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May 29th, 2013
03:06 PM ET

Poll: America losing its religion

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) – More than three in four of Americans say religion is losing its influence in the United States, according to a new survey, the highest such percentage in more than 40 years. A nearly identical percentage says that trend bodes ill for the country.

"It may be happening, but Americans don't like it," Frank Newport, Gallup's editor in chief, said of religion's waning influence. "It is clear that a lot of Americans don't think this is a good state of affairs."

According to the Gallup survey released Wednesday, 77% of Americans say religion is losing its influence. Since 1957, when the question was first asked, Americans' perception of religion's power has never been lower.

According to the poll, 75% of Americans said the country would be better off if it were more religious.

The poll doesn't reflect Americans' personal religiosity, such as church attendance, but rather how large events and trends shape shared views, Newport explained.

For example, the sexual revolution, the Vietnam War and the rise of the counterculture fed the perception that religion was on the wane during the late 1960s, he said.

Views of a secularizing America peaked in 1969 and 1970, when 75% of Americans said faith was losing its clout in society. A similar view dominated from 1991-94 and from 2007 to the present.

Americans saw religion increasing its influence in 1957, in 1962 and at a few points during the Reagan presidency in 1980. This number also spiked to its highest point ever - 71% - after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

The pollster didn't speculate on the contemporary factors that led to the current views on faith's influence.

Still, the poll numbers are dramatically influenced by church attendance, according to Gallup. More than 90% of people who attend church weekly responded that a more religious America would be positive, compared with 58% of Americans who attended church "less often."

The Gallup poll was conducted via telephone from May 2 to May 7. A total of 1,535 people were sampled for the poll, which has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Atheism • Belief • United States

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  1. Oh, calm down.

    Honestly. Pray in private. We all know who preached that. Religion, including my own, has no place in the government. Stop trying to make it that way, because the second we allow Christianity to run the place is the second we allow Islam or Judaism or any other religion run the place. Calm down. Your faith is your business.

    May 30, 2013 at 3:24 pm |
    • Reality

      It is impossible to say faith is private when the following continues unabated:

      As the koranic/mosque driven acts of terror and horror continue:

      The Muslim Conquest of India – 11th to 18th century

      ■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

      and the 19 million killed in the Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C by Muslims.

      and more recently

      1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

      1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

      2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

      3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US troops killed in action, 3,480 and 928 in non combat roles. 102,522 – 112,049 Iraqi civilians killed as of 9/16/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, land mines and bombs of various types, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

      4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

      5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

      6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

      7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

      8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

      9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

      10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,385 killed in action, 273 killed in non-combat situations as of 09/15/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

      11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

      12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

      13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

      14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

      15 The daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings in the terror world of Islam.

      16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

      17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

      18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.

      19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011

      20) two American troops killed in Germany by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011

      21) the kidnapping and apparent killing of a follower of Zoraster in the dark world of Islamic Pakistan.

      22) Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN 3/30/2011) - Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl. Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70 and died a week later.

      23) "October 4, 2011, 100 die as a truck loaded with drums of fuel exploded Tuesday at the gate of compound housing several government ministries on a busy Mogadishu street. It was the deadliest single bombing carried out by the al Qaeda-linked al-Shabab group in Somalia since their insurgency began. "

      o 24) Mon Jun 4, 2012 10:18am EDT
      o
      BAGHDAD (Reuters) – A suicide bomber detonated an explosive-packed car outside a Shi'ite Muslim office in central Baghdad on Monday, killing at least 26 people and wounding more than 190 in an attack bearing the hallmarks of Iraq's al Qaeda affiliate.

      The bombing on a Shi'ite religious office comes at a sensitive time, with the country's fractious Shi'ite, Sunni and Kurdish blocs locked in a crisis that threatens to unravel their power-sharing deal and spill into sectarian tensions."

      25) BURGAS, Bulgaria | Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:27am EDT

      (Reuters) – A suicide bomber carried out an attack that killed seven people in a bus transporting Israeli tourists in Bulgaria, the interior minister said on Thursday, and Israel said Iranian-backed Hezbollah militants were to blame.

      26 ) September 12, 2012
      U.S. AMBASSADOR KILLED
      Envoy to Libya dies in rocket blast

      27) Boston Marathon horror – April 2013, four dead, hundreds injured and maimed for life. A
      Continued below:

      May 30, 2013 at 3:29 pm |
    • houseofgord.com

      "following continues unabated:......The Muslim Conquest of India – 11th to 18th century"

      You do understand what "unabated" means?

      May 30, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      2 Peter 1:21

      For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.

      Amen.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:41 pm |
  2. houseofgord.com

    It's funny how ignorant many of the people on here are. They try to compare the 19th century inst itution of slavery with that of the inst itution of slavery from 1,000 BCE.
    Why don't you just compare 21st century medicine with those from the 9th century? That would be fair right?

    And how about all the members of the grammar gestapo on here committing ad hominems? Now if you really cannot understand what a commentor is saying....ok. But if your counter to their position lies on their use of grammar, then you got a problem.

    May 30, 2013 at 3:23 pm |
    • Melissa

      What about owning another person has changed over the last thousand years?

      Medicine has improved because of science.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:33 pm |
    • Huebert

      So the way people were owned 3000 years ago was somehow kinder than the way people were owned 170 years ago?

      May 30, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
    • ME II

      @houseofgord.com,
      "They try to compare the 19th century inst itution of slavery with that of the inst itution of slavery from 1,000 BCE.
      Why don't you just compare 21st century medicine with those from the 9th century? That would be fair right?"

      If they are similar in principle then a comparison may be warranted, i.e. property, "chattel".

      "You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly." (Lev 25)

      Medicine on the other hand has changed in principle, i.e. cells, germ theory, genetics, antibiotics, etc. Whereas, 9th century medicine often dealt with concepts like "humours":
      "Bloodletting, the surgical removal of blood, was used to cure a patient of bad 'humours' considered deleterious to one’s health."
      (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world)

      May 30, 2013 at 3:36 pm |
    • TDM

      You're doing just as fine of a job in the ad hominem department, sweetie. What are you, the thread Nanny?

      Keep religion out of our laws. As it was meant to be.
      Anything else is fine. Believe as you like.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
    • Dippy

      Pointing out mistakes in grammar is done to draw attention to the writer's lack of intelligence. These blogs are anonymous and the only way to judge a poster's intelligence is by their writing ability. Poorer writing = lower intelligence = religious beliefs. See the connection?

