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June 27th, 2013
01:32 PM ET

Not all religious convictions are written in stone

Editor's Note: Rachel Held Evans is the author of "Evolving in Monkey Town" and "A Year of Biblical Womanhood." She blogs at rachelheldevans.com

By Rachel Held Evans, Special to CNN

(CNN) - There’s a misconception among many faithful folks that religious convictions, by their very nature, are set in stone.

People who change their minds are called flip-floppers or backsliders, accused of capitulating to culture and “conforming to the world.”

But some of the most recognizable names in the Christian story experienced changes of heart: Paul, Augustine, Martin Luther, C.S. Lewis and Madeleine L'Engle.

In my own life, questions and doubts have served as refining fires that keep my faith hot and alive and bubbling where certainty would only freeze it on the spot.

I’ve changed my mind about a lot of things—the age of the Earth, the reality of climate change, the value of women in church leadership, the equal failings of both the Republican and Democratic platforms to embody the teachings of Jesus.

Like a lot of evangelicals, I grew up in a religious environment that vilified LGBT people.

I remember attending a Christian conference in which liberals were derisively referred to as FOGS (friends-of-gays). I laughed along with the speaker, albeit nervously, dismissing the voice in my head reminding me that Jesus was ridiculed for his choice of friends, too.

Today, I am honored to be the friend of many LGBT people, and I celebrated along with them as Exodus International closed its doors and as the Supreme Court ruled the Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutional.

I know sometimes it seems like evangelical Christians are unyielding and unwilling to change, but as I scrolled through my Facebook feed this week, I saw a mixture of responses from my Christian friends — some joyful and some dismayed.

I noticed that several friends who had been at that very same conference so many years ago boasted red equal signs as their profile pictures.

In his book “Velvet Elvis,” Rob Bell writes:

“Times change. God doesn’t, but times do. We learn and grow, and the world around us shifts, and the Christian faith is alive only when it is listening, morphing, innovating, letting go of whatever has gotten in the way of Jesus and embracing whatever will help us be more and more the people God wants us to be.”

A person of conviction is not one who is unyielding to change, but one whose beliefs evolve based on new information, new movements of the Spirit, new biblical insights and, yes, new friends.

There’s a story in the New Testament about a Roman centurion named Cornelius, whose fear of God and care for the poor was widely known among the people.

After receiving a vision from God, Cornelius sends for the apostle Peter, who agrees to meet with him, even though it was forbidden for a Jew to associate with a Gentile.

Peter, an observant Jew, had been wrestling with the idea of including Gentiles in the church. But when he encounters the sincere faith of Cornelius, he is moved to declare, “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right!”

He tells the skeptical people who have gathered outside, “God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean.”

Peter changed his mind, and the church would never be the same.

Despite deeply held religious convictions regarding circumcision and dietary restrictions, he led the way in opening the doors of the church to all who would enter, regardless of ethnicity, gender, socioeconomic status or religious background.

We can learn a lot from Peter — not only from his inclusiveness, but also from his willingness to change his mind.

Like Peter, God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean. And that I should not think so highly of myself as to assume I’ve got this faith thing all figured out.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Rachel Held Evans.

- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. LIGHT

    What about this?

    He has let free the two seas meeting together. (55:19)

    Between them there is a barrier which they do not transgress. (55:20)

    A famous French oceanographer, J. Cousteau, gives the following account as a result of his studies in water barriers: “We studied the assertions by certain researchers about barriers separating seas, and noticed that the Mediterranean Sea had its own salinity and density and housed autochthonous fauna and flora. Then we examined the water of the Atlantic Ocean and discovered features entirely different from those of the Mediterranean Sea. According to our expectations, these two seas that merged in the strait of Gibraltar should present similar characteristics in terms of salinity, density and other properties. The two seas presented different features even though they were adjacent. This greatly puzzled us. An incredible barrier prevented the two seas from coming together. The same sort of a barrier had also been observed in Bab Al-Mandab in the Gulf of Aden connecting with the Red Sea.

