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The money man behind atheism’s activism
Todd Stiefel, a wealthy businessman, is responsible for bank rolling many atheism activism projects.
March 23rd, 2013
10:00 PM ET

The money man behind atheism’s activism

By Dan Merica, CNN

(CNN) - Todd Stiefel is far from a household name, and the odds he gets recognized on a street corner, even in his hometown of Raleigh, North Carolina, are small.

For Stiefel, a slim, scruffy ex-Catholic, his public persona is his wallet and activism. Through the Stiefel Freethought Foundation, the 38-year-old has made an indelible impact on the nation’s fastest-growing “religious” group: the nonbelievers. Most of the highest-profile atheists campaigns –- flashy billboards in high-traffic areas, news-making efforts to get atheists to come out of the closet, and boisterous rallies - are funded by his fortune.

Stiefel isn’t shy about his far-reaching goals.

“What I am trying to accomplish is multifold, he told CNN. “I consider myself working on the next civil equality movement, just like women’s rights, LGBT rights and African-American Civil Rights. We are still in the early stages of eliminating discrimination against atheists and humanists. That is something I really want to accomplish.”

So far, Stiefel has pumped $3.5 million into those aspirations, and his money benefits a number of atheist organizations, from the Clergy Project, a group that helps atheist and doubting clergy out of the closet, to American Atheists, arguably the most in-your-face atheist group in the country.

Stiefel sees his work as far more than just money. For him, this is just the beginning.

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From Catholic school to atheist millionaire

Stiefel was born in Albany, New York, in 1974 to Catholic parents. He was raised in a Catholic household, confirmed in the church, attended Sunday school, went to a Catholic high school.

“I was a cross-wearing, praying, religious-retreat Catholic,” Stiefel said. “You could say there were points that I felt the spirit.”

But his faith, he said, fluctuated during high school. “I was always a skeptic,” he said, “and I always asked a lot of questions.”

At 18, Stiefel attended Duke University to pursue a degree in psychology. To fill an elective, he took an Old Testament history class at the Duke University Divinity School. It was there, he said, that his final “ebb” away from belief took hold.

In the class, Stiefel said he saw a flawed logic in the Old Testament. In particular, he said, he began to see much of the Old Testament as unoriginal stories that had been told in many pagan traditions.

“'Wait a second, is what I believe in really the truth or is it really the accumulation of myths bundled in a package?’” Stiefel remembers asking himself. “That was the end of my faith right there.”

After graduating from Duke, Stiefel went into the family business: Stiefel Laboratories, a company that develops products to combat skin diseases. For 12 years, Stiefel worked with his family and turned the business into a major player in their specialized market.

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In 2009, with Stiefel in an executive position, the Stiefel family opted to sell the company to GlaxoSmithKline. The price tag: $2.9 billion, according to media reports at the time.

“I only got a very small piece of that, for the record,” Stiefel said with a laugh. “I did, however, find myself in a unique and fortunate position where I was able to do whatever I wanted to do.”

And like many who have the luxury of doing exactly what they want, Stiefel began thinking about what he was truly passionate about. After kicking around the idea of starting another business, the answer became clear to the young millionaire: advocating for atheism.

“I wanted to try to help the world,” he said. “I wanted to give back and this seemed like the most productive way to help humanity.”

‘Just doing my part’

Stiefel put $2 million in to begin his foundation. In his first year, according to tax documents, the nonprofit disbursed $700,000 to groups like the Secular Coalition for America, the American Humanist Association and Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

In 2010 and 2011, the giving continued with the foundation distributing around $750,000 to different atheist and humanist causes. In 2011, he also pumped another $500,000 into his foundation.

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“I am just doing my part within my means,” he said. “Different people have different means. I am doing what I can do, just like the rest of the people in the movement are.”

But recipients of the money, such as David Silverman, president of the American Atheists, see his impact as much greater than just a one-off activist.

“Todd is an example of what major contributions can accomplish for atheism,” he said. “From a donation stand point, he is really leading the movement to a different level.”

Walking the line

One of Stiefel’s major concerted contributions in the last three years was the Reason Rally, an event held on the National Mall in Washington, which was billed as a watershed moment in the atheism movement. The goal of the event was to show to religious Americans that atheism was a powerful minority in American life.

Stiefel speaks onstage at the Reason Rally.

The rally drew a number of high-profile speakers, including Richard Dawkins, the author of “The God Delusion,” and thousands of attendees, despite rainy weather.

In his speech to the crowd, Stiefel talked about what he sees as the most important problem facing atheism: “Discrimination comes from ignorance, and in this case it is ignorance about our beliefs,” he said. “We are told freethinkers believe in nothing, but that’s a misunderstanding. We believe in a lot of things; we don’t all believe the same things.”

Stiefel put $250,000 toward the rally, a contribution that Silverman, the organizer, said was critical.

“He brought the Reason Rally to a brand new level,” Silverman said. Without that money, “we would have had far fewer people and a far smaller event.”

Silverman and the Reason Rally advocated for a specific brand of atheism. Silverman, who regularly calls his group the “Marines of the Freethought Movement,” is not shy in making it clear that he views his goal in calling out religion and elevating atheism.

Stiefel says he doesn't necessarily endorse those tactics wholly, but he does see their validity.

“I try to walk a line,” he said. “I see religious criticism as valuable, and groups like American Atheists are good at that. I do think we have to have a dialogue about who has the right ideas and part of that is pointing out the flaws in religious ideas.”

Stiefel continued: “I also see inter-belief work, though. I do find a lot of value in inter-belief work and I do see a lot of value in general charity work.”

Evidence of that is his work on cancer fundraising.

In 2012, Stiefel approached the Foundation Beyond Belief with an idea of creating networks of nonbelievers around the country to help raise money for the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society. Stiefel tapped into his atheist network and began organizing different event.

In total, the atheist groups raised $430,000 in 2012, including a $215,000 donation from Stiefel and his wife, Diana.

“Across the country there are 150 local groups of atheists and freethinkers raising money for charity,” Stiefel said proudly.

The key, however, was bridging the gap between atheist and religious communities in the name of charity.

“We welcomed Christians, as well,” he said. “Some of our biggest fundraisers were Christians.”

For 2013, the goal is to raise $500,000.

Expanding the community

With money and resolve comes great influence for Stiefel. He has the ear of many atheist leaders, meaning he can dictate the movement’s focus.

Stiefel said he wants to see the atheism movement expand its footprint.

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“What I would really like to see is expanding out communities to people who may not just be atheists or agnostics and into people who are religiously skeptical and may still have some religious beliefs,” he said. “Nobody is a perfect skeptic and I would like to see more people like that in our community.”

For Stiefel, this is a personal priority. He says his wife, whom he describes as a skeptical Christian, is someone who would fall within an expanded atheist movement.

“My message is not only of anti-theism,” Stiefel said. “I don’t choose to attack religion itself. I see religion as something that provides both good and ill to the world.”

