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May 29th, 2013
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Poll: America losing its religion

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) – More than three in four of Americans say religion is losing its influence in the United States, according to a new survey, the highest such percentage in more than 40 years. A nearly identical percentage says that trend bodes ill for the country.

"It may be happening, but Americans don't like it," Frank Newport, Gallup's editor in chief, said of religion's waning influence. "It is clear that a lot of Americans don't think this is a good state of affairs."

According to the Gallup survey released Wednesday, 77% of Americans say religion is losing its influence. Since 1957, when the question was first asked, Americans' perception of religion's power has never been lower.

According to the poll, 75% of Americans said the country would be better off if it were more religious.

The poll doesn't reflect Americans' personal religiosity, such as church attendance, but rather how large events and trends shape shared views, Newport explained.

For example, the sexual revolution, the Vietnam War and the rise of the counterculture fed the perception that religion was on the wane during the late 1960s, he said.

Views of a secularizing America peaked in 1969 and 1970, when 75% of Americans said faith was losing its clout in society. A similar view dominated from 1991-94 and from 2007 to the present.

Americans saw religion increasing its influence in 1957, in 1962 and at a few points during the Reagan presidency in 1980. This number also spiked to its highest point ever - 71% - after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

The pollster didn't speculate on the contemporary factors that led to the current views on faith's influence.

Still, the poll numbers are dramatically influenced by church attendance, according to Gallup. More than 90% of people who attend church weekly responded that a more religious America would be positive, compared with 58% of Americans who attended church "less often."

The Gallup poll was conducted via telephone from May 2 to May 7. A total of 1,535 people were sampled for the poll, which has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Atheism • Belief • United States

soundoff (6,389 Responses)
  1. mykel armory

    The Satanic Age has begun! Death to god!

    May 31, 2013 at 4:49 am |
    • In all fairness

      I am angry too. If only there was a god or a devil to blame. But alas there's not but ourselves, nature and countless viruses. We are in our own mess, miserable and alone and religion can not help us.

      May 31, 2013 at 10:28 am |
  2. Post a comment

    That picture is wrong CNN. The article is about 75% of the population wanting MORE belief in God, and already BILLIONS of people believe Jesus died for our sins. The ones in the picture believe 'nothing god' and they're rightly concerned, confused, and upset at what they got for believing nothing. Let's compare:

    What's been done:

    God: created everything, more power than can be imagined, said what he did, billions believe him

    Nothing: hasn't done anything, ever, most don't realize nothing can't do anything

    Personality:

    God: fair, just, lively, sensible, witty, creative, patient, loving, and intelligence all beyond all comprehension

    Nothing: boring as last week's roadkill, never does anything, the real zero

    Saving attributes:

    God: sent Jesus to die for those that would believe him and repent of their sins

    nothing: couldn't save dust from the wind

    Planning:

    God: has a plan, told others about his plans over thousands of years, still working the plan

    nothing: no clue, not even a blank stare

    Abilities:

    God: unlimited

    nothing: " "

    May 31, 2013 at 4:36 am |
    • mykel armory

      You are so misguided and dim that you give a non-existent god credit for the works of a very real Satan. You will look funny in Hell.

      May 31, 2013 at 4:43 am |
    • The real Tom

      If you can force yourself to believe in some giant fairy snapping its fingers and "poofing" the universe into existence, bully for you. It doesn't make you a better person, more moral, more ethical, smarter, or happier than anyone else.

      May 31, 2013 at 5:52 am |
    • Joe

      Are you a potato?

      May 31, 2013 at 7:01 am |
    • slrman

      Basically, you are a deluded hypocrite. I have never known a christian that was not a liar, a fool, or a hypocrite. Often, all three at the same time.

      Prove your god. I have been asking that question since I was 13 and have never received a rational answer. It's usually, "You must have faith!" Faith and beliefs mean the same thing. They are to accept as true something for which there is no supporting evidence and even much evidence against it. How intelligent is that?

      May 31, 2013 at 7:59 am |
    • nclaw441

      Sirman, can you prove that YOU exist?

      May 31, 2013 at 8:42 am |
  3. R.M. Goodswell

    The fact that there are pedophile clergy (and always have been) ...should...SHOULD tell people all they need to know about how real their god is....If the peddlers of this garbage are unafraid of otherworldly consequences ....

    And then theres the Benny Hinns and Mike 'thousand dollar seed' Murdocks, the Franklin 'political parasite' Grahams, the Haggard clan, Jimmy Swaggart.....on and on...

    and how many denominations are there of just Christianity? How many Bibles? unalterable word of god my ass.....

    and that's just that brand of God....add in the Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, hundreds of tribal spirits, totems, .....

