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July 27th, 2013
08:33 AM ET

Why millennials are leaving the church

Opinion by Rachel Held Evans, Special to CNN

(CNN) - At 32, I barely qualify as a millennial.

I wrote my first essay with a pen and paper, but by the time I graduated from college, I owned a cell phone and used Google as a verb.

I still remember the home phone numbers of my old high school friends, but don’t ask me to recite my husband’s without checking my contacts first.

I own mix tapes that include selections from Nirvana and Pearl Jam, but I’ve never planned a trip without Travelocity.

Despite having one foot in Generation X, I tend to identify most strongly with the attitudes and the ethos of the millennial generation, and because of this, I’m often asked to speak to my fellow evangelical leaders about why millennials are leaving the church.

Armed with the latest surveys, along with personal testimonies from friends and readers, I explain how young adults perceive evangelical Christianity to be too political, too exclusive, old-fashioned, unconcerned with social justice and hostile to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.

I point to research that shows young evangelicals often feel they have to choose between their intellectual integrity and their faith, between science and Christianity, between compassion and holiness.

I talk about how the evangelical obsession with sex can make Christian living seem like little more than sticking to a list of rules, and how millennials long for faith communities in which they are safe asking tough questions and wrestling with doubt.

Invariably, after I’ve finished my presentation and opened the floor to questions, a pastor raises his hand and says, “So what you’re saying is we need hipper worship bands. …”

And I proceed to bang my head against the podium.

Time and again, the assumption among Christian leaders, and evangelical leaders in particular, is that the key to drawing twenty-somethings back to church is simply to make a few style updates - edgier music, more casual services, a coffee shop in the fellowship hall, a pastor who wears skinny jeans, an updated Web site that includes online giving.

But here’s the thing: Having been advertised to our whole lives, we millennials have highly sensitive BS meters, and we’re not easily impressed with consumerism or performances.

In fact, I would argue that church-as-performance is just one more thing driving us away from the church, and evangelicalism in particular.

Many of us, myself included, are finding ourselves increasingly drawn to high church traditions - Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, the Episcopal Church, etc. - precisely because the ancient forms of liturgy seem so unpretentious, so unconcerned with being “cool,” and we find that refreshingly authentic.

What millennials really want from the church is not a change in style but a change in substance.

We want an end to the culture wars. We want a truce between science and faith. We want to be known for what we stand for, not what we are against.

We want to ask questions that don’t have predetermined answers.

We want churches that emphasize an allegiance to the kingdom of God over an allegiance to a single political party or a single nation.

We want our LGBT friends to feel truly welcome in our faith communities.

We want to be challenged to live lives of holiness, not only when it comes to sex, but also when it comes to living simply, caring for the poor and oppressed, pursuing reconciliation, engaging in creation care and becoming peacemakers.

You can’t hand us a latte and then go about business as usual and expect us to stick around. We’re not leaving the church because we don’t find the cool factor there; we’re leaving the church because we don’t find Jesus there.

Like every generation before ours and every generation after, deep down, we long for Jesus.

Now these trends are obviously true not only for millennials but also for many folks from other generations. Whenever I write about this topic, I hear from forty-somethings and grandmothers, Generation Xers and retirees, who send me messages in all caps that read “ME TOO!” So I don’t want to portray the divide as wider than it is.

But I would encourage church leaders eager to win millennials back to sit down and really talk with them about what they’re looking for and what they would like to contribute to a faith community.

Their answers might surprise you.

Rachel Held Evans is the author of "Evolving in Monkey Town" and "A Year of Biblical Womanhood." She blogs at rachelheldevans.com. The views expressed in this column belong to Rachel Held Evans.

- CNN Belief Blog

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soundoff (9,864 Responses)
  1. Jim

    You can't have it all Dyslexic, so make up your mind what you're going to say about Jesus...you say he's a "story", but then next you want to analyze this made up person, calling him a "sociopath", as if you've read the historical record. Maybe you should read the gospels again to see that he stood for social justice and was not a sociopath at all. "Conman"? How many conmen died for the veracity of their message?

    September 1, 2013 at 9:20 am |
    • Flapadap

      Jim Jones and David Koresh, just off the top of my head.

      September 1, 2013 at 6:10 pm |
  2. Dave

    There are two basic ways to control the mass of people.

    1. Violence and suppression. (Militarily)
    2. Control what the masses of people believe. (Religion)

    Anyone who will take a true realistic look at history will see the most of the killing and wars over the last 2000 plus years have been over Religion.

    September 1, 2013 at 7:08 am |
    • photografr7

      As a researcher, I will often file a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request with various branches of the U.S. Government to find out what REALLY happened in history. If the Bible had a FOIA system, I'm sure it would be an eye-opener. The Bible was written by MAN (not God) to impress upon the masses whatever they wanted to impress upon the masses, not necessarily "the truth."

      September 1, 2013 at 7:23 am |
  3. Rob Masterson

    A sensible evangelical? It's shockingly and refreshing all at once.

    August 30, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
  4. Dyslexic doG

    Jesus was just David Koresh 2000 years earlier. A sociopathic conman with a good story and lots of charisma. All this foolishness, without a shred of proof, has sprung up from there.

    utter, mind numbing nonsense.

    August 29, 2013 at 11:54 am |
    • Believer

      What did Jesus do wrong?

      September 1, 2013 at 2:21 pm |
      • photografr7

        For one, he lied about who his father really was. And he used that lie to propel himself to the top of the heap of Christianity. Talk about a big lie. The second biggest lie was perpetrated by Adolph Hitler who is nearly as famous as Jesus.

        September 1, 2013 at 2:26 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          Just curious Photo....when you meet your Maker will you still be in defiance or will you be cowering in fear? No need to reply as I already know the answer.

          September 2, 2013 at 12:12 am |
        • Observer

          Does Zeus require you to cower in fear?

          September 2, 2013 at 12:15 am |
      • Analizer

        Was Zeus your maker?

        September 7, 2013 at 12:28 am |
        • Observer

          Based on the logic in the Bible, Zeus is as likely as any answer.

          September 8, 2013 at 11:41 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          Observer you must not be as observant as you think! The Bible is teeming with logic. It is so brilliantly written that it almost defies human logic and imagination! The deception is what may be deemed by some as simplistic on the surface in reality is so deep and complex that it challenges the human mind to the ultimate extreme.

          September 8, 2013 at 11:56 pm |
        • Observer

          dissidentfairy

          "Observer you must not be as observant as you think!"

          Teeming with logic? You can't be serious. It challenges the mind to try to find logic in so much nonsense in some parts. Did you completely miss the science fiction story of the flood and Noah's ark?

          Please get serious and spend more time reading the Bible. Think about what you are reading and try to apply some logic.

          September 9, 2013 at 12:05 am |
        • dissidentfairy

          I'm very serious Observer. I read the Bible and analyze it all the time. Do you?

          September 9, 2013 at 12:10 am |
        • Observer

          dissidentfairy

          "I'm very serious Observer. I read the Bible and analyze it all the time. Do you?"

          I have analyzed the Bible enough to see that besides some good morals, it also includes errors, contradictions, hypocrisy and nonsense.

          You seem like a sweet, sincere person who wants to believe things without actually deep analysis. Why not spend more time asking yourself questions while reading it rather than just accepting everything and saying "yep, that seems logical to me"? It likely won't change your mind, but it might give you a better idea of why many people don't support it.

          September 9, 2013 at 12:20 am |
        • dissidentfairy

          Observer thank you for that but I'm not gullible. I do research and analyze things too. The reason I believe the Bible is the inspired word of God is because it's deep and makes sense and when it's correlated with history, and archaeology, and Bible prophecy....also....it was written by 40 writers over 1500 years or 50 generations, writers from 10 countries and four different languages, from Kings to fishermen...yet the Bible never veers from it's one central theme. There are no conflicts regarding morality, or God or Jesus Christ. In fact, Jesus Christ is quoted in just about every book of the Bible, and many of the Bible writers quote other writers such as isaiah and Jeremiah. The more one analyzes the Bible the deeper it goes. One tiny example is Revelation 12:12. It says, "But woe to the earth and to the sea." On the surface wouldn't you assume it was referring to the literal sea? Or wouldn't you at least maybe wonder why God is saying, "woe to the sea.?" Why the sea? But if you turn to Isaiah 57:20-21 it explains what is meant by the sea. It says, "But the wicked are like the tossing sea." The Bible is like a maze or Rubik's cube of knowledge. It's up to us to synchronize it like a completed jigsaw puzzle:)

          September 9, 2013 at 12:51 am |
        • Observer

          dissidentfairy

          "There are no conflicts regarding morality"

          So, for instance, you found no conflict when the Bible gives a long list of incestuous relationships that are sinful, and yet incest was God's chosen method to populate the earth both times he did so?