    June 28, 2013 at 2:56 am |
  2. maximo

    And even
    "More Scientists Endorse Darwin's Doubt: Meet Biologist Mark C. Biedebach" – See more at: http://www.evolutionnews.org/2013/06/more_scientists073871.html

    excerpt of what Biedebach writes:

    Meyer asserts that those who believe neo-Darwinian (or any other conceivable materialistic) processes provide a satisfactory explanation for the existence of life on earth must invariably resort to a metaphysical assertion known as methodological naturalism. This is the view that it is possible to explain all features and events that occur in the natural world by reference to exclusively natural causes. (This has sometimes been called "exclusionary methodological naturalism," because a purposive intelligence, mind, or conscious agency is excluded as a cause.)

    But Meyer argues that to restrict methodological naturalism in such a way renders one blind to the possibility that intelligent design is the best, most causally adequate explanation for the origin of the new information necessary for new cellular network circuitry or a new body plan (whenever previous transitional fossils do not exist).

    Meyer's attack is really against "macroevolution" (large scale population change). Michael Behe (in The Edge of Evolution) points out that there is abundant evidence for "microevolution" (smaller population change), but there is a boundary at which the evidence for microevolution stops and evidence for macroevolution either doesn't exist, or any clues that do exist are beset with problems so serious that explanatory attempts boil down to "just-so-stories." This leaves macroevolution sitting atop a boundary (or wall) with an outlook no better that that of Humpty Dumpty.

    - look for more scientists to come out !

    June 28, 2013 at 2:22 am |
  3. LIGHT

    For those atheists who don't believe in anything, and for Christians who don't believe in Quran please read this:

    Do not these disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were an integrated mass, which We then split, and from water We made all living things? Will they not believe even then? (21:30)

    With power did We construct Heaven. Verily, We are expanding it. (51:47)

    On that day We will fold the heaven, like the folding of a book. Just as We initiated the first creation, We will revert it. This is Our promise. We will certainly fulfill it. (21:104)

    The greatness of the Quran, which stated 1400 years ago that the universe was created from the one primordial wholeness(which we are calling the big bang theory), that it expanded, and that it would shrink back -at a time when all scientific evidence was lacking- is understood better today with the advance of science and the discovery of the mystery of the universe.

    See how Quran is talking about the past, the present and the future of the universe very accurately where no else can do it.

    Now show us what did the Earth or the Nature said to us.

    June 28, 2013 at 1:25 am |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      Atheism isn't nihilism. Have you seen The Big Lebowski? I'm not German, nor do I listen to early Kraut-techno.

      June 28, 2013 at 1:28 am |
  4. jboom

    John Sanford, genetic engineering scientist and professor of Horticulture has come out of the close in support of Intelligent Design. BTW, he was an atheist.

    June 28, 2013 at 1:09 am |
    • jboom

      oops, this was supposed to be reply to thread started on page 2 ( June 27, 5:39pm )

      ( http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/27/opinion-not-all-religious-convictions-are-written-in-stone/comment-page-2/#comments )

      June 28, 2013 at 1:11 am |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      He believes the Earth is 100,000 years old. It's just proof that even intelligent people can be completely blinded by religious belief.

      June 28, 2013 at 1:26 am |
    • redzoa

      Perhaps he'll be able to help the DI and the ID crowd finally provide some positive research, rather than their standard negative arguments of incredulity. Perhaps, he'll be able to describe how to actually test for the alleged mechanism underlying ID?

      (holds breath in anticipation!)

      June 28, 2013 at 1:31 am |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      redzoa

      Don't bother, you'll pass out continuously for the rest of your life.

      June 28, 2013 at 1:33 am |
    • jboom

      redzoa,

      Molecular clocks! Real science? Cloak it in scientific words, fool yourself and you can fool others.
      Feynman himself warned scientists to take great care to not fool themselves for this very reason.

