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June 13th, 2013
02:15 PM ET

The pope said what? Six stunners from Francis

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) –Pope Francis has challenged his flock of 1 billion Catholics not to be “starched Christians” who chat about theology over tea.

He’s been taking his own advice.

Since his election in March, Francis has delivered sharp and unscripted remarks on everything from homosexuality to atheism to his unlikely election to the seat of St. Peter.

Anyone who bet the 76-year-old Jesuit from Argentina would become Supreme Pontiff likely won a lot of dough, Francis joked on Sunday.

We’re wagering this pope’s got a few more surprises up the sleeves of his white cassock.

Meanwhile, here are six eye-openers Francis has uttered thus far.

1) There’s a “gay lobby” inside the Vatican

Meeting with Catholic leaders from his native Latin America and the Caribbean on Sunday, the pope said that there’s a lot of holy people in the Curia, Catholicism’s Rome-based bureaucracy.

But there is also a “stream of corruption,” Francis said, including a “gay lobby.”

"We need to see what we can do," he added, somewhat cryptically.

Only the pope knows exactly what he means. The Vatican has clammed up, refusing to explain.

Catholic experts believe Francis was referring to a secret dossier presented to his predecessor Pope Benedict XVI that investigated a series of embarrassing leaks from Vatican insiders to Italian journalists.

The dossier referred to a Vatican network of sexually active gay clergy who might have been subject to blackmail, according to Italian reports.

2) All atheists go to heaven?

During a homily in Rome on May 22, Francis said that God redeems everyone – not just Christians, but atheists, as well.

“We must meet one another doing good,” the pope said. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there.”

So, was the pope saying that people can go to heaven, even if they don’t believe in God?

Probably not, say church experts.

Catholicism has long held that salvation is open to everyone – but with a really big caveat. If you know about the church and don’t become a member, the door to heaven is likely closed, a Catholic spokesman later clarified.

Many American atheists say they appreciated the olive branch from the pope, however unclear his remarks may have been.

3) “I didn’t want to be pope”

Meeting with Catholic students from Italy and Albania on June 7, Francis ditched his “boring” speech and instead took questions from the children.

A little redhead in a blue scarf elicited laughter by bluntly asking, “Francis, why did you want to become pope?”

“I didn’t,” Francis answered. In fact, “a person who wants to become pope doesn’t love himself. And God doesn’t bless him,” the pontiff said.

4) Sleepy prayers

In May, the pope shared intimate details about his spiritual life with a crowd of 200,000 people gathered in St. Peter’s Square.

Every day, Francis said, he prays at an altar before he goes to bed. On occasion, the sandman arrives before the end of his prayers, the pope said.

“Sometimes I doze off, the fatigue of the day makes you fall asleep, but God understands,” Francis said.

5) Christians should mind their own beeswax

In some of his sharpest comments as pope, Francis criticized Christian busybodies in May.

“We all chat in church,” the pope said. “As Christians we chat.

“It is as if we want to put each other down,” Francis continued. “Instead of growing, one makes the other feel small while I feel great. That will not do.”

Gossip, the pope said, is like honey. It tastes sweet at first, but large doses deliver stomach aches.

6) Throwing food away is stealing from the poor

The first Latin American pope has made fighting poverty a top priority of his papacy. Scarcely a speech or homily ends without a mention of the homeless and disabled.

On June 5, Francis lambasted a “culture of waste” in which consumerism trumps compassion, people become just another disposable object, and little care is given to those who need help.

“This culture of waste has made us insensitive even to the waste and disposal of food, which is even more despicable when all over the world many individuals and families are suffering from hunger and malnutrition. ” Francis said.

“We should all remember, however, that throwing food away is like stealing from the tables of the poor, the hungry.”

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Belief • Catholic Church • Christianity • Church • Pope Francis

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  1. My Dog is a jealous Dog

    I see that "My idea of an idiot" has changed names already. You will need to be a bit more creative if you want anyone to bite on your trolling.

    June 14, 2013 at 3:30 pm |
  2. Ellen in CA

    Beware of false prophets! We were warned that they would come out in force. That time has arrived. Anyone who is teaching things that are not found in the New Testament Gospels is a liar (false prophet). Jesus Christ came as our Savior (Messiah) to bring truth to a lost world. He taught what God wanted Him to teach–the Word of God. If the pope is teaching something not found in Christ's teachings, that would make the pope a false prophet. Please pay attention, and make up your own mind.

    June 14, 2013 at 3:20 pm |
    • bostontola

      Ellen,
      All prophets are false, what's your point?