    Catch a freakin clue America......

    May 31, 2013 at 3:36 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      I guess after Penn State and other sports scandals , we should say that all coaches are pedophiles.

      Even groups going after the church place the count in the low percentages. Some reports are as low as 4% and some are as high as 20%.

      Guess what. When searching for percentage of males that are pedophiles:

      According to some studies, about 1% of all adult males may be pedophiles.Another study estimated the percentage of pedophiles to be between twelve and twenty percent Source: Dangerous se'x offenders. A task force report of the American Psychiatric Association – Washington, DC: American Psychiatric A'ssociation

      So, we sadly Priesthood, which is all males for Catholics, falls somewhere in the national average.

      May 31, 2013 at 3:52 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      ...said the black klukker.

      You argue from the general to the specific. Pedos are drawn to unfettered access to children. If you were to examine all coaches, for example, you would find a much much higher percentage because coaching positions are pedo-magnets.
      But then a black klukker isn't going to be too bright anyways. Or someone pretending to be one. Whatever you are, scumbucket, it is sure to be disgusting and psychotic because that part of you shines through so well...

      May 31, 2013 at 4:13 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Pedos are drawn to unfettered access to children. If you were to examine all coaches, for example, you would find a much much higher percentage because coaching positions are pedo-magnets.

      Yo' Bro... sigh, talking ghetto is giving me a headache Jimmy, that is my point. Are you even reading? If you say that the priesthood is full of pedos then the statistics not only disprove it, statics even show that the percentage of Priest caught or suspected is within the national averages. The same could be said for coaches as well.

      Wow, my brother Jimmy can't read or comprehend. 🙂

      May 31, 2013 at 4:43 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      No, klukker, I am fine, thanks. You are relying on those statistics that deal with convictions only. Not the same thing.
      Try to keep up! 😀

      May 31, 2013 at 4:55 am |
  4. mykel armory

    Also, these pathetic hobbyist atheists are usually as weak as the pathetic christians they despise. Their evangelicism is geared towards the oppressive church of science, pathetic old tropes such as respect for all. I only respect those who earn it. No one's creed, color or gender gives them a ticket to the smorgasboard of respect in my life.

    May 31, 2013 at 3:12 am |
  5. mykel armory

    I don't care whether any religion tries to tell us what to do, or not. My problem is not their actions, but their very existence. They are inferior. Maggots. Crawling in the dust, knowing their time has passed. The religious must be lobotomized and eradicated. Spirituality is a mental disease in need of an abortionist's cure.

    May 31, 2013 at 3:06 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Wow, the Hitler route.

      I will say it a thousand times. It is funny how those who hold intolerance, be they Atheist or Faithful, all start to sound the same sooner or later.

      If you can not change your enemies it is best to kill them. Bin Laden would be proud of you my Atheist friend.

      May 31, 2013 at 3:43 am |
    • mykel armory

      Mark, you presumptuous fool. I am not an atheist at all. Far from it. And if you wish you wish to compare me to Hitler, that is your choice, however wrong you are. Hitler persecuted certain people, belonging to specific religions. I favor the eradication of religion itself. The very idea of it. Burn every scripture, eradicate no one based on race, but rather on whether or not they will renounce thier folly. If not? Well, lions always need fresh meat.

      May 31, 2013 at 3:53 am |
    • mykel armory

      Bin Laden was another fool, killing indiscriminately, outside of law. I, myself, would never break a law, as religion will eventually eradicate itself. There's no work necessary. This is Satan's world. There is no other.

      May 31, 2013 at 4:02 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      I am not an atheist at all. Far from it.

      Uggh... an Agnostic then? The great Bi-se'xuals of the Faith and non Faith world 🙂

      Well, good luck getting folks to the Lions. Good luck even getting them to a Detroit Lions game.

      May 31, 2013 at 4:02 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      ...said the black klukker.

      Your extremist and hateful views are not to be questioned, but everyone else is Hitler because they want to change things.
      Got it.

      May 31, 2013 at 4:08 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      It depends on how you wish to bring about such change Jimmy. How many racist have said that the answer to the African American problem is to kill all African Americans. Now we have Mykel saying the exact same thing.

      Wake up bro...please wake up.