      Science is a give and take process. But the give and take comes by accepting some hypotheses and rejecting others. To desperately hold onto a hypothesis and to keep revising it repeatedly to explain away evidence or lack of evidence is not using the scientific method. If one does that, the hypothesis is no longer a good explanation of reality. The hypothesis has no explanatory or predictive power. Its akin to fitting a Nth order polynomial through a set of N points. The equation fits the data, but the equation predicts additional data that is not there. Rather, the equation, like neo-Darwinism, becomes a model to describe the evidence with false predictive capacity and no semblance to reality. Likewise, neo-Darwinism, though interesting and fitting with the data, becomes another ‘just-so’ story. Rudyard Kipling could not have done better himself.

      June 28, 2013 at 2:02 am |
    • jboom

      this is the story of the fossil record and DNA record ...

      give it time and even more scientists will openly admit their own reservations !!!

      June 28, 2013 at 2:11 am |
    • jboom

      evolutionists need not fear losing their funding or status, ID proponents encourage more science, more research, more discovery, more dialogue, real dialogue, less clothe-less emperors

      June 28, 2013 at 2:12 am |
    • Science

      Where jboom ?....................no fricking fairy in the sky !

      26 June 2013 Last updated at 22:02 ET Share this pageEmail Print Share this page

      10KShareFacebookTwitter.Mouse cloned from drop of blood

      nightmare if they could clone you !!!

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-23068423

      June 29, 2013 at 7:46 am |
  5. Wendell

    jboom has come out of the closet. He should have stayed in it.

    June 28, 2013 at 12:52 am |
  6. David Thompson

    I have a better god to worship:

    Odysseus

    Odysseus has the defining character traits of a Homeric leader: strength, courage, nobility, a thirst for glory, and confidence in his authority. His most distinguishing trait, however, is his sharp intellect. Odysseus’s quick thinking helps him out of some very tough situations, as when he escapes from the cave of the Cyclops in Book 9, or when he hides his slaughter of the suitors by having his minstrel strike up a wedding tune in Book 23. He is also a convincing, articulate speaker and can win over or manipulate his audience with ease. When he first addresses Nausicaa on the island of Scheria, for example, his suave, comforting approach quickly wins her trust.

    Odysseus is much cooler than Jesus. He's not a wimp. He doesn't get flogged and bleed all over the place or nailed to boards. He's a real man-god, not a wannabe.

    June 28, 2013 at 12:34 am |
    • Lycidas

      Some would say that he was decepitive and willing to have his own men killed to protect himself.

      June 28, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
  7. Bootyfunk

    "Times change. God doesn’t, but times do. We learn and grow, and the world around us shifts, and the Christian faith is alive only when it is listening, morphing, innovating, letting go of whatever has gotten in the way of Jesus and embracing whatever will help us be more and more the people God wants us to be.”

    so you ignore commands to kill all g.ays, disobedient children, non-virgin brides and anyone working the weekend? you ignore the bible's wholesale promotion of slavery? jesus himself said to beat disobedient slaves "with many stripes." harsh. you would think one of god's commandments would have been "thou shalt not own another human being". but of course the bible is not divinely inspired, not the word of an all loving god. the authors of the bible were just victims of their times. modern ethics are much superior to those of bronze/iron age sheep herders that thought it was a man's right to beat his wife if she disobeyed him.

    June 27, 2013 at 11:37 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      find some thing original, than to beat on hindusim, corruption of truth by Roman Magi s, crooks to make human their gentile, slaves called bible.

      June 27, 2013 at 11:56 pm |
    • Austin

      "and the Christian faith is alive only when it is listening, morphing, innovating, letting go of whatever has gotten in the way of Jesus and embracing whatever will help us be more and more the people God wants us to be.”

      we know that man worships the works of his own hands, and that time does not change who man is and it never will. Our inventions are distractions. We wear new costumes.

      Original sin and one savior hasn't changed. Not in this world.

      June 28, 2013 at 12:06 am |
    • Science

      Bottom one for you Austin !

      http://storify.com/assignmentdesk1/20-people-unafraid-to-share-their-thoughts-on-gay?utm_source=story&utm_media=embed&utm_content=related

      June 28, 2013 at 12:13 am |
    • Austin

      Science,
      go ahead what now?