      May 30, 2013 at 3:38 pm |
    • houseofgord.com

      Huebert- tell me the racial aspect back 3,000 years ago in slavery

      May 30, 2013 at 3:40 pm |
    • lol??

      The rich have done a Big Bang-up job with slavery in 2,000 AD. Say hello to the pastor-in-chief for me.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:40 pm |
    • Huebert

      So are you saying it is acceptable for me to own people so long as they are the same race as me?

      May 30, 2013 at 3:42 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Fools are slaves to unbelief.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:43 pm |
    • ME II

      @houseofgord.com
      "tell me the racial aspect back 3,000 years ago in slavery"

      Are you saying that the only thing wrong with modern slavery is the racism?

      May 30, 2013 at 3:44 pm |
    • houseofgord.com

      TDM, feeling guilt? I wouldn't know why since I've only pointed out a fact. You don't commit such ad hominems do you?

      May 30, 2013 at 3:49 pm |
    • Huebert

      @gord

      I see you can't or won't answer my question.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:53 pm |
    • houseofgord.com

      Of course not ME II, where did you get that idea from?
      But it was an example of how it (the 19th century aspect of slavery) is different than what was going on 3,000 years ago yes? That was the only point, anything else was created in your imagination.

      Do you agree or not agree with people taking modern or close to modern concepts and inst itutions and comparing them to cultures and civilizations thousands of years ago as wrong?

      I am sorry, but comparing the way we are today (or even the last 100+ years) and using that as a template for what is good and right then applying that to the ancients to show how they are backwards or stupid is just ethically and morally wrong.
      And even the use of what we deem as morally wrong and applying it to the practices of the ancients is also incorrect. Just because we do not think something is morally correct is not a starting point in an argument about why the ancients ,or by proxy their religion, are wrong.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:58 pm |
    • houseofgord.com

      Calm yourself Huebert, there are other things more important going on in the world than you.

      I've never said it was correct to own a slave under any circ umstances. Did I somewhere or are you just trying to take the argument into a different angle that is easier for you to make a stand?

      May 30, 2013 at 4:01 pm |
    • Saraswati

      This is essentially the same defense of biblical slavery we were getting from Chad and others a couple of months ago. It seems their compromise now is that the bible was supporting good and timely slavery and that they call modern and other cultures' forms of slavery bad because one is seen as racial and one not. It also seems from this guy that it's used for bon.dage site promotion, though, without actually visiting the site I can't say whether they really support slavery. I'd be va.guely curious to know if Christians are using the bible to support this kind of activity (which based on simple demographics wil probably be mostly Christians in the US), but not curious enough to waste time searching what are probably virus laden sites to find out.

      May 30, 2013 at 4:04 pm |
    • Saraswati

      house, I don't normally like to respond to posts that are involved in site promotion as yours appears to be. However, you seem to be missing the point with regard to slavery and the bible. Either you are saying it was OK at the time (which you now claim you were not) or the bible was supporting something that was not OK. Even if it had somehow been ok at the time (which you appear to have already agreed is not the case) it would make much more sense for a god to clarify when and where this was ok than to expect people to be using ancient inapplicable books as a model for living.

      You are, btw, oversimplifying slavery throughout history which has existed in many forms in many cultures for thousands of years, usually applying to those outside the immediate group.

      May 30, 2013 at 4:09 pm |
    • ME II

      @houseofgord.com,
      "I am sorry, but comparing the way we are today (or even the last 100+ years) and using that as a template for what is good and right then applying that to the ancients to show how they are backwards or stupid is just ethically and morally wrong."

      Ah, IF you are saying that we can't condemn the people of the ancient world for their practices, then I might agree.

      However, IF you are saying that the values codified in the OT are not to be condemned simply because they are old, then I would disagree. Primarily because supposedly God does not change and the Bible never condemns slavery.

      May 30, 2013 at 4:10 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @houseofgord

      First, racial reasons why one person owned another was vastly different between 19th century and 1000 BC, the real difference lay in that 19th century didn't discriminate between a black person from Congo and a black person from Nigeria whereas in 1000BC slaves were usually taken by conquest of a specific people, like Caannites. Not much of a difference nor does it disqualify a comparison.

      Second, you are clearly missing the point that Huebert and ME II are making. Slavery, regardless of time period can be equated because the idea of slavery hasn't changed. It's one person owning another person. You can get into some gritty details and claim that back then in both time periods, slaveholders saw their slaves as less than human, but in our contemporary view we know that clearly isn't the case. Medicine on the other hand is different. It's changed drastically between the 19th century and now. There's no denying that.

      Lastly, why should we be barred from comparing how we view something from 100's of years ago through our present day lens? How else would you want modern day people to study the past? Through the lens of the past? Are we supposed to rationalize and ultimately forgive those who kept slaves? The answer is no. Just because the people of the past rationalized why keeping slaves was fine, the action itself is still pretty reprehensible.

      Furthermore, if you are a christian and you believe that under no circu.mstance a person should own another person then you can comment on the religious aspect based solely on the fact that your god is supposed to be a moral arbiter who didn't make laws for ancient people but for all time. If you and I both agree that slavery is wrong no matter what, then your god is less moral in our contemporary eyes than you. It's that simple.

      May 30, 2013 at 4:11 pm |
    • ME II

      Oh crap, @Saraswati you may be right, this may just be a troll for hits on their web site.

      Nuts!

      May 30, 2013 at 4:20 pm |
    • houseofgord.com

      Saraswati, never once did I say that slavery was correct. Never once has anyone been able to show where I ever implied it was correct.
      I was merely pointing out the error in comparing two different atti tudes and cultural norms with one another.

      "oversimplifying slavery throughout history" Isn't that what pretty much every atheist has done by comparing slavery in 19th century United States with that of 20th century BCE Mesopotamia?

      May 30, 2013 at 4:24 pm |
    • Saraswati

      ""oversimplifying slavery throughout history" Isn't that what pretty much every atheist has done by comparing slavery in 19th century United States with that of 20th century BCE Mesopotamia?"

      You'd need to point to specific cases of comparison and analyze each. If you are saying now comparisons can be made you may as well be arguing that we should use a different word in each case, which would be absurd since all forms of slavery have some shared characteristics which most Christians believe to be generally bad yet are promoted by the bible.

