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Pope Francis graduated as a chemical technician before moving on to study philosophy, psychology and theology.
April 11th, 2013
03:13 PM ET

Vatican seeks to rebrand its relationship with science

By Florence Davey-Attlee, CNN

(CNN) - Dropping to his knees before the 10 cardinals of the Inquisition, dressed in the white shirt of penitence, Galileo Galilei was forced to retract his "heretic" theory that the Earth moved around the Sun. Threatened with torture and interrogated for 18 days, the scientist, who was imprisoned in the 17th century, promised to never again teach the theory and spent the rest of his life under house arrest in his small farmhouse outside of Florence.

Galileo's fate was very different from that of other scientists at the time of the Inquisition. Some were executed for threatening the church's teachings. Italian astronomer Giordano Bruno, an Italian philosopher who argued that the universe was infinite, was burned at the stake.

Now in 2013, as Pope Francis settles into his new role as leader of the Catholic Church, the Vatican's head of science is urging a re-think of the "mischaracterization" of the relationship between the church and science.

The Vatican would like the world to see how much this relationship has changed.

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- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. Science

    Free speech helps educate the masses................POLITICIANS too !

    Where do morals come from?

    By Kelly Murray, CNN

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/12/where-do-morals-come-from/#comments

    Gravity is not up for debate !

    BY the way ...................Splat goes a fairy in the sky !...............bye bye tinker bell !

    Einstein's Gravity Theory Passes Toughest Test Yet

    Apr. 25, 2013 — A strange stellar pair nearly 7,000 light-years from Earth has provided physicists with a unique cosmic laboratory for studying the nature of gravity. The extremely strong gravity of a massive neutron star in orbit with a companion white dwarf star puts competing theories of gravity to a test more stringent than any available before

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130425142250.htm

    Hey James Madison................religion has none it looks like.............with the comments on this blog.

    The Big question is ETHICS ! does religion have any ?

    The Ethics of Resurrecting Extinct Species

    Apr. 8, 2013 — At some point, scientists may be able to bring back extinct animals, and perhaps early humans, raising questions of ethics and environmental disruption.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130408165955.htm

    April 30, 2013 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |

    May 1, 2013 at 12:42 pm | Report abuse |

    Dinosaur Egg Study Supports Evolutionary Link Between Birds and Dinosaurs: How Troodon Likely Hatched Its Young

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130418104324.htm

    And NO ANGELS the pope KICKED them OFF the TEAM last year !

    From Soup to Cells—the Origin of Life

    http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2aOriginoflife.shtml

    the wrong path is Adam and Eve !

    Human Y Chromosome Much Older Than Previously Thought

    Mar. 4, 2013 — The discovery and analysis of an extremely rare African American Y chromosome pushes back the time of the most recent common ancestor for the Y chromosome lineage tree to 338,000 years ago. This time predates the age of the oldest known anatomically modern human fossils.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130305145821.htm

    No god(s) needed or required to graduate from public schools in the US

    Remember : Adam had to POKE himself hard with his OWN BONE to create Eve.

    No god(s) needed................... Old. DNA works..................also catches crooks !

    Ancient DNA Reveals Europe's Dynamic Genetic History

    Apr. 23, 2013 — Ancient DNA recovered from a series of skeletons in central Germany up to 7,500 years old has been used to reconstruct the first detailed genetic history of modern Europe.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130423134037.htm

    Ca-nabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®) – National Cancer Insti-tute

    http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/.../page4

    Mar 21, 2013 – [1,2] These plant-derived compounds may be referred to as phytocannabinoids. ... have a protective effect against the development of certain types of tumors. ... In lung cancer cell lines, CBD upregulated ICAM-1, leading to ...

    Good stuff !

    The fact...............the earth is to old for this nonsemse ! Time to EVOLVE !

    Ancient Earth Crust Stored in Deep Mantle

    Apr. 24, 2013 — Scientists have long believed that lava erupted from certain oceanic volcanoes contains materials from the early Earth's crust. But decisive evidence for this phenomenon has proven elusive. New research from a team including Carnegie's Erik Hauri demonstrates that oceanic volcanic rocks contain samples of recycled crust dating back to the Archean era 2.5 billion years ago. Their work is published in Nature.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130424132705.htm

    For what...................... ? Make sure to read what the pope said !

    Where do morals come from?

    By Kelly Murray, CNN

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/

    Learning is fun with facts.......................... and facts work when teaching children.

    Atheist Prof. Peter Higgs: Stop calling Higgs boson the ‘God particle’

    Professor Peter Higgs said recently that there is no God and so people should stop referring to the theoretical partial that
    bears his name as the “God particle.”

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/08/atheist-prof-peter-higgs-stop-calling-higgs-bosen-the-god-particle/

    Pope praises science, but insists God created world updated Thur October 28, 2010
    Stephen Hawking is wrong, Pope Benedict XVI said Thursday – God did create the universe. The pope didn't actually mention the world-famous scientist, who argues in a book published last month that the laws of physics show there is no need for a supreme... \

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/28/pope-praises-science-but-insists-god-created-world/

    Science

    Heaven is 'a fairy story,' scientist Stephen Hawking says updated Tue May 17, 2011
    By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor The concept of heaven or any kind of afterlife is a "fairy story," famed British scientist Stephen Hawking said in a newspaper interview this week. "I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when...

