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Elie Wiesel claps as U.S. President Barack Obama speaks at the Holocaust Museum April 23, 2012 in Washington, DC.
April 29th, 2013
12:48 PM ET

Faith in the messenger

Editor’s Note: Today marks the 20th anniversary of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum. It was Elie Wiesel’s idea to make this an institution of learning rather than a simple memorial. Michael Schulder, host of the "CNN Profiles" radio show, sat down with Wiesel to talk about a range of issues, including how a sense of humor survives in so many survivors. This story, though, is about faith.

By Michael Schulder, CNN

(CNN) – “They called him Moishe the Beadle, as if his entire life he had never had a surname.”

This is the opening line of the most widely read memoir of the Holocaust, Elie Wiesel’s "Night."

I had the opportunity to ask Wiesel about Moishe the Beadle recently when we sat down for an in-depth CNN Profile, which you can listen to here.

When Wiesel won the Nobel Peace Prize, the committee that chose him called him a messenger to mankind.

He is not the only messenger to mankind. But somehow the power of his story and his words and his character made it possible for his testimony to have a global impact.

Moishe the Beadle was a messenger, too. But the testimony he delivered was not received.

When Wiesel was a little boy growing up in the town of Sighet, Moishe was the “jack of all trades” at the local synagogue. The most menial job. The Beadle.

Moishe kept to himself. Few spoke to him. But young Eliezer Wiesel did.

Wiesel was very religious, and he often found Moishe chanting prayers. They struck up a friendship.

In 1941, Moishe and some other Jews who could not prove their nationality were deported by the government. Months later, Moishe returned.

Wiesel recounts what happened next. “When he came back, he began talking. Nobody listened to him."

Moishe said he had been taken to a forest in Galicia, Poland. What happened there? Wiesel remembered what Moishe said:

“ 'Terrible things. Jews. You don’t know what’s happening there. Jews are being killed.' He said some people have to dig their own graves. 'And I was there,' he said. He gave names. 'And I alone … came to tell the tale.' Nobody listened to him. They thought he was crazy. “

Wiesel continued: “The only one who listened was I. Not because I believed him, because I loved stories.”

Three years later, the Nazis arrived. All the Jews of Sighet were rounded up. Barbed wire was put up.

“I saw (Moishe) in the ghetto,” Wiesel said, “with the last transport. He knew where we were going. But we didn’t.”

Another messenger arrived just before the Jews of Sighet were sent to Auschwitz. “A Christian woman, Maria. Our friend and servant for years came into the ghetto.”

She pleaded with the Wiesel family. She had a hut in the nearby mountains where they could be safe. “ 'Come,' she told us. 'I’ll take care of you.' ”

Another messenger dismissed.

When Eliezer Wiesel and his family arrived at Auschwitz, the name meant nothing to them. They’d never heard of it.

“Everything was so fast – and SO well-organized. Everybody knew what to do in order to lure the victims. Everyone. Everything worked. The machinery worked.”

And then another messenger. This one, heeded.

An old prisoner came to the line, saying, “ 'they will ask you questions.' To me, he said, ‘How old are you?' ”

"15.

“ 'Say 18.'

“To my father: 'How old are you?'

“He said 48 or something."

“No,” said the old prisoner. “Say 30."

“He knew what we didn’t know,” Wiesel said. "That those who could work will live. Those who couldn’t would die.

“And then,” Wiesel said, “something strange happened to me.

"I come from a very religious background. Very religious. And all of a sudden, when I saw these hundreds and thousands of Jews coming, from all over Europe, speaking all languages, belonging to all cultures, to all conditions, men, women, children, young and old, learned and ignorant ... I had the feeling that this is a messianic event. The ultimate ingathering of exiles.

"The Messiah is coming. ... That’s what I felt.

"And who came was not the Messiah but Death as Messiah.”

The story of what happened next is so thoroughly documented, it does not need to be recounted here.

Wiesel says he retained his will to live in the death camps because his father’s life depended on the survival of his son.

Together, father and son survived Auschwitz. They survived the grueling transfer to another death camp, Buchenwald. And there they survived until his father could survive no longer.

One morning, Eliezer Wiesel woke up, and the bunk in the barracks where his father had been was occupied by another inmate.

Two months later, American soldiers liberated Buchenwald.