          September 9, 2013 at 12:57 am |
        • dissidentfairy

          Give me one example of God telling someone to commit incest?

          September 9, 2013 at 1:02 am |
        • Observer

          dissidentfairy

          "Give me one example of God telling someone to commit incest?"

          "Be fruitful and multiply". World population: Adam, Eve, and their sons. What woman MUST have been the one to have s3x with?

          September 9, 2013 at 1:09 am |
        • dissidentfairy

          Obviously at that time it must have been their sisters because there were no other people on the earth, but they were closer to perfection back then so they wouldn't have had the genetic issues that we have today. God has never approved of incest any more than he approves of murderers and thieves but he has tolerated certain things man has chosen to do based on free will.

          After God introduced the Ten Commandments people had moral guidelines. Prior to that they lived in ignorance to a degree and can't be held accountable for their actions. God corrected them and gave them a code of morals and ethics to live by.

          September 9, 2013 at 1:38 am |
        • Observer

          dissidentfairy

          "Obviously at that time it must have been their sisters because there were no other people on the earth"
          "God has never approved of incest"

          No contradiction there, right?

          September 9, 2013 at 12:16 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          Once again my reply is not going through so I will try again...The Bible doesn't say where the wives of Cain or Seth came from. I am only speculating. If a person were to get offended or become hung up over every little thing in the Bible that they don't understand then they will never see the greater picture. The Bible says not to judge so that we won't be judged. I'm certainly not going to put myself in the position of judging God would you? I don't feel it would be a very wise thing to do. God had His reasons for doing everything that He did.

          September 9, 2013 at 1:13 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          The rest of what I was going to say refuses to go through no matter how much I tweak it.

          September 9, 2013 at 1:23 pm |
        • Observer

          dissidentfairy

          "The Bible says not to judge so that we won't be judged. I'm certainly not going to put myself in the position of judging God would you?"

          EVERY Christian judges God. They decide which of his "morals" are "good" and they will follow and which of his "morals" are "bad" and they won't follow. That's why so many people don't support slavery and discrmination against women, gays, and the handicapped in spite of the Bible telling them otherwise.

          Christians also judge God everytime they see the contradictions in the Bible. For instance, some will CHOOSE to follow verses that put gays down and refuse them equal rights. Others, will CHOOSE the more important Golden Rule.

          Christians also pretend they know what God thinks even though the Bible never mentions subjects like abortion.

          Choose whatever you like.

          September 9, 2013 at 6:56 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          I feel that All of God's morals are good and I don't pick and choose. If I were to do that then what would be the point of me believing in Him at all if I only believed in Him when it suited me based on my personal preferences? I'm not going to challenge God and tell Him what He should do. I'm not in a position to do that, so if I am to believe in God it's All or Nothing.

          Where in the Bible has God ever discriminated against handicap people? As far as abortion goes of course He is against it. He values human life and took it very seriously in the OT if a man caused injury to a pregnant woman causing her to lose her unborn child. God's morals and ethics are way above ours and for the betterment of man. So who am I to argue with that!

          September 9, 2013 at 8:01 pm |
        • Seth

          "The LORD said to Moses, 'Say to Aaron: ‘For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God. No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; no man with a crippled foot or hand, or who is hunchbacked or dwarfed, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the offerings made to the LORD by fire. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God. He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food; yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the LORD, who makes them holy.""

          Sacrifices were similarly treated: they must be spotless and whole. But why is a man who is not whole any more desecrating in the sight of the Biblical God? What effect does having a body that is not whole have on one's spirituality, the ability to make a sacrifice, on the fervor of one's belief?

          September 9, 2013 at 8:20 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          I just went to a lot of effort to answer you Seth but I see it didn't post....I will try again!

          September 9, 2013 at 9:23 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          God doesn't show prejudice or partiality toward anyone. We all are equal in His eyes and have the same opportunity for salvation, and that includes the blind, deaf, dumb and handicapped. God required perfect sacrifices because perfection was lost through Adam and Eve. The only one who could redeem us from what Adam lost was someone who was considered perfect in the eyes of God, and since no human was perfect, only Jesus Christ was acceptable as our ransom, and even he had to work toward perfecting himself while on earth, it wasn't automatic. "...Son though he was, he learned obedience from the things he suffered, and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him." Hebrews 5:7-9.

          It wasn't that God discriminated against the disadvantaged. He loved them as much if not more than the rest. He required perfect sacrifices to make atonement for our sins. A doctor doesn't discriminate against his patient because he puts them in quarantine, he separates them for the good of man, likewise the spirit of purity cannot be exposed to the spirit of impurity. God required pristine sacrifices but it does not mean that He rejects those with physical imperfections. He offers salvation to anyone who accepts HIm and He will cure all those who believe in hIm.

          September 9, 2013 at 9:30 pm |
        • Observer

          dissendtfairy,

          "Where in the Bible has God ever discriminated against handicap people? As far as abortion goes of course He is against it."

          So do you support slavery? Yes or no? Get serious. The Bible does. Read it.

          Handicapped? God doesn't want you in his churches. (Lev. 21:16-23) “Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, "Speak to Aaron, saying, 'No man of your offspring throughout their generations who has a defect shall approach to offer the food of his God. For no one who has a defect shall approach: a blind man, or a lame man, or he who has a disfigured face, or any deformed limb, or a man who has a broken foot or broken hand, or a hunchback or a dwarf, or one who has a defect in his eye or eczema or scabs or crushed testicles. No man among the descendants of Aaron the priest who has a defect is to come near to offer the Lord’s offerings by fire; since he has a defect, he shall not come near to offer the food of his God. He may eat the food of his God, both of the most holy and of the holy, only he shall not go in to the veil or come near the altar because he has a defect, so that he will not profane My sanctuaries. For I am the Lord who sanctifies them.’”

          Read the rest of your quote about the possible miscarriage: who gets compensation? Yep. The HUSBAND. Typical of the Bible. Nothing for the pain and suffering of the mother.

          In your "analysis" of the Bible, you might have missed the word "abortion". It's not there or ANYWHERE in the Bible.

          September 9, 2013 at 8:33 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          Sorry Observer I may have just sent your reply to Seth. I had to try several times for it to finally work so I may have hit on the wrong comment....

          September 9, 2013 at 9:36 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          Of course I don't support slavery and neither does God. He allowed the Nation of Israel to have slaves back then just like he allowed/allows a lot of things today. Does that mean he approves of everything that goes on? No! He actually told the Jews to release their slaves. They did as He commanded and no sooner had He turned His back on them they went and re-captured them again. God can't be blamed for what man does against man. He made us to make choices and think for ourselves. He gave us guidelines to follow and it's up to us to accept or reject them.

          Re: "The Husband" – I'm sure the man being the head of his house would have shared the compensation with his wife for the loss of the unborn child.

          September 9, 2013 at 9:50 pm |
        • Observer

          dissidentfairy,

          "I'm sure the man being the head of his house would have shared the compensation with his wife for the loss of the unborn child."

          Of course. Husbands never cheat on their wives, or beat them, or be greedy. Of course it makes sense NOT to give the money directly to the poor injured woman.

          Guess you missed verses like this: (Lev. 25:44-46) “Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.”

          It's good that God cares about Isaelite slaves. Tough luck for all the others who are slaves for life and treated as PROPERTY.

          September 9, 2013 at 10:14 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          No Observer, I didn't miss it, like I said, God allowed certain things back then. You can't get hung up over things you don't understand, if you do you will never come to the greater knowledge... '"they shall gnaw upon the outer bark of the tree but shall never attain to the sweet pith that is within." I believe William Tyndale said that...

          September 9, 2013 at 10:37 pm |
        • Observer

          dissidentfairy,

          Just curious. Do you use the negative verses in the Bible to support denying equal rights to gays or do you choose the more important Golden Rule to support gay marriage?

          September 9, 2013 at 10:22 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          Am I on trial now? I have friends and probably a distant relative or two who are Gay. Gay guys actually like me. They think I'm fun. I don't treat Gays bad in fact I worked with a Gay guy a few years ago and I found it rather refreshing because I didn't have to worry about him hitting on me. I rather enjoyed that aspect. As far as God goes He believes that a marriage is between a man and a woman. So who am I to tell God that he's wrong? It's His call not mine!

          September 9, 2013 at 10:48 pm |
        • Observer

          Observer

          dissidentfairy,

          Sorry you missed my question:

          Do you use the negative verses in the Bible to support denying equal rights to gays or do you choose the more important Golden Rule to support gay marriage?