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/17/heaven-is-a-fairy-story-scientist-stephen-hawking-says/

    April 7th, 2012

    08:32 PM ET

    The Jesus debate: Man vs. myth

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/07/the-jesus-debate-man-vs-myth/comment-page-137/#comment-2281915

    Make sure to read comments

    April 18, 2013 at 3:10 pm | Report abuse |

    Breaking News

    NASA: Three planets found are some of best candidates so far for habitable worlds outside our solar system.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/18/us/planet-discovery/index.html

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  2. Rene Wolf

    Horn and Putnam ought to be ashamed. They are trying to profit off of unwarranted anti-Catholic paranoia. As J. D. Leavitt has already made clear ("Heretically Orthodox," 2013), the Vatican has publicly addressed the issue of the possibility of extraterrestrials in recent years. Their statement on the matter remains that their existence would not be theologically threatening, that they might not necessarily have a fallen nature in need of salvation, and that any with a fallen nature would be able to find salvation in Jesus Christ.

    May 3, 2013 at 12:33 am |
  3. Science

    The fact...............the earth is to old for this nonsemse ! Time to EVOLVE !

    Ancient Earth Crust Stored in Deep Mantle

    Apr. 24, 2013 — Scientists have long believed that lava erupted from certain oceanic volcanoes contains materials from the early Earth's crust. But decisive evidence for this phenomenon has proven elusive. New research from a team including Carnegie's Erik Hauri demonstrates that oceanic volcanic rocks contain samples of recycled crust dating back to the Archean era 2.5 billion years ago. Their work is published in Nature.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130424132705.htm

    April 25, 2013 at 7:02 am |
    • Austin

      science, all you are doing is decreasing in wisdom while you worship knowledge. If you think God doesn exist because of science you are deceiving yourself.

      The Work of the Holy Spirit

      26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. 27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.

      April 25, 2013 at 7:35 am |
    • Science

      Austin .................And laws of association makes it part of the devil's cults too ...........does it not ?

      April 25, 2013 at 7:41 am |
    • Austin

      well considering the spiritual nature and type of worship involved in your community , yes, you are engaging a demonic cult.

      April 25, 2013 at 7:43 am |
    • Science

      No not me it belongs to the chuech they created it !

      Peace

      Have a great life in that cult of yours !

      April 25, 2013 at 7:48 am |
    • Science

      Oops ......church

      April 25, 2013 at 8:08 am |
    • Science

      And the fake origin story right Austin ? Education, does it work for you Austin ?

      From Soup to Cells—the Origin of Life

      http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2aOriginoflife.shtml

      April 28, 2013 at 7:02 am |
  4. misstc

    Has anyone here read "EXO-VATICANA"?? I just started reading it and my biggest question is WHY is the Vatican soooo interested in outer space and ET's? The Vatican has two observatories; one in Rome near the Vatican and one in Tucson, AZ (one telescope is called Lucifer). What's even stranger is that the Franciscans run it, way before this pope became Francis.

    April 16, 2013 at 4:05 pm |
    • Awesome

      I love stuff like that, alien conspiracies and all. The more you read the more there is.

      April 17, 2013 at 7:08 am |
    • Science

      Backfill !!!

      ................facts work best for teaching children !

      Evolution wins hands down ..........time for god(s) to get the HELL out of the way................so humanity can evolve !

      Dinosaur Egg Study Supports Evolutionary Link Between Birds and Dinosaurs: How Troodon Likely Hatched Its Young

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130418104324.htm

      Source listed above is better than the bible's

      April 21, 2013 at 7:36 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      The vatican observatory started out as the vaticans way of trying to control the spin on any scientific discoveries. To this day much of what they come up with is tainted by the god bias, and really aren't considered authorities in any sciences.

      April 25, 2013 at 7:17 am |
    • Austin

      Ya and on the interview with Sid Roth, Tom Horn, author of exo vaticana uses the Malachi Prophecy and then further testifies the He (or his sister) was abducted. So can you believe anything the guy says now? you would have to believe in ufo's.

      Exovaticana is about the catholic church, the final false prophet pope disclosing that Aliens are superior and are arriving. This is an antichrist movement according to Horn.

      If he is lying about being abducted he is a false prophet from 2 Peter seeking money.

      April 25, 2013 at 7:29 am |
    • Austin

      all the secret infomation from Horn borderlines the a definition of a cult, "revolving around information not readily available to the mainstream.

      April 25, 2013 at 7:32 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      Austin

      There are thousands of people who sincerely believe in UFO's. Many others who are convinced that Bigfoot is real. Uncounted others who believe every manner of conspiracy theory. All without any credible evidence to support their claims
      Very few are purposely telling lies. They are simply incorrect in their assumptions about their experiences. So you tell us about your dream experiences and wonder why we don't accept what you claim? When people experience things that they can't easily explain they fill in the blanks with their imagination and in the case of religious people with divine revelation. If you so easily dismiss the UFO nuts then don't be surprised that we dismiss the kinds of claims made by people like you.

