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Want the latest news out of the conclave to pick the next pope? There's an app for that.
March 12th, 2013
01:04 PM ET

Enhance your conclave experience technologically

By Kelly Marshall Smoot, CNN

Washington (CNN) – Hoping to enhance the conclave experience, some new apps and websites are using technology to bring a centuries-old, top-secret tradition of selecting the next pontiff one that still relies on smoke signals to Catholics and pope watchers around the world.

Logos Bible Software designed Conclave, a free app, and had a working prototype within 48 hours after Pope Benedict XVI announced he intended to resign.

"At first we thought we didn't have time for it, and then we decided to go for it," said Andrew Jones, director of Catholic products for Logos Bible Software, about the process of developing the app. "Never before has technology been so accessible for such a specific task. Generating a new piece of software this quickly, or customizing it for such a brief event, was previously unheard of."

Logos Bible Software specializes in religious software, and Jones said the company just wanted to be part of this historic event. Verbum, another free app by Logos, is designed to assist Catholics as they study the Bible. It's the company's most popular product.

Logos' Conclave app has different sections combining new technology and social media with old information. In addition to a live video feed, a news feed from Catholic and Christian news sites and a Twitter feed that follows #Pope and #Conclave, an in-depth resources section provides information about every conclave since 1061.

Additionally, there are bios for all 115 cardinals participating in the conclave ranked by who is getting the most online "buzz" on NewAdvent.com. At the conclusion of Tuesday's Mass at St. Peter's Basilica, Cardinal Angelo Scola, archbishop of Milan, had the top ranking.

Logos has no plans to continue the app after a new pope is selected, with Jones saying it will just fade away.

Another online service, PopeAlarm.com, said, "When the smoke goes up, you'll know what's going down."  (Conclave results are announced via smoke from the Sistine Chapel chimney black fumes mean an inconclusive vote, while white indicates there's a new pope.) Designed by the Fellowship of Catholic University Students, PopeAlarm.com is supposed to send a text or e-mail message when a new pope is selected.

However, because of high demand (60,000 registrations in four days), PopeAlarm.com is working out kinks in its text-messaging capabilities. A message posted on the website says, "Due to the exceptional number of text registrations, we are unable to guarantee text messages to additional signups at this time. We are still collecting numbers and will notify you of our text message status as soon as we know. There are no issues with e-mail notifications."

For those looking for a more interactive experience or a way to earn prizes, FantasyConclave.com might be the place for you.

The website says, "Pope Benedict XVI's resignation presents the (church) with a unique situation to teach the world about the beauty of the papacy and the process of election. To do our part, when you join the Fantasy Conclave League, in addition to a shot at the awesome prize pool, you'll also receive daily 'Pope Facts' in your e-mail up until the election of our new pope."

FantasyConclave.com asks you to choose which cardinal will be selected pope, on which day of the conclave, and what name the pope will take. The website says the prize pool stands at more than $300, though most of the prizes listed are not cash payouts but DVDs, study guides and autographed books.

The Fantasy Conclave League is being sponsored by eCatholic, Flocknote and CatholicStudentMinistry.com and is also free.

The last pope was selected in 2005, and there has been much change in communication since then. But whether monitoring the conclave online, with an app or via TV, pope watchers will still have to wait for that old-school smoke signal.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Catholic Church • Pope • Pope Benedict XVI • Technology

soundoff (82 Responses)
  1. Goranesh

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    March 13, 2013 at 7:11 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Funniest one of these yet. The DB5 hasn't been made since '72, and IF you could afford one, you wouldn't be stealing free advertising for your bullsh!t website.

      March 13, 2013 at 7:14 pm |
    • TRASH ALERT

      just click report abuse to get rid of this trash.

      March 13, 2013 at 7:20 pm |
  2. Over 40,000 denominations of insanity

    Some believe that celibacy is appropriate for certain people, or for certain positions. It's ridiculous. Celibacy is unnatural and will continue to cause problems for the religious institutions that employ it.

