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Conservatives brace for `marriage revolution'
Conservative Christians say their churches have been unprepared for cultural shifts on same-sex marriage.
June 28th, 2013
06:19 PM ET

Conservatives brace for `marriage revolution'

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - With its ivy-covered entrance and Teddy Bear bouquets, Arlene’s Flowers seems an unlikely spot to trigger a culture-war skirmish.

Until recently, the Richland, Washington, shop was better known for its artistic arrangements than its stance on same-sex marriage.

But in March, Barronelle Stutzman, the shop’s 68-year-old proprietress, refused to provide wedding flowers for a longtime customer who was marrying his partner. Washington state legalized same-sex marriage in December.

An ardent evangelical, Stutzman said she agonized over the decision but couldn’t support a wedding that her faith forbids.

“I was not discriminating at all,” she said. “I never told him he couldn’t get married. I gave him recommendations for other flower shops.”

Washington state Attorney General Bob Ferguson disagreed, and filed a consumer protection lawsuit against Arlene’s Flowers. The ACLU also sued on behalf of the customer, Robert Ingersoll, who has said Stutzman’s refusal “really hurt, because it was someone I knew.”

Among conservative Christians, Stutzman has become a byword - part cautionary tale and part cause celebre.

Websites call her a freedom fighter. Tributes fill Arlene’s Facebook page. Donations to her legal defense fund pour in from as far away as Texas and Arkansas.

“For some reason, her case has made a lot of people of faith worry,” said Stutzman’s lawyer, Dale Schowengerdt of the Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative legal group.

Those anxieties have only increased, conservative Christians say, since the Supreme Court struck down part of the Defense of Marriage Act and opened the door to gay marriage in California.

Taking a line from Justice Antonin Scalia's sharp dissent, Southern Baptist scholar Albert Mohler said it’s only a matter of time "before the other shoe drops" – and the high court legalizes same-sex marriage from coast to coast.

“Christians will have to think hard — and fast — about these issues and our proper response,” Mohler wrote on Wednesday.

“We will have to learn an entire new set of missional skills as we seek to remain faithful to Christ in this fast-changing culture.”

His fellow Southern Baptist Russell Moore put the matter more succinctly.

“Same-sex marriage is coming to your community.”

`The debate is over'

Well before the Supreme Court’s rulings, many conservative Christians said they saw the writing - or the poll numbers - on the wall.

Survey after survey shows increasing support for same-sex marriage, especially among young Americans. That includes many religious believers.

Most Catholics and mainline Protestants, not to mention many Jews, support same-sex relationships, according to surveys. The bells of Washington National Cathedral pealed in celebration on Thursday.

Even among those who oppose gay marriage, many think it’s a losing battle.

Seventy percent of white evangelicals believe that legal recognition for gay nuptials is inevitable, according to a June poll by the Pew Research Center, though just 22 percent favor it.

“The gay marriage debate is over,” said Jonathan Merritt, an evangelical writer on faith and culture. “Statistically, all the numbers move in one direction.”

Young Christians have grown up in a far more diverse culture than their forebears, Merritt noted, and many have befriended gays and lesbians.

Pew found that more than 90 percent of Americans overall personally know someone who is gay or lesbian, a 30 percent increase since 1993.

“It’s far easier to wage war against an agenda than it is to battle a friend,” Merritt said.

At the same time, many conservative young Christians say they’re weary of the culture wars, and of seeing their communities labeled “judgmental.”

When Christian researchers at the Barna Group asked Americans aged 16-29 what words best describe Christianity, the top response was “anti-homosexual.” That was true of more than 90 percent of non-Christians and 80 percent of churchgoers, according to Barna.

Tired of being told the country is slouching toward Gomorrah, many young Christians have simply tuned out the angry prophets of earlier generations, evangelical leaders say.

“The shrill angry voices of retrenchment are no longer getting a broad hearing either in the culture at large or in the evangelical community,” Merritt said.

But the battle over same-sex marriage is far from over, said Brian Brown, president of the National Organization for Marriage.

“I don’t believe most Christians are going to give up the fight,” said Brown, who is Catholic. He said his movement includes many young evangelical and Orthodox Christians.

“And they are more energized than ever.”

Love thy gay neighbors

Energized or not, conservative Christians must prepare for the moral dilemmas posed by the country’s growing acceptance of same-sex marriage, said Moore, the new president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission.

“Is Your Church Ready for the Marriage Revolution?” Moore asked, while promoting a special session on homosexuality at the Southern Baptist Convention’s annual meeting in Houston in June.

Many evangelical pastors have seen homosexuality as a distant culture-war battle that’s fought far from the doors of the churches, Moore said.

Now, it’s as close as their front pews.

“I think it’s not so much that churches haven’t wanted to talk about it,” he said, “but they haven’t recognized how much the culture has changed around them.”

The first step, said Moore, is learning to defend traditional marriage without demonizing gays and lesbians.

Walking through Washington’s Union Station last Thursday, Moore said he saw several lesbian couples kissing in celebration of the Supreme Court rulings.

“If we can’t empathize with what’s going on in their hearts and minds, we’re not going to be able to love and respect them.”

Then come a host of secondary questions: How should conservative pastors minister to same-sex couples? Should Christians attend same-sex weddings? Should florists like Barronelle Stutzman's agree to work with gay couples?

`Don't give in' 

Florist Barronelle Stutzman.

In the 17 years she’s owned Arlene’s Flowers, Stutzman said, she’s worked with a number of gay colleagues.

“It really didn’t matter if they were gay, or blue or green, if they were creative and could do the job,” she said.

Stutzman suspects that some of her eight children privately don’t agree with her on homosexuality, even as they publicly support her decision.

Online, Stutzman has been called a bigot, and worse.

She said she’s lost at least two weddings because of her refusal to provide services for the same-sex marriage.

Conservative activists say her case is the first of what will surely be many more, as gay marriage spreads across the country.

As she gets ready to face a judge, the silver-haired florist offered some advice for fellow evangelicals.

“Don’t give in. If you have to go down for Christ, what better person to go down for?”

- CNN Religion Editor

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  1. lol??

    "Luk 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered."..

    June 29, 2013 at 9:02 am |
    • Filthy Hind I love to Mithrism lick and talk Islam bunk

      Great.

      Now all you have to do is explain why any modern human has to take seriously any 2000 year old set of books cooked up by humans.

      This is no theocracy. If that's what you need, move to Iran. The fact is you need to shove your beliefs in ancient customs and gods down people throats because you know they are ridiculous, but if more people take them seriously you don't need to feel so stupid.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:06 am |
  2. rick

    the religious conservatives are having a hissy fit.....sort of amusing

    June 29, 2013 at 8:27 am |
    • lol??