Elie Wiesel would survive to become a messenger, one of the first messengers whose testimony broke through into the broader public’s consciousness.

Now, on this day, as the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum commemorates its 20th anniversary, there are enough messengers, enough testimony, enough documentation to absorb many lifetimes of study.

And just last month, we learned something new and shocking from researchers at the Holocaust Memorial who had spent years combing through documents for evidence that others had glossed over.

They discovered that there were an additional 45,000 ghettos and concentration camps - some devoted to killing small number of people - scattered all through Nazi-occupied Europe that we never knew existed, which means even more civilians were aware than we even knew.

How does faith survive such evidence?

How could God allow such a thing, the faithful asked while it was happening and long after.

Could it be that, even though he did not look the part or act the part - even though he appeared to have lost his mind - could it be that Moishe the Beadle was a messenger of God?

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Belief • Holocaust • Judaism

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  1. Kindness

    Kindness
    This is my experience... Thank you.

    MY personal testimony.
    A thought to consider without an ego response

    I Accepted Jesus christ as my lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
    The world denounces truth....

    Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.

    Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.

    The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.

    Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners. Even once we are saved by christs merciful grace we will still experience adversity to mold us to adhering to the truth.
    We will slip... But not fall of the ship ...carrying us onward to perfection in christs grace.

    We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Follow me".
    It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .

    Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
    See the truth...
    do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from some other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..

    Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .

    Trancsend the temporal world.

    Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .

    Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing (to change) The Holy spirit (within) will convict you beyond what you think you can do by yourself. Grace is given to those who renounce the world. That are" in" the world but not "of " the world.

    Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith ....above reason in Jesus Christ.

    Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....

    Read Ecclesiastes. Read romans or corinthians.

    You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.

    Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are by faith above reason in christ.

    I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .

    Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?

    Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.

    once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
    You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it

    You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
    I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
    Its awsome and It's just between you and Jesus

    my testimony

    Romans 10:9

    "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved

    Last eve I passed beside a blacksmith’s door,
    And heard the anvil ring the vesper chime;
    The, looking in, I saw upon the floor
    Old hammers, worn with beating years of time.
    “How many anvils have you had,” said I,
    “To wear and batter all these hammers so?”
    “Just one,” said he, and then with twinkling eye,
    “The anvil wears the hammers out, you know.”
    And so, thought I, the anvil of God’s Word,
    For ages skeptic blows have beat upon;
    Yet, though the noise of falling blows was heard,
    The anvil is unharmed – the hammers gone.

    Truth is..exclusive

    July 18, 2013 at 2:17 am |
  2. Anna

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    May 8, 2013 at 7:34 pm |
  3. faith

    "Random Atheist
    Bill, if you were to go ahead and just die in a fire, that would be okay with me. You don't really need my permission."

    report this sick fiend to the fbi. she makes statements filled with violent hatred 24/7 against christians

    May 8, 2013 at 5:56 pm |
    • Science

      Did you forget this one Bill................... about the angels ?

      And NO ANGELS then old pope KICKED them in OFF the TEAM last year !

      From Soup to Cells—the Origin of Life

      http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2aOriginoflife.shtml

      Pope's book on Jesus challenges Christmas traditions

      By Laura Smith-Spark, CNN

      updated 10:56 AM EST, Fri November 23, 2012

      http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/22/world/europe/vatican-pope-jesus-book/index.html?iref=allsearch

      May 8, 2013 at 5:01 pm | Report abuse |

      Science

      All these years Bill and there are suppose to be angels.......................then poof go the angels according to the old pope;.......

      where are the morals there Bill ?

      May 8, 2013 at 5:38 pm | Report abuse |

      Science

      Or is that to simple for you Bill ?

      May 8, 2013 at 6:53 pm | Report abuse |

      May 8, 2013 at 7:41 pm |
  4. Science

    Update :

    See for yourself below.................The fairy in the sky did NOT create us !!!

    From Soup to Cells—the Origin of Life

    http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2aOriginoflife.shtml

    Monkey Math: Baboons Show Brain's Ability to Understand Numbers ..........E = mc2..............(U-Pb) numbers do not lie !

    May 3, 2013 — Opposing thumbs, expressive faces, complex social systems: it's hard to miss the similarities between apes and humans. Now a new study with a troop of zoo baboons and lots of peanuts shows that a less obvious trait – the ability to understand numbers – also is shared by humans and their primate cousins.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130503132719.htm

    OR.........take a ride on a DINO.

