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Conservatives brace for `marriage revolution'
Conservative Christians say their churches have been unprepared for cultural shifts on same-sex marriage.
June 28th, 2013
06:19 PM ET

Conservatives brace for `marriage revolution'

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - With its ivy-covered entrance and Teddy Bear bouquets, Arlene’s Flowers seems an unlikely spot to trigger a culture-war skirmish.

Until recently, the Richland, Washington, shop was better known for its artistic arrangements than its stance on same-sex marriage.

But in March, Barronelle Stutzman, the shop’s 68-year-old proprietress, refused to provide wedding flowers for a longtime customer who was marrying his partner. Washington state legalized same-sex marriage in December.

An ardent evangelical, Stutzman said she agonized over the decision but couldn’t support a wedding that her faith forbids.

“I was not discriminating at all,” she said. “I never told him he couldn’t get married. I gave him recommendations for other flower shops.”

Washington state Attorney General Bob Ferguson disagreed, and filed a consumer protection lawsuit against Arlene’s Flowers. The ACLU also sued on behalf of the customer, Robert Ingersoll, who has said Stutzman’s refusal “really hurt, because it was someone I knew.”

Among conservative Christians, Stutzman has become a byword - part cautionary tale and part cause celebre.

Websites call her a freedom fighter. Tributes fill Arlene’s Facebook page. Donations to her legal defense fund pour in from as far away as Texas and Arkansas.

“For some reason, her case has made a lot of people of faith worry,” said Stutzman’s lawyer, Dale Schowengerdt of the Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative legal group.

Those anxieties have only increased, conservative Christians say, since the Supreme Court struck down part of the Defense of Marriage Act and opened the door to gay marriage in California.

Taking a line from Justice Antonin Scalia's sharp dissent, Southern Baptist scholar Albert Mohler said it’s only a matter of time "before the other shoe drops" – and the high court legalizes same-sex marriage from coast to coast.

“Christians will have to think hard — and fast — about these issues and our proper response,” Mohler wrote on Wednesday.

“We will have to learn an entire new set of missional skills as we seek to remain faithful to Christ in this fast-changing culture.”

His fellow Southern Baptist Russell Moore put the matter more succinctly.

“Same-sex marriage is coming to your community.”

`The debate is over'

Well before the Supreme Court’s rulings, many conservative Christians said they saw the writing - or the poll numbers - on the wall.

Survey after survey shows increasing support for same-sex marriage, especially among young Americans. That includes many religious believers.

Most Catholics and mainline Protestants, not to mention many Jews, support same-sex relationships, according to surveys. The bells of Washington National Cathedral pealed in celebration on Thursday.

Even among those who oppose gay marriage, many think it’s a losing battle.

Seventy percent of white evangelicals believe that legal recognition for gay nuptials is inevitable, according to a June poll by the Pew Research Center, though just 22 percent favor it.

“The gay marriage debate is over,” said Jonathan Merritt, an evangelical writer on faith and culture. “Statistically, all the numbers move in one direction.”

Young Christians have grown up in a far more diverse culture than their forebears, Merritt noted, and many have befriended gays and lesbians.

Pew found that more than 90 percent of Americans overall personally know someone who is gay or lesbian, a 30 percent increase since 1993.

“It’s far easier to wage war against an agenda than it is to battle a friend,” Merritt said.

At the same time, many conservative young Christians say they’re weary of the culture wars, and of seeing their communities labeled “judgmental.”

When Christian researchers at the Barna Group asked Americans aged 16-29 what words best describe Christianity, the top response was “anti-homosexual.” That was true of more than 90 percent of non-Christians and 80 percent of churchgoers, according to Barna.

Tired of being told the country is slouching toward Gomorrah, many young Christians have simply tuned out the angry prophets of earlier generations, evangelical leaders say.

“The shrill angry voices of retrenchment are no longer getting a broad hearing either in the culture at large or in the evangelical community,” Merritt said.

