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At evangelical colleges, a shifting attitude toward gay students
A group of Wheaton College alumni formed OneWheaton to offer an alternative view on sexuality from the evangelical school.
March 30th, 2013
09:15 AM ET

At evangelical colleges, a shifting attitude toward gay students

By Sarah Pulliam Bailey, For CNN

Wheaton, Illinois (CNN)– Combing through prayer requests in a Wheaton College chapel in 2010, then-junior Benjamin Matthews decided to do something “absurdly unsafe.”

He posted a letter on a public forum bulletin board near students' post office boxes. In the letter, he came out as gay and encouraged fellow gay Christian students - some of whom had anonymously expressed suicidal plans in a pile of the prayer requests - to contact him if they needed help.

In a student body of 2,400 undergraduates in the suburbs of Chicago, at what is sometimes called the Harvard of evangelical schools, Matthews said that 15 male students came out to him. Other students seemed somewhat ambivalent about his coming out, he said.

No one told him he was wrong or needed to change, Matthews said some students were obviously uncomfortable with someone who would come out as gay and remain a Christian.

“I don’t think most Wheaton students knew what to do because they've been given ‘love the sinner, hate the sin’ rhetoric, but they don't know how that plays out in real life,” said Matthews, who graduated in 2011. “They would mostly just listen, nod and say, ‘Yeah man, that’s hard.’”

As is the case at many evangelical colleges, Wheaton students sign an agreement to not have sex outside of marriage, including "the use of pornography ... premarital sex, adultery, homosexual behavior and all other sexual relations outside the bounds of marriage."

On campus, the college created an official group in February for students to explore questions of gender identity and sexual orientation. The group is intended as a “safe place for students who have questions about their sexual orientation or gender identity,” where students may self-identify as LGBTQ.

But cultural and political changes have created tensions for the academic and student life environment. As more mainline denominations ordain openly gay clergy and more states pass same-sex laws, some gay evangelicals – and their allies - are openly deviating from Wheaton’s official and long-held positions. Well-known Christian author Rob Bell, a graduate of Wheaton, came out in favor of gay marriage in mid-March.

OneWheaton, a group unaffiliated with the college, wants to offer an alternative view on homosexuality from that of the evangelical school. The group, which is not explicitly religious, wants GLBT students to feel affirmed in their sexuality, acting as a support network for students struggling with their sexual identity, whether they choose to be openly gay or whether they choose to remain celibate. But leaders of the group say that gay Christians do not need to be celibate to retain their religious identify.

“For those of you feeling alienated, it gets better,” says OneWheaton’s founding statement, signed by about 700 GLBT and straight, alumni, echoing Dan Savage’s national “It Gets Better” campaign for gay youth. “Your desire for companionship, intimacy and love is not shameful. It is to be affirmed and celebrated just as you are to be affirmed and celebrated.”

A widespread question

Wheaton is hardly the only evangelical college that’s seeing a growing spectrum of responses toward homosexuality among students, alumni and staff.

Last year, a group at Biola University in southern California came out with posters and a website called Biola Queer Underground. The group describes itself as “like-minded LGBTQ (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer) students and allies who have formed a private underground community in which we share our life struggles, as well as our love and support for one another.” Biola then issued a “statement on human sexuality” saying, "God’s design for marriage and sexuality is the foundational reason for viewing acts of sexual intimacy between a man and a woman outside of marriage, and any act of sexual intimacy between two person of the same sex, as illegitimate moral options for the confessing Christian.”

Groups from at least two Christian schools, Eastern University in Pennsylvania and George Fox University in Oregon, have formed OneEastern and OneGeorgeFox, which launched public websites in 2012.

About 200 LGBT and straight alumni from California’s evangelical Westmont College co-signed a letter to the student newspaper suggesting they experienced "doubt, loneliness and fear due to the college's stance on lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender issues."

Many Christian schools have different regional, historical and denominational ties that keep issues related to sexuality complex and keep these institutions from responding monolithically.

Wheaton’s well-known alumni include evangelist Billy Graham, former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert and former George W. Bush speechwriter Mike Gerson. To come out at the college, OneWheaton’s organizers say, is to risk losing a network of fellow-minded alumni.

“Part of OneWheaton is showing that while people are risking their networks, they'll have people they can turn to,” said OneWheaton spokeswoman Kristin Winn, who came out six months after graduating in 2007.

