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June 11th, 2013
01:35 PM ET

Pope Francis: `Gay lobby' exists inside Vatican

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - Pope Francis said a “gay lobby” exists inside the Vatican, a surprising disclosure from a pope who has already delivered his share of stunners, and a resurrection of church conflicts that had bedeviled his predecessor's papacy.

“In the Curia,” Francis said, referring to Catholicism’s central bureaucracy, “there are holy people. But there is also a stream of corruption.”

“The 'gay lobby' is mentioned, and it is true, it is there,” Francis continued. “We need to see what we can do.”

READ MORE: The pope said what? Six stunners from Francis

Hints that the Holy See contained a network of gay clergy surfaced last year in reports about a series of embarrassing leaks to Italian journalists.

The "Vatileaks" scandal factored in Pope Emeritus Benedict XIV's shocking decision to resign earlier this year, according to some church experts, as it impressed upon the 86-year-old pontiff that the modern papacy requires a vigorous and watchful presence.

Francis' enigmatic comments came during a meeting Sunday with CLAR, the Latin American and Caribbean Confederation of Religious Men and Women, who head Catholic communities of priests, sisters and monks.

The Chilean website Reflection and Liberation, which focuses on Catholic theology, first reported Francis’ remarks. The Catholic blog Rorate Caeli translated the report into English.

A Vatican spokesman told CNN, "The Holy See Press Office has no official comment on the private meeting."

Gay and lesbian Catholic groups did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

The Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests said, "structure, not sexuality, is the real issue."

"The church is a monarchy. Monarchs are unaccountable. So many monarchs are corrupt. This is true in both secular and religious institutions," SNAP said in a statement.

Other Catholics counseled caution about reading too much into the pope's remarks.

"We don't have any explanation of what 'gay lobby' means," said Rocco Palmo, a Vatican watcher who runs Whispers in the Loggia, a website on Catholic news and church politics.

"Naturally, some in the church will try to polarize or interpret this, but as the rest of us aren't pope, we still have to get further explanation," Palmo added.

Church experts say the Chilean report rings true since the wide-ranging conversation centers on concerns that Francis has made touchstones of his nascent papacy.

In contrast to the buttoned-up Benedict, Francis has earned an early reputation for speaking off the cuff, often ditching prepared remarks in favor of more informal conversations.

On Friday, Francis nixed his “boring” speech and instead took questions from young Catholic students. Asked by a little girl if he wanted to be pope, Francis laughed and said that only someone who “doesn’t love himself” would want the position.

Last month, the pope sparked a worldwide debate by suggesting that atheists might be able to earn a spot in heaven.

"He has said some things that would turn Benedict whiter than the papal vestments," Palmo joked.

Francis told the Catholic leaders on Sunday to focus on the poor, that the Vatican must be reformed, and joked that whoever wagered on his long-shot election as pope “won a lot, of course.”

But his comments on the "gay lobby" are likely to gain the most attention, especially in the West, where Catholic leaders have been mounting a fierce fight against same-sex marriage.

After Benedict announced his resignation in February, reports circulated that a “gay lobby” had forced his hand.

Cardinals appointed by the former pope to find the source of the leaks investigated high-level Vatican clergy involved in homosexual affairs who might have been vulnerable to blackmail, according to La Repubblica, a leading Italian newspaper.

La Repubblica reported that the cardinals found evidence of a “gay lobby” within the Vatican but gave few details about it.

"Some high level clergy are exposed to the `external influence' – what we would call blackmail – of lay people to whom they are connected through ties of a `worldly nature,'" La Repubblica wrote.

The Vatican blasted the newspaper reports as “unverified, unverifiable and completely false.”

Francis is one of the few Catholic leaders to have seen the Vatican report.

The so-called Vatileaks scandal led to Benedict's butler, Paolo Gabriele, being convicted on charges last year of leaking private papers from the the pope's private office. He was sentenced to 18 months in prison.

'Gay lobby' behind pope's resignation? Not likely

John Allen, CNN’s senior Vatican analyst, has said it would have been odd if the Vatican report had not considered the possibility that "insiders leading a double life," including sexually active clergy, might be vulnerable to pressure to betray the pope.

“It seems a stretch, however, to suggest this is the real reason," behind Benedict's resignation, Allen said.

In one of his first actions as pope, Francis created a council of eight cardinals, including Cardinal Sean O'Malley of Boston,  to offer suggestions on reforming the Vatican.

“The reform of the Roman Curia is something that almost all Cardinals asked for in the congregations preceding the Conclave,” Francis said, referring to the meetings that led up to his election in March. “I also asked for it.”

But Francis said that he cannot promote the reform himself. “I am very disorganized,” he said, adding, “I have never been good at this.”

Instead, the pope said, he is relying on his eight appointed cardinals to move the reforms forward.

CNN's Richard Greene contributed to this report. 