    Many of the people from these same institutions advocate against abortion, but don't understand the realistic benefit of the morning after pill or even basic contraception; their unrealistic wishful thinking is causing the death of many at the hands of disease. Realistically, many abortions could be avoided if a morning-after pill were not viewed as such an evil option. Many of these same people bring children into the world at a high pace, and then would prefer that the rest of society take over and educate their children in their particular brand of religion when they don't plan well.

    In the U.S. recently we learned of the head of LCMS chastising a minister of that church for participating in a joint service for the victims of the Newtown school shooting.

    One sect calls homosexuality an abomination while the next one in the same denomination is already performing gay marriage.

    One sect, the Westboro Baptist Church believes Americans are being killed at war because America is too kind to "fags".

    One sect believes that Jesus and Satan were brothers and that Christ will return to Jerusalem AND Jackson County, Missouri.

    One sect believes women to be subservient, while another sect in the same denomination promotes equality between the sexes.

    Conflicted right from the very beginning, Christianity continues to splinter and create divisions and more extremism as it goes.

    =================================================
    Has anything improved with Christianity since 200+ years ago?

    Thomas Jefferson, POTUS #3 (from Notes on the State of Virginia):

    Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.

    James Madison, POTUS #4, chief architect of the U.S. Constitution & the Bill of Rights (from A Memorial and Remonstrance delivered to the Virginia General Assembly in 1785):

    During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.

    John Adams, POTUS #2 (in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, 09/03/1816):

    I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved – the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced! With the rational respect that is due to it, knavish priests have added prostitutions of it, that fill or might fill the blackest and bloodiest pages of human history.

    Ben Franklin (from a letter to The London Packet, 3 June 1772):

    If we look back into history for the character of present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practised it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England, blamed persecution in the Roman church, but practised it against the Puritans: these found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here and in New England.

    Thomas Paine (from The Age of Reason):

    All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
    ==================================

    March 13, 2013 at 10:00 am |

    • ..

      March 13, 2013 at 10:00 am |
    • james

      you are absolutely right about the insanity but still there is a God that wants you and anyone else to know him and his purpose and it is not the god of this world that Jesus said was another spirit creature. Jesus gave his worship to his father and He will soon end this insanity and false religion. For those who sincerely seek the truth about our Heavenly Father Jehovah and. to learn what the Bible really teaches go to jw.org

      March 13, 2013 at 10:33 am |
  3. clarity

    Roman Catholic Church Sex Abuse Cases
    http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/r/roman_catholic_church_sex_abuse_cases/index.html

    March 12, 2013 at 10:28 pm |
  4. Bootyfunk

    too bad there was no internet around during the Inquisition. i bet they would have had a shweet "Torture the Non-Believer" app. and the "Persecute a Jew" app would have rocked too. well, the church can still come out with a "Holy H.omophobia" app.

    March 12, 2013 at 5:49 pm |
    • Akira

      Well, yeah, but Monty python did a rip-roaring skit on the SI that was absolutely hilarious...better than any old app.

      March 12, 2013 at 9:52 pm |
  5. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    March 12, 2013 at 4:10 pm |
    • Yes

      Prayer works for me.

      March 12, 2013 at 4:12 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      actions cause change; prayer wastes valuable time.

      unclasp your hands. get up off your knees. think for yourself. now go outside and put those hands to use helping your brothers and sisters.

      congratulations, you're now a better person.

      March 12, 2013 at 4:32 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      March 12, 2013 at 6:18 pm |
    • Really?

      "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things"

      That's why the data, has shown that atheists have happier and healthier lives than conservative Christians. Your post is built on a lie!

      March 12, 2013 at 6:20 pm |
    • Really!

      But not happier than liberal Jews!

      March 12, 2013 at 6:35 pm |
    • Trevor Price

      Well excuse me, I'm a 15 year old Atheist and you know how I came to that conclusion? By reading the Bible.

      March 12, 2013 at 7:39 pm |
    • james

      trevor, try it again and again until you get it right. I think you missed something very important. ask your heavenly father for holy spirit to give you understanding and he promises to give it to those asking in faith. see Luke 11:13 and James 1:3 for starters and if you are sincere about learning what the bible really teaches go to jw.org. you will not be disappointed and it will be free. check it out.