The married-sex-only agreement that Wheaton students and faculty sign is part of the college’s Community Covenant, which says that students agree the Bible condemns “sexual immorality, such as the use of pornography, premarital sex, adultery, homosexual behavior and all other sexual relations outside the bounds of marriage between a man and woman.” Few students self-identify as gay, and if they do, it has different implications based on their expressed beliefs and behavior. Students can self-identify as gay, but college officials consider each student on a case-by-case basis if it comes into question.

Members of OneWheaton attend an athletic event on campus.

“What matters is the moral understanding of the person and how that matches with our institutional identity and the moral behavior that flows from the understanding. There’s no formula to how this gets applied," said Wheaton's Provost Stan Jones, a psychologist who has written several books on sexuality.

Students who openly deviate from or openly advocate for deviation from the covenant may be dismissed from the school, Jones said.

Alumni say some gay students have been asked to leave or been counseled to leave Wheaton. No member of Wheaton would be asked or counseled to leave this institution on the basis of sexual orientation alone, Jones said, and he is not aware of any cases where people were dismissed only because of sexual orientation.

Jones said it would be difficult to say whether a student who signed OneWheaton’s statement would be in open disagreement with the covenant, though he is not aware of any student who has left or been dismissed over involvement with the group. “We’re not in a rush to show people the door,” Jones said. “We want Wheaton College to be a community where people can wrestle with these issues.”

The balance, college officials say, is between preserving the theological integrity of the school while leaving room for questions.

“Articulating orthodox Christian theological beliefs and moral convictions itself is and ought to be an expression of grace,” said Philip Ryken, president of Wheaton, explaining the college's stance on sexual behavior in response to OneWheaton's emergence. “Those theological principles and moral guidelines are an expression of God’s character and the best way to live.”

Homosexuality is not a focus at Wheaton more than any other college, said Ryken, but culture places a priority on sex. The college does not keep track of the number of students who leave over homosexuality, he said. “There are a variety of challenges that different Christian colleges and universities face from people advocating homosexuality,” Ryken said in an interview in his campus office. “OneWheaton has been clear in saying they’re not interested in changing the college, but it remains to be seen what kind of influence they desire and may seek to have.”

A growing trend

Evangelical colleges likely face generational differences in attitudes toward sexuality as younger evangelicals develop friendships with people who are gay, says David Kinnaman, president of the Barna Group, a Christian market research firm.

“There has been a shift from rightness to fairness,” Kinnaman said. “There’s a real sense in which their institutional loyalty and their loyalty to theoretical morals and ethical choices are trumped by their peer relationships.”

About 40% of evangelicals between the ages of 18 and 29 are likely to say homosexuality should be accepted by society, compared to 24% of evangelicals who are older than 30, according to the 2007 religious landscape survey by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life. But there is still less acceptance of homosexuality by evangelicals than by other young people. The same Pew poll found that 63% of Americans age 18 to 29 say homosexuality should be accepted by society, as do about half of Americans ages 30 to 64.

As a younger demographic is less opposed to gay marriage, they are also are more likely than before to identify as pro-life. Forty-one percent consider themselves "pro-choice," a record low since Gallup began asking the question.

“During the last five to seven years, there has been a definite uptick in interest [in homosexuality],” says Michael Hamilton, a history professor at Seattle Pacific. “As evangelicals and the main currency of American culture converge, an increasing number of gay students are going to say, ‘Wait a minute. I don't see a problem.’”

Last year, students at Seattle Pacific University received student support and a faculty letter backing a group’s desire to discuss being gay. Its administration approved the request but declined to give it official status. In 2010, Abilene Christian University declined to grant official status to a gay-straight alliance.

Michael Lindsay, president of Gordon College in Massachusetts, said that homosexuality is just one of a basket of issues that evangelical schools are dealing with now for the first time.

“Any moral issue dealing with the body gets a visceral response,” said Lindsay, who said future important issues will include bioethics, disability and other questions dealing with life. “Because sex is tied in with the body, naturally it’s one of those issues folks will have highly charged responses.”

Facing alternative views

The Wheaton alumni group, OneWheaton, was initially a private Facebook network that went public partly in reaction to an April 2011 chapel service at Wheaton featuring Wesley Hill, a gay Wheaton alumnus who says he chooses to be celibate, a path that some gay students and alumni take. Hill wrote the 2010 book “Washed and Waiting,” about being gay, Christian, and celibate, and told students how he came to his position that sex is between man and a woman in marriage.

