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Reaction to Zimmerman verdict
July 14th, 2013
12:18 AM ET

Twitter theme: Zimmerman will face a higher Judge

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - As news spread on social media of the not guilty verdict in the Trayvon Martin case, a religious theme soon emerged: Sooner or later, a higher authority will judge George Zimmerman

Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton, may have been the first to express a version of this theme:

Football star Adrian Peterson of the Minnesota Vikings echoed those words:

That view crossed racial lines. Christopher Epting, an Episcopal bishop in Chicago, simply said:

Joshua Dubois, the former director of the White House Office of Faith-based and Neighborhood Initiatives and a Pentecostal pastor, drew on the Bible for this tweet:

Author Shirley Strawberry cited the Bible as well.

Some, like singer Josiah Bell, seemed to take some solace in the idea of divine justice.

But others put a frustrated spin on the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s famous phrase about morality.

Soul singer Betty Wright drew flak for saying that Zimmerman will end up in hell.

Finally, some Christians noted the irony of this Sunday's Bible reading for many liturgical churches: The story of the Good Samaritan:

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Belief • Church • Courts • Ethics • United States

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  1. Lucifer's Evil Twin

    "Keep the Faith! #God is in control, He's the one and only Judge!" Pathetic and meaningless sheep mutterings...

    July 15, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
    • OTOH

      LET,

      Sorry to go OT, but there was a poster last night who I think in one post covered nearly *all* of your Top 10 (or is it 20?) inane things that believers say:

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/12/when-madison-ave-meets-god/comment-page-10/#comments

      July 15, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
  2. Just the Facts Ma'am...

    A black male born in 1991 has a 29% chance of spending time in prison at some point in his life.

    Nearly one in three African American males aged 20–29 are under some form of criminal justice supervision whether imprisoned, jailed, on parole or probation.

    One out of nine African American men will be incarcerated between the ages of 20 and 34.

    Black males ages 30 to 34 have the highest incarceration rate of any race/ethnicity.

    Approximately 12%-13% of the American popu lation is African-American, but they make up 40.1% of the almost 2.1 million male inmates in jail or prison

    It's an epidemic that some want to sweep under the "carpet" aka the American private prison system that encourages recidivism.

    July 15, 2013 at 12:36 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      I'm not sure if they encourage recidivism, or they just don't have the wherewithal to stop the revolving door...

      July 15, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
    • Just the Facts Ma'am...

      There is no incentive for a private prison to spend any money on rehabilitation. It is infact the reverse. There is incentive for a private prison to stay full where they can charge the tax payers on average $47,000 per year per prisoner. We have 2.1 million people in prison and tax dollars pay to keep them there at $47,000 each. That's $98.7 BILLION a year. If just half of that was spent on rehabilitation instead of just churning out more hardened criminals I believe the incarceration numbers would plummet which would be great for the tax payers but terrible for the investors and owners of the private prisons.

      July 15, 2013 at 1:10 pm |
      • Saraswati

        I thought only about 10% of prisoners nation-wide weree in private prisons? Do you have different data or do you think that the impact on that 10% really accounts for a substantial amount of the problem?

        July 15, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
      • ME II

        "If just half of that was spent on rehabilitation instead of just churning out more hardened criminals "

        Assuming "rehabilitation" actually works.

        July 15, 2013 at 1:50 pm |
      • Just the Facts Ma'am...

        CCA (Corrections Corporation of America) and GEO have both engaged in state initiatives to increase sentences for offenders and to create new crimes, including, CCA helping to finance Proposition 6 in California in 2008 and GEO lobbying for Jessica's Law in Kansas in 2006. In 2012, The CCA sent a letter to 48 states offering to buy public prisons in exchange for a promise to keep the prisons at 90% occupancy for 20 years. The legal system may also be manipulated more directly: in the Kids for cash scandal, Mid-Atlantic Youth Services Corp, a private prison company which runs juvenile facilities, was found guilty of paying two judges, Mark Ciavarella and Michael Conahan, $2.6m to send 2000 children to their prisons for such crimes as trespassing in vacant buildings and stealing DVDs from Wal-Mart.

        July 15, 2013 at 1:58 pm |
      • Just the Facts Ma'am...

        The solution is to release ALL non-violent criminals and put them in reimbursement programs to work off the debt of those they harmed financially or to pay back the State for the cost of the police. We already do this for most DUI cases where they do community service for a set amount of time along with a heavy fine of around $2500 (at least in CA). With this one simple step it would have a huge impact on the prison population and lower our costs significantly. Each State would then have a larger workforce for keeping highways clean or public cemeteries mowed and spend far less on keeping people incarcerated and you get to keep more in your pocket.

        July 15, 2013 at 3:59 pm |
    • ME II

      @Just the Facts Ma'am...,
      Just curious, but what do you think is the solution?

      July 15, 2013 at 3:19 pm |
  3. faith

    Jebus was a mythical conflation of a number of messiah figures from around 50BCE to 75 CE. There were many Jebuses,
    your proof, please
    July 14, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    still, nothing?

    July 15, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
    • faith

      12:08

      it is 12:13 now. let us see how long we last

      July 15, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
      • Akira

        Faith, this was asked and answered many times yesterday on the Pope story. You didn't like the answer, I understand, but they were given. Stop flaming, already.

        July 15, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
        • faith

          no one named the messiahs who were conflated in to jesus

          Akira
          On the belt buckleof millions of Nazi soldiers
          This long-dead horse apparently needs flogging again
          Christian Motto
          Wasp
          Rory
          Open the pod bay door
          Agnostickids
          Rodents for Romney
          Polonius
          FYI
          Oberver
          skytag
          Cpt. Obvious
          Judica
          Open the pod bay door
          Rodents for Romney
          FYI
          Polonius
          Satan
          skytag
          Cpt. Obvious
          Judica
          Rodents for Romney
          Righteo
          Johnnyboy
          My Dog is a jealous Dog

          July 15, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
    • Johnny Boy

      Still waiting for your proof that God exists. We have been asking for that for years.

      July 15, 2013 at 12:26 pm |
      • faith

        Jebus was a mythical conflation of a number of messiah figures from around 50BCE to 75 CE. There were many Jebuses,
        your proof, please

        Akira
        On the belt buckleof millions of Nazi soldiers
        This long-dead horse apparently needs flogging again
        Christian Motto
        Wasp
        Rory
        Open the pod bay door
        Agnostickids
        Rodents for Romney
        Polonius
        FYI
        Oberver
        skytag
        Cpt. Obvious
        Judica
        Open the pod bay door
        Rodents for Romney
        FYI
        Polonius
        Satan
        skytag
        Cpt. Obvious
        Judica
        Rodents for Romney
        Righteo
        Johnny Boy

        July 15, 2013 at 12:31 pm |
      • faith

        Jebus was a mythical conflation of a number of messiah figures from around 50BCE to 75 CE. There were many Jebuses,
        your proof, please

        Akira
        On the belt buckleof millions of Nazi soldiers
        This long-dead horse apparently needs flogging again
        Christian Motto
        Wasp
        Rory
        Open the pod bay door
        Agnostickids
        Rodents for Romney
        Polonius
        FYI
        Oberver
        skytag
        Cpt. Obvious
        Judica
        Open the pod bay door
        Rodents for Romney
        FYI
        Polonius
        Satan
        skytag
        Cpt. Obvious
        Judica
        Rodents for Romney
        Righteo
        Johnny Boy

        nor the miracles your messiahs performed

        July 15, 2013 at 12:43 pm |
        • Akira

          Asked and answered. You're getting tedious.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:56 pm |
  4. bostontola

    "The Judicial system or jury may not provide justice but GOD will."