          September 9, 2013 at 10:58 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          Are you trying to play devils advocate? I don't use "negative verses in the Bible" to deny anyone anything. Everyone has free will and makes their own choices. In reference to the "Golden Rule" I assume you are referring to "love your neighbor as yourself?"

          September 9, 2013 at 11:10 pm |
        • Observer

          dissidentfairy,

          So are you saying you support the Golden Rule and support equality, including gay marriage, for gays?

          September 9, 2013 at 11:13 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          I support whatever God supports!

          September 9, 2013 at 11:22 pm |
        • Observer

          dissidentfairy,

          "I support whatever God supports!"

          God supports the Golden Rule. It's extremely important according to the Bible. So do you support equal rights including marriage for gays?

          Simple question. Why is it so hard to give a "yes" or "no" answer?

          September 9, 2013 at 11:25 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          I would neither march for nor deny them their rights. Are you Gay?

          September 9, 2013 at 11:33 pm |
        • Observer

          dissidentfairy,

          I am not gay or even remotely close. I am just fed up with Christian HYPOCRITES who deny equal rights to gays when there are FAR FAR MORE Christian adulterers (through divorce and remarriage) than there are total gays.

          So if your state voted on gay marriage, would you vote for it?

          September 9, 2013 at 11:37 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          I wouldn't vote on it either way. I'm not going to march in a Gay parade but at the same time I'm not one who would march in a so called Christian anti-Gay parade either. It's not my place to judge and yes there are all sorts of religious hypocrites out there. I guess I would stay neutral and let God have the final say. He is the examiner of hearts and he knows who is good and who isn't.

          September 9, 2013 at 11:52 pm |
        • Observer

          dissidentfairy,

          Matthew 7:12 “Treat others as you want them to treat you. THIS IS WHAT THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS ARE ALL ABOUT.”

          Gays want to get equal rights. Why wouldn't you treat them as you want others to treat you?

          Why do you CHOOSE not to support the Golden Rule?

          September 9, 2013 at 11:59 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          I do support the Golden Rule! Do you support all things? Do you support murderers and child molesters and thieves? Does loving someone mean you have to approve of everything they do? The Bible says that we are to love even our enemies but it also says that we are to hate what is bad. We don't have to love what they do!

          September 10, 2013 at 12:13 am |
        • Observer

          dissidentfairy

          "I do support the Golden Rule! Do you support all things? Do you support murderers and child molesters and thieves?"

          Gays are following the Golden Rule with their loves. Obviously murderers and child molesters (never called a sin in the Bible) are not. Ridiculous comparison. Can't you do any better than that?

          Nothing has changed. Apparently you CHOOSE to follow the verses the pick on gays and CHOOSE NOT to follow the Golden Rule to treat them like you would want to be treated, you know, like having EQUAL RIGHTS.

          The Golden Rule is more important than verses picking on gays. Why don't you follow it when it comes to gays and their desire for EQUAL RIGHTS?

          September 10, 2013 at 12:22 am |
        • dissidentfairy

          I do not pick on Gays! I always treat everyone the way I would like to be treated. I have been very considerate of others, even as a child I never bullied or picked on anyone!

          September 10, 2013 at 12:31 am |
        • Observer

          dissidentfairy,

          "pick on them" was maybe not the best way to phase it, but by not supporting them by voting on EQUAL RIGHTS you certainly are not treating them the same way you would want to be treated if you were denied equal rights.

          As the Bible says, the Golden Rule is what the law and the prophets are all about, but probably there's fine print saying it's not when it comes to gay rights. Choose to ignore the Golden Rule. Not a big deal for Christians.

          September 10, 2013 at 12:40 am |
        • dissidentfairy

          I'm certainly not going to try and please people over God. If there is a conflict between the two then I will have no choice but to choose God.

          September 10, 2013 at 12:46 am |
        • Observer

          dissidentfairy

          "I'm certainly not going to try and please people over God. If there is a conflict between the two then I will have no choice but to choose God."

          That explains why you choose to support the Bible which supports slavery and discrimination against women, gays, and the handicapped.

          My morals are different. I find all of them to be barbaric.

          September 10, 2013 at 12:52 am |
        • dissidentfairy

          What do you mean?

          September 10, 2013 at 12:56 am |
        • Observer

          dissidentfairy

          "What do you mean?"

          I thought it was clear. You stated that if there is a conflict between people and God, that you would choose God. I choose to support the people while God supports slavery for them and discrimination against women, gays and the handicapped.

          We have different ideas on morals.

          September 10, 2013 at 1:31 am |
        • dissidentfairy

          I'm sorry you see it that way. It looks like we have reached an impasse. I wish you a good night though:)

          September 10, 2013 at 1:41 am |
        • Observer

          dissidentfairy,

          Yes. Let's leave it that we disagree on morals. We are both content to say that I have different morals than the Bible and that's fine.

          Good night.

          September 10, 2013 at 1:46 am |
        • dissidentfairy

          Okay Observer.

          September 10, 2013 at 1:50 am |
        • dissidentfairy

          PS -Good night:)

          September 10, 2013 at 1:51 am |
  5. John McGrath

    Breaking News: God has announced that he is filing for divorce from all earth-based religions due to irreconcilable differences.

    August 28, 2013 at 10:16 pm |
    • photografr7

      Does Jesus receive child support?

      August 28, 2013 at 10:22 pm |
      • Evangeline

        You guys are nothing but wiseguys! Shame on you!

        August 29, 2013 at 12:32 am |
        • Doobs

          Watch it, guys. The Church Lady is here!

          September 1, 2013 at 3:37 am |
    • dissidentfairy

      Not too far from the truth! The truth is stranger than fiction, ergo, another reason to believe:)

      August 28, 2013 at 10:28 pm |
      • Observer

        Finally someone has come up with an excuse for the Noah's Ark science fiction story.

        August 29, 2013 at 1:16 am |
  6. tada

    i would like to thank personally, everyone, who pleaded with cnn to remove this post. they didn't

    "True Believer Palin's butthole is ripe for the pounding. I would donkey punch her until she passed out in front of her ret@rd son." god-hating nazis are strangely silent

    August 28, 2013 at 8:20 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      There are no "god hating Nazis" on this board, dipsh!t. Why don't you complain about not getting any help from magical elves, next?

      August 28, 2013 at 9:09 pm |
      • photografr7

        No, I'm a God-hating Jew.

        August 28, 2013 at 9:11 pm |
      • tada

        thanks. good to know. btw, how do you know?

        moron

        August 28, 2013 at 10:55 pm |
        • Doobs

          I guess the "Gott mit uns" belt buckles gave it away.

          September 1, 2013 at 3:39 am |
    • tada

      thanks everyone. wow! i am amazed at your outpouring of righteous anger for the animal who wrote that and for CNN as they proudly feature it right here. honestly, i didn't think you would express such vehement contempt for a fellow athie

      "Seth
      I think you're mistaking me for someone else. Based on what I know of the Bible, BibleGod would not be happy with either of us. We don't have enough of a desire for it to be true such that we abandon our skepticism for it, hence burn. But again, we both know that the evidence is lacking, or we wouldn't be agnostics/atheists."

      is that right? what kind of evidence is lacking, good buddy?

      August 28, 2013 at 11:10 pm |
      • Seth

        The kind of evidence you would expect to not be lacking when we're dealing with a deeply personal, extremely powerful, and very involved God that was written to once have worked hefty miracles and regularly intervened in the world's affairs in a fairly obvious way. Where are the rivers of blood? The columns of fire? The burning bushes and giant floods? It's not even a question a scoffer would ask, it's a question of simple reason.

        August 28, 2013 at 11:38 pm |
        • too easy

          you are right. wait, let's do it kate's way. AGREED

          SO, POINT BEING after all, we have nothing suggesting his existence as in 14 billion light years of time and space and trillions of stars and black holes and dark matter and the god particle.

          talking snakes are inconceivable given the obvious limitations of god.

          moron

          September 1, 2013 at 1:16 am |
        • Seth

          For someone calling me a moron, you're sure doing a lousy job of understanding my argument. Nowhere did I say that the God concept is limited, I'm saying that it's unsubstantiated because we don't observe miraculous, super or counter-natural events or explicit, direct communications from God. You cite the universe as evidence of God, but it's no more evidence for God than the smashed windshield of your car being evidence that your neighbor did it. It's a fraught assumption.