      June 14, 2013 at 3:27 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      And there shall in that time be rumours of things going astray, and there will be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia-work base, that has an attachment — they will not be there.
      At this time a friend shall lose his friends's hammer and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before ...

      June 14, 2013 at 3:36 pm |
    • derp

      Awesome!!

      Christards arguing with each other over who is christier.

      You can't make this crap up.

      June 14, 2013 at 4:53 pm |
  3. Wayne

    We MUST feed the hungry and LOVE MORE. Interesting article. You have to have a relationship with God. Jesus said Good is not good enough. One must seek God and love him with all their hearts minds & souls. What did Jesus say about heaven.

    Romans 10:9 ESV / 98 helpful votes

    Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

    Matthew 7:21-27 ESV / 91 helpful votes

    “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. ...

    June 14, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
  4. 2sc1970

    @Wind-Bag, Badger-God and Typist of the Cosmos™

    I'm sorry that is not what i wanted to picture. Of course not, i have a very good friend who is an atheist and he's one the greatest person i've ever met. But i believe that we can both agree that there is a lot of atheists over here which their comments are not civilized in any ways.

    June 14, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
    • Wind-Bag, Badger-God and Typist of the Cosmos™

      @2sc1970
      Yes, there are always individual responses that will fall into one or more categories of perceived offensiveness, either intended or not.
      For example, me saying there are no gods is not as offensive to a religious person as pointing out the offensiveness contained within their particular religion – at that point they feel it to be a personal attack on their personal belief.
      Were I to point out the offensive and disgusting things in whatever religion you follow, and call it like I see it, you would be offended and take it as a personal attack, yet I would only be pointing out things about your religion, not you.
      So I sort of agree with you, but not much there. It is your point of view that is the problem, and how you perceive the comments of others that trips you up.

      June 14, 2013 at 4:14 pm |
    • 2sc1970

      Sorry but here is something we do not agree on. It has nothing to do with my point of perceptions. Calling a person with a nasty name has nothing to do with perception. Telling someone to go f...yourself is a direct thing and doesn't have two meaning behind it. But on the other hand, something as simple has a person will only post "i love God" then atheists will be up in arms. Surely that was not a dirty word directed to anyone. Nothing dirty or nasty or insulting was directed to anyone either. But the names calling and oriented to a specific person and directed to a person is unacceptable in today society, there is no evolution there. No excuses should be provide to cover up those atheists which are acting this way.

      June 14, 2013 at 4:55 pm |
    • Wind-Bag, Badger-God and Typist of the Cosmos™

      @2sc1970
      Alas, we have free speech rights that do not include anyone's right to not be offended.

      If you want your religious sentiments to be protected in legal terms, you should move to a theocracy where your religion rules the whole country and lays down every law.

      If you want people to ignore you, don't put something out there they cannot ignore, like posting "I love Jesus" on a public, anonymous comment board like this one.

      You put it out there and expect everyone to agree? That's not realistic.
      You put it out in public and do not want to allow any criticism or rejection in any way? That's not realistic either.

      Our words are not protected from scorn, nor are we guaranteed a forum for our words beyond going out in public.
      You want to be protected from insult and abuse as you perceive it – and that is the problem.

      –As you perceive it--how are we supposed to know what you will consider an acceptable response and how do we ensure that only what you accept is what you receive?
      Do you not see the ridiculousness of your objections?

      Are you really that clueless as to how the real world works in terms of our abilities to communicate?
      You want everyone to love each other? Well, I sort of agree with that sentiment, but I do not consider it beyond all reproach.

      There is no concept, idea, ideology, thought, comment, statement, or any type of communication, perceived or otherwise, that deserves any such unrealistic and impossible to implement protections that make no sense to begin with.

      You are trying to be nice, but you cannot require that everyone else be nice.
      In the same vein, you cannot legislate morality or values. It just doesn't work.

      You think you should be protected from all insult?
      You think every religion should be protected from all criticism whatsoever?
      No, we surely disagree on that. I am against every form of child abuse.
      Religion is the cause of more child abuse than any other ideology in the world.
      You can have no excuse for your religion that I cannot tear down as being insane.
      Why? Because religions are nothing but insanity with rules, brainwashing people into believing lies as truth.
      And brainwashing children, even done lovingly and compassion, is still child-abuse when it damages their brains in the ways that religions tend to do. You have grown up knowing nothing else. I do not hold it against you personally that you are brainwashed or insane or both....but there are times I enjoy heaping scorn and insults on religious people anyway, despite not really considering them responsible for their actions. It is a foible of mine. And this is one of my polite days.

