By Dorrine Mendoza, CNN
(CNN) - In the hours after learning the Rev. Rick Warren's son had killed himself, Beth Moore says she was swept with conflicting waves of emotion.
Moore didn't know Warren or his wife, Kay, personally. But as someone who had ministered to women on Warren's Saddleback Church campus several years ago, she felt a strong connection to the couple.
In a post on her Living Proof Ministries blog about Matthew Warren's suicide, Moore first explained her anger at the "satanic force" that would prey on weak children. Then she walks her readers through her struggle to understand suicide.
But most compelling is her frustration in trying to understand "trash talk" on social media from Christians attacking the Warrens, in addition to hateful posts from non-Christians.
For some reason, these people felt compelled to blame Warren for the death of his 27-year-old son or defend their position that suicide is an unforgiveable sin and therefore Matthew Warren would never be received in heaven. Hardly comforting thoughts for grieving parents.
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Such posts don't seem to be flooding Warren's social media accounts. But Moore, who founded Living Proof Ministries and has written several books and Bible study courses aimed at teaching women about living a Christian life, was not alone in her frustration.
"Repulsed and embarrassed the way some professing-Christians are reacting to the tragedy in Rick Warren's family," tweeted @Dhdyer. "A tree is known by its fruit."
Even @HuffPostRelig tweeted, "If you are hating on @RickWarren in this horrible time you should be ashamed of yourself."
The day after his son's death, Warren tweeted and posted to his Facebook page the following message: "We pray 'Thy WILL be done on earth AS IT IS IN HEAVEN' since in heaven God's Will is done #always. On Earth, it's done rarely."
Over the weekend, Warren's Facebook page and Twitter feed were filled with thousands of supportive comments, many from people who shared their own emotional stories of losing someone to suicide. While some people referenced "hateful" comments directed at the family, they were not immediately evident on either site.
But negative messages are out there. Despite the success of Saddleback and book sales for "The Purpose Driven Life," Warren is far from a universally loved figure, in particular because of his anti-gay messages.
Twitter user Jeffrey Christian (@JeffreyChrist) describes himself as a "partnered, faithful friend" living in New York. On Saturday he posted, "Dear Rick Warren: now U know the 'anguished grief' parents of gay teen suicides feel after listening 2 U and UR ilk's anti-gay hate speech."
@LadyLNorth, who describes herself as a tea party supporter from Kansas and conservative mother of three boys, replied, "Can u not show some humanity & contain ur hate 4 even 1 day? A family lost a son. Show some class if compassion is beyond u."
@JeffreyChrist responded: "@LadyLNorth No hate here. ... And I hope his son is finally at peace. I'm not reveling in anyone's pain."
On the CNN.com story about Matthew Warren's death, more than 3,000 comments were posted.
"Christians are without question, the most HATE FILLED BIGOTED HYPOCRITES on the planet! Google it!" wrote urnemisis.
"You are right," wrote a user who chose not to register a name. "We are hypocrites. We are human. Christianity has become about us instead of about Christ. Many 'Christians' are filled with hate and are bigots. Have you ever stopped to think that perhaps the 'Christians' who act that way are not really Christians at all? Christian means 'Like Christ' and Jesus is not like that."
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Which was exactly the sentiment Moore was wrestling with as she described taking a walk in the woods and crying angry tears.
"Life is hard enough without hatefulness rife in the Body of Christ," she wrote.
"I'm sick of the bullying. The mud-slinging and the meanness. I'm sick of careless, idle words thrown out there in the public square and professing believers in Christ standing on the necks of their own brothers and sisters to sound smart and superior. As if it's not enough that we are surrounded in this culture by Christian haters, we've got to have our own hater-Christians. It's insane."
On Tuesday, Warren posted to his Facebook page, "You're most like Jesus when you pray for those who hurt you, 'Father forgive them, for they don't know what they're doing.' "
Maybe they should not have created the wedge !!!
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Dover Trial Transcripts............................................. FACTS.
Below are the complete transcripts from the Dover Trial. Thanks to our friends at the National Center for Science Education for helping us fill in the missing transcripts.
For all creationists and ID believers...............IT only takes minutes to figure IT out. No fairy in the sky needed !
New Device Can Extract Human DNA With Full Genetic Data in Minutes
May 6, 2013 — Take a swab of saliva from your mouth and within minutes your DNA could be ready for analysis and genome sequencing with the help of a new device.
Monkey Math: Baboons Show Brain's Ability to Understand Numbers ..........E = mc2..............(U-Pb) numbers do not lie !
May 3, 2013 — Opposing thumbs, expressive faces, complex social systems: it's hard to miss the similarities between apes and humans. Now a new study with a troop of zoo baboons and lots of peanuts shows that a less obvious trait – the ability to understand numbers – also is shared by humans and their primate cousins.
OR.........take a ride on a DINO.
Fossil records are better to read than the nasty bible..................no god(s) required !
