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Who is on God's side of the marriage debate?
March 25th, 2013
11:00 PM ET

Who is on God's side of the marriage debate?

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) – As the Supreme Court considers two major same-sex marriage cases that could change marriage in the United States, religious leaders on both sides of the debate believe they are on God's side of the contentious issue.

In the months leading up to this week's Supreme Court hearings, religious leaders from across the country have held prayer vigils and rallies for their respective causes.

At each event, even those with diametrically opposed views, leaders cite biblical principles as the foundation for their beliefs.

"I believe I am on God's side," Dr. Richard Land, president of The Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission and and opponent of same-sex marriage, told CNN. "I have no question in what God says marriage is."

"I do think we are on God's side because my idea of God is someone that is loving," said the Rev. Gary Hall, dean of the Washington National Cathedral and a proponent of same-sex marriage. "My understanding is that kind of God that loves everyone and wants everyone to live a joyful life."

This week, the Supreme Court will hear two cases. One will examine the constitutionality of Proposition 8, a law that prohibited same-sex marriage in California, and the other will test the Defense of Marriage Act, the 1996 legislation that forbids the recognition of same-sex marriages nationwide and bars married gay and lesbian couples from receiving federal benefits.

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Land and Hall each have actively worked on his side of this debate.

Hall, after taking the reins at the National Cathedral in 2012, decided to marry same-sex couples in the historic church. Land, who has counseled Republican presidents and members of Congress, has written and spoken at length about why same-sex marriage goes against biblical principles.

And although they both believe in the Bible, their opinions on how the text views same-sex marriage are shaped by their views on how literally to read the holy book.

"I come from a tradition that looks at the big story," said Hall, an Episcopalian. "The image of Jesus in the Bible is of someone who really makes everyone welcome, and it is from that perspective that I operate."

Hall acknowledges, however, that the Bible isn't the only guide for this belief.

"Our argument is not entirely scriptural-based," Hall said, after acknowledging passages of the holy book that define marriage as being between a man and a woman. "There is no place in the Bible that I can point to that says Jesus performed a same-sex marriage or anything like that."

In addition to scripture, Hall said, "tradition and reason" anchor his belief that same-sex couples should be allowed to wed. There are about 2 million Episcopalians in the United States.

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Land, on the other hand, cites the chapters and verses that guide his views on same-sex marriage.

"The people who take a more conservative view of the Bible and believe that they are under the authority of scripture almost universally oppose same-sex marriage," Land said about people who agree with him.

For Land, this view is not only consistent but  also roots his belief in "traditional values" and his disgust with "moral relativism."

Land, a Southern Baptist, continued: "The people who are religious and support same-sex marriage tend to take a Dalmatian view of scripture. They believe the Bible is divine in spots, and they think they can spot the spots."

If the Supreme Court decides in favor of same-sex marriage, Land said, the decision would be on par with the court's 1973 decision on Roe v. Wade, which affirmed a woman's right to an abortion.

"I think it will evoke a similar reaction," Land said.

Southern Baptists count 16 million members in the United States.

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This split over the biblical reasoning behind each side of the marriage debate extends beyond just Land and Hall, however. Churches around the country have been divided on the issue, with some choosing to allow same-sex marriage and others to forbid it.

The Rev. Jacqui Lewis, the senior minister at Middle Collegiate Church in New York who has worked with the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation on same-sex marriage, comes down in favor of same-sex marriage.

She uses the Bible - and civil rights - in her reasoning.

"I don't think that people who are supporting gay marriage need to distance themselves from the Bible in needing to find support," Lewis said. When asked about how the Bible anchors her beliefs, she cited Mark 12:31: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

On the other side of the argument is Robert Gagnon, a biblical scholar at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary who has worked with the Family Research Council on the issue.

"Only a woman is a true sexual compliment to a man and vice versa," said Gagnon, citing Genesis 1:27 and Genesis 2:24, along with the Gospels of Mark and Matthew, as the reasoning behind his view on same-sex marriage.

"That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh," reads Genesis 2:24.

As for how he feels about people such as Hall who use the Bible to defend their position in support of same-sex marriage: "You are rejecting Jesus himself. ... Just go ahead and make up your own religion."

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Gay marriage • Politics

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  1. Reality

    The greater question for the SCOTUS is "Does god exist?" .

    March 26, 2013 at 7:45 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      The only answer SCOTUS should have is It doesn't matter either way. Instead they have upheld unconst!tutional changes such as the lie on our money and the exclusionary phrase in the pledge of allegeance

      March 26, 2013 at 9:54 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      allegiance ...damn fat fiingers.