But the battle over same-sex marriage is far from over, said Brian Brown, president of the National Organization for Marriage.

“I don’t believe most Christians are going to give up the fight,” said Brown, who is Catholic. He said his movement includes many young evangelical and Orthodox Christians.

“And they are more energized than ever.”

Love thy gay neighbors

Energized or not, conservative Christians must prepare for the moral dilemmas posed by the country’s growing acceptance of same-sex marriage, said Moore, the new president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission.

“Is Your Church Ready for the Marriage Revolution?” Moore asked, while promoting a special session on homosexuality at the Southern Baptist Convention’s annual meeting in Houston in June.

Many evangelical pastors have seen homosexuality as a distant culture-war battle that’s fought far from the doors of the churches, Moore said.

Now, it’s as close as their front pews.

“I think it’s not so much that churches haven’t wanted to talk about it,” he said, “but they haven’t recognized how much the culture has changed around them.”

The first step, said Moore, is learning to defend traditional marriage without demonizing gays and lesbians.

Walking through Washington’s Union Station last Thursday, Moore said he saw several lesbian couples kissing in celebration of the Supreme Court rulings.

“If we can’t empathize with what’s going on in their hearts and minds, we’re not going to be able to love and respect them.”

Then come a host of secondary questions: How should conservative pastors minister to same-sex couples? Should Christians attend same-sex weddings? Should florists like Barronelle Stutzman's agree to work with gay couples?

`Don't give in' 

Florist Barronelle Stutzman.

In the 17 years she’s owned Arlene’s Flowers, Stutzman said, she’s worked with a number of gay colleagues.

“It really didn’t matter if they were gay, or blue or green, if they were creative and could do the job,” she said.

Stutzman suspects that some of her eight children privately don’t agree with her on homosexuality, even as they publicly support her decision.

Online, Stutzman has been called a bigot, and worse.

She said she’s lost at least two weddings because of her refusal to provide services for the same-sex marriage.

Conservative activists say her case is the first of what will surely be many more, as gay marriage spreads across the country.

As she gets ready to face a judge, the silver-haired florist offered some advice for fellow evangelicals.

“Don’t give in. If you have to go down for Christ, what better person to go down for?”

- CNN Religion Editor

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  1. Kindness

    Kindness
    This is my experience... Thank you.

    MY personal testimony.
    A thought to consider without an ego response

    I Accepted Jesus christ as my lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
    The world denounces truth....

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    Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.

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    Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners. Even once we are saved by christs merciful grace we will still experience adversity to mold us to adhering to the truth.
    We will slip... But not fall of the ship ...carrying us onward to perfection in christs grace.

    We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Follow me".
    It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .

    Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
    See the truth...
    do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from some other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..

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    Trancsend the temporal world.

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    Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing (to change) The Holy spirit (within) will convict you beyond what you think you can do by yourself. Grace is given to those who renounce the world. That are" in" the world but not "of " the world.

    Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith ....above reason in Jesus Christ.

    Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....

    Read Ecclesiastes. Read romans or corinthians.

    You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.

    Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are by faith above reason in christ.

    I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .

    Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?

    Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.

    once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
    You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it

    You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
    I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
    Its awsome and It's just between you and Jesus

    my testimony

    Romans 10:9

    "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved

    Last eve I passed beside a blacksmith’s door,
    And heard the anvil ring the vesper chime;
    The, looking in, I saw upon the floor
    Old hammers, worn with beating years of time.
    “How many anvils have you had,” said I,
    “To wear and batter all these hammers so?”
    “Just one,” said he, and then with twinkling eye,
    “The anvil wears the hammers out, you know.”
    And so, thought I, the anvil of God’s Word,
    For ages skeptic blows have beat upon;
    Yet, though the noise of falling blows was heard,
    The anvil is unharmed – the hammers gone.