Oldest? New 'Bone-Head' Dinosaur Hints at Higher Diversity of Small Dinosaurs
May 7, 2013 — Scientists have named a new species of bone-headed dinosaur (pachycephalosaur) from Alberta, Canada. Acrotholus audeti (Ack-RHO-tho-LUS) was identified from both recently discovered and historically collected fossils. Approximately six feet long and weighing about 40 kilograms in life, the newly identified plant-eating dinosaur represents the oldest bone-headed dinosaur in North America, and possibly the world.
The Science Guy takes on creationism
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What is the definition of insanity? Let me take a stab at it...1. spending your whole life trying to prove there is no God, it can never be proven, or you would be smarter than God now wouldn't you...That's insanity...2. Going to church and not believing in God, that's insanity, Plenty just think going to church and fooling everyone Makes you Righteous or Holy...God knows everything...Karma works, it's a gift from God, you can't fool him, Torment, Nightmares, anxiety, and paranoia are all gifts from God, they guide you away from darkness, or you get used to it, and live a preview of hell. You have free will, yet your actions against others you must be accountable, it's only fair...
3. Since God is a one on one relationship, to judge others, your playing God and that will never work...You will destroy yourself thru your own judgement of others...Insanity.
4. Every time you label yourself as something, your are entering a cult...Democrat, Republican, Liberal, Tea Party, Gay and Lesbian, KKK, Cribs, bloods, Americans...That's where all the insanity starts...I Believe in God...You can call me a Christian if you want...But that is trying to put me into a box and label me...Now you think you have the power to judge me, since you think i am a Christian...Now everything a Christian has done in history i can be persecuted for ...that's INSANITY...So Label, Judge all you want...it's a form of torturing yourself...once you understand this, you become Enlightened...And then you will understand God is Love...and that is all that matters...Spread LOVE...Spread God...
Free speech helps educate the masses................politicians too !
Where do morals come from?
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Gravity is not up for debate !
BY the way ...................Splat goes a fairy in the sky !...............bye bye tinker bell !
Einstein's Gravity Theory Passes Toughest Test Yet
Apr. 25, 2013 — A strange stellar pair nearly 7,000 light-years from Earth has provided physicists with a unique cosmic laboratory for studying the nature of gravity. The extremely strong gravity of a massive neutron star in orbit with a companion white dwarf star puts competing theories of gravity to a test more stringent than any available before
Hey James Madison................religion has none it looks like.............with the comments on this blog.
The Big question is ETHICS ! does religion have any ?
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Dinosaur Egg Study Supports Evolutionary Link Between Birds and Dinosaurs: How Troodon Likely Hatched Its Young
And NO ANGELS the pope KICKED them OFF the TEAM last year !
From Soup to Cells—the Origin of Life
the wrong path is Adam and Eve !
Human Y Chromosome Much Older Than Previously Thought
Mar. 4, 2013 — The discovery and analysis of an extremely rare African American Y chromosome pushes back the time of the most recent common ancestor for the Y chromosome lineage tree to 338,000 years ago. This time predates the age of the oldest known anatomically modern human fossils.
No god(s) needed or required to graduate from public schools in the US
Remember : Adam had to POKE himself hard with his OWN BONE to create Eve.
No god(s) needed................... Old. DNA works..................also catches crooks !
Ancient DNA Reveals Europe's Dynamic Genetic History
Apr. 23, 2013 — Ancient DNA recovered from a series of skeletons in central Germany up to 7,500 years old has been used to reconstruct the first detailed genetic history of modern Europe.
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Good stuff !
The fact...............the earth is to old for this nonsemse ! Time to EVOLVE !
Ancient Earth Crust Stored in Deep Mantle
Apr. 24, 2013 — Scientists have long believed that lava erupted from certain oceanic volcanoes contains materials from the early Earth's crust. But decisive evidence for this phenomenon has proven elusive. New research from a team including Carnegie's Erik Hauri demonstrates that oceanic volcanic rocks contain samples of recycled crust dating back to the Archean era 2.5 billion years ago. Their work is published in Nature.
For what...................... ? Make sure to read what the pope said !
Learning is fun with facts.......................... and facts work when teaching children.
Atheist Prof. Peter Higgs: Stop calling Higgs boson the ‘God particle’
Professor Peter Higgs said recently that there is no God and so people should stop referring to the theoretical partial that
bears his name as the “God particle.”
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NASA: Mars could have supported life
Star Dust we are
Don't believe in God, but haranguing a family in their bleakest hour after losing their kid is not only sick, but won't get anyone worthwhile to rush to your cause.
One sect calls homosexuality an abomination while the next one (over 4,000,000 members) in the same denomination is already performing gay marriage.
One sect, the Westboro Baptist Church believes Americans are being killed at war because America is too kind to "fags".
One sect believes women to be subservient, while another sect in the same denomination promotes equality between the sexes.
