Rome (CNN) - The Catholic cardinals gathered in Rome voted Friday to begin the secret election, or conclave, to elect a new pope next Tuesday afternoon, the Vatican said.
The 115 cardinal-electors taking part in the conclave will enter the closed-door process after a morning Mass, the Vatican said. Only those younger than 80 are eligible to vote.
The cardinals voted Friday morning to accept the letters of explanation of two cardinal-electors who are eligible to vote for the next pope but will not attend the conclave: Keith O'Brien of Scotland and Julius Riyadi Darmaatmadja of Indonesia.
Darmaatmadja cited health reasons, and O'Brien cited personal reasons.
O'Brien resigned in scandal last week after allegations that he made sexual advances toward young men studying to be priests. He apologized in a statement Sunday, saying, "There have been times that my sexual conduct has fallen below the standards expected of me as a priest, archbishop and cardinal."
Since Monday, the cardinals have been uniting for what are known as General Congregations, a series of meetings in which they discuss the issues facing the church.
These include how to tackle the issue of child sex abuse by priests and a scandal over leaks from the Vatican last year that revealed claims of corruption within the Roman Catholic Church hierarchy.
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I genuinely enjoy looking at on this web site , it holds excellent articles . "You should pray for a sound mind in a sound body." by Juvenal.
Prayer changes things,
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Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!`~
"Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things"
That's why the data, has shown that atheists have happier and healthier lives than conservative Christians. Your post is built on a lie.
Re: Prayer. Most people would agree that you are not going to see statistical advantages for people who pray. That's not what prayer is suppose to all about. You don't pray to give yourself a material advantage. You pray for spiritual well being.
There is a story about how Abraham Lincoln was once asked if he though God was on "our" side (i.e. the Union). The story goes that Lincoln responded that the question was not whether God was on our side, the question was are we on his side.
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The Two Universal Sects
They all err—Moslems, Jews,
Christians, and Zoroastrians:
Humanity follows two world-wide sects:
One, man intelligent without religion,
The second, religious without intellect. " e.g. the RCC Cardinals
, born AD 973 /, died AD 1058 / .
Al-Ma’arri was a blind Arab philosopher, poet and writer. He was a controversial rationalist of his time, attacking the dogmas of religion and rejecting the claim that Islam possessed any monopoly on truth."
God of Israel
God of this world, Satan
along with his other 50 usernames..........
isn't he a cute little subnormal moron?
bless the little troll's heart!
Funny how someone who doesn't even use a name accuses others of trolling LOL
Wow – managed to insult half the Asian population and a big chunk of the disabled population in one line there.
And btw, I've argued with all these people and there's no way all are the same person. Yes, one of them is using multiple ident ities, but not all and not the same.
GET A REAL JOB,
YOU LYING, STEALING, MENTALLY ILL PARASITES!!!!
Better, yet, DIE, you plague on humanity, life, freedom, truth, and progress out of the Dark Ages!
DIE SLOW, MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
here you go, barking like a mad dog again, grab a beer and chill out Mohammad!
So, do we now know who cares or not?
Prayer changes things
actions cause change; prayer wastes valuable time.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!
That's why the data has shown that atheists have happier and healthier lives than conservative Christians. Your post is built on a lie.
This is like; who cares? I don't!
If you don't care... then... who cares?
and no one cares for your dumb post too
@Catholic (Idolater still) now,
You did care enough to read and answer, and unable to present a reasonable argument for caring about the whole charade you resort to name calling. That how smart you're?
So... Do we know now who cares or don't?
Guess the point of Ex's post is that he doesn't care. Duly noted.
Are you Shakira the famous Brazilian dancer/singer?
I actually do care. As unlikely as it may be to happen, there is always the chance of the new pope undoing some of the damage the church has perptrated on the world. The scandals, AIDS spread in africa, divisiveness.
I know it's a pipe dream, but it's not impossible. Plus I would like to know if the new pope is going to be even worse than the last two.
No, but we now know you're the Salero21 troll.
And Shakira is from Columbia, not Brazil. Make a note of it the next time you want to ask me that troll question.