      March 12, 2013 at 10:28 pm |
    • clarity

      Roman Catholic Church Sex Abuse Cases
      http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/r/roman_catholic_church_sex_abuse_cases/index.html

      March 12, 2013 at 10:29 pm |
    • Hi Trevor

      I didn’t really become an atheist until after I started reading the bible. I didn’t get very far. Man there is nasty stuff in those first 5 books. Evil, war, genocide, fratricide, ince$t, adultery, patricide, r_ape, child mole$tation and slaughter of the entire population of entire cities (every man, woman, child and even animal) in city after city … and that was the good guys, with god’s blessing.

      March 13, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
    • End Religion

      It's Cult 101:
      1) you have to believe to believe. Only special ones will "see"
      2) you will be persecuted for your crazy beliefs
      3) learn the magic words and say them correctly
      4) what you give to our cult will be returned 10-fold
      5) give us at least 10% of what you have. The more of yourself and your possessions you give, the more special you are.

      March 13, 2013 at 12:40 pm |
  6. The Troof

    When someone is nasty
    or treats you poorly,
    don't take it personally.

    It says nothing about you
    but a lot about them.

    March 12, 2013 at 4:01 pm |
  7. Doc Vestibule

    More Bible Fun
    See, the day of the Lord is coming
    —a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger—
    to make the land desolate
    and destroy the sinners within it.
    10 The stars of heaven and their constellations
    will not show their light.
    The rising sun will be darkened
    and the moon will not give its light.
    11 I will punish the world for its evil,
    the wicked for their sins.
    I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty
    and will humble the pride of the ruthless.
    12 I will make people scarcer than pure gold,
    more rare than the gold of Ophir.
    13 Therefore I will make the heavens tremble;
    and the earth will shake from its place
    at the wrath of the Lord Almighty,
    in the day of his burning anger.
    14 Like a hunted gazelle,
    like sheep without a shepherd,
    they will all return to their own people,
    they will flee to their native land.
    15 Whoever is captured will be thrust through;
    all who are caught will fall by the sword.
    16 Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes;
    their houses will be looted and their wives violated.
    17 See, I will stir up against them the Medes,
    who do not care for silver
    and have no delight in gold.
    18 Their bows will strike down the young men;
    they will have no mercy on infants,
    nor will they look with compassion on children.
    19 Babylon, the jewel of kingdoms,
    the pride and glory of the Babylonians,[b]
    will be overthrown by God
    like Sodom and Gomorrah.

    March 12, 2013 at 3:18 pm |
    • Dude

      Nice poem. Too bad it is a fairy tale.

      March 12, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      I'm not a big proponent of infaticide, ra/ping and pillaging, so I'm glad its a fairy tale.

      March 12, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      at the end times, all loving and compassionate jesus opens his daddy's seven seals (war, pestilence, famine, death, etc.) and murders 2/3 of all the people on earth. worship me or die.

      amen.

      March 12, 2013 at 3:47 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Bootyfunk
      When the Rapture comes and all the humble, compassionate, non-judgemental, charitable, loving Christians ascend bodily to Heaven, I'm sure we'll miss both of them.

      March 12, 2013 at 3:58 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      @Doc
      lol. if i don't go to hell, i'll miss all my friends...

      March 12, 2013 at 3:59 pm |
    • The Troof

      Goodness. Mercy.

      March 12, 2013 at 3:59 pm |
  8. Bootyfunk

    lol, technology and religion don't mix. the internet is killing the church. much harder to trick the sheep when they can fact check the snake charmers. the bible says the earth is flat. is unbelievable that people still follow a book that has unicorns in it. the bible promotes slavery throughout - and it's a good guide for ethical living?

    March 12, 2013 at 2:27 pm |
    • Chad

      "the bible says the earth is flat. is unbelievable that people still follow a book that has unicorns in it. the bible promotes slavery throughout"
      => no it doesnt, no it doesnt, and no it doesnt..

      have you ever read it?

      March 12, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
    • Hubert

      I'm curious, where are the unicorns? I don't remember that chapter.