    Great, if that belief keeps some from violent reactions then there is a useful purpose for the god in their minds.

    July 15, 2013 at 11:53 am |
    • Re

      In the christian belief it's satan who deserves all the punishment for every bad thing that's ever happened. Mankind was never designed to sin. It was all satan's doing.

      July 15, 2013 at 12:00 pm |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

        Aren't Adam and Eve partially to blame? I mean, the talking snake didn't exactly stuff the fruit down their throats, did he?

        July 15, 2013 at 12:09 pm |
        • Re

          Probably. The implication is that the temptation would never have been there had satan not approached them.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:14 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

          But, if Yahweh is all powerful, why let a pipsqueek like Satan wander about?

          July 15, 2013 at 12:18 pm |
        • Re

          Who knows. Maybe christians aren't being told the whole story?

          July 15, 2013 at 12:20 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

          Or maybe it was all a fairytale to keep the kids quiet on a long donkey ride through the desert

          July 15, 2013 at 12:26 pm |
      • I wonder

        Re,
        "Mankind was never designed to sin."

        Isn't that "designer" alleged to be "Perfect"? How could its designed product go awry?

        That "designer" would be considered to be:
        - inept
        - monstrous
        - or, more likely, non-existant

        July 15, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
        • Johnny Boy

          I wonder why there is a hell if mankind only satan is responsible.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:28 pm |
        • Re

          It certainly shouldn't be necessary when it's so easy to accept Jesus' sacrifice to wash away a person's sin.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
      • sam stone

        wow, that satan character is pretty scary. for those who believe in that tripe, that is

        July 15, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
      • ME II

        @Re,
        Partially right...
        "Mankind was never designed"

        July 15, 2013 at 1:16 pm |
  5. Just the Facts Ma'am...

    I am curious if that's Marlon Waynes in the above photo... or I guess I could be suffering from residual racism and all black people look like a Waynes brother to me...

    July 15, 2013 at 11:28 am |
    • Zingo

      Wayans.

      They all look alike to you, do they?

      July 15, 2013 at 11:44 am |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

        They do all look alike (the Wayans brothers, that is).

        Do you know that the Wayans brothers are the most successful black film makers on the planet? Sad really, as there are some decent black film-makers out there.

        July 15, 2013 at 11:49 am |
        • ME II

          Regardless of race, successful does not equate to good.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

        That's precisely my point. Usuall the inverse is true, if anything.

        July 15, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
  6. Just the Facts Ma'am...

    The fact is that if George was black he would have been convicted. Treyvon wouldn't even have to have been white, this could have been black on black crime and George would have been convicted. That is just how our currently prejudiced legal system works. It's sad but it's a fact.

    July 15, 2013 at 11:21 am |
    • Electric Larry

      That's not quite a fact, but I suspect it is true. The funny part is that if the races had been reversed, almost all of the partisans on both sides would be making saying the opposite of what they are now.

      July 15, 2013 at 11:25 am |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

        I suspect that that would be true for many people.

        July 15, 2013 at 11:26 am |
      • Mike

        Uh no. Those who are supporting George would be supporting black George. The facts are the facts.

        July 15, 2013 at 11:37 am |
      • BIG SHIZ

        Not true, most black people would not condone a older black man shooting a white teenager. The truth is there is hatred, fear and ignorance when it comes to white men that live in white community's and there understanding of black men. Where targeted and mistreated and given less opportunitys and the same people that support treating us like that turn right back around and say look see they all criminals. Even though there are more black men in college than jail, prison and probation combined.

        July 15, 2013 at 11:39 am |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          BIG SHIZ

          Would you be offended if a person used the term "you people" to reference blacks? If so, why would you use the term "us?"

          July 15, 2013 at 11:45 am |
        • BIG SHIZ

          Because society singles us out. We get treated different every day. For a name like Captain Obvious you don't really see the obvious.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:52 am |
        • derp

          @CPT Obvious.

          It's white peoples fault that blacks are killing each other off in droves in Chicago.

          Really it is, just ask Big Shiz, he'll explain it.

          Every time white people "single out" a black man, another black man feels compelled to shoot them.

          Seriously, it's all our fault.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
        • derp

          "rampant racism from white men that grow up in white only community's"

          I grew up just outside of Philly. As a kid I lived mostly in Burlington City, NJ. My mother was from the Germantown section of Philladelphia and my father was from Fairview in Camden.

          You might want to check the demographics of BC, Germantown, or Fairview before making such a ridiculously stupid comment.

          Not exactly "white only" communities.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
        • BIG SHIZ

          Where you and your parents come from are two different places. Derp, do they call you derp because you have herpies?

          July 15, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
        • Alias

          @BIG SHIZ
          There is a black community that segregates itself from the rest of american society. It is self destructive and will hopefully fade away in a few generations, but I doubt it.
          There is a common misconception among black people in that subculture that white people have a similar mind set. White people do not have or want their own history month, TV station, college fund, beauty pagents, music, or dialect. You are the racist here.

          July 15, 2013 at 1:16 pm |
    • Saraswati

      If he were a black resident neighborhood watch member trailing a white kid in a hoodie with a troubled past? That's a big leap. People were just as upset when OJ got off, and that was right, too. There just wasn't evidence and you can't convict without it.

      July 15, 2013 at 11:26 am |
      • Just the Facts Ma'am...

        First, there are many black neighborhood watch members throughout our country and to think otherwise is pretty damn racist. Second, I was saying if Zimmerman had been black as well as Martin and it was considered black on black crime, Zimmerman would have been convicted with the evidence presented.

        July 15, 2013 at 11:42 am |
      • Saraswati

        "First, there are many black neighborhood watch members throughout our country and to think otherwise is pretty damn racist."

        What??? Where on earth did you get the impression I was saying there weren't black neighborhood watch members. I think you misinterpreted what I wrote. I was saying it was a stretch to assume people would behave differently. Are you actively looking for someone to accuse of racism, because it kind of looks that way.

        "Second, I was saying if Zimmerman had been black as well as Martin and it was considered black on black crime, Zimmerman would have been convicted with the evidence presented."

        Possibly, but again you would have to have nearly identical cases to compare. I still believe the sympathy of the jury is going to be with the neighborhood watch member over the troubled teen, regardless of race.

        July 15, 2013 at 11:49 am |
      • Just the Facts Ma'am...

        "If he were a black resident neighborhood watch member trailing a white kid in a hoodie with a troubled past? That's a big leap."

        It was the big leap part I guess that I saw as racist because I don't see what the big leap is. Also, how was he following a "kid in a hoodie with a troubled past"? George did not know Treyvon so how could he tell he was troubled? Because he was black? Any troubles were only found out long after his body was cold, and none were deserving of this kind of outcome.

        This case is about profiling, plain and simple. George had already convicted Treyvon in his mind as he kept calling the child who he had never witnessed commit any crime "the suspect". He followed his black suspect and shot him in the heart. Now he get's to walk away free and clear which makes many racists happier than pigs in shlt.

        July 15, 2013 at 11:59 am |
        • You're only telling half the story...

          Maybe Zimmerman did profile Martin and in doing so followed him a short distance. However, Trayvon also profiled Zimmerman. He clearly used the C word to refer to him when talking on the phone. That seemingly led him to reverse course and stalk Zimmerman when he turned to go back to his car, and then to physically assault Zimmerman.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:11 pm |
        • ME II

          "He followed his black suspect and shot him in the heart."

          Gross oversimplification.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:16 pm |
        • Saraswati

          I never said Zimmerman knew about Martin's past. I was referring to what a jury would see and know which was the topic of the original post. Seriously, are you actually trying to read my comments at all or are you just reinterpreting each one based on your assumptions?

