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June 11th, 2013
01:35 PM ET

Pope Francis: `Gay lobby' exists inside Vatican

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - Pope Francis said a “gay lobby” exists inside the Vatican, a surprising disclosure from a pope who has already delivered his share of stunners, and a resurrection of church conflicts that had bedeviled his predecessor's papacy.

“In the Curia,” Francis said, referring to Catholicism’s central bureaucracy, “there are holy people. But there is also a stream of corruption.”

“The 'gay lobby' is mentioned, and it is true, it is there,” Francis continued. “We need to see what we can do.”

READ MORE: The pope said what? Six stunners from Francis

Hints that the Holy See contained a network of gay clergy surfaced last year in reports about a series of embarrassing leaks to Italian journalists.

The "Vatileaks" scandal factored in Pope Emeritus Benedict XIV's shocking decision to resign earlier this year, according to some church experts, as it impressed upon the 86-year-old pontiff that the modern papacy requires a vigorous and watchful presence.

Francis' enigmatic comments came during a meeting Sunday with CLAR, the Latin American and Caribbean Confederation of Religious Men and Women, who head Catholic communities of priests, sisters and monks.

The Chilean website Reflection and Liberation, which focuses on Catholic theology, first reported Francis’ remarks. The Catholic blog Rorate Caeli translated the report into English.

A Vatican spokesman told CNN, "The Holy See Press Office has no official comment on the private meeting."

Gay and lesbian Catholic groups did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

The Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests said, "structure, not sexuality, is the real issue."

"The church is a monarchy. Monarchs are unaccountable. So many monarchs are corrupt. This is true in both secular and religious institutions," SNAP said in a statement.

Other Catholics counseled caution about reading too much into the pope's remarks.

"We don't have any explanation of what 'gay lobby' means," said Rocco Palmo, a Vatican watcher who runs Whispers in the Loggia, a website on Catholic news and church politics.

"Naturally, some in the church will try to polarize or interpret this, but as the rest of us aren't pope, we still have to get further explanation," Palmo added.

Church experts say the Chilean report rings true since the wide-ranging conversation centers on concerns that Francis has made touchstones of his nascent papacy.

In contrast to the buttoned-up Benedict, Francis has earned an early reputation for speaking off the cuff, often ditching prepared remarks in favor of more informal conversations.

On Friday, Francis nixed his “boring” speech and instead took questions from young Catholic students. Asked by a little girl if he wanted to be pope, Francis laughed and said that only someone who “doesn’t love himself” would want the position.

Last month, the pope sparked a worldwide debate by suggesting that atheists might be able to earn a spot in heaven.

"He has said some things that would turn Benedict whiter than the papal vestments," Palmo joked.

Francis told the Catholic leaders on Sunday to focus on the poor, that the Vatican must be reformed, and joked that whoever wagered on his long-shot election as pope “won a lot, of course.”

But his comments on the "gay lobby" are likely to gain the most attention, especially in the West, where Catholic leaders have been mounting a fierce fight against same-sex marriage.

After Benedict announced his resignation in February, reports circulated that a “gay lobby” had forced his hand.

Cardinals appointed by the former pope to find the source of the leaks investigated high-level Vatican clergy involved in homosexual affairs who might have been vulnerable to blackmail, according to La Repubblica, a leading Italian newspaper.

La Repubblica reported that the cardinals found evidence of a “gay lobby” within the Vatican but gave few details about it.

"Some high level clergy are exposed to the `external influence' – what we would call blackmail – of lay people to whom they are connected through ties of a `worldly nature,'" La Repubblica wrote.

The Vatican blasted the newspaper reports as “unverified, unverifiable and completely false.”

Francis is one of the few Catholic leaders to have seen the Vatican report.

The so-called Vatileaks scandal led to Benedict's butler, Paolo Gabriele, being convicted on charges last year of leaking private papers from the the pope's private office. He was sentenced to 18 months in prison.

'Gay lobby' behind pope's resignation? Not likely

John Allen, CNN’s senior Vatican analyst, has said it would have been odd if the Vatican report had not considered the possibility that "insiders leading a double life," including sexually active clergy, might be vulnerable to pressure to betray the pope.

