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Who is on God's side of the marriage debate?
March 25th, 2013
11:00 PM ET

Who is on God's side of the marriage debate?

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) - As the Supreme Court considers two major same-sex marriage cases that could change marriage in the United States, religious leaders on both sides of the debate believe they are on God's side of the contentious issue.

In the months leading up to this week's Supreme Court hearings, religious leaders from across the country have held prayer vigils and rallies for their respective causes.

At each event, even those with diametrically opposed views, leaders cite biblical principles as the foundation for their beliefs.

"I believe I am on God's side," Dr. Richard Land, president of The Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission and and opponent of same-sex marriage, told CNN. "I have no question in what God says marriage is."

"I do think we are on God's side because my idea of God is someone that is loving," said the Rev. Gary Hall, dean of the Washington National Cathedral and a proponent of same-sex marriage. "My understanding is that kind of God that loves everyone and wants everyone to live a joyful life."

This week, the Supreme Court will hear two cases. One will examine the constitutionality of Proposition 8, a law that prohibited same-sex marriage in California, and the other will test the Defense of Marriage Act, the 1996 legislation that forbids the recognition of same-sex marriages nationwide and bars married gay and lesbian couples from receiving federal benefits.

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Land and Hall each have actively worked on his side of this debate.

Hall, after taking the reins at the National Cathedral in 2012, decided to marry same-sex couples in the historic church. Land, who has counseled Republican presidents and members of Congress, has written and spoken at length about why same-sex marriage goes against biblical principles.

And although they both believe in the Bible, their opinions on how the text views same-sex marriage are shaped by their views on how literally to read the holy book.

"I come from a tradition that looks at the big story," said Hall, an Episcopalian. "The image of Jesus in the Bible is of someone who really makes everyone welcome, and it is from that perspective that I operate."

Hall acknowledges, however, that the Bible isn't the only guide for this belief.

"Our argument is not entirely scriptural-based," Hall said, after acknowledging passages of the holy book that define marriage as being between a man and a woman. "There is no place in the Bible that I can point to that says Jesus performed a same-sex marriage or anything like that."

In addition to scripture, Hall said, "tradition and reason" anchor his belief that same-sex couples should be allowed to wed. There are about 2 million Episcopalians in the United States.

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Land, on the other hand, cites the chapters and verses that guide his views on same-sex marriage.

"The people who take a more conservative view of the Bible and believe that they are under the authority of scripture almost universally oppose same-sex marriage," Land said about people who agree with him.

For Land, this view is not only consistent but  also roots his belief in "traditional values" and his disgust with "moral relativism."

Land, a Southern Baptist, continued: "The people who are religious and support same-sex marriage tend to take a Dalmatian view of scripture. They believe the Bible is divine in spots, and they think they can spot the spots."

If the Supreme Court decides in favor of same-sex marriage, Land said, the decision would be on par with the court's 1973 decision on Roe v. Wade, which affirmed a woman's right to an abortion.

"I think it will evoke a similar reaction," Land said.

Southern Baptists count 16 million members in the United States.

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This split over the biblical reasoning behind each side of the marriage debate extends beyond just Land and Hall, however. Churches around the country have been divided on the issue, with some choosing to allow same-sex marriage and others to forbid it.

The Rev. Jacqui Lewis, the senior minister at Middle Collegiate Church in New York who has worked with the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation on same-sex marriage, comes down in favor of same-sex marriage.

She uses the Bible - and civil rights - in her reasoning.

"I don't think that people who are supporting gay marriage need to distance themselves from the Bible in needing to find support," Lewis said. When asked about how the Bible anchors her beliefs, she cited Mark 12:31: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

On the other side of the argument is Robert Gagnon, a biblical scholar at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary who has worked with the Family Research Council on the issue.

"Only a woman is a true sexual compliment to a man and vice versa," said Gagnon, citing Genesis 1:27 and Genesis 2:24, along with the Gospels of Mark and Matthew, as the reasoning behind his view on same-sex marriage.

"That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh," reads Genesis 2:24.

As for how he feels about people such as Hall who use the Bible to defend their position in support of same-sex marriage: "You are rejecting Jesus himself. ... Just go ahead and make up your own religion."

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Gay marriage • Politics

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  1. TruthandConsequence

    On whose side is God in this debate? Ask a prophet and if you can't find a prophet, ask a Pope.

    March 28, 2013 at 6:41 pm |
    • End Religion

      If there is a god, no one knows its mind. Therefore, prophets and Popes can only lie to you.

      March 29, 2013 at 12:07 am |
    • ImLook'nUp

      There is a Holy God and male + female marriage is the correct road to follow.

      Amen!

      March 29, 2013 at 7:27 am |
  2. Over 40,000 denominations of insanity

    Wow – there seems to be a flurry of conflicted disagreement among the believers again today (see below).

    One sect calls homosexuality an abomination while the next one in the same denomination is already performing gay marriage.

    One sect, the Westboro Baptist Church believes Americans are being killed at war because America is too kind to "fags".

    In the U.S. recently we learned of the head of Lutheran CMS chastising a minister of that church for participating in a joint service for the victims of the Newtown school shooting.

    One sect believes that Jesus and Satan were brothers and that Christ will return to Jerusalem AND Jackson County, Missouri.

    One sect believes women to be subservient, while another sect in the same denomination promotes equality between the sexes.

    Some believe the Pope is the Anti-Christ. Some believe Obama is the Anti-Christ.

    Some believe that celibacy is appropriate for certain people, or for certain positions. It's ridiculous. Celibacy is unnatural and will continue to cause problems for the religious institutions that employ it.

    Many of the people from these same institutions advocate against abortion, but don't understand the realistic benefit of the morning after pill or even basic contraception; their unrealistic wishful thinking is causing the death of many at the hands of disease.

    Conflicted right from the very beginning, Christianity continues to splinter and create divisions and more extremism as it goes.

    =================================================
    Has anything improved with Christianity since 200+ years ago?

    Thomas Jefferson, POTUS #3 (from Notes on the State of Virginia):

    Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.

    James Madison, POTUS #4, chief architect of the U.S. Constitution & the Bill of Rights (from A Memorial and Remonstrance delivered to the Virginia General Assembly in 1785):

    During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.

    John Adams, POTUS #2 (in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, 09/03/1816):

    I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved – the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced! With the rational respect that is due to it, knavish priests have added prostitutions of it, that fill or might fill the blackest and bloodiest pages of human history.

    Ben Franklin (from a letter to The London Packet, 3 June 1772):

    If we look back into history for the character of present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practised it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England, blamed persecution in the Roman church, but practised it against the Puritans: these found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here and in New England.

    Thomas Paine (from The Age of Reason):

    All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.

    March 28, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
    • Theo

      Too much time on your hands ?

      do you think anyone is going to read that ? ( short of the insane )

      March 28, 2013 at 6:33 pm |
    • Lola Bunch

      Do the words of our Founding Fathers disturb you that much?

      March 29, 2013 at 2:29 am |
  3. Salero21

    Enough for today, see ya all tomorrow.