          July 15, 2013 at 12:20 pm |
        • Just the Facts Ma'am...

          A black male born in 1991 has a 29% chance of spending time in prison at some point in his life.

          Nearly one in three African American males aged 20–29 are under some form of criminal justice supervision whether imprisoned, jailed, on parole or probation.

          One out of nine African American men will be incarcerated between the ages of 20 and 34.

          Black males ages 30 to 34 have the highest incarceration rate of any race/ethnicity.

          Approximately 12%-13% of the American population is African-American, but they make up 40.1% of the almost 2.1 million male inmates in jail or prison

          It's an epidemic that whites want to sweep under the "carpet" aka the American private prison system that encourages recidivism.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
        • Mike

          Do you happen to have any crime stats on American born blacks vs foreign born blacks? I would imagine the immigrant blacks would have a much lower crime rate comparable to any other immigrant class.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
        • ME II

          @Mike,
          Not directly to your point, but the linked article's abstract suggests a correlation between general immigration (not just A-A) and a drop in A-A employment and a rise in A-A incarceration.
          I'm not sure if a comparison to immigrant A-As would be meaningful unless adjusted for the selection bias inherent in the immigration policy, i.e. one must apply and qualify to immigrate to the US.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
        • ME II

          @Mike,
          ... forgot the link article:

          "The employment rate of black men, and particularly of low-skill black men, fell precipitously from 1960 to 2000. At the same time, the incarceration rate of black men rose markedly. This paper examines the relation between immigration and these trends in black employment and incarceration. Using data drawn from the 1960-2000 U.S. Censuses, we find a strong correlation between immigration, black wages, black employment rates, and black incarceration rates. As immigrants disproportionately increased the supply of workers in a particular skill group, the wage of black workers in that group fell, the employment rate declined, and the incarceration rate rose. Our analysis suggests that a 10-percent immigrant-induced increase in the supply of a particular skill group reduced the black wage by 4.0 percent, lowered the employment rate of black men by 3.5 percentage points, and increased the incarceration rate of blacks by almost a full percentage point."
          (http://www.nber.org/papers/w12518)

          July 15, 2013 at 12:50 pm |
    • ME II

      @Just the Facts Ma/am...,
      Just an opinion, you mean. You have no way of knowing what would have happened in your hypothetical scenario.

      July 15, 2013 at 11:39 am |
    • derp

      "The fact is that if George was black he would have been convicted. Treyvon wouldn't even have to have been white, this could have been black on black crime and George would have been convicted."

      Exactly!!

      Just look what happened to OJ Simpson.

      Oh, wait, he got off too.

      Nevermind.

      July 15, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
    • Just the Facts Ma'am...

      Racists just love to use the OJ defense. "See! A black man got off! It is possible! And hey! Look at that! We have a black man as President! That must mean racism has finally been eliminated in America! Hooray!" Forget about the numbers, just take two cases that seem to prove your point and you get to feel less white guilt so everybody wins, right?

      We have a severe case of inequality in the American justice system and until we fix it we will continue to see this kind of thing happening, and you may not care because YOUR child is not a black teen that statistically has nearly a 30% chance of ending up going through the prison system at some point in his life. You can sit back and believe that "They are getting what they deserve" or that it's not that the system is broken, "it's just blacks like to commit more crimes," or whatever you have to tell yourself to ease that feeling of guilt.

      I know that those who have the system tilted in their favor don't want to try and fix it, but to then turn a blind eye to those who it's tilted against say's something profound about a persons true self. Those people avoid empathy mirrors or anything that gives them a glipse at their own deep seated racism like the plague, and that is what racism is in this country, an invisible plague where nobody admits to be a carrier but somehow millions are still being infected.

      July 15, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
      • derp

        "We have a severe case of inequality in the American justice system and until we fix it we will continue to see this kind of thing happening, and you may not care because YOUR child is not a black teen that statistically has nearly a 30% chance of ending up going through the prison system at some point in his life"

        My white son is two years older than Trayvon Martin. He was never caught with marijuana. He never was suspended in school. He never tried to buy a gun.

        You know why he never got caught doing those things?

        Because he never did those things.

        You want things to change for young black male America. Make the change, and stop blaming everyone else. It's not my sons fault that your culture is rampant with crime, illiteracy, school drop outs, teen pregnancy and gun violence. More young black men are in jail than in college. You need to fix the culture that perpetuates the problems and stop blaming everyone else.

        July 15, 2013 at 1:16 pm |
        • HotAirAce

          derp, I'm sure your son is a fine person, just as my two sons are, but how do you *know* he has never used marijuana, that he didn't do something in school that warranted being suspended or that he hasn't tried to buy a gun? I don't *think* my sons have done these things, but I don't *know* it for a fact.

          July 15, 2013 at 2:21 pm |
      • Just the Facts Ma'am...

        "It's not my sons fault that your culture is rampant with crime, illiteracy, school drop outs, teen pregnancy and gun violence."

        This is the problem in a nutshell. You don't see them as "Americans" like yourself, you see them as something different, as you say "your culture" not "our culture". Many white Americans still refuse to embrace their black neighbors as equals and so the saga of racism, prejudice and inequality will continue.

        If you see this only as a "black" problem instead of an "American" problem then you are part of the problem.

        July 15, 2013 at 1:28 pm |
        • Alias

          Do you think that the way some balck people are active in a subculture that segreates them from the rest of society may have some impact here?

          July 15, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
      • ME II

        @derp,
        to be fair, none of those things had anything to do with Martin being killed, i.e. Zimmerman could not have had any clue about any of that.

        July 15, 2013 at 1:29 pm |
      • ME II

        @Just the Facts Ma'am...,
        To be fair, I don't think it is that simple either. There are still issues around race in this country, I don't think many would disagree. But to cast the entire Trayvon Martin case into a simple racial issue is, I think, unfair. The situation was more complicated and there are some things that we may never know for certain.

        July 15, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
    • derp

      "Derp, do they call you derp because you have herpies?"

      No moron, if that were the case they would call me herp.

      Do they call you shiz because you are full of sh1t and jiz?

      July 15, 2013 at 1:10 pm |
      • CNN Belief Blog Co-EditorCNN

        That's it, Mary. You've been warned before. You're done here.

        July 15, 2013 at 1:45 pm |
        • derp

          Mary thinks this is unfair!

          July 15, 2013 at 2:06 pm |
  7. Spotter

    It seems that "I'm sorry Dave" is good ole Rational Libertarian under a new handle. How long before he starts calling women c#%*ts again?

    July 15, 2013 at 10:58 am |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      I've been accused of that already. Seriously, are Rational Libertarian and myself the only two conservative atheists on the planet?

      July 15, 2013 at 11:00 am |
      • Vic

        😯 There are conservative atheists?! 😯

        July 15, 2013 at 11:11 am |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

          I know,. Sickening, isn't it?

          July 15, 2013 at 11:16 am |
        • Saraswati

          A lot of Libertarians are atheists and they often are more socially conservative than you would think. The party used to their positions on gay rights on their website so this largely disgruntled white male demographic wouldn't see it.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:20 am |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

          For the record, I fully support gay rights. I come from the 'don't tread on me' camp of conservatism. Ross Perot is a political hero of mine. Make of that what you will.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:24 am |
        • Saraswati

          That was supposed to say "used to hide". The party has long supported gay rights (or at least those that don't involve protections), but had to hide that fact from many of the followers until recently.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:28 am |
        • Tom, Tom, the Other One

          Perhaps Vic is surprised that people aren't united by disbelief in the most irrational idea: that invisible beings exist that struggle with each other to rule us and own our souls.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:28 am |
      • Cpt. Obvious

        You're a conservative but you've never voted republican? Hm.