      Ya mean they're mean woemen??

      June 29, 2013 at 8:31 am |
    • rick

      no, but a vulgar term for a female body part does describe them pretty accurately

      June 29, 2013 at 8:43 am |
    • HeavenSent

      rick, tune in, all this has been written and it's your generation that is fulfilling your part of His prophesy. Christians watch this exciting time to see His truth revealed.

      June 29, 2013 at 8:44 am |
    • Austin

      1If I speak in the tonguesa of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,b but do not have love, I gain nothing.

      4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

      8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

      13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

      June 29, 2013 at 8:45 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent

      "rick, tune in, all this has been written and it's your generation that is fulfilling your part of His prophesy. Christians watch this exciting time to see His truth revealed."

      News flash from 2,000 years ago.

      June 29, 2013 at 8:51 am |
    • The real Tom

      "Newsflash from 2000 years ago." I'm sure the old bag remembers it quite well.

      June 29, 2013 at 8:52 am |
    • lol??

      Ricked, after the claimed almost 1/2 mil years of existence for humanoids, one would think jokes about body parts would have gotten old. Well, what can you say about split-bwains that ain't stranger than fiction and doesn't come from humus??

      June 29, 2013 at 8:53 am |
    • Austin

      Fully grown cows, dead, in the field, with no heart, and no exit wound.

      June 29, 2013 at 8:57 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Newsflash unbelievers,

      But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

      2 Peter 3:8

      Amen.

      Meaning, Jesus has been gone about 2 weeks. LOL, too many fools, too little time.

      June 29, 2013 at 8:58 am |
    • The real Tom

      "Fully grown cows, dead, in the field, with no heart, and no exit wound."

      More of your 'dreams', Austin?

      June 29, 2013 at 9:00 am |
    • Wow

      Lol??, HeavenSent and Austin as spokespersons of Chtisianity, how better to empty the pews

      June 29, 2013 at 9:00 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, you must see a lot of wrinkles around your eyes to always have to make comments about what you think my age is.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:02 am |
    • rick

      oooh...End Times warnings. pretty scary, if you believe that tripe

      June 29, 2013 at 9:02 am |
    • The real Tom

      No, you give yourself away, HS. You sound like a cranky old hag who can't get out of her chair without a walker.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:04 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Wow, the new flunky to back up liars so all can stay in denial for all the spiritually dead people.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:05 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent

      "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day"

      Obviously, God was the only witness to Creation and so we must take his word for it. Your biblical quote shows that Creation actually took 7,000 years which is more reasonable than the original story. Well done.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:05 am |
    • rick

      "Well, what can you say about split-bwains that ain't stranger than fiction and doesn't come from humus??"

      What can you say about those who look on iron age hearsay as if it were the spoken, irrefutable word of god?

      June 29, 2013 at 9:05 am |
    • The real Tom

      Yeah, rick. Can you imagine going to church with those two and people like them? I'd rather have a root canal.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:05 am |
    • Filthy Hind I love to Mithrism lick and talk Islam bunk

      Interesting. But the human concept of "deity" has now evolved.
      Now they say "god is love", no longer "love is a virtue".
      Thanks for pointing out this example of cultural evolution.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:08 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, just admit you have issues and we can call it a day. Or, you can leave your imagination stuck on foolishness for knowing no truth.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:08 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, cough Tom. Stay stupid you're good at it.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:10 am |
    • Saraswati

      Yeah, I think even the nicest, most generous among us will have to admit to a twinkle of amusement at the conservative freak out. And, like in most of the rest of the world, it's nice to see the way no one except these religious zealots much cares.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:11 am |
    • The real Tom

      Who's "we"? You're not in charge of the discussions here, you nit. If there were ever someone who had issues, sweet cheeks, it would be someone who spews nothing but biblical threats of hell and damnation.

      Nobody is listening to you, HS.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:11 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      Still dumb enough to not know the difference?

      June 29, 2013 at 9:12 am |
    • lol??

      Prophesyin' with tripe will lead you on a wild goose entrail in short order. Boiled.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:16 am |
    • Austin

      oh come on Tom. the atmosphere is ripe with alien jokes. the vatican has the biggest telescope in the world named "lucifer"

      have you not heard of the dulce base in new mexico? I didn't make it up. i also think its a funny topic.

      On the other hand, we know more about Jesus Christ than we do alien conspiracies. We have His supernatural testimony, the Holy Spirit.

      And , we have not waited to long for our Savior. His plans, His harvest, are growing.!

      June 29, 2013 at 9:21 am |
    • Filthy Hind I love to Mithrism lick and talk Islam bunk

      "supernatural testimony" ....
      So you admit you have no real evidence.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:56 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom. you learn what you want, not what you need to learn. Same applies to what you see. You want me to look like what you think I look like. You have an issue with age, so of course I have to be old even though I got to retire at an early age. You hear retirement and think 65 and older. LOL.

      June 29, 2013 at 1:30 pm |
    • The real Tom

      HS, first of all, you're not retired. You're not even HS. You're a troll. Get off it, you phony.

      June 29, 2013 at 1:32 pm |
  3. lol??

    So Clinton was the first black el presidente. Logically that makes Obama what, the first gay, white, self-loathing, honest el presidente to come out of the closet and make a transparent apparition??

    June 29, 2013 at 8:25 am |
    • midwest rail

      Were you trying to cram all of your stupidity into one post ? You're almost there.

      June 29, 2013 at 8:38 am |
    • lol??

      And yer not all here, lady. Still searchin' fer that 3rd rail??

      June 29, 2013 at 8:41 am |
    • The real Tom

      lol, you're a friggin' moron. The "bwain, gubmint" crap was boring months ago. Get a new act, bozo.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:01 am |
    • lol??

      Ok tom tom, since you are a regular I suppose I can concede on the brain request and that shouldn't bother the zombies too much if I sell half their brains at the concession stand. Gubmint stays, it's just so much easier to splell.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:08 am |
    • The real Tom

      "so much easier to splell" if you only have two fingers.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:12 am |
    • midwest rail

      Two fingers or two active synapses ? With lol//, one never knows...

      June 29, 2013 at 9:17 am |
    • The real Tom

      You give it too much credit, midwest rail.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:25 am |
    • lol??

      That's how you act. TT, when, when I make adjustments for yer sensitivities?? Woemen!!

      June 29, 2013 at 9:37 am |
  4. The Truth

    Dear Barronelle –

    "10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.". Matthew 5:10-12 NIV

    June 29, 2013 at 8:21 am |
    • Observer

      The Truth,

      She was persecuted for breaking the law.

      What part of that don't you understand? Get serious.