      May 31, 2013 at 4:12 am |
    • mykel armory

      You simpering waste! I am not an agnostic. That's not far from atheist. Fool! I am a Satanist, the one true philosophy and we have already won this battle. Your people, they have no faith, only in themselves. That is the point of gallup's pathetic little poll. If 75% of americans feel their nation has turned on their god, then they have such little faith in each other, and little faith in their god's ability to rule their countrymen. They only have faith in Satan. They admit god is dead.

      May 31, 2013 at 4:14 am |
    • mykel armory

      Mark, I have never said word one about black people. The Satanic among them will thrive in the end, just a they will among all ethnicities and genders. It's the rest whose faith will perish when they are gone. The bibles will burn! The churches will be brothels and bars. We will live under our creator, Satan. And don't you dare crack wise about the Detroit Lions, you treacherous simp.

      May 31, 2013 at 4:20 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      How funny to see a black klukker supposedly concerned for "African-Americans" but no one else, who fully supports the Southern Strategy at the same time as a card-carrying Republican.
      It would not surprise me if you were a Muslim, Mark.
      Hey, I'm just going by what you say about yourself and not bothering to really care if you are just wearing a mask or not.
      You have your persona that you like to use, but your actions are clear enough to me.
      We all know you love to take anything and instantly turn it into Nazis marching down the street.
      See a psychiatrist, Mark. You may have some physical problem causing you to act this way.

      May 31, 2013 at 4:23 am |
    • mykel armory

      Mark, your religion. It is committing suicide! Haha! Hahahahaha! Watch it wither off the vine and crumble to dust! Scriptures no longer preserved! Remaining believers ground up by the Satanic world rulers and fed to the dogs. Haha! Victorious Satanicus!

      May 31, 2013 at 4:23 am |
    • ChrisA

      "You simpering waste! I am not an agnostic. That's not far from atheist. Fool! I am a Satanist, the one true philosophy and we have already won this battle."

      haha I almost spit my drink out. That was comical. No really I'm still laughing... hold on... XD... wait a second... XD ROFL

      Okay I'm done ... sorry. It's obvious that you can't be reasoned with, and you clearly have a flare for the dramatic. I'll just say this, even Satan believes in God, even Satan believes in scripture, and he trembles at it.

      May 31, 2013 at 4:31 am |
    • The real Tom

      It's FLAIR, Chris. Not "flare."

      May 31, 2013 at 5:37 am |
    • I wonder

      ChrisA,
      " even Satan believes in God, even Satan believes in scripture, and he trembles at it."

      And your verified evidence for this is...?

      May 31, 2013 at 11:32 am |
  6. Bruce Almighty

    My dream headlines.

    LAST CHURCH IN THE USA CLOSES ITS DOORS.

    Reuters AAP – The last place of worship the USA officially closed its doors yesterday. The Church of Christ Baptist Church in Tuscaloosa, Alabama held its last service at 10:00 on Sunday morning and was promptly shuttered by its pastor. “While I will be sorry to see a tradition pas.s, I guess it was time to move on,” declared Pastor Kevin Smith, “It saddens me a little, but I can no longer preach things I no longer believe in myself. Also, given that my congregation is elderly and poor, donations are down to a spasmodic trickle.”

    The closure marks the culmination of a dramatic surge in secularism in the USA following the Catholic Church scandals of the early 21st Century. After phone hacking by Rupert Murdoch’s Fox Network revealed that the Pope and virtually all Archbishops were acutely aware of the depth of the pedophilia problem since the 1950s, sweeping new policies were implemented under President Gibbs’ administration (2040-2048).

    Under his “No Mind Left Behind” policy, children were taught science, history, psychology and critical thinking from their first year of school. It was not until they were in their early teens and had a grounding in healthy skepticism and independent thought, that any supernatural belief, such as astrology or religion was allowed to be presented to them. Such beliefs were, of course, almost universally rejected by them.

    As interest in the supernatural has dwindled, the vacated churches, synagogues and mosques in the USA were sold off and the proceeds invested in a fund which, under the XXV Amendment to the US Const.itution, could only be used to further scientific education and environmental awareness and protection. Already the fund has been responsible for returning vast swaths of land to their natural state, in the USA and elsewhere and has largely been credited for ensuring the survival of the tiger, cheetah and mountain gorilla.

    Bibles and The Book of Mormon, which once graced virtually every hotel room in the USA, were replaced with Richard Dawkins’ “The God Delusion.”