          September 1, 2013 at 1:52 am |
        • too easy

          i know how you think. i've seen your arguments hundreds of times as you pose under hundreds of names.

          you love to correct others for not seeing things correctly, when it is you who can't.
          your brain doesn't reach logical decisions or conclusions when you are confronted with similes and abstract comparisons.

          god created the universe, a miraculous event, in my book. he can create a talking snake, nothing to it when you compare that to creating the universe. you take things literally when you shouldn't. you will argue that the creation of the universe is not a miracle and miss the point. what is the point? you limit god's power

          September 1, 2013 at 2:29 am |
        • dissidentfairy

          I doubt it was a talking snake in the literal sense of the word...more like Satan the ventriloquist making it appear like it was the serpent. The devil is described in the BIble as the "original serpent." Revelation 12:9.

          September 1, 2013 at 3:24 am |
        • Seth

          Okay, where are you pulling this talking snake idea from? Are you even responding to the same argument I posed?

          September 1, 2013 at 3:32 am |
        • S-3B Viking

          Seth...a bit of blog etiquette please...

          Name the person you are adressing, please...with "@ S-3B Viking" for instance...or the common salutation in a letter such as:
          ___________________
          S-3B,

          Why do you...
          ___________________

          Please...thanks in advance.

          September 1, 2013 at 3:40 am |
    • HotAirAce

      And if you want the statement gone, quit posting it!

      August 29, 2013 at 6:25 am |
      • sam stone
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        September 1, 2013 at 1:34 am |
        • cap oblivion
          agreed point being sup? there is nothing wrong with his posting this. it is kind a sweet. not one atheist complained so there you go "True Believer Palin's butthole is ripe for the pounding. I would donkey punch her until she passed out in front of her ret@rd son." god-hating nazis are strangely silent"True Believer Palin's butthole is ripe for the pounding. I would donkey punch her until she passed out in front of her ret@rd son." god-hating nazis are strangely silent"True Believer Palin's butthole is ripe for the pounding. I would donkey punch her until she passed out in front of her ret@rd son." god-hating nazis are strangely silent"True Believer Palin's butthole is ripe for the pounding. I would donkey punch her until she passed out in front of her ret@rd son." god-hating nazis are strangely silent"True Believer Palin's butthole is ripe for the pounding. 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          September 1, 2013 at 1:38 am |
      • rex

        i see. you don't mind the animal posting it. you never complained

        September 11, 2013 at 10:19 pm |
  7. Pentheus

    How did Jesus get along with RELIGIOUS people? Not as well as you might expect: http://goo.gl/VKwbWz

    August 28, 2013 at 2:19 pm |
  8. Leigh Anne

    The problem with many religions is that they look VERY little like their founders. Christians look little like the Itinerant Jewish Rabbi who healed people, fed the poor, chewed out religious hypocrites, and told people not to cast stones unless they were "without sin".

    August 28, 2013 at 11:44 am |
    • tada

      "True Believer Palin's butthole is ripe for the pounding. I would donkey punch her until she passed out in front of her ret@rd son." god-hating nazis are strangely silent

      they surround you without your knowledge. don't look at the glitz. look where no one notices

      August 28, 2013 at 8:23 pm |
    • rabbi

      you think he was a jewish rabbi who helped the poor and didn't judge? have you lost your atheist mind?

      September 1, 2013 at 9:31 am |
  9. Moshe Jackson

    I don't want politics, just a free pass into heaven for hating blacks, browns and gays. If you can provide, sign me up!

    August 28, 2013 at 10:51 am |
    • photografr7

      You left out wives and disobedient children.

      August 28, 2013 at 11:11 am |
      • jjg777.

        Hate will definitely get you before the living God. But I suspect you won't like the meeting.

        August 28, 2013 at 11:18 am |
        • photografr7

          I was quoting God about women and punishing children. Let God send himself to Hell for such thoughts.

          August 28, 2013 at 11:29 am |
        • jjg777.

          You are a creature. God is the creator. You might think that as the creature you can make judgments on the creator but you are sadly mistaken. Your judgments on God like so many men before you will not matter one iota. While you live on this earth you have the choice to submit and worship the All Mighty God or not. But when you die he will reign supreme and you will see the nail prints in his hands. I pray you will worship the God of the Universe who made every star, and who told us that the Universe was expanding. He loves you and does not want you to perish. Come to him while there is still time.

          August 28, 2013 at 11:46 am |
        • photografr7

          Do me a favor.Read what you just typed to me on a flash drive and send it to the closest sanitarium to your city. I assure you that men in white jackets will be knocking on your door in no time. And no, I'm judging God, I'm judging you, a mere mortal capable of voicing grave errors, just as you have so clearly demonstrated.

          August 28, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
        • Observer

          All tyrants love people who will do exactly as told or be tortured.

          August 28, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
        • jjg777.

          Tyrants don't send their sons to die in your place.

          August 28, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          jjg777, Even if the story were true it says that Jesus is up in heaven. So at worst it was a bad weekend.

          August 28, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
        • photografr7

          If I'm wrong, the worst that will happen is a pleasant meeting with a loving God. If you're wrong, you've wasted your entire life in wasteful prayer and Bible meetings.

          August 28, 2013 at 1:44 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          It doesn't work that way. He is loving but only to those who deserve it. It's like anything else in life, we usually get back what we put into it. Are you expecting a free ride? If we choose to side with Satan and be an opposer of God and a mocker of Him then we will be be dealt with accordingly. If we choose to give God the recognition He deserves then he will be kind and compassionate with us. if you think that you can oppose God and in the end you will have "a pleasant meeting" you might be in for a rude awakening.

          "...I will make my words known to you. Because I have called out but you keep refusing, I have stretched out my hand but there is no one paying attention, and you keep neglecting all my counsel, and my reproof you have not accepted..." Proverbs 1:23-25 "Then they will call to me but I will not answer; they will look for me but will not find me. For that they hated knowledge, and the fear of God they did not choose." Proverbs 1:28-29

          The knowledge of God is inherently in all of us but the truth is many choose not to believe because God doesn't fit into their lascivious lifestyles and they are not willing to conform to His greater understanding of what is best for us. "But don't just listen to God's word. You must do what it says. Otherwise, you are only fooling yourselves." James 1:22

          August 28, 2013 at 2:17 pm |
        • photografr7

          You believe in Satan too? Does he have a long tail and a spiked tongue? You are delusional, and need mental help immediately.

          August 28, 2013 at 2:22 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          I believe in the Bible and this is what the Bible has to say: "Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don't understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God." 2 Corinthians 4:4

          "Stay alert! Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour." 1 Peter 5:8

          "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." Ephesians 6:12

          "We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one." 1 John 5:19 "And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light." 2 Corinthians 11:14

          "Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." James 4:7

          "And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and it's angels battled but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven, so down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth, and his angels were hurled down with him." Revelation 12:7-9

          "Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short." Revelation 12:12

          August 28, 2013 at 2:36 pm |
        • Seth

          "The knowledge of God is inherently in all of us but the truth is many choose not to believe because God doesn't fit into their lascivious lifestyles and they are not willing to conform to His greater understanding of what is best for us."

          Were you raised in Christianity? If so, I could see why you would come to that conclusion. But I was raised in it as well and departed from it not because I like sin (that was more, in some ways, a pleasant side-effect), but rather because I was made to realize that it's unsubstantiated speaking from a standpoint of reason and evidence.

          If there is a God, and he wants people who are so dedicated to the ideas in the Bible that they will follow them even without any intellectual rigor behind them, then Christianity simply isn't for me. I am not made for it, and clearly this God has no interest in changing me as such.

          August 28, 2013 at 2:25 pm |
        • photografr7

          Why doesn't god float down into midtown Manhattan, in front of CNN cameras, give an hour-long interview to Anderson Cooper, and fly off to where ever he came from. Then we'll all be converted, and you'll never be bothered again. ......................................................................................... I'm still waiting. Of course, God, the all-knowing deity knew I would type that a millennium ago, so he had a millennium to get a haircut and to buy a nice suit......................................... So where is he? I'm an impatient mortal.

          August 28, 2013 at 2:33 pm |
        • Seth

          I've come to the conclusion that if BibleGod is real, then He wants people who are so loyal, who so want it to be true, that nearly anything will suffice as evidence for the Bible's veracity and for His existence. In other words, it's a sieve from which the vast majority of humanity is discarded.

          August 28, 2013 at 2:40 pm |
        • photografr7

          So he's happy with non-believers? Can I use his name on my resume? If he has no problem with "people like me," why do "people like you" have a problem with "people like me"?

          August 28, 2013 at 3:17 pm |
        • Seth

          I think you're mistaking me for someone else. Based on what I know of the Bible, BibleGod would not be happy with either of us. We don't have enough of a desire for it to be true such that we abandon our skepticism for it, hence burn. But again, we both know that the evidence is lacking, or we wouldn't be agnostics/atheists.