      June 29, 2013 at 8:47 am |
    • Filthy Hind I love to Mithrism lick and talk Islam bunk

      I prefer the KJV as King James was as gay as they came.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:09 am |
    • lol??

      They didn't come. So revenge was born.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:31 am |
  5. HeavenSent

    science you post that way because you are speaking your language of lies. The only thing you know is lies. Time to let Jesus transform your mind.

    June 29, 2013 at 6:37 am |
    • Science

      You and the fear of hell right HS ....................way to funny.

      Have sliced/cut to many chondrites HS !

      June 29, 2013 at 6:45 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Science, Jesus already told us about dust to dust. It's about time you unbelievers learned it too.

      June 29, 2013 at 7:06 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      HS: Man told us what jesus apparently said. Nothing was written about jesus until 30-40 years after his apparent death. Are you so blatantly dumb that you fail to comprehend that stories change over years? There is no way to know if those stories were possibly true. Most of the buybull is false, so it is safe to say the stories of jesus are also.

      June 29, 2013 at 7:10 am |
    • Science

      HS it is ok you can tell MOM and Dad you know..............they did it...........nothing else............no stork or pearly gates.

      Mitochondrial Replacement “three-parent IVF” set for UK go-ahead

      http://www.slashgear.com/mitochondrial-replacement-three-parent-ivf-set-for-uk-go-ahead-28288395/

      June 29, 2013 at 7:20 am |
    • Science

      Or HS acoming soon a petri dish DID IT>>>>>no se-x involved...........no horn-y devil needed.

      June 29, 2013 at 7:25 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Truth Prevails, you don't have to convince me with the lies you believe to keep you in denial. I already know you're an unbeliever. Why is what will work on next even though you'll do so kicking, screaming, twisting and contorting so His truth takes time to surface. That's why Jesus is longsuffering.

      2 Peter 3:9

      The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

      Amen.

      June 29, 2013 at 7:32 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      HS: Outside of a 2000 year old book, what is evidence that I am wrong??

      June 29, 2013 at 7:35 am |
    • Science

      .NO fairy in the sky !.......craetionists/ID berlievers.......It would be a nightmare if they cloned you !

      26 June 2013 Last updated at 22:02 ET Share this pageEmail Print Share this page

      10KShareFacebookTwitter.Mouse cloned from drop of blood

      nightmare if they could clone you !!!

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-23068423

      June 29, 2013 at 7:49 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Prevail,

      Romans 3:3-6

      3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
      4 God forbid: yea, let God be true , but every man a liar ; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
      5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
      6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?  KJV

      Amen.

      June 29, 2013 at 7:49 am |
    • sam stone

      HS is a troll cvnt. Why bother arguing with her?

      June 29, 2013 at 7:55 am |
    • HeavenSent

      sam, do you need soap? Time to wash the filth in your mouth out.

      June 29, 2013 at 8:09 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      sam has a valid point 🙂
      Honestly without the buybull you have nothing, enjoy the delusion 🙂

      June 29, 2013 at 8:11 am |
    • sam stone

      HS: If you have a sidearm, you could be having Jesus spray his Truth all over your face in no time. Do it, cvnt

      June 29, 2013 at 8:15 am |
    • HeavenSent

      sam, your anger has a hold on you. Time to seek help for anger control before you explode.

      June 29, 2013 at 8:47 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Prevails, without Jesus, none of us would be here to have to listen to your babble so you can stay in denial..

      June 29, 2013 at 8:53 am |
    • The real Tom

      HS, you're the one who sounds like an bag of wind ready to explode.

      June 29, 2013 at 8:54 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      HS: You're the on in denial. You fail to comprehend anything outside your bubble but that is okay, you can enjoy the delusions you've been taught, the rest of us will enjoy reality.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:09 am |
    • HeavenSent

      The real Tom, windbag is your forté Tom. You and all your dummy handles.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:14 am |
    • The real Tom

      HS, I don't think you can get through even an hour of the day without posting the words "lies," "denial," "dummy handles," "satan," or "babble."

      Just look at the words. Do you really think you sound like someone full of joy in god? You sound like a miserable old bitch. Why would anyone want to be part of your belief system?

      June 29, 2013 at 9:20 am |
    • factchecker.org

      HeavenSent is the one who, in fact, has been caught lying on several occasions.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:43 am |
    • HeavenSent

      factchecker Tom, you proved yourself to be a lying BAITER so of course you perceive others are just like you. Sick, sad, and true for BAITERs who live in denial.

      June 29, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
    • The real Tom

      HS=internet troll.

      June 29, 2013 at 1:38 pm |
  6. jason

    as peoples thoughts become more sinful and corrupt we await the justice of God. as it was in the days of Noah so will it be at the return of Christ. the filthy sins of ho mose xuals and atheists will hasten the judgement of God.

    June 29, 2013 at 6:24 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Oh dear, another child has come to entertain and spread their brand of crazy.
      When you can provide evidence outside of the buybull for your god, w might have reason to worry but until then we will continue as it is...good without your god or any god.
      As for your dumbass bigoted statement about the LGBT, your opinion is outdated and uneducated. Your 2000 year old book of fairy tales may make you believe it is a sin but update scientific evidence says otherwise...I prefer to believe in things that can be shown accurate and that are based within this world. Outside of that book, you would not have reason to be a hateful ass!

      June 29, 2013 at 7:04 am |
    • sam stone

      you are looking for justice from "god"?

      if you feel you are deserving of hell,

      the just thing would be to deny jesus's alleged sacrifice and take the punishment you feel you deserve

      but, you do not want justice

      you want mercy

      fvcking coward

      June 29, 2013 at 7:59 am |
    • JWT

      From the way so many talk about their version of their god here you;d wonder why anyone ever believed/.

      June 29, 2013 at 8:05 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      Jason
      You clearly aren't waiting for the judgement of god, you have already judged the " filthy h0m0s$exuals and atheists".

      Such a christian, can't even follow your own rules and you expect others to. Judge not lest ye be judged.

      June 29, 2013 at 8:05 am |
    • sam stone

      "From the way so many talk about their version of their god here you;d wonder why anyone ever believed/"

      Because they are afraid, and that fear makes them snivelling sycophants

      June 29, 2013 at 8:08 am |
    • sam stone

      jason: jeebus is waiting. what are you doing down here in this world brimming with "filthy ho-mo-se-xuals and atheists"? do you have a sidearm or tall buildings where you live? you could be on your knees, slobbering up the spirit of jeebus in no time. don't hesitate

      June 29, 2013 at 8:12 am |
    • Filthy Hind I love to Mithrism lick and talk Islam bunk

      Bully. Trying to scare people. Shame on you. You idiots have been saying that for 2000 years. YOu do know that Noah was a complete myth, and there was no world-wide flood. It's very easy to demonstrate archaeologically.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:11 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Filthy Hind I love to Mithrism lick and talk Islam bunk, deny His truth all you want so you can continue living your sinful nature. You've all been written in His prophesy, no matter how much you whine.