      June 14, 2013 at 5:21 pm |
    • 2sc1970

      No, you see i knew that sooner or later you would show your real colors. No need to be arrogant here. You are trying to excuse other atheists that are insulting people and trying to put that on the same level as someone simply saying "i love God". Those are two different things and therefor cannot be ignored. Someone saying "i'm religious" will never be an insult aiming at a specific person. On the other hand telling someone "Go f...ed yourself" is a direct insulted aimed at that person. That's the problem with atheists, being too much self centered.

      When someone is directly insulting another person it means that person is not civilized, whether that person being an atheists or else. There is no special laws specially designed for atheists that permits them to do whatever please them. And there is no special law either for anyone else at all. An insult and an attack are still what it is, there's no other way around it.

      June 14, 2013 at 6:51 pm |
    • Wind-Bag, Badger-God and Typist of the Cosmos™

      @2sc1970
      I see you are ignoring the points I was making in favor of your own. That's fine. I do it myself quite often.
      Just complaining about other people being rude is not constructive nor does it show you to be tolerant of others, even if they are being more intolerant than you.

      An insult is an insult and an attack is an attack. Okay, I can sort of agree with that sort of tautological nonsense as far as it goes.
      But the fact remains that there will be times when someone is just trying to point something out that you feel should never be questioned or criticized and you will erroneously believe they are attacking and insulting you when they were just trying to start a conversation or something.
      And why do you do this?
      You do it because you think some things should never be talked about. Taboo. Holy. Whatever you want to call it.

      As to the intent of the people making the insults or attacks, you are assuming you know their intent, yet you don't really know and that's how you can appear to others like an overly-sensitive whiny sort of person.
      You are assuming that everything you think is an insult was meant that way. Maybe they were, but statistically there will be exceptions, wouldn't you agree?
      The same way with attacks. You perceive them to be attacks, but the push and pull of normal conversation could also be viewed as constant verbal attacking because the people involved were throwing words around in a verbally intense or emotionally violent way, yet again, there would be exceptions to this. Can you catch every exception? I doubt it.

      I am not making excuses for anyone. If you have a problem with a specific individual, I suggest dealing with it in that way.
      You want to be free to say whatever you want but don't want the same for anyone else? Hypocrisy is the word for that.
      You demand politeness, yet you are here deliberately promoting and proselytizing for your religion, something many of us consider a criminal activity.
      Who is in the wrong?
      Well, that would depend, wouldn't it, on the details and all that.
      You are little better than a criminal complaining he got caught in broad daylight trying to tell everyone it's midnight.
      Your complaints are very thinly based. The whole world operates using moral relativism.
      Considering that no one is getting insulted all that much in public, I'd say shut the hell up about getting insulted in this blog.
      You came here and continue to post knowing there are rude people ready to post rude things.
      You are the one with no excuse for what you are doing. But could you ever understand that fact? I don't know.

      June 14, 2013 at 8:07 pm |
    • 2sc1970

      @Wind-Bag, Badger-God and Typist of the Cosmos™

      Wait, first of all there is no hypocrisy in what i'm saying and i'm not an hypocrite. I surely do not promote any religion, you are twisting my words to fit your needs. All i was saying without using words that are a mile long, all i was saying is simple, if someone insult you, then you can turn around and insult that person if that suits you. But insults is definitely not a procedure that produce anything positive out of it. But that's up to you. What i am making reference to is the fact that an atheist seems to feel that he has the right to insult, name calling and dictate to anyone as he feels like to. Let's be honest here, if this is what an atheism world is all about, then it's not any better than any other cult or sect out there. Promoting atheism as the best thing in the world is an hypocrisy in itself then, don't you think?

      If an atheism world is a world is when atheists can insult, name calling others and attacking others is permitted, and you can't punch an atheist back in the face. Then you live in a dictatorship world. If an atheism world is a world where they force everyone not to say the word God, Jesus and Religion without getting attacked for it, then you are living in a dictatorship world. I'm not trying to force religion down your throat as this is you favorite saying. What i'm trying to say is i find very childish that the words God, Jesus, Religion are making atheists people reacting like they have rabies at the sound of those words.

      Those words don't physically touch you, those are just words that vibrates the air around you and nothing more. There is no need to insult, attack or else at anyone who pronounce these words. If someone hit you ,that's a different story, you have all the right to fight back. I find very immature and childish that the world is becoming so taboo about some words being said. Unless these words are for insulting or verbally abusing someone.

      We're not that far from when the Vatican was burning at the stake people because they've said that the planet was round. Nowadays you can almost get burned at the stakes if you say something wrong against atheists or h o m o s e x u a l s. That is becoming a very hypocritical world if you ask me.