    As people have increasingly realized there is no sky-being looking out for us, donations to the Bill and Malinda Gates Foundation, the Red Heart (f/k/a “Red Cross”) and Doctors Without Borders are at an all time high. “Looking back, it’s weird to think of some of the nonsense people believed as late as the early 21st Century,” commented Pastor Smith, as he locked the doors and walked nonchalantly from his church. “I guess you can’t judge them too harshly, though. When you’re taught it from such an early age and then told it’s immoral to even question it, I guess you are easy prey.”

    May 31, 2013 at 2:54 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Tell us, is this how an Atheist prays? I mean, do you all chant all of that or just pray at an alter to Hitchens? 🙂

      May 31, 2013 at 2:58 am |
    • Bruce Almighty

      No. I for one try to open minds by regularly contributing to sites like this.

      May 31, 2013 at 3:00 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      You come to a highly biased , Atheist and Faithful Blog and try to open minds? Sorry Bruce, but the sides here are too entrenched. You can maybe work to get folks to at least un-clench their fist to pummel each other but, I hate to tell you that a Faith Blog is no where to hope to find converts.

      Try this Bruce, do you think anything new...any new points,clever thoughts, meaningful arguments, have been made in the thousands of pages of the Belief Blog? Each article goes up and the sides lock in and the same types of post go up over and over again. In another year, another story goes up and the same folks will post the same thing.

      Basically Bruce, it is a rare day when someone comes in to this blog unsure of their Faith or Non-Faith.

      May 31, 2013 at 3:08 am |
    • Bruce Almighty

      Actually, I admire Chad's resilience in the face of constant abuse and some posts from colin and LinCA make good points.

      May 31, 2013 at 3:49 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Well, I have not followed Chad for some time now, but LinCA is a pretty good debater. She has as much chance of changing someone's Faith as they have of changing hers. This is my point, you see Chad holding strong against ones that share your beliefs but the same can be said of those of the Atheist Faith.

      To me, since no views will be changed here because we all, Atheist and Faithful, have heard all of the compelling arguments against our personal beliefs, then it is better and a more glorious to work towards at least stopping folks from snarling at each other. 🙂

      L'Chaim

      May 31, 2013 at 3:59 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      ...said the black klukker.

      You want to see slavery come back. Yeah, don't nobody get uppity or talk back or anything. Got it.

      May 31, 2013 at 4:06 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Wake up Jimmy.... African American society is slowly realizing that it is time to shake ourselves off of the Democrats teat.

      Wake up my bro... please wake up.

      May 31, 2013 at 4:10 am |
    • Happy Atheist

      "To me, since no views will be changed here because we all, Atheist and Faithful, have heard all of the compelling arguments against our personal beliefs, then it is better and a more glorious to work towards at least stopping folks from snarling at each other."

      No snarling needed, but I do think some will be informed by some of the informal debate that occurs here. And I do not want to try and make compelling arguments against anyone's personal beliefs but to make compelling arguments for positively adding to an others human experience. When we fully flesh out to ourselves what we believe it becomes possible for one to grow, but keeping our beliefs hidden and secret leads to mental decay.

      The time to be happy is now. The place to be happy is here. The way to be happy is to make others so.

      May 31, 2013 at 4:13 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      klukker, you hate blacks, so why should i listen to anything you have to say?
      You are just a liar whose words are empty and worthless, like your hate-filled brain.
      You've already negated anything you say just by being a klukker. A stupid one at that.

      May 31, 2013 at 4:43 am |
    • The real Tom

      The Piddler loves to portray himself as this valiant peacemaker. It's pretty funny. Especially when he gets annoyed and immediately goes into insult mode while using smiley faces.

      May 31, 2013 at 6:31 am |
    • sam stone

      mark: the athiest faith?

      May 31, 2013 at 9:40 am |
  7. ChrisA

    woops "you're" gotta watch those contractions!

    May 31, 2013 at 2:50 am |
  8. dualkelly

    The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
    Yeah, christianity makes sense.

    May 31, 2013 at 2:14 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

      Seems, that part makes pretty good sense. 🙂

      May 31, 2013 at 2:56 am |
    • Bruce Almighty

      MFMR – maybe, but unfortunately it never happened. The stor of Jesus and the Adultress is a forgery added to Jonh's Gospel in the Middle Ages. This is almost unanimously accepted by Biblical scholars.

      May 31, 2013 at 2:58 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Bruce, please provide a link to the "unanimously accepted" part. I am interested that a Atheist... whom normally state that the entire Bible was a work of Fiction, wants to point to a specific scripture and declare that it is false. I have heard the arguments from Bible scholars ..who mostly live to fight each other... is that it sounds like John but maybe Luke so it was placed between John 7:52 and 8:12. Basically that it happened but not sure where it happened between birth and resurrection.