      March 12, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      chad... the bible mentions unicorns about seven times. have YOU read the bible?
      "And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with their bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness."—Isaiah 34:7

      jesus himself tells slaves to obey their masters. there are rules in the bible for selling your own daughter into slavery. rules for how to beat your slaves. just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not in there:
      Luke 12:37-38
      (Jesus:)
      37 "Blessed are those slaves whom the master will find on the alert when he comes; truly I say to you, that he will gird himself to serve, and have them recline at the table, and will come up and wait on them.
      38 "Whether he comes in the second watch, or even in the third, and finds them so, blessed are those slaves.”

      now i think you owe me an apology. it's obvious you have very little bible knowledge and just listen on sunday mornings to the priest read another cherry-picked passage from the bible. but you apparently haven't read the other stories in that book.

      March 12, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Let's not forget the vocalizing incendiary foliage that Moses met, or the rocks that are supposed to scream if people can't praise Jesus.
      Then there's mention of half man half goat beasts (Isaiah 13:21 and 34:14), flaming snakes (Numbers 21:6), seven headed dragons (Revelation 12:3) and serpents that can kill just by looking at you (Jeremiah 8:17).

      March 12, 2013 at 2:37 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      @Hubert
      the bible mentions unicorns 7 times, i think. also satyrs, dragons and c.ockatrice.

      March 12, 2013 at 2:37 pm |
    • Bring on the flood of Chad's equivocation!

      March 12, 2013 at 2:38 pm |
    • Hubert

      Chad

      The bible gives rules for the treatment of slaves, therefor it implicitly condones slavery. And yes I know that Jews were only allowed to keep other Jewish slaves for a limited number of years, but non-Jews could be kept in perpetuity. So the bible absolutely condones slavery. At one point (numbers 31 15-18) Moses commands his army to take virgin girls as slaves.

      March 12, 2013 at 2:38 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      o However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

      o If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
      When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
      When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
      Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
      Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

      March 12, 2013 at 2:41 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      @Hubert and Doc
      thank you for trying to help me educate Chad. it's a tireless task and as rewarding as trying to teach math to a wall.

      March 12, 2013 at 2:48 pm |
    • Hubert

      @bootyfunk

      LOL, any time🙂

      March 12, 2013 at 2:51 pm |
    • fred

      Doc
      There is no reference to half half goat in Isaiah 13:21 or 34:14

      March 12, 2013 at 2:52 pm |
    • For Mr. Bootyfunk

      Unicorn
      The term “unicorn” is found nine times in the King James Version of the Bible (Num. 23:22; 24:8; Dt. 33:17; Job 39:9-10; Psa. 22:21; 29:6; 92:10; Isa. 34:7). “Unicorn” does not appear at all in the American Standard Version, nor in most other more modern versions. This should be a signal that the “problem” is one of translation, rather than a problem with the original, biblical text.
      In ancient mythological literature, the unicorn was a horse-like animal with a prominent horn protruding from the center of its forehead. There is no evidence that this creature is alluded to in the scriptures.
      In the Hebrew Old Testament, the word that is found in the texts referenced above is re’em, which is translated “wild ox” in the later versions. Most scholars believe the term refers to a large, fierce ox of the ancient world — a beast that now is extinct.
      The translators of the Greek Old Testament (Septuagint) rendered re’mes by the Greek term monokeros (“one horn”), on the basis of certain pictographs which were among the ruins of ancient Babylon. The carvings depicted the “wild ox” in profile form, thus seeming to suggest that the creature had but a single horn (see Wycliffe Bible Dictionary, C. Pfeiffer, H. Vos, & J. Rea, Eds., Peabody, MA: Hendrickson, 1999, p. 83). Out of this background derived the “one horn” perception.
      Biblical evidence, however, indicates otherwise. Note that in Deuteronomy 33:17, the re’em is described as having “horns” (plural), not a single horn. No mythology can be charged to the Bible in connection with the term “unicorn.”

      March 12, 2013 at 2:53 pm |
    • Chad

      You are incorrect on both accounts.

      regarding "Unicorns":
      Isa 34:7 "..And the unicorns.." h7214 ראם rĕ'em
      The phrase translated in the King James as "unicorns" is an unfortunately poor translation.This probably refers to the great wild bulls which are now extinct. The exact meaning is not known.
      The NIV translates that verse as "the wild oxen"

      It does not refer to unicorns as we know them now, the mythical horses with one horn. Many atheists dont realize that the bible was not originally written in english. Either that, or they do know it, but seize on unfortunate translations to create wildly inaccurate perceptions.
      as I'm sure you arent disingenuous, you just didnt realize the bible wasnt written in english?