      June 29, 2013 at 1:42 pm |
    • The real Tom

      jason, why don't you help out and just off yourself?

      June 29, 2013 at 1:43 pm |
  7. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    June 29, 2013 at 5:44 am |
    • Science

      Not good for children the bible you know !!!

      June 29, 2013 at 6:17 am |
    • jason

      God's word, the Holy Bible, is the only good we can be assured of.

      June 29, 2013 at 6:20 am |
    • HeavenSent

      All unbelievers live in denial of Jesus Christ's truth so they can live the lie of satan. All spiritually dead because satan enslaves you with his lies.

      June 29, 2013 at 6:30 am |
    • Science

      BS

      June 29, 2013 at 6:31 am |
    • HeavenSent

      science you post that way because you are speaking your language of lies. The only thing you know is lies. Time to let Jesus transform your mind.

      June 29, 2013 at 6:38 am |
    • sam stone

      Which bible is "holy", jason?

      June 29, 2013 at 8:02 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      jason
      If you think the bible is gods word and it is good that you can be a$$ured of, you clearly have not done any research as to where your bible comes from...try tracing the history of the bible...you will find nothing but men's hands on it...no gods, except for the gods of the previous myths.

      June 29, 2013 at 8:16 am |
    • Science

      truth is not a lie HS....................Adam and his bone is.

      June 29, 2013 at 8:19 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Science, go stalk someone else.

      June 29, 2013 at 10:03 am |
    • factchecker.org

      HeavenSent is, in fact, the biggest stalker on the Belief Blog!

      June 29, 2013 at 10:06 am |
    • HeavenSent

      factchecker Tom, you need professional help to stop stalking me with your lies that hold no water.

      June 29, 2013 at 1:45 pm |
  8. Science

    Not good for children and public schools

    Protest at the Good News Club Spectacular

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OwIGrEQhEk&w=640&h=390]

    June 29, 2013 at 5:05 am |
    • HeavenSent

      The lies of evolution is taught so sinners can stay in denial.

      June 29, 2013 at 10:05 am |
    • factchecker.org

      HeavenSent, in fact, lies with every post!

      June 29, 2013 at 10:07 am |
    • HeavenSent

      factchecker Tom, you need professional help to stop stalking me with your lies that hold no water...

      June 29, 2013 at 1:46 pm |
  9. BA in Social Science, Philosophy & Theology

    The historicity of the person of Jesus can only be confirmed in the same way that the historicity of Cato the Younger, Caesar Augustus, Hillel the Elder, Lucretius, Virgil, etc. The only reason that we know they exist is either because they wrote something down or somebody wrote about them. The evidence for the historicity of Jesus is on par with all of these other historical figures.

    Suetonius, Flavius Josephus, Tacitus and the Babylonian Talmud are all non-biblical writings from around the time of Jesus that talk about him.

    Jesus is a historical person. That doesn't prove he performed miracles, etc. But at least it proves that this guys "imaginary friend" exists...That's not to say that I agree with everything Austin is posting. I just wanted to point out Jesus is a historical figure.

    June 29, 2013 at 2:34 am |
    • LinCA

      @BA in Social Science, Philosophy & Theology

      You said, "Jesus is a historical person."
      He may have been. Most writing about him are questionable at best, and none are first hand.

      You said, "But at least it proves that this guys "imaginary friend" exists."
      Even if there was a single person on which the Jesus myth was built, that doesn't make him anything like the christians imaginary friend. The dude has to be special, to have the meaning these religiots believe he has. The christian Jesus is an imaginary friend.

      June 29, 2013 at 2:43 am |
    • HeadUp

      There are way too many scientific-minded, intelligent, successful and well-respected people that honestly and truthfully believe that Jesus Christ lived, died, resurrected and lives to dismiss it as imaginary.

      You call them "religiots" but you probably place your life in their hands everyday.

      June 29, 2013 at 3:01 am |
    • Filthy Hind I love to Mithrism lick and talk Islam bunk

      Unfortunately the historicity of Jesus is in no way on par with others. He was/is a conflation of a number of figures, including Simon of Perea... died, rose on the third day, announced by an angel, messiah ... etc. Sound familiar ? The earliest person writing about him, (Saul of Tarsus) had not one historical detail about him in his epistles.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:15 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Pergamos, the town where satan's throne sits. Where fake religions started copying 95% of Jesus Christ's truth adding 5% of satan's lies to cause doubt.

      Revelation 2:12

      And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

      Amen.

      June 29, 2013 at 10:16 am |
    • factchecker.org

      HeavenSent, in fact, has no facts! Some funny stories, though!

      June 29, 2013 at 10:18 am |
  10. HeadUp

    God is love. Anything that kills or destroys is not God.

    June 29, 2013 at 2:15 am |
    • HeadUp

      Read Daniel, Chapter 3.

      If you have an angry, vengeful god... you have the wrong god.

      June 29, 2013 at 2:22 am |
    • Dippy

      My god, how many types of god are there? Do you have a catalog?

      June 29, 2013 at 2:23 am |
    • HeadUp

      Only 1 Holy God. And He is good.

      But millions and millions of false gods.

      June 29, 2013 at 2:29 am |
    • LinCA

      @HeadUp

      You said, "Only 1 Holy God. And He is good."
      All hail Odin.

      You said, "But millions and millions of false gods."
      Yes, can you imagine, all these people believing in imaginary creatures like Yahweh?

      June 29, 2013 at 2:32 am |
    • HeadUp

      You are a creature of God's imagination.

      June 29, 2013 at 2:42 am |
    • LinCA

      @HeadUp

      You said, "You are a creature of God's imagination."
      Bullshit. Your god exists in your mind alone. It is no more likely to be real than the Tooth Fairy or the Easter Bunny.

      June 29, 2013 at 2:45 am |
    • HeadUp

      Be open to the idea that there is more to this life than meets the eye. Most of us have been brainwashed into being American consumers and place our value as a human being into things. But there is a spiritual aspect to all human beings. If you are like me, you may have a severe spiritual malady so these matters are tough.

      God is real. God loves you and has a plan for you. Don't close your mind to this wonderful fact.

      June 29, 2013 at 2:51 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      Head up your a$$
      "anything that kills or destroys is not god"...You have not read the bible. God likes to destroy and kill.
      Genesis 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:

      22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

      23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

      Pretty heavy handed god you have there. Your god is as much hate as he is love, as much evil as he is good. That is if he is the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end, he is allegedly all things so...