      March 26, 2013 at 9:56 am |
    • joey

      God calls two lying together an ABOMINATION. Enough of that. Believe God You wont be so bold on judgement day.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:26 pm |
    • joey

      G
      God calls two lying together an ABOMINATION. Enough of that. Believe God You wont be so bold on judgement day.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
    • End Religion

      yeah, yeah, we'll rue the day.... heard it all before, probably elsewhere on this very page, infant.

      March 26, 2013 at 1:01 pm |
    • Church of Suicidal

      Isn't eating shellfish also an abomination? Shouldn't you be lining up to stone some Red Lobster patrons about now?

      March 26, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
  2. guest

    For those who study the Bible they will know that these sort of things are just another sign of the end of time (read Matthew 24) when Christ will stand and declare that those who are righteous will be righteous still and those who are unrighteous will be unrighteous still (read Revelation 22:11).
    True, we should not just stand by and say nothing about the evil in this world. Even though this world is the territory of Satan and evil will abound, still God is in controll and He will let the fruit of evil fully ripen, i.e. wicked mankind will become worse– bad will be called good, and good will be called bad, and God's people, will suffer through sickness, pain and death which is the result of sin before He will put an end to it. Just be assured that evil will continue to grow worse before the end of time and then Christ will return. "Happy are those who will have washed their robes clean, so that they will have the right to feed on the tree of life...." Revelaton 22:14 (The Jeruslem Bible)
    Let God be the Judge!

    March 26, 2013 at 7:37 am |
    • midwest rail

      Men have been predicting the "end of time" since roughly 40 A.D. They were all wrong. So are you.

      March 26, 2013 at 7:39 am |
    • Reality

      "Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books".[30] Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he "considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." [31]

      Martin Luther once "found it an offensive piece of work" and John Calvin "had grave doubts about its value."[32]

      March 26, 2013 at 7:46 am |
    • guest

      Sorry, miwest rail, the end of time has been predicted much longer than 40AD, but it also predicts scoffers of the end of time: read 2nd Peter 3:3-6 You would fit in very well, but that is your choice.

      March 26, 2013 at 8:06 am |
    • Science

      guest

      God LOST the origin debate........................... so facts are.............. there is no god required to take sides !

      \Dover Trial Transcripts............................................. FACTS.

      Below are the complete transcripts from the Dover Trial. Thanks to our friends at the National Center for Science Education for helping us fill in the missing transcripts.

      http://www.aclupa.org/legal/legaldocket/intelligentdesigncase/dovertrialtranscripts.htm

      March 26, 2013 at 8:09 am |
    • midwest rail

      Of course it predicts scoffers, that's all part of the self-fulfilling nature of this kind of nonsense.

      March 26, 2013 at 8:16 am |
    • guest

      Reality, you may quote as many people as you wish, it will not empress me. There are just as many scholars who may be quoted in agreement to what was written but that would't empress you either. In fact, Reality, I very seldom read any of your posts because you copy and paste other people who do not empress me: i.e., Jefferson Thomas etc.

      March 26, 2013 at 8:17 am |
    • clarity

      John of Patmos (Revelation) was clearly a substance abuser. When challenged that the anonymous gospel writers plagiarized, all that several early Christian apologists could come up with as an excuse was that the devil had set up things in advance to look bad. They claimed that he disseminated the fake pagan stories to come before the "real" gospel stories. How about that – plagiarism in reverse courtesy of your neighborhood devil. They may have just as well had said "Don't look at that man behind the curtain, we are OZ!" wink wink

      Read about 'plagiarism in anticipation' (Justin Martyr and others).

      March 26, 2013 at 8:22 am |
    • clarity

      "empress"? You want Reality to make you an Empress?

      March 26, 2013 at 8:23 am |
    • guest

      No, Science, God did not lose the Dover trial, a man, not well equiped to argue the point (not that I could do any better except not to agree that somethings just evolved) lost the argument. I did not, nor do I intend to read the transcrips of the trial, it wouldn't prove anything to me. The real fact is: when there is a argument between evoution and creation it is all theory, nothing can be proven as fact. However, I do not believe that evoution should be taught as 'fact' but if, taught in schools, should be taught as it is, 'theory'. Every therory of science should began with somthinge like: It is believed...; it is thought...; it may seems as though... etc. This would be more honest teaching. (By the way, evolutionist don't even agree with oneanother.)
      But, if we would consider the real topic here, same-gender marriage, I believe the issue should really take into consideration the health concerns of this kind of union of marraige. I know that even if the court does not legalise this issue it will not terminate such dangerious behavior, but I do not believe government should condone it either.
      The health issue, (HIV) which I believe is the result of sin, is dangerious and, in the end, expensive, because of the high medical costs to the public in general. (I don't want to pay for such bad choice of behavior, do you?) Rather you chose to believe in God or not does not change those facts. (in end, insurance and tax monies pay for health care as a result of many such unions. You may choose to deny this also, but it won 't change facts.)