      So, for me I still hold that it is not a question of when or who said it and where in the canon it appears. If I go by the scholars, then I have no problem letting them battle it out over if it was Luke or John. I will hold that my Faith says that it happened and was a excellent example of Christ's answer to capital punishment.

      L'Chaim.

      May 31, 2013 at 3:39 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      Reality should chime in. I know he's got that link or reference somewhere.
      As far as I'm concerned, the whole question is like watching two Star Trek fans argue about the costumes.
      Outside of the fan-base, why should anyone care?
      I just came in to remind everyone that Mark is a black klukker, a rare example of psychosis in action.
      Study how he mangles and distorts everything at your own risk.
      Reading the words of those suffering from psychosis is not recommended unless you have the psychological tools to parse what is written in terms of underlying psychology.

      May 31, 2013 at 3:51 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Hi Jimmy. What's up Bro. 🙂 .... "I tip my 40 to your memory... "

      Jimmy.. Black Republicans Shout to you my hommie.

      Sigh ... Jimmy, the days of all African Americans being monolithic and permanently tethered to the Democrats is coming to a close. You can stay with the Democrats but they will not and have not saved you. Save yourself, Dear God do not wait for them to save you.

      As Spike Lee said .... "WAKE UP!!!!!"

      May 31, 2013 at 4:08 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      Don't forget your Nascar sticker!
      (Wear it on your forehead, you stupid klukking dumbfuck.)
      No, I bet you aspire to wear a tie. Better get a clip-on tie. Just a friendly reminder.

      May 31, 2013 at 4:51 am |
    • The real Tom

      *sigh* 😉

      May 31, 2013 at 5:40 am |
  9. BrightSide

    u dont believe in God??!! oh come on, then go ahead and hang urself, better than u are the illiterates, aborigines, and uncivilized they even believe in a Creator. if u cant hang urself it means u dont fear Death but u fear what will become of u after u die. it jst imply that u fear something, something above you.

    May 31, 2013 at 1:46 am |
    • HotAirAce

      I fear illiterate believers, such as yourself, more than I fear death. . .

      May 31, 2013 at 1:59 am |
    • I'm 45, illiterate, and live with my parents

      You right Bright.

      May 31, 2013 at 2:11 am |
    • tallulah13

      Can anyone actually tell what BrightSide said? It's like Lionly Lamb has an equally insane teenaged daughter.

      May 31, 2013 at 2:35 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Christians fear death, that is why they cling to an after-life...so the same could be said to you but most non-believers would never stoop to the level of saying such a thing. Atheist value this one life because it is all we have that we know of.

      May 31, 2013 at 5:19 am |
    • BrightSide

      Come on folks, Evolution is just part of Creation, No creation, no evolution. u know ur a creature, right? so u must have a Creator. Man evolve from monkeys? then why there are still monkeys today? or because man look like monkey? i even saw people who look like Horses, some look like crocodiles.

      June 5, 2013 at 2:58 am |
    • BrightSide

      I even heard many Atheists say "OH MY GOD."

      June 5, 2013 at 3:00 am |
  10. Shawn smith

    Losing it!!!!! No more like its being taking from us.

    May 31, 2013 at 1:41 am |
  11. Zoglet

    In "whatever" we trust!

    May 31, 2013 at 1:08 am |
  12. TheTruth

    “When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. And that's my religion.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln

    May 31, 2013 at 1:03 am |
    • I believe

      I believe, the polls are incorrect. We are still out here, having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and The Father God with our friends and families. I think we are tired of the devils INSIDE THE WALLS OF THE CHURCHES OF TODAY. Mr. Lincoln’s philosophy looks like God’s hand in his life.

      May 31, 2013 at 1:44 am |
    • tallulah13

      Actually, it sounds like Mr. Lincoln understood that you don't need religion to be a good person. Too bad there are still christians who can't figure that out. Of course, there are a lot of christians who aren't good with religion, so it's not surprising that they don't get it.

      May 31, 2013 at 2:51 am |
  13. charlon c burton

    Of course, the decline in interest in religious mainstream groups is the result of the advent of evangelical fundamentalists who are the Christian equivalent to Al Queda (in the Muslim world). They have not yet turned violent (with a few exceptions–i.e. abortion clinic attacks) but will soon do so.

    Christianity, like Islam has completely lost its grip on the imagination of ordinary people and now only the fringe elements are now prospering.

    May 31, 2013 at 12:34 am |
    • lol??