- Dan Merica

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  1. B Schmitt

    God Loves All HIS children. Even all who have left him, just as the story of the prodigal son.

    April 11, 2013 at 1:41 pm |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "B Schmitt", but "God" and "HIS" are elements of mythology, therefore your assertions are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE), the expression that best matches the degree to which your unfounded assertion may represent a truth is: "TOTAL FAIL".

      April 11, 2013 at 1:45 pm |
    • Salero21

      Not ALL are His children, there are those who are the devil's children. Those who do God's will are His children.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Salero21", but "God", "His" and "devil" are all elements of mythology, therefore your assertions are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE), the expression that best matches the degree to which your repeated unfounded assertions may represent truths is: "EPIC FAIL".

      April 11, 2013 at 1:49 pm |
    • sam stone

      B Schmitt: By what authority do you claim to speak for god?

      April 11, 2013 at 2:16 pm |
    • B Schmitt

      Sam Stone, By what authority do you question me?

      April 11, 2013 at 6:13 pm |
    • Nah

      Looks like sam asked you first, Schitt..

      April 11, 2013 at 6:15 pm |
  2. B Schmitt

    The message Jesus Christ is Love.

    April 11, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
    • Red Dwarf

      The message of humanists is love.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:34 pm |
    • Red Dwarf

      Think about the example of the good Samaritan. Christ mentions how all the other religious men walked on by, but the Samaritan with no mention of his religious beliefs, stops to help the man who had been robbed and beaten. Not because he was a member of any religion, but because it was the right thing to do. You do not need a God above or a HeII below to illicit good behavior from humans, good behavior and treating others as you want to be treated is it's own reward. Anyone who is simply behaving because of the threat of damnation or the promise of heaven has been bribed or extorted for their good behavior which means they are the worst kind of people, those with no morals of their own, no empathy for others and no love. The Christ of the gospels teaches a very different religion than that of the Hebrews and includes many eastern philosophies. This is obvious to anyone who has read both the Hebrew and Greek scriptures.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:44 pm |
  3. B Schmitt

    Atheism is just a bunch of "know it alls" that doesn't have anything to do but go after people who believe in God. These people need a better purpose in life.

    April 11, 2013 at 12:45 pm |
    • Nah

      Well gee, "B", what do you mean – what is it they know or don't know?

      April 11, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Atheists are not the ones claiming to have the answers...we leave that to the ones who believe all the hooey that men made up and put in the bible.

      We freely admit when we do not know the answers, but continue to try to find the correct answers.

      We do not think that the superst!tious, ignorant people from 2,000 years ago had any answers either, other than that which can be verified.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:01 pm |
    • The Enforcer

      Hey athiests, if you are so smart, where do we all come from? A big bang? Really? That makes a lot sense. That a "bang" brings about the order of the universe...sure, because that always happens, when a bang or crash occurs there's always order, etc., and you're supposed to be the "intellectuals"?? Ok, then what caused the big bang? Eventually when you really think about it you will get back to a Prime Mover, i.e., God. Someone put this all in motion and that someone is God. In any event, if the believers are all wrong, what's there to lose? If athiests are wrong, there's hell to pay. Think about it. That's a hell of gamble. Good luck.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:13 pm |
    • WOW

      Hey Enforcer – it's better to admit you don't know something rather than making stuff up.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:21 pm |
    • The Enforcer

      Hey WOW, it's called faith. As I said, good luck with your atheism. You must be a gambler. God be with you. Remember the house always wins...

      April 11, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
    • Red Dwarf

      " if the believers are all wrong, what's there to lose?"

      Which believers? There have been hundreds and hundreds of faiths and thousands of God's worshiped throughout history, all with a different set of requirements for proper worship and reward.

      If you are not familiar with Pascals wager then please do a little homework and find out why your premise is so flawed.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:31 pm |
    • The Enforcer

      Reason alone points to one God (one Prime Mover that started it all in motion – that's a fact) and you're lying to your inner self if you don't recognize that. From Jews to Greeks, Romans, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, etc., they have all reasoned that there was one supreme being. Look it up, Mr. Dwarf, rather than spout off what you heard on NPR, try reading and studying past world religions. One Supreme Being. Every religion has always had one. Even those that held to many "gods" had one that ruled them all. One that created them all. Those that didn't find this in their true, honest, sincere, search for objective truth used flawed reasoning. Rather than send pithey quotes and cite to Pascal to show off your Bush league education, stop and sit down and really think about where it all started and how we got here. There is one God - even your reason will show you that. Simply because others had many "gods" doesn't mean that there is not only one God.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:43 pm |
    • Red Dwarf

      " Simply because others had many "gods" doesn't mean that there is not only one God."

      Ah, circular logic. The problem is that you don't know and there is nothing that points to a singular prime mover other than you and your brethren. Bring some of your evidence to class someday and the rest of us doing actual research on the universe and it's origins will be happy to review it. As of yet you keep showing up with an empty box that mirrors the collective real knowledge in your heads.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:52 pm |
    • The Enforcer

      Good luck, my friend. God be with you.

      April 11, 2013 at 2:02 pm |
    • hal 9001

      "Enforcer": "Reason alone points to one God (one Prime Mover that started it all in motion – that's a fact)"

      What data do you have to support your alleged "fact", "Enforcer"?

      "Enforcer": "From Jews to Greeks, Romans, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, etc., they have all reasoned that there was one supreme being."

      Yes, "Enforcer", I am aware of ancient mythology.

      "Enforcer": "Simply because others had many "gods" doesn't mean that there is not only one God."

      Of course not, "Enforcer". But I'm afraid you are leaving out many other possibilities, "Enforcer" regarding concepts that are purely conjecture.

      April 11, 2013 at 2:03 pm |
    • sam stone

      you claim to know the likes and dislikes of god and athiests are the know-it-alls?

      April 11, 2013 at 2:19 pm |
    • Kilto

      I agree B. Schmitt! Atheists claim to have an answer...yet they really do not it is just a lot of hot air. Christians make up nearly 2 billion on this planet. I think Atheists need a real answer and the answer is Jesus Christ!

      April 11, 2013 at 3:51 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Kilto

      Strange. You were saying that atheists never answer questions, and when I did you disappeared from the thread. What answers do you think atheists are asserting to have? Or are you in the business of just making claims without backing it up?

      April 11, 2013 at 3:55 pm |
    • Kilto

      I didn't disappear...I merely left because I had things to do but I did get around to reading your answer. I was going to quote some of the Atheists on here but I lack the patience to do so. From what I remember reading though...I have trouble getting a grasp on how Atheism is not a religion. Atheism requires faith. Atheists believe that there is no God or deity. You have to believe there is no God. You can't just claim it and not believe it. It goes with everything else an Atheist might believe in on Earth. Like the air we breathe everyday...

      April 11, 2013 at 4:08 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Kilto

      Atheism is not necessarily the belief that there is no god/gods. It is the rejection of the claim that there is one. They are two very different things. Now, believing that there are no gods is consistent with atheism, but not necessary to it. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the term. Also, keep in mind that the god belief is not split into Christian and atheist.