“It seems a stretch, however, to suggest this is the real reason," behind Benedict's resignation, Allen said.

In one of his first actions as pope, Francis created a council of eight cardinals, including Cardinal Sean O'Malley of Boston,  to offer suggestions on reforming the Vatican.

“The reform of the Roman Curia is something that almost all Cardinals asked for in the congregations preceding the Conclave,” Francis said, referring to the meetings that led up to his election in March. “I also asked for it.”

But Francis said that he cannot promote the reform himself. “I am very disorganized,” he said, adding, “I have never been good at this.”

Instead, the pope said, he is relying on his eight appointed cardinals to move the reforms forward.

CNN's Richard Greene contributed to this report. 

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Belief • Catholic Church • Christianity • Church • Gay rights • gender issues • Homosexuality

soundoff (1,872 Responses)
  1. susie

    That explains why the Bishops wear those pink hats. Google it some time.

    June 11, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
  2. Mr. Magoo

    A Christians way of looking at something they don't understand. "It's a miracle from God!" It will be a miracle when you people shut up and keep it to yourselves.

    June 11, 2013 at 5:10 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      It is a miracle, finally they are able to speak truth about hindu gay ism, filthy self centered ism among them. Clean the house and get rid of hindu rats, filthy secular s to live by truth absolute.

      June 11, 2013 at 5:18 pm |
    • Mr. Magoo

      @mr Islam guy. I heard the Taliban is really gay. Is this true?

      June 11, 2013 at 5:20 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      Go there and check it out your self, last hindu gay was punished by stoning by Taliban.

      June 11, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
    • NESTLE FOUNDATION OF OVALT INE

      Islam bot, absolute specimen of primitive, hurting brain ism.

      June 11, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
  3. Dan

    Anything to keep membership up in their cult.

    June 11, 2013 at 5:04 pm |
    • just me.

      Perhaps they will begin selling condoms at the gift shop down in the gay lobby..

      June 11, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
  4. Dan

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHbYJfwFgOU&w=640&h=360]

    June 11, 2013 at 5:03 pm |
    • independent_sheitz

      Yeah, but science can't explain why with rare exceptions, all Vatican folks touch themselves and pontificate about morality! 🙂

      June 11, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
    • independent_sheitz

      Once upon a time, there were Adam and Eve. They practiced incest to have grandchildren...! 🙂

      June 11, 2013 at 5:21 pm |
  5. Mr. Magoo

    It sucks that these religious people no matter who you are follow a hypocritical way of life and shove it down are throats. Why do you have to be gay and Christian. Just be gay and stop being a drama queen. Yes we all know your a gay Catholic. yeahhhh.

    June 11, 2013 at 5:03 pm |
    • AtheistsFools

      Talking about hypocrites, the only hypocrites i see here are atheists using other people name to post idiocies because you can't take the truth losers.

      June 11, 2013 at 5:04 pm |
    • Dan

      A. Fool, is that your real name? Did you ever get fisted by a priest?

      June 11, 2013 at 5:06 pm |
    • independent_sheitz

      Yeah, go touch yourself like the rest of the Vatican folks and save us from your fvcking Christian/Islamic/etc. pontification BS.

      June 11, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
    • Mr. Magoo

      @Atheistfools. I am sorry you are so sure that some dude rose three days after they merked his butt. Never happened just like most of your miracles which have a scientific way to explain the unknown.

      June 11, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
    • I Am God

      Atheistfools that is funny coming from a fool that takes other people's profile names.

      June 11, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
  6. independent_sheitz

    With rare abnormalities, all Vatican folks touch themselves! All religions are man made sheitz! 🙂

    June 11, 2013 at 5:01 pm |
    • independent_sheitz

      Christianity and Islam are the two biggest piles of sheitz! Every sheep touches him/herself and s/he always acts like s/he is holier than the infidels! lol

      June 11, 2013 at 5:05 pm |
    • Austin

      so your entire opinion revolves an epiphany that involves the touching of self......................in relation to what?

      are you saying something about Jesus? based on this? That clearly does not work. you are focused on?

