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March 12th, 2013
04:32 PM ET

Where Christianity grows, Africans make case for African pope

(CNN) - Unity. Faith. Peace. Support.

These words were common among the 20,000 messages received when CNN and mobile technology company Jana.com carried out a mobile phone survey in 11 countries asking Africans: What would be the impact of an African pope on the continent, or you?

The results provide a fascinating insight into faith on the continent, where Christianity is growing.

FULL STORY

- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. Goranesh

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    March 13, 2013 at 7:10 pm |
    • TRASH ALERT

      just click report abuse to get rid of this trash.

      March 13, 2013 at 7:19 pm |
  2. Sara Howells

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcyW7rMYR7A&w=640&h=390]
    ..

    March 13, 2013 at 3:53 pm |
    • GARBAGE ALERT

      This video is garbage, don't bother viewing it. This troll is only here to get hits for their youtube site.

      Click the report abuse link to take out the trash!

      March 13, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
  3. Bob

    Many of you will have seen the incessant posts here by Catholic apologist Bill Deacon, trying to downplay the horrors of sexual abuse by Catholic priests by using broken arguments such as comparisons with abuses in other organizations. He keeps dumping similar posts under many blog articles and comment threads.

    Bill's case is a broken one, and he has already been caught in the wrong elsewhere with it. First, 2 wrongs don't make a right, and second, Catholic priests are in positions of authority and power, and make a claim to higher moral ground. They should be held to higher moral standards and their crimes are especially heinous given their positions, particularly when the church has been well documented in its attempts to try to hide their abuses.

    Bill Deacon, you've been caught in the act, and your arguments are broken ones.

    March 13, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      My arguments are only repeated because of the ad nauseum re posting of allegations against the Church. While I make no defense of the horrors committed by men in collars, I see utterly no inclination on the part of Church haters to embrace the facts regarding child seex abuse in America. Your diatribe against me is simply another effort to avoid the issue of child abuse and slander a member of the faith who wants a comprehensive dialogue on the matter. But you can't stand to let that happen because you might have to surrender your hatred of the Church and accept the truth about who is really harming the most children. You also employ the old ruse of saying the clergy holds themselves as a higher moral authority which is complete BS. Priest are men and they are subject to sin, just like other men. But it's convenient for you to put them on a pedestal where they are easier to stone. This parable appears in the Bible with the woman caught in adultery. The only difference now is that your numbness to your own sin allows you to hurl the stone instead of hearing Jesus condemn you,yourself so that you might go and sin no more.

      March 13, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll.

      March 13, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
    • .

      What dialogue? Jeez, of COURSE the topic of priestly abuse is going to come up on a blog about the Catholic Church!! When the blog is about teacher abuse comes up, we'll talk about it there! Good God, man, are you so blind as to not see it exists within the RCC AS WELL??
      "Yeah, it happens, but it's worse _________, nyah nyah." There's a reason that the first thing people think about when the RCC is mentioned is pedophilia. BECAUSE THEY HAVE SPENT DECADES COVERING IT UP AND SENDING THESE CRIMINAL PRIESTS TO NEW PARISHES TO DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN! Get a clue, Bill. There ISN'T any excuse for covering it up, nt in the secular world, AND ESPECIALLY NOT IN THE RELIGIOUS WORLD!

      March 13, 2013 at 1:22 pm |
    • Psy Lance

      The sad fact is that child abuse does happen in just about every walk of life. However, what Bill does not want to admit is that only in the Catholic Church was there a pattern of not only abuse, but of shielding the abuser from prosecution which is not found in any other organization to these extents. Some abusers being moved three or four times to new pastures they could pluck after a private slap on the wrist from the clergy and a "Don't get caught again" reprimand.

      The RCC aka the w h o r e of Babylon is dying and these are it's death throes, don't let yourself be caught up and destroyed along with her. Her cup is overflowing with the blood of the innocent and if all her secrets hidden in the Vatican were laid bare the whole of the world would demand her execution.

      March 13, 2013 at 1:24 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Bill

      1. What Bob pointed out is that The Catholic Church is held responsible for trying to cover it up the same way that Paterno and Penn State were held culpable for the actions of Sandusky.