    Fossil records are better to read than the nasty bible..................no god(s) required !

    Oldest? New 'Bone-Head' Dinosaur Hints at Higher Diversity of Small Dinosaurs

    May 7, 2013 — Scientists have named a new species of bone-headed dinosaur (pachycephalosaur) from Alberta, Canada. Acrotholus audeti (Ack-RHO-tho-LUS) was identified from both recently discovered and historically collected fossils. Approximately six feet long and weighing about 40 kilograms in life, the newly identified plant-eating dinosaur represents the oldest bone-headed dinosaur in North America, and possibly the world.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130507124800.htm

    The Science Guy takes on creationism

    CNN|Added on November 24, 2012

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2012/11/24/intv-nye-creationism.cnn

    May 8, 2013 at 9:05 am |
  5. Ron

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  7. Trance

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    May 3, 2013 at 1:54 pm |
  8. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    May 3, 2013 at 5:52 am |
    • Science

      Splat again Cap't !

      Free speech helps educate the masses

      Gravity is not up for debate !

      BY the way ...................Splat goes a fairy in the sky !...............bye bye tinker bell !

      Einstein's Gravity Theory Passes Toughest Test Yet

      Apr. 25, 2013 — A strange stellar pair nearly 7,000 light-years from Earth has provided physicists with a unique cosmic laboratory for studying the nature of gravity. The extremely strong gravity of a massive neutron star in orbit with a companion white dwarf star puts competing theories of gravity to a test more stringent than any available before

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130425142250.htm

      Hey James Madison................religion has none it looks like.............with the comments on this blog.

      The Big question is ETHICS ! does religion have any ?

      The Ethics of Resurrecting Extinct Species

      Apr. 8, 2013 — At some point, scientists may be able to bring back extinct animals, and perhaps early humans, raising questions of ethics and environmental disruption.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130408165955.htm

      April 30, 2013 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |

      May 1, 2013 at 12:42 pm | Report abuse |

      Dinosaur Egg Study Supports Evolutionary Link Between Birds and Dinosaurs: How Troodon Likely Hatched Its Young

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130418104324.htm

      And NO ANGELS the pope KICKED them OFF the TEAM last year !

      From Soup to Cells—the Origin of Life

      http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2aOriginoflife.shtml

      May 3, 2013 at 9:09 am |
  9. Kikiriki

    Yesterday I bought a new Mercedes-Benz S-class when I got my check for $9253 this month and a little over, 10 grand this past month. Without a doubt it is the nicest job I've ever had. I started this 8 months ago and straight away started to make minimum $75, per-hour. I follow this website Rich4.COM_

    May 1, 2013 at 9:46 pm |
  10. Marvin

    God can speak through anyone or anything. We know He spoke through a donkey in Tanakh (old testeament), though the godless and faithless will not receive that. No surprise there. He can and does do as He wills. Mans problem is he is always trying to limit the power of God. God sent many messengers to this world, then He sent His own Son. Just as many of the messengers were rejected and killed, so it was with His own Son. The world is evil. God has never been popular to a fallen race. But the righteous will hear and receive, the elect will hear and believe. He is still drawing the elect to HImself. He that has ears to hear let him hear. Receive Yeshua/Jesus as Savior and know God's peace and forgiveness. Shalom

    May 1, 2013 at 7:13 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      God speaks to people all the time.
      In 2008, He told Boyce Singleton Jr. to shoot and stab his pregnant girlfriend.
      Deanna Laney heard God direct her to bludgeon her three sons, aged 9, 6 and 15 months. Only the youngest survived.
      Blair Donnelly received instructions to stab to death his 16 year old daughter, Stephanie.
      Christopher Varian was slaughtered with a cheese knife after God spoke with one of his employees.
      God told Jennifer Cisowski to dash her infant's head on the rocks, so ""Just like Jesus raised Lazarus, I threw the baby on the stones by the pool."
      Khandi Busby got a direct message from God advising her that the only way to save her 6 and 8 year old boys was to toss them off a bridge in Dallas. Fortunately, they survived.
      Angel Rico says he received a divine command to strangle his 4 year old son, so he did just that and left him at the side of the highway.
      Lashaun Harris threw her 3 young kids into the San Francisco Bay after God let her know that He wanted a human sacrifice.
      All of these people have been found legally insane by the judicial system, so if you hear God's voice speaking to you, it's time to check with your local psych ward to see if you need a huggy jacket.