      April 25, 2013 at 7:43 am |
    • Austin

      I dismissed and hated the resurrection, and for some reason God has given me faith. A great faith. God is a supernatural power he transcends a physical body. His power is awesome and awful.

      I have not dismissed the UFO thing. I am only warning yall, Tom Horn is selling books and raking in the dough. I personally read his book "Apoloyon rising." that book really did it for me when it comes to the Mason's. But this is different subject matter than to claim a walk in by a demonic alien and then to say you have information about the fulfillment of major prophecy and to be selling books about it. that thought makes me want to vomit.. Horn went to books about 2012 to this Malachi thing with a book, the two both talking about the aliens which is a sequel to his version of "watchers" from Genesis 6 and the book of Enoch.

      IDK I am very susp.icious but if the vatican starts talking about UFO's then I guess Horn is right. and if they mislead the public on submission and following aliens then we will know that that particular denominations adherence to old earth science is crap too.

      April 25, 2013 at 7:55 am |
    • Austin

      atheist steve, I genuinely want to plead to you to think about the sequence of events that took place with my dreams and reflect on who God is.

      I was dreaming about scripture that i had no recollection of , before I read it, THE night before I read it i wold dream about point blank details. Then I judged a group of guys I was mad at. I thought to myself "i wonder if they have the light in their eyes", and the next morning, on of the kids came up and said "i dreamed last night that people were possessed and the only way to find out was to go around and look to see if there was a "light in their eye"

      22 “The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are healthy,[c] your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eyes are unhealthy,[d] your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

      This kid was not a student of the bible. I had been studying these verses. this was a spiritual transmission.

      Then, I had written down a dream at night about a house i toured with an above ground pool with a privacy fence around it. two days later, this kid pulled out a blue print he drew of a house, with an above ground pool with a privacy fence around it.

      Dont you understand?

      April 25, 2013 at 8:03 am |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care!

      Austin,

      Your god is just one more bigfoot or Loch Ness monster. No evidence for it but way to many people who believe in it. You are no different than those people who believe that they were abducted by aliens. You have no explanation for what you believe so you make up a reason.

      Just to let you know, quoting from your big book of multiple choice has NO authority at all. NONE.

      April 25, 2013 at 8:08 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      You don't dismiss the UFO thing? Then you believe we have been visited by aliens? If not now then some time in the past?

      Let me clear this up for you.
      We have not been visited by aliens from another planet. The distances are too vast and the occurrence of life supporting planets too dispersed. We've been searching using SETI for signals to no avail and our own radio signature has barely reached the nearest stars to our own, approx. 60 light years out, so nobody out there has listened to us.
      Don't get me wrong. The universe is vast in the extreme. Wherever life can be supported it probably has emerged. Some tiny percentage of these might have developed intelligent life. Perhaps millions of them scattered among the billions of galaxies.
      It took us over 4 billion years to get off our own planet and only to reach our pitifully close moon. If alien life has left its own planet to explore they would likely head inward toward the galactic center where the density of stars and planets offers more opportunity for discovery. Not out here in the sparsely populated galactic arm.
      Face it. So far we are and have always been alone.

      April 25, 2013 at 8:22 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      Austin

      All I'm sure of is that you've convinced yourself that your dreams and experiences have meaning to you. All I see are instances of deja vu.
      The mind is incredibly complex and our sub conscience can make us create links where none exist. You claim seeing a Bible verse before reading it but can you be certain you didn't encounter some time earlier in your life? Memory is extremely fickle and unreliable.
      All I can say for certain is that I have never experienced anything that I could classify as supernatural. Never seen a ghost, never heard disembodied voices, never observed an event that couldn't be explained by natural means. I'm 50 years old and nothing "miraculous" has ever happened to or around me and that includes when I was a believing Catholic.
      Your subjective experience may have convinced you but until something similar happens to me I remain unconvinced.

      April 25, 2013 at 8:44 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      Not only that Austin. If something happened to me that I could not explain I still wouldn't jump to a conclusion that it was supernatural. I would first consider that there is a natural explanation that I haven't encountered yet. Then I would do research to find that explanation. If I still couldn't find a natural cause then I would file it away as something unknown. Jumping to the "god did it" answer is just a way to stop looking for a rational explanation and fails utterly at giving any real answers.

      April 25, 2013 at 8:55 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      Austin

      HBO has a new season of Brain Games. It's a TV show that demonstrates just how unreliable our perceptions are. Our brain can fool us into seeing and hearing things that are not there. We can also be fooled into completely missing things that are blatantly obvious. I highly recommend this program for anyone who wants to learn more about our brain and how little we can trust what we think we perceive.

      April 25, 2013 at 9:06 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      Oops...not HBO...it's a National Geographic production.

      April 25, 2013 at 9:11 am |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care!

      AtheistSteve,

      Absolutely right. This is a clear case of confirmation bias. Human brains evolved to find patterns in the world. It is a very simple, and very well docu mented, survival tool.

      Love Brain Games. Awesome show!

      April 25, 2013 at 9:15 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      Honey Badger Don't Care!

      Yes. Confimation bias and Sharpshooter fallacy. Remember the hits, forget the misses.

      April 25, 2013 at 9:21 am |
  5. Science

    A review of the facts for the RCC !