      ====
      Regarding slaves
      1. The purpose of Gods interaction with man is not to reform man, to make bad people good or to embark on social reform
      2. Slavery was a fact of life in ancient times
      3. Throughout the bible, God commands masters to treat their slaves with respect, fairness and kindness.

      The Bible contains several references to slavery. The Bible does not condemn slavery, but in fact supports the regulated practice of it, especially under the Old Testament,[1][2] but also in the New Testament.[3][4] Male Israelite slaves were to be offered release after seven years of service, with some stipulations.[5][6][7]

      [1] Exodus 22:2-3
      [2] Deuteronomy 21:10-11
      [3] Ephesians 6:5
      [4] Timothy&verse=6:1, I Timothy 6:1
      [5] Exodus 21:2-6
      [6] Deuteronomy 15:12-15
      [7] Jeremiah 34:14

      March 12, 2013 at 2:58 pm |
    • Science

      Chad is a dancing again oh sh-it funny stuff not really.

      March 12, 2013 at 3:03 pm |
    • fred

      The Bible assumes order in relationships and slavery was a fact of life and the economy thousands of years ago. The creator would certainly be master and man was created and given rule over all the beasts of the field. Man is over the women as Christ is over the church. Jesus came to serve not to be served setting an example for us all and obeyed the Father.
      God and the Bible must always be taken as a whole not edited to suit a position. When it comes to slavery there are verses that are simple historic reference and others that deal with sin. The Bible makes it clear that to mistreat any person is wrong and called sin. The Bible makes it clear that we can only serve one master. The term master was used because the context of master and slave was well understood.
      This godless twisting that goes on continuously with regard to slavery simply shines a spotlight on the master of your soul.

      March 12, 2013 at 3:05 pm |
    • Paul

      That is such a cop out. God gave rules to mankind, if god thought that slavery was bad he could have just added it as an 11th commandment or something.

      March 12, 2013 at 3:07 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      "Throughout the bible, God commands masters to treat their slaves with respect, fairness and kindness.:"

      Right. Like when you beat your slave to within an inch of their life, make sure they live in excruciating pain for a couple of days before dying.

      "The Bible does not condemn slavery, but in fact supports the regulated practice of it"
      The Bible is therefore giving tacit approval, just as it does with ra/pe.
      "f a man is caught in the act of ra.ing a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."
      – Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT

      March 12, 2013 at 3:10 pm |
    • Hubert

      Chad

      So you agree that the bible condones, regulates, and at times commands slavery. I assume that you also agree that slavery is a great moral injustice. Therefor you believe that the bible condones and commands people to take highly immoral actions.

      Also God at often gives men moral instructions, such as don't murder, don't steal, don't lie. All of these were also "facts of live" during biblical times. Why would God choose to prohibit these immoral actions, but not prohibit slavery?

      March 12, 2013 at 3:11 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      Why do you feel the need to lie constantly?

      March 12, 2013 at 3:12 pm |
    • End Religion

      Did I miss the part where Chad tries to sell us that "slaves had it good back then"?

      March 12, 2013 at 3:24 pm |
    • Chad

      "condones"
      as in the laws that we have not that specify punishment for rape some how condone the act?

      no...

      March 12, 2013 at 3:24 pm |
    • fred

      hawaiiguest
      Not a lie (you need to learn how to use the word lie).
      Truth: a very bright spotlight is shining on the godless when the pull verses out of their time, culture, intended audience and known meaning. This is not a lie but fact. Look at the string of above posts. Verses on slavery are being used to establish the Bible as being wrong and mocking of those who would believe God.
      Truth: The Bible must be taken as a whole first and understood in relation to God and His plan of redemption of a Chosen People.
      Truth: Slavery was central to the economy and survival in its day.
      Truth: The Hebrew were set apart from the rest of the world that was brutal to slaves.
      Truth: The Hebrews were warned repeatedly of the brutal slavery of Egypt and God who rescued them from that brutality and evil.