      2. Although all men sin and we shouldn't expect everyone to act perfectly, these men who have taken positions of power and claim to understand and preach morality to others should be especially ashamed of themselves for using this position of power to committ horrible acts.

      These things have nothing to do with either hating or loving the church. Had the church expelled these priests, let them go to court and take the rap for their actions, it would be a completely different matter, the church however has just protected these people, moved them to different places and hopes they won't doing anything else.

      How can you defend men that do this?

      March 13, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
    • .

      And lest you forget, Bill Deacon, THE ABUSE HAPPENS ALL OVER THE GODDAMNED WORLD, NOT JUST IN AMERICA!! So get down off your little self-righteous pedestal; realize that it's NOT HATRED FOR THE CHURCH ITSELF, BUT HATRED FOR THE ENABLERS SUCH AS YOURSELF, WHO CONTINUE TO COVER THIS UP AND EXCUSE IT AS SOMETHING AS STUPID AS "HATRED FOR THE CHURCH"! Delusional hypocritical twit!

      March 13, 2013 at 1:27 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      Psy Lance,

      Yes, Bill Deacon has been betrayed by the hierarchy of his Church, yet he defends them (and deflects blame to stand-alone priests) just like a co-dependent, battered spouse or child.

      March 13, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      I believe they call it stockholm syndrome. Bill has been a captive of the RCC for so long he will defend them even as they r a p e our children then provide an easy escape route for the r a p i s t to another area where he can r a p e again, all while Bill Deacon stands ready to defend their honor. It will be a sad day for Bill when he realizes they have never had any honor and he has been used as a shill for the religious arm of Nambla.

      March 13, 2013 at 1:41 pm |
    • Psy Lance

      " just like a co-dependent, battered spouse or child."

      Aye, he cant even look them or himself in the eye anymore.

      March 13, 2013 at 1:42 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Oh, I understand that when the numbers are shown on the actuality of children abused that the offense then becomes the cover up and that that is a separate and distinct issue. It waters down the righteousness of your attack that you abandon the victims so easily simply because they don't provide you enough casualties to sustain your offensive. It is also typical in the other organizations we are speaking of, they circle the wagons too. Teachers, coaches, adult relatives are also no less authoritarian that clergy so the "men of position" argument doesn't differentiate the clergy from other perpetrators who always use their position of power to victimize.

      But I say, keep up the attack. My defense is not that the Church is excused because others are worse. It is that since you claim you want to defend children, you should go where the children are being hurt most often and it isn't in the Church. If you want an indication of how successful the subterfuge is, ask your self this question: Just why are there so many articles and so many voices screaming "Catholic Pedophile" but no reporting done on the Department of Education's own report showing the horrendous problem within the U.S. If you want to include other countries,fine, include them. I am aware of the issues around the world with the Church as you are. The question remains: Why aren't you aware of the problem of child seex abuse outside the Church in other countries?

      March 13, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      The answer is obvious: Because it isn't about the abuse or even the cover up. It's about the Church.

      March 13, 2013 at 1:50 pm |
    • Psy Lance

      "Teachers, coaches, adult relatives are also no less authoritarian that clergy so the "men of position" argument doesn't differentiate the clergy from other perpetrators who always use their position of power to victimize."

      Bill, your facts just don't add up. Penn State is a good example of a school that was harboring an abuser, you have seen the smack down that school recieved and it will continue to be forced to rebuild it's name after one coah abused his power. What have we seen from the RCC? Any real smackdown on the ones hiding the abusers or defending them? No, just another $10 million settlement that was paid for out of your pocket. I hope you feel good about supporting their need for more cash to pay abusers, nearly $1.3 BILLION has been spent on paying off the abused so far. If you don't see this as a major problem and you keep defending the faith as something holy, you are deluded, insane or just plain stupid.