    Truth is..exclusive

    July 18, 2013 at 12:30 am |
    • Smithsonian

      "Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale."

      It is a fairytale. The Bible is primarily a book of religion, a guide to faith. it was not a book of history, poetry, economics, or science. It contains all sorts of literary genre, which are used to teach about the relationship between God and mankind. Even biblical history is edited history: events were chosen to illustrate the central theme of the Bible. The Biblical writers did not pretend they were giving a complete history; instead they constantly refer us to other sources for full historical details, sources such as "The Annals of the Kings of Judah" (or Israel).

      It is therefore not possible to try to "prove" the Bible by means of checking its historical or scientific accuracy. The only "proof" to which it can be subjected is this: Does it correctly portray the God-human relationship? In the best analysis, the Bible is a religious book, not an historical document.

      July 18, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
    • Susan StoHelit

      Thing is – the same can be said for finally seeing through the falsehoods of religion, and seeing the world without the overlay of gods and/or demons and realizing that you are responsible for this world, there is no one to fall back on, your bad deeds have a cost that cannot be prayed away.

      I don't mean this to attack your views, I am glad they provide you a positive path to follow. But I hope you can accept that the same is true for many other paths. I treat people well and consider the results of my actions selflessly, because I know that when I hurt a person, or the world, it's permanent, and it is me doing it, no one else, and I have to fix it, and no one else.

      July 18, 2013 at 2:08 pm |
    • Susan StoHelit

      Oh, and most atheists were raised Christian. Many of them were devout, and when they started to realize it no longer made sense, they tried talking to priests and pastors, read the Bible seeking a return to the belief they were taught was essential – most atheists know the Bible far better than those who believe in it (not my opinion – statistical fact – they've done studies on who knows the Bible best – atheist win, hands down, for knowing what is actually in there).

      July 18, 2013 at 2:14 pm |
  2. Wrong again

    The fact is, being gay is something you are born with. Period. No debate. That makes it normal. That means, God created it and wants it to exist. Stop telling gay people they are wrong. Your interpretation of the Bible is what is wrong.

    July 17, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
  3. Elspeth Babington

    As a Christian who memorized the entire Sermon on the Mount that Jesus delivered to His disciples, I think Ms. Stutzman is missing Jesus's point: Matthew chapter 7, verse 1: "Judge not, that ye be not judged." Gay marriage might not appeal to her, but she has judged the gay couple somehow undeserving of her professional services. I wonder what God will say to her when she appears before Him on Judgment Day. Based on His Son's arguably primary sermon, I doubt He'll be pleased.

    July 16, 2013 at 11:47 pm |
    • Anthony

      finally a person who can quote the bible and have a educated intelligent understanding of it, if only more Christians were like you

      July 17, 2013 at 10:05 am |
    • ThatGuy

      I might have missed something but I think this is largely overblown. As a PRIVATE business owner, she can accept or decline any requests she wants period, regardless of beliefs or differences, that is something American freedom used to allow.

      July 17, 2013 at 11:00 pm |
    • ThatGuy

      I might have missed something but I think this is largely overblown. As a PRIVATE business owner, she can accept or decline any requests she wants period, regardless of beliefs or differences, that is something American freedom allows, unless something changed.

      July 17, 2013 at 11:00 pm |
  4. Oliver

    Q. What's the difference between a gay man and a refrigerator?
    A. Refrigerators don't fart when you pull the meat out.

    July 16, 2013 at 7:23 pm |
    • Bob

      OK, I'm gay and I find that joke offensive! And funny as hell.

      July 17, 2013 at 2:30 am |
    • sam stone

      Q: How does a gay man fake the big O?

      A: He spits on your back

      July 17, 2013 at 5:25 am |
      • Tom

        "...If you have to go down for Christ, what better person to go down for?"

        The biggest joke of all is that Ms. Stutzman does not have a clue as to why gay men find her final quote funny.