      June 28, 2013 at 12:17 am |
    • Laurence Charles Ringo

      Wow,"bootyfunk"(?) It astonishes me how eager you are to showcase your utter ignorance of the nuances of Biblical interpretation! What's wrong with you??

      June 28, 2013 at 4:00 am |
    • JBOOMstillLying

      Ahhh, yes, Laurence....those convenient hermenuetical "nuances"...allowing you to dismiss those things that might muddy up you pretty little world...

      June 28, 2013 at 4:08 am |
  8. Bootyfunk

    basically, she's justifying her cherrypicking of the bible. christians these days follow the parts they like and ignore the silly/violent commands. i don't blame them. many of the bible stories are embarrassing, either silly to the point of childlike or ultra violence. anyone who followed the bible to the letter would be among the world's most vicious serial killer/mass murderers.

    June 27, 2013 at 11:32 pm |
    • Doobs

      It's only a matter of time before they start claiming that they were the ones who championed same sex marriage from the beginning.

      June 27, 2013 at 11:57 pm |
  9. mikemayer67

    Rachel, Thank you for another excellent blog post.

    It saddens me to see your commentary section plugged up with stupid entries that have NOTHING to do with the content of your message. Dissension is one thing. Filibustering to keep people from having a discussion is nothing but childish and a rather rude tactic.

    June 27, 2013 at 11:29 pm |
    • yeah, sure

      what are you, the thread nanny? do you thinks she reads the comments? grow up, its a comment section, people are going to talk about whatever they wanna talk about. sheesh.

      June 27, 2013 at 11:46 pm |
    • Doobs

      Exactly how does one filibuster on a comment board?

      June 27, 2013 at 11:49 pm |
  10. lionlylamb

    Once again, "Which belief prospers the beholder? Godliness or godlessness?"

    June 27, 2013 at 11:06 pm |
    • evolvedDNA

      reason.

      June 28, 2013 at 12:06 am |
    • tallulah13

      Coherency.

      June 28, 2013 at 1:00 am |
    • laststonecarver

      @lionly,
      The thinking 'Opening the Eye' –
      Not one of your options, but you might try it, and see how it works –

      June 28, 2013 at 6:42 am |
  11. Dyslexic doG

    why is the Christian god such a narcissist that he needs to be worshipped and adored and praised all the time? Sounds like insecurity to me. An inferiority complex. Maybe in the god world he is the dweeby pimply guy that the girl gods don't like. That's why he got our little planet to look after.

    June 27, 2013 at 10:58 pm |
  12. Reality

    Rachel, Rachel, Rachel,

    For your next book's preface:

    The Apostles'’ Creed 2013: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
    and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen
    (references used are available upon request)

    June 27, 2013 at 10:36 pm |
  13. I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

    Potassium
    19
    K
    39.0983(1)
    Group: 1
    Period: 4
    CAS: IA

    June 27, 2013 at 9:25 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      ooops – I'm always messing up replies to the last post of the page.

      June 27, 2013 at 9:26 pm |
  14. Kev

    The article reminds me of the following scripture passage:

    To every thing there is a season and a time to every purpose under heaven:

    A time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

    A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

    A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

    A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

    A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

    A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

    A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war and a time of peace.

    (Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 KJV)

    June 27, 2013 at 9:12 pm |
  15. myweightinwords

    Why is everyone so hung up on what two people you don't know do in the bedroom? I mean, seriously?

    Is the sex part of your marriage the defining factor of your marriage?

    Do you honestly think that that is all gay couples do?

    Do you have an emotional connection to your spouse? Do you love and support him/her? Do you spend time together doing mundane things? Do you treat each other with respect?

    Guess what? Gay couples do the same thing. Just like you the sex part is only a part. Stop obsessing about what other people are doing with their naughty bits. Pay attention to what you're doing with your own.

    June 27, 2013 at 8:59 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Hebrews 13:4; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Revelation 21:8 to name a few.

      June 27, 2013 at 9:26 pm |
      • myweightinwords

        To name a few what?