      March 26, 2013 at 9:31 am |
    • Saraswati

      @guest, Women who have only ever slept with other women have lower HIV rates than heterose xuals with the same number of partners, so I guess god considers heterose xuals more sinful.

      March 26, 2013 at 9:37 am |
    • guest

      You are right, clarity, I did use the wrong word, I entended ,impress. I think we all goof once in a while and I see it on this forum more than occasionly, I choose to ignore it.

      March 26, 2013 at 9:44 am |
    • Paul

      I have always been a big fan of people like guest, who never made it past the second grade. They are so very amusing.

      March 26, 2013 at 9:48 am |
    • Goodfella

      guest "Empress"
      You certainly sound like one. You can't be bothered with other knowledge because your closeted mind has no room for real debate. Hmmm, you sound a lot like the daily Christian apologists that post here, Chad/Rachel, L4H, Topher, fred, etc.

      March 26, 2013 at 9:49 am |
    • Saraswati

      It's great that the fundamentalist position is turning from "Never allow gay marriage!" to "Aw heck, of course we'll let it go...it's just the end of the world and is for god to judge." Nothing like the last words of defeat.

      March 26, 2013 at 9:52 am |
    • tom LI

      Blah, blah, blah...same old nonsense. You're on the long list of losers in these claims.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
    • UncleBenny

      @guest

      No, Science, God did not lose the Dover trial, a man, not well equiped to argue the point... lost the argument. I did not, nor do I intend to read the transcrips of the trial, it wouldn't prove anything to me. The real fact is: when there is a argument between evoution and creation it is all theory, nothing can be proven as fact.

      Great job of stating the ignorant basis of your opinions. The transcript wouldn't prove anything to you because your mind is closed. You probably also wouldn't bother to read a book like "Monkey Girl: Evolution, Education, Religion, and the Battle for America's Soul," which details the way in which ALL of the witnesses for the creationist side were demolished by the plaintiff's attorney. And how the conservative, Christian, Republican judge appointed by GW Bush found that intelligent design is not science at all but is entirely religion-based and therefore does not belong in schools. Or how the ID side was forced to admit that they have no actual theories whatsoever, just a whole litany of specious attacks on evelution.

      And by repeating the creationist mantra that evolution is "just a theory," you reveal your total ignorance of science AND the scientific meaning of the word theory. But you won't go look that up, either.

      March 26, 2013 at 1:50 pm |
  3. fernace

    Why are we discussing this? Almost every marriage in the bible, even the NT, is presented as bigamous/polygamous! God didn't seem to have a problem w/that! When social/religious culture decided marriage should be monogamous, God didn't have a problem w/that either! I just think God is above our petty arguements & this is a test to see if we can get through this w/out coming to blows! Then we can focus on real issues, like the masses of starving children in the world or why 50% of marriages end in divorce!!

    March 26, 2013 at 7:35 am |
    • midwest rail

      We're discussing it because the morally inconsistent hypocrites that typify contemporary Christianity insist on imposing their religious beliefs via civil legislation.

      March 26, 2013 at 7:38 am |
    • Dgerb1979

      Yeah, because Christians are the reason marriage (or however people defined unions) has ALWAYS been between a man and a woman. Not every single culture ever in the history of the world.

      March 26, 2013 at 3:14 pm |
    • Church of Suicidal

      Or one woman and her rapist. Or one man and multiple women (but not one woman and multiple men...that would CLEARLY be wrong).

      March 26, 2013 at 3:19 pm |
  4. Kebos

    God is a bunch of writings written by a bunch of folks that thought the starry night was a magical place where spirits dwelled. Please, enough with the antiquity. Time to advance civilization beyond those days of barbarism and simple mindedness.

    March 26, 2013 at 6:02 am |
    • biggles

      They were right, too!

      March 26, 2013 at 7:17 am |
  5. Realist

    **********

    The Christian god emanates from the EVILbible.com ...

    So thank goodness the Christian GODisIMAGINARY.com

    (please visit the above websites for more information and insight)

    **********
    **********

    March 26, 2013 at 4:37 am |
    • NiceTry

      Spoken like a true devil. Lucifer must be proud...

      March 26, 2013 at 5:00 am |
    • biggles

      There is no christian god. God is god. There isn't 47 gods or 16,122 gods. There is only one true god, by definition. When you see Jesus, you see god.

      Why didn't Jesus supply everyone with a lifetime of canned or salted foods, so they would never know hunger again? He wasn't very nice for forcing people to work for their necessities, you think?

      March 26, 2013 at 7:14 am |
    • biggles

      Take some courses on critical thinking and basic logic. God-haters have a habit of drawing all kinds of crazy conclusions that cannot be made based on their reasoning.

      March 26, 2013 at 7:20 am |
    • Realist

      Did any of you three visit the sites? I doubt it. BLINDED by faith!