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Belief • Catholic Church • Christianity • Church • Gay rights • gender issues • Homosexuality

soundoff (1,872 Responses)
  1. Andrew

    I think he is confusing a "lobby" for a "club".

    June 12, 2013 at 12:45 am |
  2. Shame on those persecuting gays or trying to force thier religious or bigoted views on others.

    Shame on those that discriminate or protest against gay people and thier seking equality.
    http://www.advocate.com/news/world-news/2013/05/26/watch-russian-police-arrest-dozens-lgbt-activists-moscow-pride

    June 12, 2013 at 12:35 am |
    • Truthful

      Shame on you for having an unclean way of life.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:57 am |
    • MM

      No Truthful, you are the shameful one. Your Jesus weeps for you.

      June 12, 2013 at 9:28 am |
  3. CARLinAC

    CNN, why are you bringing SNAP into this? Why are you conflating gay priests with the crimes of pedophiles which have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. To unnecessarily conflate the two is about the most offensive thing I can imagine you doing with this news story.

    Any chance to flog that molestation horse, right? Stay class, CNN!

    June 12, 2013 at 12:30 am |
    • Truth

      Gay=Pedophiles
      They are both sick pervisions.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:37 am |
    • Observer

      "Truth".

      The TRUTH, which you apparently are clueless about, is that pedophiles can be gays or heteros.

      The TRUTH, which you apparently are clueless about, is that more girls are molested by heteros than boys by gays.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:45 am |
    • Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam

      Leave it to a numbskull to come up with "pervisions".

      June 12, 2013 at 12:49 am |
    • Truthful

      I agree with Truth, it is a sick perversion.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:54 am |
    • Observer

      Truthful,

      You and Truth need to skip the HYPOCRISY. When heteros no longer engage in any perversions, you will BEGIN to have some credibility. Until then, it's all hypocrisy.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:56 am |
    • Truthful

      If you're looking for hypocrisy you just need to look toward gay and atheists.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:58 am |
    • fred

      Observer

      One third of sexual assaults are against boys and 92% of those perpetrators were homosexuals. If you consider only 3% of the population is male homosexual then you must call it as it is . 3% of the population is responsible for virtually all boys raped in our country.

      Kurt Freund, et al., "Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality," Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy 10 (Fall 1984):

      June 12, 2013 at 1:15 am |
    • HotAirAce

      fred, you can find a refutation of your logic here: http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000,002.htm.

      June 12, 2013 at 2:09 am |
    • HotAirAce

      fred, you should also read: http://www.internationalorder.org/scandal_response.html. To summarize, Freund's research actually states the opposite of what you claim.

      June 12, 2013 at 2:19 am |
  4. Bible

    Want to kill your gay coworker? No problem. We have a verse for that.

    June 12, 2013 at 12:30 am |
  5. Reality

    Another nail in the lid of the coffin of the RCC !!! Once again, run Catholics before you are buried in the crumbling churches of "fems" (flaws, errors, muck and stench) the eats away at the foundations of all religions.

    An example:

    AND THE INFAMOUS ANGELIC CONS CONTINUE TO WREAK STUPIDITY UPON THE RELIGIOUS WORLD:

    Joe Smith had his Moroni. (As does M. Romney)

    "Latter-day Saints like M. Romney also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

    Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

    Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

    Jesus and his family had/has Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day demon of the demented. (As does BO and his family)(As do Biden and Ryan)

    The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

    Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie/horn-blowing thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.

    June 12, 2013 at 12:13 am |
    • smoky

      Wowzee wowzee wuwu....

      June 12, 2013 at 12:34 am |
  6. Austin

    John 15:26-27
    New International Version (NIV)
    The Work of the Holy Spirit

    26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. 27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.

    Sue, I a m wrong often. But God isn't.

    June 12, 2013 at 12:12 am |
    • Reality

      The Apostles' Creed 2013 (updated by yours truly based on the studies of NT historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

      Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven?????

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
      ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      Amen
      (References used are available upon request.)

      June 12, 2013 at 12:14 am |
    • Sue

      Austin
      But what makes you believe so absolutely that you know what the Spirit's truth is? I could probably gather a dozen of you guys together into a room, all of you believing that you know the Spirit's "truth", and none of you would agree on everything. Face it, it's all just your personal opinions that your egos elevate to divine communication status. One big delusion of personal grandeur born out of mistaking some of your thoughts for contact with a god. Sad!

      June 12, 2013 at 12:23 am |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      God isn't wrong, except when he created humans in his own image who so displease him.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:26 am |
    • Jerry

      Right, you are – God is ALWAYS WRONG!