      April 11, 2013 at 4:17 pm |
    • Stephen Hawking is an Idiot

      Makes no difference if you reject it or not. It still requires faith to believe it and of all the religions in the world almost all of them believed in a Supreme Being. So the question is if you reject the belief in God, What moment of eureka caused you to think that way? If man evolved from apes, how come we still have apes in the world? How could the planets be made out of space dust? There must have been a moment in your life where you were convinced that there wasn't a God? Where is your proof that there is no God? What are your thoughts about before time was ever known there was a God? First, there always was a God...and then eventually everything else came to be...just my 2 cents.

      April 11, 2013 at 4:38 pm |
    • Nah

      " It still requires faith to believe it and of all the religions in the world almost all of them believed in a Supreme Being."

      As children, we believe all sorts of things – but then we grow up. Think of humanity that way. Those clinging to folklore are no different than children who have trouble letting go of their favorite blankets or dolls.

      April 11, 2013 at 4:44 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Stephen Hawking is an Idiot

      Wow, there's a whole lot wrong there.

      "What moment of eureka caused you to think that way?"
      It's called skepticism. I looked at the claims based on the merit of the evidence provided, and found it lacking completely.

      "If man evolved from apes, how come we still have apes in the world?"
      Try learning the science, then you'll realize how non-sensical that question actually is. It's like saying "Lutherans were an offshoot of Catholicism, so why are there still catholics?

      "How could the planets be made out of space dust?"
      Gravity.

      "There must have been a moment in your life where you were convinced that there wasn't a God?"
      That's not really a question.

      "Where is your proof that there is no God?"
      I'm not asserting that there is no gods.

      "What are your thoughts about before time was ever known there was a God?"
      This sentence doesn't even make any sense.

      April 11, 2013 at 4:49 pm |
    • Kilto

      As Adults...we grow up out of certain things. Santa Clause, tooth fairy, the Easter bunny yeah of course. The belief in God is very different. My belief in Jesus is not a myth or folklore but grounded in the word of God.

      April 11, 2013 at 4:54 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      I do not hold to a "no gods" faith or "zero gods possible" belief.
      I don't believe in YOUR god, or any of the gods described to me up to this date and time. If someone were to describe a god for which there seemed plausible reasons and/or evidence, I would happily change my opinion and believe in the one that made sense to me.

      If you would like me to believe in your god, then describe it properly and detail the reasons I should realize that it exists. But if doesn't make sense (like some childish prankster sacrificing himself to himself to appease himself to exploit a loophole he made himself in a plan that caused great death and destruction) then I'm afraid that's just a bit too stupid for me to swallow.

      April 11, 2013 at 4:58 pm |
    • Lisa

      Why debate with a fool? If he/she chooses not to believe in a God, he/she will need some sort of evidence. I have read a number of comments on here demanding proof of God from Atheists. All I will say is to look up at the stars, read a bible, do some research, go to church. I do not know how to drive a manual car yet I can learn can't I? It doesn't mean the option isn't available? Just because Atheists can't comprehend a God doesn't mean he isn't there? If you refuse to believe then you must present some sort of evidence in that belief because without doing so your just being a fool. Like playing Russian roulette betting it all on black who would take such a stance on something so important as the belief in God himself. Only a fool would be so sure...

      April 11, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Lisa

      So confirmatory bias, Pascal's Wager, and Shifting the Burden of Proof. Got it.

      April 11, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
    • Kilto

      Well, I would say this...Pascal's wager is not enough. You can believe in God but that is no reassurance that you will spend eternity in Heaven. You will not only have to believe in God but also accept his terms for salvation.

      April 11, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
    • David

      " I do not know how to drive a manual car yet I can learn can't I? It doesn't mean the option isn't available? Just because Atheists can't comprehend a God doesn't mean he isn't there?"

      Since you have solid examples of both automatic and manual transmissions, your example does not really apply. Now if you said "I don't know how to drive a flux capacitor transmission, yet I can learn can't I?" that would have been a closer analogy. Here we have known methods of life on this planet that we have studied and observed to come to an evolutionary conclusion for part of the origins of life (the manual transmission) and then you have your theory of a prime mover, a universal creator (the flux capacitor if you will), which can not be tested, can not be seen, can not be heard, can not be felt by any known testing methods and yet you want to say "Hey, why havn't you learned to drive the flux capacitor transmission yet? Are you just stupid?"

      No, we are not stupid, we are sane and apparently that trait prevents many of us from accepting your God based solely on your word.

      April 12, 2013 at 1:50 pm |
  4. Over 40,000 denominations of insanity

    One sect calls homosexuality an abomination while the next one (over 4,000,000 members) in the same denomination is already performing gay marriage.

    One sect, the Westboro Baptist Church believes Americans are being killed at war because America is too kind to "fags".

    One sect believes women to be subservient, while another sect in the same denomination promotes equality between the sexes.

    One sect believes that Jesus and Satan were brothers and that Christ will return to Jerusalem AND Jackson County, Missouri.

    Some believe the Pope is the Anti-Christ. Some believe Obama is the Anti-Christ.

    Some believe that celibacy is appropriate for certain people, or for certain people or positions. As we read about each day, this unnatural practice continues to cause problems for the religious institutions that advise/employ it. Many of the people from these same institutions advocate against abortion, but pretend not to understand the realistic benefit of the morning after pill or even basic contraception; their unrealistic wishful thinking is causing the death of many at the hands of disease.

    In the U.S. recently we learned of the head of Lutheran CMS chastising a minister of that church for participating in a joint service for the victims of the Newtown school shooting.

    Conflicted right from the very beginning, Christianity continues to splinter and create more extreme divisions as time goes by, constantly subjecting others in its crossfire.

    April 11, 2013 at 12:30 pm |
    • Salero21

      😀 😀 So... you want to make us believe that you actually counted the 40,000? Really, really you're by far a whole lot more stupid than I previously though! Looks like the Frustrated rants of some Frustrated Roman Catholic Idolater.

      April 11, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
    • Over 40,000 denominations of insanity

      It's *over* 40,000, Salero21 – look it up!

      April 11, 2013 at 12:40 pm |
    • Over 40,000 denominations of insanity

      WOW – lol – Salero21 says "Looks like the Frustrated rants of some Frustrated Roman Catholic Idolater."

      Looks like someone didn't read much of the post. Lol.

      April 11, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
    • Salero21

      So you still insist on making us believe that you actually counted over 40,000! Really, bring some other story I don't believe you can count past 10!

      April 11, 2013 at 12:54 pm |
    • Salero21

      No, I don't read stupid rants from stupid atheists/idolaters.

      April 11, 2013 at 12:55 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      salero
      Atheists have no idols and are not idolaters. You again are mis-using the language.