      March 26, 2013 at 7:39 am |
    • the AnViL™

      biggles = bigot

      there is NO god.

      you are an idiot and should be sterilized.

      it is my sincere hope you have no contact with children – and if by chance you do – you should be restricted access to children immediately.

      tolerance of religious idiocy is coming to a swift end...

      enough is enough

      March 26, 2013 at 7:41 am |
  6. krhode

    well it is obvious the bible prohibits it....it's no secret.

    March 26, 2013 at 3:35 am |
    • sam stone

      Well, we know for certain that no one speaks for god more than iron age sheep molesters, eh?

      March 26, 2013 at 3:42 am |
    • Bob spelled backwards

      It's also no secret the Bible forbids eating pork, tattoos, shaving your beard, gossiping, children cursing parents, getting remarried, working on Sunday, women speaking in church, eating shellfish, a woman not being a virgin when she marries, and of course no men with damaged or removed genitals in church!

      And you are supposed to be killing the offender in a number of those.

      March 26, 2013 at 3:43 am |
    • NiceTry

      To "Bob spelled backwards"… It is also no secret you're using those scriptures out of context and you have no idea what you are talking about. Those laws about not eating pork, not shaving your beard, etc, were laws meant only for Israel. They don't apply to us today in the New Testament. Secondly, no matter what the laws in the bible say, if you're not saved then you're bound for hell anyway, and obeying this law or that law don't even matter…

      March 26, 2013 at 4:09 am |
    • sam stone

      nicetry: oooh, proxy threats of hell. pretty scary, for those who believe such tripe. interesting that you wish to spend eternity with a being from whom you have to be "saved". sort of like a spiritual stockholm syndrome. anyway, get back on your knees, b1tch

      March 26, 2013 at 5:41 am |
    • Filthy Hind I love to Mithrism lick and talk Islam bunk

      Nice Try,
      You forgot to tell us exactly how you capriciously decided that some laws were just for Israel, and some not. I see you're just like Paul, who founded your religion, (Paulianity), and when it's convenient to invoke the old law you do, and ignore it when it isn't. Hypocrite.

      March 26, 2013 at 7:20 am |
    • the AnViL™

      um – yeah – except the imaginary jebus said:

      "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished." (Matthew 5:17-18)

      stupid xians always want to pick and choose.

      lol too funny

      March 26, 2013 at 7:44 am |
    • Saraswati

      Since there are very few who actually believes in the literal truth of every word in the bible (a much larger group claim they do), we really have to take this as a discussion on which lines a religion will take seriously and which they think are "metaphorical", "of the times" or "transcription mistakes".

      March 26, 2013 at 8:04 am |
    • History Channel's "The Bible" Parts 3 & 4 - In Under 11 Minutes!

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTRn28iZD_g&w=640&h=360]

      March 26, 2013 at 8:25 am |
    • ezra

      That is why the progressive liberal atheists heterophobes rant on so much about it

      March 26, 2013 at 1:34 pm |
  7. 431 Ministers Proclamation

    As Christian clergy we proclaim: the Good News concerning Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) persons and publicly apologize where we have been silent. As disciples of Jesus, who assures us that the truth sets us free, we recognize that the debate is over. The verdict is in. Homosexuality is not a sickness, not a choice, and not a sin. We find no rational biblical or theological basis to condemn or deny the rights of any person based on sexual orientation. Silence by many has allowed political and religious rhetoric to monopolize public perception, creating the impression that there is only one Christian perspective on this issue. Yet we recognize and celebrate that we are far from alone, as Christians, in affirming that LGBT persons are distinctive, holy, and precious gifts to all who struggle to become the family of God.

    In repentance and obedience to the Holy Spirit, we stand in solidarity as those who are committed to work and pray for full acceptance and inclusion of LGBT persons in our churches and in our world. We lament that LGBT persons are condemned and excluded by individuals and institutions, political and religious, who claim to be speaking the truth of Christian teaching. This leads directly and indirectly to intolerance, discrimination, suffering, and even death. The Holy Spirit compels us:

    -to affirm that the essence of Christian life is not focused on sexual orientation, but how one lives by grace in relationship with God, with compassion toward humanity;

    –to embrace the full inclusion of our LGBT brothers and sisters in all areas of church life, including leadership;

    –to declare that the violence must stop. Christ’s love moves us to work for the healing of wounded souls who are victims of abuse often propagated in the name of Christ;

    –to celebrate the prophetic witness of all people who have refused to let the voice of intolerance and violence speak for Christianity, especially LGBT persons, who have met hatred with love;

    Therefore we call for an end to all religious and civil discrimination against any person based on sexual orientation and gender identity and expression. All laws must include and protect the freedoms, rights, and equal legal standing of all persons, in and outside the church.