      March 13, 2013 at 1:58 pm |
    • sam stone

      That's right, Bill. It's all about the church. They are soooo persecuted

      March 13, 2013 at 2:03 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Bill

      "It is also typical in the other organizations we are speaking of, they circle the wagons too. Teachers, coaches, adult relatives are also no less authoritarian that clergy so the "men of position" argument doesn't differentiate the clergy from other perpetrators who always use their position of power to victimize."
      –Wrongo boyo. It's on a case by case basis and when they do "circle the wagons" as you put it, they are also culpable. It's why, like I pointed out, why Penn State is being punished severely. You are using false equivalency however by comparing the church to "teachers" or just "adults". In this specific case, the head of the entire catholic church was trying to protect priests who were perpetrating crimes, that's wrong, period. It's also wrong for a school to protect it's teachers or families to protect on of their own, but in thise case the churchs reach is much further and more powerful than 1 school or 1 family's, do you understand?

      Also, It's not just that priests have a position of power that they are abusing, it's that this position specifically built on being a moral authority, which makes their actions more reprehensible than say, a teachers who's only job it is to teach in their specific field.

      "you should go where the children are being hurt most often and it isn't in the Church"
      –You assume (incorrectly I might add) that people like myself only target the church to stop child molestation. I also have a problem with all the absues happening outside the church as well, but once again you try to pass the blame to the Dept. of Education which doesn't make any sense. It's not the Dept. of Edu to prosecute teachers, nor have they actively protected children from the right authorities, moved them to different schools and allowed them to continue their abuses.

      Instead of trying to defend the Catholic Church by stamping your feet and asking everyone to turn the other way because theres worse stuff going on outside the church you should try and just accept the fact that the catholic church, an insti.tution that's supposed to be a moral guide for over a billion people on the earth, really screwed the pooch and you should join us in condemning their actions and hoping that the next pope course corrects the church big time.

      March 13, 2013 at 2:03 pm |
    • .

      That you cannot differentiate the difference between church dogma (which is NOT under attack) and their policy of hiding pedophiles (which IS) is astounding, Bill Deacon.
      Keep playing persecuted Catholic. False victimization suits you.

      March 13, 2013 at 2:13 pm |
  4. In Other News

    Reported today on cnn: 6,000 dead pigs found in Chinese river. (Unnamed sources have reported that Live4Him has headed to China to investigate upon hearing a false report that each of the dead pigs each had a UPC code.)

    March 13, 2013 at 10:30 am |
    • Also of note.

      That the UPC code of a collection of various types of hammers, sold in a bag, had the identical UPC code as tattooed on Live4Him's forehead, coincidence, we think not. The mark does not lie.

      March 13, 2013 at 10:40 am |
  5. Answerman

    Had a survey been conducted asking African citizens if they would prefer having an African pope or if they would rather nations struggling with deep debt and obesity stop rayping Africa of her oil and diamonds, there would be no further discussion of an African pope.

    March 13, 2013 at 10:05 am |
    • Akira

      I believe Saraswati told you your figures were wrong yesterday; I believe if you are so deeply unhappy with the Unites States, you should probably move.
      I know you figures regarding the percentages of Christians in America were wrong; therefore I can only conclude you are here so you can make outrageous statements and repeatedly misspell the word 'raping.

      March 13, 2013 at 11:51 am |
  6. Over 40,000 denominations of insanity

    Some believe that celibacy is appropriate for certain people, or for certain positions. It's ridiculous. Celibacy is unnatural and will continue to cause problems for the religious institutions that employ it.

    Many of the people from these same institutions advocate against abortion, but don't understand the realistic benefit of the morning after pill or even basic contraception; their unrealistic wishful thinking is causing the death of many at the hands of disease. Realistically, many abortions could be avoided if a morning-after pill were not viewed as such an evil option. Many of these same people bring children into the world at a high pace, and then would prefer that the rest of society take over and educate their children in their particular brand of religion when they don't plan well.

    In the U.S. recently we learned of the head of LCMS chastising a minister of that church for participating in a joint service for the victims of the Newtown school shooting.

    One sect calls homosexuality an abomination while the next one in the same denomination is already performing gay marriage.

    One sect, the Westboro Baptist Church believes Americans are being killed at war because America is too kind to "fags".

    One sect believes that Jesus and Satan were brothers and that Christ will return to Jerusalem AND Jackson County, Missouri.

    One sect believes women to be subservient, while another sect in the same denomination promotes equality between the sexes.

    Conflicted right from the very beginning, Christianity continues to splinter and create divisions and more extremism as it goes.

    =================================================
    Has anything improved with Christianity since 200+ years ago?