        June 27, 2013 at 9:28 pm |
      • myweightinwords

        Also:

        Matthew 7:3
        “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

        Matthew 7:5
        You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

        Luke 6:41
        “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

        Luke 6:42
        How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
        Luke 6:41-43 (in Context)

        June 27, 2013 at 9:29 pm |
    • Akira

      Well said.
      I don't understand it, either; I had a friend who was miserable in her marriage, but she said the sex was great... I asked her, "what about the times you two aren't in bed? Do you two even like each other? Marriage is about more than just sex"

      They are divorced now. Turned out, sex was the only thing they had in common, and in the end, it wasn't nearly enough.

      June 27, 2013 at 9:31 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Myweight, stop playing the fool.
      .
      E.phesians 5:5  
      .
      For this ye know, that no w.horemonger, nor u.nclean person, nor c.ovetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

      Amen.

      June 27, 2013 at 9:37 pm |
      • myweightinwords

        Heaven Sent,

        I have no interest in inheriting any kingdom, nor in your god. Nor in your scripture.

        Perhaps if you really understood your scripture, where it came from and how it became what it is today, you would realize it is no more holy than the next book.

        June 27, 2013 at 9:41 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      myweightinwords, not to worry. You won't unless you repent..

      June 27, 2013 at 9:45 pm |
      • myweightinwords

        *yawn* Been there, done that. Discovered it was all ego stroking and false humility.

        What I found instead is that repentance is only for those who believe they have fallen.

        June 27, 2013 at 10:08 pm |
    • Bacharachish

      ♫ HeavenSent is just a fool
      It's probably because she often fell asleep in school.
      But a fool is just a tool,
      And a house is not a home,
      When there's no one upstairs, to comprehend the words...how dumb...

      June 27, 2013 at 9:45 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      myweightinwords, perhaps if you understood the lies being fed you because of your ego constantly needing to be stroked.

      June 27, 2013 at 9:49 pm |
      • myweightinwords

        Heaven Sent,

        You can't guilt me or frighten me into believing. I have believed and I learned the truth.

        It is true that the Truth will set you free...but only if you find it.

        June 27, 2013 at 10:10 pm |
    • Roger

      True myweight. The more you know, as they say.

      http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the_historical_existence_of_Jesus_Christ

      June 27, 2013 at 9:51 pm |
    • HS

      Tune in myweightinwords, I only sew His seeds. Jesus does the watering for those that are thirsty.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:14 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      Everybody knows the book is true, it says so in the book.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:20 pm |
    • Akira

      How does one sew seeds? Oh, do you mean SOW seeds?

      June 27, 2013 at 11:14 pm |
    • Athy

      Maybe the skin of the seeds was ripped and needed to be repaired. Would take a really small needle, though.

      June 27, 2013 at 11:21 pm |
    • *

      Akira,

      HS will do what she usually does regarding the "sew" "sow" error (which she's been called out on many times).

      - Huffily claim it's a "typo"
      - Blame the "Mod Squad"
      - Accuse her ex-bosses of hacking in here and changing it to make her look bad

      June 27, 2013 at 11:22 pm |
    • Athy

      Or just "hit and run" as usual.

      June 27, 2013 at 11:27 pm |
    • Akira

      @ *,
      Wait, what? She has actually accused her bosses of hacking into CNN to change her posts? Seriously? Oh, my.

      June 27, 2013 at 11:52 pm |
    • *

      Akira,

      Nah, that one was a bit of hyperbole - but she has accused someone named Scottie, who she thinks is the webmaster, of some hijinks.

      June 27, 2013 at 11:56 pm |
    • Austin

      Let us come to faith first and then repent. this too is a supernatural sanctification.

      June 28, 2013 at 12:02 am |
    • Akira

      @ *,
      Lol. Good to know that the last one was hyperbole...but I have seen the references to Scotty before. I figured it was just her invisible playmate...

      Well hey, there, Austin. What's the haps?

      June 28, 2013 at 12:26 am |
    • tallulah13

      HS is the vainest person on this blog, yet she has the audacity to chide others about ego! Her life seems to revolve around her hatred of others and her utterly sociopathic perception that she is the chosen mouthpiece of god. What a dreadful excuse for a human being. I'd feel sorry for her, but she is the author of her own misery.