      June 14, 2013 at 8:47 pm |
    • Wind-Bag

      @2sc1970
      I apologize for any appearance of twisting your words. It was not my intent. I think I was just sort of ignoring the details of what you were saying and bulldozing right over all that. Sorry.

      Freedom of speech is a strange thing. I have no doubt that were there something about free speech in the Bible, everyone would at least have some basic place to start an argument about it, but none of the big religions allow ANY free speech.
      So, in that sense, you are a mild hypocrite. That's okay, we see it all the time here and do it ourselves.
      Nobody is perfect where our language is concerned anyway.

      But I don't understand how you so easily ignore all of history, and everything around you, simply to complain about some atheists taking out their frustrations on the internet instead of firebombing your churches?
      Well, that sort of answers your question right there. We are not allowed to speak in religion-dominated areas.
      I do not speak about atheism around religious relatives. I do not vandalize or burn down churches.
      I have no forum besides the internet. You have millions of avenues where you can speak about religious things and get full support of everyone because of your religion. You are the ones oppressing us, not the other way around.
      Now I'm mad and p1ssed at you continuing to demand a double-standard in your favor when religious people already have all the fascist power in their hands already. Our president gives SERMONS from his godamned bully pulpit and you just keep whining that someone hurt your fucking FEELINGS?
      I'm done being patient with you. Go die in a fucking fire.

      June 15, 2013 at 12:13 am |
  5. derp

    "Since you seem to know what the pope's staff is made from"

    The Pope's staff is made up of a bunch of dress wearing, silly hat sporting, closeted ped ophi les.

    Oh wait, did you mean his popestick?

    June 14, 2013 at 2:59 pm |
  6. Colin

    If you took a simple coin and tossed it 100 times and had the Pope, Archbishop of Cantebury, Greek Orthodox Primates, Coptic Pope of Alexandria, Dalai Lama, Chief Rabbi of Isreal, and the chief Imans in all of Islam all pray, chant, bob and implore to God/Allah/Yahweh/Karma that it would come up heads every time and had a fifth grade math student use basic statistics to tell you heads would come up 50 times, what do you think the result would be?

    Is fifth grade math more powerful a predictor than the best religous minds on the planet?

    June 14, 2013 at 2:58 pm |
    • Alias

      To be fair, that could just porve that god doesn't feel obligated to play these kinds of games.

      June 14, 2013 at 3:07 pm |
    • Colin

      That's just it Alias, he seems unwilling to play any game, perform any miracle, resolve any theological debate or otherwsie give any indication of his existence. He reminds me a lot of the dragon in Carl sagan';s garage.....

      June 14, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
    • R.M. Goodswell

      Truly....If there was ever a time for God to step in and do something it would be when the true believers elect to pray over their sick child vs take the kid to a doctor. There would be no good reason for staying clear of that one.

      instead the true believers not only lose the kid(s) but wind up in prison....some plan the Almighty has.

      June 14, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
    • *

      Actually, it is more likely to not come up heads 50 times. But it sure as hell won't come up heads 100 times.

      June 14, 2013 at 4:20 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      I'm confident that the probability of 100 heads is greater than the probability that hell, heaven or any god exists.

      June 14, 2013 at 4:26 pm |
    • fred

      Ok, so I did exactly what you said and prayed about it. Unfortunately or fortunately they come up exactly 50 times. What are the odds of that ! If I figure it out I will let you know what it means

      June 14, 2013 at 9:00 pm |
  7. palintwit

    Sarah Palin has her head up her ass.

    June 14, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
    • My idea of an idiot

      Well, apparently, someone does.

      June 14, 2013 at 3:04 pm |
    • meifumado

      I would stick something else in there.

      June 14, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
    • derp

      MAH DIIIIIIIIICK!

      June 14, 2013 at 4:54 pm |
  8. Damiana

    I gotta admit, I like this guy more than a lot of the others, he seems more down to Earth and less pompous than many of the others....at least he admits that there are problems instead of trying to cover them up, and he admits he is not perfect, unlike the rest of them that tried so hard to maintain that Godliness, when I don't think that's what the pope was meant for...he was meant to be a leader for the people to God, but I never thought he was supposed to be above them....I know some say "Higher standard" for someone in his position, but I think he deserves more respect admitting he is human like the rest of us....

    June 14, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
    • 2sc1970

      Well said.