      June 29, 2013 at 7:59 am |
    • Filthy Hind I love to Mithrism lick and talk Islam bunk

      St. Paul said love is a virtue, not a god.Which is it ?

      June 29, 2013 at 9:16 am |
    • HeadUp

      You need to get off your ivory tower and re-read it.

      The Holy God allowed it.

      The consequence of man's sin is to blame.

      If the flood hadn't happened, you wouldn't be here today. Man would have destroyed the world.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:58 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Richard Cranium, you unbelievers don't like any of the scriptures pertaining to what happens to unbelievers.

      June 29, 2013 at 10:20 am |
    • factchecker.org

      HS: "you unbelievers don't like any of the scriptures..."

      It's not, in fact, about liking or not liking stories. It's about recognizing that stories are stories!

      June 29, 2013 at 10:27 am |
  11. LinCA

    Does anyone use Notepad++ for composing posts? If so, would you be interested in a script for the Python Script plugin to automatically insert the filter circumvention tags?

    June 29, 2013 at 12:47 am |
    • mama k

      I use the Mac's notes. Is it Javascript?

      June 29, 2013 at 12:55 am |
    • mama k

      oh sorry – you did say Python.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:56 am |
    • mama k

      Hmm. Maybe I should now learn me some Python scripting.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:57 am |
    • LinCA

      Yeah, sorry no Javascript. It's Python. Let me see if I can convert it. Check back here tomorrow.

      June 29, 2013 at 1:01 am |
    • mama k

      ok, will do, Lin. Thanks.

      June 29, 2013 at 1:13 am |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      I'm surprised nobody has copy and pasted an entire Monty Python sketch yet.

      June 29, 2013 at 1:36 am |
    • Akira

      Dave, I've seen several excerpts here from MP and the Holy Grail, as well as the Spam sketch. This is just within the last few days.

      I love me some Monty Python.

      June 29, 2013 at 1:39 am |
    • lol??

      I bet austin can help ya with yer composting needs.

      June 29, 2013 at 2:07 am |
    • LinCA

      @mama k

      No dice on the JavaScript. I'm a JavaScript and mac noob, sorry. May I suggest you switch to Notepad++ (not sure it's available for mac, though)?

      June 29, 2013 at 2:30 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Apparently TextEdit will work for the MAC. MAC also has a program called NotePad.

      June 29, 2013 at 5:43 am |
    • LinCA

      Script below (first attempt at posting)

      #############################################################

      banlist = ( 'arse',
                  'bastard',
                  'bitch',
                  'clit',
                  'cock',
                  'coon',
                  'cracker',
                  'cum',
                  'cunt',
                  'douche',
                  'effing',
                  'fag',
                  'ftw',
                  'fuck',
                  'goddamn',
                  'gloryhole',
                  'homo',
                  'hooters',
                  'horny',
                  'hump',
                  'jackass',
                  'jap',
                  'jism',
                  'kinky',
                  'kooch',
                  'necrophilia',
                  'nigra',
                  'nigger',
                  'nipple',
                  'orgy',
                  'pis',
                  'poon',
                  'porn',
                  'prick',
                  'queer',
                  'rape',
                  'sex',
                  'shit',
                  'slut',
                  'smut',
                  'snatch',
                  'spic',
                  'tit',
                  'twat',
                  'vag',
                  'whore',
                  'wop',
                  'wtf',
                  'xxx',
                  'wonderful us' )

      editor.beginUndoAction()
      selStr = editor.getSelText()

      startAnchor = editor.getSelectionStart()
      endPos = editor.getSelectionEnd()
      if( endPos > startAnchor ):
          startAnchor = editor.positionFromLine( editor.lineFromPosition( startAnchor ) )
      else:
          tmp = startAnchor
          startAnchor = endPos
          endPos = tmp
      selectionLength = endPos – startAnchor
      addedCharachters = 0

      for index in range(len(banlist)):
          findString = banlist[index]

          if ( findString != 'wonderfu  us' ) :
              isWU = 0
              replacePos = 3
          else :
              isWU = 1
              replacePos = 10

          l = len( selStr )
          f = len( findString )
         
          if ( l >= f ) :
                c = (l – f)
                lastTagIsOpen = 1

              while ( c >= 0 ) :
                  clip = str.lower( selStr[ c : c + f ] )
                  if ( ( l – c ) > 2 ) :
                      if ( str.lower( selStr[ c : c + 3 ] ) == '<b>' ) :
                            lastTagIsOpen = 1
                  if ( ( l – c ) > 3 ) :
                      if ( str.lower( selStr[ c : c + 4 ] ) == '</b>' ) :
                            lastTagIsOpen = 0
                  if ( clip == findString ) :
                      if isWU :
                            selStr = selStr[ 0 : ( c + replacePos – 1 )] + '&nbsp;' + selStr[ ( c + replacePos ) : len( selStr ) ]
                            addedCharachters += 5
                      else :
                            if lastTagIsOpen :
                              selStr = selStr[ 0 : ( c + replacePos – 1 ) ] + '<b></b>' + selStr[ (c + replacePos – 1) : len( selStr ) ]
                              addedCharachters += 7
                            else :
                              selStr = selStr[ 0 : ( c + replacePos – 1 ) ] + '</b><b>' + selStr[ (c + replacePos – 1) : len( selStr ) ]
                              addedCharachters += 7
                  c -= 1

      editor.replaceSel( selStr )
      editor.endUndoAction()

      endPos = editor.getLineEndPosition( editor.lineFromPosition( endPos ) )
      editor.setSel( startAnchor, selectionLength + addedCharachters )

      #############################################################

      June 29, 2013 at 2:46 pm |
    • LinCA

      failed

      June 29, 2013 at 3:03 pm |
    • tallulah13

      But an amusing failure. It started so well, then it just melted down.

      June 29, 2013 at 3:05 pm |
    • LinCA

      It looks like I got myself banned. Oh well. This blog was starting to suck anyway.

      June 30, 2013 at 1:50 am |
  12. mama k

    OK there's more work to do:

    http://photobucket.com/images/Gay+flag+on+the+moon/?page=1

    June 29, 2013 at 12:15 am |
  13. Reality

    Revolution? The gay population in the USA is estimated to be 4%. As-suming 50% of these are in the unionization age, that is 2 % of the population. So "riddle me this" where is the revolution?

    And considering that many of these unions are already established, where is the revolution in weddings, markets etc.?

