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June 26th, 2013
11:53 AM ET

`Jesus wept' or tears of joy? Faithful react to gay marriage rulings

By Daniel Burke, CNN

(CNN) As news broke of the big Supreme Court rulings on gay marriage, religious leaders took to Twitter to express joyous praise or strong condemnation.

http://storify.com/danielsburke/religious-reaction-to-scotus-decisions

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Belief • Church • Culture wars • Gay marriage • Gay rights • Homosexuality • Politics

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  1. lol??

    Great is Diana of the kweer nations!

    June 27, 2013 at 10:40 am |
  2. Bill Deacon

    From the book “SOCIALISM: THE NATION OF FATHERLESS CHILDREN” (circa 1911)

    Civilian: Is the rich man's family unlike the working class family?
    Socialist: No! The capitalist mode of production fashions all instiitutions by its own inexorable force.
    Civilian : Then the family is doomed under socialism?
    Socialist : Yes, upon the overthrow of private property the family will vanish.
    Civilian: Will socialism abolish the family?
    Socialist: Oh, no! It won't be necessary, it will of itself give place to free unions.
    Civilian: You say that all instiitutions develop in conformity with the prevailing mode of industry?
    Socialist: Yes, under the law of economic determinism.
    Civilian : Then marriage is not sacred?
    Socialist : No, it is not. It was introduced by the exploiting class for the protection of private property.
    Civilian: What, then, constiitutes a socialist marriage?
    Socialist: Why, love, of course. Love is the only basis upon which may be built a permanent and enduring marriage.
    Civilian: Permanent! If the natural affection ceases the marriage ceases, its basis being gone?
    Socialist : Precisely.
    Civilian : And the parties are then free to find other mates at their own pleasure and convenience?
    Socialist: Oh yes! of course! Socialism desires freedom from exploitation in all things. A free family, a free society, together with economic freedom.
    Civilian: But is not religious marriage free-love?
    Socialist : The point is ... eh, the point is your stupidity. . . . For you see there would be no marriage in the present sense, in the bourgeois sense. It would be swept away along with all other capitalist instiitutions.
    Civilian : Yes, but the point which I see as the grounds of marriage goes back to the origin of the family. The origin of the family cannot be mere seex fondness which you affirm as its basis; nor can the family have been created as the mere prop to private property. It is self-evident that the family is the necessary unit in sustaining the human race. As the
    monogamic family is the lowest terms to which the race can be reduced, we must conclude that it is the one pure form of the
    many possible seex relationships. Therefore the very fact that seex immorality of all sorts has been extant through all the ages, but brings out the pure form of the family more distinctly, as an ideal, as a scientific design and as a practical historical fact.
    Socialist: Er, er but, you know one's body is his own, he may do with it as he pleases.
    Civilian: Personal happiness is the right standard for human conduct, is that the socialist morality?
    Socialist: Yes, you are right, there is no fixed basis for the so-called moral law.
    Civilian: I see, then, that the issue of the family is just this, to put the matter with brutal frankness, that the race may breed like rabbits if it so pleases, or it must maintain marriage as a sacrament to please God.
    Socialist: As there is no God to please, one is foolish not to please himself.
    Civilian: So, your philosophy rules out of question Almighty God and His will as our law?
    Socialist: Certainly! That belief is but the ignorant superstiition of the dark ages brought over into modern times. When the future society shall have perfected itself, the “collective will” shall inform the individual what the moral law is. Until then we socialists will do the best we can to propagate the socialist doctrine. Once we get hold of the political power we will abolish both ecclesiastical and civil marriage. Then we could conform to the truth and beauty of socialist ethics such as no man can command in his ordinary life. Do you see the point ?
    Civilian : Indeed I do ; I see the deformity and the blasphemy of it clearly, as the work of the devil.

    June 27, 2013 at 10:40 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      The concept of family does NOT come from religion!

      But anyways, you've made the ghost of Joe McCarthy smile, I'm sure.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:42 am |
    • Russell

      You really don't have anything to offer here, do you Bill?

      June 27, 2013 at 10:44 am |
    • Tony Bass

      Bill Deacon has always had something to offer. Ever since he was an altar boy. Bend over little Billie. Your priest is coming.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:49 am |
    • JMEF

      Bill Deacon
      Just because your unethical church makes something sacred for its followers does not make it sacred for everyone. Getting married by a justice of the peace rather than some religious figure is just as sacred/legal. When are you going to get over your self, your highness?

      June 27, 2013 at 10:52 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      I've been reading political and social writers from the last century lately. Chesterton, Dawson, Belloc, Shaw. They certainly seem to have something to offer. It's interesting to me that the forces they contended with some 100 years ago are present today and making inroads into our culture under the guise of progress.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:52 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      I believe Bill thinks his cut-and-paste is meaningful in 2013 in some way...

      June 27, 2013 at 10:54 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      It's curious to me how your hatred for my religion blinds you to the fact that it is that very religion which shaped the philosophy under which your present privileges exist, while your stated goal of destroying that bastion of western civilization puts your very property and liberty in jeopardy. I chalk it up as the triumph of a liberal education.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:56 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Well Lucifer you discard 2000 year old wisdom why would you accept 100 year old. Tell me, what period of human thought holds any value for you? The future "collective will"?