    Does the RCC have any ?

    Where do morals come from?

    By Kelly Murray, CNN

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/

    Learning is fun with facts.......................... and facts work when teaching children.

    Atheist Prof. Peter Higgs: Stop calling Higgs boson the ‘God particle’

    Professor Peter Higgs said recently that there is no God and so people should stop referring to the theoretical partial that
    bears his name as the “God particle.”

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/08/atheist-prof-peter-higgs-stop-calling-higgs-bosen-the-god-particle/

    Pope praises science, but insists God created world updated Thur October 28, 2010
    Stephen Hawking is wrong, Pope Benedict XVI said Thursday – God did create the universe. The pope didn't actually mention the world-famous scientist, who argues in a book published last month that the laws of physics show there is no need for a supreme... \

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/28/pope-praises-science-but-insists-god-created-world/

    Science

    Heaven is 'a fairy story,' scientist Stephen Hawking says updated Tue May 17, 2011
    By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor The concept of heaven or any kind of afterlife is a "fairy story," famed British scientist Stephen Hawking said in a newspaper interview this week. "I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when...

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/17/heaven-is-a-fairy-story-scientist-stephen-hawking-says/

    April 7th, 2012

    08:32 PM ET

    The Jesus debate: Man vs. myth

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/07/the-jesus-debate-man-vs-myth/comment-page-137/#comment-2281915

    A wedge !

    April 14, 2013 at 9:03 am |
    • Atheist, me?

      Silly wabbit!

      April 16, 2013 at 9:06 am |
    • Sophia

      Well, the pope believes that the Universe was created by eternal God. Hawking believes that the Universe is a result of eternal gravity laws. Science is about proving it, and I haven't seen such science yet.

      April 22, 2013 at 2:06 am |
  6. The Non Believer

    To quote another blogger, "science seeks a restraining order."

    April 12, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
    • Science

      An illusion it is......................Poof goes the dragon ! ( The secrect papers aren't)

      Engineering 'Ghost' Objects: Breakthrough in Scattering Illusion

      Feb. 19, 2013 — A team at the NUS Department of Electrical & Computer Engineering led by Dr Qiu Cheng-Wei has come out with an optical device to "engineer" ghosts.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130219090643.htm

      April 16, 2013 at 8:17 am |
  7. EX catholic

    I can't care less about what the Freak Pope has to say or does! Only Catholics, Idolaters, Papists, Romanists et al care about that.

    April 12, 2013 at 1:56 pm |
  8. sam strickland

    THE CHURCH WILL DO EVERYTHING IT CAN TO CONTINUE FOOLING THE BRAINWASHED ,DELUSIONAL MASSES OF PEOPLE.ONE DAY THEY WILL RUN OUT OF THEIR ABILITY TO CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT IMAGINARY GODS,BIG FISH,DEVILS EXIST.. WAKE UP PEOPLE.

    April 12, 2013 at 1:15 pm |
  9. catholic engineer

    The peers of Galileo were like scientists today – they had their minds made up and closed. They refused to look through Galileo's telescope because they already "knew" what they would see. On the other hand:

    From Wikipedia – The Jesuits have made numerous significant contributions to the development of science. The Jesuits have dedicated significant study to earthquakes, and seismology has been described as "the Jesuit science." The Jesuits have been described as "the single most important contributor to experimental physics in the seventeenth century.

    The Big Bang was first proposed by Georges Lemaitre, a Belgian catholic priest. Lemaitre convinced Albert Einstein that the universe was not static.

    Gregor Mendel was an Augustinian catholic monk who became the founder of modern genetic science.

    There are many other examples, but atheists view scientists as prophets and genuflect before them. They ignore such history because its safer with one's head in the sand.

    April 12, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
    • Bostontola

      You are just plain wrong. Scientists recognize the valuable contribution of religious people. Muslims were particularly important contributors to science and development of the scientific method.

      A particular scientist may be biased. History has proven that scientists as a group are skeptical and will question other scientists' findings to flush out errors over time. That's why science is the single most successful human endeavor. Do you think we could send robots out of our solar system, develop nuclear magnetic resonance machines, gigabit Internet, etc if science was founded on quicksand?

      It is religion that is mired in unquestionable dogma. As long as there is dogma, religion will continue to become more and more marginalized. Get real dude.

      April 12, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
    • catholic engineer

      @Bostontola You've forgotten something: human nature. After two hundred years of scientific discovery and technological acheivement, the twentieth century was supposed to be the Great Age of Reason with religion shoved aside. Instead, science gave us the meat grinder of WW1, the atom and hydrogen bombs, the cold war, Chernobyl and Fukoshima. From 1932 until 1972, secular scientists funded by secular a secular government conducted the unconscionable Tuskeegee Syphillis Experiments. And you surely know about Hitler and his Social Darwinism which produced the Holocaust.

      Science is not going to save us by itself. You have to ask, "In whose hands will it save us?"

      April 12, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      There are plenty of incredibly smart people who believe in a god. Catholic scientists have contributed to our understanding of how the world works....but....they didn't use religion to prove anything....and.....they did not prove any of their religios beliefs as being true. Their religious beliefs were beside the point. If I accepted your arguement I would be justified in believing in alchemy because Isaac Newton did.