    I'll Skype my buddies in the East coast Hispanic and EX-catholic to follow up. Hispanic is a fellow Puerto Rican Veteran, we were pals in Ft Benning back in the days. Ex is from central Florida or as they call it, La Florida Central.

    March 28, 2013 at 5:21 pm |
    • Salero21

      ps. That's where I caught the butt flu for the first time.

      March 28, 2013 at 6:06 pm |
  4. 431 Ministers Proclamation

    As Christian clergy we proclaim: the Good News concerning Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) persons and publicly apologize where we have been silent. As disciples of Jesus, who assures us that the truth sets us free, we recognize that the debate is over. The verdict is in. Homosexuality is not a sickness, not a choice, and not a sin. We find no rational biblical or theological basis to condemn or deny the rights of any person based on sexual orientation. Silence by many has allowed political and religious rhetoric to monopolize public perception, creating the impression that there is only one Christian perspective on this issue. Yet we recognize and celebrate that we are far from alone, as Christians, in affirming that LGBT persons are distinctive, holy, and precious gifts to all who struggle to become the family of God.

    In repentance and obedience to the Holy Spirit, we stand in solidarity as those who are committed to work and pray for full acceptance and inclusion of LGBT persons in our churches and in our world. We lament that LGBT persons are condemned and excluded by individuals and institutions, political and religious, who claim to be speaking the truth of Christian teaching. This leads directly and indirectly to intolerance, discrimination, suffering, and even death. The Holy Spirit compels us:

    -to affirm that the essence of Christian life is not focused on sexual orientation, but how one lives by grace in relationship with God, with compassion toward humanity;

    –to embrace the full inclusion of our LGBT brothers and sisters in all areas of church life, including leadership;

    –to declare that the violence must stop. Christ’s love moves us to work for the healing of wounded souls who are victims of abuse often propagated in the name of Christ;

    –to celebrate the prophetic witness of all people who have refused to let the voice of intolerance and violence speak for Christianity, especially LGBT persons, who have met hatred with love;

    Therefore we call for an end to all religious and civil discrimination against any person based on sexual orientation and gender identity and expression. All laws must include and protect the freedoms, rights, and equal legal standing of all persons, in and outside the church.

    March 28, 2013 at 2:18 pm |
    • Sandi

      If it's normal and not actually a sin that would indicate that at least some parts of the Bible only reflect the standard human bias of the authors at that time, and were not actually edicts coming from God, correct? Kinda casts a lot of doubt on the whole "Bible as God's Word" thing, eh?

      March 28, 2013 at 3:05 pm |
    • Nancy

      You should rename yourself as 431 False Teachers.

      March 28, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
  5. John Stefanyszyn

    Answer: NO ONE
    For all believe first and foremost in their right to be free to do their will.

    But it is written that one is to worship the One and Only God and Him Alone to serve...to do His will.

    Man will weep and gnash his teeth in anger when his way of self-freedom will be put to an end...for it is only Christ, Son of the Only God, that will rule with the Will of the Creator.

    March 28, 2013 at 1:20 pm |
    • Paul;

      It seems pretty obvious to me that since god is perfect, and all knowing that he is on the side of whoever ends up winning. In this case the crazy right-wing nut jobs might discover that god is not on their side.

      March 28, 2013 at 1:27 pm |
    • sam stone

      Wow, it is written...now that's convincing

      March 28, 2013 at 3:44 pm |
  6. Fundie Nutters Gone Wild! They are panicking!

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0-04VDrCbM&w=640&h=390]

    _ _ _ _

    March 28, 2013 at 10:25 am |
    • Topher

      These are not "fundies" ... but I might concede they are "nutters."

      March 28, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
    • Gary

      My sky fairy is more sane than your sky fairy – LOL.

      March 28, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
    • Science

      Maybe soon topher we can all CREATE our own fairy/ghodst ?

      Engineering 'Ghost' Objects: Breakthrough in Scattering Illusion
      Feb. 19, 2013 — A team at the NUS Department of Electrical & Computer Engineering led by Dr Qiu Cheng-Wei has come out with an optical device to "engineer" ghosts.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130219090643.htm

      March 28, 2013 at 1:11 pm |
    • Science

      Oops ghost

      March 28, 2013 at 1:12 pm |
    • Sandi

      Topher
      Well, they're not "moderate", or "liberal" christians, are they?

      March 28, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
  7. WASP

    TO ALL CHRISTIANS:

    @fres: here is a better one; have god prove himself how did in the bible by healing hawking and other ill people in this world.
    1 KINGS CHATER 18 VERSES 36-38
    36 And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word.
    37 Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou art the LORD God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again.
    38 Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.

    -if your god could prove himself then, why not now? now here is the funny thing, let's try that experiment today.
    1 KINGS CHAPTER 18 VERSE
    24 And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken.

    so if god could prove himself to 450 baal worshippers at the request of elijah, one solitary christian; then let's have that same experiment here.
    you cry out for your god and i will watch, if he answers then he is god if not then you are following a false god. lmfao...................deal?

    March 28, 2013 at 9:48 am |
    • WASP

      @UP YOUR TROLL: then you lack faith in your god.
      it's right there in your bible, amoung other times he showed himself...........can anyone say "the burning/talking bush"?

      March 28, 2013 at 10:10 am |
    • .

      Well, you haven't learned the meaning of half the words you use, Gave Up, so I guess it's even steven.

      March 28, 2013 at 10:40 am |
    • NASA: Mars could have supported life

      gave it up...........................................you still stuck on MARS ?

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWdU_px9ApE&w=640&h=390]

      March 28, 2013 at 10:55 am |
    • Topher

      "An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah.” Matthew 16:4

      "‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ ...‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’” Luke 16

      So basically, you wouldn't believe any signs you're given.

      March 28, 2013 at 11:01 am |
    • Br

      That is an interesting proposition. How about this- prove evolution by allowing an organism to change into a completely different species without interference. That means no trying to accelerate the process, no placing elements together. Stupid? Of course it is.

      The Bible does give instances where Jehovah God intervened on behalf of His worshippers. However, my atheistic aquaintance, the Bible also gives instances where Jehovah did not intervene, as in the case of the apostle James (Acts 12:1, 2) and in the case of John the Baptist (Matthew 14:3-12). The Bible never promised Divine intervention in each individual case but simply stated that God would not allow us to be tempted beyond what we can bear (1Corinthians 10:13). It would also be interesting for you to note that although Jehovah rarely acted destructively, when He did it was complete and thorough. He does nothing half-hearted. Examples include the Great Deluge, the destruction of Sodom, and the account that you mentioned. When Jehovah has to answer, there no longer is an acceptance of excuse or repentance. Yes, Jehovah will prove himself again. Read it for yourself at Ezekiel 38:23 and Revelation 16:14-16.

      March 28, 2013 at 11:02 am |
    • Vic

      @WASP

      Obviously, you are not aware of Time Dispensations!!! We are in a different Time Dispensation than the Old Testament time!!!

      @MARS

      http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/18/on-mars-more-water-evidence-in-drilling-area/#comment-136832

      March 28, 2013 at 11:10 am |
    • ME II

      @Vic,
      How do you reconcile dispensations with the idea that god never changes?