      I'm signing out of this conversation since I don't support use of this site for self promotion which is what you are doing.

      May 30, 2013 at 4:28 pm |
    • Huebert

      Gord

      I asked you how ancient slavery was kinder. You responded with the fact that more recent slavery had a racial aspect. Therefor I concluded that you believed that slavery not based on race was somehow kinder.

      The Idea that one human can own another is deplorable. The fact that the practice used to be accepted does not make it any less deplorable, now or then.

      May 30, 2013 at 4:29 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Sara and ME II

      Double nuts!

      May 30, 2013 at 4:32 pm |
    • House of Gord

      Huebert, I never once said it was kinder. What would be the point in answering a question like that?
      I suggest you ask relevant questions instead of trying to work me into a moral corner on things I never said.

      You seemed unable to grasp what my comment was about. Basically, doing the comparissons you implied are incorrect because there are differences between the "now" and the "then". I merely demonstrated this by pointing out the racial angle that was present in 19th century slavery in the US and the lack of it (as far as we know with history) back 3,000 years ago.

      May 30, 2013 at 6:18 pm |
    • House of Gord

      Saraswati, I wasn't supporting any website. It's more for fun to see who might go because it would be pretty evident if they did.

      And you are being asinine. I am not implying that there is so much of a difference between slavery then to now that one needs new vocabulary to talk about them. All I am saying is that if you are going to make comparissons, you have to show some sense.
      Obviously we Americans have a unique view on slavery that was shaped by our immediate past. This view should NOT cloud how we look at other cultures in other timeframes.

      What is the difference of the Spanish that came and condemed the Aztec way of life in the Age of Discovery because they saw it as "wrong" and those on here that want to condemn the ancients on what they think is wrong?

      May 30, 2013 at 6:25 pm |
    • House of Gord

      Chuckles, I agree that the reasons are vastly different. That's the point.
      If you were black in the 1850's in the South, you could be made a slave. Even if you were a free person. Just because you were of another race.
      It was not like that in the 10th century BCE. One could be a Caananite and be free.
      You also ignore the emotion behind our views on slavery as we know it. Peopl on here take their emotions that have been molded by our immediate history and morality and want to apply it to a time period that most know very little about and have no emotional connection to. That is incorrect.

      Like the study of any culture than our own, we should try to understand what it meant to the people.
      The people in the 19th and 18th centuries looked at the cultures of Africa with the lens of their "modern day" and look what happened. They judged them very incorrectly.

      In no way am I saying we should shuck off our views altogether when we are looking at the past. But we should not look at the past and judge them based on our views of morality.

      Saying the Torah is all wrong because there is a portion of it that we in today's society do not agree with is stupid.
      To take one item from the Torah that the modern reader would not agree with is dishonest.
      Why doesn't the atheists on here bring up not eating bats from the Torah? Bats are listed with birds, isn't that incorrect?
      But no, like many a devious politician out there, they want to use what has the most emotional bang for their buck.

      May 30, 2013 at 6:35 pm |
    • fred

      Again with the slavery sound bite. Chuckles you of all people should know better. God is revealed through the chosen ones exactly where they are in life not where they could have been or should have been. When man rejected Gods way the way of the world became his Garden not Eden. This Garden reflected the natural not the supernatural that is the presence of God. Man became a slave to his own desires and would toil in ground that would produce weeds. That issue of slavery never left this world. The Chosen ones were subject to 430 years of brutal slavery under Egypt and warned after they were freed by God from the slavery of Egypt to never treat others as they were oppressed in Egypt. Egypt is symbolic of the way of the world then and now. Today most of us are slaves to our desires, our mortgage, our life style and in many countries oppressed by their masters (whatever or whoever control then).
      Exactly how is working two jobs to feed your family today any different than working Abrahams land to feed your family and have a roof over your head? The sex slaves of Abrahams day may have even been treated better than the sex slaves of today.
      You are starting to sound more and more like the serpent than a lost child in the wilderness.

      May 30, 2013 at 9:14 pm |
    • kim

      Fred, for once I agree with you as slavery was as much a part of the labor intensive work force back then as cheap immigrant labor is today. Nike and Apple just call it outsourcing to lower cost centers.

      May 30, 2013 at 9:35 pm |
    • fred

      Kim
      Today God would say Apple and Nike should pay a fair days wages to their workers. "thou shall take for yourselves workers from the foreign lands and pay them living wages, your corporations that own these factories may pass them onto their children as their possessions"
      Yeah, I can just hear Chuckles claiming God condones sweat shops.

      May 30, 2013 at 9:46 pm |
  3. Organuz

    The given assumption behind the article seems to be that "religion" equals "church." Coming from that point of view pretty much negates your credibility.

    May 30, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
    • ME II

      This is an "opinion" poll; its power is in its history.

      "Since 1957, when the question was first asked, Americans' perception of religion's power has never been lower."

      May 30, 2013 at 3:25 pm |
  4. bipartisan770

    I mean, I used to be an atheist and I have great empathy and understanding for people right now who are spiritually blind, but PLEASE know that there is a Creator of us all and that He gave everything- His only Son so He could gain us. We are all sinners because man gave this world over to evil and Jesus Christ is the one who will cleanse us of our spiritual sickness. When God isn't around, there is no order and look what the world has become- it's in shambles as evil runs its course and then people call out "Why God do you let this happen?" This is the consequence of man's decision! We want nothing to do with God and he will not force anyone to live in love and go back to the source of it if they do not want it, but the consequence is living without God, and there is nothing good without the presence of its source. Look at the state of the world today: we glorify pride,greed, lust, promiscuity, hate, bullying, etc. I know it sounds crazy to one with a secular understanding, but God is the source of all purpose, happiness, holiness, promise, joy, and peace. and this world is NOT run by God. The world is given over to evil, and Jesus Christ is the way out of here to our perfect and good God. Without the presence of God, there is no joy or peace as God is the source of all that is good and right. Jesus Christ, my friends, is the only way back to our Creator, and God's hand is waiting for YOU to turn to Christ. Yes, YOU! We need to acknowledge that we are sinners in need of a Savior to help us grow into the being of love our God intends us to be if we so choose to take the invitation. YOU, yes YOU, can turn back to God at this very moment if you are sincere. Ask for forgiveness for your sins and ask Jesus Christ into your life to help you love as he loves, see the world as he sees it, and grow in truth and wisdom. Then follow the next steps he places in your heart because it is a process and you will begin to want to read the Bible, ask for the Holy Spirit to fill you (you can feel the presence and realize the reality of God's existence), get a full water immersion baptism, and follow the path that you feel in your heart. You will see your prayers come true and realize that yes, there is a Creator and yes, if you call on our God, you will feel the presence and it won't become "faith" anymore, it becomes knowledge. God bless you all and know Jesus Christ is waiting for you. 🙂 Live in love, kindness, meekness, honesty, charity, humbleness, empathy, compassion and see the work transform your life. God bless you all and please do not be deceived by this dark world.