      The revenuers are buyin' all the ammo. Ain't fair or for the mommie gang problems.

      May 31, 2013 at 12:44 am |
  14. Attack Chart
    May 31, 2013 at 12:25 am |
    • WAT

      I would, but I don't have any charts handy.

      May 31, 2013 at 12:31 am |
    • GodFreeNow

      Looking for one of these perhaps?
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement1.svg

      May 31, 2013 at 12:34 am |
  15. Rory a

    Please tell me how 1500 represent over 300 million? That's like me asking 5 people what they think and saying 77% of people in the state of New York are losing their religion. America you are out of touch with America.

    May 31, 2013 at 12:16 am |
    • GodFreeNow

      Sample groups are commonly used because in most cases it's impossible to do a full census of every person alive to find an answer to a question. Polls are more or less correct. If you're looking for exact, I assume you're not religious.

      May 31, 2013 at 12:27 am |
    • LinCA

      @Rory a

      You said, "Please tell me how 1500 represent over 300 million? That's like me asking 5 people what they think and saying 77% of people in the state of New York are losing their religion. America you are out of touch with America."
      For the fundamentals of public opinion polling, you may find a decent primer here:
      http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/education/polling_fundamentals_intro.html

      May 31, 2013 at 12:41 am |
    • ChrisA

      @Rory a
      The more interesting part of this article is that "75% of Americans said the country would be better off if it were more religious." Atheists, why do you think that is?

      May 31, 2013 at 1:07 am |
    • fred bazzeeda

      Seems as you are quite angry, but please, learn something about how polling and surveys are done.

      May 31, 2013 at 1:56 am |
    • LinCA

      @ChrisA

      You said, "The more interesting part of this article is that "75% of Americans said the country would be better off if it were more religious." Atheists, why do you think that is?"
      It should be clear that it means that believers are morons. I realize that it will be hard, but I'll try to dumb it down enough so that you have a chance to grasp it.

      It stands to reason that it is almost exclusively those that consider religion a good thing, to be the ones that would consider it a good thing for everyone. There is very little reason to believe that many atheists would consider a more religious country to be a good thing.

      75% is very close to the percentage of believers in the US, but those that are religious aren't monolithic. It is comprised of mostly christians and small percentages of jews, buddhists, muslims, hindus and others. According to the 2010 numbers from The Pew Forum, the US religious make up is:
            Christian 78.3%
            Jewish 1.8%
            Buddhist 1.2%
            Muslim 0.9%
            Hindu 0.6%
            Folk 0.2%
            Other 0.6%
            Unaffiliated 16.4%
      (http://religions.pewforum.org/pdf/report-religious-landscape-study-full.pdf)

      If you ask the christians if they think the country should become more muslim, what do you expect the answer to be? Do you expect more than 1% to say yes? If you ask the christians if it should become more buddhist? Jewish?

      But even the christians aren't all the same:
            Protestant 51.3
                  Evangelical churches 26.3
                  Mainline churches 18.1
                  Hist. black churches 6.9
            Catholic 23.9
            Mormon 1.7
            Jehovah’s Witness 0.7
            Orthodox 0.6
                  Greek Orthodox <0.3
                  Russian Orthodox <0.3
                  Other <0.3
            Other Christian 0.3
      (http://religions.pewforum.org/pdf/report-religious-landscape-study-full.pdf)

      If you ask the protestants if they think the country should become more catholic, what do you expect the answer to be? If you ask the catholics if it should become more mormon? What do you expect the support among any non-evangelical to be for the country to become more evangelical?

      The only way you can get 75% support for a more religious country is if you let the believers think you're talking about their religion. Believers, by and large, are too fucking stupid to consider any beliefs other than their own.

      May 31, 2013 at 11:32 am |
    • ChrisA

      @LinCA
      That's a nice theory there LinCA, but that doesn't really answer the question. I'm not concerned with wether the people surveyed are muslim, christian, hindu, or atheist. (The article says "of Americans surveyed", so your making assumptions anyways.) What do they believe is wrong with the country, that it's in need of more faith?

      May 31, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
    • LinCA

      @ChrisA

      You are pretty dense, aren't you. You seem to be a perfect example in support of my analysis above.

      You said, "What do they believe is wrong with the country, that it's in need of more faith?"
      They most likely, and obviously mistakenly, believe that 21.7% of the country that is not christian is in need of a little Jesus. They most likely think that the country needs to believe more like hem.

      They most likely don't believe that the country is in need of more faith of just any variety. They, very likely, don't believe the country is in need of more people that believe in Allah, or Vishnu, or any god other than theirs.