      May 2, 2013 at 11:20 am |
    • Joel

      Yes Marvin, amen. The problem is with men, not with God. Men of little faith. Men who are living only for this life and this corrupt age. The elect see beyond it. God seeks those who know they are only passing through, who are awaiting the eternal city, whos builder and Maker is God. I too have found peace with God through faith in Yeshua/Jesus, The Messiah of Israel. Shalom

      May 2, 2013 at 9:24 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Joel/Marvin, If in fact you are not the same poster. You know there is no evidence for a god. If you're satisfied that the sky fairy will send you to a better place why get so worked up? In fact why delay your meeting with it?

      May 2, 2013 at 9:27 pm |
    • Thinker23

      "In Santa we trust"... If someone showed you an automobile (say, a Lamborghini) would you take is as evidence that those who created this beauty EXIST?

      Now you may look at the skies and the trillions of stars, galaxies and other objects there and apply the very same principle to the Universe.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:01 am |
    • Thinker23

      Marvin... Your use of a couple of Hebrew words (Tanakh and Shalom) suggest that you're addressing your message to Jews. If so you should be aware that religious Jews were waiting for their Messiah for thousands of years and that they would gladly accept Him if the Messiah succeeded to PROVE that he was indeed a Messiah. Obviously, Jesus failed to do it and was, therefore, either unable (pretty unlikely considering that he was God's almighty son) or unwilling to PROVE that he was the Messiah. I can only hope that the next time Jesus will visit this world he will succeed better and then the Jews will gladly accept him.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:11 am |
    • Bob

      Thinker, its not good to overthink God and His plan for the world. It seems you have placed your faith in the teachings of men concerning their expectations of Messiah rather than following those given by God in the Old Testament. Is that wise? Jesus did the will of God the Father 24/7. He did exactly what He was supposed to do. He didn't seek to please men, or gain their approval, He pleased the Father and has His approval. Clearly Isaiah and many other portions of OT tell us that Messiah would first suffer before fulfilling the prophecies of His reign as King of Kings. Read the Bible, and don't overthink it my friend. God bless

      May 4, 2013 at 7:15 pm |
  11. Geoffrey

    I, at one time in my life, worked hard to be good enough to enter heaven; just like any good Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist or even Christian. I was always so frustrated when I failed in achieving self righteousness. Then I realized that I was flawed. My carnal mind would frequently lead me astray. I could never achieve righteousness on my own efforts. I certainly was also guilty of passed sin. I could never stand before a holy God in judgment. Then I realized that Jesus Christ already achieved the righteousness that I was working so hard towards. Jesus Christ did it all for me. I was freed from my carnal limitations. I am holy in Christ. I can stand before God in judgment and have Jesus Christ plead my case for me. Thank you Jesus.

    May 1, 2013 at 5:02 pm |
    • ^^^

      CRAZY IGNORANT CHRISTIAN...FUBARRED BY RELIGION FOR LIFE...STANDS NO CHANCE OF EVER BEING NORMAL...RETARDED LOST HUMAN

      May 1, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
    • Bob

      Amen Geoffrey. How wonderful to stop striving and to receive His grace freely. Jesus paid it all! Great post, Keep it up!

      May 1, 2013 at 7:03 pm |
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  13. lionlylamb

    Hg,

    Might not the finitely infinite relate to an enormous number beyond our rather mundane comprehensions? Again, your innate desires to ridicule one's Word usages rather than comprehend them shows your intellectual mindlessness.

    My speculative assumptions might one day become a scientific relevancy.

    April 30, 2013 at 10:21 pm |
    • Answer

      Sure...

      Maybe they will end using a word phrase you will coin up. Generally you're a useless t-w-a-t.

      April 30, 2013 at 10:28 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      And yet, like your problem with the word cosmology, you are merely ignoring that something cannot be finitely infinite.
      This is your standard avoidance of any criticism. Reassert and cloak it in pseudo-intellectual nonsense.

      April 30, 2013 at 10:31 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Hg,

      Again I ask you, "Might not the finitely infinite relate to an enormous number beyond our rather mundane comprehensions?" I think outside the boxes as have many legendary folks.