      June 14, 2013 at 2:50 pm |
    • Wind-Bag, Badger-God and Typist of the Cosmos™

      To continue in his post without totally removing all criminal conduct within his organization shows him to be just another con-artist trying to cover up more criminal conduct under his personal power to stop or reveal.
      Your lack of discernment is typical for such religious people as you seem to be. Brainwashing and other indoctrination explains all of this when added to our neurobiologic knowledge. You can't help saying such stupid things and I cannot help but protest against your stupid gullibility. Call me a wind-bag, but it was nicer than calling for forced de-programming or execution, wasn't it? 😀

      June 14, 2013 at 4:20 pm |
  9. Camus

    Wow, you two are just stupid.

    June 14, 2013 at 2:40 pm |
  10. Bill Deacon

    Since you seem to know what the pope's staff is made from, can you provide the link that tells us?

    June 14, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
  11. Hahahahahahahaha

    How many retards are holding cameras in the above picture? Answer.......All of them! Hahahahahahahha

    June 14, 2013 at 2:21 pm |
    • My idea of an idiot

      How many were typing in the above comment?

      June 14, 2013 at 2:33 pm |
    • Christine Falk

      I bet you are a blast at parties. Hey guys I have another one for you.. Knock knock... Anyone who relies on elementary school tactics to bash people who have beliefs and thoughts other than DID I GO THROUGH THAT TWELVE PACK OF COORS ALREADY SHUCKS is laughable at most!

      June 14, 2013 at 2:59 pm |
  12. 2sc1970

    I also wonder how many gay priests have molested so many children.

    June 14, 2013 at 2:21 pm |
  13. William Demuth

    I find the term gay lobby amusing,

    but in truth if one might identify a "gay" part of the structure of the church, it would be its foundation.

    June 14, 2013 at 2:18 pm |
  14. The Pope

    It's all a scam people. Go home, and read a book.

    Yes Bill Deacon, this really is the pope, and you know what I'm saying is true

    June 14, 2013 at 2:15 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      I'm reading one now. It's called "Othodoxy" by G.K. Chesterton. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on his rational support of Catholicism.

      June 14, 2013 at 2:29 pm |
    • JMEF

      Bill Deacon
      You are a coward that does not respond when confronted on your lies. You are a devout Catholic but are not even close to the teaching of Christ.

      June 14, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
    • Alias

      "Rational support of catholicism"
      It doesn't exist.

      June 14, 2013 at 2:41 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Alias, Here's one sentence which I suspect you will find difficult to refute, followed by a thought Chesterton had about you in 1934.

      There is no other case of one continuous intelligent instiitution that has been thinking about thinking for two thousand years. Its experience naturally covers nearly all experiences; and especially nearly all errors. The result is a map in which all the blind alleys and bad roads are clearly marked, all the ways that have been shown to be worthless by the best of all evidence: the evidence of those who have gone down them.

      Now what Chesteron said about you Alias is that people are always saying Catholics are against new ideas. Catholics will always have to refute this charge and the reason follows. Nine out of ten "new" ideas are really old ideas. The beauty of Catholicism is that it remembers all the old ideas which have already been shown not to work but which seem "new" after a generation or two.

      Remarkable how he knew about you isn't it?

      JMEF, I gave you acknowledgement several pages back. Quit being such a whiny child.

      June 14, 2013 at 3:17 pm |
    • Science

      where are your morals Bill ...............the winged angels Bill ?

      June 14, 2013 at 3:24 pm |
    • Alias

      As philosophy goes, that is a good arguement. However, the catholic church has not been thinking about genetice for 2000 years. It has only been thinking for 2000 years about things that have been here and known for 2000 years.
      Modern science has shown that the world could have come to be what it is without any gods at all.
      I see absolutely no reason to accept the christian god over any other, and that leads to not accepting any god.

      June 14, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
    • My Dog is a jealous Dog

      @Bill

      So the catholic church has been thinking about thinking for 2000 years – so what! It does not mean that they were thinking clearly or unbiased in their thought process, and without that you might as well be thinking about what shape that cloud reminds you of. That sentence (actually a paragraph) uses alot of words to say absolutely nothing of consequence.

      June 14, 2013 at 3:40 pm |
    • JMEF

      Bill Deacon
      No you did not you lying piece of crap. Why in one post can you say a catholic is catholic once confirmed than turn around and refute that when it suits you? Again the arrogance is astounding and if anyone whines on this blog it is you. The media is out to get us when they point out the crimes of the church but good news about the new pope is salivated upon by the likes of you, hypocrite.

      June 14, 2013 at 3:52 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      For Chesterton to be right, he, or somebody such as Billy D, would have to show that the RCC is an intelligent organization.

