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(CNN) – Tamerlan Tsarnaev died early Friday, and according to the rules of Islam, he should have been buried by now. But his severely wounded body is still being held to determine a cause of death.
"We are waiting for more information," said Terrel Harris, spokesman for the Boston Medical Examiner's Office. He wasn't sure when a cause of death would be released.
Tsarnaev, 26, had so many penetrating wounds when he arrived at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center early Friday that doctors could not tell which ones had killed him. He'd engaged in a ferocious battle with police in which more than 200 rounds of gunfire was exchanged. He and his brother Dzhokhar, 19, also allegedly hurled improvised explosive devices and handmade grenades at officers.
Haroon Firdausi, a licensed funeral director in Chicago, said he usually encourages authorities not to delay when there is a need for an autopsy. Usually, Muslims are buried the same day as their death.
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There are questions about when, where and how Tamerlan Tsarnaev will be buried. And there's a bigger question: whether any Muslim entity will be willing to deliver last rites.
Many Muslim community leaders have sought to distance themselves from the Tsarnaevs in light of reports that Tamerlan Tsarnaev might have been influenced by radical Islam. Fearing retaliation, Muslim leaders have strongly condemned the bombings and made it clear that Islam does not condone violence.
At least one Boston cleric said he would refuse to perform funeral rites for a man accused of committing so much violence. The Quran, said Imam Talal Eid, says that anyone who has killed another human being is going to hell.
Eid, who is imam at the Boston Islamic Institute, said he had never met the Tsarnaev brothers but questioned media accounts that Tamerlan Tsarnaev had become a devout Muslim.
"A person who is devoted does not kill innocent people," Eid said.
Yusufi Vali, executive director of the Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center, the largest mosque in the Boston area, also rejected the Tsarnaev brothers.
"I don't care who or what these criminals claim to be, but I can never recognize these criminals as part of my city or my faith community," he said.
"All of us Bostonians want these criminals to be brought to justice immediately. I am infuriated at the criminals of these bombings for trying to rip our city apart. We will remain united and not let them change who we are as Bostonians."
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The Tsarnaev brothers occasionally attended prayer services at the Islamic Society of Boston Cambridge Masjid, a small mosque near their apartment in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
"In their visits, they never exhibited any violent sentiments or behavior," said a statement from the masjid. "Otherwise they would have been immediately reported to the FBI. After we learned of their identities, we encouraged anyone who knew them in our congregation to immediately report to law enforcement, which has taken place."
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I'm sick and tired of all these BS about religion. I think that here we are in front of two shameful brothers, and, sorry, a shameful family that had not the courage to call 911 to say: I recognize them, they are my nephews. Also, shame on the so-called intellectual activists who claim the Miranda warning for the "poor and neglected" teenager, he is just a young piece of trash. They should think that these two youngsters didn't think of the right to life of the little kid who died, or of the people who lost their legs.
So we should ignore their rights so we can become more like them?
Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center is a front for the Muslim Brotherhood. Check it out.
My prayers are with the victims, and their families.
So while you think you're actually doing something someone else is donating money to help with the recovery process of the victims. Maybe you should consider how useless your prayers are and make more of an effort to help the victims.
The devil in this world came out of the Caucus mountains, that is thou the white man's home base. Deny the truth and the Father denies you. *Hebrews 11:38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. *Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. *Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: *Exodus 3:3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. *1st Timothy 5:15 For some are already turned aside after Satan. *Lamentations 5:21 Turn thou us unto thee, O Lord, and we shall be turned; renew our days of old. *Deuteronomy 32:7 Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will tell thee. *Luke 9:33 and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said. *Psalm 109:15 Let them be before the Lord continually, that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth.
"The devil in this world came out of the Caucus mountains, that is thou the white man’s home base."
Feeling some white guilt, or just a wee bit racist today, kevbox?