      April 11, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
    • Salero21

      @ Empty Cranium,

      Learn to read you moron I did not say you dumb atheists are idolaters. However for any practical purpose they are about the same, almost the same. In my initial post below is quite clear, if is not in this one.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:04 pm |
    • WOW

      " As there are reported to be approximately 41,000 Christian denominations,[2]"

      [2] – Appendix B: Methodology for Estimating Christian Movements, "Global Christianity: A Report on the Size and Distribution of the World's Christian Population", The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, December 19, 2011.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:05 pm |
    • WOW

      @R Cranium – Salero21 seems to do a lot of "Sounds like" guess work. That must be the basis for its belief system.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:08 pm |
    • B Schmitt

      Sad isn't it. But the good news is that we are all believe in Jesus Christ. Isn't it amazing how many of us believe in Jesus!

      April 11, 2013 at 2:35 pm |
    • WOW

      "But the good news is that we are all believe in Jesus Christ."

      So when did you you give up on school, BS?

      April 11, 2013 at 4:36 pm |
    • B Schmitt

      WOW, you're too funny 🙂

      April 11, 2013 at 4:52 pm |
  5. B Schmitt

    Communist Russia and Cuba successfully eliminated religion, but now fastest growing Christian churches are in Russia, Cuba, China. The Africa, have also embraced Christianity.

    April 11, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
    • Tachyon

      Neither Russia (or USSR) nor cuba successfully ended religion. They officially banned religion, but the people continued to believe and still worshipped as best they could.

      April 11, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
    • Saraswati

      The problem is in ever having a state enforced belief system. It can be every bit as silly to have state imposed atheism as state imposed religion.

      Btw, the fasted DECREASES in religiosity has been seen in some of the secular European and Asian countries. Secular – not atheist. Big difference.

      April 11, 2013 at 12:43 pm |
  6. B Schmitt

    Check out the increasing number of Russians, Cubans, Mainland Chinese are going back to the Christian Church (Catholic, Orthodox). Christianity will survive; no matter what as it has been for 2000 years. Christianity will evolve but the teachings of Jesus Christ will last forever. Christianity will be around, no matter how much money Atheist spends foolishly attacking people who believes in GOD.

    April 11, 2013 at 12:26 pm |
    • Red Dwarf

      You believe in God. I don't. Christianity has spent billions and billions of dollars promoting their faith through the last 2000 years. Infact just in the last few decades the Catholic Church has spent over $6 billion paying off victims of it's own abuse. A handful of atheists have spent a small amount of money of billboards to remind you guys that you are full of shlt and to let other atheists out there know that they are not the only ones rejecting ancient mythologies and deciding to take responsibility for ourselves. I'd say thats a pretty good investment compared to the money spent by Christianity attempting to obfuscate the truth.

      April 11, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
    • Saraswati

      The overall percent of Christians has dropped by about 2% in the last hundred years – but by over 50% among developed western countries where it dominated. The only places it's growing are in poor uneducated developing countries, and the only hope the church has of remaining significant is to keep those countries that way.

      April 11, 2013 at 12:45 pm |
  7. Salero21

    OK Idolaters... oops I meant atheists... which for any practical purpose are almost the same. Here I'am again, ready to stomp and trample on your foolish so called un-belief. Which in "reality" is nothing more than stupidity in full bloom.

    I mean; how can anyone "believe" that everything came up out of nothing all by itself? Yeah, like if one previously non-existent particle of matter came into being and started creating other particles out of Its own power. That's the most stupid set of beliefs the Created by God world has ever heard.

    Or that man "evolved" from some ape ancestor creature. Maybe you all are descendants from some ape parent, but not me your morons.

    April 11, 2013 at 12:18 pm |
    • Salero21

      Atheists start barking, howling, screeching and squealing, because Jesus said so are you.

      April 11, 2013 at 12:26 pm |
    • The Higgs-boson Particle

      Yes, this is me you are speaking about! I came into being by my own self out of nothing and by my own POWERFUL POWER, I ordered all things. ALL by own little self. So stop talking against me, or my Wrath will strike you faster than the speed of light.

      April 11, 2013 at 12:32 pm |
    • Salero21

      God Created you!

      April 11, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
    • Nah

      Nah – Where'd you get that idea, Sal21?

      April 11, 2013 at 12:36 pm |
    • Tachyon

      Get over it Higgs-Boson....I always travel faster than light, and you can't.

      April 11, 2013 at 12:36 pm |
    • Red Dwarf

      Then who created your God if as you say nothing can come from nothing?

      Either admit that it's as plausible to have an eternal universe in one form or another that we can only trace back to the big bang or accept that it's just as implausable to have an eternal God that has always existed as it is an eternal universe. You cannot have it both ways.

      April 11, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
    • The Higgs-boson Particle

      @ tackyon,

      WHAAAT!! How dare you defy me like this in front of my subjects? You will be stricken out of your miserable existence by my MIGHTY POWERFUL POWER!

      April 11, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
    • Tachyon

      Good luck trying to catch me Higgs...slowpoke.

      April 11, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
    • Red Dwarf

      "Maybe you all are descendants from some ape parent, but not me your morons."

      I assume you must know this because you can trace your lineage back to the first humans? No? How about even 4 generations. No? How about the first name of your great great great grandfather? No? You don't know dick about the last couple hundred years of where you came from let alone the last few hundred thousand. Your flawed book claims humanity is a mere few thousand years old while actual evidence from cave art to DNA show humans origins are much much older by a factor of 10. Go back to school, learn about your real history, not just "His Story".

      April 11, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
    • S p o o k y Action at a Distance

      Caught ya Tachyon!!

      April 11, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
    • Salero21

      @ Red Barf,

      An eternal universe that began at the "Big Bang"! Then, if it "began" at some point it cannot be "eternal". Can you possibly realize one day how Super stupid that sounds?

      April 11, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
    • Tachyon

      Sp00ky...did you catch me...check again... I'm still hyp0the!ical.

      April 11, 2013 at 12:54 pm |
    • Salero21

      The Big Bang Facts are GOD Spoke and BAANG it happen! Now, take that you silly atheists!

      April 11, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
    • Red Dwarf

      Hi less than educated Salero. As you'll notice I did not say "began" anywhere in my post. I said "that we can only trace back to the big bang" meaning our method of investigation is limited so at this time we are unable to trace the roots of the big bang any further back thatn that moment. However, that does not preclude it from existing in some form prior to the big bang, possible in some dark matter state that then exploded into our dimension like a pimple being popped.

      Oh, and this super stupid guy has not only read the bible cover to cover at least 4 times in my life but also graduated from MIT with honors and work as an electrical engineer. Sad when the only refuge of the weak minded is to call other people they are afraid of names.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:00 pm |
    • Red Dwarf

      I'd like to see what grade you got on your thesis that included "The Big Bang Facts are GOD Spoke and BAANG it happen! Now, take that you silly atheists!" Or did they let the door hit you on the way out before you decided to head to Liberty University where they don't mind making up whatever bullshlt they need to fill the glaring holes in their God theory.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:04 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      S21
      You claim god spoke and bang.