      March 12, 2013 at 3:26 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Chad
      The "punishment" for getting caught ra/ping is "you break it, you buy it" – it is treating the victim not as a person, but as property.

      March 12, 2013 at 3:28 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Fred
      "Truth: The Hebrew were set apart from the rest of the world that was brutal to slaves."
      Half Truth, actually.
      The Hebrews were commanded by God to treat other Hebrews nicely.
      Gentiles were chattel to be treated however you want, up to and including brutal beatings.
      (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

      March 12, 2013 at 3:33 pm |
    • Noah Tall

      " The exact meaning is not known."

      Chad admits that something is not known? Say it isn't so!

      What a stupid god - to put stuff like that in there...

      March 12, 2013 at 3:33 pm |
    • Noah Tall

      p.s. also notice no mention of kangaroos, koalas, penguins, etc., or even bacteria, which did and do exist.

      March 12, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
    • Science

      Noah Tall

      Agree

      March 12, 2013 at 3:39 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      "It is wrong to own another human being." you would think god would have gotten that one in there. with slavery comes abuse. with slavery comes r.ape. with slavery comes murder. slavery is arguably the most evil inst.itution man has ever inflicted on his fellow man. you would think an all-good all-knowing god would have told people slavery is evil. why would it matter if it was acceptable back then? acceptable to who? humans? why would slavery be acceptable to an all-loving and compassionate god? it wouldn't. a loving god would tell people, "i don't care if you think slavery it works around there. i'm god. i say slavery is evil. so listen up - NO MORE SLAVES!"

      you say slavery was the way of the world - and it was. but doesn't that tell you the bible is a book written by 2K year old goat herders and not the word of god? the authors were products of their time, which is why they thought slavery was acceptable. i mean come on, there are rules for how to sell your own daughter into slavery in the bible - is there anything more evil?

      March 12, 2013 at 3:43 pm |
    • Dude

      Fred:

      Isaiah describes satyrs dancing. Satyrs are half man, half goat.

      March 12, 2013 at 3:44 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      " a very bright spotlight is shining on the godless when the pull verses out of their time, culture, intended audience and known meaning. This is not a lie but fact. Look at the string of above posts. Verses on slavery are being used to establish the Bible as being wrong and mocking of those who would believe God."
      If you want to claim that god's morality is an objective standard, then culture, time, and all the COP-OUTS you use wouldn't be applicable! If you want to claim that the bible is the inspired word of god, then you can't fucking cherrypick.

      "Truth: The Bible must be taken as a whole first and understood in relation to God and His plan of redemption of a Chosen People."
      translation: Go in with your conclusion as "god is good", then just look up the apologetics that will twist everything contradictory to that.

      "Truth: Slavery was central to the economy and survival in its day."
      So I guess Jesus lied and god doesn't provide all. Good to know.

      "Truth: The Hebrew were set apart from the rest of the world that was brutal to slaves."
      Except for marking them by punching a hole through the ear with a door. Or the owning them as property part. The instructions on how to properly beat your slaves.

      "Truth: The Hebrews were warned repeatedly of the brutal slavery of Egypt and God who rescued them from that brutality and evil."
      translation: Bible says it so it's true, unless I don't want it to say something, then it says what I want it to say.

      Now, post your irrelevant bullshit fred. Then run like the coward you are. Just like yesterday.

      March 12, 2013 at 3:45 pm |
    • fred

      Doc
      The Bible is a running record of God and His people. Slavery goes back to the first part of Genesis and reflects Gods people as they were not as God would have them. All around them slaves were abused and the Hebrew themselves slaves to Egypt under abusive slavery 450 years.
      Leviticus written in 1400 or so BC records a few rules in place at the time regarding treatment of slaves. The purpose of that book was to set down guidelines for Holy living to the Glory of God. We have hints of the brutality towards slaves from the nations around these chosen ones. The rules we see some of which you referred to (Leviticus 25:44-46) were to set them apart from these wicked people (others in the world pictured as evil).