      June 14, 2013 at 3:56 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      I'm not sure what you're getting at Alias. Are you saying that the Catholic Church hasn't been thinking about genetics for 2000 years so therefore what they have been thinking about is invalid? I don't think science has even been thinking about genetics for that long have they?

      Dog, you seem to reflect a complete ignorance of the gargantuan amount of human knowledge created by and under the stewardship of Catholics. It's a common, if plebeian error.

      And lastly, hot air and JMEF.... on second thought, never mind.

      June 14, 2013 at 4:02 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Alias, I think as an example George L'Martre (sp?) might be useful He's the Jesuit (irony intended) who first proposed the big bang theory under which modern cosmologist operate. To imply that people were thinking about the big bang theory before L'Martre is just wrong. There are hundreds on hundreds of examples in the scientific world where scientist have stood on the shoulders of Catholic as well as non Catholic thinkers before them and made advancements. I can't quite get my head around what I think you are saying, which sounds like Catholicism only concerns itself with ancient questions. That is a profound error on your part.

      June 14, 2013 at 4:07 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      So, it looks like Billy D cannot show that the RCC is an intelligent organization. Not surprising!

      June 14, 2013 at 4:08 pm |
    • JMEF

      Bill Deacon
      Yes Bill, when backed into a corner run like the coward you are and have been shown to be day after day. Your BS maybe eaten up by your fellow Catholics, enjoy your delusion. I would say never mind, but it is worth showing what a pompous arrogant fraud you are, thanks for playing. Go back to page 5 and explain your hypocrisy, coward, running away every day just proves what you are.

      June 14, 2013 at 4:10 pm |
    • My Dog is a jealous Dog

      @Bill

      They also research "miracles" – so no, I don't give them much credit.

      If you think that the catholic church should take credit for all discoveries made while it controlled who got an education and who didn't – you are not thinking clearly. I would stake my life on the fact that at least 10% of all priests are actually atheist – and that was even a higher percentage in the past. At one time in history, the only way to get an education of any kind was through the church. And on top of that, the crusades were never about religion or even land – it was about "industrial espionage". Travelers to the mid-east came back with wonderful stories of clean water and public toilets and mathematical concepts they had never heard of – the pope found out and they just had to go steal these ideas. I have studied the history of science – and Mendelev may have studied genetics and laid out some of the rules of inheritance – but he understood nothing of the basis for genetics.

      The catholic church is the biggest thief in all of history – just look at the collection of art that it keeps locked anyway from those that should really own it – the rest of humanity. People complain about the church not paying taxes – for most of the past 2000 years all of the western world was paying taxes to the church – they still do, just now it is called "donations" instead of indulgences. They charged you for forgiveness!

      The catholic church didn't expand knowledge – it controlled it.

      June 14, 2013 at 4:19 pm |
    • My Dog is a jealous Dog

      @Bill

      You are constantly bringing up the fact that this priest or that priest discovered this or that. I put absolutely no credence in this, and here is why.

      Imagine that I am a free thinking individual with a compulsive need to understand some aspect of nature (it doesn't matter the topic). The year is 1013 and the only books belong to the catholic church. The only people have the means to even learn to read are the extremely wealthy (and even they sent their kids to the church for school because books were not available) and the clergy. What exactly are my options, Bill?

      Here is what happens – I join the church and become a monk or priest or whatever. I do the research that I am driven to do, and I pretend to be a good catholic. The church gets all the credit and all they really did was control the means of education.
      To assume that every catholic "scientist" was actually devout is ridiculous.

      I am 50 years old, and only recently has society been tolerant enough for me to come out as an atheist, even though I have known it since I was a child.

      June 14, 2013 at 4:31 pm |
    • My Dog is a jealous Dog

      @Bill

      Care to try and refute what I had to say?

      June 14, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
    • Alias

      @Bill Deacon
      You are saying that the christians have been down all roads.
      " The result is a map in which all the blind alleys and bad roads are clearly marked, all the ways that have been shown to be worthless by the best of all evidence: the evidence of those who have gone down them."
      I'm saying there are new roads to explore.
      The arguement you proposed suggests that the catholic church has been everywhere and done everything, therefore we should accept their 2000 years of wisdom.
      I'm suggesting they have not experienced everything.

      June 14, 2013 at 4:42 pm |
    • JMEF

      My Dog is...
      Good luck, Bill does not refute he runs away, but keep trying, even when caught in an outright lie, Bill attempts to take his pompous superior moral stance to not answer. Bill is catholic not Christian.

      June 14, 2013 at 4:44 pm |
  15. David

    They are so insecure about their God's lack of power they have to gilt just about everything in the Vatican, from the ceilings to the bathrooms. If everything wasn't covered in gold someone might not know how amazing their God is, even though it wasn't God that gilted that ceiling but the guilted poor parishioners.