      Would not any life that is highly adapted to its environment view its environment as highly conducive to its adaptations?

      March 28, 2013 at 11:21 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      Vic
      Time dispensation...really???. That is just what they call it when they try to reconcile the errors that men recorded into the bible with what we actually know. There is no reason to think that time has changed in the manner that is theorized. Time dispensation has absolutely no credibility.

      March 28, 2013 at 11:54 am |
    • WASP

      @CHRIS-topher:
      ""An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah.” Matthew 16:4
      "‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ ...‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’” Luke 16
      So basically, you wouldn't believe any signs you're given."
      1) so ELIJAH was "an evil and adulterous" person? he requested god prove himself to 450 worshippers of BAAL........your god did such upon his request, are you viewed as less than ELIJAH in your god's eyes?

      March 28, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
    • WASP

      @vic: "Obviously, you are not aware of Time Dispensations!!! We are in a different Time Dispensation than the Old Testament time!!!"
      1) looked up that term, it's no different than your idea of your god because it doesn't exsist outside of your religion. so that can not be used to support your claim; other than to other christians seeing it's not scientifically recognized.

      @BR: if you look up during the time of the industrial revolution in england you will find a moth that will qualify for what you asked.
      the moth was originally white due to the majority of birch trees in the great britian region; as soot from the burning fossil fuels covered everything the moth stood out and was easier prey for birds. as time passed the moth became darker to match the soot covered trees. that is known as ADAPTATION the steps of evolution.
      after the industrial revolution in england they had a clean up plan which returned the birch trees to their earlier white shaded bark, now the adapted black moth was easier prey for the birds thus eaten more than it's white pigmented cousin. now the moth that began this whole thing during the industrial revolution has become two completely different mothes.

      AIN'T SCIENCE GRAND! :)

      March 28, 2013 at 12:48 pm |
    • Typical Christian

      Yeah, but it is still a moth, derp.

      March 28, 2013 at 1:32 pm |
    • WASP

      @Typical Christian
      "Yeah, but it is still a moth, derp.
      March 28, 2013 at 1:32 pm"

      what did you expect it to become a horse?

      humans are still classified as primates; it's our order, here let me show you. chimps being our closest relative (genetically speaking) are in the same order as we are.
      SO TO ALL CHRISTIANS CONGRATS YOU ARE A PRIMATE.

      COMMON NAME: Humans
      kingdom: animalia
      phylum: chordata
      class: mammalia
      order: primate
      family: homindae
      genus: h0m0
      species: h. sapiens

      COMMON NAME: chimpanzee, chimp
      KINGDOM: Animalia
      PHYLUM: Chordata
      CLASS: Mammalia
      ORDER: Primates
      FAMILY: Hominidae
      GENUS SPECIES: Pan (all) troglodytes (cave dwellers)

      March 29, 2013 at 2:57 am |
    • Gave Them Up

      Gave Them Up
      Your comment is awaiting moderation.
      You social experimenters are all alike. You must have communing spirits residing in your temple. No deal.

      March 29, 2013 at 7:38 am |
    • Topher declares that most all of jesus's miracles were horse lies

      Topher""An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah.” Matthew 16:4"

      So you're saying that all the other so called miracles jesus performed were just horse sh-it and his "amazing tomb escape" act was the only trick he did

      March 29, 2013 at 2:57 pm |
  8. Science

    \

    Still going backwards !

    Need a map creationists ?

    ................................................ can you read a map ?

    Best Map Ever Made of Universe's Oldest Light: Planck Mission Brings Universe Into Sharp Focus

    Mar. 21, 2013 — The Planck space mission has released the most accurate and detailed map ever made of the oldest light in the universe, revealing new information about its age, contents and origins.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130321084221.htm

    March 28, 2013 at 9:02 am |
    • Vic

      [

      http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/22/science-seat-another-earth-called-a-certainty/#comment-138045

      http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/18/on-mars-more-water-evidence-in-drilling-area/#comment-136832

      ]

      March 28, 2013 at 9:40 am |
    • Scinece

      Was the bible around back then ? Vic

      Human Y Chromosome Much Older

      Than Previously Thought

      Mar. 4, 2013 — The discovery and analysis of an extremely rare African American Y chromosome pushes back the time of the most recent common ancestor for the Y chromosome lineage tree to 338,000 years ago. This time predates the age of the oldest known anatomically modern human fossils.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130305145821.htm

      No god(s) needed or required to graduate from public schools in the US

      The talking snake ?

      Peace

      March 28, 2013 at 9:52 am |
    • Science

      Hey Vic for your enjoyment

      Science

      Origin of Life: Natural Cause no god(s) required.

      Hypothesis Traces First Protocells Back to Emergence of Cell Membrane Bioenergetics

      December 20, 2012 — A coherent pathway – which starts from no more than rocks, water and carbon dioxide and leads to the emergence of the strange bio-energetic properties of living cells – has been traced for the ...

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/news/fossils_ruins/origin_of_life/

      It would be NICE......... but

      Maybe they should not have created the wedge !!!
      The wedge strategy is a political and social action plan authored by the Discovery Insti-tute, the hub of the intelligent design movement. The strategy was put forth in a Discovery Insti-tute manifesto known as the Wedge Docu-ment,[1] which describes a broad social, political, and academic agenda who

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

      Peace

      Please watch

      The African Rift

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okWkmgkS00w&w=640&h=390]

      Dover Trial Transcripts............................................. FACTS.

      Below are the complete transcripts from the Dover Trial. Thanks to our friends at the National Center for Science Education for helping us fill in the missing transcripts.

      http://www.aclupa.org/legal/legaldocket/intelligentdesigncase/dovertrialtranscripts.htm

      And the missing link !

      Looks like that funky talking snake ?........................is the fairy in the fossil bed ?

      Strange Spaghetti-Shaped Creature Is Missing Link: Discovery Pushes Fossil Record Back 200 Million Years

      Mar. 13, 2013 — Canada's 505 million year-old Burgess Shale fossil beds, located in Yoho National Park, have yielded yet another major scientific discovery – this time with the unearthing of a strange spaghetti-shaped creature.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130313142526.htm

      Looks like that funky talking snake ?........................is the fairy in the fossil bed ?

      Strange Spaghetti-Shaped Creature Is Missing Link: Discovery Pushes Fossil Record Back 200 Million Years

      Mar. 13, 2013 — Canada's 505 million year-old Burgess Shale fossil beds, located in Yoho National Park, have yielded yet another major scientific discovery - this time with the unearthing of a strange spaghetti-shaped creature.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130313142526.htm

      March 28, 2013 at 9:55 am |
    • Vic

      Science CAN NOT find the Origin of Matter! That's why the Scientific Community is "DESPERATE" to find the "ELUSIVE" Higgs Boson Particle, aka "God Particle," which is believed to give matter its mass, as well as The Higgs Field. Without those, the origin of matter is "UNKNOWN" as far as Science is concerned, and The Particle Physics Standard Model is rendered "INCOMPLETE;" mind you what's missing is the "CORE!" That's in a nutshell!

