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Heaven for atheists? Pope sparks debate
Pope Francis greets the faithful as he leaves St. Peter's Square at the end of his weekly audience April 10 at the Vatican.
May 23rd, 2013
03:59 PM ET

Heaven for atheists? Pope sparks debate

By Dan Merica, CNN

(CNN) -– American atheists welcomed Pope Francis’ comments that God redeems nonbelievers, saying that the new pontiff's historic outreach is helping to topple longstanding barriers.

“The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone,” the pope told worshipers at morning Mass on Wednesday. “‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!”

Francis continued, “We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there.”

Roy Speckhardt, executive director of the American Humanist Association, said that although he has been skeptical of Francis' outreach to the nonreligious, he welcomed Wednesday’s comments.

“I gather from this statement that his view of the world's religious and philosophical diversity is expanding,” Speckhardt said. “While humanists have been saying for years that one can be good without a god, hearing this from the leader of the Catholic Church is quite heartening."

He continued, “If other religious leaders join him, it could do much to reduce the automatic distrust and discrimination that atheists, humanists, and other nontheists so regularly face. “

Francis’ comments received a great deal of attention on social media, with a number of people asking whether the Catholic leader believes that atheists and agnostics go to heaven, too.

On Thursday, the Vatican issued an “explanatory note on the meaning to ‘salvation.'"

The Rev. Thomas Rosica, a Vatican spokesman, said that people who aware of the Catholic church “cannot be saved” if they “refuse to enter her or remain in her.”

At the same time, Rosica writes, “every man or woman, whatever their situation, can be saved. Even non-Christians can respond to this saving action of the Spirit. No person is excluded from salvation simply because of so-called original sin.”

Rosica also said that Francis had “no intention of provoking a theological debate on the nature of salvation,” during his homily on Wednesday.

Although the pope's comments about salvation surprised some, bishops and experts in Catholicism say Francis was expressing a core tenet of the faith.

"Francis was clear that whatever graces are offered to atheists (such that they may be saved) are from Christ," the Rev. John Zuhlsdorf, a conservative Catholic priest, wrote on his blog.

"He was clear that salvation is only through Christ’s Sacrifice.  In other words, he is not suggesting – and I think some are taking it this way – that you can be saved, get to heaven, without Christ."

Chad Pecknold, an assistant professor of theology at the Catholic University of America, agreed with Zuhlsdorf, pointing out that the pope’s comments came on the Feast of Saint Rita, the Catholic patron saint of impossible things.

“The remarks about atheists show that there is even a saint for atheists,” Pecknold said. “Including all of humanity, on this day especially, remarks like that are almost called for.”

“To stress that the gospel redeems all people, including atheists, is the teaching of the church,” he added. “This is an objective fact that the church believes.”

Greg Epstein, the humanist chaplain at Harvard University, said Francis' comments reflect “the interfaith and inter-community work many of us nontheists are dedicated to.”

That said, Epstein hopes that lay Catholics are listening.

“I hope Catholics, and all people hearing the pope's statement, will recognize that his words about atheists need to symbolize much more than just a curiosity or an exception to the rule,” Epstein said. “If someone thinks there are only a few atheists out there doing good just like Catholics do, that's a major misunderstanding that can lead to prejudice and discrimination.”

The pope’s comments come a few months after he told worshipers that Catholics should be close to all men and women, including those who don’t belong to any religious tradition.

"In this we feel the closeness also of those men and women who, while not belonging to any religious tradition, feel, however the need to search for the truth, the goodness and the beauty of God, and who are our precious allies in efforts to defend the dignity of man, in the building of a peaceful coexistence between peoples and in the careful protection of creation,” Francis said shortly after his election as pope in March.

Even atheists like David Silverman, president of American Atheists, who has had an antagonistic relationship with the Catholic church, welcomed the pope’s remarks.

“While the concept of Jesus dying for atheists is wrong on many levels (especially given that Jesus himself promised hell for blasphemers), I can appreciate the pope's `good faith' effort to include atheists in the moral discussion,” Silverman said.

“Atheists on the whole want no part in Catholicism, of course, but we are all interested in basic human rights.”

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Atheism • Belief • Catholic Church • Christianity • Pope Francis • Vatican

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  1. be honest

    zero proof, EVER, that a god or heaven exist. All invisible stuff, the popes never seen either.

    Yet the IDIOT makes claims about heaven. What a sick r-e-t-a-r-d

    Maybe he ought to pay attention to the real world and help those abused.

    May 24, 2013 at 12:20 pm |
  2. us_1776

    The Sky Fairy does not exist.

    GET OVER IT !!