    June 14, 2013 at 2:15 pm |
  16. William Demuth

    Atheists may have cheered, but not at the prospect of spending eternity surrounded by Fundies

    The cheering you heard was our enjoyment of the newest crack in the façade of the RCC.

    Having loathed them for half a century, I was always saddened by the idea that their decline would be so slow it would be barely perceptible in a single life span.

    Thankfully, I was quite wrong!! At the rate they are declining, their complete collapse seems QUITE possible in the near foreseeable future.

    Lets keep suing them, and shining light on the little roaches, and they will continue to self destruct.

    June 14, 2013 at 2:15 pm |
    • Colin

      The penetrating light of reason and logic is indeed flushing out the co.ckroaches in the USA, Western Eaurope, Australia-NZ and other developed parts of the World. Problem is, the RCC is migrating, like tobacco companies, to the vulnerable Third World.

      June 14, 2013 at 2:19 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Primitive faith for primitive people??

      Worry not, the camel jockeys will put them in death camps.

      June 14, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      You must have missed the crusades William. Or to put it more bluntly, the Mid-East is not a problem. The Mid-East is a solution.

      June 14, 2013 at 2:30 pm |
    • Camus

      "their complete collapse seems QUITE possible in the near foreseeable future."

      That kind of faith is almost religious. And you make fun of those that believe in the Second Coming. You are no better with your hope.

      June 14, 2013 at 2:42 pm |
    • Colin

      Education and religious belief is clearly an inverse equation. I wounder if they multiply out to a constant.

      June 14, 2013 at 2:45 pm |
    • Who's your daddy now?

      @William Demuth,

      Catholics will rise and fall percentage wise within the RCC and all her children religions' flocks.

      June 14, 2013 at 2:58 pm |
    • Wind-Bag, Badger-God and Typist of the Cosmos™

      @Colin
      Since individual development is neither constant nor guaranteed, yours would only be of dry academic interest, I assure you.

      June 14, 2013 at 3:00 pm |
  17. Hahahahahahahaha

    Well there's a lot of gay priests/insiders in the vatican. So............maybe there IS a gay lobby. My only concern is......will straight people be allowed to sit with the gays in the gay lobby? Hahahahahahahaha

    June 14, 2013 at 2:12 pm |
    • Akira

      Separate but equal?

      There's gays everywhere. There's heteros everywhere. I don't see why the two can't co-exist peacefully.

      Sit where you please; it's General Admission seating.

      June 14, 2013 at 2:16 pm |
  18. Reality

    This will be the last papacy as it disintegrates into oblivion with all the other religion-based cons. And why is that? See p. 3 for the answer.

    June 14, 2013 at 2:11 pm |
    • 2sc1970

      Maybe you're right, but one thing we can both agree on is, atheism is not going to bring this world on a better road. At least not from what i see that is from atheists comments. Name calling, avoiding to answer properly, using other people names to post nasty comments and the list can go on and on.

      June 14, 2013 at 2:37 pm |
    • sam

      2sc1970, a message board is not a good representation of any group. I have yet to see you post anything that shows you have a grasp on rudimentary logic, so I'm not surprised you're still here spouting nonsense like this.

      Quit while you're behind.

      June 14, 2013 at 2:53 pm |
    • 2sc1970

      A comment board represent pretty much a person personality. I'm sorry but you are trying to cover yourself up. I can't see why people who are insulting others differ from who they really are when they are not on the internet. Unless they ree under some kind of alcohol or drug influence.

      June 14, 2013 at 2:58 pm |
    • Wind-Bag, Badger-God and Typist of the Cosmos™

      @2sc1970
      You have something of a point there, but you are not evaluating each atheist as an individual but are attempting to label them all as a monolithic group, yet all atheists share amongst them is a lack of any belief in any deities.
      Contrast this with religious people who share a common narrative based upon common understandings of a common religious text.
      As a religious person, you argue on behalf of your shared beliefs with others.
      As an atheist, I only argue on my own behalf and have my own individual beliefs to explain and argue about.
      You can attack all atheists using words, but only insofar as our shared lack of belief in any gods...any further and your arguments will break down because atheism is not a group-oriented or delineated structured belief – it is a lack of one.
      This, then, is your error.
      Should you speak against secular vs religious, that is a different thing, or humanist vs religious (since so many religions are racist they are opposed to general humanistic values and morals), and so on.