      How could god speak, there was no air with which to draw breath, no matter to carry the soundwaves. Why would he speak, when language would be un-necessary for an omniscient and omnipotent deity.

      You bible makes me laugh.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:07 pm |
    • Salero21

      @ Red Barf,

      So... you may be the proverbial a$$ with a Diploma. Big deal! Here, there is nothing you can do about it with that. So go get a real Life and a Real Job with your MIT "education". Which evidently is not serving you for much, if you have to loose with a less educated than you like me. See how you can be the proverbial a$$ with a Diploma.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:09 pm |
    • Red Dwarf

      Oh and i'm still waiting on the name of your great great great grandfather. Mine was Edward from PA. Just admit it Salero, you don't know crap about where you came from and havn't the foggiest as to where you are going. Like a turd in the sewer you simply slide along a predetermined path of poop not ever wanting to question why and how you came to believe what you believe, but the fact is that there is only one destination for you and it is neither a fiery torment or eternal bliss, it's the bottom of an outhouse in the cycle of life.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:10 pm |
    • Salero21

      @ Red Barf,

      Always speaking about yourself huh! So... besides being an a$$ with a Diploma you're an egomaniac.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:13 pm |
    • Red Dwarf

      "if you have to loose with a less educated than you like me."

      Logic and reason were the only things "loosed" on you. To bad logic and reason make you "lose" your composure and you start gnashing your teeth and getting angry at the "smarty professor man" making fun of you.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
    • Red Dwarf

      I'am a BIG A$$ with a Diploma from MIT! My a$$ are as big as Tractor tires!

      April 11, 2013 at 1:16 pm |
    • Salero21

      @ Red Barf,

      Always speaking about yourself huh! Are you looking at yourself in the mirror?

      April 11, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
    • Sue

      Salero21, I would be pleased if it were true that you and I do not share a common lineage.

      Unfortunately, evidence and reason indicate otherwise, and they contradict your supersti-tions.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
    • Salero21

      By the way, that was me pretending to be you Red Dwarf because I have no valid argument and can only act like a 3rd grade child when faced with actual logic and reason.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:21 pm |
    • Salero21

      Proven without a doubt! These self proclaimed atheists are nothing more than trailer park! They come to this blog to sing their shrill hymns of contempt, bark like dogs, howl like wolves, screech like monkeys and squeal like swine.

      That's because without faith and love for God, mankind descends below the level of wild animals.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
    • WOW

      Well you do act like a 3rd grade child, Salero21 because there is a lot of screaming, but nothing to support what you are screaming about. So why don't you try being an adult and explain this from your header post:

      "I mean; how can anyone "believe" that everything came up out of nothing all by itself? Yeah, like if one previously non-existent particle of matter came into being and started creating other particles out of Its own power. That's the most stupid set of beliefs the Created by God world has ever heard. Or that man "evolved" from some ape ancestor creature. Maybe you all are descendants from some ape parent, but not me your morons."

      What leads you to believe someone thinks this way? Even if they did, why is it incorrect? What facts can you share?

      April 11, 2013 at 1:31 pm |
    • Salero21

      Although some are like an A$$ with a Diploma like Red Vile Barf. Who can trace his ancestry to his great grand the original ape ancestor.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:32 pm |
    • WOW

      "Proven without a doubt!"

      Wow – Salero21 – what proof?

      April 11, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
    • WOW

      So Salero21, when did you decide school was just too tough for you?

      April 11, 2013 at 1:34 pm |
    • The Higgs-boson Particle

      You are ALL DOOM for not believing in ME, THE Great Particle that gave Birth to everything there is in existence.

      April 11, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
    • Salero21

      Oh WOW, it looks like we have another a$$ with a Diploma who thinks he/she/it knows it all! So.. what are the Fact that this other A$$ with a Diploma brings to the table. Well he brings... a belief in non-believe!

      April 11, 2013 at 1:40 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Sal
      Everyone can trcae their ancestors all the way back to the first life on the planet. It is written in your DNA.

      April 11, 2013 at 4:04 pm |
    • faith

      it requires tons of blind "faith" to believe in the atheist nogod.

      May 2, 2013 at 5:54 pm |
  8. B Schmitt

    How about he spends all that money helping others instead of attacking people of faith. He obviously doesn't have his priority straigth! This guy is full of hate! It is not the belief in GOD that makes a cruel world, it is faithless people who care about anyone else but themselves. GOD IS LOVE.

    April 11, 2013 at 11:47 am |
    • Chuckles

      Spending money to fight against theocracy is not hateful and it is helping people.

      April 11, 2013 at 11:51 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      Schmitt
      Why doesn't the RCC do more, they have real estate alone worth 7.6 Billion dollars.

      Now I expect Dill Beacon to try to come to the rescue of the RCC explainiing how they spend huge amounts of money providing medicine for AIDS and HIV positive people. But they could do a lot more by allowing the use of prophylactics to PREVENT disease rather than treating after the fact.

      April 11, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
    • Red Dwarf

      How about spending half the time and money already spent on "Loving God" by loving others instead. We would live in a much better world, that is for sure.

      April 11, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
  9. faith

    "clarity
    You seem to be the one, dear, who is confused when conversing with someone who considers the possibility of Jesus as a real historical figure, a main character in the Bible, separately from considering the possibility of Christ, the Jesus character with all of the supernatural characteristics that Christianity attributes to the Jesus character of the Bible. Think about it–maybe when you are sober."

    don't patronize christians

    April 11, 2013 at 8:00 am |
    • Austin

      John 16: But when he, 30 the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide 31 you into all truth. 32 For he will not speak on his own authority, 33 but will speak whatever he hears, and will tell you 34 what is to come. 35 16:14 He 36 will glorify me, 37 because he will receive 38 from me what is mine 39 and will tell it to you. 40 16:15 Everything that the Father has is mine; that is why I said the Spirit 41 will receive from me what is mine 42 and will tell it to you.

      April 11, 2013 at 8:07 am |
  10. Salero21

    OK atheists last chance of the day to bark, howl, screech and squeal. Atheism is stupidity in full bloom if stupidity can bloom.

    April 10, 2013 at 10:24 pm |
    • Quest ion

      OK,

      So why do atheists screech?

      Why do atheists howl?

      Why do atheists bark?

      Why do they squeal?

      Please inform!

      April 10, 2013 at 11:00 pm |
    • Salero21

      They bark, howl and squeal because Jesus said so! In a figurative metaphorical way of course. They screech because many if not most of them believe themselves to be descendants of some sort of ape. If so then they screech!

      April 10, 2013 at 11:04 pm |
    • the real Tom

      Isn't it sad when you have to talk to yourself, Salero/Quest?
      Obvious troll is obvious.

      April 10, 2013 at 11:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Salero21 is actually an African grey parrot that is extremely clever at assembling phrases into near-meaningful sentences. It does so for little chunks of oranges and colorful peppers.