        July 15, 2013 at 11:11 am |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

          Yeah, it must be so hard to believe that somebody wouldn't vote for the same Rep/Dem retardedness over and over again.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:15 am |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          How could you possibly not do it "again," if you never did it at all? And I don't find it hard to believe, I find it interesting.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:21 am |
        • Saraswati

          @I'm Sorry,

          It's hard to imagine how so many people don't understand that by the nature of our representation and elections we have a two party system which only legislation is likely to change.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:22 am |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

          Cpt. Obvious

          I assure you, it's thoroughly boring.

          Saraswati

          The status quo will remain unless it's challenged.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:25 am |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          What is boring to one person may not necessarily be boring to another.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:30 am |
        • Saraswati

          @I'm sorry, The problem is that people are going about it all wrong. The way the government is structured, with spatial representation and single selection balloting, there will always ever only be two significant parties. Which parties those are may change, but the two party system will not and those elected will not represent the population. If you actually hoped to change things you'd be working for ranked balloting and non-spatial representation (even on the state level). Anything else is just throwing your ballot in the trash. Even if you manage to shift which two parties are the players, the lines will just be redrawn to essentially where they were already...dividing the population in two. It is because people don't understand this that nothing changes. And the parties in power have a strong interest in guaranteeing that you don't understand.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:33 am |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

          Cpt. Obvious

          Very true, although I'm surprised that more people aren't disillusioned by the two party system, but I just find politics tedious. If there was a political apathy party, they'd get my vote every time, assuming I get up off my ass and go to the polling station.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:36 am |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Sara, it seems that dave "challenges" the system by not taking part in it. That makes perfect sense to me.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:37 am |
        • Electric Larry

          Actually, the rise of new parties in America has never come through legislative change. It usually occurred when one or more existing parties failed to give voters what they wanted. America could be a true multi-party system as in Europe, but the existing parties have been quite effective at duping people into voting for them so that the other side wouldn't win. And voters unfortunately prefer to vote for someone who win instead of their true beliefs.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:37 am |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

          Saraswati

          See above comment for why I can't be bothered doing anything about it.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:37 am |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

          Cpt. Obvious

          That's well put although it doesn't make too much sense to me.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:39 am |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Exactly why it's interesting, dave.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:43 am |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

          Electric Larry

          "And voters unfortunately prefer to vote for someone who win instead of their true beliefs."

          Very true, unfortunately.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:43 am |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

          Cpt. Obvious

          OK, now my brain is beginning to hurt.

          I'll put it as simply as it can. If an election comes down to a vote between a d.ouche and a t.urd (as it almost always does), I'd rather stay at home touching myself/watch a blu-ray/read a book (Cormac McCarthy at the moment) than vote between two idiots.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:46 am |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Yes, I realize that, Dave. That's not the interesting bit.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:48 am |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

          What is?

          July 15, 2013 at 11:50 am |
        • Saraswati

          @Larry,

          "Actually, the rise of new parties in America has never come through legislative change. It usually occurred when one or more existing parties failed to give voters what they wanted"

          You missed the point entirely, which is why I usually don't bother trying to explain this. People in the US often think they are radical but tend to be so entrenched in a belief in the system that they don't understand it is the system that is the problem. Of course you don't legislate new parties. But all you are talking about is replacing one two party set up with another. It is the structure of our government and elections itself that is the reason we will always only have two parties. Certainly new parties can eventually gain power, but it will still always be only two parties.

          And no, I don't really expect you to get it.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:54 am |
        • Electric Larry

          There is absolutely nothing in the structure of the U.S. government that limits it to two parties. Indeed, as in Teddy Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln's time, there were three viable parties.

          Why have you become abusive?

          July 15, 2013 at 11:58 am |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

          Electric Larry

          As abuse goes on these blogs, that's pretty tame. Personally though, I prefer to be treated with outright hostility rather than condescension.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
        • Saraswati

          I'm sorry Larry, but you have no idea how many times I've tried to explain this and how few people get it. And so we get silly people voting for third party candidates when they should be out trying to change the system.

          No, of course the structure doesn't forbid a third party, but it makes it practically impossible to have one. First, consider that you have three candidates. You want Smith, but he is unpopular. If you and all your friends vote for him, Jones, your second choice, will lose out to Marshall, by far and away your worst choice. What do you do? Practically speaking you vote for an utter loser almost no one will support, or end up with a candidate the majority dislike. With 10 parties you could, in theory, end up with an extremist supported by only a small fraction of the population. In practice, most people are at least partially aware of this problem and so vote for one of the two major parties, who divide up their positions to try and get just over half of the practical voters.

          Now consider that we elect people for representation based on spatial regions. So if your minority makes up 49% of the population they will potentially never get elected unless they are clustered together in one small area. This goes for any type of minority, including political party. This is why the congress doesn't look like the US and never will.

          I'm really sorry to be rude, but it is extremely painful to explain this hundreds of times and no that almost no one will ever get it because the propaganda machine works hard to make believe the government structure is sound. They are protecting themselves and their positions and this isn't going to change because you vote Green or Reform or Libertarian. It is a two party system, even if that isn't written into law.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
        • Saraswati

          Fine dave, would you feel better if I said "Fvck you and your lazy ass selfish friends who are too lazy to get off your ass and vote, too lazy to bother to understand how the system is stacked against change, too dumb to understand it when it's explained to you, and too self-centered to realize or care that real people are affected by these things."

          Does that make you feel better?

          July 15, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

          Saraswati

          I have such a raging erection right now.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
        • Electric Larry

          Actually Saraswati, you abandoned your original position that America is a "two party system which only legislation is likely to change" and supported everything I said, which is that legislation is not required, and the number of parties is not designed into the system, and it's not likely to happen because people here prefer to abandon their true beliefs in favor of a lesser evil that might win.

          You must not have actually read what I wrote. And I don't care for your snotty stuck-up condescension.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
        • Saraswati

          @Larry,

          "Actually Saraswati, you abandoned your original position that America is a "two party system which only legislation is likely to change" and supported everything I said..."

          No, that's not even remotely what I said. Only legislation (or, less pleasantly, revolution) can change the laws and policies that keep a system which in practice only supports having two parties. I'm out of here. As predicted, you didn't get it and I'm pretty sure you won't.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

          Saraswati

          Do you fart into a wine glass and then sniff the results?

          July 15, 2013 at 12:35 pm |
        • Electric Larry

          I'm sorry you were wrong and are all pissy about it.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:35 pm |
        • Electric Larry

          Oh, that is verbatim what you said at 11:22 am.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:37 pm |
        • Saraswati

          @Larry, reread my posts. Slowly.

          Wow...just out of curiosity is there even one person out there who gets it, because this is seriously depressing me about the level of political awareness of people commenting on these stories.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
        • Electric Larry

          If you could manage to set aside your anger and condescension and read both of our posts at whatever speed you like, you will see that you did indeed say that at 11:22 you said (verbatim) that America is a "two party system which only legislation is likely to change." That was the point I challenged, and at 12:33 you said "that's not even remotely what I said" about that very quote.

          And don't be stupid: legislation for new parties? That is so hypothetical and improbable you may as well say legislation is the only way we are going to get leprechauns elected as Senators. And a revolution is far far FAR more likely to result in one party, not more. Spare us the pure hypothetical nonsense.

          You also misrepresented me by saying " you are talking about is replacing one two party set up with another," which is totally wrong.

          And if you really paid attention, you would have noticed that we are mostly saying the same thing, that it ain't gonna happen because of how people are. Just incredible! You are under the delusion that your commonplace idea is beyond comprehension.