      As to being rude, well, I've been pretty rude at times, and have had rudeness shoved my way by everyone on both sides, but I don't attribute it to any belief structure but rather the individual's emotional and psychological makeup.
      I recommend it as a logical response to rudeness, really. We are individuals. We are not following some rulebook here, not even the religious posters here are following any particular rulebook completely, so there will always be individualized reaction sets for your data-collection enjoyment.

      June 14, 2013 at 3:11 pm |
    • 2sc1970

      Wind-Bag, Badger-God and Typist of the Cosmos™

      Sorry, my reply to you went on top of the page instead of being here.

      June 14, 2013 at 3:17 pm |
    • Christine Falk

      Highly unlikely my friend. Faith and belief in a higher power you label a con,for many it is a choice a decision to believe in something greater than ourselves. Call it a con, a scam, compare it to Santa. What if you are wrong? When you experienced the birth of your child, a close call while driving, woke up the most beautiful sunset that took your breath away, do these cause you to question what or who is behind it all? God gives us free will. He is not pointing his wand at us and saying "John Smith take that you will get a $200 speeding ticket today" Bad things and wonderful things happen. That is part of the human experience. It is not mean to be perfect. It is meant to be a jounrney that leads us to an eternal relationship with him.

      June 14, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
    • Joey

      The whole free will thing with an all knowing god, who has a plan for everyone just doesn't make sense to me. If god has a plan for everyone and can't be wrong then humans don't have free will, but instead have the illusion of free will.

      June 14, 2013 at 3:44 pm |
    • sam

      2sc1970 – you're another malcontent shit-stirrer that keeps describing himself in the way he complains about others. You're not even remotely ingenious about it, either. At this point you're just embarrassing yourself.

      June 14, 2013 at 3:47 pm |
    • 2sc1970

      @sam

      I never thought of putting all atheists in the same bag, but with comments like yours and from others like you, i'm really wondering if for some reasons there is more atheists like you than i previously thought.

      June 14, 2013 at 4:29 pm |
  19. Science

    Hey bible thumpers...............think of The King James version as Humpty Dumpy Sat on the Wall another classic fairytale from England....................

    June 12, 2013 — To World War II soldiers, "The White Cliffs of Dover" was a morale-boosting song that lifted spirits in dark times. To geographers,

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130612133050.htm

    June 14, 2013 at 1:56 pm |
  20. agent66

    Re: the caption stating "atheists cheered" when PF said they'd go to heaven? No, no.... that's like saying we got excited because we found out we were on Santa's 'nice' list. Obviously I can't speak for all, but as an atheist that's completely secure and comfortable with the fact that I won't go to heaven, I'm offended that CNN's caption writers assume atheists are just waiting around for acceptance into a crowd that ostracizes them and jumping at the chance of getting to go to fairytale land. Saying that atheists cheered at their possible acceptance into heaven flies in the face of everything that atheism stands for.

    Please don't come at me with "YER OPINION GET OUT" because I said "I'm offended" by something. Just my two cents, I know everyone likes to freak out here.

    June 14, 2013 at 1:49 pm |
    • Jason

      I didn't read into that way. Obviously anybody who is not Catholic really doesn't care what the Pope has to say, but the implication is one of greater acceptance. As the leader of a massive religious group, any liberal move made by him is a good thing for everyone on the planet.

      June 14, 2013 at 1:55 pm |
    • David

      If there was a crowd of people listening to the Pope speak and some cheered at his comments on atheists I doubt very highly any of them were actually atheists but Christians who were existed about their atheist friends having a chance at something they are eagerly awaiting themselves. As an atheist myself I know I did not cheer when I read of this, I did however think how silly it all was that anyone at all was getting excited about it. It's like the NRA announcing that any of the parents of the children shot in Newtown can call them up and the NRA will send them a free membership along with an AR-15 and a 100 round clip and all the NRA members start cheering at the parents good fortune.

      June 14, 2013 at 2:02 pm |
    • David

      existed = excited...

      June 14, 2013 at 2:03 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      I was one of the happy atheists when he said that, but not because that meant I could start packing for my trip to the Christian theme park in the sky, rather that it was refreshing that the leader of the Catholic church was, for once, something other than the normal hard-line cleric that usually ends up in that position.

      As a member of a long-persecuted and hated minority, it was refreshing that he wasn't propagating the continued persecution of non-believers.

      June 14, 2013 at 2:08 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      NJ, the pope hasn't said anything new. His genius was that he said it in a way you could finally hear it.

      June 14, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
    • Science

      If he is a you know Bill you would think he would fess up and tell the truth about that thing in the sky aye Billy ?

      June 14, 2013 at 2:50 pm |
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