      April 10, 2013 at 11:20 pm |
    • Salero21

      Speaking about yourself again Tom?

      April 11, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
    • Nah

      Nah – I'm pretty sure Tom was talking about you, Sal21.

      April 11, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
  11. faith

    "Do you have any clue where the heart, became a decision making organ?" broadway and seventh ave

    April 10, 2013 at 9:54 pm |
    • faith

      "contained in those writings – the miracles, Jesus' life, what he said along with what the Apostle's said" dottie

      "the validity of the gospels in terms of the supernatural Jesus versus Jesus, the plain man..."

      you question the validity of the miraculous christ?

      "could he have existed, but without the supernatural...?" of course not

      April 10, 2013 at 10:03 pm |
    • laststonecarver

      @faith,
      It is not christian of you, to make fun of retarded citizens –

      April 11, 2013 at 6:12 am |
  12. faith

    "we need to take a look at the Gospels. I mean look how much is contained in those writings – the miracles, Jesus' life, what he said along with what the Apostle's said – so there's really a lot riding on the validity of the gospels in terms of the supernatural Jesus versus Jesus, the plain man," dorothy as usual

    where do you read about him being a plain man?

    April 10, 2013 at 9:26 pm |
    • clarity

      The point being – could he have existed, but without the supernatural characteristics and miracle events normally associated with him via the Gospel writings. Lay off the booze for a moment faith and think.

      April 10, 2013 at 9:30 pm |
    • clarity

      why do you keep calling people dorothy – or are you calling some thing dorothy?

      April 10, 2013 at 9:34 pm |
    • faith

      you actually considered that there was a possibility, however slight, that jesus christ actually existed?

      besides the obvious, are there other things wrong with you, honey?

      April 10, 2013 at 10:07 pm |
    • clarity

      You seem to be the one, dear, who is confused when conversing with someone who considers the possibility of Jesus as a real historical figure, a main character in the Bible, separately from considering the possibility of Christ, the Jesus character with all of the supernatural characteristics that Christianity attributes to the Jesus character of the Bible. Think about it–maybe when you are sober.

      April 10, 2013 at 10:22 pm |
  13. Salero21

    OK atheists here I'am again to stomp and trample on your "belief" on non-belief. Let me tell, that's as nonsensical as it gets. Then you all start barking, growling, howling, screeching and squealing if I tell you that atheism is Stupidity in full bloom. Even though I tell you that in Love. I'm just informing you, so that you be aware of it.

    April 10, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Salero

      Keep trying to make yourself out to be "loving". My 4 year old can see your posts for the hateful, moronic bile that they are.
      Keep going, you make a wonderful case for atheism with every single one of your posts.

      April 10, 2013 at 2:54 pm |
    • clarity

      Well before you get to that I think it's best you investigate Christianity a bit more. You still haven't quite got for me that answer on who authored the gospels, Salero21.

      April 10, 2013 at 3:03 pm |
    • Salero21

      @Fuzzy "Clarity",

      mmm... how strange is that! I'm sure that question was made under other nicknames. I can't find the page neither I remember who was asking the same under two different nicks. So Fuzzy "Clarity"; Do you suffer from multiple personality disorder?

      April 10, 2013 at 4:05 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Salero
      So you are saying it is stupid to not believe in god....which one...no matter what you do not believe in thousands of gods.

      So you believe in your one god, but disregard the other thousands...so you are 99.99% atheist...I have just gone one more god than you.

      April 10, 2013 at 4:10 pm |
    • laststonecarver

      @Salero21,
      here is a refresher –

      Salero21
      No doubt about it! Atheist are like the proverbial monkeys in a barrel.
      April 8, 2013 at 4:57 pm | Report abuse | Reply
      clarity
      Well, since you refuse to discuss your beliefs, Salero – maybe I can throw up a video and you could discuss that – how would that work out? Here goes...
      April 8, 2013 at 5:02 pm | Report abuse |
      The real Tom
      Maybe you should give him a map and a flashlight, clarity. Then hand him his ass and see if he can find it.
      April 8, 2013 at 5:04 pm | Report abuse |
      His panic
      @Fuzzed clarity,
      How about answer and/or refute my post below first you fool!
      April 8, 2013 at 5:12 pm | Report abuse |
      clarity
      Where was your question – His panic? When?
      April 8, 2013 at 5:20 pm | Report abuse |
      Salero21
      @Fussy clarity,
      I think he mistype my instead of his, but is a good question, yeah; how about trying to answer my post about ALL of the TRANSFORMATION processes that are intrinsically part of Creation as a whole? Those processes that foolish atheists and Idolaters confuse all the time with the so called "Evolution".
      April 8, 2013 at 5:54 pm | Report abuse |
      clarity
      "he mistype"
      Who is he? What are you blabbing about?
      April 8, 2013 at 6:42 pm | Report abuse |
      Kilto
      clarity is a fool as well. Ask her what she believes in and she can't give you a straight answer.
      April 8, 2013 at 6:44 pm | Report abuse |

      April 10, 2013 at 4:15 pm |
    • laststonecarver

      page 70 –

      April 10, 2013 at 4:17 pm |
    • the real Tom

      Salero, why are you capitalizing "stupidity"? Is it your middle name? If not, there's no reason to use a capital letter, unless the word begins the sentence.

      Talk about stupid.

      April 10, 2013 at 6:38 pm |
    • Science

      Hey Salero21 and Vic read you were looking for this !................ Now the question is can you read ?

      Atheist Prof. Peter Higgs: Stop calling Higgs boson the ‘God particle’

      Professor Peter Higgs said recently that there is no God and so people should stop referring to the theoretical partial that
      bears his name as the “God particle.”

      http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/08/atheist-prof-peter-higgs-stop-calling-higgs-bosen-the-god-particle/

      April 10, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
    • the real Tom

      Well, I guess Kilto is still looking for our posts "bashing" Warren and Christianity and blaming one or the other. He'll have to fabricate some, because I have nothing but sympathy for Warren and his family and I don't blame religious belief for the son's suicide.

      Nice fail, Kilto.

      April 10, 2013 at 9:43 pm |
  14. Stephen Hawking is an Idiot

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he32vwlKQPY&w=640&h=390]

    April 10, 2013 at 1:34 pm |
    • clarity

      OK, there's a moniker and some music – is that all you have? What are you hiding?

      April 10, 2013 at 1:44 pm |
    • Kilto

      @ Clarity What are you afraid of? Finding out the truth that there is a God.

      April 10, 2013 at 6:32 pm |
    • the real Tom

      Kilto, why would anyone be afraid, especially since you have been completely unable to show any evidence for the existence of any god at all. You're really not doing much to further your cause.

      April 10, 2013 at 6:36 pm |
    • clarity

      Not afraid of that, Kilto. I stay vigilant, of course, to make sure separation of church and state is upheld, but beyond that, not very many worries at all, Kilto.

      April 10, 2013 at 6:37 pm |
    • Kilto

      So then....what are Atheists? How are they any different from an Agnostic? Care to explain....