      April 30, 2013 at 11:31 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Hg,

      Criticize me all you care to. I will not be moved. Try and debate me without crucifying my Word. Where is your alternative Word to be had regarding the Triune Cosmologies of Spatial Relationships? Is there an alternate Word for such a relevancy?

      April 30, 2013 at 11:46 pm |
    • Science

      Hey LL.........please follow link cool science..................then read comments............and comment thanks for the help !

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/29/new-film-examines-science-vs-religion/#comments

      May 1, 2013 at 8:09 am |
    • .

      LL is the belief blog pseudo intellect who's posts are a complete joke, so don't bother reading them, just laugh and move on.

      May 1, 2013 at 9:18 am |
    • HeavenSent

      John 1:1-5 (Jesus is "the Word" )

      1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
      2 The same was in the beginning with God.
      3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
      4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
      5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. (KJV)

      Amen.

      May 1, 2013 at 3:56 pm |
    • Science

      HS + BS = BS

      Peace

      May 1, 2013 at 4:04 pm |
    • Akira

      "Try and debate me without crucifying my Word."
      Capitalizing "word" as if yours are special? Are you really that pretentious?

      May 1, 2013 at 10:28 pm |
    • Thinker23

      "Finitely infinite" is a mathematical oxymoron.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:15 am |
  14. cufi

    "Now, on this day, as the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum commemorates its 20th anniversary, there are enough messengers, enough testimony, enough to absorb many lifetimes of study."

    Yes indeed! Keep the faith!

    April 30, 2013 at 7:55 pm |
  15. lionlylamb

    God does not need religions to be God. God was God before any religious scriptures told and foretold. God was God before celestial life came into existence. God was God before the Cosmos was created. God was God long before time came into being. God will be God long after mankind ascends into the celestial chasms. God will be God long after this earth passes away. God will be God past, present and in the future. God will ever be God. God never changes.

    April 30, 2013 at 7:49 pm |
    • Ted Jones

      Amazing you must have talked to God personally, rather than rely on writings of men to know such things

      April 30, 2013 at 7:53 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      My personalized faith in God needs no ancient scriptures to know of God.

      April 30, 2013 at 8:31 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      But apparently it needs complete dishonesty to attempt to defend, as is evident in

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/29/new-film-examines-science-vs-religion/comment-page-3/

      April 30, 2013 at 8:32 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      hawaiiguest,

      My honesty in my Word regarding my perceptions about Cosmologically dependent relationships being all things within the grids of spatial chasms seems for you to be unknowable and void of your understandings. I've told you time and again that there are but 3 cosmologies inherent for being understood in order for anyone come to an understanding their intentional meaning.

      You Hg, are the cowardly one who cannot even attempt to woefully rationalize my Word regarding the Triune Cosmologies of spatial interdependencies.

      April 30, 2013 at 9:06 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @lionly

      And yet, when you yourself gave the definition of cosmology, it showed quite clearly that the way you use it is not applicable. You also refused to answer the question of so what? Certain things seem similar, so what? You've avoided that all yesterday, and will probably continue to avoid it.
      Also, you demonstrated once again your self-indulgent, self-serving, piousness in your capitalization of Word when talking about what you say.
      You're pathetic lionly.

      April 30, 2013 at 9:14 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      hawaiiguest,

      Your desires to 'railroad' a debate is noted. Your innate abilities to fathom other's Word generalities used in ways that seem to you to be wrong is your intellectual downfall.

      April 30, 2013 at 9:48 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @lionly

      How cute. You still are unable to actually address the points in the post. Your integrity is absolutely 0.
      You refuse to address any criticism, and you actively distort what you say to mask the fact that you're just another dishonest religious apologist.

      April 30, 2013 at 9:54 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      hawaiiguest stated, "You also refused to answer the question of so what? Certain things seem similar, so what?"

      The similarity of the atomic cosmos and the celestial cosmos is most likely due to repeti tiveness of structuralizing methodologies manifesting itself into duplicitous natures of self-similar regularity. As I made mention within a prior post, there are finitely infinite amounts of Big Bangs that started multiple 'universes' within the grand scheme of the Grand Cosmos which is so great in scale, we will never see its fullness.