    .

    May 24, 2013 at 12:20 pm |
    • TrueBelievers

      Really? Then where the heck did anything come from?

      May 24, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
    • ME II

      @TrueBelievers,
      Yeah, where did your God come from?

      May 24, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
    • Doug

      us_1776, you are going to have a very rude awakening when you cross over to the other side. I pray that you find the truth before your earthly life is over. "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"
      Hebrews 9:27

      May 24, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
    • TrueBelievers

      There is an efficient cause for everything; nothing can be the efficient cause of itself.
      It is not possible to regress to infinity in efficient causes.
      To take away the cause is to take away the effect.
      If there be no first cause then there will be no others.
      Therefore, a First Cause exists (and this is God).

      May 24, 2013 at 12:26 pm |
    • Buck Rogers

      Neither does all of NASA's astro-evolutionary fakery.....

      http://www.fountainsofthegreatdeep.com/baikonur.htm

      May 24, 2013 at 12:26 pm |
    • snowboarder

      @doug, ah yes. threats of eternal torture. you have to love a religion who's very premise is based on fear.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:26 pm |
    • Gozer

      Doug, better google "Pascal's Wager" and learn why your statement is unsupportable. Otherwise, you'll make yourself look even more ignorant and stupid.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
    • TrueBelievers

      Trust me, it's better to believe in God. You don't want to spend 80 years on Earth not believing, and be punished for more than 500 trillion years in Hell. Plus, if you believe in God, you can commit all kinds of sins, because God will forgive you.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
    • snowboarder

      @believer, i love the cowards excuse for believing in god. afraid of an unsubstantiated and imaginary punishment. pathetic.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:31 pm |
    • ME II

      @Doug,
      What other side?

      @TrueBelievers,
      "There is an efficient cause for everything; nothing can be the efficient cause of itself."

      That statement seems to contradict this statement:

      "Therefore, a First Cause exists (and this is God)."

      May 24, 2013 at 12:31 pm |
    • derp

      " you are going to have a very rude awakening when you cross over to the other side "

      And when you get to the other side and realize you have been worshipping the wrong god your whole life you are going to get a very rude awakening as well.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:31 pm |
    • TrueBelievers

      why would logic even exist in the universe. I don't believe in logic. It implies a creator, though.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:35 pm |
    • ME II

      @TrueBelievers,
      "I don't believe in logic. It implies a creator, though."

      Again, this seems contradictory. If you don't believe in logic, but it implies a creator, then why do you believe in a creator and/or why don't you believe in logic?

      You appear confused, but maybe that's because you don't believe in logic.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
    • TrueBelievers

      i AM confused. I believe in God through FAITH. i Don't understand logic, but I concede that if it exists, it might be created by God. It would seem odd to me that a world with mathematics and logic would have no creator. I could understand why one could believe that these are solely human inventions, however.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
    • ME II

      @TrueBelivers,
      You don't believe in logic, yet you try to make an argument using logic:

      " It would seem odd to me that a world with mathematics and logic would have no creator."

      How does that work?

      May 24, 2013 at 1:09 pm |
    • HA25

      The solution to your problem, TrueBeliever – is not Faith. It's EDUCATION.

      May 24, 2013 at 1:15 pm |
    • TrueBelievers

      mostly intuition without the use of logic

      May 24, 2013 at 2:52 pm |
    • ME II

      @TrueBelievers,
      "mostly intuition without the use of logic"

      Well, you certainly make little sense. If it weren't for the fact that you keep trying construct an actual argument, I might believe you.

      May 24, 2013 at 3:24 pm |
    • John Stemberger

      TrueBelievers

      mostly intuition without the use of logic
      ..........................
      This explains your ignorance

      May 28, 2013 at 1:41 pm |
  3. Smarter than U

    Wow, very cool. The Pope comes out and acknowledges just behave with or without god. That is all that is necessary of you.

    May 24, 2013 at 12:20 pm |
    • Rosa

      Smarter than U....know the TRUTH...it found in one place in the Bible. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
      John 16:13

      May 24, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
  4. KewlWhip

    "Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing"

    May 24, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
  5. TrueBelievers

    um. WRONG. God punishes atheists with ETERNAL hell and suffering. Someone once told me that God would never punish someone FOREVER but only punish you for one trillion years. That's WRONG. one trillion years is NOTHING compared to all eternity. And that's what the bible says, ALL ETERNITY. if anything, God punishes an athetist child for maybe 10 trillion years, which is much closer to eternity.

    May 24, 2013 at 12:18 pm |
    • snowboarder

      @believer, that is truly nutty. how can anyone believe such lunacy?