      March 28, 2013 at 10:57 am |
    • midwest rail

      The scientific community is not "desperate" to find the higgs boson. It's been found.

      March 28, 2013 at 10:58 am |
    • Science

      Hey Vic SHARE at Easter Mass on Sunday thanks

      New Evidence Strengthens Case That Scientists Have Discovered a Higgs Boson

      Mar. 14, 2013 — The new particle discovered at experiments at the Large Hadron Collider last summer is looking more like a Higgs boson than ever before, according to results announced today.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130314103026.htm

      March 28, 2013 at 11:14 am |
    • Vic

      Keep up to date!!

      The Higgs Boson Latest Discovery:

      It may be a Higgs Boson with a spin! It is not yet proven to be the Particle Physics Standard Model Higgs Boson (Spin-0, a Scalar!) The Particle Physics Standard Model can ONLY be completely proven by a Spin-0, a Scalar Higgs Boson Particle!

      March 28, 2013 at 11:19 am |
    • midwest rail

      Vic – I do try to keep up.

      http://science.discovery.com/tv-shows/through-the-wormhole/videos/higgs-boson.htm

      March 28, 2013 at 11:22 am |
    • ME II

      @Vic,
      There are many things that remain "unknown" and many models/theories that remain "incomplete", otherwise science would be "completed".
      What's your point?

      March 28, 2013 at 11:25 am |
    • Vic

      My point is:

      http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/22/science-seat-another-earth-called-a-certainty/#comment-138045

      http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/18/on-mars-more-water-evidence-in-drilling-area/#comment-136832

      March 28, 2013 at 11:30 am |
    • ME II

      @Vic,
      Here's my reply:

      http://www.sciencemag.org/

      March 28, 2013 at 11:36 am |
    • Science

      Hey Vic .................................................can you raed a map ?

      Best Map Ever Made of Universe's Oldest Light: Planck Mission Brings Universe Into Sharp Focus

      Mar. 21, 2013 — The Planck space mission has released the most accurate and detailed map ever made of the oldest light in the universe, revealing new information about its age, contents and origins.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130321084221.htm

      March 28, 2013 at 11:39 am |
    • ME II

      @Vic,
      "When God created this universe, from nothing, He made it totally formed/aged/complete (what naturally takes billions of years or so) at six-day-old!"

      So you are saying that God deceived us. Every star that has exploded, or nova, that was farther away than 10,000 light-years actually never existed. God must have created the light "in route" without there ever being a star to produce it.
      That seems like a rather odd thing to do, especially for a god that supposedly doesn't lie.

      March 28, 2013 at 11:41 am |
    • Vic

      !!! I Love Science; It Reveals God !!!

      !Read Between The Lines!

      Stephen Hawking:

      "Even if there is only one possible unified theory, it is just a set of rules and equations. What is it that breathes fire into the equations and makes a universe for them to describe?"

      "The usual approach of science of constructing a mathematical model cannot answer the questions of why there should be a universe for the model to describe. Why does the universe go to all the bother of existing?"

      "If we do discover a complete theory, it should be in time understandable in broad principle by everyone. Then we shall all, philosophers, scientists, and just ordinary people be able to take part in the discussion of why we and the universe exist."

      ..
      ..

      Albert Einstein:

      “No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life.”

      In An Interview by George Sylvester Viereck
      The Saturday Evening Post
      Oct. 26, 1929

      March 28, 2013 at 11:42 am |
    • Science

      Hey Vic you should use current stuff !!!

      Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe

      By Richard Allen Greene, CNN

      September 2, 2010 3:41 p.m. EDT

      http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/09/02/hawking.god.universe/index.html?_s=PM:WORLD

      Einstein letter, set for auction, shows scientist challenging idea of God, being 'chosen'

      By Jessica Ravitz, CNN

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/04/einstein-letter-set-for-auction-shows-scientist-challenging-idea-of-god-being-chosen/#comments

      March 28, 2013 at 11:55 am |
    • Vic

      @ME II

      God created everything and gave it a jump start and the Nature it has thereafter and set it in motion! The Natural Process is “Automatic” thereafter on every level of this existence!

      March 28, 2013 at 11:56 am |
    • ME II

      @Vic,
      "God created everything and gave it a jump start ..."

      What exactly is a "jump start" and what's your basis from thinking that there was one?

      March 28, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
    • Vic

      @Science

      I said:

      !!READ BETWEEN THE LINES!!

      Also, I believe a lot of scientists (not all) are closet believers in God one way or another! They just can't admit it because of peer pressure/social reasons! It is obvious that some of them use the "reverse psychology" to tell us that this existence can only be created by God!!! Don't you see?! A lot of times articles talk about strange and non-sense theories on purpose to make us think and decide for ourselves!

      Stephen Hawking himself does not believe the Higgs Boson particle can ever be found, and he bet on it!

      March 28, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
    • ME II

      I'm always amazed that the oceans are filled up to the level that exactly matches the beaches.
      Simply amazing.
      /sarcasm

      March 28, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
    • Thai Researchers Discover 100-Million-Year-Old Crocodile Fossile

      Vic your fairy a fossil yet ?

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwD_hjq_V7U&w=640&h=390]

      March 28, 2013 at 12:07 pm |
    • ME II

      @Vic,
      " It is obvious that some of them use the "reverse psychology" to tell us that this existence can only be created by God!!! Don't you see?!"

      Ah, the old 'denial confirms your belief' eh?

      I agree, but I think you have it backwards it's the believers who really don't believe that are using "reverse psychology".

      March 28, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
    • Vic

      @ME II

      To answer your question about the "Jump Start," my frame of reference is what the Bible describes as Days of Creation (6.) I elaborated on that on my post:

      http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/22/science-seat-another-earth-called-a-certainty/#comment-138045

      March 28, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
    • WASP

      @vic: only one question; which god?
      are you going to say the christian god?
      ever bother to think why you have such faith in that version of a god?
      if all ideas and theistic papers were to simply never been written, do you think you would still follow your god?
      your devotion to your idea of a god is nothing special; all humans that were raised to follow the "norm" of their time period thought just as you do.

      March 28, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
    • WASP

      @VIC: "Science CAN NOT find the Origin of Matter! "

      1) we know what the origin of matter is...................................................ENERGY.

      the law of conservation of energy states "energy can not be created nor destoryed"
      seeing einstien's famous equation (E=MC2) shows how energy/matter conversion happens everything is built from energy.

      you, me, the star our planet orbits, even the furthest object are all made from energy. when our star goes supernova (only one of many possible outcome of our star's end) it will return this solar system back to it's beginnings; a nebula.

      March 28, 2013 at 12:21 pm |
    • ME II

      @Vic,
      Your link doesn't answer the question, it just indicates that like Adam, supposedly, the universe was created fully form, but that does not answer the question of the light from non-existent stars.

      March 28, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
    • Science

      Hey Vic put this on your list maybe ?