      June 11, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
    • independent_sheitz

      Austin, yeah, IF jesus existed, he touched himself just like you do! 🙂

      June 11, 2013 at 6:37 pm |
  7. Dan

    Of course there is a gay lobby in the vatican. They are all gay.

    June 11, 2013 at 5:01 pm |
    • Austin

      Im hoping all of them are not.

      June 11, 2013 at 5:06 pm |
  8. Mr. Magoo

    I bet it gets real gay at the Vatican.

    June 11, 2013 at 5:00 pm |
    • AtheistsFools

      Not for long.

      June 11, 2013 at 5:03 pm |
    • Mr. Magoo

      @atheistfools. Your way of life is on the way out. In most developed country's they are moving toward science and reason not folklore and myth.

      June 11, 2013 at 5:05 pm |
  9. Tom, Tom, the Other One

    Along with allowing and performing the rites of marriage for gay people, I'd also like to see priests, gay priests at least, wear wedding bands as many nuns do signifying (figuratively) that they are wedded to Christ. Perhaps the Pope should always be gay and have that relationship with Christ.

    June 11, 2013 at 4:58 pm |
  10. AtheistsFools

    I'm glad the Pope is going to clean the place up. Getting rid of hypocrites is a good thing. It will also clear the place up from atheists hiding under the blanket of religion.

    June 11, 2013 at 4:56 pm |
    • Dan

      Atheist fools? You are the one that believes in that absurd magical nonsense.

      June 11, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
    • I Am God

      Going to be glad when trolls like you are long gone. I bet you want another religious crusade on the world don't you?

      June 11, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      Dirty secrete of hindu gay ism, filthy hind love ism is open, it has always been part of Catholic ism, and will always be part of Catholic ism.

      June 11, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
    • Theseus

      Why would an atheist hide in religion? It goes against what they believe.

      June 11, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
  11. Rob W

    So... the Pope doesn't like the cheerful foyer?

    June 11, 2013 at 4:53 pm |
  12. Brad

    I knew the Gay Mafia was powerful, but whoah!

    June 11, 2013 at 4:47 pm |
    • AtheistsFools

      Everywhere you will find gay people you will at the same time find atheists.

      June 11, 2013 at 4:57 pm |
    • AtheistsFools

      I know this because I hang around as many of both as I can hoping to get lucky.

      June 11, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
    • Dan

      A. Fool, the priests are all gay. What are you talking about?

      June 11, 2013 at 5:00 pm |
    • AtheistsFools

      I knew Sam would use my name sooner or later. Dumb atheists, that's all they can do. Bunch of coward and hypocrites too. Can't take the truth atheists? They when you have to send Sam in to use other people name to post idiocies?

      June 11, 2013 at 5:02 pm |
    • AtheistsFools

      Neither post above is mine.

      June 11, 2013 at 5:06 pm |
    • sam

      @AT – What are you yammering about, you paranoid moron? You're too boring to bother with. Go back to watching gay porn and stop trolling.

      June 11, 2013 at 5:09 pm |
  13. Pedro

    Every being that exists either exists by itself, by its own essence or nature, or it does not exist by itself. If it exists by its own essence, then it exists necessarily and eternally, and explains itself. It cannot not exist, as a triangle cannot not have three sides. If, on the other hand, a being exists but not by its own essence, then it needs a cause, a reason outside itself for its existence. Because it does not explain itself, something else must explain it. Beings whose essence does not contain the reason for their existence, beings that need causes, are called contingent, or dependent, beings. A being whose essence is to exist is called a necessary being. The universe contains only contingent beings. God would be the only necessary being—if God existed. Does he? Does a necessary being exist? Here is the proof that it does. Dependent beings cannot cause themselves. They are dependent on their causes. If there is no independent being, then the whole chain of dependent beings is dependent on nothing and could not exist. But they do exist. Therefore there is an independent being.

    June 11, 2013 at 4:36 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      again, you're giving the lazy answer - "it happened by magic."

      btw, define "essence".

      June 11, 2013 at 4:38 pm |
    • NESTLE FOUNDATION OF OVALT INE

      Hmm. Nice try. We don't know enough to make such assumptions – certainly not enough to agree on such as some "proof". And that's way before we even try to assume some "God"-like qualities to such a creative force.