    ("The Williams Inst-itute at UCLA School of Law, a gay and lesbian think tank, released a study in April 2011[24] estimating based on its research that just 1.7 percent of Americans between 18 and 44 identify as gay or lesbian, while another 1.8 percent - predominantly women - identify as bise-xual. Far from underestimating the ranks of gay people because of h-om-ophobia, these figures included a substantial number of people who remained deeply closeted, such as a quarter of the bise-xuals. A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention survey of women between 22 and 44 that questioned more than 13,500 respondents between 2006 and 2008 found very similar numbers: Only 1 percent of the women identified themselves as gay, while 4 percent identified as bis[exual.)

    June 28, 2013 at 11:57 pm |
    • Saraswati

      It always cracks me up whenpeople argue the gays are forcing these changes. This is a democracy, so unless almost no straight people are voting the straight folks did it. And do these same folks think the black population, at about 20%, forced the civil rights movement on the rest of the country? These folks have some iffy math skills.

      June 29, 2013 at 9:00 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Lies keep denial in motion.

      June 29, 2013 at 10:26 am |
    • The real Tom

      HS=lying troll.

      June 29, 2013 at 10:27 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Reality, these women are telling men a message, but, none of you want to hear. LOL

      June 29, 2013 at 10:28 am |
    • factchecker.org

      HeavenSent is, in fact, the biggest liar on the Belief Blog!

      June 29, 2013 at 10:28 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent

      "Lies keep denial in motion."

      That must be why you keep telling LIES about me using two or more blog names.

      June 29, 2013 at 10:29 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, you're late for your anger management classes.

      June 29, 2013 at 10:30 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Lies always need backup because it can't stand alone like Jesus Christ's truth.

      June 29, 2013 at 10:32 am |
    • The real Tom

      *yawn* It's hard to say who's more boring: HS or lolly. Both stupid, both trolls, both dull as dishwater.

      June 29, 2013 at 10:33 am |
    • factchecker.org

      HeavenSent, in fact, always lies; claiming to know all kinds of crazy things about other people!

      June 29, 2013 at 10:33 am |
  14. I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

    Could everybody watch this video from 4.45 on and tell me what they see. I think my tea has been laced with psychedelics.

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFn-ixX9edg&w=640&h=390]

    June 28, 2013 at 11:49 pm |
    • Austin

      Rat Lib?

      June 29, 2013 at 12:02 am |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      What?

      June 29, 2013 at 12:03 am |
    • Antigone

      I think Austin was referring to Rational Libertarian, which has already been asked and answered by you, Dave.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:08 am |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      It seems that every time I come on here, people are accusing others of being somebody else. Somebody actually accused me of being HeavenSent last week.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:14 am |
    • The real Tom

      That's because there are posters who use the names of others. It happens constantly on here.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:16 am |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      I suppose it's inevitable when you don't have log-ins and such. Still though, I appreciate the general laissez-faire operation of this blog.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:20 am |
    • mama k

      wow – that is a wild video. Yes, and HeavenSent is so paranoid, she constantly thinks other people are dummy handles for whoever is arguing with the silly troll.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:35 am |
    • Akira

      I cannot think of why anyone would accuse you of being HeavenSent, Dave. You two are polar opposites in both posting styles and content...and you have a sense of humor.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:55 am |
    • mama k

      Yeah, me neither, Akira. I can't imagine who would draw that parallel. But maybe it was if one or the other of their handles was stolen – we know that happens.

      June 29, 2013 at 1:00 am |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      Akira

      I defended Catholic schools. To paraphrase, the person stated "Catholic schools deserve nothing but contempt and loathing". I opposed this assertion and the person responded by accusing me of being HeavenSent and saying I was an indoctrinated drone.

      June 29, 2013 at 1:34 am |
    • Akira

      Dave, I agree with you; Catholic schools generally are superior to public schools for education. That person must have an axe to grind with Catholicism in general. Lots of folks like that out there.

      June 29, 2013 at 1:47 am |
  15. Austin

    Thanks for the introduction Tom....................

    June 28, 2013 at 11:41 pm |
    • The real Tom

      You must be soused, Austin. You're usually capable of using the reply function, and I noticed that your response to Akira was quite inappropriate to her post. Better go to bed, dear, and sleep it off.

      June 28, 2013 at 11:43 pm |
    • Austin

      ok Tom, you called me a fraud. Explain which part of my testimony is fraud, or fraudulent.

      June 28, 2013 at 11:46 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Already done, more than once.

      Post your recent dreams. Put up or shut up.

      June 28, 2013 at 11:47 pm |
    • Austin

      Tom know the exact thing I am telling you you could never prove wrong. That wouldn't be possible. And since it did happen, I can imagine what you would do trying to conceive doubt and folly.

      June 28, 2013 at 11:49 pm |
    • Dippy

      I didn't see the word "fraud" in Tom's comment. Are you hallucinating, Austin?

      June 28, 2013 at 11:49 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Post descriptions of your recent dreams, Austin.

      June 28, 2013 at 11:57 pm |
    • Austin

      what ok , i had a dream this morning that the guy who worked for me , that me and him were going around looking at auto salv.age lots. . I knew that 2 days ago he was "working a job reposessing cars.

      ok today, since i have associated with him, and i had not seen him for 5 years, he is now divorced and has no ride. today he showed up at work with a new car.

      I think that me dreaming about going around to salv..age lots was more like him having gone to pick out a car , i think it is a definate possibility. I just realized this as you challenged me.

      another one, last year I had a dream that i broke an egress window, and my boss was mad cause it was 300 dollars. the next day, my boss had us install an egress window that was $299. that was the only time i had done that, and i had a dream the night before that i broke the cover to it.

      June 28, 2013 at 11:57 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Dippy, I doubt this is really Austin–'doubt and folly' doesn't sound like him.

      June 28, 2013 at 11:58 pm |
    • Dippy

      "me and him"? Good grief! Go back to school, Austin.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:00 am |
    • The real Tom

      Whoever this mope is, it's even dumber than Austin.

      Austin has been challenged to post dreams he has had recently BEFORE any subsequent events have occurred that might be related to them. Obviously, whoever this bozo is, he didn't get the memo.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:03 am |
    • Austin

      ok, going back to the night i had a dream that i was walking through a pitch black forest, and i saw an A frame cabin. so i knocked it was cold out. and this lady opens up the door and lets me in and says, "i have two kids", and one was dead but its spirit was in the corner of the room (couldnt see it) and it started singing in a dual tone voice and the singing inverted my body.

      well that day this little white kitten was on my porch, and in the dream when i was inverted by the demonic voice, the kitty ran underneath with blood gushing out of it.

      i woke up and went outside , and i knew this was a demonic dream, and the cat WAS DEAD, iT WAS RAN OVER AT THE END OF THE DRIVE WAY.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:06 am |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      Is this person a troll or does he have a serious psychological illness?