      Perhaps it was just a baby step towards dignity for all people but it was a step towards rights that slaves did not have prior to these “Holy People”.

      March 12, 2013 at 4:04 pm |
    • fred

      dude
      Yes that translation appears in a few texts but not most which refer to “shaggy goats or wild goats”. The Hebrew word (שׂערים s'e‛ı̂rı̂ym) used in Isaiah 13:21 relates to the hairy one and tied with the Egyptian mythology. Isaiah is referring to the devil of that mythology believed to be half goat half man not an existing beast. He was saying the kind of evil you will find is like that of mythology that Egypt believed.

      March 12, 2013 at 4:18 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      fred, Christians deriding Egyptian mythology. Pot. Kettle. Black.

      March 12, 2013 at 4:23 pm |
    • fred

      In Santa We Trust
      No, Isaiah was using and example to draw a visual not degrade.

      March 12, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Awww fred ignores me now. How...predictable.

      March 12, 2013 at 4:46 pm |
    • fred

      hawaiiguest
      “If you want to claim that god's morality is an objective standard, then culture, time, and all the COP-OUTS you use wouldn't be applicable!”
      =>Good, you are beginning to understand subjective morality as the godless adhere to is nothing more than what feels good at moment. Gods morality stays in line with goodness and holiness which never changes. You are welcome to justify your morality anyway you want. God does not need to justify that which is of God.

      “Go in with your conclusion as "god is good""
      =>any other conclusion is ridiculous. The entire Bible assumes God is goodness and is redeeming His people. You do not need to like it or believe in God but you should know and have a clear picture of the God that is loved and worshiped by the chosen.
      Your suggestion that the people of God think holiness and goodness is evil makes no sense whatsoever. The Bible is filled with hundreds of promises and examples of a loving God that saves His broken people over and over again and eventually gives His life so they may have eternal joy and happiness. Please go read the bible through the eyes of the writers not the eyes of infidel.org or Dawkins.

      March 12, 2013 at 4:56 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      That was an even more pathetic response than usual.

      March 12, 2013 at 5:01 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      You can cherry pick my posts and spin around in every direction all you want, but your dishonesty and idiocy is transparent.

      March 12, 2013 at 5:04 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      And, like yesterday, once fred learly shows himself to be a dishonest little moron, he runs like a coward.

      March 12, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
    • Chad admits the bible can be wrong

      Chad “regarding "Unicorns":
      Isa 34:7 "..And the unicorns.." h7214 ראם rĕ'em
      The phrase translated in the King James as "unicorns" is an unfortunately poor translation”
      So if it’s wrong about unicorns, why are you so sure it’s right about everything else?

      March 12, 2013 at 6:06 pm |
    • End Religion

      why does the bible condone slavery and offer awards to slave owners?

      March 12, 2013 at 7:46 pm |
    • Akira

      Paul: God had over four hundred commandments. One would think "Thou shall not buy or sell another human being", being the good, pious, moral God that he is.

      March 12, 2013 at 10:07 pm |
  9. Love Proverbs

    Bible verse app is cool

    March 12, 2013 at 2:24 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      the bible is cool like Yanni is cool.

      March 12, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Bootyfunk
      Yanni's got nothing on Zamfir, Master of the Pan Flute.

      March 12, 2013 at 2:39 pm |
    • Soulful music...

      Love music that is not transient. Like Kari Jobe and the like.

      March 12, 2013 at 2:55 pm |
    • End Religion

      lol@ "the bible is cool like Yanni is cool."

      March 12, 2013 at 4:11 pm |
  10. Southernsuga

    I have been getting live information on EWTN TV, which is Eternal World Television Network...a Catholic channel, started by Mother Angelica.

    March 12, 2013 at 2:18 pm |
  11. meifumado

    What a waste of time and resources.

    March 12, 2013 at 1:46 pm |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      Agreed, what a huge waste of coding. What are they going to do when this one is over and they have to wait 30 years? They'll be coding the next app for the iPhone 35S.

      March 12, 2013 at 2:16 pm |
    • Southernsuga

      Bye, bye, Bubba. May the Lord grant you mercy.

      March 12, 2013 at 2:18 pm |
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