      News Release

      3-D structure of the evolved enzyme (an RNA ligase), using 10 overlaid snapshots. In the top region, the overlays show the range of bending and folding flexibility in the amino acid chain that forms the molecule. The two gray balls are zinc ions. (University of Minnesota)

      University of Minnesota researchers unveil first artificial enzyme created by evolution in a test tube

      Media Note: To request high resolution images of Dr. Seelig and/or of a 3D structure of the evolved enzyme, please contact Matt Hodson at mjhodson@umn.edu.

      March 28, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
    • Vic

      @WASP

      Your notion is %100 legitimate; I appreciate that!!

      In short, throughout the past two decades of searching for the Truth and studying Science and Major Ideologies, I can ONLY BELIEVE in the SALVATION of the Lord Jesus Christ!!! There is no other way out as we all fail!

      March 28, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
    • ME II

      @Vic,
      If you choose to believe, that is fine. I won't begrudge anyone that. Just don't try to claim that science supports your position about the supernatural.

      March 28, 2013 at 12:32 pm |
    • WASP

      @vic: ", I can ONLY BELIEVE in"

      now that is being truthful with yourself, vic. you have faith in your god, we(atheists) do not. i think you have made the first step in a long road to self accualization.

      March 28, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
    • .

      Wait...is Vic saying that the Universe was created fully formed, and was set up to let nature take its course....including evolution, too????? Oh, my. They've found a way to explain that, too. What great lengths they go through for the "It's GOD!!!" explanation.

      March 28, 2013 at 12:54 pm |
    • Science

      Hey Vic Poof goes the magic dragon

      Engineering 'Ghost' Objects: Breakthrough in Scattering Illusion
      Feb. 19, 2013 — A team at the NUS Department of Electrical & Computer Engineering led by Dr Qiu Cheng-Wei has come out with an optical device to "engineer" ghosts.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130219090643.htm

      March 28, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
    • Vic

      @ME II

      As I indicated in my post, God is "Omnipotent!!!" We don't know how He creates things! That is "DEVINE REALM!!!"

      To give you some perspective:

      Even though scientists fantasize about Time Dilation, Time Warp and Wormholes, for they are NOT possible in this "LIFE REALM," God is ABLE to make all of that happen!!! But, we CAN NOT possibly know that how He "Jump Started" the Universe at Creation! We CAN NOT possibly know everything NOR CAN we explain everything we know by "Physics!" Again that involves "DEVINE REALM!!!"

      Read about "Metaphysics!"

      @WASP

      You leave out the fact that "Energy" is "Physical!"
      Where did "Energy" come from?!

      Also, God is "Metaphysical!!!" I talked about that in my post:

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/23/the-money-man-behind-atheisms-activism/comment-page-34/#comment-2237533

      Read about "Metaphysics!"

      @Science

      Read what I indicated about DNA:

      http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/22/science-seat-another-earth-called-a-certainty/#comment-138045

      DNA is a PRIME example of SHOWING DESIGN, i.e GOD!!!

      @.

      Why would God let Man evolve whereas He created him?!

      Also:

      “Why, if species have descended from other species by insensibly fine gradations, (why) do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms?”

      Charles Darwin

      http://evolutionisntscience.wordpress.com/evolution-frauds/

      http://scienceagainstevolution.info/v11i3e.htm

      http://www.icr.org/article/evolution-biologically-impossible/

      http://www.icr.org/article/biggest-problems-for-evolution/

      March 28, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
    • fred

      Reasons for God highlight the self evident nature of God.
      “In the beginning God” are the first Words of the Bible. The search is on and has been on since the earliest recorded modern man. Is the fact that virtually all humans, of normal cognitive functionality, search for God proof that God exists? Is the fact that we all come to an understanding of God during our existence further proof? Why must everyone deal with God and wrestle with Gods very presence just as Jacob did?

      Bring forth all the scientific justification for or against God and at the root is individual justification for the presence or rejection of God’s presence in their lives. Jesus said seek and you shall find and that we do. Hawking has spent a life time to validate no god needed and specifically the rejection of a personal god. Shakespeare would think he dust protest too much and that he does. Those wrestling the hardest have the deepest conflictions while those simply walking the path reflect the deepest peace.

      There can be no scientific evidence that presents valid argument against the presence of God. Those who have found God are very well aware of the presence of God as is Stephen Hawking who continues to fight against that presence. The substance and matter of God remains unchanged regardless of which camp you launch your search from. This substance and matter which manifests in presence has changed the course of history with full force of as of this very day.

      This is why we reason for or against God the presence being self evident with substance that is beyond reason.

      March 28, 2013 at 1:39 pm |
    • clarity

      "we CAN NOT possibly know . . ."

      Those are pretty strong words there, vic. Do you mean for all time? We cannot ever know?
      Sounds fishy.

      March 28, 2013 at 1:51 pm |
    • ME II

      @Vic,
      ... just like at one time, it was said that 'we cannot know' how gods create lightening, or 'we cannot know' what causes disease, or 'we cannot know' how the heavens move, etc., etc.

      Science provides a pretty reasonable description of events from just after the Big Bang until today, why would you throw that away in favor of 'we cannot know'?

      March 28, 2013 at 1:57 pm |
    • ME II

      @fred,
      "Is the fact that we all come to an understanding of God during our existence further proof?"

      When did we all "come to an understanding of God"?

      "Those wrestling the hardest have the deepest conflictions while those simply walking the path reflect the deepest peace."

      Denial is really acceptance? Rejection is actually approval? What then of you rejection of atheism?

      March 28, 2013 at 2:09 pm |
    • WASP

      @vic: energy isn't physical, it's literally EVERYTHING.
      seeing it can not be created nor destroyed, then it has always been here even prior to the big bang.
      the big bang itself was nothing but energy then as energy (protons,neutrons, electrons) attach they create various simple elements leading to the building blocks of life.

      a creator isn't required seeingt he same idea you have of your "god" always being here to create this universe is illiogical.
      study psychology and research what happens to a mind that has been locked away from contact with others of it's kind; they become unstable and irrational, eventually losing grip with reality.
      now image a mind as that of a god all alone for eons, what do you think would happen to it's idea of self?
      how do you think it could understand not to "break it's toys" when it became angry if no one was there to teach it otherwise?

      March 28, 2013 at 2:24 pm |
    • Prehistoric shark captured on film

      To Vic

      Fishy Fishy Chomp Chomp !

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mneDhOtVEQw&w=640&h=390]

      March 28, 2013 at 2:25 pm |
    • (EA) FÓSILES, FOSILIZACIÓN Y PALEONTOLOGÍA.

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw1cRg9oKTc&w=640&h=390]

      March 28, 2013 at 2:37 pm |
    • fred

      ME II

      “When did we all "come to an understanding of God"?”
      =>God simply is while our understanding of what is varies. My understanding of God is reflected in the goodness and love of Jesus. Stephen Hawkins understanding is complete rejection in any form of personal God. My understanding of God is that eternal goodness extended infinitely in all directions is the likeness of a consuming fire where in presence of God through faith our purposeful cognitive awareness can touch a small point sensing an overwhelming wonder. Einstein’s’ understanding; “My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality.”

      “Denial is really acceptance?”
      =>yes, you have only eliminated attributes of God that do not fit your understanding. What remains is the presence you accept.