      April 12, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
    • Bostontola

      I didn't forget about human nature. As I said, while some scientists could be biased or worse, others will check them. Many scientists protested nuclear weapons as an example. I don't think you want to appeal to the immorality of scientists when the Catholic Church is mired in a pedophilia scandal of immense proportions. Not only did leaders of the church violate the most vulnerable of their flock that trusted them, they then didn't have enough honor to admit it and correct it, they covered it up and even moved criminals to new areas where the abuse continued. Ouch.

      April 12, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
    • Akira

      "There are many other examples, but atheists view scientists as prophets and genuflect before them."

      Lol. No, no they don't. Genuflecting is a Catholic thing, anyway...and your broad use of "Atheists believe..." blah blah is just as erroneous as someone saying "Catholics believe pedophilia is a-ok."
      See how easy it is to make sweeping generalizations based on the conduct of a few?

      April 12, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
    • Science

      Hey CE are you as smart as 5th grader ? ....................also the RCC ?

      Listening to the Big Bang - In High Fidelity

      Apr. 4, 2013 — A decade ago, spurred by a question for a fifth-grade science project, University of Washington physicist John Cramer devised an audio recreation of the Big Bang that started our universe nearly 14 billion years ago.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130404170154.htm

      April 15, 2013 at 7:03 am |
  10. The truth claim...

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU5qgQPPRUM&w=640&h=390]

    April 12, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
    • Bourdain

      Great responses by Ravi , as usual!

      April 12, 2013 at 12:09 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Yep, he makes a lot of "truth" claims all right....not that he can demonstrate them...he is another apologist that makes the arguement "If you can't prove me wrong, I am justified in my belief". I don't find his point compelling.

      April 12, 2013 at 2:12 pm |
  11. the AnViL™

    the rcc wants to be pals with science. lol

    the rcc should be destroyed, the vatican razed, its adherents scattered, and the entirety of its clergy burned on great pyres of the roman catholic canon.

    seriously.

    science vs religion:

    over 500 years of science using evidence to dispel the areas of human ignorance once occupied by religious idiocy... never once – ever – uncovering any supernatural means to ANYTHING.

    not one supernatural claim ever supported. every testable supernatural claim firmly debunked.

    religion always bends to science – never the other way around.
    through history – never once has science bent to religion – never once – ever.

    religion has always been bent, bashed, broken, bludgeoned, and beaten by science.

    never any exceptions – ever.

    the answers of the great questions of life will never come from any religion.

    only the truly ignorant fail to understand – monotheistic religions are the true force of darkness in this world..

    and science is our only illumination.

    April 12, 2013 at 11:41 am |
    • catholic engineer

      "not one supernatural claim ever supported. every testable supernatural claim firmly debunked". Some things are so obvious they can't be noticed. Here's what you should have noticed. All scientific discovery comes from observing the Natural universe, using Natural instruments which enhance our Natural five senses. Such things would be useless when applied to anything SUPERnatural. A scientific proof of God would be worthless. It's doubtful you would even recognize evidence for God's existence.

      April 12, 2013 at 12:26 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      If all we have is our five senses to take in information and therefore cannot detect the supernatural..... man is not justified in claiming supernatural causes for anything. Yet religion claims knowledge you admit it can't have....your arguement contradicts itself.

      April 12, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
  12. Doc Vestibule

    Dr. Greg Graffin's PHD thesis was a study of the att/itudes of the world's leading evolutionary biologists regarding religion.

    "Well, if you ask the leading evolutionary biologists in the world the following question, 'Is evolution at war with religion?,' according to my study you will find that only 10% of them believe that religion and evolution are incompatible. This means that the majority, in fact 87% of the participants in my study, 87% of them find some way to make religion compatible with the tenets of evolution. And my study was based on a questionnaire that was sent out to 22 different countries, to members of national academies of science who expressed research interests in evolutionary biology. And most of them believe that religion is an adaptation, in other words, religion is a part of evolution, not religion is something given to us from God, but rather, religion was manufactured by humankind."

    " I would say that the naturalist worldview expressed by these evolutionary biologists is not very kind to traditional theology, because it sees theology as subordinate to evolutionary biology. You cannot understand religion unless you see it as an adaptation, and of course to understand adaptation, you have to be firmly grounded in evolutionary biology. So in a sense, theology takes a back seat to evolutionary biology. Hence, one of my conclusions of the study, and that is that the world's leading evolutionary biologists find no conflict between evolution and religion on one condition, and that condition is simply that what they call religion is a severely debased form of traditional theology that is fundamentally atheistic in tone. My study reveals that the worldview of these scientists is so different from traditional theology in that no gods exist for them, there is no such thing as the incorporeal spirit or soul, there is no life after death — all of the things that are held most passionately by traditional theology, all of them have to be abandoned. And if that condition is met, then religion is perfectly harmonious with the tenets of evolution. The only way to find compatibility in such a worldview is by accepting a religion with no authority on the most meaningful matters of human existence. For that, we have sociobiology, or evolutionary biology, and that, to me, is offensive to most theologically-minded people."