Popeye the Sailor also said "I am what I am"
I continue to read that Islam / Mohamadism / Muslims is peaceful, is not violent, are not aggressive, etc, etc. The facts belie these statements. It IS Muslims that are perpetrating these types of heinous crimes (e.g. terrorist attacks, whether in the US Europe or in the middle east). It is Muslims who espouse cutting off the heads of non-believers. It is Muslims warring amongst themselves in the middle east. It is Muslims killing non-believers over newspaper cartoons "insulting" them. It is theocracies that are driving the insanity. Watch any you tube video – they are clearly "god" driven in all aspects of their lives. They scream allah akbar while shooting people, while cutting off heads, when being shot, when being whipped – clearly there is fanaticism. I think most reasonable people would put them at about a 13th – 15th century level (a time when other religions were running around trying to ram their beliefs down the rest of the world's throat) that the rest of the world has moved on from. Clearly this "religion" has a long way to go before I quit despising it and those who practice it. We should quarantine them all – starting with Sadia Arabia....
Blame the people performing the acts of violence, not the religion.
Christians have continued missions beyond those dates, e.g. Hawaii among others.
If it is their religion that is their justification, blame the religion.
Optimus... It's a symbiotic relationship, one cannot exist without the other within Islam.
It is pure nonsense to blame the religion. Blaming the religion implies we're all mindless drones that aren't in control of our own actions. By your logic of blaming religions, I could go on a killing spree and then proclaim that I did it for the Church of Scientology. People died not because I was insane, but because Scientology was to blame! Just stop with the excuses and make the person responsible for their actions. Why is this so difficult for people to do?
The question is , If these two brothers did not have faith in a religion would they still have done this?
The answer is, no they would not have done this.
Religion needs to take part of the blame.
We can't honestly say what these brothers would have done without believing in a religion. But let's say there is no religion. Unfortunately you'd still have just as many people out there with a deep hatred of the US. Those same groups would still recruit folks just like these brothers and convince them they're doing "good" by killing Americans. As these brothers had shown, they were gullible enough to fall for one ridiculous lie. So why wouldn't they be able to fall for some other ridiculous lie without religious involvement?
It frustrates me we blame Islam, when centuries ago, it was Catholics. They killed in the name of their God. How about Christians, they have also killed in the name of their God. Come on, every religion can be interpreted to kill others. Everything can be misunderstood, we are people, and we are falliable.
Of course every religion can, but we're talking about today's realities and pretending they don't correlate to a particular culture or religion is to ignore the facts in front of you. Harking back to actions one religion or country committed hundreds of years ago is like saying "Don't criticize Bob for getting arrested; don't you realize his brother John committed crimes when he was 12?" It is who Bob and John are now that concerns us.
Do you tell people from Germany they can't criticize beliefs promoting genocide because some of their grandparents engaged in genocide? That wouldn't even make sense. You look at what someone or some group is now doing and evaluate it on those grounds.
if Christians killed in the name of their God century ago, so it is okay for muslims to kill now, is that what your logic is!!!!!
Let's just focus on the problems of today.
It was Christians who were killing non-believers a long, long time ago, but that doesn't make what is happening in modern times any better. You really should be ashamed for implying that something done in the past somehow makes something done in the present in some way better.
And I'm atheist so don't for one second thing I'm some religious nutcase defending "my" religion because I have none.
Catholics are Christians and the defense that "everyone else has done it so why can't we?" is really a crap excuse.
It just means that humans are falliable, we misinterpret things. So what maybe wasnt caught in what I was saying, lets not blame a religion or beliefe, but blame the person. It is not the religions fault but the misinterpretation by people.
"It is not the religions fault but the misinterpretation by people"
I'm still confused by your point. Are you saying that all religions are inherently 100% good and anything bad about them is by definition "misinterpretation"?
Dinosaurs walked the Earth at one time as well... What the subject being discussed is the here and now. In the 1970's for the most part, it was Palestinian/Islamist/Leftist hijackings for the most part. Now, it has evolved into an ultra-violent Islamist-Jihad of global proportion.