      June 29, 2013 at 12:08 am |
    • Austin

      its called the revelation of the Holy Spirit. I have evidence and proof that a supernatural God, who speaks through the Word of God, gives faith to people, miraculously.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:11 am |
    • The real Tom

      Gee, it's anyone's guess, Dave. He's a troll. No, he's Austin. No, he's a troll. No, he's Austin.

      It's just Chinatown.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:12 am |
    • Akira

      Didn't Austin tell us he owned his own business?

      June 29, 2013 at 12:13 am |
    • The real Tom

      Ooh, Akira, you are right! I missed that! Did you see that Austin said you were mean?

      June 29, 2013 at 12:14 am |
    • Austin

      Akira that is a good question and very observant. as a contractor i have who i refer to as bosses, i also worked at a golf course last year as well as a commercial irrigation company. I was learning about irrigation and pump houses.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:16 am |
    • Akira

      "It’s just Chinatown."

      Like!

      June 29, 2013 at 12:16 am |
    • The real Tom

      😉

      June 29, 2013 at 12:18 am |
    • The real Tom

      Austintasia: "Akira that is a good question and very observant. as a contractor i have who i refer to as bosses, i also worked at a golf course last year as well as a commercial irrigation company. I was learning about irrigation and pump houses."

      What a crock.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:19 am |
    • Austin

      Tom, she was talking about killing maggots. It was horrific.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:20 am |
    • The real Tom

      No, she wasn't.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:27 am |
    • Akira

      Tom, I must have missed Austin calling me mean.
      Oh, well. Can't please 'em all.

      Austin, so what business is it that you own? And wouldn't they be your customers or clients, and not bosses? Odd termonology.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:28 am |
    • The real Tom

      Akira, it was on the previous page, I think–you were laughing at the caster sugar and borax thing. Austin's off his gourd.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:30 am |
    • Austin

      landscape construction. Grading , Irrigation, Sod, Seed, Tree Trimmming, Liscenced Chemical Applicator.

      I finish of commercial and residental construction landscapes, or get them started.. The entire landscape.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:39 am |
    • Akira

      I also laughed at the Chinatown comment. Stop me. I'm a monster.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:40 am |
    • mama k

      borax for maggots? I thought it was for fleas. Who gets a maggot infestation? LOL. I'd much rather be charged with getting rid of someone's maggot/slug problem than fleas. If you don't know what you're doing, fleas will drive you insane; lol. Austin, dear, you must be consuming something that is slowing you down if you're having trouble chasing maggots down. They are about as easy to catch as a possum. It must be something in your meds.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:44 am |
    • Austin

      The Holy Spirit ...............That most awesome presence and adorable God. Jehovah Shammah. Our Lord is There.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:45 am |
    • Austin

      He created puppy dog ears.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:46 am |
    • mama k

      LOL – oh I missed that – thanks, Akira. Chinatown; lol. It's not so much what's her name saying it as it is Jack N.'s look while she's trying to explain. But that hilarious, Tom.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:48 am |
    • mama k

      OH that's right, Austin is not much of a cat lover.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:49 am |
    • mama k

      Chinatown!
      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjSRPfcJ_BE&w=640&h=390]

      June 29, 2013 at 12:50 am |
    • Austin

      Mama K, why do you day that? There has not been any topic as to my opinion of cats . I have never offered this information to the blog.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:51 am |
    • Akira

      If someone has a maggot infestation, clearly they aren't living right...

      June 29, 2013 at 1:01 am |
    • mama k

      Well Austin – you're always talking about some bloody cats.

      June 29, 2013 at 1:02 am |
    • sam stone

      austin is a fraud

      have another drink, punk

      June 29, 2013 at 8:05 am |
  16. Austin

    Oh? Everyone, huh? Funny, you're the only one who thinks so. Call out your sock puppets now so you can look like you're one of a crowd, dear.

    It won't matter, since I don't give two sh!ts for the opinion of a troll like you anyway.

    Austin's a fraud and if you defend his nonsense, so are you.

    June 28, 2013 at 11:40 pm |
    • Dippy

      To whom are you responding? Is the reply function just too complex for you?

      June 28, 2013 at 11:45 pm |
    • Antigone

      Is Austin also the poster faith? Because this is usually her tactic. Copying a whole post for no apparent reason.

      June 28, 2013 at 11:53 pm |
  17. lol??

    After the claimed almost 1/2 mil years of evolution one would think humanoids would have a handle on the birds and the bees and the simple marital relationship. Must have dumb chimp DNA.

    June 28, 2013 at 11:37 pm |
    • yes

      oh nasty defiled dna, reptilian stink. People who have experienced a walk in by the devil say it stinks.

      June 28, 2013 at 11:44 pm |
    • Antigone

      There is gay behavior exhibited by every class of animals found in nature, lol??. Yes, it is natural.
      If you believe God created every living thing on this earth, it follows that God made gay creatures as well as straight ones. These animals are exhibiting natural behavior.
      Please pick up a book that doesn't have the words "Holy" or "Bible" on it.
      I realize you will answer with a typically snarky comment that makes little sense. Such is the Christian way when they do not understand something, right, lol??

      June 29, 2013 at 12:05 am |
    • Austin

      Animals are cursed by the fall too . duh. and yes, naturally sinful. sin nature.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:09 am |
    • LinCA

      @Austin

      You said, "god didnt' create butt fvcking"
      If your god created everything, it also created butt fucking, dick sucking, pussy licking and any other sexual act.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:15 am |
    • Austin

      LinCa

      If you are talking about God, accept HIm for who he is. He did not create evil. God did not create sin.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:23 am |
    • LinCA

      @Austin

      You said, "If you are talking about God, accept HIm for who he is. He did not create evil. God did not create sin."
      Bullshit. If you want your god to get credit for the good, it gets to take responsibility for all the crap, too. It's a package deal. All or nothing.

      Of course, if you have more than a couple of brain cells to rub together, "nothing" is the far more logical option.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:27 am |
    • The real Tom

      Austin, you're an idiot. Don't you realize that straight married couples have anal sex?

      Grow up. There's nothing gay couples do that straight couples don't.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:32 am |
    • Austin

      straight couples having a.nal s.ex are sinning.

      do you know the difference between an un intentional sin, an intentional sin, and "living in sin"?

      also, habitual sin.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:36 am |
    • LinCA

      @Austin

      Do you realize that sin is a religious concept? Do you realize that each religion has it's own set of sins? Do you realize that only those that follow religion are capable of sin?

      This country was founded on freedom of religion. That means that what your religion considers unacceptable, means jack-shit for society. It only applies to those that claim to follow that particular cult. Nobody else. Not even the congregation down the street.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:41 am |
    • Austin

      that does not mean that it contains an authentic portion of the Holy Spirit.