      May 24, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
    • TrueBelievers

      uh. READ THE BIBLE. DUH.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
    • shhhh

      TrueBellyfat, shhh, don't tell the nonbelievers that about our killer sky fairy or they'll never buy into our god scam and we won't have enough money for our next bbq.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:20 pm |
    • snowboarder

      @believer, if the bible tells you that, you certainly shouldn't be taking it seriously. honestly, the entire christian doctrine is absurd.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
    • LIsaM

      Are you sure you don't just need a hug and a cookie?

      May 24, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
    • TrueBelievers

      It's what me and Obama believe. And the rest of the world believes it too. So who's the silly one? Go vote for your atheist candidate. Guess what? It will never happen. Because only silly people don't believe in God.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
    • Buck Rogers

      "All flesh shall worship before thee" and "the leaves of the tree of life are for the healing of the nations". Search the Scriptures carefully.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
    • Susan StoHelit

      Amazing that you are willing to say in public that you follow such a vile being. Anyone like that that was real would be considered the worst of all insane dictators, far worse than the Holocaust where they 'merely' tortured people for a few years. By you, your god is worse than that.

      And you openly say you follow? Even fear wouldn't make me follow someone who would do that.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
    • TrueBelievers

      It's not God that keeps you in Hell, it's the Devil, and he IS a dictator and a mean guy. God can always save you from Hell because he has more power than the Devil, but I think he doesn't because it's really hard to do it all the time. Like running a marathon everyday.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:36 pm |
    • sonny chapman

      It is not one's "beliefs" or the Blood Sacrifice of Jesus that reunites us w/the Father. Jesus said we will be judged by how we obeyed THE WORD as found in the Four Gospels,Matthew 25,31;John 12,44.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
    • HA25

      TrueBelievers – you are really making it up as you go along.. Athiest kids get 10 Trillion years? Where's that in any scripture? He doesn't save people from eternal hell because He's TOO TIRED? Are you Kidding me? You are projecting your fears and desires onto "God" and hoping like heck you're right. Your flavor is one of a billion flavors of this ill-defined God and each flavor is made to suit each person's fears.

      May 24, 2013 at 1:19 pm |
    • Arthur Bryant

      Scary that you can vote.

      May 26, 2013 at 11:43 pm |
  6. puppynut5

    I'm an atheist and wasn't worried at all & still don't really care. But you know... I'm somewhat of a fan of this pope. He needs to change his views on other things such as on birth control & such.. However, his views are much more progressive, accepting & lying in the right areas. A pope who doesn't exalt the rich. Even though the other popes knew what the Bible said about the poor they could have cared less. He "appears" to be a good man.

    May 24, 2013 at 12:16 pm |
    • Rosa

      My friend...read the Bible for yourself, ready and study with understanding. I know you love progress, but God is still the same, Holy, Holy, Holy. That is why He sent His only Son Jesus Christ, so that we can accept Him and He can make us Holy as we prepare for His return. You may not care now, but a time is coming when we will sit before the Real Judge God...time is running out....turn to God and you will not be ashamed. Read John 3 in its entirety, do not follow crowds, follow Jesus Christ , if you know the Crucification story, one thief together with others, (crowd) was mocking Jesus Christ, the other was sorry for his sin and talked to Jesus that He remember Him and Jesus Christ said there will be together in paradise...

      May 24, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
    • derp

      "time is running out"

      Really?

      Exactly how do you know this?

      May 24, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
  7. Chad

    @Chad "Jesus most certainly did not proclaim that there was any other way to Heaven, than Him. That way is open to anyone, not just the Jews (which is what He was showing by engaging with gentiles), but it is the ONLY way. You are engaging in misleading people to claim anything else.

    @Doc Vestibule "And yet Peter says the opposite in Acts 10:34
    Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35 but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. 36 You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. 37 You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.

    Nope – nothin' about the throny crowned carpenter there...

    @Chad "I think you are confused.. did you read the entire thing?

    That way is open to anyone, not just the Jews (which is what He was showing by engaging with gentiles), but it is the ONLY way. You are engaging in misleading people to claim anything else.

    May 24, 2013 at 12:16 pm |
    • Rachel

      You tell 'em Chad. That's me boy 🙂

      May 24, 2013 at 12:18 pm |
    • Hope

      "That way is open to anyone, not just the Jews (which is what He was showing by engaging with gentiles), but it is the ONLY way. You are engaging in misleading people to claim anything else"

      - Very true indeed!

      May 24, 2013 at 12:18 pm |
    • Really?