      June 27, 2013 at 10:58 am |
    • Wendy

      Think how much better our world would be if it hadn't been "shaped" by Christians beating up on scientists, and pushing Christian dogma on the world, and if all the murdering and torturing done by Christians during the inquisitions hadn't been done.

      Study, Bill Deacon, , and definitely read outside the bible, but don't forget to think critically.

      June 27, 2013 at 11:02 am |
    • JMEF

      Poor Bill, living in the 21st century, pining for the days of centuries ago. Mumbling over your beads, living by the obedience to the Catechism and scriptures and not being able to see the ugly side or perhaps condoning the sins of the Vatican/RCC.

      June 27, 2013 at 11:02 am |
    • The real Tom

      Dill, did you ever find any evidence that gay marriage has had ANY negative impact in states and nations where it's legal? If so, I must have missed that post. Can you copy/paste that? Thanks in advance, dear.

      June 27, 2013 at 11:03 am |
    • cedar rapids

      Well interesting posting from a book, but complete nonsense of course. It was written by someone who seemed to have an idea as to what they think socialism stands for but didnt actually speak to a socialist. For example:

      'Civilian : Then the family is doomed under socialism?
      Socialist : Yes, upon the overthrow of private property the family will vanish.
      Civilian: Will socialism abolish the family?
      Socialist: Oh, no! It won't be necessary, it will of itself give place to free unions.'

      That entire exchange is nonsense.

      June 27, 2013 at 11:05 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      I don't particularily 'hate' you our your religion Bill. I defended the constition and your liberty for 24yrs as a soldier (still do). However, I just think it's all superstitious nonsense that has a ironically curious habit of infringing on my liberties...

      June 27, 2013 at 11:12 am |
    • LinCA

      @Bill Deacon

      You said, "It's curious to me how your hatred for my religion blinds you to the fact that it is that very religion which shaped the philosophy under which your present privileges exist"
      The driving force behind the shaping of the philosophy wasn't the benefit of your religion, but the harm from it. We are where we are today because religion was the cause of so much suffering.

      You are free to remain blissfully ignorant and cling to your belief in your imaginary friend. You remain free to worship as you see fit. You don't get to tell anyone else what to do, or not to do, simply based on your delusion.

      June 27, 2013 at 11:21 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      To answer your question "what period of human thought holds any value for you?" Bushidō

      June 27, 2013 at 11:24 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Sorry tom, didn't realize you had given me a task to find that information. I would answer in this fashion: I think the above dialogue shows the empirical thinking, rooted in socialism, that the elimination of private property will result in the redefinition of marriage away from the bourgeois concept of a sacrament ordained by God to a "free-love" construct. It's the same argument gaay marriage supporters make, they just distance themselves from the property aspect of it. So, my argument is not based on anecdotal evidence of success or failure of the creation of a new type of marriage. Secondly, whenever there is a seismic shift in culture it can take a long time for the ripples to turn into waves. I think you are a little early asking for statistical evidence and if you are as smart as you claim you are, you already know that.

      cedar, you seem to be willing to ignore or discount the rising tide of divorce and the economic impact of that across the last generation.

      June 27, 2013 at 11:27 am |
    • The real Tom

      Aww, Dill, that's cute. But I didn't ask you to predict the future. Gay marriage has been legal in a number of countries and a number of states for a while now. If it's so dreadfully harmful, why can't you cite any negative consequences that have occurred as a result of it?

      June 27, 2013 at 11:30 am |
    • JMEF

      Bill Deacon
      A sacrament declared by god, I call BS there Billy. Another scam by the church to keep the cash flow coming in and getting the partners obligated to bring the off spring in for the required brainwashing, get them while they are young. Best way to help the scam grow.

      June 27, 2013 at 11:36 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Lucifer, my comment regarding hatred of religion was not aimed at you. As i think you can see, there are plenty of people who will claim justification for that hatred. If you ascribe to the tenets of Bushido, I think you have to admit we share some values. Filial piety, honor, devotion to ancestors and parents, upholding traditions, care for the weak and individual dignity. These are common ground between the samurai and the penitent.

      June 27, 2013 at 11:40 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      LIN and Wendy seem to want to make the argument that religion has been, on balance, destructive to humankind. I think that's outside of this threads scope but I'm pretty sure honest sociologists would find that not to be the case. In any case, my argument here isn't whether the church is valid or not. It's whether we are smart to deconstruct the traditional role of marriage as a protection for property. Tom wants instant results which I think are too early to show on gay marriage but I think the stats are in on divorce and they aren't good. I've yet to see anyone show how gay marriage is equivalent to the basic family unit of man/woman/child that society is built on. By which I mean, yes JMEF, money, wealth, property. JMEF reduces it to the cash flow of the church, which is simplistic. The truth of it is that marriage is about the preservation of property and the rights of heirs. The Church is adamant about the natural rights of property. So, when "marriage redefiners" call for the destruction of the church due to its opposition to their agenda, they are cutting their nose off to spite their face. The elimination of the Church leads to the elimination of marriage which leads to state control of property which leads to the end of freedom.

      June 27, 2013 at 11:50 am |
    • cedar rapids

      'cedar, you seem to be willing to ignore or discount the rising tide of divorce and the economic impact of that across the last generation.'

      so you want to blame divorce on socialism? thats a little bizarre. I mean that good old socialist Newt that is currently on his 3rd wife?
      And since when does divorce equal wanting to get rid of the family and saying families will no longer exist? come on now, lets actually stick with reality here.