    May 30, 2013 at 3:11 pm |
    • joe

      The Bible is the word if man not God. I find it filled with antiquities and bs.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
    • bipartisan770

      Also, stay the course! When you begin to seek Jesus Christ, the dark spiritual forces working in and over the world will try hard to place doubt in your heart, pull you away from the truth, and deceive you (to someone rooted in a secular understanding of life, this probably sounds illogical and insane. Please know that most things that sound illogical are actually the truth. Yes, it's like a great spiritual conspiracy). Don't give up and ask God for strength and He will lift you up and be a refuge for you as our God has always been a refuge for the oppressed and broken-hearted. Jesus Christ is waiting for you, that I promise. Peace, blessings, and unending love and compassion to you all through and Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. May our God and your personal creator work on your heart and allow you to see the truth and the mystery of the Universe.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:17 pm |
    • sam stone

      spiritually blind?

      condescending cvnt

      May 30, 2013 at 3:19 pm |
    • sam stone

      bipartisan: jeebus is up in heaven, waiting for you to take your rightful place on your knees in front of him. what are you doing here?

      May 30, 2013 at 3:21 pm |
    • sam stone

      "Please know that most things that sound illogical are actually the truth"

      Only if you dismiss logic

      May 30, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
    • Madtown

      Jesus Christ is waiting for you
      ---–
      "Who's Jesus?"

      – signed,
      your human brother, who God chose to place in an area of the world devoid of christianity

      May 30, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
    • sam stone

      "Jesus Christ is waiting for you, that I promise."

      Wow. a promise.....

      May 30, 2013 at 3:23 pm |
    • OMG

      Thank you, bipartisan.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:24 pm |
    • Happy Atheist

      If you were first an atheist and then became a Christian then you would be one of the few. The vast majority of atheists come from very religious backgrounds, often evangelical or Catholic that did as they were asked and studied the bible intently. After doing so they were left with many unanswered questions, which, after going to their superiors in the Church and being given insufficient help often saying things like "It's a mystery", left their religious backgrounds and courageously forged out into the stark landscape of reality to find it lush with meaning and overflowing with personal rewards. There is nothing more satisfying than to take full responsibility for ones actions, no longer blaming your failures on demonic influence or credit your success with divine intervention. The time to be happy is now. The place to be happy is here. The way to be happy is to make others so.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:24 pm |
    • bs

      You were not an atheist.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:24 pm |
    • Veronica

      You are clearly mentally unstable. Please get help.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:25 pm |
    • Veronica

      If Jesus is waiting for you, what are you waiting for?? Go! To to the light!!

      May 30, 2013 at 3:25 pm |
    • bipartisan770

      @ Joe: I used to think that too before I began to really understand what it was. The Bible, trust me, is completely God-inspired as the Spirit of God can and does speak and reveal the truth through people, as it did for those who wrote the Bible. I know that that must sound completely and utterly irrational to you, as it did for me at one point, but please trust me it is the truth. And the more you ask for understanding and read the Bible, you begin to understand in a way I never thought possible because it really is an external action working on you and revealing the coded language, if you will. It seems intimidating and daunting at first, but it becomes light and you begin to understand if you keep asking for understanding and stay the course. Just know that Jesus loves you and God sincerely wants every person to turn away from the workings of the world to him and walk in love. So many Christians are too busy persecuting and turning people away and it is distressing and heart-wrenching because they are not walking in gentleness and love. Know that God gave everything he had to bring us to his perfect kingdom and presence of love and joy. Just trust him and you will realize that the way of the world becomes silly and unnecessary once you establish a relationship with God. He is our source for purpose and love as we were created to love and be loved, and our God is the source of love. Follow his commandments, as they are a blueprint to keep us safe in this dark world, and trust him and have compassion and love for all and he will reveal himself to you and lift you up. It's a long process, but you will see a transformation one day, and you willingly give up trivial things for the unending peace and truth of God. Love, peace, blessing to you friend through Jesus Christ 🙂

      May 30, 2013 at 3:26 pm |
    • Veronica

      Happy Atheist: "The time to be happy is now. The place to be happy is here. The way to be happy is to make others so." YES YES YES! Exactly!!

      May 30, 2013 at 3:27 pm |
    • Chad

      WELL SAID bipartisan770!!

      May 30, 2013 at 3:29 pm |
    • meifumado

      You know its a bunch of crap when they start out with "I used to be an atheist".

      Nobody believes you were an atheist.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:30 pm |
    • bipartisan770

      Yes, I WAS an atheist and I know what it feels like to think how irrational and weak-minded the religious are and perhaps even uneducated and I know what it feels like to feel alone and empty and that no one understands. My journey to God was one of great complexity and one of my own failure and God finding me. Yes, atheist conversion is very rare, and my experience was rare as well, but I am here to tell you that there is a God and I would not lie. Also, it's not a religion, it's a REALITY. We are spiritually sick and blind people living in a world run by evil. Jesus Christ is the only way back to God and you will find the blinders taken off and you will begin to see the world for what it truly is. I know how insane this sounds, and I wish I could somehow shake the truth into you, but I cannot. Please, just keep an open mind. Trust me, I know how hard it is to believe this and I would be commenting on this post now about how crazy I was if I didn't have my experience and in fact, I used to do just that on other sites.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:31 pm |
    • Topher

      bipartisan770

      I also grew up an atheist ... an angry, raging atheist. After repenting and trusting in Christ (the Biblical standard to be saved), I was "born again" and God changed me. Keep it up, dude!

      May 30, 2013 at 3:32 pm |
    • Happy Atheist

      " I know what it feels like to feel alone and empty and that no one understands."

