By Moni Basu and Eric Marrapodi, CNN
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(CNN) – Tamerlan Tsarnaev died early Friday, and according to the rules of Islam, he should have been buried by now. But his severely wounded body is still being held to determine a cause of death.
"We are waiting for more information," said Terrel Harris, spokesman for the Boston Medical Examiner's Office. He wasn't sure when a cause of death would be released.
Tsarnaev, 26, had so many penetrating wounds when he arrived at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center early Friday that doctors could not tell which ones had killed him. He'd engaged in a ferocious battle with police in which more than 200 rounds of gunfire was exchanged. He and his brother Dzhokhar, 19, also allegedly hurled improvised explosive devices and handmade grenades at officers.
Haroon Firdausi, a licensed funeral director in Chicago, said he usually encourages authorities not to delay when there is a need for an autopsy. Usually, Muslims are buried the same day as their death.
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There are questions about when, where and how Tamerlan Tsarnaev will be buried. And there's a bigger question: whether any Muslim entity will be willing to deliver last rites.
Many Muslim community leaders have sought to distance themselves from the Tsarnaevs in light of reports that Tamerlan Tsarnaev might have been influenced by radical Islam. Fearing retaliation, Muslim leaders have strongly condemned the bombings and made it clear that Islam does not condone violence.
At least one Boston cleric said he would refuse to perform funeral rites for a man accused of committing so much violence. The Quran, said Imam Talal Eid, says that anyone who has killed another human being is going to hell.
Eid, who is imam at the Boston Islamic Institute, said he had never met the Tsarnaev brothers but questioned media accounts that Tamerlan Tsarnaev had become a devout Muslim.
"A person who is devoted does not kill innocent people," Eid said.
Yusufi Vali, executive director of the Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center, the largest mosque in the Boston area, also rejected the Tsarnaev brothers.
"I don't care who or what these criminals claim to be, but I can never recognize these criminals as part of my city or my faith community," he said.
"All of us Bostonians want these criminals to be brought to justice immediately. I am infuriated at the criminals of these bombings for trying to rip our city apart. We will remain united and not let them change who we are as Bostonians."
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The Tsarnaev brothers occasionally attended prayer services at the Islamic Society of Boston Cambridge Masjid, a small mosque near their apartment in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
"In their visits, they never exhibited any violent sentiments or behavior," said a statement from the masjid. "Otherwise they would have been immediately reported to the FBI. After we learned of their identities, we encouraged anyone who knew them in our congregation to immediately report to law enforcement, which has taken place."
Tamerlan Tsarnaev's Islam was not genuine.
His Islam was only an excuse to release his personal frustrations by terrorizing and killing innocent people, and gain instruction by radical Muslims. The terrorism could just as well have been any religion, but he could relate to Muslim since it is his family's religion.
I distance myself from these Muslim leaders that cant speak the truth and support Muslims even when they make mistakes
Make mistakes? A mistake is opening a Coke when you meant to grab a Diet Coke. What those two did wasn't a mistake. It was cold, calculated & pre-meditated.
Stop trying to minimize a crime against humanity as a "mistake."
I disagree. These murderers were probably motivated by religion, and so the only way to discourage others like them is to deprive them of religious sanction
@Mustafa, I recommend you should distance yourself from Islam, look at Obama, he did it, so can you.
Last prayer is not just right of dead by Islam, but remembrance of time of death, Mout, end of choice for every one, Sure he will have to answer for his deeds for his hindu secular ism, criminal self center ism, denial of truth absolute, in court of La. truth absolute GOD, Deny him, his last rite, right torments to none other than being in his shoe. No need to be a hindu secular , criminal self centered to please your hindu soul, but do as it is commanded, to give every one their right, by truth absolute GOD, foundation of American consti tution, or face truth absolute GOD in his court after your mout, end of choice for violating his right. He paid his dues in full for his hindu secular ism, criminal self center ism, owes nothing to any one any thing, including his victims.
Unfortunately, whatever it is you're citing in your rambling isn't the law of this land or even the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. And those laws will keep his dead body on their hands for as long as they need to. I just hope he gets fed to the fishes like OBL when the authorities are through with him.