      “ Rejection is actually approval?”
      =>yes, you have rejected all scientifically valid evidence provided and are left with the known substance and matter of God.

      “What then of you rejection of atheism?”
      =>Strong atheism believes presence must have known substance and matter. Strong atheism believes in the presence of the unknown (the matter and substance that will at a future point in time be discovered by scientific method). Atheism embraces the illusion of future discovery over the reality of presence.
      The known attributes of substance and matter of God are identical to the known attributes of the substance and matter of the unknown. On cannot embrace the presence of the unknown and reject the presence of God. I would accept atheism only if atheists reject the presence of the unknown.

      March 28, 2013 at 3:50 pm |
    • fred

      oops the g in Hawkins is not visible but I sure the lack of it's presence will be noticed.

      March 28, 2013 at 3:56 pm |
    • Science

      Hey Fred where have you been ?

      Good news for you ....................................... look what crawled out as a new spieces for evolution.

      Peru Surprises With Two New Amazing Species of Woodlizard

      Mar. 20, 2013 — Two new woodlizard species have been uncovered from poorly explored areas of the Peruvian jungles. The males have beautiful body colouration with a distinctive green pattern before a dark brown and black background. It is assumed that the two species share the same territory, with only a slight difference in alti-tude ranges, which makes their biological divergence intriguing from an evolutionary point of view.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115224.htm

      March 28, 2013 at 6:50 pm |
    • fred

      Science
      Jumping Wood Lizards batman! Bam Pow will wonders never cease? Sympatric speciation in lizards brings me back to the days of Adam and Eve. Could it be the wicked people in the days of Noah had to be destroyed by God because the number of heterozygous loci caused people to be increasingly evil? Looks like Moses was ahead of his time, there simply was not a Hebrew word to explain the effect of population inbreeding coefficient.
      Thanks for the excitment!

      March 28, 2013 at 8:14 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      fred
      "oops the g in Hawkins is not visible but I sure the lack of it's presence will be noticed."

      That would be Hawking

      March 29, 2013 at 12:28 am |
    • In Santa we trust

      Vic, You're starting to mirror Chad. You use decades-old quotes to make it seem as if there is a problem with evolution. Some mechanisms are not fully understood but evolution is strongly supported by common descent, distribution, DNA, etc.
      The majority of skeletons do not become fossils – they just rot, so fossils in general are not common, but we do have transitional fossils for example whales with legs (as they transitioned from a land mammal to a sea mammal).

      March 29, 2013 at 12:36 am |
  9. Reality

    Again, the greater question for the SCOTUS is "Does god exist?"

    March 28, 2013 at 7:53 am |
    • HotAirAce

      GTU is correct, unless someone relies heavily on a religion based argument, but I suspect that the court will do everything possible not to get dragged into that discussion.

      March 28, 2013 at 8:03 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Judgement day? What judgement day?

      March 28, 2013 at 8:18 am |
    • sam stone

      Oooh....Judgement Day. Pretty scary for those who believe in it

      March 28, 2013 at 8:31 am |
    • WASP

      what the court needs to do is stop swearing people in on ONLY the bible; if i ever end up in court i will request to have every theist book out there just so i have all my bases covered................. ROFLMFAO.
      if an atheist is sworn in on a bible does it really mean anything to us?

      March 28, 2013 at 9:13 am |
    • Vic

      All SCOTUS Justices believe in God!!!

      [
      Most justices have been Protestants, including thirty-five Episcopalians, nineteen Presbyterians, ten Unitarians, five Methodists, and three Baptists.[80][81] The first Catholic justice was Roger Taney in 1836, and 1916 saw the appointment of the first Jewish justice, Louis Brandeis. In recent years this situation has reversed: after the retirement of Justice Stevens in June 2010, the Court is without a Protestant for the first time in its history.[82]

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCOTUS#Court_demographics

      ]

      March 28, 2013 at 9:26 am |
    • .

      Where the hell is that at, Gave? Post a citation or quit mumbling. And even if that's true, that's local government policy, idiot. You do know the difference between local, state,m and federal, don't you?

      March 28, 2013 at 9:36 am |
    • WASP

      @VIC: reguardless of what someone's faith is, if they serve in the government they can't use their faith to create,enforce or justify laws in the united states government.
      thus they have to view all problems presented to them from a strictly secular view.

      March 28, 2013 at 10:07 am |
  10. Craig Chilton of Evansdale, Iowa

    To "Anon," regarding your post of March 26, 2013 at 10:51 pm -

    You haven't doomed yourself YET. Because rejecting ANY form of God - the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit - does NOT comprise the Unpardonable Sin. You can repent of that and still accept Jesus sacrificial Gift for you of eternal life in His kingdom.

    The Unpardonable Sin is ATTRIBUTING evil deeds and speech to the Holy Spirit.

    So before you consider doing THAT, you might want to consider nature of the "sleepless night" that you WILL endure for the nest googolplex of eons to the infinite power Factorial. It will either be wondrous beyond your wildest dreams - or it will be sheer torture in the form of being broiled alive ceaselessly in a Lake of Fire for that long.

    Consider how awful it would be to be immersed in a flowing river of hot lava for as little as ten SECONDS. So do you REALLY want to take so horrific a chance as spending all of ETERNITY in such a situation, just to look haughty to your friends in the here and NOW? How utterly insane THAT would be!

    March 28, 2013 at 6:54 am |
    • Science

      Skulls of Early Humans Carry Telltale Signs of Inbreeding

      Mar. 18, 2013 — Buried for 100,000 years at Xujiayao in the Nihewan Basin of northern China, the recovered skull pieces of an early human exhibit a now-rare congenital deformation that indicates inbreeding might well have been common among our ancestors, new research from the Chinese Academy of Sciences and Washington University in St. Louis suggests.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130318180411.htm

      March 28, 2013 at 7:04 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Yet another version of the flawed Pascal's Wager. . .

      March 28, 2013 at 7:16 am |
    • sam stone

      Oooh....proxy threats.

      How scary

      March 28, 2013 at 7:17 am |
    • sam stone

      Craig Chilton: Your god is a vindictive, petty pr1ck.

      March 28, 2013 at 7:19 am |
    • HotAirAce

      "Your god is . . ." assuming of course that he exists and the probability of that is virtually zero.

      March 28, 2013 at 7:21 am |
    • sam stone

      HAA....it may very well exist within Craig's head. I suspect that petty, vindictive pr1cks find comfort in a petty, vindictive pr1ck god. It comforts them that the ruler of the universe just happens to hate the same people they do.

      March 28, 2013 at 7:37 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Agreed!

      March 28, 2013 at 7:40 am |
    • Paul

      The Holy Spirit does evil deeds.