Do you care enough to reclaim the mass for yourself and get involved in the Church's extensive social ministries or will you wait outside and throw stones at those who are serving?
I don't feel much like getting involved with social help that holds that help for hostage until they can have a chance to convert the needy.
Nice excuse. You're a Catholic Hawaii, you know that doesn't happen.
Not a Catholic anymore, and if you're just going to be an obtuse, moronic troll, then there's nothing more to say to your dishonest bullshit.
Maybe it's more accurate to say it doesn't have to happen, wouldn't have to happen if you were leading the ministry.
Then stand outside and hurl all the stones you can find. Just don't try to proclaim the moral high ground, coward.
Awww how cute. Instead of actually engaging with any kind of relevant post, you become more of a troll. It must just burn you up to know that there are people out there who were confirmed catholics and now don't believe. If you have a point, get to it. Don't try to project your cowardice onto me. Your in the church aren't you? You still believe. Why are you telling an atheist to be leader in YOUR church?
"This is like; who cares? I don't!"
American Catholics do. American Catholics to create a sort of parallel society in the 19th and 20th centuries, with the result that there are now over 6,800 Catholic schools (5% of the national total); 630 hospitals (11%) plus a similar number of smaller health facilities; and 244 colleges and universities. Many of these institutions are known for excellence: seven of the leading 25 part-time law school programs in America are Catholic (five are run by Jesuits). A quarter of the 100 top-ranked hospitals are Catholic. All these institutions are subject to the oversight of a bishop or a religious order.
The estimates that annual spending by the Catholic church and entities owned by the church was around $170 billion in 2010 (the church does not release such figures). We think 57% of this goes on health-care networks, followed by 28% on colleges, with parish and diocesan day-to-day operations accounting for just 6% and national charitable activities just 2.7%. In total, Catholic institutions employ over 1 million people, reckons Fred Gluck, a former McKinsey managing partner and co-founder of the National Leadership Roundtable on Church.
Whether you admit it at this point in your life or not, you are a baptized Catholic Hawaii. You may be disloyal to the Church and fallen away but the Church has not abandoned you. If you don't like how things are run, the answer isn't to run away. Participation is the key to harmony. You're the one who has abandoned the poor and needy because you want to be a "free thinker". You're also the one who said you didn't want to discuss the issue with me. The hope of all those who continue to attend mass and engage the issues of our time from a Christina stance is that the fallen and lapsed will return and bring their gifts, sorrows, energies and improvements to the Church. If you can't do that, you have no one but yourself to blame when the resources are stretched thin, marginal people drift into leadership and ministries become mediocre. But hey enjoy the beach dude.
So really you think, in your delusional arrogance you have any right or justification to tell me what I believe? You really are a dishonest ass. Your double standard shows your cowardice. Your assumptions on why I'm an atheist shows your arrogance. Your statements are part of bearing false witness.
Hey wait, that's three commandments you stupid hypocrite.
It truly is amazing how arrogant dishonest religius zealots like you can preach to others about humility and sacrifice when you have none at all.
Keep projecting you pathetic little coward.
If you're not Shakira from Colombia then I'm not salero21.
Though I know who he is and correspond with him. Besides here, he posts in several other sites including Univision's under the same nickname, that does not makes him a troll. Inform yourself before spreading rumors and gossip around. Something very common among Catholics.
So... then it is not Shakira? So Shakira is not from Brazil? Im totally dissapointed. Is akira a troll?
You crack me up hawaii. I may not know what you believe but that is the problem. I'm not even sure you know what you believe. You just hate the Church because it has let you down. Then when someone challenges you to reconcile, heal and learn to serve others, you get defensive and pollute the board with a stream of profanities. You crack me up except really you're a pathetic loser who lives a life of self service and condemnation of others.
Bill – please provide your evidence that the poster "hawaiiguest" does no service for others.
I'm starting to get the picture on the real BD. Has passed a lot of judgment here and yet admits that he doesn't really know what hawaii believes. Very telling.