      June 12, 2013 at 12:28 am |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      And he may have messed up a little bit putting us in a universe that's winding down to oblivion.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:28 am |
    • jboom

      ... oblivion – actually that fits well with the Christian narrative

      "the best data we have [concerning the Big Bang] are exactly what I would have predicted, had I nothing to go on but the five books of Moses, the Psalms, the Bible as a whole.” – Arno Penzias (Nobel Laureate) in Schaefer, Henry F., Science & Christianity, p.49

      June 12, 2013 at 12:33 am |
    • Austin

      Sue, I have data as evidence and proof of a prophetic supernatural God, and I cannot lie to y self or others about it. I have a responsibility to be honest and share. Furthermore if I am not a coward I would proclaimed the reality hat Gos supernaturally ga e me faith t

      June 12, 2013 at 12:34 am |
    • jboom

      secular,
      Christians believe God create man with free will. Thus man has the capacity to please or displease.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:35 am |
    • Austin

      My heros in this life are the people the stories of the bible are about. And God is awesome. And he has interviened with man as a way to perpetuate our life in Him.

      He is worthy of praise. He is faithful to forgive.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:38 am |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      jboom

      I think it is highly unlikely that god created man. I also think that forcing belief with the threat of hell or banishment from god's grace is coersion.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:44 am |
    • jboom

      Secular,
      For what its worth, I can respect your belief. Certain metaphorical language within the New Testament, taken literally, has created a false Gospel taught by many in the west that has led many away from Christ. Unfortunately, that is not the gospel preached by the traditional & ancient Christian Church.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:52 am |
    • jboom

      should read 'fortunately'

      June 12, 2013 at 12:52 am |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      jboom

      For what it's worth – thankyou, and I respect you too much to respect your silly beliefs. I can accept that you believe, but I can't respect your belief.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:58 am |
    • jboom

      In hope of getting you to at least drop the adjestive 'silly', I would recommend the video "Unlocking the Mystery of Life" (1 hr video at amazon).

      As I said elsewhere in this forum, its not a god of the gaps argument. Its not a 'can't explain it so it must be god' argument.

      June 12, 2013 at 1:09 am |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      ID? Seriously...

      The earth is in a cosmic shooting gallery, 80 tons of cosmic debris fall an the earth each year.
      Life cannot exist in most of the universe. Most places kill life instantly. Not exactly hospitable.
      On the earth volcanos, tornados, tsunamis kill millions of people.
      The human eye can detect only a small part of the electomagnetic specturm.
      Gasses that we can't smell can kill us.
      There are many diseases that can kill us.
      We have a pleasure center in the middle of a sewage system. (se.x referance)
      Dolphins eat and breathe through different holes, so not an impossible design but we eat and breathe through the same hole, causing death by choking.
      I could go on but it seems to me that the universe is hardly intelligently designed.

      June 12, 2013 at 1:29 am |
    • sam stone

      Austin: God is not wrong because god does not exist. Have another drink, boy

      June 12, 2013 at 6:29 am |
    • sam stone

      Austin: How do you know that you are not wrong as to the existence or the nature of god?

      June 12, 2013 at 6:31 am |
    • sam stone

      Austin has data....file cabinets and file cabinets full of PROOF of the god of the babble. Seems only fair, since babble is all we get out of him. He will not show anyone his data. He is a coward, and a liar....along with his ilk Gopher and Chard

      June 12, 2013 at 6:35 am |
    • G to the T

      Acutally, I'd aleady figured out that Austin is psychic! It was only his mistake the he attributed his visions to the wrong supernatural agency...

      And that's the problem with these kinds of "proof"...

      June 12, 2013 at 11:43 am |
    • jboom

      Secular, You are assuming I am trying to convince you of intelligent design. I was merely suggesting that watching the video "Unlocking the Mystery of Life" (1 hr video at amazon) might result in you dropping the adjective 'silly' from your prior post.

      As I said elsewhere in this forum, its not a god of the gaps argument. Its not a 'can't explain it so it must be god' argument.

      June 12, 2013 at 11:12 pm |
  7. Cesar Jouvin

    The Vatican needs to understand that they been gay people sense GOD created the world. There's lots of GAY priests in the any church around the world. But "so called religions" can't and won't except reallity. It doesn't say any where in the bible that a priest can't get married or be gay. MAN likes to lie and mistranslate the bible to their benifits and sets their own rules. GOD has no part in this. Like i said millions times over and over again i would rather kiss Martin Luther King hand then the so called pope. Becasue the vatican has many hittden secrets and lies. I believe in GOD strongly and I've always had faith in him. Becasue at the end GOD is not going to save the vatican to any natural disasters.

    June 12, 2013 at 12:08 am |
  8. faith

    OK wazzup pop ? ... gays get to go to heaven too just like atheists !!!

    June 11, 2013 at 11:57 pm |
    • youidiots

      The bible talks about the time of the end in Matthew..."..when you catch sight of the disgusting thing in the holy place". Welcome to the beginning of the end.The end of False Religion is at hand.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:06 am |
  9. USMC1371

    Well if they will let the church be openly gay maybe they will leave the little boys alone. Well we can hope.......