    March 26, 2013 at 2:30 am |
    • realbuckyball

      Well you're getting there. Now all you guys have to do is figre out you really practice Paulianity. Your cult has nothing to do with that Jebus guy who was executed for causing a ruckus in the temple by the Romas 2000 years ago.

      March 26, 2013 at 2:39 am |
    • NiceTry

      Everything you said is by the devil and of the devil. And anyone who believes that nonsense is bound for hell and the lake. And you're certainly not a servant of Jesus Christ. You're a worker of iniquity and working for Lucifer...

      March 26, 2013 at 4:18 am |
    • Filthy Hind I love to Mithrism lick and talk Islam bunk

      Any human who actually believes in devils in 2013 needs a psychiatrist. Read Elaine Pagels, (the scripture scholar) "The Origins of Satan". She exposes the lies to be what they are. Childish bunk, for retards..

      March 26, 2013 at 7:23 am |
  8. frederick johnsen

    why are we even arguing about this? Let the gays do whatever they want. If they are wrong they will get what is coming to them and their opponents will be vindicated. If they are right then what was all the hub bub about. Those who oppose gay marriage can stand down. They have made their point and I am sure God will duly note they did what they could.
    Let the world go to hell as far as i am concerned.

    March 26, 2013 at 1:56 am |
    • Douglas

      We owe it to the children to stand up for human dignity and not knuckle under to fornication, filth and sin.

      March 26, 2013 at 2:01 am |
      • frederick johnsen

        You are right, but first and foremost we ought trust in God that all is in his hands. As we have called the people to repentance and shown them the Word of God, we now ought leave it in God's hands and get on with so many of the other things we CAN accomplish for the kingdom.

        March 26, 2013 at 2:05 am |
    • God

      Vengeance is mine. Not yours. Mind your own damned (and I do mean damned) business and tend your own souls, for you have much to worry about.

      I can't believe it when my supposed followers decide they can play vigilante in my name.

      March 26, 2013 at 2:31 am |
      • frederick johnsen

        @God: what meds have you recently missed taking?

        March 26, 2013 at 8:54 am |
    • realbuckyball

      Such crap. There are no gods. All creatures on the planet exhibit same-gender behaviors in about the same proportions, you self-righteous old far'ts. "God" has been "duely noting" stuff for a few billion years now, and is yet to do one thing about anything, so I guess that might tell you something.

      The ONLY reason the injunction is in the Bible is because the writers came from a culture that did not like it. If the Greeks wrote the Bible, it would be different. "Filth" is totally in the eye of the beholder, AND studies have PROVEN "sodomy" is practiced as much by straight people as gays. Do you get on your high-horses about THAT ? You old fools. Every law in is the Bible ONLY because it existed in it's culture, and CAMR FROM the culture it was in. There is NOT ONE thing unique in the Babble that was not generally prevalent and known and done in the ancient Near East, (including Yahweh's wife). You do know he had a wife I hope ?

      March 26, 2013 at 2:36 am |
      • frederick johnsen

        Why are you so angry, why so hateful? Why so mean spirited to people who disagree with you? I called for getting beyond all the fighting and letting people do what they like and you rant and attack something that many people hold so dear, as dearly has you hold your atheism. So sad, so mean, and before you go citing "mean Christians" good "Realbuckyball" think about striving for betterment of yourself rather than using the worst of your opponents as an example to justify your mean-spirited screed.

        March 26, 2013 at 8:53 am |
    • sam stone

      we owe it to the next generation to stand up to bigotry masquerading as piety

      March 26, 2013 at 3:36 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Doug: We get the fact that education means dwindling numbers for your group of believers, so you'd rather keep the world stupid then educate them. Do you not think that the invention of the internet will potentially allow for minds to open up? No matter what your opinion is on this, you're not going to change it.

      March 26, 2013 at 7:53 am |
  9. Douglas

    God's side is easy to discern here.

    In Matthew 19, Jesus defines marriage as the union of one man and one woman.

    End of story.

    The SCOTUS will probably rule in favor of gay marriage from a purely secular point of view.

    From a Christian perspective...gay marriage remains out of bounds.

    Most Christian churches will not permit gay marriage in their sanctuaries if they follow the BIble and
    are obedient to God's biblical instructions to us.

    March 26, 2013 at 1:23 am |
    • UD

      In Matthew 19, Jesus discusses nothing. He did not write it.

      March 26, 2013 at 1:31 am |
    • Donna

      Not too long ago most Christian churches would marry an interracial couple, and they based that on the bible too, but here we are. Times change.

      March 26, 2013 at 1:35 am |
    • Opposing View

      UD... All scripture is given by the inspiration of God. Meaning God wrote it all. God told those prophets what to write. They were just the writing instruments...