      June 11, 2013 at 4:43 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      In other words "I don't understand how evolution works, therefore god." Doesn't work like that...sorry.

      June 11, 2013 at 4:45 pm |
    • Pedro

      then how does it work?

      June 11, 2013 at 4:54 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      Ya, it existed long before Catholic ism was invented, holy tradition of hindu swamis, crook fortune tellers, inventors of Catholic ism.

      June 11, 2013 at 4:55 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Truth Prevails, some of us figured out evolution was a lie within the first few paragraphs of it's babble and rip off of absolutes such as childbirth, the power of the ocean to name a few. You keep on tweaking all the flaws for the flawed. We know they are lost.

      June 11, 2013 at 4:58 pm |
    • independent_sheitz

      Yeah but to imply that that independent sheitz has anything to do with one's religion and/or morality is, at best, a pile of dung!

      btw, with a few abnormalities, all Vatican folks touch themselves! All religions are man made sheitz! 🙂

      June 11, 2013 at 5:00 pm |
    • I Am God

      Heavensent you stopped reading after a few paragraphs because you never got an education to understand the concept of how Earth was formed.

      June 11, 2013 at 5:00 pm |
    • Austin

      Islaam, was Peter a hindu?

      June 11, 2013 at 5:02 pm |
    • Sunflower2

      WOW! Now my head hurts...

      June 11, 2013 at 5:06 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Pedro: They should have taught you basics but given that they didn't, this site will explain it in terms that anybody with an imaginary friend (you, HS, chard) can understand:
      http://science.drvinson.net/kids

      June 11, 2013 at 5:28 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I Am, what part of His truth do you not comprehend to continue your denial? Also, unbelief is a learned through conditioning. Your thoughts are not your own. You don't even question those that taught you to rebel.

      John 1

      1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
      2 The same was in the beginning with God.
      3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
      4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
      5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

      Amen.

      June 11, 2013 at 6:10 pm |
    • sam stone

      Interesting, HS, you claim evolution is a lie (how is that tailbone?), but will stand by your translated, edited iron age comic book

      June 12, 2013 at 6:50 am |
  14. Pedro

    Now the whole universe is a vast, interlocking chain of things that come into existence. Each of these things must therefore have a cause. My parents caused me, my grandparents caused them, et cetera. But it is not that simple. I would not be here without billions of causes, from the Big Bang through the cooling of the galaxies and the evolution of the protein molecule to the marriages of my ancestors. The universe is a vast and complex chain of causes. But does the universe as a whole have a cause? Is there a first cause, an uncaused cause, a transcendent cause of the whole chain of causes? If not, then there is an infinite regress of causes, with no first link in the great cosmic chain. If so, then there is an eternal, necessary, independent, self-explanatory being with nothing above it, before it, or supporting it. It would have to explain itself as well as everything else, for if it needed something else as its explanation, its reason, its cause, then it would not be the first and uncaused cause. Such a being would have to be God, of course. If we can prove there is such a first cause, we will have proved there is a God.

    June 11, 2013 at 4:32 pm |
    • sam stone

      how do you make the logical leap from a creator to a god?

      June 11, 2013 at 4:34 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      Do you know of a way to do that? Do you think such proof would also say something about god's nature, or no?

      June 11, 2013 at 4:35 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      terrible "logic". who created god? he always existed? why can't that same argument be used for the universe? or that time didn't exist before the big bang so there was no "before". your whole argument is that the universe was made by "magic". terrible hypothesis with zero evidence. in fact, how many times have people said something was "magic" only to have science give us real answers. just because we don't know how the universe "began" doesn't mean we should encourage people to stop trying to figure it out by saying "goddidit".

      June 11, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      if there MUST be a creator then who created God?

      If you say that God has always been, then why can't the universe have always been.

      There is NO argument for a creator.

      June 11, 2013 at 4:39 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Pedro

      Sam asks a good question. You started pulling a thread, but instead of following it all the way backwards, you decided to look at the thread and then proclaim it leads back to what you already believe.

      First, you are applying inside the universe thinking to something that didn't exist within the universe. What you are trying to say is that a person followed the rules of baseball before the game was even invented.