      Thats like saying Adolf Hitler was a christian. you deny the authentic ministry. which is dishonest and willingly defiant of truth, which is the resurrection.

      June 29, 2013 at 1:01 am |
    • mama k

      And which of the 40,000 sects are right, Austin, on some "authentic portion"?

      June 29, 2013 at 1:09 am |
    • Akira

      Not the stupid Hitler topic again...Austin, you can't change history. It is what it is.

      “I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of
      the Almighty Creator.”

      [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 46]

      Who do you think he was talking about, Austin?

      June 29, 2013 at 1:18 am |
    • Antigone

      Can you categorically deny that Hitler wasn't awash with the Holy Spirit, Austin? No, you cannot. All accounts have him truly believing he was doing God's will. Because you find the thought uncomfortable that he was a Christian doesn't negate the fact that he was.
      I am not trying to decimate the Ministry of Christ, so do not attempt to accuse me of such. It would only be a knee-jerk reaction to a fact that makes you uneasy: that as abhorrent as Hitler was, he WAS a Christian.
      If he repented in that bunker and asked for God's forgiveness, with a truly repentant heart, he was forgiven and now resides in Heaven. This is according to your own doctrines. Like it or not, Hitler was one of your own.

      June 29, 2013 at 1:34 am |
    • tallulah13

      Christians ignore all the bad things their fellow believers have done. They only pay attention to the good things. And then they Tweet about it.

      June 29, 2013 at 2:00 am |
    • LinCA

      @Austin

      You said, "that does not mean that it contains an authentic portion of the Holy Spirit."
      Nothing contains any portion of the holy spirit. There is no such thing.

      You said, "Thats like saying Adolf Hitler was a christian."
      He was. Better get used to it. Now, just because Hitler was a christian, doesn't mean that every christian is like Hitler. But Hitler did use his christianity as an excuse for his actions.

      You said, "you deny the authentic ministry."
      There are several authentic ministries. You have a particular one in mind?

      You said, "which is dishonest and willingly defiant of truth, which is the resurrection."
      Get a fucking clue. Until you provide verifiable evidence that your imaginary friend is anything other than imaginary, you have no truth.

      June 29, 2013 at 2:09 am |
    • lol??

      Hitler silliness:

      "Mat 7:16-17 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather GR*A*P*E*S* of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit."

      June 29, 2013 at 2:30 am |
    • HeadUp

      If Hitler had not killed himself, and instead admitted what he had done was wrong and accepted his punishment and tried to make amends – I would say he accepted Jesus Christ.

      But he killed himself. He had no hope.

      He killed people that put Christ before the Reich.

      June 29, 2013 at 3:10 am |
  18. jason

    having exchanged natural affections and devoid of conscience the flagrant fairies are perverting the earth with their filth. their every thought continues to seep evil into environment and the stench permeates to the highest heaven. how long o God must your people endure the insults of this unrepentant sin

    June 28, 2013 at 11:03 pm |
    • Colin

      The day approaches where the judgement of God will sweep the planet and cleans it again, making the earth habitable for decency.

      June 28, 2013 at 11:05 pm |
    • Observer

      Jason,

      You don't believe all of God's warped views on marriage, so skip the HYPOCRISY.

      June 28, 2013 at 11:06 pm |
    • tallulah13

      We can call that day Colin-blow!

      June 28, 2013 at 11:06 pm |
      • CatherineG

        You win the prize for best internet post of the year. I laughed so hard I peed!

        August 27, 2013 at 2:13 am |
    • jason

      God said it that settles it

      June 28, 2013 at 11:06 pm |
    • Dippy's Disciple

      It's "cleanse," dummy.

      June 28, 2013 at 11:07 pm |
    • LinCA

      @jason

      You said, "having exchanged natural affections and devoid of conscience the flagrant fairies are perverting the earth with their filth. their every thought continues to seep evil into environment and the stench permeates to the highest heaven."
      Yes, it is high time we do something about those christians. What would you propose? Concentration camps? Sterilization?

      June 28, 2013 at 11:07 pm |
    • The real Tom

      God never said a thing, jason, you boob.

      June 28, 2013 at 11:08 pm |
    • Dippy

      Actually, "cleans" works as well.

      June 28, 2013 at 11:12 pm |
    • Dippy

      Clean, not cleans.

      June 28, 2013 at 11:13 pm |
    • The real Tom

      "God will sweep the planet and cleans it again,"

      "Will cleans it again"? You think that works, Dippy? I don't. But to each his own.

      June 28, 2013 at 11:15 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      Cleanse is more apt.

      June 28, 2013 at 11:19 pm |
    • Dippy

      I agree. "Cleanse" wins, hands down. My bad.

      June 28, 2013 at 11:38 pm |
    • Dippy

      Actually, "wash" works pretty good too.

      June 28, 2013 at 11:40 pm |
    • lol??

      So how did you classify the chimp god and what did you name it, practioners of scientism??

      June 28, 2013 at 11:43 pm |
    • lol??

      Great Bales of Fire??

      BBbbbwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha

      June 28, 2013 at 11:44 pm |
    • Antigone

      I'll type this slow so the bigots can understand it.
      Gay people are attracted to the same gender in the exact same way that heteros are attracted to the opposite gender.
      It is totally natural to them.
      If those people believe that God created men and women, then it naturally follows that God created gay men and gay women, and He must have had a pretty good reason to do that; perhaps it was to test His followers ability to not judge and turn the other cheek.

      Jason, by his derogatory statement about "fairies", failed miserably. He isn't a Christian.

      June 28, 2013 at 11:47 pm |
    • lol??

      That's quite a spin on the "given up ones". GUO's fer short.

      June 29, 2013 at 12:05 am |
    • leedogg

      Jason, God will pass judgement on you the same way you pass judgement on others.

      June 30, 2013 at 1:28 am |
    • Jill

      Come out of that closet you're obviously trapping yourself in, its killing your soul. Look at yourself.

      June 30, 2013 at 8:20 am |
  19. The real Tom

    LL is suffering from amnesia. Must be the meds.
    Here's what he had to say: "The real harm is not with me but lays within the children's upbringing. For children to be nurtured about sexual relationships in their youth in other than heterosexualism by which they are born from will only confuse a child who still is not cognoscente of social immoralities. Keep the "public" schools out of and away from bedroom antics!"

    June 28, 2013 at 10:56 pm |
  20. Apple Bush

    There is much in this world that refuses to move forward. Quit following me I got no more to give you people I got no more to give so no coffee... I'm done. Done.

    But Sweeny wasn’t done. He was only pouring foundation. That is when it happened.

    It was earthshattering.

    June 28, 2013 at 10:55 pm |
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