“I found myself convinced of the position the church has held with almost totally unanimity throughout the ages, that although many people find themselves, through no fault of their own, to have sexual desires for members of their own sex, this is not something to be affirmed and celebrated, but is a sign that we’re broken, in need of redemption and recreation,” Hill told students.

“Gay people are not uniquely broken,” he said. “That’s a position we share with every other human who has ever lived or will live. But we are, nonetheless, broken. And following Jesus means turning our back on a life of sexual sin, just as it does for every other Christian.”

According to a survey conducted by the Wheaton student newspaper in 2008, about 5% of students (mostly male) reported having "had a homosexual experience." About 56% of students agree or strongly agree that homosexuals are not welcome at Wheaton, the survey reported.

OneWheaton is working to change that in some in-your-face ways. During one homecoming weekend, the group held a concert featuring Jennifer Knapp, a former contemporary Christian Music musician who came out as a lesbian in 2010. “Although I disagree with painting sexual orientation and gender identity as a biblical sin, Wheaton has a right to that interpretation,” Knapp said. “But I don’t know how you can be welcoming but not affirming.”

Knapp questions whether colleges such as Wheaton present alternative theological positions.

“Whether it’s alcohol or premarital sex, is Wheaton an academic institution willing to present both sides, or is it wanting to churn out soldiers that believe exactly the same things they do?” said Knapp, who used to identify as evangelical but now disassociates herself from the movement.

The college does not typically host speakers who espouse theology that affirms same-sex behavior, but it does not forbid such discussion from taking place. Administrators say they know that students might end up differing with the college theologically.

“This is not a place of indoctrination,” said Jones. “This is an educational community. We need to have a high level of patience and tolerance for students working through those issues.”

In many ways, Jones said, students need to be thoughtfully engaging the issues.

“Many students have only heard about homosexuality in the context of ‘Those bad people who we must oppose,’” he said. “There are many in our student body who want to engage these issues sympathetically, but there are others who are prone to thoughtless speech that can lean in the direction of incivility.”

At the same time, he said, Christian colleges are facing outside professional and political pressure on gay issues. Wheaton administrators spent several months preparing for a 2006 visit from Soulforce, a group aiming to change religious leaders' minds on gay issues that was co-founded by Mel White, who was a ghost writer for some evangelical leaders, including Pat Robertson and the late Jerry Falwell.

Soulforce members had been arrested at other Christian campuses that ban same-sex behavior, but the group had a cordial gathering at Wheaton and visited again last year.

In 2009, the American Philosophical Association adopted a procedure to “flag” ads from employers that ban same-sex sexual conduct.

“I find that extraordinarily ironic for a discipline that prides itself on spirited debate about fundamental issues,” Jones said. “You are inviting the erosion of your distinctions if you don’t draw some boundaries.”

Administrators also are carefully watching court cases related to federal funding and hiring practices, where the government could pull funding if an institution is deemed discriminatory.

Faculty are expected to sign the same covenant as students, and those who advocate for something contrary to the stated beliefs would be called into question, Jones said.

“If a person disagreed with a clear assertion of the covenant, that has implications regardless of their status, even for those who have tenure,” Jones said. In faculty applications, he would consider where a professor stands on sexual intimacy as between a man and a woman in marriage, though questions about whether gay marriage should be legal at a state level would not necessarily come up. “We don’t ask about their civic views of gay marriage,” he said. “I would not be looking for their policies on a governmental policy voting.”

On the “Day of Silence” in April 2012, about 90 students wearing white T-shirts printed with "break the silence" attended a campus-hosted discussion about homosexuality, such as whether Wheaton can be considered a "safe place" for gay students. “You are telling LGBTQ students that no matter where they end up on their journey of identity, you care for them, respect them, and will remain their friend,” OneWheaton leaders wrote on a sign-up form for students who wanted to wear T-shirts. One alumnus came out to the rest of the group.

Matthews, the student who came out at Wheaton in 2010 – he now teaches middle school science in Connecticut - wrestles with whether the group OneWheaton will be an effective network since its views are far from the college’s stance on sexuality. He said he followed Wheaton’s agreement to refrain from premarital sex during school, but his personal views on the morality of homosexuality have shifted.