      June 28, 2013 at 1:06 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      HS is the vainest person on this blog, yet she has the audacity to chide others about ego! Her life seems to revolve around her hatred of others

      HS is pretty bad but there are ones on your side who are just mirror images of her. You have Atheist who are as narrow minded as the best Pat Robertson clones that we have on the side of the Faithful.

      June 28, 2013 at 1:18 am |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      Mark from Middle River

      Agreed.

      June 28, 2013 at 1:22 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Mark from Middle River, you posted "HS is the vainest person on this blog, yet she has the audacity to chide others about ego! Her life seems to revolve around her hatred of others

      HS is pretty bad but there are ones on your side who are just mirror images of her. You have Atheist who are as narrow minded as the best Pat Robertson clones that we have on the side of the Faithful., you posted "HS is the vainest person on this blog, yet she has the audacity to chide others about ego! Her life seems to revolve around her hatred of others

      HS is pretty bad but there are ones on your side who are just mirror images of her. You have Atheist who are as narrow minded as the best Pat Robertson clones that we have on the side of the Faithful."

      Answer: If I were vain and hateful Mark, I wouldn't post His truth to the lost. I'd be like you, twisting and contorting man made lies to prevent others from making a factual decision that will save their soul. Unlike you Mark, I don't have a hidden agenda.

      June 28, 2013 at 1:29 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      tallulah13, you posted "HS is the vainest person on this blog, yet she has the audacity to chide others about ego! Her life seems to revolve around her hatred of others and her utterly sociopathic perception that she is the chosen mouthpiece of god. What a dreadful excuse for a human being. I'd feel sorry for her, but she is the author of her own misery."

      Answer: You do realize that you are explaining yourself?

      June 28, 2013 at 1:31 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      myweightinwords, you posted "To name a few what?"

      Answer: Scriptures.

      Also: "Matthew 7:3
      “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

      Matthew 7:5
      You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

      Luke 6:41
      “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

      Luke 6:42
      How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
      Luke 6:41-43 (in Context) "

      Answer: Proverbs 1:7  

      The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of knowledge: [but] fools despise wisdom and instruction.

      Amen.

      June 28, 2013 at 1:44 pm |
      • myweightinwords

        So you think you have perfected yourself enough that you should be spending your time telling others what is wrong with them, Heaven Sent?

        June 28, 2013 at 2:12 pm |
    • IKYABWAI

      HeavenSent,
      "fools despise wisdom and instruction."

      Answer: You do realize that you are explaining yourself?

      June 28, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      myweightinwords, you posted "So you think you have perfected yourself enough that you should be spending your time telling others what is wrong with them, Heaven Sent?:

      Answer: I'm posting Jesus' truth. If you despise His truth is the reason you aren't the best that He wants YOU to be. Denying His truth is why you believe satan's lies.

      June 28, 2013 at 4:00 pm |
      • myweightinwords

        No, you are regurgitating scripture without digesting it first and ignoring the scripture that you don't feel applies to you. There is a difference.

        June 28, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      IKYABWAI, you posted "HeavenSent, "fools despise wisdom and instruction." Answer: You do realize that you are explaining yourself?"

      Answer: I love and follow Jesus Christ's truth. I don't despise Him. He wrote that passage to folks that despise Him and refuse to learn His truth.

      June 28, 2013 at 4:05 pm |
    • mama k

      mwiw: "No, you [ScentedTissue] are regurgitating scripture without digesting it first and ignoring the scripture that you don't feel applies to you. "

      That's the Christian way.

      Well one of the ~40,000 ways.

      June 28, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommy Tom as Mama k, the many differences between believers and unbelievers is we believe all His truth, especially Matthew 6:9-15 and Romans 12:19.

      June 29, 2013 at 6:56 am |
  16. UncleBenny

    In match play, if a doubt or dispute arises between the players, a player may make a claim. If no duly authorized representative of the Committee is available within a reasonable time, the players must continue the match without delay. The Committee may consider a claim only if it has been made in a timely manner and if the player making the claim has notified his opponent at the time (i) that he is making a claim or wants a ruling and (ii) of the facts upon which the claim or ruling is to be based.