      June 27, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
    • Filthy Hind I love to Mithrism lick and talk Islam bunk

      Billy Boy,
      You seem to be ignorant of all the real permutations of legal arrangements that marriage went through in the Bible, and in the West. It was not even a sacrament until the Council of Trent cooked up the 7th "sacrament".

      June 27, 2013 at 12:14 pm |
    • JMEF

      Bill Deacon
      The Church is adamant about the natural rights of property, in particular when it comes to the wealth and property of the church. Is that not why the unnatural practice of celibacy for the priests was adopted, right Billy? Protection of the wealth and power of the church has always been the prime purpose of Catholic doctrine. Still goes on today.

      June 27, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
    • Bible Clown©

      Pretty silly stuff, and typical of the turn-of-the -century moralistic writers. Some rich fellow wrote that with a quill dipped in ink, no doubt, as he gazed out across the acres and acres of his family estate and smiled upon his ragged gardeners and grooms, and when he was finished, he had the servants saddle his horse so he could ride across his land. Strange to see a work like that being read so uncritically in a more enightened age.

      June 27, 2013 at 1:56 pm |
    • The real Tom

      "Pretty silly stuff" is right. Dill Doe claims it's "too early" to tell if gay marriage will be detrimental to society and then turns around and wants somebody to "prove" that it's as good as traditional marriage. What an ass.

      June 27, 2013 at 2:00 pm |
    • The real Tom

      "The truth of it is that marriage is about the preservation of property and the rights of heirs.'

      Which isn't going to change just because gay marriage is legal.

      "The Church is adamant about the natural rights of property. So, when "marriage redefiners" call for the destruction of the church due to its opposition to their agenda, they are cutting their nose off to spite their face. The elimination of the Church leads to the elimination of marriage which leads to state control of property which leads to the end of freedom."

      Nonsense. There is no need for the church in a marriage. It is a legal matter and religion only plays a part in it if those who are marrying choose to allow it.

      Really, Dill. You are daft.

      June 27, 2013 at 2:04 pm |
  3. Scented Quilts of The Emerald Isle

    Dearest CNN, you forgot to include a screenshot of these tweets:

    Jesus does in fact respond when called upon!

    June 27, 2013 at 10:39 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      Useless... kind of like your belief in Jesus actually answering your pathetic pleas...

      June 27, 2013 at 10:56 am |
  4. JT

    We will see if they will be dancing and celebrating when they are LEFT BEHIND.....Peace

    June 27, 2013 at 10:37 am |
    • Gary

      JT, Pascal's Wager. Odin's gonna whup your ass.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:39 am |
    • Roger that

      Speaking of left behind, you left your brain in the 20th century.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:48 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      Typical christard... Offers an empty threat... and then signs of with a hypocritical "Peace" LOL

      June 27, 2013 at 10:48 am |
    • cedar rapids

      oh dont worry JT, about 99% of those that call themselves christians will still be here after such an event, yourself included I would think.

      June 27, 2013 at 11:07 am |
  5. lol??

    Rosie da riveter shook her bwains loose to the delight of Hugh Huffffnur. Com'er little bunnies.

    June 27, 2013 at 10:36 am |
    • oOo

      You know someone has stopped learning when, after repeating themselves ad nauseum, they resort to modifying their own language to try to convince people of their absurd notions.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:47 am |
  6. lol??

    Killer mommies RULE!!

    June 27, 2013 at 10:32 am |
    • Russell

      Only if they kill their disrespectful children.
      The bible commands that.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:41 am |
    • Science

      lol??......................let me but it in real SIMPLE terms NO gate keeper of the PEARLY GATES !

      June 27, 2013 at 10:42 am |
  7. Doc Vestibule

    It wasn't until 1967 that interracial marriage marriage with legalized at the federal level.
    By 1986, 33% of Americans supported it. By 1994, that number creeped up to slightly over half the population. In 2011, 86% of US citizens supported marriage between different races.

    In the mid 20th century, as now, it was religious people who were most vociferous regarding anti-miscagenation laws, most notably Mormons and Baptists.
    The rhetoric then is virtually identical to the nonsense being spouted today, just different Bible quotes.
    Those against gay marriage spout scripture from Romans and Corinthians to rationalize their bigotry.
    Racists quoted Numbers and Malachi. Example:
    "This is what the LORD commands for Zelophehad's daughters: They may marry anyone they please as long as they marry within the tribal clan of their father.
    No inheritance in Israel is to pass from tribe to tribe, for every Israelite shall keep the tribal land inherited from his forefathers.
    Every daughter who inherits land in any Israelite tribe must marry someone in her father's tribal clan, so that every Israelite will possess the inheritance of his fathers.
    No inheritance may pass from tribe to tribe, for each Israelite tribe is to keep the land it inherits."
    [Numbers 36:6]

    It astounds me that ho/mophobic Christians don't see the paralells!
    But rest assured, your grandchildren will view your opposition to marriage equality with the same sense of shame that the memory of segregation elicits.