      Second, you jump to the conclusion that the first "cause" (a.k.a. whatever sparked the great expansion) must be sentient and must be a being with immense power.

      Third, you take an even bigger leap to say this "being" must be your specific god (I'm assuming the christian one) because according to the bible, your god is the only thing powerful enough to have been that cause.

      Fourth, after making all of these incredible leaps without the actual evidence to back it up, you most likely have committed a solid portion of your life to obeying this god.

      That's an awful lot riding on a lot of unfounded assumptions huh?

      June 11, 2013 at 4:42 pm |
    • Pedro

      If this isn't an argument for a Creator, my dyslexic friend, what would satisfy you and your mortal reasoning power? Think you/we are the most inteligent being there is?

      June 11, 2013 at 4:44 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      well said, chuckles.
      that's also why Pascal's Wager fails so miserably.

      June 11, 2013 at 4:44 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      pedro, you are making a giant leap. what would satisfy us? proof. hard evidence. something which you have none of for your god assertion.

      June 11, 2013 at 4:46 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Pedro

      Booty is right. What would be evidence of your specific god. Well, if he is as powerful as the bible says he is, there are a number of different things that fall inside his MO. If an entire river transformed into blood, maybe a burning and speaking bush, and entire sea splitting in half (pretty much anything from Exodus), maybe the complete destruction via fire and brimstone of an "evil" city,

      Hell, the "second coming" would be solid, sending down another incarnation of himself and doing some easy parlor tricks on camera (Changing water into wine, bottomless bread basket, etc...).

      If any of those things were to happen, I would be pretty convinced and probably agree with your original post that it was god that probably also began the universe. I would obviously still have questions how Genesis could have been so completely wrong on how creation works, but that would be a minor quiblle I guess.

      Trying to assume god into exist by using faulty logic will only get you a link to philosophy of logic for beginners website.

      June 11, 2013 at 4:54 pm |
    • What IF

      Pedro,
      "what would satisfy you and your mortal reasoning power? "

      A purportedly omniscient "God" would know *precisely* what proof is acceptable to each and every one of us individually.

      A purportedly omnipotent "God" would be able to provide it.

      A purportedly all-loving and all-just "God" would do so.

      June 11, 2013 at 6:26 pm |
  15. Doris

    It seems that amid the swirling rumors about the RCC, but also in consideration of current scientific theory on homosexuality (see last issue of Quarterly Review of Biology – 12/2012), as well as recent developments around the world regarding gay marriage and more acceptance (i.e., Mormons, Episcopals, many Lutherans, reduced stance by Church of England, etc.), that the RCC realizes that they, more than ever need to provide transparency on the issues dogging the church, but also are preparing to move more in a direction of acceptance of homosexuality. It would make sense that they don't want to say something now that they will regret in the very near future that would sound so diametrically opposite from what soon could be the most of the civilized "connected" world.

    “there are holy people. But there is also a stream of corruption.”
    How careful not to necessarily associate corruption with the alleged gay lobby

    “The 'gay lobby' is mentioned, and it is true, it is there,” Francis continued. “We need to see what we can do.”
    Very vague. I'm sure it's no accident.

    June 11, 2013 at 4:29 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Doris. your scientific theory is just another man made excuse,

      June 11, 2013 at 6:14 pm |
    • Nothing New

      Well you know, Doris, Gays had enjoyed the right of Christian marriage for centuries until the loonies came and interfered. https://anthropologist.livejournal.com/1314574.html So, these news are nothing truly new.

      June 12, 2013 at 10:29 am |
  16. reasonablebe

    wow! a breath of fresh air from a religious leader. a little truth and openess goes a long way.

    June 11, 2013 at 4:27 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      a little truth after a lot of lies...? they denied it forever.

      June 11, 2013 at 4:28 pm |
  17. HAHA

    The plot thickens at the vatican!

    June 11, 2013 at 4:23 pm |
  18. Austin

    John 15:26-27

    26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. 27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.

    June 11, 2013 at 4:23 pm |
    • Austin

      He is faithful to forgive.