      March 26, 2013 at 1:35 am |
    • UD

      OV, you are incorrect. You clearly know nothing of the history of the Bible.

      March 26, 2013 at 1:36 am |
    • Opposing View

      UD... It appears you are the one who don't know scripture...

      2 Timothy 3:16 – All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

      2 Peter 1:21 – Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

      March 26, 2013 at 1:44 am |
    • Topher

      UD

      "OV, you are incorrect. You clearly know nothing of the history of the Bible."

      Actually, he is right. God wrote the Bible. So Jesus did say and write it. Now ... who doesn't know their Bible?

      March 26, 2013 at 1:46 am |
    • Douglas

      The LGBTQ and atheists who hang out here and attack Christianity and the Bible have no other choice.

      Since they live lives that are defined as sin in the Bible they attack the Bible and believers to justify
      fornication and repeated sinful acts.

      They mock and disparage anyone who dares to believe in God and the Bible.

      They claim they have "family values". What family values include parades of semi clothed or completely
      unclothed men and women marching in a "pride parade". This is not family values, this is fornication and
      sin on steroids.

      The asteroids falling are sign of what is in store for the new Sodom and Gomorrah.

      March 26, 2013 at 1:57 am |
    • God

      I would think that with all the sinning you do, I would think you'd spend less time telling others what to do and more looking at your own sinning selves. Do you oppress others as you would have others oppress you? Are you without sin, stone casters? Is that how you would have others do unto you?

      You have much to fear, and much to do to fix yourselves. Don't worry about others when you yourselves are such hypocrites.

      March 26, 2013 at 2:36 am |
    • sam stone

      how do you know that god wrote it? because the authors claimed it? how about the translators and editors, were they inspired by god?

      March 26, 2013 at 3:46 am |
    • sam stone

      we are just attacking the pompous fvcks who purport to speak for god, doogie.

      March 26, 2013 at 3:48 am |
    • midwest rail

      " The asteroids falling are sign of what is in store for the new Sodom and Gomorrah. "
      Douglas at his paranoiac best.

      March 26, 2013 at 6:12 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Doug: So in other words..."I failed Science 101 and therefore the buybull is true." Tell us all how two men or two women getting married directly affects your life.

      March 26, 2013 at 6:40 am |
    • Filthy Hind I love to Mithrism lick and talk Islam bunk

      Ok. So scripture says "scripture was given by god". Well, W.T.F did you THINK it was going to say about itself ? "Don't pay attention to me ?"
      Fool.

      March 26, 2013 at 7:25 am |
    • Topher

      sam stone

      "because the authors claimed it?"

      Yes. And God claimed it.

      "how about the translators and editors, were they inspired by god?"

      Nope. That's why we have copy errors and some misspellings.

      March 26, 2013 at 10:09 am |
    • WASP

      @douglas: then please explain why so many CHRISTIANS are gay? hmmmmm

      March 26, 2013 at 1:54 pm |
  10. Big Shiz

    Gods on everyone's side,except atheists that think there better and smarter than everyone else and religious nuts. God hates them basterds.

    March 26, 2013 at 1:16 am |
    • UD

      I love the hateful god.

      March 26, 2013 at 1:23 am |
  11. God is too busy to worry about this...

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzhwWw8tqxE&w=640&h=360]

    March 26, 2013 at 1:06 am |
  12. PaulB

    150 or so years ago the question was "Who is on God's side in the slavery debate" with pretty much the same groups of people siding off against each other. The ironic thing is that the Christian Right thinks that it was on the winning side, abolition, back then.

    March 26, 2013 at 1:02 am |

  13. [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ULdaSrYGLQ&w=640&h=360]

    March 26, 2013 at 12:55 am |
  14. Over 40,000 denominations of insanity

    Some believe the Pope is the Anti-Christ. Some believe Obama is the Anti-Christ.

    Some believe that celibacy is appropriate for certain people, or for certain positions. It's ridiculous. Celibacy is unnatural and will continue to cause problems for the religious institutions that employ it.

    Many of the people from these same institutions advocate against abortion, but don't understand the realistic benefit of the morning after pill or even basic contraception; their unrealistic wishful thinking is causing the death of many at the hands of disease. Realistically, many abortions could be avoided if a morning-after pill were not viewed as such an evil option. Many of these same people bring children into the world at a high pace, and then would prefer that the rest of society take over and educate their children in their particular brand of religion when they don't plan well.

    In the U.S. recently we learned of the head of Lutheran CMS chastising a minister of that church for participating in a joint service for the victims of the Newtown school shooting.

    One sect calls homosexuality an abomination while the next one in the same denomination is already performing gay marriage.

    One sect, the Westboro Baptist Church believes Americans are being killed at war because America is too kind to "fags".

    One sect believes that Jesus and Satan were brothers and that Christ will return to Jerusalem AND Jackson County, Missouri.