Denying it is not taking place or that anyone is not a target or trying to take a liberal "I understand your plight" stance in order to avoid being a casualty is foolish. Wake up now.
Even if a religion is 100% pure and good, that wouldn't stop people from saying that they are devote followers of that religion even though they are committing acts of violence and other actions that go against said religion. Once again, stop with the excuses. It boils down to the fact that violence is a part of human nature. People will find ways to be evil even without religion. If that wasn't the case, then a majority of wars fought in our human history would have been directly due to religion. But as it stands, only a small percentage of wars can really be blamed on religion.
That didn't answer my question. Do you believe all religions are 100% good or that there is room for there to be bad things in a religion?
It seems like you are trying to avoid answering a tough question that would force you to admit that religions, like other beliefs, can have some influence on people. Please try to answer the question honestly.
I did answer your question, you just aren't accepting it. I've said it multiple times that the religion itself doesn't matter. You keep wanting to bring the conversation back to religion so YOU can blame the religion. I clearly said it doesn't matter even if you did have a religion that was 100% good. Once again, a religion is just a scape goat. Blame the person for their actions. Religions can be a great and wonderful thing for some people. Others however twist it for evil purposes. Even without religion, people would (and do) find ways reasons to harm each other.
Centuries ago, Christians killed unbelievers and put Muslims to the sword if they didn't convert. The reason Christianity is better behaved now is that the Church no longer wields the kind of political power that it held at that time. When any church possesses unchecked political power, its tendency toward totalitarianism is undeniable.
Once again, you incorrectly place blame on religion/church. Power corrupts but it's not at all limited to religious groups. Just look at...well just about any form of government as an example. Religion is not the cause of this corruption. Power simply corrupts.
Stating that any religion can be used for bad ends is not the same as stating that a religion can have a trait that is inherently bad. That's like saying that stating any virus could kill a person is the same as saying some viruses are widely fatal. There's an enormous difference between injecting someone with a generally harmless virus that's only a problem in people with weak immune systems and injecting them with the smallpox virus. And no, I'm not saying a particular existing religion is as dangerous as smallpox, but making the point that you can't assume as a premise that all are equally well suited for a particular point in time.
You essentially believe that a "bad" religion will influence a person to do bad things. I disagree with that because I believe you are fully responsible for your individual choices. You have to first CHOOSE to follow a religion. Placing blame on the religion is similar to how people place blame on a gun for a murder instead of the person who held it. Lastly, you don't choose to become infected by a virus. So that attempt at a comparison of yours is entirely ridiculous.
And I wouldn't take a whiz on him if he was on fire.
I would, even if he was not on fire. Also,a big plus as it sent Obama into a tizzy when American Hero's put the fire out on some Muslims.
Christianity and Islam, in fact, both do condone violence, misogyny and all sorts of other heinous behavior.
Religion is just a convenient scape goat. It's people that condone the violence and other "heinous behavior".
"Religion is just a convenient scape goat. It's people that condone the violence and other "heinous behavior"."
Would you say that about any religion? One that promoted superiority of one race over another or condoned slavery? If you would not, you are admitting that it is fair to judge a religion for influencing behavior.
"Would you say that about any religion? One that promoted superiority of one race over another or condoned slavery? If you would not, you are admitting that it is fair to judge a religion for influencing behavior." If you feel better about blaming some religion instead of the person that commits the act of violence, that's entirely up to you. I simply believe in making the individual person accountable for their actions. People will be violent towards others regardless of religion.
A small but important wake up call. When Muslim's turn their back on these gutter criminals we can start to welcome them to our land. Until then they are the enemy and deserve our utter contempt. They need to remove this trash from their culture.
And how would you do that exactly?
Bigot. To lay the blame for the actions of a few Muslims at the feet of the entire community is nothing other than bigotry. I do not blame all Christians for the horrible treatment I have received at the hands of a select few.