      Well, I can't say I know what it's like to be an atheist first before being indoctrinated in religion, so maybe you are referring to an experience that the majority of atheists never have, but after becoming an atheist I have never felt "alone and empty and that no one understands". So not exactly sure what you are talking about, but it does make me think that maybe you were not raised as an atheist and are just another Poe.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:36 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Bipartisan770

      Just remember that for everyone one of you "used to be atheists" out there, there are 10 reformed christians who realized the ridiculousness of their belief system and pulled the rip cord.

      I would reccommend you think about what made you an "atheist" in the first place and then elaborate for us here why those reasons were refuted.

      For instance there are many people on this board who begin by saying, "I used to be an atheist" which is their code for "I still believed in jesus but I wanted to rebel against my community" – please see Topher's post as an example. So please tell us all how you used to be an atheist and what changed your mind.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Why do I need to believe in the supernatural or undergo ritualistic drowning to live in love, kindness, meekness, honesty, charity, humbleness, empathy, compassion?

      May 30, 2013 at 3:38 pm |
    • sam stone

      bipartisan: why should anyone trust you that your iron age comic book is god inspired?

      May 30, 2013 at 3:42 pm |
    • Topher

      Chuckles

      "For instance there are many people on this board who begin by saying, "I used to be an atheist" which is their code for "I still believed in jesus but I wanted to rebel against my community" – please see Topher's post as an example"

      Whoa. I did NOT believe in Jesus growing up. At one point I started claiming to be a Christian, but that wasn't true. I was not born again until almost 30. Before that I was an atheist and then a false convert.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:43 pm |
    • sam stone

      "I also grew up an atheist ... an angry, raging atheist"

      And now you are a snivelling coward christian.....de-evolution at work

      May 30, 2013 at 3:44 pm |
    • Happy Atheist

      One thing to keep in mind is there is no bible for atheists so anyone who claims they "grew up atheist" may have gotten an explanation of atheism from their parents but cannot say they "studied atheism" as most atheists who came out of religion did "study religion" or "studied the bible". This means that a person who was "raised atheist" will likely have had a very different upbringing than any other person "raised atheist", whereas those "raised Christian" often share many similarities.

      I'm not saying you & Topher are liars, but I don't think you represent any number of atheists or Christians for that matter. You speak from a position of knowledge when it has been shown time and time again that you lack even the basic understandings of science and the bible.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:45 pm |
    • Athy

      i wanted to be born again, too. But my mother said no way.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:46 pm |
    • sam stone

      gopher did not become a christian until he was 30, when he suffered a brain injury was convinced that man deserves hell. gopher has acknowledged that punishing one person for the "sins" of another is unjust (despite his blathering that god is the ultimate justice), but since he benefits, he does not mind. this indicates that gopher is not moral at all, just a opportunistic toady

      May 30, 2013 at 3:52 pm |
    • Topher

      Athy

      Luckily this is one thing we don't need out mothers for.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:52 pm |
    • bipartisan770

      I am overwhelmed by the reception my comment has received, but my hope and prayer is that it will open people up to the truth and while I cannot comment individually to every single person, my hope is that there are people out there who will be able to continue to sustain the truth in this debate and guide people in the right direction. Unfortunately, I have to go, but I will leave you with this:

      "..the god of this world (the devil) has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God" (2 Corinthians 4:4).

      Seek Jesus Christ and find an unfailing peace that the world cannot provide. God bless you all abundantly and may you wake up to the deception and truth permeating this planet and no longer be spiritually blind. Love one another and be gentle and kind to all 🙂 Have a great afternoon (well, here it's afternoon) everyone!

      May 30, 2013 at 3:55 pm |
    • sam stone

      gopher claims to have evidence to support the god of the bible, but never produces it

      gopher, when defeated in an argument, turns and runs like a scared little weasel, or blathers some "we will have to agree to disagree" nonsense

      May 30, 2013 at 3:55 pm |
    • sam stone

      gopher purports to be interested in discussion, but it is apparent that he just wants to preach

      gopher purports to know the thoughts of god, as expressed by iron age sheep molesters

      May 30, 2013 at 3:57 pm |
    • meifumado

      I mean, I used to be a Satanist but when he did not make a deal for my eternal soul I got upset, Then none of my demon summonings worked when I finally learned the rituals, The same goes for all the curses I put on others , none of them worked at all.

      That's when realized it's all a lie.

      May 30, 2013 at 4:00 pm |
    • sam stone

      "my hope is that there are people out there who will be able to continue to sustain the truth in this debate"

      debate?

      do you seriously consider your spiritual pablum to be debate?

      May 30, 2013 at 4:01 pm |
    • AverageJoe76

      A true atheist would need a "Paul-on-the-road-to-Damascus" moment to be converted into a believer. So I doubt you were ever a real atheist. Agnostic, maybe. Atheist – nah.

      May 30, 2013 at 4:09 pm |
    • Topher

      Have a great day everyone. God bless.

      May 30, 2013 at 4:16 pm |
    • Ernest T Bass

      "God bless you all and know Jesus Christ is waiting for you"

      The men in the white coats are waiting for you...

      May 30, 2013 at 4:17 pm |
  5. joe

    This article talks only about Christianuty and assumes everyone is Christian LOL pathetic

    May 30, 2013 at 3:04 pm |
    • Salamihawk

      Not quite as pathetic as your English, but thanks for trying.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:10 pm |
    • Saraswati

      This article never once mentions the word Christianity nor assumes Christianity. It does use the word church near the end which is the word Gallup used in its summary and that is a poor simplification on gallup's part. However, the vast majority of people in the US regularly attending religious rites are Christians (or Unitarians) attending "churches".

      May 30, 2013 at 3:44 pm |
  6. Science

    BUZZ OFF fake science poster below.and chadie/faith/Austin/toothless and L$H saw you somewhere today........the cats !

    all creationists !

    Changing Gut Bacteria Through Diet Affects Brain Function

    May 28, 2013 — UCLA researchers now have the first evidence that bacteria ingested in food can affect brain function in humans. In an early proof-of-concept study of healthy women, they found that women who regularly consumed beneficial bacteria known as probiotics through yogurt showed altered brain function, both while in a resting state and in response to an emotion-recognition task.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130528180900.htm

    May 30, 2013 at 3:04 pm |
    • lol??