    June 27, 2013 at 10:23 am |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      Agreed. Bad arguments then, same bad arguments now.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:37 am |
  8. TRUTH KEEPER

    Truth is Truth , God is God, Sin is Sin, Hell is Hell, Heaven is Heaven, Earth is Earth, God's Law is God's Law...mortal human beings can't change that like gravity is gravity and if you will believe it doesn't exist and walk off 5 story building you are still bound to be hurt/killed.

    June 27, 2013 at 10:20 am |
    • UncleM

      Gravity is real, evolution is a fact, and gods are man's creation.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:22 am |
    • Thoth

      .....and conjecture is conjecture.

      btw, gravity is observable, measurable, and repeatable.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:24 am |
    • Filthy Hind I love to Mithrism lick and talk Islam bunk

      And an an'al retentive infant is still an an'al retentive infant, and just because you need the word all wrapped up in a neat little ignorant box with a red bow does not mean the rest of the world does.
      The fact is the laws in the OT were culturally relative, TAKEN FROM THE CULTURE, not given TO the culture (by the Bible), and there is no reason why modern human culture should and cannot advance.
      Grow up, (an go get an enema).

      June 27, 2013 at 10:24 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Only the Theory of Intelligent Falling explains why Jesus makes things fall.
      Gravity is just a theory – and a theory in crisis at that.

      (end sarcasm)

      June 27, 2013 at 10:27 am |
    • lol??

      Kooks are..........."...........observable, measurable, and repeatable........."

      June 27, 2013 at 10:27 am |
    • Gregg

      Truth, believe what you choose to believe, but the Government has no business in the Marriage game at all. Get them out of it, remove all "breaks and benefits" of married couples (hetero or gay) and this whole argument goes away.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:28 am |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      I beg your pardon, Doc, the FSM pushes us down with his noodly appendages. That is the explanation for gravity.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:29 am |
    • Science

      Hey TRUTH KEEPER or splat goes chad ?

      June 27, 2013 at 10:33 am |
    • sam stone

      god, heaven, hell and sin are all man made concepts.

      choke on it

      June 27, 2013 at 10:36 am |
    • Science

      Hey TRUTH KEEPER.....................think outside the box !!!

      Humble pope has complicated past – CNN Belief Blog – CNN.com …

      religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/15/humble-pope-has-complicated-past/...

      Mar 15, 2013 · Chad gravity does win as in splat goes a fairy ! Peace. Curtains Down for the Black Hole Firewall Paradox: Making Gravity Safe for Einstein Again.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:39 am |
    • mas enots

      Sam just said he wants to choke on you Science.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:42 am |
    • Science

      mas enots/..................faithy..............maybe too

      Real SIMPLE there is NO gate keeper of the PEARLY GATES !

      so you know splat goes whoever L$H too !

      June 27, 2013 at 11:02 am |
  9. Kati

    To repeat a popular post: I love the Lord; it's his fan club that is the problem.

    June 27, 2013 at 10:04 am |
    • dwight

      IT is obvious that many more people love themselves and want to do things the way they want to no matter what God says. "If you love me you will keep my commandments.", Jesus.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:20 am |
    • sam stone

      dwight: god said nothing. man said all those things

      June 27, 2013 at 10:38 am |
    • mas enots

      Dwight,
      Sam said nothing.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:46 am |
    • Doobs

      What's wrong with loving yourself? Didn't Jeebus say that the two greatest commandments are to love god and to love your neighbor as yourself?

      June 27, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
  10. Stan

    It's last days stuff, Bro... don't fret... they will NOT be able to say "we didn't know better..." God's NOT mocked..He is totally capable of fighting His own battles, and boy-oh-boy, are there going to be a day of reckoning? (Jude v14-18)

    June 27, 2013 at 10:04 am |
    • JRNY

      @ stan...are you asking a question? It looks like it, so here's your answer. No.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:06 am |
    • sam stone

      "God's NOT mocked"

      God is a myth propped up by delusional, vindictive pr1cks.

      "boy-oh-boy, are there going to be a day of reckoning? (Jude v14-18)"

      no day of reckoning, no judgement, no heaven, no hell, just judgemental little skid marks such as yourself

      June 27, 2013 at 10:08 am |
    • Rory

      Wishful thinking along the lines of "I hate you all! Wait until my Dad hears about this! Then you'll be sorry!!"

      What a bunch of wussie losers!

      June 27, 2013 at 10:09 am |
    • Observer

      Stan,

      God's vision of marriage is so warped that he commands that it be FORCED on people.

      Spend any time reading a Bible?

      June 27, 2013 at 10:11 am |
    • Stan

      @JRNY...I say yes, their's gonna be a day of reckoning, but people are given time to repent from their ungodly ways.

      Mal 4:1 KJV For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

      Act 17:30-32 KJV And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: (31) Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. (32) And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:13 am |
    • Davis

      Oh, there will be a reckoning. Make no mistake about that. Stick your back in the sand and say no all you want.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:14 am |
    • The real Tom

      "Just wait until your dad gets home!"

      June 27, 2013 at 10:16 am |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care

      Stan,

      Since there is NO reliable evidence to support the claim that your god exists why should we believe anything that you say about the dogma associated with your religion?