          And when you say " I'm out of here," it looks really bitter and stupid to not be out of here.

          Get over yourself.

          July 15, 2013 at 1:31 pm |
    • lol??

      How 'bout plain ol' dog, spotster?? Now run off and fetch.

      July 15, 2013 at 11:00 am |
      • You are an even bigger idiot

        Whine whine whine. Time to send you into the cornfield.

        July 15, 2013 at 11:03 am |
  8. Love and Hugs and Fluffy Farts

    It is clear that BIG is just here to troll the comment section. Just ignore it and let's move on with logical discussion. The fact of the matter is that Zimmerman was on his way back to his vehicle when Martin attacked him. I can tell that most of you never paid attention to any of the evidence. It is 100% clear that the prosecution never actually had a case. This trial went forward because of external pressure, not because Zimmerman did anything wrong. It is 100% clear that Zimmerman was in fact attacked. After he lost sight of the wannabe thug, the wannabe thug doubled back after having ample opportunity to depart the area. Instead, he chose to return to the area to follow Zimmerman and confront him. He was looking for a fight. He threw the first punch. He threw the only punches. He also slammed Zimmerman's head into the ground. The evidence proves this without doubt. Therefore, the not guilty verdict was correct. You have no evidence to prove any of this otherwise, or else it would have been provided by the prosecution. You're welcome.

    July 15, 2013 at 10:56 am |
    • You are an idiot

      " The fact of the matter is that Zimmerman was on his way back to his vehicle" – no, that is pure speculation.

      "After he lost sight of the wannabe thug, the wannabe thug doubled back " Pure speculation again.

      "He was looking for a fight. He threw the first punch. He threw the only punches" Pure speculation

      "The evidence proves this without doubt" There is no such evidence.

      Any more "evidence" you want to invent?

      July 15, 2013 at 11:02 am |
      • Love and Hugs and Fluffy Farts

        You are incorrect. And it's cute that you changed your handle. Please review the evidence and return when you're educated in the matter. You've just lost the debate.

        July 15, 2013 at 11:06 am |
        • derp

          The DNA evidence showed it highly unlikely that Martin was attacking Zimmerman in the manner of which he claimed; and it also showed that Martin NEVER touched the gun as Zimmerman initially claimed.

          Zimmerman got out of his car, knowingly armed, and followed, against the recommendation of the police dept, a completely innocent 17 year old young man.

          An altercation ensued.

          He shot and killed the boy.

          That is all we know to be facts.

          Everything else is conjecture.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:21 pm |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

        To be fair, lots of the evidence from both sides was speculative and you can't convict based on speculation and circ.umstantial evidence.

        July 15, 2013 at 11:11 am |
        • Saraswati

          Exactly...when you have nothing but speculation, the defense wins.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
    • Plurus

      At the risk of sounding callous, Zimmerman now needs to sue for the defamation he's suffered as a result of this circus. Certain parties took great pains to persecute him on a public stage.

      July 15, 2013 at 11:02 am |
      • Danny

        Ah, but he would have to get on the stand and explain why he told 911 "he's up to no good, looks like he is on drugs" when there is no evidence that Travon was doing anything other than walking through the neighborhood. And he would have to explain why he pursued when he was told not to. He wouldn't get a dime.

        July 15, 2013 at 11:09 am |
        • Plurus

          If I'm not mistaken drugs were found in Martin's system during the autopsy, so he very well might have looked like he was on drugs.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:13 am |
        • Danny

          According to Wikipedia, "The autopsy report stated that Martin had trace levels of THC." THC stays in the system for weeks, so it had been quite a while since he smoked out.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:19 am |
        • HotAirAce

          THC was found in his blood but at very low levels. The defense was permitted to discuss this but chose not to because the levels did not indicate impairment, there were problems with the testing, they did not want to appear to be trashing the victim, there was no need to to win the case, or ?

          July 15, 2013 at 11:24 am |
      • Cpt. Obvious

        Danny, the facts of the case are not pertinent to the claim of defamation of character. They are separate acts.

        July 15, 2013 at 11:13 am |
        • Danny

          The facts are not relevant? I'm afraid I don't understand your point. How is he going to claim he was defamed if he does not point to specific comments, which the facts of the case undermine?

          I'm not saying that people against him haven't been dingbats – that's true of people on both sides. But in a defamation case, he now is the one who must prove his case, and facts will undermine that effort.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:22 am |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          The facts of each case are relevant to that particular case.

          If the "case" is defamation of character, then the evidence would be people defaming Zim's character.
          If the "case" is Trayvon's killing, then the evidence would be the events surrounding Travyon's killing.
          If the "case" is Zim's speeding ticket, then the evidence would be the data collected from the radar gun.

          Seriously, it's not that hard to follow.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:26 am |
        • Danny

          You seem to think that defamation is a free-floating thing. The defamation would be based on specific claims, and as the person bringing the case, he would have to prove they are not true. The facts of the case are inseparably entwined in that.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:50 am |
      • Akira

        The Martin family will most like bring a wrongful death suit, which they will likely win, given that GZ never denied killing Trayvon.
        Who, exactly, would GZ sue for defamation? The media?

        July 15, 2013 at 12:43 pm |
        • Saraswati

          Perhaps he would argue that Martin's father, in changing his position on who he heard on the phone, defamed his character? Not saying this is necessarily what happened, but depending on where these claims were made he could have the beginnings of a case.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
    • Just the Facts Ma'am...

      @Fluffy Farts – I watched the entire trial and he's right, you are an Idiot. Anyone with half a brain could see that Zimmerman should have been found guilty of manslaughter.

      July 15, 2013 at 11:11 am |
      • Freddy K.

        While he probably committed manslaughter, the lack of independent evidence does mean that he should be acquitted under the American system of law. Everything he did up to the fight was stupid but not illegal. Whatever crime occurred in the fight, and the only witness did not see it start, and thus pretty much only said they were fighting.

        July 15, 2013 at 11:16 am |
  9. TP

    God already has plans for dealing with the innocent blood that has been shed from the beginning up until now:
    http://www.nucreature.org/bible-study/hands-that-shed-innocent-blood/

    July 15, 2013 at 10:47 am |
    • God's only criterion

      I'm thinking that he doesn't give a damn about anything but having hordes of sycophants all sucking up, and that he will eternally torture everyone who doesn't kiss his ass for the rest of time.

      If you had a boss like that, you would think him shallow, vain, cruel, and disgusting. And you would quit. But it's okay for god to be like that. Makes sense, yeah?

      July 15, 2013 at 10:51 am |
      • lol??

        Nay.

        July 15, 2013 at 10:56 am |
    • ME II

      @TP,
      I saw in your linked article a reference to eclipse tetrads... what does that have to do with anything?

      July 15, 2013 at 11:25 am |
  10. lol??

    lol??..................................MOB POWER TAKE IT TO THE STREETS, BKUP PLAN CWOOKS IN WASHINGTON
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    The demonically inclined and inspired sure like to CONTROL the thought processes of the masses, like great little socies and Frankfurtian A&A's. Delete AWAY!!!

    July 15, 2013 at 10:42 am |
    • Gotcha

      Actually, knowing that you are being reported and deleted, and that it pisses you off, that makes it a lot of fun to report you too.

      Have a nice day, whiney one!

      July 15, 2013 at 10:53 am |
      • lol??

        AHHhhhhh, a real live Bi Gotcha bigot!!

        July 15, 2013 at 10:58 am |
  11. Tea Party Patriot

    What the hell kind of name is Trayvon anyway? And was he one of those black kids that uses his cell phone inside of a movie theater?