      Yup, explain those XX's.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:10 pm |
  7. faith

    BOYCOTT THE ADVERTISERS THAT WASTE MONEY ON THIS DEGENERATE, SICK, HATE-FILLED PERVERSE MOUTHPIECE 4 NAZI GOD HATING FASCISTS

    2DAY, 2MORROW, 4EVER

    STARTING NOW

    CNN must pay a price for encouraging these de mo nic pi gs from instruc ting believers to finish blowing jesus christ, since he must have been pleasured by now.

    cnn must learn a lesson here

    May 30, 2013 at 3:01 pm |
    • Salamihawk

      The lesson you need to learn is English. If you want anybody to understand what it is you have to say, learn to express yourself using letter combinations that are recognized as words.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:07 pm |
    • NESTLE FOUNDATION OF OVALT INE

      But wait, I thought you said starting a few minutes ago.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:15 pm |
  8. faith

    ALSO BOYCOTT KFC FOR CLONING BONELESS CHICKENS

    just saw two more ads. it is illegal they need to be prosicuted.

    May 30, 2013 at 2:59 pm |
    • editor

      You are completely nuts. It's prosecuted, not prosicuted.

      Wait, maybe we're on to something here – boneless chicken stuffed with prosciutto. Time for lunch...

      May 30, 2013 at 3:04 pm |
    • Salamihawk

      English. Learn it.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:08 pm |
    • Topher

      I ate the bones. I ATE THE BONES!

      May 30, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
    • sam stone

      i suspect you ate lots of bones, gopher

      May 30, 2013 at 3:24 pm |
    • meifumado

      Why is it illegal?

      Cloning is a science that needs to be developed.
      Do you think for one second that North Korea China or Russia is not developing this tech?
      We cannot afford to fall behind.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:25 pm |
    • Topher

      meifumado

      And while we're at it, why can't we genetically alter grass so it never grows higher than 2-3 inches?

      May 30, 2013 at 3:34 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      "And while we're at it, why can't we genetically alter grass so it never grows higher than 2-3 inches?"

      For once Topher you have a good idea!

      May 30, 2013 at 3:39 pm |
    • JMEF

      Topher. Probably because of the lawn mower lobby 🙂 As an example people have bred dogs over the centuries to fit in teacups to Great Danes, it takes the will to do it.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:42 pm |
    • Topher

      JMEF

      I'd like to donate my lawn to science. Experiment away!

      May 30, 2013 at 3:50 pm |
  9. Science

    BUZZ OFF fake science and HS.........chadie too...........includes Austin the cats are coming.

    Changing Gut Bacteria Through Diet Affects Brain Function

    May 28, 2013 — UCLA researchers now have the first evidence that bacteria ingested in food can affect brain function in humans. In an early proof-of-concept study of healthy women, they found that women who regularly consumed beneficial bacteria known as probiotics through yogurt showed altered brain function, both while in a resting state and in response to an emotion-recognition task.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130528180900.htm

    May 30, 2013 at 2:59 pm |
  10. Pure-Religion

    2 Timothy 4: 6 – 8

    2 Timothy 4: 17 – 18

    Hebrews 11: 1 – 3

    Hebrews 11: 21 – 25

    Hebrews 12: 26 – 29

    May 30, 2013 at 2:57 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      Exodus 21:20-21

      How often do you beat your slaves?

      May 30, 2013 at 2:59 pm |
    • Pure-Religion

      Galatians 3: 26 – 6

      May 30, 2013 at 3:21 pm |
    • Pure-Religion

      Galatians 3: 26 through Galatians 4: 6

      May 30, 2013 at 3:23 pm |
  11. joe

    This is a direct result of the fire and brimstone preachers who preach hatred.

    May 30, 2013 at 2:52 pm |
  12. Pure-Religion

    2 Timothy 4: 1 – 5

    2 Timothy 3: 1 – 17, specifically verses 16 & 17

    May 30, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      Exodus 21:20-21

      How do you beat your slaves?

      May 30, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
    • Mike

      You can tell that ReligionIsBS is anti-slavery

      May 30, 2013 at 2:52 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      Yes, I am. And thats why I know the bible is garbage.

      May 30, 2013 at 2:56 pm |
    • Pure-Bullsh!t

      Big pile of steaming crap.

      May 30, 2013 at 4:25 pm |
  13. Big Shiz

    Nothing wrong with no being religious but most atheists are dirt bags.

    May 30, 2013 at 2:42 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF BULLSH.IT

      LIKE YOU KNOW ANY

      May 30, 2013 at 2:45 pm |
    • Well, as long as we're making stupid generalizations...

      ...most Christians don't believe in evolution, and yet to act like animals.

      May 30, 2013 at 2:47 pm |
    • meifumado

      Odd you don't see the atheists here calling you a dirtbag.
      What happened to turning the other cheek?
      It amazes me how unchristian christians are.

      May 30, 2013 at 2:47 pm |
    • NESTLE FOUNDATION OF OVALT INE

      Big shiz of tiny poker always naming bags of dirt.

      May 30, 2013 at 2:50 pm |
    • Happy Atheist

      Just by our verbal stance of believing there is no God or Gods is, to a Christian or religious zealot, a slap in the face. It says "I think you are dumb for believing in invisible fairys". At least, that is how they take it. The fact is that it means nothing more than "I don't believe in any god, God or God's." That's it. Offense is not intended, at least in most cases. I will freely admit there are pain in the ass atheists just like there are pain in the ass Christians.

      May 30, 2013 at 2:54 pm |
    • Seyedibar

      Everyone on earth including you is an atheist. There are 3700 recorded gods from over 2000 religions, and chances are you don't believe in all of them.

      May 30, 2013 at 2:58 pm |
  14. Nicole

    "An it harm none, do what thou wilt"

    Rede 1:26

    May 30, 2013 at 2:42 pm |
  15. Ed - Spring, TX

    I guess that's a bad thing for a bunch of goofball priests, ministers, and reverends. They preach to you about how to live while they're boffing some congregation member's wife.

    May 30, 2013 at 2:40 pm |
    • meifumado

      Or someones child.

      May 30, 2013 at 2:44 pm |
    • lol??

      The women preachers aren't much on discipline.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:07 pm |
  16. Drew

    Even people who have no Faith in God, have an unbelievable faith in what modern science is telling them. Just believe everything a scientist tells you. It's so much easier than studying, researching, and drawing your own conclusion. Lazy. Blows my mind how atheism is becoming a "trend."