    June 11, 2013 at 11:55 pm |
    • Austinyou

      Your approach is doa

      June 11, 2013 at 11:59 pm |
    • Joe C

      No... If they are gay, there will be more of it. What kind of priests do you think were molesting boys in the first place? Gay priests molest, gay priests don't pay attention to the ten commandments, gay priests are the problem, not the solution.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:06 am |
    • Reality

      FEAR, SHAME and GUILT and COVER IT ALL UP, a standard response across the board with the "walking with god clerics" now forever walking with the common man–

      Obviously ordination in any religion is not assurance of good behavior !!!!!

      Neither is coronation!!! e.g. Henry VIII, King David.

      Neither is marriage as 50% of those men convicted of pedophilia are married.

      Neither is being elected president of the USA!! e.g. Billy "I did not have s-ex with that girl" Clinton, John "Marilyn Monroe" Kennedy".

      Neither is possessing super athletic skill!!! e.g. Tiger "I am so sorry for getting caught" Woods.

      Neither is being an atheist or pagan or football coach since pedophilia is present in all walks of life.

      If someone is guilty of a crime in this litany of "neithers" they should or should have been penalized as the law dictates to include jail terms for pedophiliacs (priests, rabbis, evangelicals, boy scout leaders, married men/women, football coaches), divorce for adultery (Clinton, Kennedy, Woods), jail terms for obstruction of justice (Paterno et al, Clinton, Cardinal Law) or child endangerment (Paterno in abstentia, Sandusky et al, Lynn) and the death penalty or life in prison for murder ("Kings David and Henry VIII).

      June 12, 2013 at 12:18 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Being gay and being a pedophile are not one and the same. It is believed that many/most pedophiles do not have a definite or mature orientation. If you don't accept that, there are many more "hetero" pedophiles than "gay" pedophiles. But don't let facts get in the way of hating gays.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:41 am |
  10. Jeff

    Do you believe bigfoot exists? If not, why don't you believe?

    That is the same reason I don't believe gods exist. Think about it. Both creatures are equally absurd to believe in without supporting evidence. At least bigfoot hunters aren't inherently against gay marriage.

    June 11, 2013 at 11:53 pm |
    • AustiN

      Hairy butt

      June 11, 2013 at 11:58 pm |
    • jboom

      But I can understand how the beauty of the sciences – laws of physics, Einstein's relativity, Quantum physics, multiverse, modern day findings in microbiology, DNA, etc – can be created without bigfoot.

      Created without God, not so much.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:04 am |
    • Jeff

      @jboom,

      If we are just inventing facts without any proof, then why can't bigfoot create physics? It makes no difference what you think the universe SHOULD be. The universe just is the way it is. It is our job to discover how it is, not tell it how it is. Maybe 10 gods created the universe. Maybe it was a spider. Maybe it was a black hole. There are an infinite number of maybe's. You can't just pick one and declare it the winner for no reason. That is absurd.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:08 am |
    • fred

      The Bible is silent on gay marriage so your argument falls flat.
      Gay marriage is probably no different than the majority of marriages that do not honor God. It is better to be right before God than to be married.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:12 am |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      jboom

      The agrurment from incredibility is not a valid argument. Just because you can't believe something does not mean it is not true.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:15 am |
    • Observer

      fred,

      "Gay marriage is probably no different than the majority of marriages that do not honor God."

      God's idea of marriage is that it should be FORCED onto people.
      Skip all the HYPOCRISY. You DON'T believe or support all of what God said about marriage.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:17 am |
    • Jeff

      @fred

      So you don't think many Christians have a hatred for gays and gay marriage? That is absurd. Many polls have shown this to be a fact.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:18 am |
    • fred

      To those who hate the Bible is clear in that hate towards another is sin. So you are basically saying Christians sin which is a main theme in the New Testament and in the Old Testament the Chosen Ones broke the Law constantly. Nothing new here. The purpose of the Law was to expose the sinful nature of man.
      Your polls simply validate another truth from the Bible.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:25 am |
    • jboom

      Maybe the material universe existed for all eternity and is thus uncreated (eastern religions).
      Maybe the material universe created itself out of nothing (Steven Hawking, atheists).
      Maybe an uncreated Divinity created the universe (Christians, Jews, Muslims).

      All three are matters of faith. However, evidence is really in favor of a rational intelligence behind creation.

      For starters, see "Unlocking the Mystery of Life" (1 hr video at amazon), which essentially puts the ball in the court of materialists to show how their metaphysics are not matters of faith. And no its not a god of the gaps argument. Its not a 'can't explain it so it must be god' argument.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:25 am |
    • jboom

      last post in reply to Jeff's bigfoot remark

      June 12, 2013 at 12:26 am |
    • Observer

      fred,

      The Golden Rule was what "the law and the prophets is all about".