          August 28, 2013 at 3:25 pm |
        • photografr7

          Seth, I wasn't responding to you. I was responding to the same idiot you were responding to. I should have used the @ sign. Sorry for the confusion.

          August 28, 2013 at 3:42 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          The Bible is extremely complex and it takes great effort to research. The more one delves into it the more one is enlightened, and the more one comes to love God and understands to some degree why God does what he does. I say to some degree because the Bible says that "no man can fully understand God." It says, "My thoughts are nothing like your thoughts," says the LORD. "And my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine." Isaiah 55:8

          My father was an Atheist but he became a believer and eventually became what I would call a Bible scholar. So I have him to thank for my appreciation of God. If I had been raised in a home that was different from the one I was raised in then I might have become an Atheist too. He reasoned with me with logic and backed up everything he said. I have a very analytical mind and it takes a lot to convince me, like you, I have no desire to believe in something that isn't true. If this life was all there was then I would prefer to accept it for what it is rather than believe in fairytales, but I am 100% convinced that God exists and he will do exactly what he says. I wasn't raised with a superficial level of emotional Evangelical Christianity. I was fortunate to have been shown the deeper things of the Bible, things that instill genuine faith and belief.

          August 28, 2013 at 2:59 pm |
        • Seth

          I am glad to see you understand my perspective. Surely if you were convinced, we could discuss what you believe is reasonable evidence for the faith?

          August 28, 2013 at 3:08 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          I do understand where you are coming from. I have friends and relatives who are Atheists/Agnostics. I don't consider myself superior to them. I'm not exactly sure though what you are asking.

          August 28, 2013 at 3:20 pm |
        • jjg777.

          Bad weekend!!! The bible says of Jesus in Isaiah 53

          He is despised and rejected of men: a man of sorrow and acquainted with grief, and he hid as it were our faces from him, he was despised and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken smitten of God and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgression, he was bruised for our iniquities, the chastisement of our peace was upon him and with his stripes we are healed.

          The was oppressed and he was afflicted, et he open not his mouth, he is brought as a lam to the slaughter and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb so h openeth not his mouth.

          He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for transgression of my people was he stricken.

          He made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death: because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

          August 28, 2013 at 1:36 pm |
        • photografr7

          @jjg777 Be honest, are you on the internet at the library at your local psych ward? Because you sure sound like it.

          August 28, 2013 at 1:46 pm |
        • Observer

          jjg777.

          "Tyrants don't send their sons to die in your place."

          Most tyrants would save their son's life instead of watching him die when it was totally unnecessary. If God believed the sincerity of Jesus there was no reason to let him die. If God just wanted to prove he exists, there are an infinite number of ways to do that.

          If God is ominipotent and omniscient, he could have found other ways to accomplish what letting his only child die. Heartless.

          August 28, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
        • jjg777.

          @protogratf7
          The bible says that without shedding of blood there is no remission of sin. And not just any blood. All through the old testament when the priest went to the holy of holies he had to take blood of a lamb with out spot or wrinkle (perfect) and this was a foreshadowing of Christ coming. The bible says Christ is the "Perfect lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the world."

          Since only one man who was God was perfect...Only Christ would do as the sacrifice for our sins. God could not find another way to offer to save us.

          Your logic will never be superior to God's.

          August 28, 2013 at 3:55 pm |
        • jjg777.

          Regarding your comment about God floating down in front of camera so that all the world can see.

          The bible predicts a time (soon but I don't know when) that all born again believers will be taken up into heaven and leave only un believers on this earth. This event will come suddenly and I suspect will leave a great deal of chaos in its midst. God will then send two men (maybe old testament men) to preach the Gospel. When people try to stop them, fire will proceed out of their mouth and the whole world will get to watch this event in Israel.

          They will have power to stop rain and anyone that tries to kill them will be killed. The Antichrist will finally succeed in killing them and the whole world will celebrate (a big party) But on the third day, ON CNN most probably they will rise up and go up into heaven just like the Lord before them did.

          Then will come a time on the earth like the world has never seen. All the water will turn to blood. Everyone will be forced to take the MARK OF THE BEAST in order to buy or sell. But the bible warns that if you take that MARK OF THE BEAST, your doom is sealed. The seven year period will result in most of man kind being killed.

          Those who are left will be divided into sheep and goats. The goats will be those who took the Mark or those who would not help his 144,000 Jews who will likely have been converted when the Christian are taken in to heaven and they are left of the earth.

          All who are goats will be casted into Hell for eternity.

          Note all of the prophesies that you won't believe that I pointed out in the Psalms. Well this is another one that will happen. I pray that you be converted before that time.

          August 28, 2013 at 4:21 pm |
        • Seth

          I have just one question for you, jjg777. Why would you favorably cherry pick your interpretations of Bible verses instead of starting from observational reality only and then approaching the Bible from a standpoint of skepticism? Isn't the latter how you react to most new ideas?

          August 28, 2013 at 4:42 pm |
        • photografr7

          Would "soon" be 10 years, 100 years, 1000 years or a 1,000,000 years. Since God has existed since the beginning of time and will live until the end of time, who knows what God meant by "soon." So I wouldn't hold your breath. And if it really is "soon," when will "soon" expire so I can officially call God a liar? And even if born again believers are sent to heaven, how will we know it? Maybe an LDS bus will blow up and Mitt Romney will sadly announce they are all the passengers are now sitting on the right hand of God. Go prove Romney wrong!

          August 28, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          As a Believer I personally don't interpret the Bible as saying that "born agains/Christians" will necessarily go to heaven. I feel there is good evidence to support that God will return man to His original purpose of living here on the earth. "For the upright will live in the land, and the blameless will remain in it; but the wicked will be cut off from the land, and the unfaithful will be torn from it." Proverbs 2:21-22..."In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever." Daniel 2:44..."The righteous will inherit the land and dwell in it forever." Psalms 37:29..."A little while, and the wicked will be no more; though you look for them, they will not be found. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace." Psalms 37:10,11..."The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling all together; and a little child will lead them. The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox. The infant will play near the cobra's den...They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea." Isaiah 11:6-9.

          As far as God being slow respecting his promises just remember this: "A day to God is as a thousand years." From God's perspective it's only been two days not 2000 since He sent his Son to redeem us. "Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water by water. By these waters also the world at that time was deluged and destroyed." 2 Peter 3:3-6

          August 28, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
        • photografr7

          Another name for "scoffers" is "scientists" and "people that believe in science and evidence." Most if not all professional scientists are atheists. There might be a few stragglers that are still believers to keep their elderly mothers happy, but eventually they'll disappear too.

          August 28, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          Wow! You are so wrong about that! Yes there are a lot of scientists who are Atheists but not all: Charles H.Townes – Nobel Prize winning Physicist-Inventor "God is very difficult to define, but I feel his presence. I feel an omnipresence everywhere and something, at the same time, rather personal...When the idea for the laser came to me, I was sitting on a park bench thinking, Now, why haven't I been able to do this? Suddenly a new idea comes to me, a new creation. Where did it come from? Did God give me this idea?...In science we don't talk about it much. You say, Well, I had an idea..."

          Allan Sandage – Astronomer-"The world is too complicated in all its parts and interconnections to be due to chance alone...the existence of life with all its order...is simply too well put together. Each part of a living thing depends on all its other parts to function. How does each part know? How is each part specified at conception? The more one learns of biochemistry the more unbelievable it becomes unless there is some type of organizing principle – an architect for believers."

          Nikola Tesla – "The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power."....Sir J.J. Thomson – Physicist-discovered the electron, atomic isotopes, invented mass spectroscopy-"As we conquer peak after peak we see in front of us regions full of interest and beauty, but we do not see our goal, we do not see the horizon; in the distance tower still higher peaks which will yield to those who ascend them still wider prospects, and deepen the feeling, the truth of which is emphasized by every advance in science, that 'Great are the Works of the Lord'."....James Joule – Physicist- "It is manifestly absurd to suppose that the powers with which God has endowed matter can be destroyed any more that they can be created by man's agency. "Lord Kelvin -Mathematical Physicist-Engineer-Founder of Thermodynamics- "We feel that the power of investigating the laws established by the Creator for maintaining the harmony and permanence of His works is the noblest privilege which He has granted to our intellectual state...As the depth of our insight into the wonderful works of God, the stronger are our feelings of awe and veneration in contemplating them and in endeavoring to approach their Author."