Can't prove a negative midwest , you know better. Hawaii is the one who says I have no clue about his beliefs. Let him post a short resume of his humanitarian efforts. I'll accept it at face value. My argument with him isn't that he does nothing for others. It's that he pulls down those of us in the Church who do without offering to pitch in, heal the divisions and take a stand for the poor and sick. No matter what organization he belongs to, there is no one who feeds more hungry, houses more poor, treats more sick, educates more children than the Catholic church and we've been doing it longer than any one else on the planet. So, my suggestion to a baptized Catholic like Hawaii is put away your self centered atheism, go to confession to reconcile yourself, roll up your sleeves and get involved again.
You made the accusation, Bill. Surely you have proof to back up said accusation ?
please clarity, your out of your depth. I pass no judgement against others save to reflect the condemnation they spew towards others. Your free to jump in and focus ad hominems on me or you can answer the question I posted below about child seex slavery. What about it should female seex slaves in Africa bee given contraceptives?
All it takes is a simple statement from hawaii. "I gave $10.00 to a girl scout for a candy bar"
lol. I'm not answering your question about seex slavery because I don't answer people who switch topics by posing a new question rather than ignoring other issues brought to their attention. You've done this before, Bill. I haven't even had that many Q&A with you and you did it the last time as well. Once I asked you something completely unrelated to seex and to skirt the issue, you dove in with sins of the flesh. I have observed this ploy of yours with others, though.
. . . and ignoring other issues . . . .
Of course I'm not Shakira.
Just because part of my name appears in hers means about as much as part of yours appears on a box of Ex-Lax.
How about that I took a job for about 20k a year less than I could to work for a non-profit substance abuse treatment center? That good enough? How about donating over $300 dollars to kiva.org to blooming independent business people with the express instructions to not have any return? How about volunteering at a soup kitchen? But then again, now that the statements are made, there's no guarantee that you'd even believe me because it goes against your rhetoric.
Then there's the fact that none of the things I do have anything to do with religion?
Should I also point out that you say you don't know what I believe, then immediately make the claim that the "church has let me down", and that I hate the church because of something it did to me? You pathetic little tool. You can't even see when you're talking out of both sides of your mouth you false accuser. If you're able, try to wrap your head around the concept that the church hasn't done anything to me. Let's face it, I'm a white, straight male, the church probably likes me. It's what the church has done to others that I'm pissed about.
So what sad excuse for a reply will you use now you pathetic excuse for a human being?
Seventeen hours and counting – how long does it take to find that evidence, Bill ?
if the pope were a good/ethical person, he would not go quietly - he would stand up for all the children that have been abused under his watch, under the watch of the church for centuries. he would say, the church will no longer protect the molester at the expense of the victim. he would make public the long list of pedophiles around the world that the church knows about and protects. he would cleanse his organization of all child molesters by helping the authorities in every way to put these monsters behind bars where they can’t abuse more children.
but they think it would be bad for business to admit they have harbored abusers - and they're wrong. people might actually start having faith in the church again as a force for good. it's abhorrent behavior like this that makes me wonder how christianity is considered such a force for "good" in this world. i give credit where it's due. church communities feed a lot of people and are the underlying backbone for helping the homeless in the U.S. (though often the price for that bowl of soup is a sermon). but atheist/non-believers also give to or run charities. in fact, the two biggest donators to charity in world history are bill gates and warren buffet - both non-believers. the stereotype of the uncaring non-believer is simply not true. still, the church does amazing things in caring for the homeless/poor. but what about the bad things the church does?
they wear a bullet proof vest that protects them from all but the most grievous acc.usations. society celebrates christianity as this amazing force for good, but is it? what about the fact that anti-g.ay legislation in the U.S. is always back by christian groups? they openly promote h.omophobia and it's okay because they have a 2K year old book saying it is, so we give them a pass on their bigotry and prejudice. the bible tells its followers to kill g.ays (leviticus 20:13). just awful.
the bible regards women at about the same level as a barn yard animal. see any females at the vatican wearing a funny red hat? no, because misogyny is alive and well in the church. women are to be silent and subservient, or so says the bible. In fact, if a man finds that his bride was not a virgin when he married her, she is to be taken to her father’s doorstep and stoned to death. awful.