    April 12, 2013 at 11:01 am |
  13. Honey Badger Don't Care!

    Anyone who believes this religious garbage is disconnected from reality. We need to move away from these ancient myths and embrace science so that the human race can finally advance.

    Without religion we would probably have colonized other star systems by now.

    April 12, 2013 at 9:05 am |
    • catholic engineer

      ancient myths? Before man asked "what" he was he asked "who" he was. Early man used myth to explain himself to himself. Myth was the first attempt at science. Darwin arrived. Darwin explained that we are not a "who" but a "what" – a mere organism. Evolution has apparently produced a freak – humans. Blind, dumb nature developed a creature which looks for meaning when there is none; it thinks it has destiny when it has none.

      April 12, 2013 at 10:46 am |
    • Bostontola

      I am an atheist, but your assertion and conclusion are unscientific and contrary to the evidence. Mankind's advancement has been at a dizzying pace with religion.

      April 12, 2013 at 10:50 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Catholic Engineer,

      I will change my mind and agree a god planned all this when you present some sort of verifiable demonstrable evidence instead of the "well it makes me feel better if there is a god" arguement.

      April 12, 2013 at 10:57 am |
    • catholic engineer

      @ Blessed are the Cheesemakers
      I didn't express or imply the argument you suggest. You have made an erroneous assumption. Erroneous assumptions are dangerous to science.

      April 12, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Catholic Engineer,

      You absolutely implied the arguement when you stated...

      "Evolution has apparently produced a freak – humans. Blind, dumb nature developed a creature which looks for meaning when there is none; it thinks it has destiny when it has none."

      I don't think you are being honest.

      April 12, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
    • Science

      Hey CE.................. good stuff you should read this maybe ?

      Origin of Life: Power Behind Primordial Soup Discovered

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130404122234.htm

      April 12, 2013 at 1:29 pm |
    • Grampa's mayan calendar

      Scuse me but who are you to tell me or anybody else what they need to do. If I want to wave inscence over a dead cat under a full moon it's nobody's business but my own, sorry.

      April 14, 2013 at 11:13 pm |
  14. Reality

    What Francis can do the rectify the science-Christianity divide? Change the Apostles' Creed to the following:

    Only for the new members of this blog:

    The Apostles'/Agnostics’ Creed 2013: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
    and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen
    (references used are available upon request)

    Of course by adopting the updated Creed, Francis the First would make his papacy the last which is a good thing for all concerned.

    April 12, 2013 at 8:03 am |
  15. USMC 1371

    Dropping to his knees in front of ten men. I would bet this is not the first time for him well maybe with clothes on.

    April 12, 2013 at 6:53 am |
  16. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things,

    April 12, 2013 at 5:55 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      April 12, 2013 at 11:26 am |
    • Really?

      "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things"

      That's why the data, has shown that atheists have happier and healthier lives than conservative Christians. Your post is built on a lie!

      April 12, 2013 at 11:32 am |
  17. Saraswati

    lol...as long as they ignore modern psychological research on hom'os'exuality and se'x and modern public health research on condom use and AIDS no one is going to take this kind of BS seriously.

    April 11, 2013 at 11:18 pm |
    • Throb Johnson

      I get a giggle out of the implicit "Oooops! Not quite so infallible" aspect of it.

      April 11, 2013 at 11:36 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      What is funny is that the Church thinks defining its dogma as to minimally conflict with scientific knowledge so that it is not falsifiable somehow confirms their BS. They just shoehorn it to fit and then want a "pat one the back".

      April 11, 2013 at 11:37 pm |
    • Saraswati

      @Cheese, yeah, it's kind of a sad/funny mix.

      April 11, 2013 at 11:54 pm |
    • Schoolmarm

      Exactly, Saraswati.
      They're trying to "re-brand".
      I think it'd be rather amusing, except for all the damage they cause.

      April 12, 2013 at 1:48 am |
    • Science

      Well they better hurry up ?

      Hey SeanF you can spread the message too

      Atheist Prof. Peter Higgs: Stop calling Higgs boson the ‘God particle’

      Professor Peter Higgs said recently that there is no God and so people should stop referring to the theoretical partial that
      bears his name as the “God particle.”

      http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/08/atheist-prof-peter-higgs-stop-calling-higgs-bosen-the-god-particle/

      April 12, 2013 at 6:25 am |
    • Science

      The Ethics of Resurrecting Extinct Species.................... and we know condoms work .

      Apr. 8, 2013 — At some point, scientists may be able to bring back extinct animals, and perhaps early humans, raising questions of ethics and environmental disruption.

      "Bringing back a hominid raises the question, 'Is it a person?' If we bring back a mammoth or pigeon, there's a very good existing ethical and legal framework for how to treat research animals. We don't have very good ethical considerations of creating and keeping a person in a lab," said Sherkow. "That's a far cry from the type of de-extinction programs going on now, but it highlights the slippery slope problem that ethicists are famous for considering."

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130408165955.htm

      April 12, 2013 at 9:16 am |
    • the AnViL™

      ...no one is going to take this kind of BS seriously.

      actually – well over half of americans will take this kind of BS seriously.