    May 30, 2013 at 2:40 pm |
    • B

      It's not 'belief' when actual evidence is shown. But I guess it's more fun to be a sourpuss and make things up. Go pout in the corner.

      May 30, 2013 at 2:42 pm |
    • meifumado

      It's funny but science puts out this thing called facts and evidence which can be checked by anyone to verify the claim.

      Can your religion do this?

      May 30, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Not faith, reasonable expectations. Atheism only defines a disbelief in god, kind of like theism defines a belief in god. If you have such an issue with science pray instead of getting medical attention and let us know how that works out for you.

      May 30, 2013 at 2:46 pm |
    • Communism...ItsAParty

      Atheism may be a growing trend, and who knows, it might even wane in the future, but stupidity will never go out of style

      May 30, 2013 at 2:47 pm |
    • Drew

      Name the "facts." Change my mind. Go back in time, and bring back this "proof." Your uneducated guess in no greater than my Faith.

      May 30, 2013 at 2:47 pm |
    • sam stone

      Lots of conjecture there, Drew

      May 30, 2013 at 2:54 pm |
    • sam stone

      I suspect anything beyond 3rd grade blows your mind, Drew

      May 30, 2013 at 2:55 pm |
    • sam stone

      Scientific views change when new information is discovered that challenge old views. Religion does none of the sort. "Iron Age sheep molesters said this, so it must be the word of god"

      May 30, 2013 at 2:57 pm |
    • sam stone

      Also, pen-day-ho, faith is not capitalized

      May 30, 2013 at 2:58 pm |
    • Happy Atheist

      "Just believe everything a scientist tells you."

      That would be how it would work if science was a religion. One guy has a vision or say's God told him something and everyone just believes and follows along. In science however, a scientists completes many experiments and draws a conclusion based on their observations of those expiriments. Then they publish those conclusions for the scientific community at large to review and after the testing method and observations and conclusions have been repeated and verified, we have a new scientific theory. Notice how no one just "believes anything a scientist tells them"?

      May 30, 2013 at 2:59 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      "Go back in time, and bring back this "proof.""

      You moron! You have one book that makes you believe in your imaginary friend, science on the other hand provides numerous books.
      Sadly we can't change stupid and if you're too inept to use the tools at hand to look up information for yourself and do the comparisons, there is no help for you in this world...remain stuck in the dark ages while the rest of us work to make this world a better place for you lazy asses.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:03 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      "Just believe everything a scientist tells you"

      AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

      LEts see, scientists try to disprove each other every single day. Its called peer review. Nobody takes it on faith. You just mocked your entire stance on beleif without even knowing it. LOL. Religitard post of the day!

      May 30, 2013 at 3:04 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Happy Atheist, you unbelievers hide behind science. Proven science and Jesus truth are in harmony. Always were, always will be. The issue always was and will be, Only Jesus can save your soul.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:09 pm |
    • Drew

      All I'm saying is one belief is no more proven than the other. Saying hateful thing to someone because of their beliefs must make you feel better about your own. It's this kind of hate that causes a rift in the first place.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:13 pm |
    • ,coma,

      HS I have a cobbler that replaces my soles on a regular basis as I am to cheap to buy a new pair unless absolutely necessary. Jesus may love me but I try to steer clear of guys that hung around 12 guys for the whole of their life.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:15 pm |
  17. Pure-Religion

    1 Timothy 4:1 – 4

    1 Timothy 6: 1 – 21

    2 Timothy 1: 8 – 12

    May 30, 2013 at 2:38 pm |
    • To the word

      👏

      May 30, 2013 at 2:40 pm |
    • meifumado

      Post some more made up things ,it will really change something...........

      May 30, 2013 at 2:41 pm |
    • fintastic

      In response to your post..

      "Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe."

      F. Zappa

      May 30, 2013 at 3:12 pm |
  18. mykel armory

    Akira, Satan will take your soul. Your god is dead meat.

    May 30, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF BULLSH.IT

      TROLL HARDER IDIOT

      May 30, 2013 at 2:35 pm |
    • Akira

      Nonsense.

      May 30, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
    • meifumado

      The dark silouette of the creature poised, crouched on the corner of a cliffs edge waits eagerly, eyes glare patiently.
      Red eyes filled with fire and torment gleam in the frenzied brightness across the shadowed valleys below.
      A crack of thunder breaks the deafening silence which once ruled the planes, the creature is unmoved by the commotion and the noise, and the blinding fork of lightening which strikes only a few yards from where lays it wait for something...
      Satan laughs, wings spread to magnificent fullness, the creature stands at full glory, inhaling deeply the ice cold air each tender muscle rippling in the almighty stench of the great dimentional diety...
      Lucifer smiles, from the far far west a chariot of fire emerges travelling at a tremendous speed toward the creature, the creature laughs as if in an immense state of frenzy the creature leaps up off the ridge and hollers with dignity in the now cloudless sky,its long red hair blowing freely in the wind...
      The chariot emerges and with a sharp swift movement the creature takes the reigns and flies up into the night, howling out immortal cries, a prediction of war,

      May 30, 2013 at 2:57 pm |
    • meifumado

      The warriors gather slowly around
      The sacred city, Hell
      Satan screams a vengance
      On the land as the angels fell
      Tyrants pray disaster for the
      Land of love and trust
      Demons plot a way to turn
      The Heavens into dust.

      The standard bearers chosen
      From the mass of Satan's dogs
      To hold the flag of Hades high
      Defying all the gods
      Satan laughs the words of war
      The Heavens shake with fear
      Armageddon sings his song
      The battle's ever near.

      Let the joyous celebrations of Hell begin

      Lyrics from eLyrics.net

      May 30, 2013 at 3:01 pm |
    • meifumado

      That one is from Venom, some good Satanic metal if you in to that.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:03 pm |
  19. brian

    its the obamas fauld americas probems everything pass in americas only fauld of the stupid precident obama we want not to obama get out way of the america the inmmigrant are problems in our country too no way nothing pass in usa more bad we are is wrong the worst is comin people between us get out obama of the government and god bless you america and all american soulds for the fallen in wars and for us god bluss you our country

    May 30, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
    • B

      Recess is over now, back to class. Remember to line up single file and listen for the bell.