Mohammad, cooker bomber does not need any rites to be performed or prayers said, lucky bum is already with Tin Allah, enjoying his third day with virgins, as far as his body goes, just bury him at the sea, it just waste of land in cemetery.
Ya, hindu digs, filthy secular s are broking, spewing he secularism with full throat, his body is posetion of his parents, and it will be returned to them.
focus Mohammad, my hindu brother, you are making too many typos, making your bad posts worst, make sure to take antidepressants for next few days, at least until they throw the garbage in international water, or ship back to Chechnya
"Fearing retaliation, Muslim leaders have strongly condemned the bombings and made it clear that Islam does not condone violence."
Really? The only reason Muslim leaders have condemned the bombings is because they fear retaliation, not because they, you know, actually condemn the bombings on moral grounds? Horrible writing.
Timothy McVay was a Muslim?!?
I agree. CNN articles' writers seemed to hint a lot of things.
Timothy McVieh's actions equate to muslim behavior
One guy made this intelligent remark to me, and I think it's very true...............
NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS, BUT ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS.
Wake up people.
Oh, shut your trap. Yes, our community has an issue with extremism. Yes, we condemn it. But, there is a reason for this extremism. It transcends merely misinterpretation of religious texts. It has to do with anger over the volatile political situations in Muslim lands. It may very well be that Tamerlan did what he did out of anger about what is happening in the Chechen regions. In Kashmir. In Palestine. In Iraq. In Afghanistan. Drones in Pakistan. And so forth.
I don't justify what he did - It sickens me. However, resorting to terrorism among our community is a complex situation with many factors, and it isn't as easy as 'blac-and-white.'
Timothy McVay was a Muslim?!? (replied to incorrect post earlier
Dave – So, was Timothy McVeigh, who detonated a truck bomb in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, a Muslim and was the man who murdered teachers and students at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newton, Connecticut a Muslim? Creating negative stereotypes about people is the root of prejudice.
Does it occur to you to question why there's the wild coincidence of so much turmoil in Muslim lands? Yes, it happens everywhere, but it is always going to be more pronounced in countries where members of one religion attempt, or threaten to attempt, to insti.tutionalize their rules into law. It's not the only thing that causes conflict, but it is one of the only things that, even when only a distant threat, is guaranteed to do so.
Timothy McViegh's actions equate to muslim behavior.
Kashmir, Palestine, Iraq. Afghanistan, Phillipines, Nigeria, Xingiang, Chechnya, Kosovo – muslims invaded these places over the last few centuries and cleansed these places of all the other religions there and today they claim those lands to be their own stating they are the majority. These people have never known how to integrate and so we need to pack them off from USA, Canda, Europe etc back to some Camelistan.
Last rites? Since when did Muslims give last rites. Dumb author, dumb imams.
I question where the imams got their training. Nothing in Islam allows for an imam to deny a Muslim a proper funeral or to declare in certainty the fate of the Muslim in the afterlife.
Also, there are no clerics in Islam. No last rites. This is why CNN fails poorly regarding reporting on religion.
The photo above looks like it was taken when Tamarlan used to model for Men's Warehouse. "You're going to like the way you look. I guarantee it."
This is very interesting! Both Catholics and Muslim do last rites, I did not know that. So now I don't know if I want to be Catholic or Muslim; what shall I do? Please help while I'm walking the streets.
Are you stupid or something? What fvck you think you doing?
Can't decide between hocus and pocus? How about a little bit of both?
He is no fa gget I'am!
Fake Akira since real Akira's moniker would be a hyperlink; the cowardly name-stealers must not know how to respond to Akira.
(other than to lie for their God)
Oh, Akira, what did you do to pis.s off the ID thief this time?
Don't be silly people. Last rites here for a Muslim refers to his funeral service, his last rites. CNN writer too stupid to explain it, I guess. I am a Methodist and someone may ask one day when is his last rightes or his funeral service? Wise up. Also a lot of you who make replies on these forums are pretty stupid to be Americans..
@Kyle, The person who posted that was someone pretending to be someone else to cause trouble.
I suspect Mohammad A. Dar, thief of Baghdad, is playing Akira, he is trying to parallel his Islam with christianity,
If i would of caught those Criminals first, i would of executed them on the spot without a trial
Ironically, a Palestinian would be more likely to know how to spell "would have."
You're an idiot...nuff said.