      Remember that the next time you HYPOCRITICALLY pick on gays while ignoring the FAR BIGGER problem of Christian ADULTERERS.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:28 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Until the mentally ill delusional believers prove that their so far unfounded gods exist, the ball remains in their court.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:30 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Not to mention the 700,000+ believers who have abortions each year in the USA, with none known to have been thrown out of their cult for breaking their charlatan's rules.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:32 am |
    • jboom

      hotair,

      OK, but give them a chance.

      Watch the video and see if you hold as strongly to your atheism.

      "Unlocking the mystery of Life" instant video at amazon

      June 12, 2013 at 12:38 am |
    • fred

      HotAirAce
      Gays are not kicked out because they are gay. The gays at our church prefer churches that take the Jefferson Bible approach to controversial issues so they leave on their own. Those who remain stay sin free to the same extent the rest of us do (not very often)

      June 12, 2013 at 12:39 am |
    • sam stone

      so, fred is speaking for god now?

      apparently freddie is yet another pompous fool who thinks they know the mind of god

      June 12, 2013 at 6:40 am |
    • sam stone

      jboom: how do you make the logical leap from a creator to a "god"?

      June 12, 2013 at 7:10 am |
  11. papuspopus

    Does it take a doctorate in theology to understand what the pope said?

    June 11, 2013 at 11:46 pm |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      A doctorate in theology is an oxymoron.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:53 pm |
  12. Observer

    HeavenSent,,

    Pregnancy requires an egg and sperm. The s-xual orientation of the contributors is not critical.

    So it is TRUE or FALSE?

    June 11, 2013 at 11:44 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, I'm not the one you need to ask why the aversion exists.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:50 pm |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      It's a simple TRUE or FALSE question.

      Stumped?

      June 11, 2013 at 11:51 pm |
    • Austin

      That question is questionable.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:57 pm |
    • Observer

      Austin

      What is the answer? Are you TOTALLY STUMPED, too?.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:02 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, male producing live sperm(s) plus female producing live egg(s) is true for your answer.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:05 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      That's right. The s-xual orientation of the contributors is NOT CRITICAL.

      See? You may have learned something tonight.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:08 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, I never answered the latter part of your question.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:16 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent

      "Observer, I never answered the latter part of your question."leazse

      Are you actually admitting that you are that INCREDIBLY IGNORANT about biology?

      Please take a beginner's class in Biology 101 or read "Biology for Dummies". How embarrassing for you!

      June 12, 2013 at 12:20 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, I don't know if you were born to hear this song.

      In the year twenty-five twenty-five
      If man is still alive
      If woman can survive, they my find

      In the year thirty-five thirty-five
      Ain't gonna need to tell the truth
      Tell no lies
      Ev'rything you think, do and say
      Is in the pill you took today

      In the year forty-five forty-five
      You ain't gonna need your teeth
      Won't need your eyes
      You won't find a thing to chew
      Nobody's gonna look at you

      In the year fifty-five fifty-five
      Your arms hangin' limp at your sides
      Your legs got nothin' to do
      Some machine's doin' that for you

      In the year sixty-five sixty-five
      You won't need no husband
      Won't need no wife
      You'll pick your son
      Pick your daughter, too
      From the bottom of a long glass tube

      In the year seventy-five ten
      If God's a-comin'
      He oughta' make it by then
      Maybe he'll look around himself, and say
      "Guess it's time for the Judgement Day"

      In the year eighty-five ten
      God is gonna shake his mighty head
      he'll either say,
      "I'm pleased where man has been"
      Or tear it down, and start again

      In the year ninety-five ninety-five
      I'm kind a wonderin'
      If man is gonna be alive
      He's taken ev'rything
      this old earth can give
      and he ain't put back nothin'

      Now it's been ten thousand years
      Man has cried a billion tears
      For what? He never knew
      Now man's reign is through

      But through eternal night
      The twinkling of starlight
      So very far away
      Maybe it's only yesterday

      In the year twenty-five twenty-five
      If man is still alive
      If woman can survive they may find . . .

      June 12, 2013 at 12:22 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      Read the words to the far-better and successful song "Imagine" by John Lennon.

      Now, what are you going to do about your shocking lack of knowledge of simple biology?

      June 12, 2013 at 12:26 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommy Tom 101 for dummies, using multiple handles makes you look like a tryout for Sybil.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:33 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      Are you going to take a beginner's class in biology or read a beginner's book so you won't be so clueless next time?

      It's shocking that an adult knows so little about "the birds and the bees". Put the Bible down and read a science book.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:37 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommy Tom, cough, Observer, all your bullying techniques to get people over to your side of lies is a waste of time. Yours, as well as others. Understand one truth, many people wouldn't stoop to dealing, never mind, buying into your level of manipulation. The reality is, your technique only works with folks that live in ego.