and where was the church in the Obamacare debate? why weren't they front and center sticking up for the homeless/poor getting adequate health care? you'd think that'd be their big fight, but nope, they rand and hid. churches knew, especially in the south, if they promoted Obamacare, they would have empty churches as most of their members were republican. you would think christians would follow many of jesus' examples of caring for the poor and be happy to give a little extra to the poor/needy.
how about gun control? would jesus really say “let's all carry guns”? no, he was big on peace, i hear. so where are the churches telling their members to turn in their guns? less guns = less violence. would jesus advocate for AK47s? why are christians so un-christ-like?
how about the spread of HIV/AIDs? the catholic church has helped to spread the horrible disease world-wide by telling people over and over that wearing a condom is a sin, akin to a man spilling his seed on the ground, a terrible offense to god. sure, the church also says not to have s.ex outside marriage - a ridiculous, unhealthy and unnatural command that few people follow. but a man will gladly tell his woman, "hey, we're gonna have s.ex - but we don't have to commit more sin by wearing a condom." the spread of HIV/AIDs in africa, latin america and asia has been greatly increased by telling people they are sinning by using condoms - a view the devout take very seriously. using condoms would give women a choice to have children or not, and the church can't have that. women with power is a no-no. see above.
the list goes on…
but the real good news is, the internet and education are doing away with all religious cults, including christianity. the church teaches bad information, as does the bible. the church fights science constantly – retarding stem cell research in the U.S. for almost a decade because of christians. check science websites (www.sciencedaily.com) and see how many advances are made with stem cells. that research could have taken place and started saving lives years ago if the church didn’t block it. but the church and it’s archaic ideas and worldviews are going away. guilt, fear and ignorance are the pillars of christianity, and they’re crumbling. people can fact check now, do research on the most obscure subject from their own home. it’s harder to pull the wool over youth’s eyes. questioning religion is not so taboo nowadays. people are breaking the mental shackles and thinking for themselves. who knows? perhaps someday when christianity joins the ranks of the other mythologies, churches will become community meeting places where ideas and goodwill are exchanged without the hocus-pocus aspect of religion. then maybe people will not mind going to church…
So then... are you the wisest of the wiser?
So many fallacies, so little time.
name one fallacy.
How many there are?
Since you asked:
if the pope were a good/ethical person, he would not go quietly = Presumption of moral authority
it’s abhorrent behavior like this that makes me wonder how christianity is considered such a force for "good" in this world. = guilt by asociation
they openly promote h.omophobia = straw man. The church doesn't condemn orientation, only behavior.
the bible regards women at about the same level as a barn yard animal. see any females at the vatican wearing a funny red hat? no, because misogyny is alive and well in the church. women are to be silent and subservient, or so says the bible. In fact, if a man finds that his bride was not a virgin when he married her, she is to be taken to her father’s doorstep and stoned to death. awful. = no truncation required all total BS
and where was the church in the Obamacare debate? why weren't they front and center sticking up for the homeless/poor getting adequate health care = false accusation, the USCCB actually supported the ACA
how about gun control? guns? less guns = less violence. = categorically false
how about the spread of HIV/AIDs? the catholic church has helped to spread the horrible disease world-wide by telling people over and over that wearing a condom is a sin, the list goes on… = The Church also says not to have promiscuous seex but that doesn’t stop people.
but the church and it’s archaic ideas and worldviews are going away. = the Gospel has always been a radical contravention to the world. Detractors have been calling for it’s imminent demise for 20 centuries.
O.k., so Bill beat me to it. But I'll add:
churches knew, especially in the south, if they promoted Obamacare, they would have empty churches as most of their members were republican = false alternative
"it's okay because they have a 2K year old book saying it is" = Age of the book is relevant why? I could easily have said the church as 2k year of history behind it–same fallacy.
I count ten fallacies in a eight paragraph post.
But then I stopped at one per paragraph
Booty: "how about the spread of HIV/AIDs? the catholic church has helped to spread the horrible disease world-wide by telling people over and over that wearing a condom is a sin, the list goes on… "
Bill: "The Church also says not to have promiscuous seex but that doesn’t stop people."