Last rites? So the witch doctor refuses to cast the magic spell over the dead body? Is this not the year 2013? Or is it 1013?
We seem to be going backwards as a human race. We truly need to recover from religion. All religion. All the ancient magic.
Otherwise we cannot go forward. We should be so much more advanced by now.
Know it all and your how old???
Your going to be in for a real surprise one of these days. Just don't think you know as much, are nearly as smart as you think you are. And as for science, just when was it that science of any age, didn't think they were all that????
Here's a top scientist for you... Jan Baptist van Helmont, his notes describe a recipe for mice (a piece of soiled cloth plus wheat for 21 days) and scorpions (basil, placed between two bricks and left in sunlight). His notes suggest he may even have done these things. Science always thinks it's all that, and you buy it. :)
Jan Baptist van Helmont?? LMAO!
He lived from 1580 – 1644 AD. At that time many scientists dabbled in things like alchemy and spontaneous generation. Since then we've learned more about the natural world and those bodies of thought became obsolete.
You also didn't mention his pioneering work in pneumatic chemistry. He was the first to understand that there were gases that were distinct from atmospheric air, and is credited with coining the word "gas" from the Greek word chaos.
In my last rites all I want is a good erection....Is that asking too much??How about a stiff drink..Wha ever happened tp the thirty virgins???...Woman on ground peace on earth.......Read your own rights before you go...
You have not got anything to become erect, LOL. You're a moron to make such statements regarding such a serious story.
Muslems don't forgive, just ask the guy in Saudi Arabia who they are going paralyse because he paralysed someone.
You can't associate every single Muslim or Islam with the actions of some.
AAAthis will happen again/ews, Christians. buddahs. Hindues all get along..The muslems do not. Loook in the Phillipines, Byrma, France, Egypt. and other places.
There are more than 30,000 sects of Christianity today. Do you really think that they all get along when they are so clearly opposed to one another's views?
And even though the Christians seem to have gotten past (about 15) centuries of pillage, hideous torture and creative ways to chop, slice, burn and mutilate a person to a slow painful death, they still today practice their share of hatred and lethal violence, including mental torture, lies, intimidation, bombs and guns. Read the news once in a while, bill.
The Koran says to convert all to Islam, those who refuse are an enemy to Islam. It says that right? It has been about 5 years since I read it, but I could swear it says that. An enemy is not a friend. If you refuse Islam, no Islamic person can consider you anything but an enemy. At least according to the Koran. Do any of us non Muslims know of another person who is Muslim that is their friend. Probably. I am entirely confused. The Koran does not even say it softly. Has anyone else read it on their own to see what it says. Please tell me. I remember it so clearly. They were attacking the U.S. a non-Islamic State, ie..according to the Koran, the clear enemy. If you are Muslin and follow the Koran, than they were doing what you are supposed to be doing (according to your Koran). Christians can be friends with those of other religions, as can Jews, Buddhists, even Hindus, BUT NOT MUSLIMS.
so does the bible.
@SAm Yaza – Entirely possible. I have never read the Bible. However, I doubt it. Christians seem to be more interested in spreading literacy than killing those who do not want to be Christian. I bet the Bible says to educate, not convert. But like I said, I have not read it, so I do not really know.
I am a Hindu and some of my best friends are Muslims. In India we do not have these hang ups and none of them have tried to convert me. It is different how we all live together, than the rest of the world. I am so proud of that. We celebrate each others festivals with the same zeal as we celebrate ours. India is not perfect but I think this is the one thing that the rest of the world can learn from.
Just google "murder in the bible."
@Anita – Have Muslims not committed terrible acts of terrorism in India?
Anita, I have only one thing to say about your comment. BS, Mumbai.
Brian, you did not read the Quran. Quran clearly states and I quote "la ikraha fid-deen" This means God says to the believers and non believers "There is NO compulsion in religion". Where did you get the idea that all peole must be muslims. If God wanted, there would be ONE religion for all. But he gave us the CHOICE to go which way we can. The end belongs to God when He will judge all for their deeds and their beliefs. Quran says God will forgive all sins exceept the sin of worshiping idols and other Gods before HIM.