    One sect believes women to be subservient, while another sect in the same denomination promotes equality between the sexes.

    Conflicted right from the very beginning, Christianity continues to splinter and create divisions and more extremism as it goes.

    March 26, 2013 at 12:48 am |
    • Over 40,000 denominations of insanity

      Recently a poster asked what kind of evidence would be sufficient for proving the historical Jesus that is reflected as the Christ character in the Bible.

      Reasonable evidence would certainly have to be something beyond what has been demonstrated so far. Anonymously written gospels don't help. When the historical writings ABOUT the anonymously-written gospels appear to have been tampered with, THAT certainly doesn't help solidify anything about the Christian claim. When early Christian apologists themselves charged that the devil had disseminated earlier fake stories before the "real" gospels ('diabolical mimicry'), THAT doesn't help validate the Christian claim either. It just makes things smell very, very fishy.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:50 am |
    • Over 40,000 denominations of insanity

      Has anything improved with Christianity since 200+ years ago?

      Thomas Jefferson, POTUS #3 (from Notes on the State of Virginia):

      Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.

      James Madison, POTUS #4, chief architect of the U.S. Constitution & the Bill of Rights (from A Memorial and Remonstrance delivered to the Virginia General Assembly in 1785):

      During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.

      John Adams, POTUS #2 (in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, 09/03/1816):

      I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved – the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced! With the rational respect that is due to it, knavish priests have added prostitutions of it, that fill or might fill the blackest and bloodiest pages of human history.

      Ben Franklin (from a letter to The London Packet, 3 June 1772):

      If we look back into history for the character of present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practised it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England, blamed persecution in the Roman church, but practised it against the Puritans: these found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here and in New England.

      Thomas Paine (from The Age of Reason):

      All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:50 am |
  15. Fundies Gone Wild!

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0-04VDrCbM&w=640&h=360]

    March 26, 2013 at 12:47 am |
  16. Opposing View

    The bible makes it very clear: gay marriage and gay relationships are an abomination before God (see Leviticus 18:22, Romans 1:26-32, Jude 1:7). And no law passed by man is going to change that fact. A supreme court ruling granting gays the legal right to marry may indeed protect gays from being discriminated against in the here and now, but rest assured, it will NOT protect gays from going to hell or being cast into the lake come Judgment Day…

    If you gain the whole world and loose your own soul, what have you gained?…

    March 26, 2013 at 12:33 am |
    • bobk52

      This summer when it's 98 degrees, you will jump in that lake!!!!

      March 26, 2013 at 12:36 am |
    • PaulB

      So's eating lobster, so why not kick Maine out of the Union?

      March 26, 2013 at 12:47 am |
    • Topher

      Opposing View

      Amen.

      March 26, 2013 at 1:21 am |
    • sam stone

      Amen?

      Pompous pious fvck

      Marriage equality is coming. If it bothers you, you can either put on your big boy pants and accept it, or you get get on your knees with your sidearm and go meet jeebus. Either way works for me

      March 26, 2013 at 3:52 am |
    • Zingo

      Be polite, Sam. That's "Mr. Pompous Pius Fvck".

      March 26, 2013 at 3:55 am |
    • NiceTry

      Sam Stone… There is no marriage equality unless God agrees with it. Judgment Day is also coming. So try not to wet in your pants when you stand before God…

      March 26, 2013 at 4:13 am |
    • sam stone

      nicetry:

      1. marriage equality is a legal concept, not a religious one
      2. you have no authority to speak for god
      3. fvck you and your vindictive pr1ck god

      March 26, 2013 at 5:47 am |
    • sam stone

      "blah, blah, fvcking blah, my god is going to get you" – nicetry

      snivelling sycophant gash

      March 26, 2013 at 5:49 am |
    • Filthy Hind I love to Mithrism lick and talk Islam bunk

      Great. (1st of all you misunderstand Leviticus), AND now all you have to do is demonstrate objectively that your Babble, (cobbled together into a canon by NON-UNANIMOUS VOTES OF HUMANS), has any authority to tell anyone what to do.

      March 26, 2013 at 7:28 am |
  17. Salero21

    Ho mo se xua lity is an aberrant, abhorrent, filthy, anti-natural sin period.

    March 26, 2013 at 12:22 am |
    • Salero21

      BTW closely a ssociated with Idolatry.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:24 am |
    • Zombie Squish-Kitty: Back from the dead and seeking revenge, a ball of yarn, and a nice cuddly nap

      Oh yes, heads are going to explode when gay marriage is legalized.

      Fortunately, they are the heads that really need to explode.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:29 am |
    • bobk52

      Then go my child & sin no more"!"

      March 26, 2013 at 12:34 am |
    • End Religion

      Any bets on how many laws these "good christians" will break when DOMA is overturned?