Matthews was attracted to men when he began college but hoped he would begin liking women.

He considered sexual orientation conversion therapy, which some evangelical Christians embrace but which the American Psychological Association has said is ineffective and could be damaging. After the Episcopal Church ordained its second openly gay bishop in 2010, Matthews began reading more and eventually embraced a theology that suggests gay Christians do not need to be celibate. At one point, he considered becoming an Episcopal priest.

Matthews said Wheaton was a safe place to come out because he could work through both being gay and being a Christian. If he had gone to another college, he said he might have stayed closeted because people might suggest abandoning his faith, something he wasn't willing to relinquish.

“Quite ironically, had I not gone to Wheaton, I might not have come out,” Matthews said. “They weren’t going to say what I presumed people at other colleges would tell me, which is, ‘If you have conflict between your faith and sexuality, drop the faith.’ No one at Wheaton was going to tell me that.”

Editor's Note: Sarah Pulliam Bailey is managing editor for Odyssey Networks.

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soundoff (1,024 Responses)
  1. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things,

    March 30, 2013 at 3:42 pm |
    • Dustin Goldsen

      All living things? Still waiting to hear my dog pray.

      March 30, 2013 at 3:49 pm |
    • craig

      You talk to invisible people.

      March 30, 2013 at 3:51 pm |
    • .

      your dog is closer to God than you are and is probably a better use of this worlds resources.

      March 30, 2013 at 3:51 pm |
    • tony

      What have your "things" been changed into? Are you wanting to use the other gender's bathroom now?

      March 30, 2013 at 3:53 pm |
    • Hadadad,didntlikehim,gotanewone

      prayer changes what specifically?

      What is different now than it was before someone prayed about it.

      Does that person have to be Christian? What about a Jew's prayer? What about a Buddhist?

      I would like to know what prayer can change so I can try it. Can I get a nicer car? Can I cure my friends' cancer?

      Tell me.

      March 30, 2013 at 3:56 pm |
    • Jo

      This is harmful 'logic'

      March 30, 2013 at 5:16 pm |
  2. Christopher

    Since when do the South Park guys do illustrations for CNN?

    March 30, 2013 at 3:41 pm |
  3. I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

    An interesting article this.

    I am very familiar with Wheaton Illinois. The college had a very strong influence on local civics and the town – it was very much a mid-western bible belt buckle.

    It is nice to see the college not having a knee-jerk expulsion reaction to LBGT students but the inst!tution is in a real bind. This article is hopeful. Time and a greater understanding of LBGT issues will help here.

    March 30, 2013 at 3:39 pm |
  4. steve

    evangical colleges lololol go to a real school..and gays do what you want, but youre dirtballs and keep it to yourself

    March 30, 2013 at 3:39 pm |
    • Saraswati

      High school kids need to realize that employers do take into consideration where you went to college. If you pick a whacky religious school or a for-profit school a lot of places won't even read past the education section on your resume.

      March 30, 2013 at 3:54 pm |
    • John P. Tarver, MS/PE

      Al Gore flunked out of divinity school.

      March 30, 2013 at 3:57 pm |
    • Geesh

      Yep and now Al Gore is saying we are the arbiter's of our own evolution......

      March 30, 2013 at 4:02 pm |
    • John P. Tarver, MS/PE

      A doctorate in theology prepares you for a career as a con man. Bill Clinton was one of the best.

      March 30, 2013 at 4:05 pm |
    • Geesh

      .....translation: Al Gore is saying we are our own God's and can control evolution, ideas, and destiny

      March 30, 2013 at 4:08 pm |
    • Geesh

      Correction, gods plural not possessive

      March 30, 2013 at 4:10 pm |
  5. popseal

    Be he secularist, new ager, or conventional religion guy the moral laws of the universe are not subject to adjustment or amendment by any of them. Neither judge nor popular celebrity can change that. 110,000,000 adult American cases of STDs are proof that violations of the Judeo Christian ethic do not go unnoticed by those laws as inviolable as gravity. The CROTCH FIRE APOCALYPSE is upon them that ignore the laws of human behavior.

    March 30, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
    • Free Mind

      The Jews cried "give us Barabbas" ..."Crucify Christ". Modern Americans cry "give us qu**rs" ...."Crucify Christ"

      March 30, 2013 at 3:43 pm |
  6. Scott

    One day soon Christian conservatives are going to realize that America likes gays more than them.

