have attempted to make thier personal opinions into law.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:45 pm |
    • Mimi

      Amen Sly! Believe or don't, it's entirely up to the individual. I'm no ones judge but my own. That's enough responsibility for anyone.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:58 pm |
    • ahmadnoori75@yahoo.com

      Yes i agree with you that people have the right to pray what ever or whomever they want to pray to. My problem, don't let use religion to hate another regilious, or another group of people. A lot Christians hate muslims because they are muslims and vis versa. Even though both religions teach peace and tolerance. we should all be tolerant of other instead of hating each other. Hate speech turns into hatefull actions and eventually murders. So if this Church in Dallas having hatefull speeches against muslims or gays or any other group then i'm glad that T-Bow bowed out. Peace.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:13 pm |
    • skytag

      Religion is not comparable to any of the things you listed. Societies don't base laws on those things. People haven't been persecuted, tortured and killed because of those things. Wars haven't been started and genocide hasn't been attempted over football teams. Your reasoning is pretty naive.

      February 21, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      'Andrew – Well said; Live and let live. I find it humorous when people from the No H8 crowd and people who preach about tolerance for everyone, are the very same people that hate Christianity and show their intolerance torwards their beliefs.'

      You mistake tolerating a person's religious belief with not being able to comment on that belief. It does not mean not having an opinion.

      Personally I find it more humorous when those who claim to follow a belief system that specifically commands no hatred, forgiveness and love, show intolerance and hatred to others.

      February 21, 2013 at 2:40 pm |
  18. eb

    1 Timothy 4 New International Version (NIV) The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

    February 21, 2013 at 12:36 pm |
    • SeilnoigileR

      Typical bible loophole. Can't explain it? Find a verse that covers it! Lawyers should study the bible as general training for double-speak and loophole creation.

      February 21, 2013 at 7:25 pm |
  19. hrdwrknjoe

    You ain't so dumb now are you TEBOW? You know what side gets the butter.

    DIE OFF you old intolerant bigoted fairy tale believing christians. The soon the better – let the young kids take their educated, tolerant and opened minded rightful place.

    February 21, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
    • eb

      Who's not tolerant? You r contradicting ur self. Aren't u the one calling us names?

      February 21, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
    • DaTruth

      "amen" lol

      February 21, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
    • Joel

      I agree with Tebow's decision. I think he's finally figuring out that you can have your faith and strong set of values but not preach them to the world and displace a portion of your fans. I happen to be gay, and love college and NFL football. I'm a huge fan of his, and most of his values. I just don't want him looking at me and telling me how I can and cannot live my life, much like I wouldn't want OBAMA or BUSHY to.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
    • Andrew

      Sounds about right. Everyone loves people who pander instead of doing what they believe is right.

      February 21, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
    • VanHagar

      "DIE OFF you old intolerant bigoted fairy tale believing christians." Were you drooling when you wrote that?

      February 21, 2013 at 1:09 pm |
  20. Tracy Clark

    Tim Tebow you are an ignorant man. One with faith does not have to exploit ones belief.

    February 21, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
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