      April 30, 2013 at 10:08 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @lionly

      1) You cannot have something finitely infinite. It's just not possible.
      2) All of that is all speculation and assumptions.

      Again. So what?

      April 30, 2013 at 10:10 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Hawaiiguest,

      Me? A religious apologist? Hardly!

      April 30, 2013 at 10:14 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @lionly

      Oh really? Are you trying to say that your in view of your original post, that this "fractal cosmology" nonsense isn't tied to the bible, even though you consistently bring up the whole "kingdom of god inside us" in conjunction with your constant assertions?

      April 30, 2013 at 10:15 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Hg,

      So, my kingdom domains of God ideology makes me out to be a religious apologist? I have never apologized for any religion! Their days are numbered. My years are also.

      April 30, 2013 at 10:27 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Wow, you really like equivocation fallacies don't you. Equating one usage of a word with another. Ignoring colloquial usage, and completely avoiding addressing the problems within your posts.
      Does it make you feel good to be so dishonest?

      April 30, 2013 at 10:31 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Fractal Cosmology is a view that came into being and is now just in its infancy and needs to be reiterated and congealed into a state of there being only 3 structuralized commodities. One being the atomized cosmology and the second being the celestial cosmology leaving the third to be the cellular cosmologies. Our transcendence or our ascension to either the atomic or the celestial cosmos hierarchies may well be based upon our psychic desire. Either we go up or we go down.

      My desire is to transcend into the cellular cosmos after I die. Many though are transfixed into going up into the celestial 'heavens' after death becomes them. And you Hg?

      April 30, 2013 at 10:47 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @lionly

      All of that was complete, speculative nonsense. You continue to misuse cosmology, and you continue to merely reiterate your position without justification or evidence other than "these things seem sort of similar".
      It's nonsense.
      Not to mention that you completely jumped to a different facet of this entire discussion to distract from your earlier statements, just like you did yesterday, and also is a wonderful demonstration of why I call you a dishonest coward.

      April 30, 2013 at 10:52 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Where in my post have I shown any sense of dishonesty? Just because I see a very plausible relationship between a few verses of scripture relating it to my perceived understandings of the Triune Cosmologies of Spatial Relationships does in no way make me out to be transfixed by religious dogmas. At least you have a grasp as to understanding the gist of my perceptions. Maybe one day you will see the fullness of my Word.

      April 30, 2013 at 11:00 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Oh, brother. "One day, you will see the fullness of my Word."

      Yeah, you don't have a god complex, do you, LL?

      Think you're some sort of prophet? Your word is full all right. Full of drivel.

      April 30, 2013 at 11:02 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Hg,

      My desires to see and think 'outside the boxes' seems to irritate you. I'm so sorry for not wanting to be boxed in as your mind seems to be. :-(

      April 30, 2013 at 11:07 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Tommie,

      Who is it you make me out to be? God or prophet? Perhaps one, maybe both? All that I am is just a 'son of man'.

      April 30, 2013 at 11:15 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @lionly

      Are you just incapable of actually practicing reading comprehension on posts with common vernacular? Or are you such a dishonest little douche that you will claim you're not dishonest while being completely disingenuous about your own tactic.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:00 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      John 1:1-5 (Jesus is "the Word")

      1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
      2 The same was in the beginning with God.
      3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
      4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
      5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. (KJV)

      Amen. +

      May 1, 2013 at 3:58 pm |
    • Thinker23

      "God does not need religions to be God. " - I agree. People, however, need something to believe in as your preach above proves... and, as most other religions, yours also claims that it is the only truth and that all other faiths are wrong.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:19 am |
  16. Jason

    Enough already with this, Hitler was evil and he was put down like a dog, too bad he killed himself instead of some lucky soldier getting the chance. WW2 ended over 65 years ago, we have plenty to remember it by, give it a rest. Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietname, etc, enough with the war memorials and their PRBS. This is only to stir up patriotism so the next time they need people to die for their country they have plenty. And don't give me that, "those who do not learn from the past are destined to repeat it", I don't need to be told not to round people up and kill them.

    April 30, 2013 at 3:29 pm |
    • trollintraining

      I have allerted the ADL.

      April 30, 2013 at 4:03 pm |
    • Maybe you don't

      Maybe you don't need a reminder of how bad hate can get, but others do. Sadly others still haven't figured it out yet.