    Thomas Jefferson, POTUS #3 (from Notes on the State of Virginia):

    Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.

    James Madison, POTUS #4, chief architect of the U.S. Constitution & the Bill of Rights (from A Memorial and Remonstrance delivered to the Virginia General Assembly in 1785):

    During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.

    John Adams, POTUS #2 (in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, 09/03/1816):

    I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved – the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced! With the rational respect that is due to it, knavish priests have added prostitutions of it, that fill or might fill the blackest and bloodiest pages of human history.

    Ben Franklin (from a letter to The London Packet, 3 June 1772):

    If we look back into history for the character of present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practised it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England, blamed persecution in the Roman church, but practised it against the Puritans: these found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here and in New England.

    Thomas Paine (from The Age of Reason):

    All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
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    March 13, 2013 at 9:44 am |

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  7. We don't need A Frickin Pope

    Get it?

    March 13, 2013 at 9:26 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Every tribe needs a council and every council needs a leader

      March 13, 2013 at 9:39 am |
    • Hahahahahahahaha

      The pope is just a figurehead. No one listens to him anyway. Hahahahaahahah

      March 13, 2013 at 9:44 am |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obesquious papal apologist troll.

      March 13, 2013 at 9:45 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      No one listens to him? You mean not the throngs currently gathered in St. Peters Square? Not the hundreds of thousands of religious throughout the world who are looking for leadership in the Year of Faith? Not the billion or so who anticipate a renewed vigor in evangelization? I think you 're social circle is too small.

      March 13, 2013 at 10:33 am |
    • Billy

      Well a lot of people are addicted to drugs – that doesn't mean they need them, Bill.

      March 13, 2013 at 10:39 am |
    • End Religion

      The "throngs currently gathered in St. Peters Square" are likely just homeless looking for a soup kitchen.

      March 13, 2013 at 11:25 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Reports I am reading say the crowd falls into three main categories. Religious who live and work around the Vatican who are holding vigils, dedicated faithful who have specifically traveled many miles to be present for history and those Catholics and other curious who, by happenstance find themselves at the right place and the right time to witness the event. Do you have any stats on how many homeless there are in Vatican city?

      March 13, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      , Jan 7, 2008 / 01:49 pm (CNA).- On January 4 Pope Benedict XVI visited a homeless shelter in Rome founded “20 years ago by Blessed Teresa of Calcutta and currently operated by the congregation she founded, the Missionaries of Charity.”

      March 13, 2013 at 1:22 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Are drug addicts tribal Billy? Answer: No, they are drug addicts

      March 13, 2013 at 1:22 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Bill, The majority of the world's population are not catholics. A majority of catholics do not for example follow the church guidance on contraception. So while it may be an exaggeration to say no one listens, I don't really think the pope has much relevance for most people.

      March 13, 2013 at 1:31 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      That suits me fine Santa

      March 13, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
    • Hahahahahahahaha

      No one listens to him? You mean not the throngs currently gathered in St. Peters Square? Not the hundreds of thousands of religious throughout the world who are looking for leadership in the Year of Faith? Not the billion or so who anticipate a renewed vigor in evangelization? I think you 're social circle is too small.

      Exactly Bill!!!!!!! No one that matters!!!!!! Hahahahahhahahahah

      March 13, 2013 at 2:11 pm |
  8. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    March 13, 2013 at 9:13 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      March 13, 2013 at 1:04 pm |
    • Really?

      "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things"

      That's why the data, has shown that atheists have happier and healthier lives than conservative Christians. Your post is built on a lie!

      March 13, 2013 at 1:06 pm |
  9. Science

    The origin of life wow Does not look like it is Adam and Eve

    Light Shed On Ancient Origin of Life

    Mar. 6, 2013 — University of Georgia researchers discovered important genetic clues about the history of microorganisms called archaea and the origins of life itself in the first ever study of its kind. Results of their study shed light on one of Earth's oldest life forms.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130307110644.htm

    peace

    March 13, 2013 at 8:42 am |
  10. nowitspringsforth

    Reblogged this on now it springs forth.