      But, if the question had been broken out and asked if the country would be better off if it were more muslim, the percentage would have been in the low single digits. Probably less than 1%. If the question had been if the country would be better off if it were more catholic, the percentage would probably have been around 20%.

      Anyone with more than a couple of brain cells to rub together, will realize that any particular sect frowns upon any other getting larger. They realize that if you give too much power to any one sect, that sect will reduce freedom of religion for all others. They know that, because it's what they would do themselves.

      The only way you get to 75% in favor of more religion, is if you lump all christans together and let them make assumptions about the religion that the question is about. Only when the believers think that "more religious" means "more religious of their particular flavor" will they be in favor of more of it. You only get 75% if you ask dimwits.

      May 31, 2013 at 1:59 pm |
    • ChrisA

      @LinCA
      I don't know why you continue to insist that christians, or anybody of faith, is of intellectual inferiority to you? This belief of yours is not grounded in any type of reality.

      Anyway, once again you've made a whole bunch of assumptions without any facts. You assume that all the people polled where all christians. The article NEVER says that. You would look pretty silly if we discovered there were atheists mixed into that sample.

      I can also assure you that most christians don't care which religious group is larger. That's completely irrelevant. Muslims claim to be that fastest growing religion, and I haven't lost any sleep over that. What we care about is the morale condition of our society. In America we do things that would be unthinkable anywhere else, and yet to us it's just normal.

      For example, in the words of Sam Harris ( one of your most famous atheists) "Most people would need a degree in philosophy" to see whats wrong with p***ographic or s**ual suggestive images (CNN uses filters). Why is that? Why is it that most people wouldn't bat an eye over abortion, but yet if you saw a youtube clip of someone abusing a bird you would have a million animal rights activists crying foul? And christians are not excluded from what I'm saying, we're all guilty, and I think we could do a lot better.

      May 31, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Reading your posts would be enough to convince me that you're not terribly bright, Chris.

      May 31, 2013 at 6:54 pm |
    • LinCA

      @ChrisA

      You said, "I don't know why you continue to insist that christians, or anybody of faith, is of intellectual inferiority to you?"
      For one, chritsians continue to believe in imaginary beings. Most their entire lives.

      You said, "This belief of yours is not grounded in any type of reality."
      It is grounded in the complete and utter lack of any indication that the christians' imaginary friend is anything but imaginary. Worse, mutually exclusive traits, commonly attributed to this imaginary friend rule out any possibility it is real/

      You said, "Anyway, once again you've made a whole bunch of assumptions without any facts."
      I didn't present them as facts. I present them as reasonable assumptions.

      You said, "You assume that all the people polled where all christians."
      No, I didn't. I presented as an assumption, based on reasonable expectations that the people polled that said that the country would be better off if it were more religious, are themselves religious, that the 75% were mostly christians.

      You said, "The article NEVER says that."
      And neither did I.

      You said, "You would look pretty silly if we discovered there were atheists mixed into that sample."
      Actually, I would be surprised if there were any atheists in the 75%. I doubt that there are very many atheists that would think the country would be better if it were more religious. I would expect there to be some atheists in the 1500 polled.

      You said, "I can also assure you that most christians don't care which religious group is larger. That's completely irrelevant."
      I find that hard to believe, especially since the religiot on this comment board seem to disagree with you.

      You said, "Muslims claim to be that fastest growing religion, and I haven't lost any sleep over that."
      That is probably because even if they double in size, they're still less than 2%. I bet you'd lose sleep over it if they grow into double digits.

      You said, "What we care about is the morale condition of our society. In America we do things that would be unthinkable anywhere else, and yet to us it's just normal."
      And getting more religious isn't going to fix that.

      You said, "For example, in the words of Sam Harris ( one of your most famous atheists) "Most people would need a degree in philosophy" to see whats wrong with p***ographic or s**ual suggestive images (CNN uses filters)."
      Whether pornographic or sexually suggestive images are inappropriate depend on a number of factors. It depends on the conditions under which they were produced, what they imagery they represent, and who has access to them. Not all are bad.

      You said, "Why is it that most people wouldn't bat an eye over abortion, but yet if you saw a youtube clip of someone abusing a bird you would have a million animal rights activists crying foul?"
      Abortion is a medical procedure, abusing a bird is animal abuse. It's pretty simple, really.

      You said, "And christians are not excluded from what I'm saying, we're all guilty, and I think we could do a lot better."
      Of course, we can do a lot better, but the solutions aren't found in religion.