      May 30, 2013 at 2:36 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Let's sing the dyslexia song!
      Long-a-sing, long-a-sing, body every long-a-sing
      Time more one!
      Long-a-sing, long-a-sing, body every long-a-sing

      May 30, 2013 at 2:36 pm |
    • Ryan

      huh?

      May 30, 2013 at 2:37 pm |
    • The Jack-Dawed Yokel

      You MORAN, learn how to spel

      May 30, 2013 at 2:46 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Does anyone have the moron-decoder-ring on hand? It is needed for brian's post!

      May 30, 2013 at 2:47 pm |
    • Dippy

      Brian can't spell anything, but he is really good at punctuation.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:33 pm |
  20. JonfromLI

    Here's the thing about religion. It should be everyone's prerogative in their association with faith – or lack thereof. I'm Jewish, and I don't go preaching about that my religion is better than yours simply because it's older. I'm not trying to shove my religion down your throat; and I'd expect you to do the same. The biblical story of Adam and Eve is retold by the three great monotheistic religions of Judaism, Catholicism, and Islam; and yet I believe in evolution and that the formation of the Earth happened close to 4.5 billion years ago.

    May 30, 2013 at 2:31 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      JonfromLI, if you loved your fellow man you'd tell them God's truth. Here's a great site to help you add a little salt to your life.

      http://www.biblestudysite.com/begin.htm

      May 30, 2013 at 2:51 pm |
    • Logan

      Sorry but it is hard for me to understand your statement of believing in both the biblical account of life coming into existence (Creation) and evolution. The bible states we were made from God and Evolution teaches that we were not. The two completely contradict each other, not complement each other.

      May 30, 2013 at 2:58 pm |
    • Madtown

      if you loved your fellow man you'd tell them God's truth
      -----
      This is true. However, you first need to be certain that what you have is truly from God, and not a creation of man credited to God. As of today, we do not have this.

      May 30, 2013 at 2:59 pm |
    • sam stone

      Jon...it seems that Judaism does not tell their adherents to go out and evangelize, like Christianity does

      May 30, 2013 at 3:00 pm |
    • Seyedibar

      Then why believe at all if you've already admitted it false?

      May 30, 2013 at 3:00 pm |
    • sam stone

      logan: creation and evolution are not inconsistent

      May 30, 2013 at 3:01 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Sam Stone, Isaiah 61:1-2 is what you haven't read.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:12 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Logan
      Young Earth Creationism is incompatible with evolution, but not necessarily the belief in a creator.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:13 pm |
    • ME II

      @Logan,
      " The two completely contradict each other, not complement each other."

      Only if Genesis is taken literally.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:17 pm |
    • sam stone

      Heaven Stench....what has that got to do with the discussion?

      May 30, 2013 at 3:27 pm |
    • Logan

      @ sam stone
      I said they contradict one another not that they were inconsistent

      @ ME II
      Christians who try and justify evolution while having faith that the bible speaks the true Word of God only succeed in disharmonizing their faith and others as well. Therefore the only way to see view the Genesis account is by viewing it literally, thus causing the contradiction with evolution.

      @ Doc Vestibule
      I have no idea what your point was to my previous statement

      May 30, 2013 at 3:40 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Logan
      Young Earth Creationism says that we were created in our present form by God around 6,000 years ago.
      That obvisouly is in conflict with Darwinian evolution.

      The belief that there is a creator god that sparked abiogenesis and then let evolution run its course is not in conflict with Darwin's 5 laws.
      Dig?

      May 30, 2013 at 3:46 pm |
    • ME II

      @Logan,
      "Therefore the only way to see view the Genesis account is by viewing it literally, thus causing the contradiction with evolution."

      But if taken literally, Genesis is wrong. The evidence contradicts it, not just evolution, but cosmology, geology, plate tectonics, physics, etc.

      May 30, 2013 at 3:58 pm |
    • Logan

      @ Doc Vestibule

      The law of biogenesis is the observation that living things come only from other living things and that life does not arise from non-living material. Therefore the account from Genesis where God breathed life into dirt “a non-living material” is in direct violation of the law of biogenesis. So you either believe in what the bible says or believe what evolution teaches.

      @ME II

      I am going to have to disagree with you on that point. There are perfectly good points to both sides justifying their beliefs. For example, regarding plate tectonics, we all know that continents shift causing earthquakes, volcanoes and mountains. However, the belief that there was once a Pangaea is completely absurd. The earth’s continents are connected to each other today. If you were to remove the oceans vast amount of water you could literally walk from the east coast to the west coast of England, thus disproving the notion that the continents are floating on plates crashing into one another.

      May 30, 2013 at 6:09 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Logan
      Terminology check: ABIOGENESIS
      The spontaneous origination of living organisms directly from lifeless matter.
      That little 'a' makes all the difference.

      You're drawing a line that doesn't exist for all Christian sects. The Catholic church, for example, does not take the Genesis account as literal truth and has come to terms with the truth of evolutionary theory. For them, God is the instrument through which life was imbued into inorganic matter.
      Baptists and other bibilical literalist sects haven't a leg to stand on, however.

      An interesting tidbit – if you ask an evolutionary biologist if religion and evolution are in conflict, the overwhelming majority of them will say no. This is because they see religion as part of sociological evolution, even if they personally are atheists.
      (source: Dr. Greg Graffin – "Monism, atheism, and the naturalist worldview: Perspectives from evolutionary biology")

      May 31, 2013 at 8:11 am |
    • Logan

      @ Doc Vestibule

      I sincerely thank you for the correction. I thought you forgot to place a space between the A and biogenesis.
      However, I have a problem when any member of the Church tries to put grey area into the bible where there never was any, such as an interpretation for the evolutionary theory.

      My point: If you secede to the notion that the bible cannot be taken into literal account you cast doubt into those who believe the bible is the Word of God. Your talking points on this matter influence those who believe the bible is the Word of God, for which the bible claims it is. If you believe the bible to be the Word of God, written for men, then you must have faith that God would have stated we came from some primordial ooze and not from the dust of the earth that was described in Genesis. I also disagree with your statement that “Baptists and other biblical literalist sects haven't a leg to stand on”, they do. It’s called Faith. Faith that God told us the truth and that God meant for us to understand his Word.

      May 31, 2013 at 2:56 pm |
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