    March 13, 2013 at 8:32 am |
  11. Reality

    Lyrics that resonate for all-time:

    "The Two Universal Sects

    They all err—Moslems, Jews,
    Christians, and Zoroastrians:

    Humanity follows two world-wide sects:
    One, man intelligent without religion,
    The second, religious without intellect. "

    Al-Ma'arri
    , born AD 973 /, died AD 1058 / .

    Al-Ma’arri was a blind Arab philosopher, poet and writer.[1][2] He was a controversial rationalist of his time, attacking the dogmas of religion and rejecting the claim that Islam possessed any monopoly on truth."

    March 13, 2013 at 12:03 am |
  12. thecollegeadmissionsguru

    Seriously, I think this is a WHOLE LOT OF BS for NOTHING,... Really, who cares? There are more students in colleges today who identify themselves as NO religion than Catholic.

    March 12, 2013 at 11:33 pm |
    • Akira

      In Africa, where this survey was taken?

      March 12, 2013 at 11:53 pm |
  13. clarity

    Roman Catholic Church Sex Abuse Cases
    http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/r/roman_catholic_church_sex_abuse_cases/index.html

    March 12, 2013 at 10:24 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      +
      An estimated 4 to 5 million U.S. public school students may be at risk or become victims of seexual assault by school employees and teachers. Even so, media outlets and public officials remain tight-lipped, cover-up allegations, and fight disclosure.
      Since 2007, over 2,000 separate seexual abuse cases have been filed against U. S. public school employees. This takes into account the relatively small number of cases dismissed outright, dismissed under plea agreement or changed to other charges upon conviction, but does not include the many others that get swept under the rug, covered-up, or never reported at all, according to records kept by the website BadBadTeacher.com.

      Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/290312#ixzz2NQLNJjTQ

      March 13, 2013 at 9:04 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      We have 4,500 cases since 1950. You have 2,000 since 2007. I don't suppose we will ever catch you.

      March 13, 2013 at 9:05 am |
    • midwest rail

      You have 4500 KNOWN cases. And the coverup continues unabated.

      March 13, 2013 at 9:07 am |
    • midwest rail

      No answer for those missing records. They claimed they turned over 30,000 pages of evidence. Turns out, they only turned over 18,000 pages, and those were heavily redacted. Are you still buying the company line, Bill ? What's in those missing pages ?

      March 13, 2013 at 9:33 am |
    • midwest rail

      http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/07/14/world/europe/14church-report.html?_r=0

      Any evidence any public school official ever interfered in the affairs of a sovereign country ?

      March 13, 2013 at 9:39 am |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obesquious papal apologist troll.

      March 13, 2013 at 9:55 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      In US schools, according to the United States Department of Education,[166] "nearly 9.6% of students are targets of educator seexual misconduct sometime during their school career." In studies of student seex abuse by male and female educators, male students were reported as targets in ranges from 23% to 44%.[166] In U.S. school settings same-seex (female and male) seexual misconduct against students by educators "ranges from 18–28% of reported cases, depending on the study"[167]

      I guess since the U.S. is a sovereign country and runs it's own cover up that's not really interference is it midwest?

      March 13, 2013 at 9:56 am |
    • midwest rail

      Really Bill ? The United States is running its own coverup ?

      March 13, 2013 at 10:00 am |
    • The Demon Deacon

      midwest
      The US RCC has paid out about $2.6 billion in damages. Billy thinks the reason the country is in deficit is becaue the government has had to pay out 100's of billions in damages, he is an obesquious papal apologist troll.

      March 13, 2013 at 10:13 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      Dill Beacon
      The John Jay report evaluated 10,667 cases of alleged abuse, and 6700 were substantiated against 4.392 priests between 1950 to 2002.

      This is just in America, and only cases that were reported., and this was only one report. Your numbers are wrong Bill.

      March 13, 2013 at 10:22 am |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Writing obsequious a hunderd time on my tablet, untill I get the spelling correct, forgive me Bill, you know you are compelled too, the power of christ and all?