      June 27, 2013 at 10:19 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      An impotent god is a useless god... have fun waiting for those "End Times" LOL

      June 27, 2013 at 10:19 am |
    • dwight

      I'm not sure "HoneyBadger" exist. The only proof is this blog.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:25 am |
    • Filthy Hind I love to Mithrism lick and talk Islam bunk

      Yeah Sam, they"ve been making that litte toothless threat for a few thousand years now. No one is holding their breath.
      Go try to scare the little kids somewhere else. Bully.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:26 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Stan

      “Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.”
      —1 John 2:18

      Christians have been waiting on tenterhooks for the Second Coming since the Bible itself was written.
      Many have prophesied the exact time of date of His return and ALL have been wrong.
      George Rapp said it would be September 15th, 1829.
      William Miller predicted October 22, 1844. Jesus’ failure to arrive is known as “The Great Disappointment”. Many of his disillusioned followers went on the found the 7th Day Adventist Church, who are still patiently awaiting His return.
      Charles Russell, 1st President of the Watchtower Society told his fellow Jehovah’s Witnesses that Jesus would be back in 1874.
      Rudolf Steiner maintained that from 1930 onwards, Jesus would grant certain people psychic powers to enable them to witness his presence in the “etheric plane”.
      Herbert Armstrong, Pastor General of the Worldwide Church of God said 1975.
      Bill Maupin managed to convince his followers to sell all of their worldly goods in preparation for Jesus’ return on June 28th, 1981.
      Benjamin Crème stated that on June 21st, 1982 Christ would make a worldwide television announcement.
      Mark Blitz, Pastor of El Shaddai Ministries says it would be September 30th, 2008
      Jerry Falwell said it’d happen between 1999 and 2009.
      Harold Camping told everyone that the Rapture would happen May 21, 2011 after failing in his first predicted date of 1994.

      Conversely, many believe He’s all ready come in the form of Sun Myung Moon, Emanuel Swedenborg, Baha u llah, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, David Koresh, Hailie Selassie, John Thom, Arnold Potter, William Davies, George roux, Ernest Norman, Krishna Venta, Ahn Sahng-Hong, Jim Jones, Mashall Applewhite, Hulon Mitchell, Wayne Bent, Ariffin Mohammed, Mitsuo Matayoshi, Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda, Inri Cristo, Thomas Provenzano, David Icke, Shoko Asahara, Hogan Fukinaga, Marina Tsvigun or Sergei Troop.

      It would appear that the much lauded Jewish carpenter has been thoroughly dead for 2000 years and will remain so.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:28 am |
    • Stan

      @Doc Vestibule, The most prominent sign of the last days? The appearance on the scene of lots of false prophets...(deception of the highest order)

      Mat 24:3-8 KJV And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? (4) And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. (5) For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. (6) And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. (7) For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. (8) All these are the beginning of sorrows.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:39 am |
    • sam stone

      gee, stan...more scripture. how convincing

      your god is impotent

      you are a vindictive pr1ck

      choke on it

      June 27, 2013 at 10:41 am |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      Stan

      Oh! False prophets are a modern issue.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:44 am |
    • james

      stan and sam and doc and honey and all who do not believe you are about to learn what others in the past learned, prophecies are for evidence and warnings of things to come and Jesus' words at Matt.24:37-39 and Luke 17:26-30 give us a little light on what will be. of course Matt.24:36 shows noone knows when but then the prophet tells what to look for and if you are not seeing how all of his prophesies are being fulfilled at this time then maybe you will want to humble yourselves and ask for a little more faith and a little more light. (see Matt.7-11)

      June 27, 2013 at 10:50 am |
    • Stan

      You guys already know that the knowledge curve is going upwards like a crazy rocket, right? for a couple of thousand years the coolest transport was on a horse... and cars, planes and all these nice transport are with us for...lets sat just over a 100 years? Who's kidding who?...

      Dan 12:4 KJV But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:52 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Stan

      THE END IS NIGH!
      The ancient prophecies are being fulfilled!
      "The age of evil has come to the world . Everyone steals and hoards great wealth, and sensual sin rules the day. The end of the world is at hand – yet men are hard and cruel, and listen not to the doom that is coming . No one heeds the cries of his neighbour, or lifts a hand to save."

      Save yourself from the end of the world! Open your heart to the Father, the King of Gods – for only the mercy of Odin will protect you from Ragnarok.

      Almost every religion has a Doomsday prophecy. There have always been people convinced that the omens clearly indicate that the end of all things is nigh, even before the Bible was written.

      The Christian mythology has a number of holes in the end tiems prophecy.
      “Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.”
      —1 John 2:18
      The "Last Hour" was 2,0000 years ago!

      The biblical definition of a generation can be found in Psalm 90.
      "The years of our lives are 70; and if by reason of strength they be 80 years, yet most of them are labor and sorrow; for life is soon cut off and we fly away."
      26 Psalms 90:10
      This is confirmed in the Gospel of Matthew.
      "Therefore all the generations from Abraham down to David are 14 generations; and from David down to the Babylonian captivity are 14 generations; and from the Babylonian captivity down to messiah, are 14 generations."
      – Matthew 1:17
      Matthew is using the Psalm 90 definitions of Generation in order to tell a specific chronological story.

      The End Times were supposed to have happened thousands of years ago, and yet we're still here.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:53 am |
    • sam stone

      james: your empty threats only impress those who agree with you

      June 27, 2013 at 11:01 am |
    • james

      if that is too much reading for you to tear yourself away for just start in Matt. ch. 7 vs 7,8 then go to vs. 21-23 and if you really want I will give you some more.