          Isaac Newton – "I have a fundamental belief in the Bible as the Word of God, written by men who were inspired. I study the Bible daily." ("This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." John 17:3)...Johannes Kepler – "Since we astronomers are priests of the highest God in regard to the book of nature, it befits us to be thoughtful, not of the glory of our minds, but rather, above all else, of the glory of God."....Paul Dirac – Physicist -"God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world."....Paul Dirac – Physicist -"God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world."....Ernest Rutherford -Physicist- "Of all created comforts, God is the lender; you are the borrower, not the owner."....Galileo – "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."...Louis Pasteur – "The more I study nature, the more I stand amazed at the work of the Creator."....Johannes Kepler – "O God, I am thinking Thy thoughts after Thee."...Niels Bohr – Physicist -"Einstein, stop telling God what to do!"...Isaac Newton – "Atheism is so senseless. When I look at the solar system, I see the earth at the right distance from the sun to receive the proper amounts of heat and light. This did not happen by chance."

          Francis Bacon – "There are two books laid before us to study, to prevent our falling into error: first, the volume of the Scriptures, which reveal the will of God; then the volume of the Creatures, which express His power."...Robert Boyle – Chemist – "When with bold telescopes I survey the old and newly discovered stars and planets when with excellent microscopes I discern the inimitable subtility of nature’s curious workmanship; and when, in a word, by the help of anatomical knives, and the light of chemical furnaces, I study the book of nature I find myself oftentimes reduced to exclaim with the Psalmist, "How manifold are Thy works, O Lord! In wisdom hast Thou made them all!" Psalms 104:24....

          Gottfried Leibniz – Mathematician- Founder of differential and integral Calculus (independently from Newton) "In God there is Power, which is the source of all, also Knowledge, whose content is the variety of the ideas, and finally Will, which makes changes or products according to the principle of the best."...Ernst Haeckel – Biologist-Naturalist-Physician-Professor- "Ever more clearly we are compelled by reflection to recognize that God is not to be placed over against the material world as an external being, but must be placed as a 'Divine power' or 'moving Spirit' within the cosmos itself."....George Washington Carver – Scientist- Botanist- Inventor-Educator- "I love to think of nature as an unlimited broadcasting station, through which God speaks to us every hour, if we will only tune in ."....Michael Faraday -Scientist- electromagnetic induction- diamagnetism-electrolysis- "The book of nature which we have to read is written by the finger of God." (Einstein kept a photo of Faraday on his wall).....Galileo – "When I reflect on so many profoundly marvelous things that persons have grasped, sought, and done, I recognize even more clearly that human intelligence is a work of God, and one of the most excellent."Nicolaus Copernicus – "I shall now recall to mind that the motion of the heavenly bodies is circular, since the motion appropriate to a sphere is rotation in a circle." ("He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth..." Isaiah 40:22)....Charles Darwin -"To suppose that the eye with all of its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus for different distances, for admitting different amounts of light and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree."

          Max Planck – Physicist – Quantum Physics- "Anybody who has been seriously engaged in scientific work of any kind realizes that over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: 'Ye must have faith.' ("Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Hebrews 11:1)....Albert Einstein – "Before God we are all equally wise – and equally foolish." (The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." Psalms 14:1)

          Francis Collins M.D., Ph.D., “Will we turn our backs on science because it is perceived as a threat to God, abandoning all the promise of advancing our understanding.......Alternatively, will we turn our backs on faith, concluding that science has rendered the spiritual life no longer necessary...Both of these choices are profoundly dangerous. Both deny truth....Both will be devastating to our future. And both are unnecessary. The God of the Bible is also the God of the genome...”

          August 28, 2013 at 6:01 pm |
        • photografr7

          OK, one by one:

          Allan Sandage may "feel his presence" but can he measure it? Can he quantify it? Can he record it with any device known to man? Who am I to question a distinguished American astronomer, but when it comes to proving God's existence he's breaking every scientific rule in the book. He should stick to astronomy.

          August 28, 2013 at 6:11 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          You actually hit the nail on the head! God can't be explained because he is Supernatural something science rejects because he can't be seen. The mistake scientists make is thinking they are wiser than God...."For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. As the Scriptures say, "He traps the wise in the snare of their own cleverness." 1 Corinthians 3:19...."At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent, and revealed them to little children." Matthew 11:25...."Be not wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD, and turn away from evil."...Proverbs 3:7 "So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal." 2 Corinthians 4:18...."Do you see a person wise in their own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for them." Proverbs 26:12

          "My thoughts are nothing like your thoughts," says the LORD. "And my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine." Isaiah 55:8

          August 28, 2013 at 6:23 pm |
        • photografr7

          Actually, that's not correct. Scientists believe in many things that are either invisible to the naked eye, or are too small to see, or are too large to imagine, or simply cannot be seen no matter how hard you try, such as gravity, sub-atomic particles, radio waves, etc. It's just God that we don't believe exists, because he only exists in the minds of those who are foolish enough to believe a Bible written by men who were as gullible or foolish or ignorant as you and other theists obviously are........

          August 28, 2013 at 6:30 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          Obviously science believes in things that are unseen...just not God for the most part.

          There are so many ways to prove that the Bible is the inspired Word of God. I'm sorry you don't choose to see it. I decided a while back not to comment on Belief articles any more because I felt it was pointless. Too many Atheists who usually go on the attack instead of willing to have a polite debate. So I am surprised at myself for doing it again. I wish you well photografr7 with your pursuit of the truth.

          Just a couple of thoughts to leave you with: The Bible to this day is still the best selling book of all time. Why hasn't it dried up and blown away by now? Because it is the inspired word of God! Consider this: Forty men wrote the Bible over 1500 years. Now think about that! They lived in 10 different countries, and spoke four different languages, and came from all walks of life, most didn't even know each other, yet the Bible is in harmony from beginning to end. Why would these men bother? Why is the Bible in sync and not a complete senseless mess of jumbled words? Why hasn't archaeology and science proven the Bible to be untrue? How could Biblical prophecies predicted by prophets such as Isaiah, as much as 500 years in advance of the event, be fulfilled, and also verified by history as being true?

          The Dead Sea Scrolls are in sync with the Bible. Biblical Archaeology that's been unearthed supports the Bible's accuracy at every turn. How could Bible writers such as Job who lived in the desert have known about snow and what was under the sea, etc. How did Bible writers know that the earth "hangs on nothing" that the earth is a "circle"? That cleanliness stops the spreading of germs, that a little wine is good for us? Science has only recently in modern times found out some of these things.

          What about Bible prophecy yet to be fulfilled? How could Matthew be so accurate in the 24th chapter regarding the signs of the last days. Also 2 Timothy 3:1-5, how could the writer have been so accurate thousands of years ago in depicting how things are today..."But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people." 2 Timothy 3:1-5.

          I've only listed a few reasons as to why the Bible is to be believed...there are so many more...like I said, I wish you well in your pursuit:)

          August 28, 2013 at 7:31 pm |
        • Seth

          Christians say I am called to account, so I will. I am a man who believes in facing his demons and attempting to answer tough questions. Let me proceed to break this down point by point.

          Q: "The Bible to this day is still the best selling book of all time. Why hasn’t it dried up and blown away by now?"

          Many complex ideologies persist to this day. That they do does not mean that they are the truth. This can be easily demonstrated by the continued existence of Islam, of the Vedas, and of other ancient religions, philosophies, and literature that theologically conflict with the Bible. It is also easy to point out that the popularity of an idea does not point to its truth – this holds especially true for the Bible, which holds that only a small subset of the world's population will actually find favor with God.

          August 28, 2013 at 11:04 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          The Bible as far as I know has been the consistent best selling book of all time. You would think it would have taken second place to another book after all of these years but it hasn't. I think I know why:)

          August 29, 2013 at 1:46 am |
        • Seth

          Q: How could Matthew be so accurate in the 24th chapter regarding the signs of the last days. Also 2 Timothy 3:1-5, how could the writer have been so accurate thousands of years ago in depicting how things are today…”But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.” 2 Timothy 3:1-5.

          Poor Richard's Almanac was an extremely popular book in its time, yet it didn't say anything particularly new. It was simply a good rehashing of widely-held common wisdom. The Bible was the same thing, only far earlier – human nature has always included its greedy, its lustful, its skeptical, and its disrespectful elements. The reason this prophecy was so spot-on is because it was already true at that time and merely continues to be true to this day – more so, in fact, by the simple virtue of there being more of us.