        July 17, 2013 at 10:53 am |
  5. biz

    Selling flowers to a gay man getting married no more supports gay marriage than selling firearms makes you a murderer.

    This lady wasn't exercising her right to her beliefs, she was just out to make a point.

    July 16, 2013 at 7:03 pm |
    • dano

      She's being a bigot for Jesus.

      July 17, 2013 at 8:46 am |
  6. Penny

    I ate lunch at Chick-Fil-A today.

    July 16, 2013 at 6:58 pm |
  7. Penny

    Why can't a fetus develop inside a man's gay-doh fun factory?

    July 16, 2013 at 6:54 pm |
    • Patty

      what does that matter? are you 12? Marriage does not require children

      July 17, 2013 at 1:22 am |
  8. Penny

    I make a lot of good points, and all they can do is make ad hominem attacks against me, or get my brilliant points censored.

    July 16, 2013 at 6:41 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Nonsense.

      July 16, 2013 at 6:42 pm |
  9. Penny

    Liberalism: getting your way by calling people names.

    July 16, 2013 at 6:38 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Nonsense. But you already knew that.

      July 16, 2013 at 6:42 pm |
      • Penny

        I know it's true. It's nonsense to say it's nonsense.

        July 16, 2013 at 6:47 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Liberalism does have that aspect, but it is not the main method of operation. Don't be an idiot.

          July 16, 2013 at 6:49 pm |
        • Penny

          Thanks for seeing things my way a little bit.

          July 16, 2013 at 6:51 pm |
    • Patty

      and your repeated bs comments, and rhetorical questions make conservatives look brilliant? and kind? hmm

      July 17, 2013 at 1:39 am |
      • Patty

        Maybe. More so than your ad hominem attacks and inability to answer them.

        July 18, 2013 at 9:03 pm |
    • Patrick

      Conservatism: Getting your way by calling people names. Works both ways troll.

      July 25, 2013 at 3:41 pm |
  10. Penny

    Why does Observer tell everyone who disagrees with him/her/it to get a good indoctrination or brainwashing into the wonders of gayness?

    July 16, 2013 at 6:10 pm |
    • jazzguitarman

      Why are you so clueless that you don't understand what discrination is? Anyway your POV is now the minority. It is you that has to hide their POV instead of gays. I love that fact that your kind is now marginalized.

      July 16, 2013 at 6:16 pm |
      • Penny

        Dream on.

        July 16, 2013 at 6:36 pm |
        • Patty

          he's not dreaming, the stats in this article pretty much prove it

          July 17, 2013 at 1:24 am |
  11. Penny

    It doesn't hurt me when someone in another city murders someone else. Does this make murder okay?

    July 16, 2013 at 6:05 pm |
    • jazzguitarman

      Penny; I'm ok with you believing being gay isn't OK. Go ahead and hate gays. I don't care. The issue here is equality under the law. As an American you should understand that concept.

      July 16, 2013 at 6:14 pm |
      • Penny

        What's the basis of this equality?

        July 16, 2013 at 6:15 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Now you're just trolling for a reaction – choosing not to engage in a discussion is the hallmark of faith/lol?? and various other trolls. Dismissed.

      July 16, 2013 at 6:15 pm |
  12. Penny

    How can two married men make babies by rubbing their giggle sticks together?

    July 16, 2013 at 5:46 pm |
    • Observer

      Penny,

      Grow up, child. Get an education. Staying ignorant is not good for you.

      July 16, 2013 at 5:49 pm |
      • Penny

        Why does this smack of Orwellianism?

        July 16, 2013 at 5:56 pm |
        • Observer

          It smacks of an immature kid trying to be funny. Grow up.

          July 16, 2013 at 6:03 pm |
        • Jeremy

          Because you don't know what Orwellian means.

          July 16, 2013 at 6:11 pm |
    • midwest rail

      We get it, you think s.s.m. is icky. Please delineate all the ways it harms your life or marriage.