      June 27, 2013 at 11:01 am |
    • james

      sam; not my threats.

      June 27, 2013 at 11:03 am |
    • sam stone

      stan: knowledge is driven by skepticism and inquiry, not blind obedience

      June 27, 2013 at 11:03 am |
    • sam stone

      james: sure they are. you are the one making them

      June 27, 2013 at 11:04 am |
    • Rory

      Stan
      And yet the four horsemen and Christ himself are supposed to return mounted on horses during those Revelation end times.

      Watch why this is ridiculous at about the 1:25 mark.
      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oaS_N1zsqo&w=640&h=360]

      June 27, 2013 at 3:10 pm |
    • Doobs

      .He is totally capable of fighting His own battles,

      Really? Then why does he need you to defend him?

      June 27, 2013 at 5:56 pm |
    • Science

      Rory..................imao when I saw that the other day....................the winged thing.

      June 27, 2013 at 8:21 pm |
    • Stan

      You guys that call other people mean names, the list topped by the word "bigot(ed/s)", take note of the current tragedy prophesied a couple of thousand years ago in the bible re Damascus (Syria). You are able to witness it currently on all major and minor news stations.... remember it has been the longest continuously inhabited city that has not been destroyed by war in the world...

      Isa 17:1 KJV The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.

      June 28, 2013 at 2:50 am |
    • Stan

      My plea to whosoever is reading (listening): please believe God's message of love...

      Joh 3:14-21 KJV And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: (15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. (16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (19) And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. (20) For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. (21) But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

      June 28, 2013 at 2:57 am |
    • JBOOMstillLying

      dearest Stanley,

      Crack open a history book and tell me how many times Damascus has come under one form of attack or another? That you and Hal Lindsey and Jack Van Impe all of God's PROFITS are claiming how one verse describes current events and, oh...oh! is a sign of fulfilled prophecy tells me only one thing...

      It tells me what an...wait for it...wait for it...

      IDIOT

      you are....

      June 28, 2013 at 2:59 am |
  11. countypa

    I have TWO Daddy what next.......(dirtandmoredirt com)

    June 27, 2013 at 10:00 am |
    • Thoth

      So what? That's your bigoted ideology. An open-minded person wouldn't care. Are you implying that two men, or two women are not capable of raising a child? Heck I know male/female parents who shouldn't be raising children.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:06 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Jesus had 2 dads and He turned out OK.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:29 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      "Jesus had 2 dads and He turned out OK." ZING!

      June 27, 2013 at 10:44 am |
  12. JRNY

    Christians! You're living by a book that was written by men, ages after your mythological jesus died! Why are you allowing a bunch of dead men dictate how you live???

    June 27, 2013 at 9:56 am |
    • Love Light

      Jesus lives and so does His truth. A truth which was not dictated to anyone and affords free will to everyone to follow it or not. Why are you so upset about what others choose to follow?

      June 27, 2013 at 10:10 am |
    • kman

      I don't live by the words of dead men. I live by the words of a LIVING GOD!!!!

      June 27, 2013 at 10:10 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Argumentum ad modernity

      June 27, 2013 at 10:12 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      Which god? Last I heard there are about 10,000 and counting...

      June 27, 2013 at 10:23 am |
    • realbuckyball

      Billy Boy
      For someone whose entire church makes the argumentum ad antiquitatem ALL THE TIME, ("tradition"), you really ought not to be bringing THAT old chestnut up.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:34 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Well Bucky an idea can be good or bad whether it is new or old. The point of the argument from antiquity fallacy is that the age of the idea, of itself, neither validates nor excludes it.

      June 27, 2013 at 11:04 am |
    • tallulah13

      Discrimination has always been a bad idea, no matter what your personal tradition says.

      June 27, 2013 at 11:10 am |
  13. Iggy

    Who cares, get over it. Let them do whatever they want.

    June 27, 2013 at 9:54 am |
  14. Honey Badger Don't Care

    This whole biblical marriage argument sounds very funny to me. The only place in the bible that it states that marriage is between ONE man and ONE woman is in 1 Timothy 3:2:

    “A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt at teaching.”

    The real biblical definition of marriage then is to have multiple wives and concubines as shown many times over in the bible. Sounds pretty plain to me.

    June 27, 2013 at 9:54 am |
  15. Honey Badger Don't Care

    The entire reason that the Const itution was created was to PROVIDE freedoms to all citizens. There is no place in the Const itution where it limits the rights of the citizens of the US. NOWHERE.

    Attempting to use the Const itution to defend DOMA or any other bigoted laws is moving in the wrong direction.

    June 27, 2013 at 9:53 am |
  16. Rainer Braendlein

    I'm insane! INSANE, INSANE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    June 27, 2013 at 9:51 am |
  17. Rainer Braendlein

    The decision of the US Supreme Court concerning gay marriage is rediculous.

    Why?

    The US Supreme Court refers to the US consti-tution. Yet, the US consti-tution was made at a time when nobody could imagine that gays would ever become so influential like they are today. Any paragraph about equality of all human beings of the US consti-tution does not refer to gay people of course. I am sure that be means of historical sience one could prove that the makers of the US consti-tution did reject gay lifestyle, and never intended to protect gays or gay marriage by their consti-tution.