      March 28, 2013 at 1:40 pm |
  11. WASP

    @CHRIS-topher: thanks for permission to call you christopher; still waiting on your reply to this from yesterday TOPHER.
    RESPONSE)Dude, you can call me Christopher if you want to.
    "1) the bible can be trusted to have been unedited for the 2000years it was in circulation."
    RESPONSE)Depends on what you consider "unedited." Because we have early copies of the texts, we know that what we have no is what they had then. Now, were there some changes? Yes. But it's stuff like breaking some books into two, adding chapter and verse numbers. And of course there's misspellings and other copy errors. But again, since we have those early copies, we know what they are.
    "2) please which version of the "single god book" is the correct one; torah, bible, quran, etc etc etc"
    RESPONSE)The Bible.
    "3) where can i find "proof" outside the bible that these "authurs" were truly doing as "god" said and not what their leaders wanted them to say?"
    RESPONSE)Because if they knew it was a lie, they wouldn't have went to their deaths over it.
    "4) please explain why he bible was written nearly 300 years after "jesus" was dead."
    RESPONSE)It wasn't. It was compiled into one volume that long after, but we know all of the books were written and being circulated within 60 years of Jesus' death.
    "5) please explain how you "seem" to know more than people that spent years studying biblical history while you were pooping your diaper?"
    RESPONSE) I don't believe I've ever said that.
    "6) please prove how adam and eve had cain and able, then cain killed able; thus three humans, now prove how three humans could make a population that would be genetically viable?"
    RESPONSE)"The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years; and he had other sons and daughters." Genesis 5:4
    When you live that long, it's safe to say Adam had LOTS of children beside the three named in the Bible.

    1A) if major edits weren't made then why did the history channel make two docu.mentaries about "banned from the bible one and two"?
    2A) that is your opinion; a follower of islam would say the quran and a jewish person would say the torah.
    3A) millions have died for their faith in something; pagans died for their faith in their gods, etc etc etc so their giods are real also because they died for their gods, correct?
    4A) Jesus, as described in the New Testament, was most likely crucified on Friday April 3, 33 A.D.
    ■All four gospels and Tacitus in Annals (XV,44) agree that the crucifixion occurred when Pontius Pilate was procurator of Judea from 26-36 AD.
    ■All four gospels say the crucifixion occurred on a Friday.
    ■All four gospels agree that Jesus died a few hours before the beginning of the Jewish Sabbath (nightfall on a Friday).
    ■The synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) indicate that Jesus died before nightfall on the 15th day of Nisan; right before the start of the Passover meal.
    ■John’s gospel differs from the synoptics; apparently indicating that Jesus died before nightfall on the 14th day of Nisan.
    -•125 A.D. The New Testament manuscript which dates most closely to the original autograph was copied around 125 A.D, within 35 years of the original. It is designated "p 52" and contains a small portion of John 18. (The "p" stands for papyrus.)
    •200 A.D. Bodmer p 66 a papyrus manuscript which contains a large part of the Gospel of John.
    •200 A.D. Chester Beatty Biblical papyrus p 46 contains the Pauline Epistles and Hebrews.
    •225 A.D. Bodmer Papyrus p 75 contains the Gospels of Luke and John.
    •250-300 A.D. Chester Beatty Biblical papyrus p 45 contains portions of the four Gospels and Acts.
    •350 A.D. Codex Sinaiticus contains the entire New Testament and almost the entire Old Testament in Greek. It was discovered by a German scholar Tisendorf in 1856 at an Orthodox monastery at Mt. Sinai.
    •350 A.D. Codex Vaticanus: {B} is an almost complete New Testament. It was cataloged as being in the Vatican Library since 1475.
    YOU'LL NOTICE NO SINGLE COMBINED TEXT OF THE BIBLE EXSISTS UNTIL AROUND 350 A.D. if jesus died in 33 A.D. THEN DO THE MATH. 317 years, long time i would say.
    5A) you accerting to know more than scholars that study and research the bible, stating when the bible was written or when adam died, is accerting that you know more.
    6A) please show me anywhere that a human can live 800 years, we are lucky to live 100 even with the help of modern medical practices. so that would be an opinion based off of your bible, not factual seeing no human has ever lived that long.

    March 27, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    March 28, 2013 at 6:08 am |
    • Science

      Morning WASP

      topher might go into logic overload trying to figure out the number thing .

      Peace

      March 28, 2013 at 6:20 am |
  12. Fundies Gone Wild! They are panicking!

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0-04VDrCbM&w=640&h=390]

    * * * *

    March 27, 2013 at 9:34 pm |
    • MUST SEE Creatard Pwnage Par Excellence

      Fundies Gone Wild! They are panicking! ...........................will this help ?

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QIrfxj02pQ&w=640&h=390]

      March 28, 2013 at 5:56 am |
    • Science

      Origin of Life: Natural Cause no god(s) required.

      Hypothesis Traces First Protocells Back to Emergence of Cell Membrane Bioenergetics

      December 20, 2012 — A coherent pathway – which starts from no more than rocks, water and carbon dioxide and leads to the emergence of the strange bio-energetic properties of living cells – has been traced for the ...

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/news/fossils_ruins/origin_of_life/

      March 28, 2013 at 6:08 am |
  13. capitalist

    God doesn't care one way or the other that is why there are still gays and straights, divorces. If he did, there wouldn't be any gay around to force the issue.

    March 27, 2013 at 6:13 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Or, god is a total azzhole, which is possible.

      March 27, 2013 at 6:17 pm |
    • ..

      Or straight people denying people rights in His name.

      March 27, 2013 at 6:32 pm |
    • Vic

      !!!All what God wants from man is to BELIEVE!!!

      !!!SALVATION!!!

      John 3:16,17
      "16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him."

      New American Standard Bible (NASB)

      http://www.biblegateway.com

      March 27, 2013 at 6:33 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      I don't accept gifts from people who could stop torture but allow it to continue.

      March 27, 2013 at 6:37 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      Your myth states quite clearly that your deity created man in his own image. Now you're complaining that this omnipotent being is partly gay? Okay, deal with it.

      March 27, 2013 at 6:40 pm |
    • Vic

      God gave man "FREE WILL" and revealed His "Natural Law" to him to maintain order and live happy in this Life! It's up to man what to do with it! God honors "FREE WILL" on His part!

      But to be saved and have "Eternal Life," ALL what God wants from man is to BELIEVE!!!

      !!!SALVATION!!!

      John 3:16,17
      "16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him."

      New American Standard Bible (NASB)

      http://www.biblegateway.com

      March 27, 2013 at 6:45 pm |
    • Lola Bunch

      Vic, you think people choose to be gay? What state of dementia were you in when you decided that was true?

      March 27, 2013 at 6:59 pm |
    • sam stone

      "!!!All what God wants from man is to BELIEVE!!!"

      Why? Is it lonely being god? Is that why he faked his own death? So us measly people would acknowldge him?