      March 13, 2013 at 10:26 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      In 2010 there were some 54 million children in the U.S. public school system. Using the U.S. Dept of Educations own calculus, that represents nearly 5,200,000 cases of child seexual abuse by public school teachers in that year alone. Using your number of 11,000 some odd alleged cases in the last 60 years against Catholic priests and educators, I see that the public school system is many magnitudes greater in terms of the number and ratio of children it permanently damages. The evidence is incontrovertible that while abuses and coverups certainly exist within the Catholic Church as in other denominations, the U.S. Department of Education has perpetrated, by far, the largest victimization pogrom on the planet.

      You can keep pointing your finger if you like but you can't make the case with any integrity that the Church is the culprit we need to scrutinize.

      March 13, 2013 at 10:44 am |
    • Barry

      I'm sure if we knew hard numbers of abuses by the (primarily Catholic-run) Canadian Indian residential school system over the last several decades of its existence and could add those to abuses known in the U.S., it would paint a dreadful picture. Of course there, the abuse was in all forms, especially just plain neglect regarding very poor health practices. Very poor records were kept – how convenient.

      March 13, 2013 at 10:58 am |
    • midwest rail

      Good grief, Bill, they should have just cast you as Billy Flynn in the movie "Chicago". You obviously tap dance better than he does. Still no answer to those missing and redacted pages they supposedly turned over ? Why are they scared of the truth ?

      March 13, 2013 at 11:02 am |
    • Bob

      Many of you will have seen the incessant posts here by Catholic apologist Bill Deacon, trying to downplay the horrors of sexual abuse by Catholic priests by using broken arguments such as comparisons with abuses in other organizations. He keeps dumping similar posts under many blog articles and comment threads.

      Bill's case is a broken one, and he has already been caught in the wrong elsewhere with it. First, 2 wrongs don't make a right, and second, Catholic priests are in positions of authority and power, and make a claim to higher moral ground. They should be held to higher moral standards and their crimes are especially heinous given their positions, particularly when the church has been well documented in its attempts to try to hide their abuses.

      Bill Deacon, you've been caught in the act, and your arguments are broken.

      March 13, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      So your argument has degenerated to the cases that no one knows about? To supposed cases that will swell the numbers from 11,000 to over 5 million? Is that the extent of the great Catholic cover up?

      Should we wonder then about the cases that are not reported within the public school system? Should we propose a percentage that might have been unreported? Would the same percentage apply statistically to the Church as to the US Ed? What is it was only half? What if there are twice as many cases against the Church that we don't know about?. That would mean there are 11,000 plus 22,000 = 33,000, round it off, call it 50,000. Ok, there are fifty thousand cases of seexual abuse by Catholic clergy. Hmmm public schools still trump us with 4,450,000 more. But hey, I'm sure we can come up with some more kids that have seen priests. Isn't that abuse? Yeah, that's the ticket.

      The absurd twisting and abject hypocrisy and bigotry you people will go to to keep your little game of blame the Catholics going is pathetic. I say get the truth out. Keep blaming. Keep telling everyone you are for kids safety, because I can tell you that Catholics are and if it takes the scandal within the Church to highlight the issue that is epidemic in your own homes then we will gladly bear that cross.

      March 13, 2013 at 1:31 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Bill, I agree that child abuse should be eliminated whereever it occurs or could occur. I don't agree that the RCC should get a free pass – no senior member of the church has been prosecuted let alone gone to prison, the perpetrators were shielded, any liability that could not be avoided was paid out of funds redirected from parishioners. The RCC takes this so lightly that Cardinal Mahoney is in the Vatican helping to choose the next pope when he was a major culprit in the cover up of criminal activity. This is way worse that teachers (whose salaries are often paid by taxpayers).
      These are criminals and the RCC does not take it seriously.

      March 13, 2013 at 1:40 pm |
    • midwest rail

      " We will gladly bear that cross. " And now the real tap dancing begins. Any attempt to keep the pressure on the hierarchy to fully resolve these matters is now seen as persecution. Abject nonsense.

      March 13, 2013 at 1:45 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      It's not persecution MW. It's the willingness to bear the burden so that others can be freed.

      March 13, 2013 at 1:53 pm |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apolosist troll. The is the same type of response Benny the Rat made in a speech as pope...." I must say these revelations were a SHOCK for me. They are a great sadness and it is hard to understand how this perversion of the priestly ministry was possible." Billy like Benny can not see the cover up was as criminal as the crime. Bill's mission is to deflect the blame and attack the press, but like the hypocrite he is does not complain about the constant media coverage of picking the next top hustler.