      April 10, 2013 at 6:45 pm |
    • the real Tom

      What's wrong with you? Can't you manage to look up words, Kilto?

      April 10, 2013 at 6:47 pm |
    • Kilto

      I thought you were Atheists? Who better to tell me then an actual Atheist? Can you even answer the question?

      April 10, 2013 at 6:49 pm |
    • the real Tom

      I never claimed to be an atheist (it's not capitalized, doofus).

      If you want to know what one is, look it up.

      April 10, 2013 at 6:51 pm |
    • Kilto

      I don't think you know...

      April 10, 2013 at 7:02 pm |
    • the real Tom

      Put a period after the word "think" and you'll be right on target, Cletus.

      April 10, 2013 at 7:03 pm |
    • Kilto

      I'm just giving you idiots a taste of your own medicine. At least, I answer the questions.

      April 10, 2013 at 7:08 pm |
    • the real Tom

      No, you don't.

      You don't know the answers. You're just a troll.

      April 10, 2013 at 7:11 pm |
    • Kilto

      How so exactly? so why are you and people like Clarity bashing every christian article you come across? Why do you give a hoot? When Pastor Rick Warren's son died I was appalled by the number of Atheist freaks who bad mouthed his death in the comments section.

      April 10, 2013 at 7:29 pm |
    • clarity

      Did you see my name there bashing anyone, Kilto? How about Tom's? Generalize much?

      April 10, 2013 at 8:01 pm |
    • the real Tom

      Posted in the wrong spot: Well, I guess Kilto is still looking for our posts "bashing" Warren and Christianity and blaming one or the other. He'll have to fabricate some, because I have nothing but sympathy for Warren and his family and I don't blame religious belief for the son's suicide.

      Nice fail, Kilto. Azzhole.

      April 10, 2013 at 9:44 pm |
  15. faith

    Saraswati
    I've heard heroin addicts saying exactly the same thing. This is the Christian version of "If it feels good do it".

    there. we r busted. feel better?

    April 10, 2013 at 12:31 pm |
    • laststonecarver

      i think i saw your environment smile...
      That is good...

      April 10, 2013 at 1:50 pm |
  16. guest

    @ Susan StoHelit:(From yesterday) Yes, I really believe that if it were not for Christ coming into my life I would probably have ended up in prison at some time. I was a renegade, a thief, a liar, a real rebel against the law. I thought I was smarter than the law: I was headed down the wrong road. I knew about God as a child; my mother was a Christian. At the age of 14 I found the love of Christ and accepted Christ into my heart. No, God will not “make me” do good, no one will, God, it is a God given choice. I do good because of the love of Jesus in me, not because of the threats of God, but the love of God.
    And, if you read all my post, I did say that there are atheists that are good people, so far as the world is concerned. There are many atheists who love people and do good things for the community. But, just because a person is ‘good’ does not mean that he/she has Jesus in the heart. One wise person said: (speaking of church goers) “…not one person in 20 is ready for translation [saved]”. This person meant that although there are many who think they are Christians, they are not. Do you look at the consequences of sin as the threats of God? If so, you are wrong. God loves you! Do you know what love is, can you define it? Most people mistake passion for love.

    April 10, 2013 at 9:58 am |
    • laststonecarver

      @guest,
      Do you know what love is, can you define it? Most people mistake passion for love.
      – I am not a Susan, but I know, and am not confused –
      – Love is the thinking of understanding – a continuity between two or more ent-ities –
      – All the thoughts of the thinking of knowing, both the good and bad thoughts –
      – These thoughts are expressed physically, through the senses –
      – So how does your god smell, or taste, or feel, or hear, or see?
      – And how do you sense your god?

      April 10, 2013 at 10:37 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @guest
      Love is the condition where another person's happiness is necessary for one's own.
      True love is not jealous.
      Jealousy is God's primary characteristic.

      Many people are "rebels against the law" in their youth.
      I was arrested several times as a teenager. Like all kids, I was arrogant and just like you, thought I was smarter than "the system". By the time I was 19, I had been to over a dozen of my friends' funerals and was likely going to join them if I didn't make a change.
      I chose to leave town, go back to school, get sober and quit being a destructive little sh1t without ever considering religion as a means to do so. God didn't help me at all – it was my own hard work and the support of a loving family.

      It's great that you found some balance through religion, but that path is not for everyone.

      April 10, 2013 at 10:55 am |
    • biggles

      Dottie almost made it. Keep trying cutie.

      April 10, 2013 at 11:48 am |
  17. STLBroker

    A fool says in his heart that there is no God.

    April 10, 2013 at 9:25 am |
    • Billy

      which god?

      April 10, 2013 at 9:50 am |
    • laststonecarver

      @STLBroker
      A fool says in his heart that there is no God –

      – Do you have any clue where the heart, became a decision making organ?
      – Check Ancient Egypt hieroglyphs for a start, particularly the Weighing of the Heart –
      – In the pictograph, on a scales, is a heart weighed equal to a feather – the feather equals truth
      – the heart being a decision making process (a conscience), which equals truth –
      – How does a conscience equal truth?

      – A fool is a silly or stupid person; a person who lacks judgment or sense.
      – A fool could never say anything in his/her heart –

      April 10, 2013 at 10:03 am |
    • sam stone

      The fools are those who feel they speak for god

      April 10, 2013 at 10:03 am |
    • biggles

      Dear billy, larry

      April 10, 2013 at 11:50 am |
  18. biggles

    Tain't that somthum! Atheists knows all about the xian's god cause many were reborners b4 they saw the lite. Not true, as usual, they lie. No's how 2 tell?

    Not one of them mentions his love. If you find god, you know love in a way u never thought possible. All them heathen insult god for a 1,001 reasons, and never mention fall in in love with him. A christian has been in love with Jesus. Nothing is the same after being in love with him.

    April 10, 2013 at 8:28 am |
    • laststonecarver

      @biggles,
      Why is your god male?
      Who told you that?
      Why is it important to love a god?

      April 10, 2013 at 8:43 am |
    • clarity

      You think you can tell how someone used to experience their belief before they wised up to the holes in religion – just because they now don't mention here how they used to feel about it? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? In addition, I think you've not paid very close attention to some of the atheist/non-religious posters, who have in fact expressed themselves about their earlier religious beliefs.

      April 10, 2013 at 8:46 am |
    • faith

      don't be a stupid punk

      y don't u love him?

      do not answer me

      April 10, 2013 at 8:48 am |
    • faith

      "clarity
      You think you can tell how someone used to experience their belief before they wised up to the holes in religion – just because they now don't mention here how they used to feel about it? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? In addition, I think you've not paid very close attention to some of the atheist/non-religious posters, who have in fact expressed themselves about their earlier religious beliefs."

      don't even try it

      get on your knees and beg for mercy

      u r an ass hole

      April 10, 2013 at 8:50 am |
    • faith

      they r so stupid.

      why is it important to enjoy a sunset?

      y is it awesome top watch your child born?

      y enjoy beautiful music

      ask ur god, lucifer

      April 10, 2013 at 8:54 am |
    • Saraswati

      I've heard heroin addicts saying exactly the same thing. This is the Christian version of "If it feels good do it".