    Rules of Golf 2-5

    June 27, 2013 at 8:58 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      "You put your right foot in, you put your right foot out. You put your right foot in and you shake it all about. You do the hokey pokey and you turn yourself around. That's what it's all about." The Hokey Pokey.

      June 27, 2013 at 9:03 pm |
    • Akira

      If you touch the metal sides while taking out a piece, a buzzer goes off, and the patient's nose lights up.

      -The rules of the game "Operation"

      June 27, 2013 at 9:37 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      Akira, it's not so much the nose lighting up but the BUZZZZZZing noise that gets me!

      June 27, 2013 at 10:11 pm |
    • Akira

      Mwiw, I disconnected that puppy the second time I played that game. Couldn't stand that sound, plus I rather sucked at that game...

      June 28, 2013 at 12:31 am |
  17. Psst...

    Anyone who has to be afraid of God is blackmailed into believing. That is not love. That is not wisdom. That is coercion.

    June 27, 2013 at 8:44 pm |
  18. Ron

    "I have come into the world to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears my voice." ...Jesus (John 18:37)

    June 27, 2013 at 8:35 pm |
    • Athy

      Oh shit! Just what we need, another damn bible babbler like Bob! I like that! Bible babbler Bob! Has a nice rhythm, doesn't it?

      June 27, 2013 at 8:43 pm |
    • UncleBenny

      A match is won when one side leads by a number of holes greater than the number remaining to be played.

      If there is a tie, the Committee may extend the stipulated round by as many holes as are required for a match to be won.

      Rules 0f Golf 2-3

      June 27, 2013 at 8:56 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Athy, you've got it backwards. Unbelievers babble satan's lies. Christians post His truth.

      June 27, 2013 at 8:59 pm |
    • Athy

      Hey! Rules that make sense. Sorry, Ron, you are over "ruled".

      June 27, 2013 at 9:00 pm |
  19. Ron

    "Unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God" ....Jesus (John 3:3)

    June 27, 2013 at 8:34 pm |
    • *

      I wanted to be born again, but my mother said no way.

      June 27, 2013 at 8:51 pm |
    • UncleBenny

      A player may concede a match at any time prior to the start or conclusion of that match.

      A player may concede a hole at any time prior to the start or conclusion of that hole.

      A player may concede his opponent’s next stroke at any time, provided the opponent’s ball is at rest. The opponent is considered to have holed out with his next stroke, and the ball may be removed by either side.

      A concession may not be declined or withdrawn.

      Rules of Golf 2-4

      June 27, 2013 at 8:57 pm |
    • Akira

      @ *,
      This made me laugh...thanks.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:14 pm |
  20. Ron

    "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom" ....Proverbs 9:10

    June 27, 2013 at 8:33 pm |
    • UncleBenny

      In match play, if a doubt or dispute arises between the players, a player may make a claim. If no duly authorized representative of the Committee is available within a reasonable time, the players must continue the match without delay. The Committee may consider a claim only if it has been made in a timely manner and if the player making the claim has notified his opponent at the time (i) that he is making a claim or wants a ruling and (ii) of the facts upon which the claim or ruling is to be based.

      Rules of Golf 2-5

      June 27, 2013 at 8:59 pm |
    • UncleBenny

      Hey Bob and Ron, I can keep on making pointless quotes just as long as you can. When golf runs out, there is always cricket. And baseball. And the periodic table of the elements.

      June 27, 2013 at 9:00 pm |
    • Athy

      How do you get quotes from the periodic table?

      June 27, 2013 at 9:03 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      As requested:

      Potassium
      19
      K
      39.0983(1)
      Group: 1
      Period: 4
      CAS: IA

      June 27, 2013 at 9:26 pm |
    • Athy

      I like it! Has way more truth than some bible nonsense. How about Co60? Or Pu238? Or my personal favorite, Bi209. Extremely short half-life. Look it up for a surprise.

      June 27, 2013 at 10:02 pm |
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