      April 12, 2013 at 11:46 am |
    • Science

      Maybe the RCC is behind the 8 ball on re-branding

      The soup is hot aye? Plus the fossil ?

      good stuff you should read this maybe ?

      Origin of Life: Power Behind Primordial Soup Discovered

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130404122234.htm

      Unusual Anal Fin Offers New Insight Into Evolution

      Apr. 10, 2013 — An unusual fossil fish that has fins behind its anus

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130410082201.htm

      April 12, 2013 at 3:04 pm |
    • Chad

      @Saraswati "lol...as long as they ignore modern psychological research on hom'os'exuality and se'x and modern public health research on condom use and AIDS no one is going to take this kind of BS seriously."

      =>odd post from someone that purportedly does not believe in free will. According to the atheist view, we are all merely doing what the "universe" programmed us to do. Making your condemnation immoral..

      April 12, 2013 at 7:37 pm |
    • Chad's head wasn't crrrrrrrrrrushed enough for one day??

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t4pmlHRokg&w=640&h=390]

      April 12, 2013 at 7:40 pm |
    • Bob

      Chad(Rachel), you are missing your exercise class. How do you expect to bring that thigh gap into positive territory?

      April 12, 2013 at 7:47 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Chad

      Still going on with that Chad? Considering that you've never actually justified your assertion, I don't think many people will that you seriously.

      April 12, 2013 at 7:52 pm |
  18. The Bobby Fuller Four Clash

    Breakin' rocks in the hot sun
    I fought science and science won
    I fought science and science won
    I needed money 'cause I had nuns
    I fought science and science won
    I fought science and science won

    I left my sanity and it feels so bad
    Guess my race is run
    God's the best delusion that I ever had
    I fought science and science won
    I fought science and science won

    Robbin' people with a guilt trip
    I fought science and science won
    I fought science and science won
    I miss my choirboy and I miss my fun,
    I fought science and science won
    I fought science and science won

    I left my sanity and it feels so bad
    Guess my race is run
    God's the best delusion that I ever had
    I fought science and science won
    I fought science and science won

    April 11, 2013 at 11:13 pm |
    • FreshPrintz89

      lol, the Vatican knows damn well current religion is used to control and blind. Originally spirituality was law, a mixture of theology/ metaphysics/ math/ science, only later was it broken up. Just read some of the Gitas, the match, and theology is there. It even treads into quantum physics.

      April 11, 2013 at 11:53 pm |
    • Science

      Gravity is not up for debate ! ............E = mc2..........(U–Pb).................two math formulas..........that do not lie or sin !!!..........

      Free speech helps educate the masses................POLITICIANS too !

      Where do morals come from?

      By Kelly Murray, CNN

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/12/where-do-morals-come-from/#comments

      Gravity is not up for debate ! ............E = mc2..........(U–Pb).................two math formulas..........that do not lie or sin !!!..........

      BY the way ...................Splat goes a fairy in the sky !...............bye bye tinker bell !

      Einstein's Gravity Theory Passes Toughest Test Yet

      Apr. 25, 2013 — A strange stellar pair nearly 7,000 light-years from Earth has provided physicists with a unique cosmic laboratory for studying the nature of gravity. The extremely strong gravity of a massive neutron star in orbit with a companion white dwarf star puts competing theories of gravity to a test more stringent than any available before

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130425142250.htm

      Hey James Madison................religion has none it looks like.............with the comments on this blog.

      The Big question is ETHICS ! does religion have any ?

      The Ethics of Resurrecting Extinct Species

      Apr. 8, 2013 — At some point, scientists may be able to bring back extinct animals, and perhaps early humans, raising questions of ethics and environmental disruption.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130408165955.htm

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      Dinosaur Egg Study Supports Evolutionary Link Between Birds and Dinosaurs: How Troodon Likely Hatched Its Young

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130418104324.htm

      And NO ANGELS the pope KICKED them OFF the TEAM last year !

      From Soup to Cells—the Origin of Life

      http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2aOriginoflife.shtml

      the wrong path is Adam and Eve !

      Human Y Chromosome Much Older Than Previously Thought

      Mar. 4, 2013 — The discovery and analysis of an extremely rare African American Y chromosome pushes back the time of the most recent common ancestor for the Y chromosome lineage tree to 338,000 years ago. This time predates the age of the oldest known anatomically modern human fossils.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130305145821.htm

      No god(s) needed or required to graduate from public schools in the US

      Remember : Adam had to POKE himself hard with his OWN BONE to create Eve.

      No god(s) needed................... Old. DNA works..................also catches crooks !

      Ancient DNA Reveals Europe's Dynamic Genetic History

      Apr. 23, 2013 — Ancient DNA recovered from a series of skeletons in central Germany up to 7,500 years old has been used to reconstruct the first detailed genetic history of modern Europe.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130423134037.htm

      Ca-nabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®) – National Cancer Insti-tute

      http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/.../page4

      Mar 21, 2013 – [1,2] These plant-derived compounds may be referred to as phytocannabinoids. ... have a protective effect against the development of certain types of tumors. ... In lung cancer cell lines, CBD upregulated ICAM-1, leading to ...

      Good stuff !

      The fact...............the earth is to old for this nonsemse ! Time to EVOLVE !