      July 16, 2013 at 5:50 pm |
  13. Penny

    Can gay animals in nature use artificial insemination to have babies?

    July 16, 2013 at 5:41 pm |
    • Observer

      Penny,

      Again. Try reading "Biology for Dummies".

      July 16, 2013 at 5:43 pm |
    • Susan StoHelit

      Gay animals in nature appear to be nature's method of population control – ensuring that population explosions do not happen. Since a population explosion can result in extinction (population outgrows food sources, all animals don't get enough to eat, and thus they all starve), it's a very necessary trait.

      July 18, 2013 at 3:27 pm |
  14. Penny

    Do gay couples have an unequal ability to create children compared to straight couples?

    July 16, 2013 at 5:35 pm |
    • Observer

      Penny,

      It just requires sperm and egg to produce a baby. The orientation of the suppliers is irrelative.

      Please take a basic course in biology or read "Biology for Dummies" so you won't ask so many ignorant questions.

      July 16, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
  15. Penny

    If gay marriage were so wonderful, wouldn't they have been doing it in ancient times, as a matter of pragmatism?

    July 16, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
    • Observer

      They couldn't. They had lots of ignorant bigots back then too.

      July 16, 2013 at 5:28 pm |
    • jazzguitarman

      Gays getting married might be as bad off as straights getting married. E.g. they might end up divorced and hating each other.

      But the issue here is one of equality under the law. How is that so hard to understand?

      July 16, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
  16. Penny

    Why didn't Xerxes marry Leonidas?

    July 16, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
    • midwest rail

      What if there were no rhetorical questions ?

      July 16, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
  17. Penny

    Has gay marriage ever benefitted society for the last several hundreds of years?

    July 16, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
    • Observer

      Penny,

      Yes. Gay marriage has made many people much happier to be legal equals. How much has it hurt your marriage or that of friends?

      July 16, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
      • Penny

        It doesn't hurt me when someone gets a wrong answer on a math quiz by answering 2+2=5, but it's still wrong.

        July 16, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
        • Observer

          Penny

          "It doesn't hurt me when someone gets a wrong answer on a math quiz by answering 2+2=5, but it's still wrong."

          Right. So it's NONE of your business. Grow up.

          July 16, 2013 at 5:41 pm |
  18. aallen333

    When do feelings and emotions trump reality. If a person has a dream he is a dog and begins to behave like a dog, should we classify him as a human dog. Or do we help him to see that this behavior does not match who he is physically and spiritually until he wakes up and realizes he's not a man-dog. Most would agree that this is the obvious logical course to take instead of enabling the behavior by agreeing with the delusion. Is a man who thinks he's a woman or a man who wants to marry a man any different from the dog analogy. If the feelings do not match reality, don't allow the feelings to become more real than reality.

    July 16, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
    • Observer

      aalen333,

      Grow up. Get an education. You are making yourself look ridiculously ignorant.

      July 16, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
  19. Craig Chilton

    There are two groups of people who profess to be Christians. The larger (and far more quiet, civil, and fair-minded) group is comprised of ACTUAL Christians who OBEY Jesus’ commandment in Romans 13:8-10, and thus to them, bigotry and hate are anathema. 66% of Americans are Actual Christians.

    The other group is comprised of the pseudo-Christian CINOs – Christians in Name Only) of the RRR Cult – the Religious Radical Right, made up of 6% of Americans. A far smaller group, fortunately for America, and for the image of Christianity. That image has been badly besmirched over the last four decades by this upstart collection of Puritan-emulators to whom tolerance is alien terminology. Thanks to them, most non-Chistians probably would regard it to be better use of their time to attend a rat fight than to seek Jesus. And surveys have borne this out – the “Nones” have been increasing exponentially. Those who profess NO religion. And Christianity has been sharply in decline. Perhaps that’s why. Jesus provided that commandment – for His followers to love their neighbors as themselves. Because He knew what the outcome would be if people DISobeyed it, while still claiming to follow Him. Jesus is God, and thus is omniscient – so he already KNEW that this debacle would come to pass in America, 2,000 years ago!