      May 31, 2013 at 7:11 pm |
  16. Americandirt

    The Word of Our Lord has never Changed, its the people who have changed.

    May 31, 2013 at 12:13 am |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      People have changed for the better I'd say. Slavery is no longer considered moral and women have the right to vote!

      May 31, 2013 at 12:16 am |
    • snopes says

      The Word of Your Lord has been more messed with than a San Diego hooker when the fleet is in.

      May 31, 2013 at 12:17 am |
    • lol??

      OHIO sayz,
      ".............Slavery is no longer considered moral................" You planning on paying yer share of the national debt or are you "SPECIAL"?
      BTW, women never get enuff respect or moolah. Any votin' connection to the budget??

      May 31, 2013 at 12:24 am |
    • Len

      People have changed the so-called "Word" of the Lord. A lot of the earliest manuscripts have changes, both accidental and intentional, from one another due to the hand scribing process of copying back then. I can't think of a single serious Bible scholar who would argue that the Bible we have today is exactly the same as the original books that make it up.

      May 31, 2013 at 12:25 am |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      LOL?? Please write a coherent sentance.

      May 31, 2013 at 12:28 am |
    • GodFreeNow

      The word of your lord would be meaningless without people, so it should be grateful and stop complaining.

      May 31, 2013 at 12:30 am |
    • lol??

      OHIO, you ARE special.

      May 31, 2013 at 12:31 am |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      LOL?? Non responsive, move to strike.

      May 31, 2013 at 12:34 am |
    • ChrisA

      @Len
      Yes humans aren't perfect. But Scholars would also agree that all the minor imperfections from manuscript to manuscript don't change the meaning of a single doctrine in the entire Bible. And they would also agree that as far as ancient manuscripts go, it's among the most reliable.

      We have more copies of the Bible than any other ancient work, and it's been scrutinized and studied more than any other ancient work. Yet here it stands.

      May 31, 2013 at 1:10 am |
    • NESTLE FOUNDATION OF OVALT INE

      @ChrisA the gullible:
      http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the_historical_existence_of_Jesus_Christ

      May 31, 2013 at 8:29 am |
  17. Name*stan da man osy

    To believe or not to believe is entirely up to the individual themselves but as for me, a Christian, I choose to believe because : I would rather go through life believing there is a GOD, die & find out that GOD never existed than to go through life believing that there is no GOD, die & woops ......THERE HE IS! !!!! Besides, if we lived according to JESUS teachings, wouldn't this world be a better place to live? I think it would be over a trillion times better but here's a question to ponder....how can there be a devil if GOD don't exist?

    May 31, 2013 at 12:07 am |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      Again with Pascal's wager. This is not valid.

      May 31, 2013 at 12:12 am |
    • snopes says

      That is just all kinds of wrong.

      May 31, 2013 at 12:14 am |
    • Len

      Name*stan da man osy
      As things stand now, I know that I'm completely unconvinced that even a single god has ever actually existed, and I know for sure that the Christian God is too contradictory and illogical to exist.

      If we lived according to Jesus' teaching everyone would give all that they have away in expectation of the world ending soon. How could our society make any advances at all if nobody took our having a future seriously? Those early Christians weren't developing any new cures, or inventing any better technology. They had given up on the world like all doomsday cults. How would copying that ever make the world a better place?

      May 31, 2013 at 12:35 am |
  18. krhode

    as usual...the media misinterprets or willfully misstates the meaning.

    May 31, 2013 at 12:06 am |
  19. mykel armory

    I have the last word here! Your bible quotes are not armor against the facts. And the facts prove that your religions are going to fade away, and the future belongs to the master of Earth, Lucifer! Leviathan! Beelzebub! Satan!

    May 31, 2013 at 12:01 am |
    • HotAirAce

      If you truly believe in satan (and are not a Poe), you are as crazy as any believer.

      May 31, 2013 at 12:05 am |
    • mykel armory

      That may be.

      May 31, 2013 at 12:40 am |
  20. Gerald

    I look for to the day when mankind comes together out of love and respect for each other rather than being divided by religion.

    May 30, 2013 at 11:59 pm |
    • Boston Jay

      gerald you are so right that simple word is love, i prey for that day to come soon

      May 31, 2013 at 12:05 am |
    • lol??

      No thanks.

      "1Jo 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him."

      May 31, 2013 at 12:13 am |
    • Dippy

      Boston, it's pray, not prey. You must be religious.

      May 31, 2013 at 12:45 am |
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