    July 15, 2013 at 10:32 am |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      Irrelevant points from a Tea Partier?? Say it ain't so.

      July 15, 2013 at 10:33 am |
      • carol

        That isnt a real tea partier!! Their paid fakes to make tea partiers look bad!

        July 15, 2013 at 10:37 am |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          carol, you have no idea if that person is a true tea partier, just like there's no way to tell if someone is a "true Christian."

          July 15, 2013 at 10:40 am |
        • Chuckie

          I don't think he could possibly do a better job than you're doing.

          July 15, 2013 at 10:49 am |
    • BIG SHIZ

      It's the type of name of someone who fuk's you're girl.

      July 15, 2013 at 10:34 am |
      • CNN Belief Blog Co-EditorCNN

        You're done, too @Big Shiz. We're not allowing that kind of language on this site.

        July 15, 2013 at 1:48 pm |
        • Petrograd

          I'm confused. It's not okay to swear, but it is okay to make racist posts? I don't see you calling out Tea Party Patriot.

          July 15, 2013 at 2:48 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      Now that's racist.

      July 15, 2013 at 10:35 am |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

        No. As a conservative with libertarian tendencies, I dabbled with tea-baggery myself but when they found out I was an atheist and not racist, I found myself to be an unwelcome addition to their group. They claim to be libertarian but they're mainly fascist theocrats.

        July 15, 2013 at 10:49 am |
      • Hmmmmmmmmmm

        Your first word was no, but all the rest of it was yes.

        July 15, 2013 at 10:55 am |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

        I don't see how.

        July 15, 2013 at 10:58 am |
  12. Travis Byram

    Before I go on with this, I just want you to know that I am NOT racist, or prejudice against ANY ethnic origin. I am merely just stating facts, and giving my personal opinion on the George Zimmerman case. George Zimmerman was only protecting his own life when he killed Trayvon. I believe if Trayvon had been of a different race, Zimmerman would have still defended himself in the same way. I don't think it is right for the NAACP to push the matter any further. All it is doing is causing us to turn against one another; us meaning human individuals. The NAACP is sending the wrong message to our young people, leading them to believe that it is ok to stand up for the wrong thing. It is ok to be proud of your ethnic background, but it is not ok to cry out racism every single time a confrontation happens between an African American, and another race. That is true racism. In other words, its basically giving the young African Americans the wrong idea about what they (NAACP) are truly here to do. This is a civil rights matter, but not a racial one. George Zimmerman, being a civilian, had every right to defend himself if he felt as if his life was in danger. We all have that right. And as for Obama, he needs to open up his eyes and remember what his duty as a President really is. His duty includes keeping the peace among the United States of America, and he is failing that duty indeubidably. All he is doing is causing us to turn against one another when we should be helping each other out. Obama has absolutely NO right to push this issue as a President. He needs to keep his personal emotions to himself. It is NOT in his job description to share his emotional beliefs with the public. He had a chance to do that when he was running for President and failed to do so. Everyone as a whole; needs to remember that in Gods eyes, we are ALL brothers and sisters. So to all of you who believe this is a racial matter, stop and think for a minute what your comments and feelings towards this issue is really saying to our young people. And as for Obama? You need to remember what your duties as a President truly are and stop sending the wrong message to our Nation, and to the World. You are failing miserably as a leader to this Country.

    July 15, 2013 at 10:18 am |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      ^^

      This.

      July 15, 2013 at 10:23 am |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      1. Use paragraphs
      2. The word should be "prejudiced"
      3. It's unintelligent to judge the president by this one response as you do.
      4. I'm sorry that you didn't get the memo, but if you don't fully support Trayvon and consider him as pure and holy as a little baby angel on Christmas morning, you're a steaming pile of racist sh!t and the leader of KKK. Please keep up.

      July 15, 2013 at 10:25 am |
      • Major

        Man shut up!!!! If only we all knew as much as the Cpt.

        July 15, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
    • BIG SHIZ

      You're no racist, you just think George is innocent. Even though he stalked a 17 year old child for walking down the street. Even though the cops told him to stay in the car. Even though you don't know who through the fist blow of the fight. If the sky is blue the sky is blue. And you are racist

      July 15, 2013 at 10:27 am |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

        Yawn.

        July 15, 2013 at 10:30 am |
      • Love And Hugs

        Where is the evidence that George ever threw a punch? The police never told George to stay in his car. He was on the phone with a 911 dispatcher. Dispatchers have no authority to direct, only to make suggestions. The evidence shows that Zimmerman was on his way back to his vehicle as he was very close to it when the incident took place. This means that Martin followed him as he was returning, and thus orchestrated the attack which later resulted in his demise.

        Also, you keep spelling the name Trayvon wrong. Furthermore, I have been reporting a number of your offensive posts so that they will be removed.

        July 15, 2013 at 10:39 am |
        • Thank you!

          Finally a sensible comment. The evidence strongly favors George Zimmerman's account of events. People don't seem to appreciate the risk volunteers like him take to protect neighborhoods from criminal behavior. That night could easily have ended very differently.

          July 15, 2013 at 10:45 am |
        • Freddy K.

          The "evidence" consists of George Zimmerman's account. Are you really dumb enough to accept it at face value when he changed his story as much as he did?

          July 15, 2013 at 11:11 am |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          No, there is more evidence than just Zim's testimony. Don't be silly.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:17 am |
        • Freddy K.

          Do provide the evidence that shows Zim never threw a punch.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:52 am |
      • Travis Byram

        First of all, nothing I said even remotely points to racism. So I find it funny that you think I am racist?

        July 15, 2013 at 10:47 am |
      • lol??

        My dad was a 17 year old child in the military, serving.

        In Africa the military ages go all the way down to about puberty at age 8.

        July 15, 2013 at 10:55 am |
        • Freddy K.

          Your dad lied about his age then. Lying must be a family trait for you.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:10 am |
        • lol??

          "It was a two man gunfight and one man showed up." Billy D. Kid

          Before you visit your local recruiter, be sure you meet the minimum qualifications for serving in the U.S. Armed Forces. Some qualifications are required by all five services:
          You must be a U.S. citizen or resident alien.
          You must be at least 17 years old (17-year old applicants require parental consent).

          military.com

          July 15, 2013 at 11:22 am |
        • Akira

          When I signed my son up for the military, I had to give my consent to sign him up, but he wouldn't have started serving until after he was 18. And this has nothing to do with the topic, so I am unsure of where you are going with this.

          July 15, 2013 at 12:18 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      I don't know about ya'll, but I can always tell the difference between a 17 year old child and an 18 year old adult. And as Big Shiz, pointed out, yes, you're a racist if you even question that Zimmerman might have acted stupidly instead of as the biggest racist since Nathan Forrest.

      July 15, 2013 at 10:31 am |
    • Brother Maynard

      "This is a civil rights matter, but not a racial one. George Zimmerman, being a civilian, had every right to defend himself if he felt as if his life was in danger. "
      ... But doesn't Travon Martin have the same right to defend HIMSELF??
      Think about this for a second. Travon is walking down the street. Some guy is following him. THAT guy has a GUN. Travon defends himself the only way he can, and loses.
      I think the problem is the law. Seems to me that the law says that you can kill someone if you think your life is in danger. That is way too subjective to enforce. Any and every bar fight can now end in a not guilty verdict by the subjective rational of " I thought my life was in danger:"

      July 15, 2013 at 10:56 am |
      • Travis Byram

        As for Trayvon defending HIMSELF, nobody knows who threw the first punch. As for your thought on the Law? I totally agree with you on that point. Well said.