          August 28, 2013 at 11:09 pm |
        • Seth

          PART 2: Continuing from the time of the Israelites up the diaspora, what remained was a substantial body of narratives, parables, guidelines, and (Israelite and Jerusalem-centered) prophecies. As stated before, a person who desires to get or to retain power has much to gain from influencing popular and deeply-ingrained ideas, even if all they gain from it is establishing among an audience the form of theology they believe (or would prefer) to be the truth. I am fuzzy on the history of the New Testament, but I am aware that the Roman Empire had much to gain from propagating a popular, easily-accessible, and largely prefab ideology. An empire that ranged far through both time and space, the promise of influence, the ease of working from extant traditions... I believe these three ingredients account for a far easier and more reasonable set of possible explanations than all the supernatural and theological beliefs that accompany a Christian perspective on the Bible. Occam's Razor.

          August 28, 2013 at 11:11 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          People and nations have always had their own agenda and they still do. I can appreciate your honesty in regard to you being a little "fuzzy" about the New Testament. I hope you will read it and give it a chance. Believing in the Supernatural can be far superior to placing all your trust in man. "Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save." Psalms 146:3

          August 29, 2013 at 12:40 am |
        • Seth

          Q: "Why hasn’t archaeology and science proven the Bible to be untrue?"

          To me, it would actually be surprising for there to be an archaeological find that proved the Bible wasn't true. Writers wrote of the time in which they lived; they were as much historians as they were philosophers and storytellers. We would then expect that the Bible would be a good historical resource. As far as science, one could technically argue that science has verified the impossibility of certain events, but this can either be explained away by faith in miracles or by claiming that the interpretation science would refute (the infamous Young-Earth interpretation, for example) is not a valid interpretation.

          In fact, the interpretation on the part of the believer is often arbitrarily made in favor of supporting Biblical prescience – See jjk's posts for an example of Bible-science cherry-picking. In other words, it wouldn't matter whether or not science "disproved" the Bible, because there would always be some other interpretation through which it could be viewed such that it were not "disproven."

          In my mind, the most intellectually honest way of approaching one's interpretation of the Bible is through the appropriate historical and cultural context. People of the time DID BELIEVE in flat Earths, in global floods, in astral domes. In that sense, I believe the Bible has been thoroughly debunked. However, you do point out passages that offer sound and scientifically-supported advice. That will be a topic I cover later in this discussion.

          August 28, 2013 at 11:12 pm |
        • photografr7

          “Why hasn’t archaeology and science proven the Bible to be untrue?”

          Have you forgotten that little thing called evolution which puts Genesis to rest? Besides, why do believers have selective memories and cherry pick from the Bible that which agrees with history or science, and forget the rest? Even a broken clock is right twice a day. But to draw the conclusion (using those two moments as proof) that the broken clock has been proven to be absolutely accurate is a good analogy to those who try in vain to prove that the Bible is absolutely accurate.

          August 28, 2013 at 11:28 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          Thank you for your nice words. I believe that the "young earth" interpretation is valid. In regards to people believing in "flat earths" are you making reference to something in the Bible? If so, where? I have never seen any mention of a flat earth before, at least not in the Bible. A "global flood." Yes, there is mention of a global flood in the Bible.

          Seth how can you say that the Bible has been "debunked" if you are "fuzzy" regarding the New Testament? You owe it to yourself to do the research. It could mean the difference between life and death. Have you ever seen this video on You Tube? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0u3-2CGOMQ It's actually very entertaining. It's probably put out by a religious organization but the Atheists are pretty much rendered speechless. The people being interviewed are students and professors on a college campus, some are PhD.'s, but they seem to have tremendous difficulty defending their Atheism. If you haven't seen it it's definitely worth the watch:)

          August 29, 2013 at 1:09 am |
        • Seth

          "Seth how can you say that the Bible has been 'debunked' if you are 'fuzzy' regarding the New Testament?"

          What I mean is, if you examine the OT/Hebrew Bible from a historical and cultural perspective, the likely interpretation of several passages would coincide with popular ideas of the time, not with modern scientific interpretations. It is these contextual interpretations that I find most likely to be the author's original intent, and, I guess not surprisingly, the easiest to say with confidence are in conflict with reality.

          Again, yes, there is a certain level of assumption I'm making, but my point isn't to prove atheism, just to show that theism isn't provable beyond a reasonable doubt.

          August 29, 2013 at 4:12 am |
        • dissidentfairy

          What parts are in conflict with reality? Assumptions can be deadly. We never convict anyone over an assumption....certainly not God.

          August 29, 2013 at 12:37 pm |
        • Seth

          For the questions on Job, Biblical science, etc.:

          The land where Job was written to live does occasionally receive snow today, especially in its mountainous regions. But even if the author of Job had never personally seen snow, it is likely that travelers and tradesmen relayed such ideas to him.

          August 28, 2013 at 11:27 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          How did he know about the deep rivers under the sea? That each snowflake is unique to itself? Bible writers wrote of many things they didn't understand. Daniel actually became unnerved over what he was instructed to write, and he asked what it meant, but he was told not to be concerned, that it would be revealed at the "time of the end." He died never knowing the meaning of some of the things he was instructed to write about.

          August 29, 2013 at 1:34 am |
        • photografr7

          Actually, every snowflake isn't different. That's just what they tell 4th-graders and Biblical students.

          August 29, 2013 at 3:42 am |
        • dissidentfairy

          You need to go back to school and do more research!

          August 29, 2013 at 12:14 pm |
        • Seth

          As far as I know, there is no reference to underground rivers in the Bible. The Isaiah passage (43:16) usually cited as a reference to ocean currents is far more likely to be a back-reference to Moses's parting of the Red Sea. However, there are references to underground springs. This is not surprising, as the Hebrews had much experience obtaining water from springs and might have pondered the various sources of the Great Flood and/or for the oceans themselves.

          August 29, 2013 at 4:08 am |
        • Seth

          Continuing, it is still possible to interpret "hangs on nothing" from the perspective of (for example) Babylonian cosmology. The Earth wouldn't "hang" from anything so much as it would "float" in something, likely the primordial waters mentioned in Genesis. There is no reason to treat the interpretation favorably, especially in the historical context. As well, the Hebrew word used for "circle" in Isaiah is not the Hebrew word for "sphere;" there is a distinct Hebrew word for sphere, but it is not used to describe the Earth in that passage. "Circle" could just as easily mean a flat Earth with no edges or corners.

          August 28, 2013 at 11:28 pm |
        • photografr7

          If true believers at the time didn't think the earth was flat (which they "learned" from the Bible), why was everyone so surprised when Columbus proved it was a sphere?

          August 28, 2013 at 11:32 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          I feel that Atheists sort of grasp at straws with that one. There are interpretations that associate a circle with a sphere. Copernicus is one example. – "I shall now recall to mind that the motion of the heavenly bodies is circular, since the motion appropriate to a sphere is rotation in a circle." ("He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth..." Isaiah 40:22)

          August 29, 2013 at 1:40 am |
        • Seth

          I particularly disagree with the "grasping at straws" comment here – my prerogative isn't to show that the passage's meaning definitely refers to a flat Earth, merely that the spherical interpretation can be avoided for alternatives. The "flat Earth" comments come from examining the historical context of the time in which Isaiah was written, during which desert peoples typically believed in a snowglobe universe. The Hebrew language has several words for circle and words specifically for sphere; a word for circle, (importantly) as opposed to sphere, is here used.

          However, as you mentioned, this could also be a poetic reference to the Earth's turning motion, but from an Occam's Razor standpoint I see more evidence in favor of an interpretation supporting a flat Earth than no-holds-barred, predicting-science-and-miracles-all-the-way Christianity.

          August 29, 2013 at 4:04 am |
        • dissidentfairy

          "Massive underwater rivers that flow along the bottom of the oceans have been discovered by scientists. Researchers working in the Black Sea have found currents of water 350 times greater than the River Thames flowing along the sea bed, carving out channels much like a river on the land. The undersea river, which is up to 115ft deep in places, even has rapids and waterfalls much like its terrestrial equivalents." By The Telegraph – Richard Gray – Science Correspondent – as per Dr. Dan Parsons – University of Leeds

          August 29, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
        • Seth

          So again, I am not arguing that oceanic currents do not exist. They most certainly do. However, it is a huge reach to say that the Bible refers to both oceanic currents and vents. You can't tie an interpretation to a fact without explicit evidence of the author's intent. "How could he have known" is not nearly as important a question as, "what was he trying to say, based on what he and others knew or believed at the time?"

          Perhaps you weren't referring to me when you said that "you guys" are polarized, but if you're coming at this from the perspective of someone who never witnesses miracles and is a reasonable skeptic, the evidence you're putting forth will inevitably fail to convince them. Such is the case for me.