      Ancient Earth Crust Stored in Deep Mantle

      Apr. 24, 2013 — Scientists have long believed that lava erupted from certain oceanic volcanoes contains materials from the early Earth's crust. But decisive evidence for this phenomenon has proven elusive. New research from a team including Carnegie's Erik Hauri demonstrates that oceanic volcanic rocks contain samples of recycled crust dating back to the Archean era 2.5 billion years ago. Their work is published in Nature.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130424132705.htm

      For what...................... ? Make sure to read what the pope said !

      Where do morals come from?

      By Kelly Murray, CNN

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/

      Learning is fun with facts.......................... and facts work when teaching children.

      Atheist Prof. Peter Higgs: Stop calling Higgs boson the ‘God particle’

      Professor Peter Higgs said recently that there is no God and so people should stop referring to the theoretical partial that
      bears his name as the “God particle.”

      http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/08/atheist-prof-peter-higgs-stop-calling-higgs-bosen-the-god-particle/

      Pope praises science, but insists God created world updated Thur October 28, 2010
      Stephen Hawking is wrong, Pope Benedict XVI said Thursday – God did create the universe. The pope didn't actually mention the world-famous scientist, who argues in a book published last month that the laws of physics show there is no need for a supreme... \

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/28/pope-praises-science-but-insists-god-created-world/

      Science

      Heaven is 'a fairy story,' scientist Stephen Hawking says updated Tue May 17, 2011
      By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor The concept of heaven or any kind of afterlife is a "fairy story," famed British scientist Stephen Hawking said in a newspaper interview this week. "I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when...

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/17/heaven-is-a-fairy-story-scientist-stephen-hawking-says/

      April 7th, 2012

      08:32 PM ET

      The Jesus debate: Man vs. myth

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/07/the-jesus-debate-man-vs-myth/comment-page-137/#comment-2281915

      Make sure to read comments

      April 18, 2013 at 3:10 pm | Report abuse |

      Breaking News

      NASA: Three planets found are some of best candidates so far for habitable worlds outside our solar system.

      http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/18/us/planet-discovery/index.html

      NASA: Mars could have supported life

      Star Dust we are

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWdU_px9ApE&w=640&h=390]

      Holy Hallucinations 35

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XTCRdC8Dlo&w=640&h=390]

      The ORIGIN story is bullsh-it...............so is the bible............... nasty !

      From Soup to Cells—the Origin of Life

      http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2aOriginoflife.shtml

      Scientists have unearthed the first direct signs of cheesemaking, at a site in Poland that dates back 7,500 years.

      Human Evolution

      http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2cHumanevo.shtml

      BBC. Planet of the Apemen. Battle for Earth 1. Ho-mo Erectus

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUliLKSJ4bQ&w=640&h=390]

      BACKFILL on E =mc2.....

      Einstein letter, set for auction, shows scientist challenging idea of God, being 'chosen'

      By Jessica Ravitz, CNN

      Decades before atheist scientist and author Richard Dawkins called God a "delusion," one world-renowned physicist – Albert Einstein – was weighing in on faith matters with his own strong words.

      “The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends,” Einstein wrote in German in a 1954 letter that will be auctioned on eBay later this month. "No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.”

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/category/culture-science/

      May 4, 2013 at 6:47 am | Report abuse |

      Cheech & Chong's History of 420

      Cheech & Chong's History of 420 from CheechAndChong

      All cults...........creationists, ID believers and devil cults.................

      The fact...............the earth is to old ...........time to EVOLVE !.

      Ancient Earth Crust Stored in Deep Mantle

      Apr. 24, 2013 — Scientists have long believed that lava erupted from certain oceanic volcanoes contains materials from the early Earth's crust. But decisive evidence for this phenomenon has proven elusive. New research from a team including Carnegie's Erik Hauri demonstrates that oceanic volcanic rocks contain samples of recycled crust dating back to the Archean era 2.5 billion years ago. Their work is published in Nature.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130424132705.htm

      Dover Trial Transcripts............................................. FACTS.

      Below are the complete transcripts from the Dover Trial. Thanks to our friends at the National Center for Science Education for helping us fill in the missing transcripts.

      http://www.aclupa.org/legal/legaldocket/intelligentdesigncase/dovertrialtranscripts.htm

      Education works for children

      Earth From Space

      Detailed satellite images reveal the web of connections that sustain life on Earth. Aired February 13, 2013 on PBS

      Program Description

      "Earth From Space" is a groundbreaking two-hour special that reveals a spectacular new space-based vision of our planet. Produced in extensive consultation with NASA scientists, NOVA takes data from earth-observing satellites and transforms it into dazzling visual sequences, each one exposing the intricate and surprising web of forces that sustains life on earth. Viewers witness how dust blown from the Sahara fertilizes the Amazon; how a vast submarine "waterfall" off Antarctica helps drive ocean currents around the world; and how the sun's heating up of the southern Atlantic gives birth to a colossally powerful hurricane. From the microscopic world of water molecules vaporizing over the ocean to the magnetic field that is bigger than Earth itself, the show reveals the astonishing beauty and complexity of our dynamic planet.

      http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/earth-from-space.html

      February 16, 2013 at 7:18 am | Report abuse |

      Peace

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