      June 12, 2013 at 1:07 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      You have made a total FOOL of yourself, not once but twice tonight. First of all you are clueless about basic biology and secondly you are a LIAR (so much for following the Ten Commandments) claiming I use multiple names.

      I'll leave your embarrassment here so you can study basic biology and explain to God why you LIE.

      Hopefully, tomorrow you will be smarter and much more honest. So much for your integrity today.

      June 12, 2013 at 1:14 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, you proved yourself to be a liar. Sadly, lying is all you know. Lying and manipulating is your way of life. Placing the blame on others is why you remain spiritually stunted. Narcissism: Denial of the True Self. Alexander Lowen (Author) "life devoid of emotions is beyond imagination".

      P.S. Have you figured out the acronym definition for BAITER.

      June 12, 2013 at 1:41 am |
  13. Douglas

    Thank God we have a Pope who has the backbone to take on the gay fornicators.

    With the thieves inside the temple itself, it is time to clean house and eliminate the spreading
    cancer with a scalpel and a prayer.

    Go get them Pope Francis, we've got your back on this one.

    Catholics, Orthodox Jews, Moslems and Mormons know that gay coitus is a sin.

    It is time to defend the family against filth.

    June 11, 2013 at 11:41 pm |
    • Syd

      Hey, Elmer Gantry, want to know something? You're full of crap. Shove your "gay coitus". You sound retarded.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:46 pm |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      Being gay is not a sin anymore than having blue eyes is a sin.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:47 pm |
    • Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam

      Fear is the mind killer. Douglas is pitifully afraid.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:54 pm |
    • Akira

      Some people will never get that memo, SHfO. Thankfully, they are a dying breed.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:55 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Thank God we have a fornicating Poe who's got the Pope's back.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:56 pm |
    • Lee

      Right on Doug!

      June 12, 2013 at 12:02 am |
    • Akira

      "time to clean house and eliminate the spreading
      cancer with a scalpel and a prayer."
      Is this a suggestion to kill gay people? Not a very Christian wish.
      When should this be done? At birth? Because gays are born gay.
      Some people's fantasies are just...sick.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:10 am |
    • HotAirAce

      It is quite likely Pope-a-Dope Frankie is gay and intends to allow priests to come out of the closet.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:13 am |
    • JT

      Your hate is far more filthy. Funny how you ignore all parts of your great book about loving others and not judging. I'll bet there will be far more gays in Heaven before you ever get there.

      June 12, 2013 at 1:50 am |
    • sam stone

      I cannot decide whether Doogie is a troll, or a closet queen

      June 12, 2013 at 6:41 am |
  14. Mack

    Even the Pope admits there are gay lobbyists inside the Vatican. How that can be if the most holy of men are certainly expected to follow the word of God? You see how this religious argument is starting to become a house of cards as humans gain more knowledge and enlightenment? Love it.

    June 11, 2013 at 11:35 pm |
  15. magnus opum

    Satan wants you to believe you are nothing but an animal. Do that and he will take over from there.

    June 11, 2013 at 11:25 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      Evolutionist call themselves to be human, but believe themselves to be animals. secular, self centered by nature, just hindu lost cause.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:28 pm |
    • Observer

      The Bible says Satan fooled God into destroying most of Job's family and possessions to win a bet. He won.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:28 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Satan's minions ensure the fool buy into their lies of evolution.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:28 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      As usual Observer, you have it backwards. It was satan destroying Job, loosing his bet with God that Job would buckle under pressure and denounce God. Job never did. As usual, God is the winning team.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:32 pm |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      God's supporters believe the world is only thousands of years old. Talk about lies!

      June 11, 2013 at 11:32 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Suffer much do the children by their mentor's own doing.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:36 pm |
    • Austin

      3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:36 pm |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      God let Job's family and possessions get ruined. He came out the loser here. How HEARTLESS can you get?

      June 11, 2013 at 11:36 pm |
    • JamesK

      I thought that Satan was supposed to be a flatterer, corrupting people by stroking their egos? How is the switch from seeing yourself as modelled after the most perfect being imaginable to being just another creature living on the planet, sharing common ancestors with the rest, a play on people's egos? Seriously, that argument is exactly backwards.

      It's you believers who have elevated yourselves above the rest of life on this planet, who imagine yourself in this special relationship with the most powerful being imaginable, and who believe that this being wants to be close to you forever. I can't think of a way to make yourselves mores self-important than that.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:38 pm |
    • Austin

      Why are Lyell and Hutton taking credit for the theory of uniformitarianism, when the theory of uniformitarianism was prophesied in 2 peter

      June 11, 2013 at 11:38 pm |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      Humans are animals! We're primates.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:43 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      It is also written that a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day in the kingdom domains of God.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:44 pm |
    • Observer

      lionlylamb

      "It is also written that a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day in the kingdom domains of God."