    If gay marriage becomes usual in the USA, God will wipe out the American people from the earth. Don't forget how God treated the ancient inhabitants of Palestine which lived in extreme se-xual misbehaviour. God instructed his People Israel to destroy them, and they were utterly destroyed, and nearly nobody no more knows their names today excepted one reads the story about this in the Old Testament. Also let us remember the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah which were destroyed directly by God's wrath.

    June 27, 2013 at 7:36 am | Report abuse | Reply

    June 27, 2013 at 9:47 am |
    • Observer

      Rainer,

      Spend some time actually reading a Bible. Fortunately, our laws go against many of God's inane laws. For instance, we don't allow people to break the arms and legs of female slaves without any punishment even though God advocates it.

      June 27, 2013 at 9:51 am |
    • Observer

      Rainer,

      Sodom was destroyed because of GREED.

      Read a Bible someday so you won't look so ignorant.

      June 27, 2013 at 9:53 am |
    • mama k

      Wow – what a ridiculous post in just about every way possible. The constitution doesn't say anything specific about left-handed people, yet it manages to protect their basic rights and helps ensure that any advantages afforded them are applied equally. You're just a fearful little bigot. Well you'd better get ready, Rainy because there's a very good chance that ALL of Germany will legalize gay marriage before all of the U.S. states do.

      June 27, 2013 at 9:53 am |
    • Thoth

      They also couldn't have imagined cruise missles, nuclear war heads, or weapons capable of firing hundreds of rounds faster then they could load one ball shot in their flint lock muskets either. Shall we revisit the 2nd ammendment as well?

      June 27, 2013 at 9:53 am |
    • JRNY

      Why do you jesus-creeps hate humanity so much? Why do you believe in a god that "wipes" people from the earth??? No wonder you're losing members, your religion is a religion of hate and extremism.

      June 27, 2013 at 9:53 am |
    • The real Tom

      Repeating nonsense does nothing but make you look even more idiotic, Rainer. You seem terribly upset by this turn of events. Why? What worries you so? What do you think gays "influence"? You do know that many of us who support gay rights aren't gay, don't you?

      Would you have been making this much fuss when the Emancipation Proclamation prohibited slavery? There were goofuses saying the same crap when interracial marriages were made legal, too.

      How about women having the vote? Do you think the founders foresaw that day, too?

      You really are lacking in your understanding of American history. The founders intended the Constitution to be a living document that could change with the times they couldn't foresee.

      June 27, 2013 at 9:54 am |
    • cedar rapids

      'If gay marriage becomes usual in the USA, God will wipe out the American people from the earth'

      again i ask why if gay marriage apparently enough to get god to wipe out the US but apparently did absolutely nothing during slavery? is god ok with slavery then?

      June 27, 2013 at 9:55 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Rainer: No matter how many times you post, you're still a bigot with no basis outside of your belief for hating gays. Set down the bible and educate yourself on some updated facts.

      June 27, 2013 at 9:55 am |
    • Debra

      Are you serious? "If gay marriage becomes usual in the USA, God will wipe out the American people from the earth."

      That's why more and more American people are walking away from believing in your God.

      June 27, 2013 at 9:59 am |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      Ummm.....you do know Sodom and Gomorrah didn't really happen.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:05 am |
    • Happy Atheist

      "Any paragraph about equality of all human beings of the US consti-tution does not refer to gay people of course." And blacks were only counted as three fifths of a human but we recognize in our growing wisdom that our founders did not set up "THE" perfect union but were working towards a more perfect union, knowing progress often has to come in stages. They set the groundwork for equality, they just didn't share it with blacks, gays or women. Now we know that all humans no matter what size shape or color, deserve equality under the law.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:10 am |
    • Rory

      "'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. Eze 16:49

      Sounds more like Republicans than gays to me.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:19 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      I don't hate gays but only the gay lifestyle which is an outrageous manifestation of disbelief.

      I am a sinner too (by nature), and I know that Christ died for me when I still was unbelieving. Kowing that I am a sinner by nature, and knowing that Christ proved his love towards me through his death on the cross I love my fellow-sinners which suffer of gayness or other sins like avarice, greed for power, ambition, etc. God can reform both of us through the releasing power of Jesus' death and resurrection which we can experience through faith and sacramental baptism (including infant baptism).

      No matter what we are by nature through the power of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit we can get reformed. I accuse and judge nobody, we only offer the God's Gospel of his Son Jesus Christ which is able to cure us (soul and body).

      June 27, 2013 at 10:20 am |
    • Happy Atheist

      "outrageous manifestation of disbelief."

      I am also a manifestation of disbelief. I do not believe you about anything Rainer, let alone your imaginary deity. As for your contention about the constltution not protecting their rights not only are you not to be believed but it exposes you for the disgusting bigot you are for even trying that reasoning.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:27 am |
    • Rory

      Rainer Braendlein
      "I don't hate gays but only the gay lifestyle which is an outrageous manifestation of disbelief."

      20 years ago, the same people who are opposing gay marriage now were saying something like "I don't hate blacks, but only the idea of them marrying whites, because that's against God's plan."

      Why do you people always have to have somebody to hate? Besides for atheists, who will it be after this issue is resolved?