      March 13, 2013 at 2:11 pm |
  14. Reasonably

    All very silly. Africans should embrace their own religions and not glom on to the religions of the white man.

    March 12, 2013 at 8:20 pm |
    • Lenn

      As much as Europeans should have kept their pagan religions instead of adopting the Asian faith of Christianity, I suppose?

      March 13, 2013 at 9:52 am |
    • Woody

      "Africans should embrace their own religions and not glom on to the religions of the white man."

      Africans, as well as the residents of other continents, should embrace education and science and throw off the shackles of ancient mumbo-jumbo. Where religion and supersti-tion control peoples lives, there is little chance of progress.

      March 13, 2013 at 10:45 am |
  15. Post-it note

    Mohammad make sure to buy some tissue papers today, we have been out for last three days, and don't touch keyboard with your smelly hands.

    – Mother

    March 12, 2013 at 6:25 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      Mama, I am not the only one who lives in this house, go get yourself b it ch, and don't disturb me, I am doing God's assign work, I am fighting Hindus on CNN, and bring some well water to wash hands, my hands are getting sticky too.

      your son
      Mohammad

      March 12, 2013 at 6:33 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      Typical hinduism absurdity of a hindu ignorant from hindered gutter of hinduism ignorance india.

      March 12, 2013 at 7:09 pm |
    • Post-it note

      Mohammad smell bad, underpant brown yellow, Mama mad, no tissue papers no food, Mohammad whole day computer, hindu hindu hindu, agree?

      March 12, 2013 at 7:26 pm |
    • clarity

      Roman Catholic Church Sex Abuse Cases.
      http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/r/roman_catholic_church_sex_abuse_cases/index.html

      March 12, 2013 at 10:24 pm |
  16. ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

    hindu criminal Mithra sim savior ism, Christianity is an off shoot of hinduism racism, based on hinduism racism of Pharaoh's time, preached to full fill soul desire like a hindu hungry dog, secular by denying human spirit, essence of human. A hindu dog may change his way, if not hungry, but not these hindus racist with nature of a hindu hungry dogs. self centered secular s. their skin may be white, but very hindu dark soul, desire.

    March 12, 2013 at 6:00 pm |
    • Answer

      Islam wipe butt, no tissue. Use own hands. filthy.

      March 12, 2013 at 6:03 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      hinduism absurdity of a hindu follower of hindu secular ism, filthy dog ism.

      March 12, 2013 at 6:10 pm |
    • Answer

      Got milk? Mohammed gives, to little boy, 8.

      March 12, 2013 at 6:23 pm |
    • clarity

      Roman Catholic Church Sex Abuse Cases...
      http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/r/roman_catholic_church_sex_abuse_cases/index.html

      March 12, 2013 at 10:25 pm |
  17. Cat Holic

    No chance. According to orthodoxy God is Caucasian so how can his representation on Earth be anything else

    March 12, 2013 at 5:53 pm |
  18. Bootyfunk

    hahaha, good luck with that! african pope? conservative = prejudiced
    it's not gonna happen. those old white guys are NOT going to vote for a black guy.

    March 12, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
    • Answer

      There won't be many white folks left around in the future that is for sure.

      Cross breeding!

      March 12, 2013 at 5:42 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      yay crossbreading! makes breeds much stronger than in-breeding. plus then we get super hot mixed women!

      March 12, 2013 at 5:45 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      hindu criminal Mithra sim savior ism, Christianity is an off shoot of hinduism racism, based on hinduism racism of Pharaoh's time, preached to full fill soul desire like a hindu hungry dog, secular by denying human spirit, essence of human. A hindu dog may change his way, if not hungry, but not these hindus racist with nature of a hindu hungry dogs. self centered seculars.

      March 12, 2013 at 5:54 pm |
    • clarity

      Roman Catholic Church Sex Abuse Cases....
      http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/r/roman_catholic_church_sex_abuse_cases/index.html

      March 12, 2013 at 10:26 pm |
    • Lenn

      Booty
      You seem to be under the impression that the rest of the world is as racist as we are.

      March 13, 2013 at 9:50 am |
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