      March 27, 2013 at 8:32 pm |
    • sam stone

      the concept of free will is inconsistent with an omniscient god. but, continue with your snivelling sycophant speech

      March 27, 2013 at 8:35 pm |
    • NiceTry

      To "Vic"… To be saved you have to do more than just believe. Even the devils believe, but they're not saved. For example, even Jesus himself said, 'He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. He that believeth not, shall be damned." So even Jesus stated that baptism is a requirement. More importantly, that "believeth" he mentioned is not talking about you just believing that God exist. Even Lucifer believes that God exists. Yet, Lucifer is not saved. That "believeth" he mentioned means "whosoever believes in the words of the true sent preacher." And how can you believe in the words of the preacher except you do what the preacher says. And what did the preacher say and tell you to do? See Acts 2:38 (Repent and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost). To be saved you must follow the scripture of Acts 2:38 and receive the Holy Ghost. If you fal to do that or do anything other than that you will not be saved…

      March 27, 2013 at 9:04 pm |
    • Vic

      [
      God gave man "FREE WILL" and revealed His "Natural Law" to him to maintain order and live happy in this Life! It's up to man what to do with it! God honors "FREE WILL" on His part!

      But to be saved and have "Eternal Life," ALL what God wants from man is to BELIEVE!!!

      !!!SALVATION!!!

      John 3:16,17
      "16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him."

      New American Standard Bible (NASB)

      http://www.biblegateway.com

      ]

      Upon accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and personal Savior, you are a Christian, Saved and "Baptized by the Holy Spirit!!!"

      Matthew 3:11
      "11 “As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."

      Mark 1:8
      "8 I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”

      Luke 3:16
      "16 John answered and said to them all, “As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."

      John 1:33
      "33 I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.’"

      [Scripture is from the New American Standard Bible (NASB)]

      http://www.biblegateway.com

      March 27, 2013 at 10:00 pm |
    • clarity

      Of course no one knows who wrote the gospels. Isn't that a hoot!

      March 27, 2013 at 10:12 pm |
    • capitalist

      Yo Vic, it definitely looks like you don't have any free will .

      March 27, 2013 at 10:12 pm |
    • Tim

      Vic
      If we have free will then God is like a father who raised his children to be independent, right? But, in reality, you're saying that he will punish any of his children who don't actually choose to come back to his home and live according to his strict rules. You can't give someone free will and then not allow them to freely exercise it, it's that simple.

      March 28, 2013 at 12:41 am |
    • Geoffrey

      Lola Bunch
      Vic, you think people choose to be gay? What state of dementia were you in when you decided that was true?
      -
      Same way people decide to practice any other perversion of natural law.

      March 28, 2013 at 6:49 am |
    • sam stone

      "Same way people decide to practice any other perversion of natural law."

      Like wearing eyeglasses?

      Taking medicine?

      Using a computer?

      Driving a car?

      etc, etc, etc?

      March 28, 2013 at 7:22 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Joining the dead jewish zombie death cult, or any other religious group?

      March 28, 2013 at 7:26 am |
    • sam stone

      Geoffrey: It is a "perversion of natural law" that females delay mating once they become able to bear young. So, when your 12 year old daughter starts bleeding on a monthly basis, do you encourage her to go out and spread them to comply with "natural law"?

      March 28, 2013 at 7:40 am |
    • sam stone

      Also, Geoffrey: How do you know that some members of each species are not made that way to serve as a check on population growth? Do you not attribute every minor detail of "creation" to god's design? Why not this?

      March 28, 2013 at 7:46 am |
  14. David JJ

    God's word indicates that He is patient (not hasty) but He is not patient forever. All indications are that we are living in the last days of this system. Approximately 38 indicators to help convince us.Of those 38 only one remains to occur (and that one is already developing). If two or three of these items occurred or maybe 5, 10 or 20 we could chalk that up to coincidence But these happenings and divisive force in human society absolutely point to the climax of this system, just before the Creator says 'enough is enough'.

    March 27, 2013 at 6:01 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Men have been predicting the end of days since roughly 40 A.D. They were all wrong. So are you.

      March 27, 2013 at 6:04 pm |
    • Ed

      There's no nice way to say this. You are fvcking nuts.

      March 27, 2013 at 6:05 pm |
    • Vic

      !!!SALVATION!!!

      John 3:16,17
      "16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him."

      New American Standard Bible (NASB)

      http://www.biblegateway.com

      March 27, 2013 at 6:08 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Please list your 38 conditions and conclusive argument that you are speaking the truth. I suspect you can't or won't, that you are just another in a long line of failed religious forecasters. You do provide entertainment though – my personal favorite end times guru is Marilyn Agee, perhaps you've heard of her?

      March 27, 2013 at 6:08 pm |
    • capitalist

      David JJ: There's no nice way to say this. You are fvcking nuts.

      March 27, 2013 at 6:16 pm |
    • midwest rail

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

      If you don't trust wiki, I'll gladly furnish more.

      March 27, 2013 at 6:16 pm |
    • Saraswati

      The only way you could not feel silly saying that is if you no absolutely nothing about Christian history.

      March 27, 2013 at 8:29 pm |
    • sam stone

      Translation "Any day now, yessir......Jeebus is comin' and he is mad.....be real scared because i believe it"

      Thanks, we will give it all the attention we needed....

      why wait? do you remember Heaven's Gate? get a whole bunch of your most pious friends and meet jeebus halfway.....

      March 27, 2013 at 8:40 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      David JJ has gone silent as predicted. Maybe *I* should take up forecasting. . .

      March 27, 2013 at 8:48 pm |
    • PaulH

      So, somebody brainstormed significant current events one evening, maybe while doing a little something something, came up with 38 before the buzz wore off and, because they were raised to expect the rapture any minute, decided that their genius list was actually a prophecy of that event. Impressive!

      March 28, 2013 at 12:52 am |
  15. Salero21

    Douglas, I think you gave me the butt flu

    March 27, 2013 at 5:41 pm |
  16. Bill

    Jesus had two dads and he turned out fine.

    What's the problem?

    March 27, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
    • And Jesus'

      RCC priests can not get laid and they turned out fine, oh wait!!

      March 27, 2013 at 5:44 pm |
  17. derp

    When you find yourself on the same side of a debate as Islam, you may want to rethink your position.

    March 27, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
    • capitalist

      Like that.

      March 27, 2013 at 6:14 pm |
    • Sandi

      Not just Islam, but Hitler and the KKK too.

      March 28, 2013 at 1:12 am |

  18. [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ULdaSrYGLQ&w=640&h=390]

    March 27, 2013 at 4:40 pm |
    • Cherries

      What a WONDERFUL commercial!!! Would that we'd have something like this here on our airwaves........

      March 28, 2013 at 12:25 am |
  19. eekwal

    I'm lol??

    March 27, 2013 at 4:27 pm |
  20. eekwal

    Gay marriage is good for the business of manufactured babies !!!
    Hooray for gay marriage and new business opportunities !!!

    March 27, 2013 at 4:13 pm |
    • Paris Hilton's Disco Apocalypse

      Your meds will keep your hysteria under control.

      March 27, 2013 at 4:21 pm |
    • eekwal

      Money is money.
      Money makes the world go round

      March 27, 2013 at 4:26 pm |
    • Roger that

      I'm sure you have no problem with an infertile Christian couple getting help in that department because that is what God wants. Right? Trust me, if there were money in this for Churches they would change their stand on this issue in a heartbeat.

      March 27, 2013 at 4:36 pm |
    • eekwal

      I believe you. Americans will do anything for money.

      March 28, 2013 at 11:05 am |
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