      June 27, 2013 at 10:28 am |
    • realbuckyball

      It's "ridiculous". (There is this little tool modern humans have called a "spell checker". You need it.
      NO one asked a little German ignoramus to comment on US affairs, Ranier.
      The US is not a theocracy, thus your entire argument is invalid.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:40 am |
    • sam stone

      "I don't hate gays but only the gay lifestyle which is an outrageous manifestation of disbelief."

      Because you say so, closet queen?

      June 27, 2013 at 10:44 am |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      Why the masochism? Born in sin, in filth and shame, wretched creature lucky to be alive, and undeserving as you are, you can have comfort in the idea that heaven has a plan for you.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:57 am |
  18. W.G.

    It´s really interesting how this turned out . Gay people have the right to freedom , the persute
    of happiness to beable to reach for ad attain goals in life . While in one fell swoop the
    supreme court took voting rights away from minorities . Lessening even more the chance
    for many to escape poverty .

    June 27, 2013 at 9:42 am |
    • The real Tom

      I don't know that that is the case. It appears that Congress will have to revisit the voting rights issue and update the law.

      June 27, 2013 at 9:59 am |
  19. Rainer Braendlein

    One of the greatest or worst loudmouths of history was Robespierre (a leader of the French Revolution) who always gossiped of equality and freedom. Yet, this evil clown has shed so much blood (he was a lover of the scaffold), and he will be condemned by Jesus Christ at Judgement Day.

    At the moment the promoters of gay marriage seem to be successful and glorious, and a lot of idiots praise them; yet, it is only a matter of time when they will decline and fall, and their idiocy will become manifest.

    June 27, 2013 at 9:41 am |
    • The real Tom

      Idiots like you have been predicting the end for 2000 years, Rainer.

      June 27, 2013 at 9:46 am |
    • mama k

      Good luck with that last notion Rainy. You're just fearful because you know Germany will very soon legalize gay marriage across all of Germany before the same is done in all of the U.S. states.

      June 27, 2013 at 9:47 am |
    • Observer

      Rainer,

      Speaking of idiots, some actually think Jesus talked about gays. Actually, he talked about divorced and remarried people, which made them ADULTERERS. Don't expect Christian HYPOCRITES to talk about that. Ooops!

      June 27, 2013 at 9:48 am |
    • Dyslexic doG

      Really?!?! How do you cope, living in the 21st century?

      June 27, 2013 at 9:48 am |
    • JRNY

      Wow, you're a WHOLE lot of crazy. Look at what you just read. It's 2013, don't you SEE why people think you jesus-crispies are crazy????

      June 27, 2013 at 9:49 am |
    • sam stone

      rainy: jesus is waiting. take your sidearm, insert it in your mouth.....now you are almost ready to be kneeling at the feet of the savior....one more step.....

      June 27, 2013 at 10:10 am |
    • Rory

      sam stone
      Going too far, dude!

      Better they live with their shame than take the coward's way out!

      June 27, 2013 at 10:22 am |
    • sam stone

      rory: coward's way out? going to kneel at the feet of their savior is a "coward's way out"?

      June 27, 2013 at 10:46 am |
    • sam stone

      And, bigots like Rainy have no shame

      June 27, 2013 at 10:46 am |
    • Doobs

      @ Rainman,

      If you want to talk about shed blood, I'm sure the Native Americans have a few things to say.

      June 27, 2013 at 6:01 pm |
  20. MikeH

    Our system of government was intentionally established to put a wall (Jefferson's word, not mine) between church and state. It was also set up (according to letters by Madison) to not only keep the government from being involved in battles of the church, quite literal in Europe in those days, and protect minorities against the opinions of the majority, ironic given social context of the time. Religious leaders are free to have their opinion and preach as they will among their people. However, they do not have the right to intervene in the governance of the country nor force their opinions upon the nation through the government.

    June 27, 2013 at 9:38 am |
    • What is going on? FREEDOM

      Hear, hear!!

      June 27, 2013 at 9:41 am |
    • mama k

      Yes. Thank you, MikeH. And actually, Madison's words as well:
      – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

      The Civil Govt, tho' bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability and performs its functions with complete success, Whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the Priesthood, & the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the Church from the State.

      June 27, 2013 at 9:50 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Madison? Didn't he help George Washington write this:

      Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:48 am |
    • mama k

      I doubt it, Bill. Washington was a very convincing person, though. Do you have some evidence that he helped him write it?

      June 27, 2013 at 11:01 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      History shows that Madison helped Washington draft his farewell address at the end of his first term. That draft rested in a drawer somewhere while Washington served his second term and was rewritten with the aid of John Hanc ock before being delivered just before the end of Washington's final months in office. I don't think anyone can crdit the paragraph above directly to Madison but, it doesn't really matter. You use Madison's and others statements to bolster the idea that the founders were anti-religious but there is just as much or more evidence that they valued religious thought both in the formation of the government and as a boon to the electorate. Washington certainly shows he felt it indispensable to democracy to at least the same degree as education

      June 27, 2013 at 11:19 am |
    • MikeH

      There are layers here.
      The founders were not anti-religion, but by and large they were against the its direct involvement in government.

      George Washington was one of the most religious and part of a small minority group who met to pray before Continental Congress meetings. As a group, they decided to intentionally not open any such meetings with prayer.

      Valuing religious thought and having personal religious conviction is something entirely different from thinking it has a direct role in governance.

      June 27, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
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