      Now I'm pretty sure you completely missed the point of what the Pope said. I'm an atheist...I don't really care what the Pope says, but I do kind of like this guy. He's got a lot of work to do, though, to fix the catholic church. I have a friend who is a rabbi, and she told me the Jews accept Atheists as well. I feel loved!

      May 24, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
  8. Doug

    The Bible IS The Living Word of God and
    The Living Word of God is JESUS CHRIST.
    The bottom line: life is about making choices. There are two options on the table -
    1) accept Jesus Christ as your God, Lord, King, and Savior, and you will inherit eternal life. If not,
    (2) the lake of fire is ultimately your eternal destiny.
    I hope and pray that you choose eternal life and not eternal death with hell fire and brimstone that will ultimately transition into the lake of fire.

    May 24, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
    • snowboarder

      lol! sure. those are the choices.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
    • Brian

      Doug, sounds like your sky creature is a murderous ass hole. So, no thanks. Please keep your fables to yourself. Same for your false dichotomy, stupid.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
    • Madtown

      There are two options on the table
      -----
      There are many more options than that. You leave out many of your human brothers/sisters, who've never heard of Jesus and christianity.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
    • derp

      You forgot about the third option.

      Accepting Muhammad as gods personal messenger and getting to bang 72 virgins after you die.

      You forgot that one.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:36 pm |
    • HA25

      Another Option. God admits he never meant to send 10's of Billions of people throughout history to Eternal Hell b/c Eve and Adam ate a friggin apple. He comes to earth; walks among us like He did in the Garden, and removes doubt and need for faith. Forgives all and REMAINS among us where, I guarantee, people will quickly begin to live in peace and worship Him.

      Or, he can remain the "man" behind the curtain waiting for a few to believe based on 1 book and "Faith".

      The latter is clearly a losing option. God would not choose it.

      May 24, 2013 at 1:28 pm |
    • Arthur Bryant

      Spew hogwash much? Do you actually get off on picturing all us evil unbelievers writhing in agony?

      May 26, 2013 at 11:45 pm |
  9. Future Cyber HeavenSent

    Atheists....blogs......hell..............malfunction. Worms........dripping.......Jesus Jesus Jesus........burn.......malfunction malfunction atheists hell heaven hell heaven His word heaven.............can't compute...........malfunction............no hell atheists no burn..........malfunction.................. *poof*

    May 24, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
  10. Bill

    I hope somebody understands what the Pope said, but I sure didn't. It sounds to me like something a politician would say to purposely muddy the water. But whatever the case, Jesus was perfectly clear on the subject. He said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to the Father except through Me."

    May 24, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
    • Susan StoHelit

      He said you can communicate with atheists on the level that we do good, you do good – that's something to work together on.

      The other bit – that we aren't excluded from heaven if we ever later choose to join the church – that is their belief. The news is that he's willing to see atheists as merely other good people.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
  11. Bob

    So let me get this straight...atheists who live a good life, will not be allowed by God into heaven...but the numerous child pedophile Catholic priests, and the Cardinals who cover up the priests'criminal actions, go to Heaven?...So if atheists start molesting children, they will qualify for Heaven?

    May 24, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
    • cdub

      Did you not read the article? It says that atheists WILL go to heaven if they have done good deeds. Everyone will have a chance, regardless. You just have to be a good and decent person.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:36 pm |
    • HA25

      methinks, cdub – YOU didn't read the article. That's not what was said. Vatican cleared that up pretty darn well.

      May 24, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
  12. Buck Rogers

    Ok, so Heaven is real and we all go there to face judgement after Christ voices the first and second resurrections, that's obvious... But what about the International Fake Station? Is NASA fulfilling biblical prophecy as Apollo (Satan) is their "king" deceiving the entire world with 'astro-evolution'??

    http://www.fountainsofthegreatdeep.com/IFS.htm

    May 24, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
    • snowboarder

      lol! i forgot about your childish website nasarthebest.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:18 pm |
    • Arthur Bryant

      Why yes, and World of Warcraft is real, too.

      May 26, 2013 at 11:50 pm |
  13. Vic

    This is an issue of Time Dispensation, which Christian denominations disputed about throughout history (of which is Faith vs. Works,) where a lot of the Bible Scripture DOES NOT APPLY since the Dispensation of Grace through Salvation of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!!!

    The Lord Jesus Christ was born under the Law and ministered to His people accordingly! He fulfilled the Law on our behalf, died on the Holy Cross for the Remission of our sins (became sin and curse for us,) descended to hell and defeated death (keys of which were held by Satan,) rose from the dead on the third day bringing us Eternal Life and Reconciliation with God the Father, and then ascended to Heaven promising us the Holy Spirit and preparing the place for us. That was the commencement of the Dispensation of Grace and the End of the Law!