    Fortunately, America has finally awakened, as we saw from coast-to-coast on Banner Day 11-6-12. Made possible by the USA’s Actual Christians. And now, thankfully, the CINO bigots of the RRR Cult are justifiably reaping the whirlwind. Soon, when a person openly declares him/herself to be a Christian, we’ll know that he or she is an ACTUAL Christian.

    Because all of the previously-squeaky-wheel CINOs will all be in the closet. Right along with their racist counterparts who remain alive from the days of the Jim Crow South. In self-preservation, to keep from being social pariahs.

    July 15, 2013 at 10:51 am |
    • skytag

      We both know you have no data to support your statistics, but then as a Christian you've spent a lifetime believing things for which you have no evidence, so this is consistent with how you life your life. Just tell yourself whatever you want to believe than then believe it's true. It's the Christian way.

      July 15, 2013 at 11:01 pm |
    • nilloc

      Christianity in decline? America, maybe. Have you checked out Asia and Africa lately. God is pouring out his spirit. People in bondage have seen a great light. Here,we take it for granted - until it's gone.

      July 15, 2013 at 11:27 pm |
      • sam stone

        poor, desperate people have always been the best fodder for the god delusion

        July 16, 2013 at 2:54 am |
        • Bill Deacon

          As it should be sam. Christ asked us to care for the poor. Yet, you make it sound like a curse. Christianity has raised more people up out of bondage than any other system ever, including the pilgrims who came to this country and founded a form of government that permits you to chastise the principles which allow your dissent to exist.

          July 16, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
        • sam stone

          christianity is responsible for freedom of speech?

          "raised more people out of bondage"? seems it has put more people into bondage than than raised them out

          without guilt and desperation, christianity is dead in the water. they have to convince people they are ill (being sinners) before they sell them the supposed cure (jesus).

          July 17, 2013 at 5:31 am |
    • Truth

      It's ironic that you want to teach us what a Christian is when you don't understand the most fundamental concept in the scriptures- Christ is not god. He called himself the son of god, "who came not to do his own will, but that of his father"

      July 16, 2013 at 1:57 am |
      • jb_bonjo

        1. Jesus is God (check out the concept of the trinity)

        2. I can't stand it when poeple pull iconic scriptures out of context (apologetics look it up). Jesus (and subseqently the bible) did not teach a message of tolorance. Indeed in several places the bible tells christians to have nothing to do with sin and non believers.(Haven't you heard th old hate the sin love the sinner adage?)

        For example the state law suite against Stutzman violates here right to freedom of religion.

        July 16, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
        • Jasmine

          This is a violation of her rights – she should be able to sell her flowers to who she wants. What's next? Government telling us what to eat, what to wear, and what to believe in? I support you for standing up for what you believe in. We need more Christians to do the same and not be afraid to have your voice heard.

          July 16, 2013 at 4:16 pm |
        • Patty

          how exactly is her freedom of religion damaged? She can still go to church, and worship however she wants, she just can't Discriminate, based on her religion, there is a difference. We should all be grateful that this is a secular nation so that no one can discriminate against anyone, whether it's over religion or race

          July 17, 2013 at 1:35 am |
    • Susan StoHelit

      I hope your stats are accurate – but if that 66% isn't willing to stand up, and instead votes along with your CINOs – they're just the same thing, with a headman's apology to those they hurt.

      July 18, 2013 at 3:30 pm |
  20. Stephen Hawking is an Idiot!!!!!

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SJR2vdJFXw&w=640&h=390]

    July 14, 2013 at 9:56 pm |
    • Observer

      Bet your IQ is far below that of the "idiot".

      July 15, 2013 at 11:03 pm |
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