West Hills, California (CNN) - A Los Angeles Christian church and school that had planned two host two Chinese students who died in Saturday's Asiana 214 crash in San Francisco grieved at a worship service on Sunday.
West Valley Christian School says 35 Chinese students on the Asiana flight were scheduled to live with church families and join its youth summer camp, where they would learn about American culture and improve English fluency.
"We want to grieve. We want to be real and we want love these families that have lost their loved ones,” Derek Swales, a school administrator, told KCAL, a CNN affiliate.
The school's church, West Valley Christian Church, invited former and current host families to attend a prayer vigil on Thursday.
Ye Mengyuan and Wang Linjia, both 16, were close friends. Both died on Saturday's crash.
Investigators looking into the fatal crash of Asiana Airlines Flight 214 are focusing on the crew and aircraft as they try to understand why the giant jet clipped the end of runway before crashing, the chairwoman of the National Transportation Safety Board said Monday.
Yep! Another blog of posting idiots!
Piety beats goodness, and actually doing something, every time.
What a waste of time and energy.
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So...why didn't god save these two kids that were supposed to attend a christian school? What kind of god is that???
Which god? If you mean the christian god you should probably capitalize the "g".
A nonexistent god or one who doesn't care or a "trickster." Of course, as Lycidas has pointed out in other threads, there's no use thinking or commenting on god because of his qualities of being infinite and beyond human reasoning.
God was only sparing them the torture of Christian camp.
Then give that being a real name - like YHWH or Jehovah or something. Capitalizing "Dragon" or "Wizard" does not confer ident'ity.
@OTOH- so let me get this straight. If someone on here writes "God" you are going to basically think, "Duh...who dat? Which god is that?"
If it helps you any, the word "God" came from the middle english so which one do you think they were thinking of when they created the word eh?
There's no point trying to reason with Lycidas. His god is his own opinion. God is a generic term for most people in most cases that means "the most powerful/highest being imaginable who had much to do with the state of reality and existence."
@Cpt. Obvious- "There's no point trying to reason with Lycidas. His god is his own opinion."
Cpt. Oblivious is just scared to have real discussions. Don't pay attention to him that much. Heck, he thinks I have a god even though I've never mentioned having one. He is obviously oblivious to reality.
"God is a generic term for most people in most cases.."
See, he can't even come up with a absolute definition for "God". The common sense approach is that God is a proper name that means the god of Christianity.
Heck, you don't see these people yap on here saying that allah and Allah are the same.
Didn't mean to hurt your feelings pointing out the obvious, Ly. Good luck with your anger and incomprehensibility issues.
You need to reevalulate your own abilities Cpt. Obvious. Hurting my feelings are not within your power.
Now then, if you need me to walk you through what I thought was simple enough of a comment about why most logical and reasonable people would know what god is "God" is..I can do that for you.
I mean, if you have some other issue, perhaps you could clarify with a quote where I have claimed to have a god for starters. It seemed like that was important to you :)
Your god is useless and therefore doesn't rate high enough to qualify as a noun...
" the word "God" came from the middle english so which one do you think they were thinking of when they created the word eh?"
Uh, the lower-case word "god" came from the same root.
OTOH- "Uh, the lower-case word "god" came from the same root."
Now dive back into your early years of education. What is the difference between a capitalized noun and one that isn't?
I'm curious, if you ever talk about the subject of Islam...which do you use..."allah" or "Allah"?
I don't speak Arabic, but I see that the name "Allah" comes from:
al- "the" and ilāh "deity, god"
I have no idea if other gods are called "ilah", but it looks like it is the "The" part which is capitalized.
Oy vey...nevermind. If you want to think that Allah is just "The god" in arabic and not a proper name...there is no hope for you on this topic.
Jehovah, Yahweh, Allah, Jesus Christ, Confucius are all proper nouns. They should be capitalized. God does not need to be capitalized except at the beginning of a sentence. The word god is not a proper noun.
If people want to capitalize the word god in the context of the Christian trinitarian God there's no harm as a notional mark of respect to Christian readers, but it is not grammatically required.
Lycidas, why are you making an attempt to argue this point of capitalization? The word "god" is not necessarily a noun, nor proper in any shape or form. In fact, it's downright insulting but that is another matter all unto itself. Many of us do not recognize these imaginary ghost creatures, therefore hold less regard for them than other such fairy tales as those produced by Disney. According to the bible, a collection of books with no real meaning, there would be no need to capitalize the word "god" over the simple fact that there are more than one of these alleged gods. To address a "god" would have to be done directly by name. To do so otherwise would thus confuse the reader as to which diety the collection of irrational books is addressing in the first place. When we ask, "Which god?"–we are in fact making a legitimate query as to which you refer to. The christian belief system seems blatantly ignorant to this, as it makes the claim that there is only one god. But the collection of books makes a different claim. When it addresses an imaginary being, which one is it addressing?