To: i am god, Drones seem to work along with a comfy board and nice bucket of water, To: Huebert What is wrong did you not get enough cookies at Sunday School? I hold Muslim to the same standard I hold Christians who failed by not turning their back on the IRA and many innocents died. Shame on you for have such low standards for you leaders.
The thing is, most normal Muslims do turn their back on this type of behavior. You're talking about very small radical sects which encourage behaviors such as these men. Christians are no different...do we group together the Westboro Baptists with normal Christians? I don't think so. We shun them exactly as regular Muslims do to their own radicals. Point is you can't blame one religion for a few crazies. There's nutjobs everywhere.
So I see you do not deny the fact that you are being bigoted. Glad to see you have at least a modicu.m of self awareness.
Ash... Westboro espouse sickness in their words. However they do not murder and destroy human beings limbs and lives as does the Islamist.
There are no moderates in religion.
Some of you seem to think the extremists are the minority, If that's the case why does not the majority do something to stop them?
Are they afraid? or do they want the same thing the extremists do?
In Islam it is allowed to lie to your enemy to get what you want if you can not get it from being honest and they never have to be honest with a non believer.
These are some of their laws which make Muslims superior to all others in their minds.
All religions are wrong, Islam is pure evil.
So how do we ever know when they are telling us the truth?
Quit blaming religion – it was two LOSERS who went against their religion and all common sense to commit this horrible act. Two people, not an entire religion. Put the blame where it lies – on the Tsarnaev brothers. There are 100 other, better ways to deal with anger and frustration.
True, it was not their religion that asked them to do this. However, loser Buddhists (for example) much less often blow other people up. There are clear correlations here and members of this religion need to look at what it is about the religion, or it's modern day culture, that makes it so easily manipulated by these kinds of fringe youth. Even when you don't preach killing, preaching that others are worthless, evil or less to be valued lays the groundwork for this kind of thinking.
Quite asking people to quite blaming religion! Really, though, religion has some culpability here and to ignore that is to stick your head in the sand.
But if these brothers did not have religion would they still have done this?
I think not.
Whether you like it or not religion has to take some of the blame here.
I feel terrible at the fact that these young men were lead down the wrong path. Islam is not a violent religeon, it teaches us to not be aggressors because then we are in the wrong, and that by demonstrating aggresive behavior towards another human or any living thing in that fact is wronging our own souls...As Muslims we are to be a benefit and a mercy to our neigborhoods not a dustructive force...
If the quran truly was a work of god, would it be so easliy corrupted?
Same goes for the bible.
They are works of men...nothing more.
Hmm... well I did some quick research and found a reference for 109 verses in the quaran that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule; many are open-ended and not curtailed by historic context, and many are very barbaric. I could only find references for 17 that preach peace.
109 vs 17 does not overly support the idea of a peaceful religion.
Realy? care to explain these verses then?
Quran (8:12) – "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Quran (3:56) – "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran (2:216) – "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Quran (9:30) – "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"
These are just a few.
Just like the bible, the ambiguous and contradictory nature of it provides an infinite number of meanings to an infinite number of followers.
He wasn't living in accordance with true Islam, so why should he be buried in accordance with it...... If I were an Imam I wouldn't bless him either... He is damned.
anothe one true scotsman argument...
Isn't for your non-existant deity to decide, not you?
No true Scottsman should be changed to no true Muslim...We know it's all nonsense. A muslim is a muslim and islam is a human cancer.
meh, just ask another Imam.
Like other religions, often it's just a matter of asking the right person until you get the answer you want.
After all these years of Islamists murdering others, the Muslim leaders are now speaking against violence. Wow. They must be thinking that Americans will kick them out of the USA. And, we ARE.
They have been speaking out for ages. You just haven't been listening.
And why in the world would we persecute other Ameriacns for their religious belief?
TC, we don't persecute for belief, we persecute for behavior. and the behavior of muslims speaks volumes.
Wrong. America DOES persecute for beliefs.