      Yep. Apparently God is clueless about how long it takes the earth to rotate ONE TIME.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:46 pm |
    • Roger

      Austin – did you really think the early spammers didn't know how to ward off rational inquiry with fear to go along with the promised rewards? Oh how the masses fell in love with the fine print.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:46 pm |
    • JamesK

      Austin
      Still, the flood did come in Noah's lifetime, as promised in that story. 2 Peter was written later than most of the other NT books, so it's understandable that the author wanted to address this disappointment, but Jesus' promises did go unfulfilled during his lifetime, and continued to go unfulfilled through the next several hundred generations, and counting. This is a huge difference, yes? Why shouldn't people be skeptical?

      June 11, 2013 at 11:46 pm |
    • Austin

      Lionly lamb, can we get the commentary from you on that verse?

      June 11, 2013 at 11:48 pm |
    • Austin

      First off, the holy spirit is a sanctifying spirit that bears the truth, if it's true. Which it is, as He does bear the truth supernaturally

      Second, prophecies are no subprime to a God who always was prophetic. He is risen, and His promises are being carried out. A kingdom is forming. He is calling out aphis kingdom. And so his promises can not be fulfilled until His spiritual seed is fully ripened. You are presently being called

      June 11, 2013 at 11:53 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, why do you always go backwards when you lose? Remember, I told you about the 3 earth and 3 heaven ages in 2 Peter 3.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:54 pm |
    • Roger

      2 Peter. Ha. Biblical scholars can't even agree on who the author was.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:58 pm |
    • jboom

      unfulfilled promises?

      Do you refer to his second coming?

      June 11, 2013 at 11:59 pm |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      It's a riot that believers have to pretend words don't mean what they do so that Bible passages won't look so ignorant.

      A "DAY" is defined to be the 24-hour period that it takes the earth to rotate ONE TIME. Check a dictionary. PRETENDING that period is THOUSANDS of years just shows how desperate you are to make EXCUSES.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:59 pm |
    • Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam

      Austin method of Biblical validation:
      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YIj4rLYo0c&w=640&h=360]

      June 12, 2013 at 12:01 am |
    • Austin

      Things we haven't experienced that we can count on...........being forgiven at judgment.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:03 am |
    • Sue

      @Austin
      "He does bear the truth supernaturally"
      If Satan is trying to pass something off as "truth" he'd be communicating supernaturally as well, right? So the question remains: How can you be sure that you have the actual "truth" and not a Satanic lie? I don't know if Satan is real, but I do know that you are wrong in many ways, so maybe you have been listening to the wrong guy all along.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:03 am |
    • evolvedDNA

      Magnus you are actually an animal...sounds like your satan is telling the real truth after all..

      June 12, 2013 at 12:05 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, because you believe satan's lies is why you have it backwards.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:08 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      What is the definition of a "day"?

      You should be able to handle this. Use a dictionary if you need.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:10 am |
    • evolvedDNA

      Islam.. you appear to be a few centuries behind other humans. even your christian friends..but heres a secret to share.. you are an animal, and also a human. I expect that if you look hard enough you will see no difference between an muslim human, and a Jewish human, or a christian human, or an atheist human. I hope that some day you will awake from your nightmare and walk with humanity again.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:12 am |
    • Wendy

      Austin
      God forgiving you after you die is only a promise invented by men. Nobody knows what happens because nobody that was actually dead has ever reported what they saw. "Near death" doesn't cut it. Those people only appeared to die for a short time. They were never really completely dead.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:13 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, cough, Tommy Tom, be grateful for the Jews and Christian that let you know the calendar is after our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:37 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      Yep. Today is Wednesday, named after the God Woden. Tomorrow is Thursday, named after the God Thor. Ooops!

      June 12, 2013 at 12:40 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, cough, Observer, Sybil, some day you'll stop listening to the lies in the toy room and come over to the true info sites.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:47 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      Trying to change the subject fools no one but yourself. If you are accusing me of using multiple names (like "Tom"), you are a LIAR and God doesn't like LIARS. Read the Bible some day, as well as a basic biology book.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:49 am |
    • jboom

      observer,
      "... make excuses."

      Consider the original Hebrew. And the writings of the early Church Fathers. They wrote in similar language. An 'old earth' interpretation of Genesis is not new.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:58 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, cough, Tommy Tom, that's her gift. Matty knows the bottom line. She keeps on coming. LOL. Amateur.

      June 12, 2013 at 1:18 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Austin, by the way, great post.

      Amen.

      June 12, 2013 at 1:21 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      Pray that God doesn't judge you on whether you LIE or not. You'll be headed to hell If he does.

      Get some sleep. Read a biology book in the morning and worry about your fate for lying. Good luck.

      June 12, 2013 at 1:22 am |
    • JT

      Who? Is he a character in Harry Potter?