Ly, I will do my best reasoning where logic is evidenced in your posts, but I am unconcerned about how things "seem" to you, personally. Again, good luck on your personal issues.
" If you want to think that Allah is just "The god" in arabic and not a proper name"
It has come to be a proper name, with usage... just like "of Connor" became "O'Connor" or fletcher, the arrow maker, became "Fletcher", etc.
Ah, the answer is clear. Lycidas has spoken. When we disagree with him, we are beyond hope. As I have stated elsewhere and firmly believe, Lycidas's god is his own opinion. How dare anyone disagree?!? And if they do, they're wrong!!!
Cpt. Obvious- "I will do my best reasoning.."
Your limitations are not my concern.
"but I am unconcerned about how things "seem" to you, personally."
Then you are not here for any reason other than to stroke your own ego and here I thought you wanted to learn and possibly pass on some worthwhile info. Obviously that isn't the case. Have a nice day.
Worthwhile information excludes imaginary beings.
"Then you are not here for any reason other than to stroke your own ego and here I thought you wanted to learn and possibly pass on some worthwhile info. Obviously that isn't the case. Have a nice day"
pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot.
"Which god? If you mean the christian god you should probably capitalize the "g"."
God (capitalization) God is capitalized when it functions as a name. In this use, God is a proper noun like any other name and does not take a definite or indefinite article. But in phrases like the Biblical god and a forgiving god, which do have articles, there’s no need to capitalize god because it is a common noun rather than a name—yet many religiously inclined writers still capitalize the word in these instances.
When the noun god is used generically, especially in reference to a non-Biblical god, it is not capitalized.
English speakers also traditionally capitalize the pronoun He in reference to God. This remains a common practice among people of faith, but it is by no means obligatory.
In phrases like for God’s sake, by God, and thank God, the word is capitalized because it generally refers to the god of the Bible and treats the word as a name. When the word refers to the Judeo-Christian god but does not name him directly, there is no logical or grammatical reason to capitalize it.
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Yep, and you too. Emotional pain is a chemical reaction in your brain. You are claiming, without the slightest evidence, that a soul exists. I've got news for you: psychiatric research is discovering that there isn't even a unified you. The various aspects of the subconscious often are in control, and your cognitive mind only thinks it is in charge. For example, an addict can want desperately to stop, and then use while he thinks it. And researchers have found that they can know how a person will choose before the subject does, simply by watching brain function for a while.
The research is of course more detailed than that, but you get the idea.
"Soul" is just an illusion, and like religion, there is not a shred of evidence supporting the claim.
Ooops, thought that was on the reply button. That was for Bill Deacon.
I knew you were going to do that. I could tell by the way your brain functions.
Oh dear, Deacon is one of those. Faced with facts and a coherent discussion, he goes kindergarten.
Great post, Doomed Dude. Deacon's reasoning is as fruitless as it is civil: mostly.
I attended a presentation recently by Patrick Renvoise.
Anyone who thinks they somehow have a "soul" or a "spirit" is a scientifically challenged moron.
You have absolutely zero say in 90% of the decisions you make every single day.
Renvoise & Morin do an amazing job of showing this in action specifically regarding business decision making, but the basic premise of subconscious control is unilateral across behavior and or environment.
Modern neuroscience has proven this beyond any doubt.
Actually you started with a sopho moric post about not feeling pain in your body as you experience hell. I asked you if you experience any pain other than in your body. You answer that yes you do. So your original comment is disposable. As to the current scientific postulate that there is no measurable soul, I prefer to reserve my judgement, knowing that science has a history, even a tenet, of reversing when new information presents itself
@ Bill Deacon
Again, you hypocritically begin with an ad hominem, in spite of your repeated dismissal of others whom you decide are using fallacious arguments.
Physical pain is the result of electrical impulses that travel along our nerves to the brain, where it is interpreted and the corresponding physical sensations are sent back to the relevant body parts.
Mental, or emotional pain, is the result of biochemical reactions that take place in the brain and other organs and can manifest in many ways, anxiety, excessive anger, depression, and psychosis are a few.
In either case, when the brain ceases to function, sensation of any kind also ceases. So the OP may have used a humorous approach to make its point, but that doesn't invalidate it.
As you said, there is no evidence for a soul, which may or may not experience sensation. If verifiable, repeatable evidence of a soul is found, yes, science will reverse it's thinking. That is what science does. It measures evidence and decides based on what is verifiable. That is not a bad thing. As new technologies develop, our ability to understand the natural world improves and some ideas are found to be incorrect, such as the sun revolving around the earth.
Denying knowledge is more the domain of religion, which is notoriously slow on the uptake when it comes to scientific discoveries that are contrary to that religion's tenets.
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