      March 26, 2013 at 12:34 am |
    • PaulB

      bobk52
      That was to a prost.itute, wasn't it? Different issue entirely.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:56 am |
    • Abraham

      History shows that those most vehemently and vocally opposed to a thing are often the most likely to indulge in it.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
  18. Opposing View

    Rest assured, when Judgment Day arrives, you're going to have countless people standing before God and looking quite silly for supporting lesbians and gays. Particularly when the bible makes it very clear how God feels about gays (they are an abomination before God). You don't see too many people standing up for God nowadays. And when someone does stand up for God, they are ridiculed and ostracized and shamed into changing their opinion. In contrast, you can find people standing up for Lucifer everywhere you look, people who have no qualms about saying they're proud to be gay etc. They have no idea what they are saying. Little do they know, they're saying they are the very ones who shall be cast into the lake come Judgment Day…

    March 26, 2013 at 12:21 am |
    • End Religion

      Seems like we're seeing more and more of these childish "you're gonna pay one day" threats. It's almost as if they're not working. Teehee...

      March 26, 2013 at 12:43 am |
    • End Religion

      "Didn't you hear me? I said, 'You're going to pay one day.' Why aren't you listening?"

      March 26, 2013 at 12:45 am |
    • End Religion

      "Hey, no fair! I said, 'You're gonna pay one day,' now why won't you do what I tell you?"

      March 26, 2013 at 12:51 am |
    • PaulB

      Or, lots of people will look pretty silly for being hateful towards gays, lesbians, Muslims, atheists, liberals, Democrats, ... You all know who you are.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:52 am |
    • Austin

      I experienced the revelation of the holy spirit.

      John 15:26-27
      New International Version (NIV)
      The Work of the Holy Spirit

      26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. 27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.

      March 26, 2013 at 1:00 am |
    • Donna

      @Austin
      "I experienced the revelation of the holy spirit."
      You've said this before; it was in a dream, right?

      March 26, 2013 at 1:05 am |
    • sam stone

      Rest assured, the pious will continue blathering empty proxy warning of judgement day

      March 26, 2013 at 3:54 am |
    • Filthy Hind I love to Mithrism lick and talk Islam bunk

      What a fool. "When judgement day arrives" will be AFTER this universe is gone. There will be no time, no space, no "existence", no anything that you recognize. You are so deluded. But if you need the sucker to be good, little one, by all means have a lollipop.

      March 26, 2013 at 7:31 am |
    • Zeke2112

      Yes, I can see god being angry with people who loved his creations and didn't have the audacity to question that what he created was perfectly acceptable to him.

      No, we'll be laughing at the souls like you which are being flogged by god for having the impudence to declare that his creations were an abomination and forgetting the very foundation of Christianity.

      Actually, we won't be doing any of that. We'll be dead. Permanently. Try living your one existence with happiness in your heart, instead of living in rage over an afterlife that does not exist.

      March 26, 2013 at 2:55 pm |
  19. Zombie Squish-Kitty: Back from the dead and seeking revenge! And a ball of yarn.

    Do you realize that there is a very strong possibility that when the decisions get handed down in June, gay marriage will become legal throughout the Bible Belt?

    It could be a very interesting summer!

    March 26, 2013 at 12:05 am |
    • Chick-a-dee

      Intéressant vraiment.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2298497/Riot-police-clash-protesters-Paris-300-000-streets-demonstrate-gay-marriage.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

      March 26, 2013 at 12:15 am |
    • End Religion

      Plenty of idiots in Paris as well, so what?

      March 26, 2013 at 12:49 am |
    • Eyewitnesses prove the truth of the Zombie Squish-Kitty resurrection, thought they can't ssem to agree on anything

      A great truth passed down from generation to generation: The only problem with Paris is all the Parisians who live there.

      March 26, 2013 at 2:44 am |
    • Bible Belt Madness

      Zombie S-K
      Are you saying Billy-Bob will be able to choose between his 13 year old twin cousins, Sally-Sue and Jim-Bob, on who he marries? Will he still be able to play with both of them?

      March 26, 2013 at 7:41 am |
  20. Ken Margo

    Why does god need a side on the issue? If he is so powerful, I'd think he could speak for him/herself. Why would god wait for a scotus decision? If he is, He's no better than us.

    March 25, 2013 at 11:54 pm |
    • Topher

      He did speak — and very clearly so — on this subject.

      March 26, 2013 at 1:43 am |
    • sam stone

      No, Topher, iron age man spoke on the subject. If you want to attribute it to god, that is your cross to bear (so to speak).

      March 26, 2013 at 3:57 am |
    • Topher

      Sam

      That's fine. I'll bear it because I believe it to be true. I have no reason to think otherwise.

      March 26, 2013 at 10:13 am |
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