        July 15, 2013 at 10:59 am |
      • HotAirAce

        I believe that Zimmerman initiated the incident and altercation, for all the reasons the prosecution presented. I suspect Zimmerman pulled out his gun way before he says he did. I thought and hoped that he would be found guilty of manslaughter, just as the lead detective originally recommended. But, after watching way too much of the trial, it became clear the prosecution simply did not have sufficient evidence to overcome reasonable doubt. There is no witness to the first punch, or to the fight when the shot was fired. I believe Zimmerman "got away with it." but that it was also the right legal decision.

        July 15, 2013 at 11:18 am |
      • Tom, Tom, the Other One

        You would have to convince a jury that it was reasonable for you to believe that your life was in danger. Perhaps that's not a very high bar when the jury agrees that the person you shot was really scarey looking.

        July 15, 2013 at 11:24 am |
      • Brother Maynard

        ... Who cares who threw the first punch
        Put yourself in the situation. You're walking home. Some guy is following you. You hide behind a bush ...YOU throw the first punch. You feel the gun ... you bash that guys head into the cement.
        " Officer ... he was following me ... he had a gun ... I felt my life was in danger ... I used force to protect myself"
        The law is flawed. You can use that law for EVERY encounter / dispute.

        July 15, 2013 at 11:31 am |
        • HotAirAce

          Yes, your scenario is possible *if* there is not sufficient evidence to the contrary, to overcome reasonable doubt. What's the alternative? Lock up everyone who survives an unwitnessed deadly altercation? One of the USA's founding fathers said something like it is better to let many guilty persons go free than to lock up a single innocent one.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:38 am |
        • Brother Maynard

          "What's the alternative?"
          The alternative is to proscute they way every other state prosecutes that does NOT have this law. Or the way FLA did before initiation of the law.
          I'm not against self protection. For example in the state I live ( Colorado ) we have the "make my day law". Basically this law states that if an intruder enters your home ... you can kill him. This has been execised a number of times.
          The law in Florida has no standard execept the persons "feelings" 100% subjective. AND all you have to do is raise resonable doubt, a very low standard.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:52 am |
    • Saraswati

      @Travis, I think you are misunderstand which part of this story some people are calling racist. It is not generally the point at which the shot was fired (no one has any idea what happened) but the fact that Zimmerman followed Martin in the first place assuming something was wrong by his presence. That said, I don't personally think we have enough evidence to say that race was a motivating factor...might have been, might not have been. We do have evidence that Zimmerman is an idiot, though the jury determined he could not definitively said to be criminally so. He could be tried in a civil court, though I doubt the family will get much more on top of the $1+ million they already got from the homeowners association, and they open themselves up to some legal risk. I don't know if the homeowners association can sue Zimmerman to recoup losses.

      July 15, 2013 at 10:58 am |
      • Travis Byram

        Point taken.

        July 15, 2013 at 11:03 am |
    • lol??

      Don't go pounding strangers in the face and yellin' killin'.

      They might take you seriously.

      July 15, 2013 at 11:04 am |
      • Travis Byram

        your comment made absolutely no sense what so ever.

        July 15, 2013 at 11:08 am |
    • Akira

      Obama has nothing to do with this. He was asked a question back in the beginning, and had he not answered it, the media would have spun it to be "President Obama ignores questions about racial tensions in the world today", or some such nonsense. The media is *very* good at doing this.

      July 15, 2013 at 11:58 am |
      • Travis Byram

        Your wrong. Zimmerman wasn't going to be charged for murder in the beginning. It was Obama that ordered that charge into effect. you obviously don't pay much attn. to the news.

        July 15, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
  13. ♀ michele ♀

    Funny how all the familiar names start posting at the same time

    July 15, 2013 at 10:02 am |
    • froth

      why?

      July 15, 2013 at 10:06 am |
      • ♀ michele ♀

        You don't find it odd that they all appeared suddenly and at a time of day when most people would be working?

        July 15, 2013 at 10:15 am |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

          Some of us have boring desk jobs.

          July 15, 2013 at 10:23 am |
        • fyi

          You do realize that people work different shifts and then there are different time zones. Your assumptions are hysterical.

          July 15, 2013 at 10:44 am |
  14. Tea Party Patriot

    That kid might still be alive if he hadn't shoplifted those Skittles.

    July 15, 2013 at 9:51 am |
    • BIG SHIZ

      God will judge you for being a racist peace of sh it.

      July 15, 2013 at 9:52 am |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

        Not if it's OT god. He tasked Moses to commit tribal genocide on numerous occasions.

        July 15, 2013 at 9:58 am |
        • BIG SHIZ

          Dave, god tasked me with telling you you're a stupid fuk face.

          July 15, 2013 at 10:07 am |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Well at least you're not calling him a niqqer, because that would be racist (unless you're both black then it's fine).

          July 15, 2013 at 10:14 am |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

          BIG SHIZ

          Whatever

          July 15, 2013 at 10:16 am |
      • Cpt. Obvious

        The NT god would probably be okay with it too. In the end, if you're not of the "chosen generation" it doesn't matter if you're racist or not. God's the ultimate racist when you consider what he's going to do to those not of "his race."

        July 15, 2013 at 10:02 am |
        • BIG SHIZ

          God sees all of us as equal.

          July 15, 2013 at 10:04 am |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Maybe your god does, but not the god of the bible. That's why there's two different destinations described.

          July 15, 2013 at 10:09 am |
        • BIG SHIZ

          The bible has been changed many times. There is truth and lies in it. I take the good and leave the bad like all religions. It's not like if you don't believe in religion you have to be a atheist.

          July 15, 2013 at 10:17 am |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Exactly like with everyone else, BS, your god is just your own opinion of what he is. Biblegod is clearly a racist.

          July 15, 2013 at 10:27 am |
        • BIG SHIZ

          The bible god is the same as the individual god.

          July 15, 2013 at 10:29 am |
        • IIIlllIIlIIIlllIIIIIIlllllIIIIIII

          BIG, WRONG. There is no god.

          July 15, 2013 at 10:30 am |
      • Random thought

        Really. Your anger demonstrates frustration with the prosecution, not the defendant.

        Justice was served. Accept the outcome, it is the start of the healing process.

        July 15, 2013 at 10:12 am |
        • BIG SHIZ

          No I will not. And a innocent 17 year old child getting gunned down in cold blood is not justice. Bi tch

          July 15, 2013 at 10:21 am |
        • CNN Belief Blog Co-EditorCNN

          Watch the language, Big, or you're going to barred from commenting.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:07 am |
    • tallulah13

      The kid would alive if George Zimmerman wasn't a pathetic cop-wannabe with temper issues and the rather stupid conviction that having a gun made him a man.

      July 15, 2013 at 10:04 am |
      • Re

        Maybe it didnt make him a man but at least it made him alive, which he might not be had he not had one.

        July 15, 2013 at 10:10 am |
        • tallulah13

          Do you think it's okay to start a fight, then kill your opponent because you are losing? We have only Zimmerman's account about how the fight started, and I don't believe he's a reliable witness. Sadly, the only other witness was dead.

          July 15, 2013 at 10:14 am |
        • IIIlllIIlIIIlllIIIIIIlllllIIIIIII

          tall, WRONG.

          There were witnesses. Did you not pay attention to ANY of the information presented before and during the trial? It is clear that you have no interest in the facts, but would rather base your hatred in speculation. You and the rest of your ilk.

          July 15, 2013 at 10:25 am |
        • BIG SHIZ

          None of the witnesses saw how started the fight. And everyone that assumes tre did is a prejudice racist peace of sh it.