    March 30, 2013 at 3:36 pm |
  7. A Person

    Religion makes me a better person. I hear stories of God's compassion and kindness and it makes me want to be kind to others. I don't feel worried or afraid because I know God is protecting me. This is the true purpose of religion, and that it why religion helps society.

    March 30, 2013 at 3:36 pm |
    • tony

      That's the just the very common moral code that most religions adopt into their creed. Just collecting money for abstract stuff like prayer doesn't fill many pew seats.

      March 30, 2013 at 3:43 pm |
    • Peregrine

      @ap,so you know god is protecting you? I'll bet you still look both ways when you cross the street.

      March 30, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
    • Jo

      Great. I don't need that to be good nor does anyone else. Glad that it helps you but it's a symptom of a weak and desperate mind to spit in the face of reality and reason.

      March 30, 2013 at 5:18 pm |
  8. Just The Facts

    Regardless of your biblical views, sodomy is an unsanitary, and in my opinion, a deviant practice. Without getting graphic, those 'wash your hands' signs posted in every restroom are there for a reason folks. Sure, you can do whatever you want in the privacy of your own bedroom, cover yourself in crisco and put on a party hat, but don't try to sell it as normal behavior.

    March 30, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
    • John P. Tarver, MS/PE

      That is why Gloria Vandabilt always told her son to wear his bukake goggles, but he wound up blinded anyway.

      March 30, 2013 at 4:07 pm |
  9. GaryOwen27

    The pathetic bigoted Red Neck Right has been emasculated on this one....no pun intended.

    March 30, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
  10. woodstockwoody

    Oh my god it must be so difficult to like and accept gay people. How DO you do it??

    March 30, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
  11. tony

    A religious education is a contradiction of terms.

    March 30, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
  12. tony

    Someone is confusing "belief"(of fantasy) with believing (having factual evidence which sways you mind)

    March 30, 2013 at 3:34 pm |
    • Russ

      @ tony: why not answer under the original thread?

      you simply said "belief is the one true sin."
      did you mean to say "belief in the improbable is the one true sin"?
      what do you do with chaos theory & quantum physics then?

      March 30, 2013 at 3:38 pm |
    • Free Mind

      Evolution is a fantasy and a fairy tail.

      March 30, 2013 at 3:38 pm |
    • tony

      My posting location is accidentally affected by the "reload" button. Happens to many of us when doing other things while posting.

      March 30, 2013 at 3:45 pm |
  13. MTD

    I care what a group of 19-22 year olds think about anything why exactly?

    March 30, 2013 at 3:33 pm |
    • Jo

      They are the future.

      March 30, 2013 at 5:20 pm |
  14. tony

    If god could manage to keep all the lesser animal species alive and flourishing for the thousands (millions) of years before priests came into being, you'd think he'd be able to aid the few most holy of the human race, without them needing continuous handouts from the rest of us. But then religious believers have a lot of trouble with thinking.

    March 30, 2013 at 3:33 pm |
  15. Pete/Ark

    I would think that fundementalists would be the first to say that God does not need the help of secular law.

    March 30, 2013 at 3:32 pm |
  16. Leni

    Can we not make it through even 1 day without a Gay story being features? I mean why does this issue, dominate the media landscape to this extent?

    March 30, 2013 at 3:31 pm |
    • Leni

      Sorry that should read featured...

      March 30, 2013 at 3:32 pm |
    • Saraswati

      We made it through several weeks with nothing but Pope stories.

      March 30, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
  17. tony

    The 9th commandment is the great paradox. To preach is to breach.

    March 30, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
    • Sean

      They are breaching God's law and making a mockery of it! gays and lesbians are mocking our faith and tearing the Bible to shreds which is exactly what God warned us about in the Bible. He spoke of political strife and people becoming comfortable with equalization even if it was against him.

      March 30, 2013 at 3:38 pm |
    • tony

      Nope, claiming that some effect on ones life is due to a fantasy, is bearing false witness

      March 30, 2013 at 3:46 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Sean: So basically you're bigoted due to the fear that your faith will come crashing down? Not a very strong faith you have if 2 people of the same gender loving each other can it break down. Now outside of that, what other reason do you have for being bigoted? How do the lives of these people DIRECTLY affect yours??? Do you believe in equal rights for all?