      June 12, 2013 at 1:51 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, cough Tommy Tom, cough wanna be or is it, have to be Sybil. I already posted my answer that I know you, I see right through you. I survived folks like you.

      Tom, you proved yourself to be a liar. Sadly, lying is all you know. Lying and manipulating is your way of life. Placing the blame on others is why you remain spiritually stunted. Narcissism: Denial of the True Self. Alexander Lowen (Author) "life devoid of emotions is beyond imagination".

      P.S. Have you figured out the definition for BAITER? No man can help you. Only God can save you if you ask Him. I'm praying for you that you will seek His help. God Bless.

      June 12, 2013 at 2:03 am |
  16. faith

    knowing him is intimacy

    in to me he sees

    and loves me

    a love i never new

    his love changes all things

    life begins

    takes some of his kids 4rvr 2 begin to realize we r not hallucinating. nothin compares 2 his love. many of us only dreamed of something like it. many stopped by end of childhood

    very hard 4 some 2 get it

    June 11, 2013 at 11:23 pm |
    • Sandi

      A Jesus fetish. Sick.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:31 pm |
    • Austin

      That was great!

      June 11, 2013 at 11:33 pm |
    • Syd

      That is gross. Nobody should be sexually fixated on Jesus.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:40 pm |
  17. JRNY

    Oh yeah, now the Poop is going to say that all the child molestations were caused by gay men instead of just sick priests. ROFL! He obviously doesn't know a hint of psychology...gay men aren't attracted to children, they prefer men like themselves. Most cases of pedophila can be traced right back to a straight, sick individual.
    Oh, and on the side, of course he's doing this since he was so angry at Argentina for legalizing gay marriage. Just goes to show that a Poop is a poop.

    June 11, 2013 at 11:18 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      Do you mean, priests are not men?

      June 11, 2013 at 11:25 pm |
    • Meredith W.

      Pope Francis hasn't said a word suggesting that gay = pedophile. Please don't suggest that he has.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:41 pm |
  18. faith

    c, difficult 2 surprise him with any topic. he invented secks and wants us to be thrilled with it. even says it is analogous 2 our relationship wit him. we b his bride. husbands to love wives as jeeeeeeeeebuuuuuuuuus luves you. awesome mystery and beauty. gave us ultimate pleasure and likened it 2 being one with him. sure enough. gaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwd nod his stuff

    June 11, 2013 at 11:08 pm |
    • Answer

      You need to commit suicide.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:11 pm |
    • Akira

      According to Christians, Jesus never even *had* sex; therefore, it is completely ridiculous to speculate that he invented something he never experienced.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:18 pm |
    • Rodney McKay

      What hath texting wrought...

      June 11, 2013 at 11:45 pm |
    • G to the T

      Then why do many animal species take part in recreational (non-procreational) se.x? Seems to me an odd thing to give animals that same feeling of the love of christ (which is BIZARRE by the way = equating se.xual bliss w/the indwelling of god).

      June 12, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
  19. Old Joke

    Do you know the best way to get a nun pregnant? Dress her up as an altar boy.

    June 11, 2013 at 11:05 pm |
    • Nun's can get pregnant...

      from but t s ex?

      June 11, 2013 at 11:19 pm |
  20. faith

    c, he sort a invented secks

    June 11, 2013 at 11:03 pm |
    • Austin

      thats good.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:05 pm |

    • Jesus, you mean? Jesus invented sex?

      June 11, 2013 at 11:06 pm |
    • Dippy

      Try that again in English.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Wait on it. Let's find out what secks is before we go any further with faith.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:07 pm |
    • Austin

      come on Tom it obviously takes two se.xual organs, that would be male and female. That is the definition.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:09 pm |
    • Akira

      Jesus most certainly did not invent sex. What an absurd notion.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:09 pm |
    • faith

      no, austin, it b incredible

      June 11, 2013 at 11:10 pm |
    • Observer

      Austin,

      Basic Biology 101. Pregnancy requires an egg and sperm. The s-xual orientation of the contributors is not critical.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:11 pm |
    • Akira

      Austin: incorrect.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:12 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, excuses, excuses while having to pull in the op.posite s3x contributor to complete the equation.

      June 11, 2013 at 11:40 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Austin, two sexual organs? You mean you don't have a complete set?

      June 11, 2013 at 11:47 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, Tom, the Other One, you're forgetting the equation that it requires 2 opposite s3xual organs to be fruitful and multiply.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:00 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      Still TOTALLY STUMPED?

      June 12, 2013 at 12:04 am |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      Yeah Tom, Tom, did you forget that? What on earth is wrong with you? sarcasm off

      June 12, 2013 at 12:06 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      I think it's fascinating that you think sexual organs are opposed to one another. Cooperation is the key, HeavenSent.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:06 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Like clockwork Tommy, you place the blame on the wrong party. Can't Ty for playing, Sybil.

      June 12, 2013 at 12:43 am |
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