          July 15, 2013 at 10:33 am |
        • BIG SHIZ

          How can you say tre attacked George if no one saw it? Oh yea, you're a racist

          July 15, 2013 at 10:41 am |
        • Saraswati

          @Big, Right, anyone who assumes they know that either Martin or Zimmerman started it has issues. No one knows. As always, this legally favors the defense.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:09 am |
      • IIIlllIIlIIIlllIIIIIIlllllIIIIIII

        WRONG.

        He'd still be alive had he not attacked George.

        July 15, 2013 at 10:22 am |
        • Truth Prevails :-)

          He'd still be alive had Zimmerman minded his own business and did what the 9-1-1 operator said.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:13 am |
        • tallulah13

          Please provide a link to this eye-witness account of who threw the first punch.

          July 15, 2013 at 11:25 am |
  15. derp

    "The Judicial system or jury may not provide justice but GOD will"

    Why didn't the magic sky wizard just stop Zimmerman from shooting Martin?

    Maybe because he doesn't' exist?

    July 15, 2013 at 9:48 am |
    • Saraswati

      Free will is a less plausible concept than God.

      July 15, 2013 at 9:53 am |
      • BIG SHIZ

        You're not that bright, are you?

        July 15, 2013 at 9:57 am |
      • Saraswati

        The comment I was replying to was removed. This should have removed my response but instead bumped it up... Does anyone know if that's a product of timing a submit while the parent comment is being removed?

        July 15, 2013 at 10:04 am |
        • BIG SHIZ

          My bad then

          July 15, 2013 at 10:05 am |
  16. I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/florida-state-attorney-angela-corey-fires-it-director-ben-kruidbos-after-testimony

    Interesting. I really feel sorry for the whistle-blower. It also would imply that Martin may have been a gang-banger, which would deviate from the rosy picture of him portrayed by much of the media.

    July 15, 2013 at 9:22 am |
    • Random thought

      Where is the debate on black on black crimes?

      Why did the prosecution say they wanted the facts to show George commuted a crime, but supposedly didn't want Trevons past activities to have to place in the court proceedings. We don't know all the truth, nor do the protestors.

      It's time to heal. Justice has been served.

      July 15, 2013 at 9:38 am |
      • BIG SHIZ

        If there was justice the racist dik's such as yourself would be the ones to be locked up.

        July 15, 2013 at 9:55 am |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

          How is it racist?

          July 15, 2013 at 9:57 am |
        • BIG SHIZ

          By trying to say we should talk about black on black crime when this blog is about trevon. Or saying justice was served when a innocent child was murdered for walking down the street. And you're racist for trying to say trevon was a gang banger.

          July 15, 2013 at 10:02 am |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

          Well, I take your first point, black on black crime isn't the issue here. But how do we know Martin was innocent? And why else would Martin be illegally purchasing a gun if he wasn't engaged in gang activity? Crying racism at legitimate concerns betrays a deep-seated insecurity and intellectual dishonesty.

          July 15, 2013 at 10:07 am |
        • BIG SHIZ

          Trevon was walking down the street. Everyone should be able to do that in this country without fearing being shoot because of race and gender. If he was commiting a crime he would have ran when George approached him. By assuming he did something wrong you're a racist.

          July 15, 2013 at 10:14 am |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

          Whatever.

          July 15, 2013 at 10:15 am |
    • Harvey

      I very much doubt he was a group rapist, but he was certainly a less savory character than the media portrayed him to be.

      July 15, 2013 at 9:39 am |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

        Perhaps you're being facetious but that's not what I meant by gang-banger.

        July 15, 2013 at 9:43 am |
        • Harvey

          My bad

          July 15, 2013 at 9:46 am |
    • lol??

      Gang bangin' is a way of life brought to you by the antichrist, antifather, socie, LBJ with his War on Poverty. Boy's receive consciences from their fathers. Mama always sayz, "My boy wouldn't do THAT!!"

      LBJ gave the mamas a new hubby, although this federal dude is absent and just a paycheck. Spiritual adultery is the name of the shell game.

      July 15, 2013 at 10:15 am |
      • lol??: another good reason to ignore Christians

        You're whining in the morning, whining in the evening, whining all day long, lolly.

        July 15, 2013 at 10:19 am |
        • lol??

          MMMmmm, I see. Protestin' in the streets and tweets for the sweetie birds. I LUV the smell of chicks on the barbie in the morning.

          July 15, 2013 at 10:36 am |
  17. Random thought

    Not guilty.

    Accept the outcome. Move on.

    Dozen of teenage black males die in Chicago from black on black gang violence.

    Do something about that first. Then, we can have a civil debate on Florida Stand Your Ground Law.

    George is free to live his life in peace.

    July 15, 2013 at 8:25 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Next time you see a neighborhood watch patrol ask yourself "Is that guy armed? Was he trained in any way for law enforcement? Does he have good self-control? Is he sane and sober? Am I safe?".

      July 15, 2013 at 8:29 am |
      • Random thought

        Citizen Patrol is not the problem. In fact it is one of the solution to crime prevention.

        Repeating message, when the communities in Chicago area eliminate black on black crime, start the conversation.

        This is not a race issue. It's a morality issue. America decided a long time ago to no longer be "one nation under God" .

        Black women abort black male children every day. Where are the outcry and protest marches for this?

        Black men abandoned their families or never take responsibility for being a roll model for their sons and daughters.

        Politics is used to divide this nation.

        Old civil rights leaders still live in the past.

        Our black president has to raise the standard of expectations for black leaders to calm the storm, not create it.

        Black leaders must stop the growth of black males dropping out of school.

        Black leaders must stop gang violence and the spread of gangs throughout America.

        It starts at home.

        We are a better nation because of Martin Luther King Jr., but his message has been misrepresented for far too long.

        Judge not the color of their skin, judge the character of their heart.

        July 15, 2013 at 9:20 am |
        • Saraswati

          The US murder rate is at a 60 year low and a fraction of what murder rates were a few hundred years ago. Try turning of Fox New and actually looking at the data.

          July 15, 2013 at 10:09 am |
    • tallulah13

      Georgie may be free, but if there is justice in this world, the civil case will leave him penniless.

      July 15, 2013 at 10:07 am |
      • Saraswati

        I doubt he has any money of his own in the first place. The thing I wonder about is whether his future earnings and inherentence could be impacted or whether he can just declare bankruptcy and be free. I'm not making a comment on what should happen, but just wondering about the FL law.

        July 15, 2013 at 10:12 am |
      • Random thought

        Penniless, so its about money – not Trayvon Martin?

        July 15, 2013 at 2:33 pm |
      • Petrograd

        Don't you think he will easily cash in on interviews?

        July 15, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
  18. HotAirAce

    To The CNN Moderators, why did you delete the thread where "justice for all" was advocating the killing of gays because the bible says that's what they deserve?

    July 15, 2013 at 3:27 am |
    • Saraswati

      I didn't see that but it sounds like such comments would be a pretty clear violation of the terms of service.

      July 15, 2013 at 9:56 am |
      • HotAirAce

        I agree. I was hoping for a statement to that effect, and a reply from coward JFA.

        July 15, 2013 at 10:58 am |
  19. Wondering

    Is there any such thing as "Justice" really? Or is it just one of those things like borders to countries that only exists in the mind's eye?

    July 15, 2013 at 12:49 am |
  20. Lourdes

    It's ok to use self defense. I read about this in the Bible so don't judge Zimmerman.

    July 14, 2013 at 11:40 pm |
    • Increase Mather

      He hast been found a witch I say and I doth judge him in accordance with that book. Verily thou canst expect us to stand by whilst the cattle become dry!

      July 15, 2013 at 12:52 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      "I read about this in the Bible "

      The buybull also says it is okay to beat your children...so how often are you doing that?

      July 15, 2013 at 10:40 am |
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