On this point the RCC position is deplorable. Many predominantly RCC populations are exactly the kind of populations where promiscuity is not an easily nor immediately attainable realistically and therefore the unrealistic goal regarding contraception use is a very realistically avoidable cause of much suffering, disease and death.
clarity, you seem to be the one who thinks people are animals who just can't resist getting it on with whatever they can find. Gosh, if we could only have free abortion, euthanasia and prophylactics
Oh what an intelligent response by BD regarding the issue of contraception as an aid in preventing disease. I should have known not to engage the bigot.
How am I bigoted? Or is that just a word you use when you have no argument?
Are you aware clarity that the incidence of transmitted HIV in places like Africa and parts of Asia is not driven by consensual seex but rather by raape and seex slavery? The problem isn't like in America where women's liberation demanded equal seexual freedom. It is a problem of systemic cultural debasement of women. Condoms for rapists is not the solution. A change of heart which elevates humankind and provides for the sanctiity of seexual liaisons between married couples is.
You're the one who avoided discussing disease prevention via contraception in predominantly RCC populations, Bill. Instead, you chose to skirt the issue. I know some caring Catholics who don't agree with the standard RCC stance on that issue, but obviously you don't see a problem with people dying and suffering. To me, that's a form of bigotry. I need not press you any further on this as you've exposed your lovely caring Christian position quite well.
More than one-third of all girls are married in 42 countries, according to the U.N. Population Fund, referring to females under the age of 18. The highest number of cases occurs in some of the poorest countries, the agency figures show, with the West African nation of Niger at the bottom of the list with 75 percent of girls married before they turn 18. In Bangladesh the figure is 66 percent and in Central African Republic and Chad it is 68 percent.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/03/08/child-brides-in-south-sudan-beaten-killed-3000-girls-forced-to-marry-globally/?test=latestnews#ixzz2MzS4OUi5
OK so you can use a word and then make up your own definition for it. Good to know.
Answer a simple question clarity. Do you think that teen age girls forced into seexual slavery in forced marriage should be given contraception ?
I should have known Bill would be tuned into Faux News. The problem is throughout the world, Bill. Statistics regarding rape, seex slavery do not detract from the harm the RCC contributes to world-wide to the under-educated by advising against contraception.
You think the data is wrong because it is sourced through FOX. Is that your argument? You think men who can buy and sell girls need to educated to keep from infecting them? Are you seriously that liberally stupid?
You're the one who may think I'm stupid, Bill, but I didn't fall for this little idiotic ploy of yours. You keep repeating seex slavery as if that was the subject I brought up, but it wasn't now was it? I've seen you do this time and again. I'm through with you Bill since you can't stay on topic.
Who the hell are you to be giving any kind of contraceptive advice at all, Bull? You can't even admite their's a pedophile problem within the RCC! Yeah, there's problems outside of the chirch as well, but by YOUR estimate, 4800 priests abusing is 4800 cover-ups and 4800 too many! Man, you are disingenuous!
due date for our baby Pope is set for Tuesday, March 12, 2013, we are all praying almighty Jesus for short and swift labor, we are all hoping for the healthy baby, but...... ultimately, it's in the God's hand, you know !!!
They should probably vote in Justin Bieber as Pope to bring in some younger folks.
Well at least then they might put some decent choreography to those festive outfits.
Note to Belief Blog editors ... there are TONS of non-Pope religious stories out there ...
Yeah, it's getting a little tiring, isn't it, Topher?
Personally, I miss the Speed Read. That was always a fun blog.
Yes, it is tiring. Obviously, the Pope thing is a big deal whether you're Catholic or not. But that's not the only thing going on in the world of religion.
Yeah, I miss Speed Read, too.
It will shift into overdrive once the new pope is installed.
BD: what will shift into overdrive?
media coverage of the new pope
Oh, undoubtedly, BD.
I imagine they will scrutinize him very closely.
I just hope they don't need a jillion articles to report it. I really miss Speed Read, and as Topher stated, there are other stories to be told.
I love the opportunity to intelligently discuss the Church but even I find most of these articles drivel or at best repackaged.
Don't bother viewing this video, it's garbage, just like all the others. This poster is just trying to get hits for their youtube site.
Click the report abuse link to get rid of this troll.
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