    The Sermon on the Mount is an example of the Dispensation of the Law!

    Furthermore, this has been an ongoing Limited Atonement vs. Unlimited Atonement debate for a long time already! The reason not many people know about this debate is that it has been primarily denominational!

    Related Post:
    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/19/proofs-of-heaven-popular-but-not-with-the-church/comment-page-43/#comment-2354912

    May 24, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
    • shhhh

      Vic, pssst, most people don't know about that because it's just more noise on top of the rest of your god scam junk. Shit on more shit on toast, essentially – better to ignore the lot of it.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
    • Arthur Bryant

      Ooh, lots of exclamation points and italics. Makes it much more convincing.

      May 26, 2013 at 11:51 pm |
  14. Aerin

    This Pope is different, not so bad.

    Atheist and Proud.

    May 24, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
  15. Mr. Bo

    But gays will not be allowed?

    May 24, 2013 at 12:09 pm |
    • derp

      Only if they are gay atheists.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
    • John Stemberger

      They will not enter Heaven

      May 24, 2013 at 4:03 pm |
  16. John

    Google "The Fewness of the Saved" and learn the Truth. The Pope is trying to spread love, but what he did yesterday was dangerous. The path to salvation is narrow, like a razor's edge. "Heaven for atheists" is not an appropriate translation of the Pope's message.

    May 24, 2013 at 12:09 pm |
    • Science

      Hey John there is no heaven it is a JOKE .

      May 24, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
  17. Rosa

    For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.10:13. Whosoever means anyone, Jews, Gentiles, Muslims, Catholics, Protestants, Africans, Caucasians..Atheists, however you designate yourself..regardless of your religious, race, tribe simply put anyone that call on Jesus Christ...He saves from the power of sin, death and grants you Eternal life...which is knowing the True God, Father and Jesus Christ.

    May 24, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
  18. Kevin

    Thank god, I was worried I would go to hell for not believing {rolls eyes}

    May 24, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
    • Rosa

      Kevin, let me tell you the truth, if you not believe in Jesus Christ, now you will not have a relationship with the Father God and you will not make it to Heaven, that is the truth, but you have today tomorrow is not guaranteed. You have to believe that you are a sinner in need of a Savior, the Holy Spirit shows you this about you, and then God open your eyes and ears the understand the Mystery of Jesus Christ, death, burial and Resurrection. If God is drawing you to study His word, do not say no, if there are people in your life inviting you to go to Church where the Bible is taught do not say no...when you hear about the truth of Jesus Christ how He love you then you know for sure for yourself that you can not enter Heaven without Him..Read John 3:16-17.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
  19. nguyen

    If you are an atheist, why do you care about going to heaven or hell?

    May 24, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
    • Danno

      We don't.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
    • ME II

      This is about the Pope and Catholics being more inclusive, not Atheists wanting admittance.

      Speckhardt said. “While humanists have been saying for years that one can be good without a god, hearing this from the leader of the Catholic Church is quite heartening."

      May 24, 2013 at 12:09 pm |
    • snowboarder

      the atheists didn't ask. the pope stated.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
    • Susan StoHelit

      We don't. We care about being treated as human beings, and not painted as satan's minions and treated as such – as many religions tend to do. For a long time, atheists have been the boogeyman in many church sermons (not speaking of Catholics – of Christian churches in general), and when you are painted as such by a preacher, it tends to lead to bigotry and mistreatment – people are threatened, harassed, fired, lose custody of their kids for being atheist, because of this crap.

      So, someone saying we're on an equal footing is a good thing, that we meet in doing good – is a good thing.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:20 pm |
  20. JL

    I find it interesting and revealing that so many so called humanists and atheists care what the Pope says. If God does not exist as they claim they believe, then the Pope and others who have dedicated their life to the faith are the biggest fools on the planet. Why would and atheist care what they say? Conversely, if there is a God that gave His son to redeem all men, wouldn't those who have not yet accepted this truth have a longing for Christ?

    May 24, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
    • Danno

      We care because, unfortunately, the pope and other religious leaders have political clout.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:03 pm |
    • Guest

      "Pope and others who have dedicated their life to the faith are the biggest fools on the planet." Of course they are not. The fools are those who give money to them.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
    • nosnobunny

      Personally I find it rather unfortunate and somewhat insulting that the current Pope thinks I need redemption. I don't.

      May 24, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
    • hee hee

      You've found us out! We long for Christ. Oh, the ache. The hole in my heart... owee!

      May 24, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
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