No there is no coercion in Islam and a Muslim will never dictate that you accept his faith. He also believes that it is upto God who can give guidance to any. It is not unto man. Even the Prophet Muhammad said v.clearly, that I am not responsible for your faith....for it is God who can guide any to faith. I am just a warner!"
To improve your understanding of Muslims... give their book another read and this time think about what you are reading.and test it with your mind... if it makes sense or not?
I am not saying there are no radical elements in any religion. Every religion including Hinduism, has radical elements. They do not however represent the common man...your classmate, your neighbor, your colleague. What I am trying to say is that in India, and I am talking about Indian Muslims only....we have learned to coexist very peacefully. There will never be a 100% incident free scenario ever....but for the most part...we get along just fine. @Pritka.. The Mumbai incident..those Muslims were from Pakistan. And of course we have had our share of ethnic violence but we do not treat every Muslim as a terror suspect in India. It's the filthy politicians that corrupt. @Brian...Radical Hindu nuts have also committed some horrific acts of violence in the name of religion...but that is a very minuscule minority. And my opinion is about Muslims in India and what I am trying to say is that it is different how they are perceived in India than how muslims are perceived in the rest of the world. I think the root cause of any evil, unrest and violence is dirty politics. You take them out of the picture and see how peace will reign again.
Please take a class on religion and race in America. People have done bad things in the name of Christianity for example stealing the land of American Indians and enslaving African Americans for hundreds of years and colonized other countries in the name of Chrisitianity. Study the history of Christianity before you judge other religion. What about the Klan did anybody called them a terrorist.
To me Anita sounds like a wolf in sheep's clothing. From the comments posted it sounds like Anita is an alias for Mohammed, Ahmed or some such. Muslims are muslims no matter where they are. A very small percentage of them have a heart, while a majority of them are animal like and India is no exception.
just cremate the murderer and throw his ashes in the toilet!
No, blow his arms and legs off and then feed him to some very hungry pigs.
'St, Sear' wrote:
'No, blow his arms and legs off and then feed him to some very hungry pigs.'
Have you decided where you will plant your next (first?) pressure-cooker-bomb, 'St, Sear'?
he is trying to defend islam by doing another mean act. Why not give him ris rites? I am not sure how you giye give rites any way. DO you wash the person so that he is clean for his encounter with the virgins?
I am more than willing to give Muslims the benefit of the doubt and agree that the Quran does not advocate violence. The continued acts against Americans who are non-combatants by organizations and cells on behalf of the Quran and the Muslim cause in general will eventually cause deep hatred of Muslims by all freedom loving people. Personally, I cannot respect a religion or any other population segment that promotes the subjugation of women whether forced or freely chosen by women, the subjugation of human beings is not acceptable.
"@sam yaza ... You are wrong.... ONLY the arabic qu ran instructs believers to enslave or kill non believers . No other holy book instructs followers to wage war on a entire group of people."
"Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed." (Exodus 22:20)
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD's anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: "Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel." So Moses ordered Israel's judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man's body and into the woman's stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)
have a nice day!
you may be enslaved to pay of a debt or if conquered.
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
This is Jusus talking
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
If you have Muslims you have this stupid violence: Nigeria, Russia Philpp. Indoniasia, France, Germany, North Africa, Iraq, Isreal,Turkey,Eygpt,China, Bangledese<Pakista,n,Afganistan...........on and on and we invite them into our country and act surprised when this sort of stupid crap happens!!
Giving someone last rites does not mean you condone of their actions. How is this any different than a murderer who died and the priest etc gave the sermon on their funeral?
I believe they are in fear of reprisal. Justifiably so. I am not in favor of holding all Muslims responsible for the actions of a few but I believe they need to rid themselves of any association with violence and take responsibility for removing any hint of it from their communities and their religion. Enough is enough and I think Americans will react sooner if they do not see that Muslims are taking action to suppress violence. For their own safety, they need to take the same stance as the uncle did in condemning his nephew for this atrocity. They need to do it publicly and very soon from every mosque and every Muslim organization in America.
John,you and I understand that... but the Muslims are scared for two reasons: 1) They dont want to be victims of hate crime de to associating themselves with the last rites of Tamerlan. 2) They dont want to be seen supporters of criminals. Already there have been many threats made to different Muslim centers.
There's always Rite Aid, about two blocks down. Last pharmacy for miles.
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