One sect believes that Jesus and Satan were brothers and that Christ will return to Jerusalem AND Jackson County, Missouri.
Some believe the Pope is the Anti-Christ. Some believe Obama is the Anti-Christ.
Some believe that celibacy is the only option for certain people, or for people in certain positions. Many of the people from these same institutions advocate against abortion, but pretend not to understand the realistic benefit of the morning after pill or even basic contraception; their unrealistic wishful thinking is causing the death of many at the hands of disease.
In the U.S. recently we learned of the head of Lutheran CMS chastising a minister of that church for participating in a joint service for the victims of the Newtown school shooting.
Conflicted right from the very beginning, Christianity continues to splinter and create more extreme divisions as time goes by, constantly subjecting others in its crossfire.
wow, you showed them. Most people that matter still hate your guts. Tough luck munroe.
Prayer changes things
Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!
"Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things"
That's why the data, has shown that atheists have happier and healthier lives than conservative Christians. Your post is built on a lie!
Rick Warren danced with the devil...He pushes Christlam which is pure blasphemy...saying GOD is the same as Muhammas/Allah. Warren is a traitor to God and Christians everywhere. My God is a loving awesome God....Warren needs to read the Koran to see Allah glorifies death and condones cruelness to women and gays. Muslims get to their heaven by killing us infidels. I am surprised Warren has any true Bible reading followers left... Sorry about his son....
But maybe he shouldn't commit blasphemy against the real God who gave HIS son for HIM !
................facts work best for teaching children !
Evolution wins hands down ..........time for god(s) to get the HELL out of the way................so humanity can evolve !
Source listed above is better than the bible's
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And your point would be what?
science, no point.
And I'll betcha it's still easier to obtain a gun than a cyanide pill.
Jesus is a mythological piece of shít and Christians are delusional fools for following that bástard.
From the early days of human history we have seen one ideological movement after another rise, inspire, become corrupted by political and other power brokers, attract huge numbers of mindless followers who are trying to fill the empty hole in their pointless lives , and then ultimately disappear in a corrupt mess. Some are more successful and long lasting than others . This same story has happened again and again and again and........ Wake up. This is just part of human nature. And if you think atheism or secularism will be any different, you must be smoking a particularly good brand of pot, because you're deluded. We have already seen the first signs , the political takeover with radical Communism and Secularism. Now we see their new Pope emerge , Pope Dawkins and there real masters, the media and publishing industry are licking their lips in anticipation. Just role over and go back to sleep.
Fvck Rick Warren. The pain and suffering he has caused to so many negates any compassion I would have for him. I feel sorry for his son and the obvious torment he was going through in his mind. I wish he would never have killed himself but for his own sake not for any feelings of compassion for his vile father.
Whatever one may think of Pastor Warren, the pain he and his family are going through is immeasurable; to lose a child is absolute heartbreak.
My condolences to pastor Warren and his wife. I am so sorry.
Hey Science, thanks for the l i n k!!
Also, I can not pass this up:
Don't you think that is "Divine Intervention" that Professor Peter Higgs made a mistake by calling it the "G o d d a m n Particle" so it would end up being called the "God Particle?!" In other words, God is in control!!!
What do you think?!
Are you serious?
Jesus H Christ....
I think you're clutching at straws. There is no evidence of a god.
Hey Vic ...................... 0 = 0 Be happy you have an ass that creates mass.
And we think we're so much more civilized than the Nazis were. It takes very little to turn us into monsters.
Being an asshat and supporting genocide are not the same thing
Not exactly Rick Warren, "Father forgive them, for they don't know what they're doing."
…you know EXACTLY what your doing when yo pray to a non–existent God and reap a vast fortune of $25Million from your sheeple, and anti-gay hate speak.
Your son's suicide sadly, likely has a lot of connection to your religion; it's intolerance, its oppression.
A lot of the hate may have come from people who thought Rick Warren is a swindler, using religion only to make money.
Others are just so anti-christian they really do like seeing christians suffer.
Not all we athiests are decent human beings.
I'm an atheist and live a code of honesty, integrtiy and educating and thinking for myself and quite frankly I am the most honest, decent person I've known and my friends say I "have one of the purest hearts" of anyone he's known (and he's a "spritual" Christian from GA).
Many of the Christians, or other religious people I have worked with I cannot say the same about.
PS I'm a 99.99% atheist, but if their is a God, it isn;t any of these foolish creations we came up with.
Hey Vic you looking for this
Professor Peter Higgs said recently that there is no God and so people should stop referring to the theoretical partial that
bears his name as the “God particle.”
It was his crude naming that resulted in the term God particle to begin with. He can contemplate the irony.
You asked me questions a few days ago on
Just thought you'd like to read the response.
I don't know but if u could please clarify. Are you good according as most religious people you know behave or you are good because that makes you happy. It helps not to compete for good guy of the month cos if you are so good then you just don't have to.
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