      April 30, 2013 at 6:44 pm |
  17. ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

    Abortion is justified by dogma of dog ism,secular ism, self center ism in hindrance to truth absolute of right of life of a fetus, A living being with in process of growth according to dark matter, or his spirit. also known as program, nothing can be formed without. it is a crime of a worst kind against defense less by hindu atheist, self centered, deserving of prosecution as killer of living being, because, SEED IS A PLANT, AND PLANT IS A SEED, IT SPROUTED FROM.

    April 30, 2013 at 2:37 pm |
    • meifumado

      Shame that the prophet of Islam was not aborted.

      April 30, 2013 at 3:30 pm |
    • Science, medicine and pain control

      http://www.doctorsonfetalpain.com/

      April 30, 2013 at 6:46 pm |
  18. meifumado

    And your Bartender.

    April 30, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
  19. POTUS says "God bless you" at the end of Planned Parenthood speech?

    What about the Holocaust of 70 million plus babies? Obama/Gosnell=Murder Inc. Besides Obama is trying to create a 2nd Holocaust with Israel by placing their enemies at their borders, arming them to the hilt with M1A1 main battle tanks and F-16's, and then dividing up the land and changing those borders to make them indefensible. And yet the Jews stilll support him? They may as well just line up for the gas chambers. Fools. What kind of person supports the murder of defensless people? If babies carried guns, maybe they wouldn't be aborted. God bless us? Really? Ain't gonna happen.

    April 30, 2013 at 11:09 am |
    • sam

      Seriously, shut the hell up. Don't you have a right-wing manifesto you're supposed to be busy writing?

      April 30, 2013 at 11:17 am |
    • Pole dancing for Jesus

      Idiot

      April 30, 2013 at 11:18 am |
    • So you approve of the slitting of babies throats and snipping their spinal cords with scissors?

      What's the matter, a baby swimming in the toilet appeals to your demon-possessed mind? You support the spilling of innocent blood on the altar of abortion? Don't be surprised when God judges this nation for not stopping this atrocity. Don't be surprised if it's more than the 70 million+ who were aborted that get THEIR blood spilled in the streets of this wicked nation. God is patient and desires that we repent. Thanks to people like you, this does not seem likely.

      April 30, 2013 at 11:27 am |
    • meifumado

      It's a woman's body and she may decide what to do with it, A fetus is not a developed baby.
      You and your insane beliefs may not tell others what to do with their bodies.

      April 30, 2013 at 11:48 am |
    • meifumado

      And there are no gods to judge us, that's all in your head.

      April 30, 2013 at 11:49 am |
    • seyedibar

      I'm not sure I should even care about dead fetuses that aren't even my own. Is this because of that nonsense where people think we have souls trapped somewhere in our body? because that's silly.

      April 30, 2013 at 12:40 pm |
    • Ted Jones

      Baby – A very young child, esp. one newly or recently born.

      I believe you mean fetus, not baby

      April 30, 2013 at 1:51 pm |
    • Ted Jones

      People I give you the perfect example of a delusional christian who sees demons.

      April 30, 2013 at 1:52 pm |
    • Livilla

      Oh look! Another tea troll!

      April 30, 2013 at 2:58 pm |
    • Ted Jones is a hypocrite

      You are the same type who oooh's and ahhhh's over what you think may have been a puddle of water on Mars that PROVES there once was LIFE there! Yet, a living breathing BABY is not life?! Ladies and gentlemen-the reprobate mind in action.

      April 30, 2013 at 3:04 pm |
    • sam stone

      Wow, a reprobate mind.....pretty scary

      April 30, 2013 at 3:12 pm |
    • kermit gosnell

      ss, maybe some foreign invader(Russian, Chinese, North Korean) will snip your spine for ya. We'll see how you like it.

      April 30, 2013 at 5:09 pm |
    • Ted Jones

      Ted Jones is a hypocrite

      You are the same type who oooh's and ahhhh's over what you think may have been a puddle of water on Mars that PROVES there once was LIFE there! Yet, a living breathing BABY is not life?! Ladies and gentlemen-the reprobate mind in action.
      ...
      What????????????? "Yet, a living breathing BABY is not life?" UMMMMM fetus gets all of its oxygen and nutrients through the placenta and umbilical cord-a process called fetal circulation.

      April 30, 2013 at 8:02 pm |
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