      June 11, 2013 at 4:24 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      maybe we should forgive jesus for being a giant D-bag. he was either a liar or crazy. he told people (or let them believe) he was the son of a non-existent god. jesus was just another nutjob cult leader, like david koresh or any other.

      jesus believed in slavery, which shows he was just a product of his bronze/iron age times. you would think the all-loving son of god would know that slavery is the worst kind of evil man can inflict upon his fellow man. but he didn't. in fact, jesus said to beat slaves that disobey "with many stripes." disgusting.

      June 11, 2013 at 4:31 pm |
    • sam stone

      austin: he is a vindictive pr1ck, and you are a delusional toady

      June 11, 2013 at 4:35 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Austin: You're a special kind of nutzoid boy...might want to seek help before you don't have a brain cell left of your own control.

      June 11, 2013 at 4:49 pm |
    • Dan

      Santa 12:25

      You are a dope.

      June 11, 2013 at 5:02 pm |
    • David

      This is a start. Let's hope it keeps going.

      June 11, 2013 at 5:20 pm |
    • Needing Forgiveness

      And no doubt when the Advocate comes there will be many running up to His feet asking for forgiveness for the gross mistreatment of Gays and Lesbians throughout time and the using of inappropriate Scripture to justify their hate, prejudice, intolerance and discrimination. There will be the gnawing and gnashing of teeth at that time for the grave injustices done to these whom God has also created.

      June 12, 2013 at 10:43 am |
  19. get to know your religion

    get to know your religion

    Take a good look from a rational perspective:

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the_historical_existence_of_Jesus_Christ

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Failed_biblical_prophecies

    June 11, 2013 at 4:22 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Jesus was and is real.

      There are no failed prophecies in the bible. They are either fulfilled or yet to be. Prophecies that are yet to be are easy to identify, look for these key words, “in that day.”

      June 11, 2013 at 4:25 pm |
    • .

      hey penis worshipper, enough with your nonsense

      June 11, 2013 at 4:26 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      jesus said not all of his followers would die before he came back. they all died. which means:

      jesus is fail.

      June 11, 2013 at 4:27 pm |
    • Austin

      ohYA!

      He's on His way.

      June 11, 2013 at 4:27 pm |
    • "Dottie" is panicking! Fundies Gone Wild!

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0-04VDrCbM&w=640&h=360]

      June 11, 2013 at 4:32 pm |
    • boocat

      Robert Brown – google the Egyptian god " Horus" and get back to us.

      June 11, 2013 at 4:41 pm |
    • TRH

      The mad cow obsesses over the same video and the same post repeatedly

      June 11, 2013 at 5:16 pm |
  20. Bootyfunk

    guilt, fear and ignorance - the pillars of christianity and all religions.

    June 11, 2013 at 4:17 pm |
    • Joe A

      Wow, thanks for not being judgmental..........

      June 11, 2013 at 4:20 pm |
    • dl

      don't forget judgment, punishment and righteousness

      June 11, 2013 at 4:22 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      i am very judgmental of religion. religion teaches people to turn off their brains, to stop trying to find the real answers. all religions are cults. a cult is only a "cult" until it becomes accepted by society, then it becomes a religion. once a religion has no more cult members, it becomes a mythology.

      serious question:
      if one of your cousins came home and said he joined a lunar religion, recognizes the moon as the true god, says he has direct communication with the moon and that he's going to live a whole new life according to what the moon tells him. you might call his religion a "cult". would you be judgmental of his religion/cult? what if he told you the moon told him to kill non-virgin brides, g.ays, disobedient children and anyone working the weekend? would you think his cult dangerous?

      June 11, 2013 at 4:25 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Joe: Intolerance of intolerance is not a bad thing.

      June 11, 2013 at 4:51 pm |
    • AtheistsFools

      There's not too many tolerant atheists on this blog.

      June 11, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
    • AtheistsFools

      I am as tolerant as it gets.

      June 11, 2013 at 5:05 pm |
    • sam stone

      judgement is a bad joke played on those who believe it

      June 12, 2013 at 6:52 am |
    • Arthur Bryant

      Hey! That's not true! Get your facts straight! You forgot stupidity!

      June 12, 2013 at 7:11 pm |
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