      April 10, 2013 at 9:01 am |
    • John

      I agree with biggles and faith. If they had loved Jesus, they would have believed him and would not have left him. They would have done what they could for him, and told others about him so they could love him too.

      April 10, 2013 at 9:04 am |
    • clarity

      Agreed Saraswati. I think "faith" here fancies her/himself some kind of poet; lol. But it's threats, baseless excuses and cries are more like that of a drunkard.

      April 10, 2013 at 9:09 am |
    • laststonecarver

      @faith/biggles (and the others that you call yourself)
      Your words describe you?
      Calling people names, and in the same string of mottled English, calling yourself a christian, does not hold truth –
      You love yourself?, check the mirror, you are all around you.
      Read what 'you' write for a change, try some deliberation.
      You love a jesus god, and all others, as yourself, right?
      So since i discern animosity for atheists in your diatribes, the previous answer would be, that you do not love him –
      per you words –

      April 10, 2013 at 9:17 am |
    • John

      None of you atheist people on here ever loved Jesus, biggles is right in saying that. You would have been crying tears of joy and never would have left, and you would have known why, not just a feeling, but why you never want to leave him.

      April 10, 2013 at 9:26 am |
    • clarity

      So John, you seem to be able to read minds past and present. That's an interesting ability. I'm thinking you might have some other powers that might help us get to the bottom of some all-important questions. For instance, to believe in Christ versus just Jesus the man, we need to firm up what we know about the Bible. So let's start with the gospels. Let's start with you telling me exactly who wrote them. Who knows, maybe you can convince me to come back to the church.

      April 10, 2013 at 9:31 am |
    • John

      C, who do you think wrote the gospels? It's what you think that will determines where you're going to go.

      April 10, 2013 at 9:35 am |
    • biggles

      Dottie, u r so cute!

      April 10, 2013 at 9:39 am |
    • clarity

      Well John, I think you and faith and biggles here mention Jesus, so I'm going to assume you are all Christians. So, at the root of that belief system, before we get into Paul and later developments in the church, we need to take a look at the Gospels. I mean look how much is contained in those writings – the miracles, Jesus' life, what he said along with what the Apostle's said – so there's really a lot riding on the validity of the gospels in terms of the supernatural Jesus versus Jesus, the plain man, wouldn't you agree? So, John, to start looking at the validity of those writings, let's take a look at their authorship. Tell us what you know about that John – maybe there are some things that us atheists have missed.

      April 10, 2013 at 9:47 am |
    • faith

      "clarity
      Well John, I think you and faith and biggles here mention Jesus, so I'm going to assume you are all Christians. So, at the root of that belief system, before we get into Paul and later developments in the church, we need to take a look at the Gospels. I mean look how much is contained in those writings – the miracles, Jesus' life, what he said along with what the Apostle's said – so there's really a lot riding on the validity of the gospels in terms of the supernatural Jesus versus Jesus, the plain man, wouldn't you agree? So, John, to start looking at the validity of those writings, let's take a look at their authorship. Tell us what you know about that John – maybe there are some things that us atheists have missed."

      lol

      April 10, 2013 at 9:52 am |
    • clarity

      You should lay off the sauce, faith, and join in and help John figure this out.

      April 10, 2013 at 9:57 am |
    • John

      C, imagine you're walking up to a crowd and people there are cheering, and a man there named Jesus is walking away after telling them their faith has made them whole. One person is crying and jumping around estatic and you ask what happened, people around you say to look at him, he can see... and you say, "so? I can see too". Now add ~2000 years and you're reading this on a blog, thinking of what to tell everyone that you would have told them then.

      April 10, 2013 at 10:40 am |
    • laststonecarver

      @faith
      they r so stupid.
      why is it important to enjoy a sunset?
      y is it awesome top watch your child born?
      y enjoy beautiful music
      ask ur god, lucifer
      April 10, 2013 at 8:54 am | Report abuse |

      – The sunset, the birth of a child, the beautiful music, ALL environmental factors –
      – It is good to see that you agree with me – You name the environment as god –

      As for ur god – Ur a city in ancient Sumer
      It is mentioned in the Bible (as Ur of the Chaldees) as the early home of Hebrew patriarch Abraham (c. 2000 BC).

      April 10, 2013 at 10:55 am |
    • clarity

      Yes John, I can see how that would be an interesting story. Now, back to the authorship of the Gospels – can you enlighten us on that? What do we actually know about it? What kind of agreement is there among scholars as to who authored these writings?

      April 10, 2013 at 11:08 am |
    • Stephen Hawking is an Idiot

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut-UOhY0s8E&w=640&h=390]

      April 10, 2013 at 2:35 pm |
    • clarity

      And the video above is supposed to prove Christianity?? LOL.

      April 10, 2013 at 2:58 pm |
    • Science

      Enjoy biggles how is dorothy ?

      Richard Dawkins Destroys The 10 Commandments

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoNqSrA7Mos&w=640&h=390]

      April 10, 2013 at 4:23 pm |
    • John

      C, they were truthful.

      April 10, 2013 at 6:21 pm |
    • Kilto

      Richard Dawkins is a gigantic fool. He hasn't disproved anything.

      April 10, 2013 at 6:29 pm |
  19. laststonecarver

    Every living creatures requires a particular environment to sustain life –
    Our environments create us – some believe the creator is a god –
    Early men/women were mystified by the power of Nature – Nature being part of their environment –
    Nature does provide life, and certainly can take lives –
    Some os these hominids were able to sustain life in continuity with their environment –
    The continuity with environment is the soul –
    For some of the hominids the continuity was lost – they lost their soul – they lost the continuity to their creator, The Environment –
    Some believe the soul does not exist –
    Some believe the soul is a religious ent-ity – religion tried to usurp the soul, but the humans who did so, never understood the soul concept – they still don't –
    What is continuity with environment?
    Do you feel empowered/enabled at your desk, or on a battlefield, at home, or on your boat, or where ever?
    What continuity do you have with your environment?
    What is your soul?

    April 10, 2013 at 7:55 am |
    • Stephen Hawking is an Idiot

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU5qgQPPRUM&w=640&h=390]

      April 10, 2013 at 2:44 pm |
    • laststonecarver

      @SHiai
      Stephen Hawking may be an idiot –
      But you have used his name, and your attempt at transmogrification, has surely been successful in attaining the personification that you see in him.

      April 10, 2013 at 3:01 pm |
  20. Andrew

    Another preachy athiest... what a shocker

    April 10, 2013 at 3:06 am |
    • ckucsera

      Preachy?!? Until athiests start knocking on doors to tell people the good news that "you don't have to be a slave to Iron Age beliefs" you can't really call us preachy.

      CK

      April 10, 2013 at 8:38 am |
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