There are currently on the books laws preventing atheists from holding office in several states. In Arkansas, an atheist is not only not allowed to hold public office, they are not even allowed to testify in courts.
Christians persecute all the time.
Plenty of unenforced laws on the books RC. AR didn't stop the Clintons!
Oh and Christians have not been killing people of other faiths or even their own Christian brothers and sisters for centuries? Killing of innocent people is not war, its cowardice. If you have an enemy, meet them on the battlefield, not in the midst of innocents. Anyone who deliberately kills innocent people to make a political or religious point does not deserve respect or even any more press. Part of the reason people do this is the amount of press that they get worldwide. Just like we have dozens of interpretations of the bible, there are dozens of interpretations of the Quran. Or the Torah, or the Bhagavad Gita, or whatever holy book there is. If we all simply treated one another the way we would want to be treated, there would be less hatred in the world. If there was less greed and more sharing, there would be nothing to fight over. More understanding and less judgement.
Well Stephanie, it's not as simple as you try and make it out to be. When some people act like dogs and then treat YOU like a dog, they think it's OK. I'm OK, You're OK. The socies to the rescue for guys like R cranium! Another Affirmative Action SLOT.
The unenforced laws are still on the books from when they were enforced. They were declared unconst!tutional in 1961 but the laws remain.
The lie "in god we trust" is still printed on our money
The phrase "under god" was added unconst!tutionally to the pledge of allegience, basically excluding anyone who doesn't believe in supernatural phenomenon from the pledge.
These are the lingering effects of christians persecution of fellow americans.
lol just hates it that America stands for equality, where the Muslim American or atheist American can have as much say and as much time at the podium as any Christian American. He would greatly prefer religious aparthied where Christianity get's all the clean bathrooms, nice restaraunts and best seats on the bus while any non-christian can go p i s s in the bucket out back if they need to and should be happy they aren't being beaten, tarred, feathered and run out of town.
Certainly does not say "every religion" has last rites. If you mean some kind of burial ceremony, that is different. But do not usurp the terminology from a Christian religion – that is misleading.
6 of one, half dozen of the other...technically you are correct, but it is still moot.
Last rites are done before death, and the terminology is a Catholic one. Seriously get it right and use the right terminology. Be exact and accurate. I am middle eastern, so don't exlain this to me.
Last rites are done before death when possible, but are still performed on the dead.
It all amounts to the same thing so terminology is really moot.
The person has someone else stand over them, mumble some gibberish in the air, and bury 'em.
A rose by any other name...
Terrorists does not deserve any rites – they do not belong to any religion. They are just monsters hidden in human body – who cares about this guy's rites.
Last rites are done before death, and the terminolgy is a Catholic one. Seriously get it right and use the right terminology. Be exact and accurate. I am middle eastern, so don't exlain this to me.
Dear CNN, you are morons. Last rites? Last rites are only done in the Catholic faith and they are not the same as a funeral. Seriously how dumb.
No, muslims do perform the Janazah, which has similar components. They prepare the body, whisper some gibberish and bury 'em.
Basically the same thing.
Wow seriously? Every religion has last rites you troll.
While most religions may have funerary rituals, "last rites" are the name given to the Catholic, and I think Eastern Orthodox, ones.
Technically, Emily is correct, though. "The Last Rites" is the giving/receiving the Catholic sacrament of Extreme Unction or Anointing of the Dying (or the already dead, just in case!). Lots of folks perform final rituals for the dead - calling them all the "last rites" has simply come into popularity. Me, I don't care what they call them.
Who cares which bullet or explosive killed him? All I care is that he is dead. And I also don't care about his religion. We don't care about the religion of other criminals so stop being hypocritical and caring now. You're not going to rid the world of people who want to practice Islam so get over it.
Its so amazing how much the brother in custody looks like the Aurora theatre shooter. Creepy.
The Joker was on the gubmint's payroll. Loans grants, etc.
Finally these Saudi taught Wahabi Imams are standing up for me. As far as I am concern burn the sobs body and throw in landfil.
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