      March 30, 2013 at 4:27 pm |
  18. Sean

    I always thought it was interesting when someone says that god has spoken to them or that they have seen god other believers in god agree and share similar accounts. When someone says they have seen aliens or have been abducted by aliens the only people that believe them are others who also claim to have seen aliens or been abducted. The same with people who have seen or spoken to ghosts, bigfoot, yetis, chupacabras, believe in pyramid power, crystal power, scientology. Most of us are politely quiet and secretly roll our eyes when someone says that god speaks to them or that they have been touched by god etc., yet when someone mentions any of the other things we are quick to point out that they are wackos.....perhaps it is time for us to speak up and say there is no such thing as god and it is time to clear our heads and get on with moving the human species forward and leaving fairy tales and silly beliefs behind.

    March 30, 2013 at 3:21 pm |
    • Saraswati

      I was required in a business environment to take seriously clients who were searching for aliens. I had a lot of practice already working with some of the odder Christian groups so it wasn't that much of a stretch.

      March 30, 2013 at 3:26 pm |
  19. tony

    Belief is the one true sin.

    March 30, 2013 at 3:21 pm |
    • Russ

      @ tony: do you BELIEVE that?

      March 30, 2013 at 3:23 pm |
    • tony

      Yes I believe that religion harms mankind.

      March 30, 2013 at 3:24 pm |
    • Russ

      @ tony: i can't 'believe' you are going to make me point out your explicitly self-refuting statement here...

      you 'believe' it, and yet you claim "belief is the one true sin."
      what about your beliefs?

      March 30, 2013 at 3:27 pm |
    • Bill Sanders

      If you stand for something you will fall for anything

      March 30, 2013 at 3:27 pm |
    • Bill Sanders

      Sorry – meant to say if you DON'T stand for something you will fall for anything....

      March 30, 2013 at 3:28 pm |
    • Free Mind

      Whose belief or religion is sin? By what standard of morality do you make that judgment???

      March 30, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
    • tony

      By all of them, religious or secular. Religion does harm, no matter how well intentioned. Why? Because it is used to override conscience.

      March 30, 2013 at 3:49 pm |
    • Russ

      @ tony: so by your reasoning, your conscience should never be violated (a la Jiminy Cricket)?
      what do you do with criminals? they "let their conscience be their guide."
      if you say: "well, obviously they're criminals!", on what basis do you violate someone's conscience?

      March 30, 2013 at 3:53 pm |
    • Joey Isotta-Fraschini ©™

      I think that @ tony believes what can be proven by scientific method.
      I do not believe that there is a "God." I can't prove that there is no God, but there is no evidence of a God.
      Word games do not prove the existence of anything.

      March 30, 2013 at 3:59 pm |
    • Russ

      @ Joey: the scientific method can't be proven by the scientific method. it *presupposes* itself.
      to use it as a litmus test for metaphysical reality is to forget that you gave its metaphysical presuppositions a pass in the first place.

      or to put it as Nietzsche did: "it is STILL a metaphysical faith that underlies our faith in science."

      March 30, 2013 at 4:07 pm |
  20. John P. Tarver, MS/PE

    The priests of Ba'al were gay child molesters and that reputation is used against all gays.

    March 30, 2013 at 3:20 pm |
    • Atheist, me?

      Where did you read that?

      March 30, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
    • Akira

      Um hmm. You've researched Baal thoroughly, have you?

      March 30, 2013 at 3:25 pm |
    • John P. Tarver, MS/PE

      Genesis. The cross burner's god is a burned up stick and his priests were gay child molesters.

      March 30, 2013 at 3:26 pm |
    • John P. Tarver, MS/PE

      Akira- The untlimate conclusion of Calvanism is that Ba'al is Christ's brother. Any understanding of Christianity can not be seperate from the parallel religion of Tyre. (Atlantis)

      March 30, 2013 at 3:29 pm |
    • clarity

      Still trying to find that proof of the myth of evolution you were going to supply, Tarvball??

      Are you going to give us the excuse of cnn not letting you post it again?

      March 30, 2013 at 3:46 pm |
    • John P. Tarver, MS/PE

      Species occur rapidly following a mass extinction, the opposite of evolution as a means to species. Dr. Gould provided a 1400 page thesis to deal with the problems inherent to evolution as a means to species and the iridium 24 layer between eras. New species in one side and old species on the other.

      March 30, 2013 at 4:03 pm |
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