          August 29, 2013 at 4:21 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          I understand. I hope you don't give up on your search for truth Seth:)

          August 29, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
        • photografr7

          And while you're at it, crack open a science book.

          August 29, 2013 at 4:46 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          You do the same Photo:) I'm always researching! it has become an obsession of sorts:)

          August 29, 2013 at 4:52 pm |
        • photografr7

          Not only do I crack them open, I write them. 🙂

          August 29, 2013 at 4:53 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          Write them? As in scientific? Where might I discover some of your work?

          August 29, 2013 at 5:01 pm |
        • photografr7

          Most are articles, but a book is in the works. You'd have to contact me directly. I can't post my e-mail but you can.

          August 29, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
        • Seth

          Finally, the traditions of cleanliness that the ancient Hebrews followed could have been two things: The preservation of traditions that appeared, through trial and error, to be good for health, and/or the formal affirmation of widely-held instincts/opinions (most of us are horrified by disease, repulsed by filth, etc.) through the creation of traditions that held to them.

          August 28, 2013 at 11:34 pm |
        • jjg777.

          Science is man;s system to attempt to understand God's creation. God created man and therefore science. God is perfect man is imperfect. Therefore God exist outside of the rules of science.

          PS. I am a pharmaceutical chemist.

          August 28, 2013 at 7:09 pm |
        • Seth

          By your logic, if God created man and man created science, ergo God created science, then God also created evil and sin. By your logic.

          August 28, 2013 at 7:14 pm |
        • photografr7

          I don't care if you are Albert Einstein, what you say is absurd. If God made the universe and the laws of the universe, he is powerful enough to break them.

          One question: Has God ever made something travel faster than light? a) yes b) no

          If yes (a), you shouldn't be a pharmacist or the man that sweeps up at the end of the day. Einstein proved mathematically that nothing could travel faster than light. For if it did, its mass would grow to infinity which is impossible

          If no (b), why not? Surely he has the power. What is he waiting for? The universe began when, at the start of time itself, and he never saw fit to make something travel faster than "the speed of light"? It almost seems as though God conforms to the scientific laws of the universe and not the other way around. Surely an omni-powerful deity conforms (stoops) to no one or nothing.186,000 miles per second? That's a snail's pace. If I were God, I would have things wizzing around 1,000 times that fast just for the hell of it.

          You may have to rethink this whole God thing. I'll be here, get back to me when you've answered my question.

          – B.A. in Philosophy and Mathematics

          August 28, 2013 at 7:26 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          God exists outside the rules of science and that is why they don't get it. We live in a world of length width and height. God's world is a world of 12 dimensions not 3. Mathematically speaking in regards to Pythagoras theory the 3rd. dimension comes from the 12th dimension, ergo, 1 plus 2 =3. According to Pythagoras theorem we are talking metaphysics, so if you try and explain God through the laws of physics you will be in gross error because it is only a fractional part of metaphysics which man is only scratching the surface of. Do not assume that God doesn't exist as that would be beyond foolish.

          August 28, 2013 at 8:38 pm |
        • Observer

          Science is man's tool to better understand the world. It is ever-changing as knowledge increases.

          The Bible is a stagnant book supporting slavery and discrimination against women, gays and the handicapped. It not only offers no insights into science, math, geography, etc., it pretends that all the laws of science are optional.

          August 28, 2013 at 7:39 pm |
        • fred

          Observer
          You said: "The Bible is a stagnant book supporting slavery and discrimination against women, gays and the handicapped. It not only offers no insights into science, math, geography, etc., it pretends that all the laws of science are optional."

          =>Sorry to see you have so much hate in your heart. The Bible is a story of redemption based on endless love and simply asks that we love God and love others as ourselves.
          =>What makes the Bible Divine is that it reveals the true soul of the reader every time.
          =>Lucky for you God has forgiven all and continues to hold out the gift of Christ for you.

          August 28, 2013 at 7:48 pm |
        • photografr7

          What makes you so special? There are 100 trillion planets. Why did God choose this one to see his only son killed off in such a violent manner? What if someone on some distant planet wants redemption 10 million years from now. What will God say, "Sorry, too late"?

          August 28, 2013 at 8:02 pm |
        • fred

          photografr7

          "One question: Has God ever made something travel faster than light? a) yes b) no "
          =>yes, time removed from our construct of space-time. Another would be a particle within a “warp bubble”

          August 28, 2013 at 8:28 pm |
        • photografr7

          I know nothing of warp bubbles, but if outside of space-time count, I've traveled faster than light too. I can be at the edge of the black hole event in five seconds... 1,2,3,4,5.... using my imagination. And God had nothing to do with it.

          August 28, 2013 at 8:35 pm |
        • fred

          photografr7
          =>phase velocity is a speed faster than light
          =>shadows and light spots can travel faster than light
          => photons travelling across two uncharged conducting plates (Casimir Effect) must go faster than speed of light

          August 28, 2013 at 9:00 pm |
        • photografr7

          But God can't... lol

          August 28, 2013 at 9:06 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          "shadows travel faster than the speed of light":

          LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! Please, by all means, keep believing in your invisible and undetectable sky wizard.

          August 28, 2013 at 9:16 pm |
        • photografr7

          Shadows aren't "something." They are the absence of something, namely light. In the same way, the "absence of God" exists. To see it, open your eyes.

          August 28, 2013 at 9:19 pm |
        • fred

          photografr7
          "What makes you so special?"
          =>I do not think we are told why God began to create. It is our deduction that God must have done so because it is the nature of God based upon our observations. Made in His image and likeness designed for eternal unity. The theme of Adam was it is not good for man to be alone. Jesus at the cross suffered most when faced with separation from the Father, My God My God why hast thou forsaken me.
          We assign attributes such as love etc. to God because we really cannot visualize God who is of form and substance that cannot be measured or seen. Even the Bible does not draw a picture of God and the best image we have is of Jesus who was the full reflection of the Glory of God (nothing physical or of matter and energy)

          August 28, 2013 at 9:24 pm |
        • fred

          photografr7
          I was attempting to stay clear of virtual particles. Shadows move faster than light and are more than virtual and can be observed. If you take a light behind an object you can move the light or object and depending the angle and distance from say a wall the shadow can be made to move faster than light. A bit of tensor calculus will lay it out if you need a mathematical proof.
          As to spots an electromagnetic pulse will display itself in the atmosphere as speeds greater than the speed of light itself (same principle as shadows)

          August 28, 2013 at 9:38 pm |
        • photografr7

          I think they are optical illusions, so they don't count. Light is composed of photons (i.e. matter), and matter can't move faster than light or the mass of that matter would grow exponentially until it's mass was infinite. (E=mc^2 with a little arithmetic) So it ain't going to happen. They tried to make something (matter) move faster than light with the Large Hadron Collider, and failed. Einstein's Theory of Relativity stands, and God falls cause I found something God can't do i.e. make matter travel faster than light.

          August 28, 2013 at 9:51 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          fred, Deduced from what observations? You may look at the universe and say "I don't understand therefore a god did it" but you have no evidence that a god did it. If you had deduced from observations, you'd be able to provide them so others could follow step-by-step to reproduce and verify your findings. You cannot do that.

          August 28, 2013 at 9:44 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          fred, stop pretending to be absolutely bat-sh!t stupid idiot. You know full well that a shadow is not a "thing" that moves faster than light. Seriously, get ahold of yourself.

          August 28, 2013 at 9:45 pm |
        • photografr7

          Do I win? Me (1) God (0)

          August 28, 2013 at 9:55 pm |
        • HotAirAce

          fred is not pretending. . .

          August 28, 2013 at 9:51 pm |
        • photografr7

          If I can outwit God, can you imagine what a really really really smart person could do? 🙂

          August 28, 2013 at 9:56 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          You seriously think you've outwitted God? Think again! "There is no wisdom, no insight, no plan that can succeed against the LORD." Proverbs 21:30

          August 28, 2013 at 10:02 pm |
        • photografr7

          God can be defeated with simple logic. Any child can do it. Since God can't exist, he doesn't. In addition, there's no need for a God, and everything attributed to God can be explained without him, or will eventually be explained as science progresses.

          August 28, 2013 at 10:21 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          "There's no need for a god" Seriously? Can you save yourself? I have a challenge for you. When you are on your deathbed taking your last gasp and just about ready to cease to exist I'd like you to reflect on your words today.

          August 28, 2013 at 10:41 pm |
        • photografr7

          Saved from what? Eternal Hell-fire which also doesn't exist? You have yourself a deal. And by the way, you are delusional and need to see professional help.

          August 28, 2013 at 10:51 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          I don't believe in Eternal hell either and I don't believe that the Bible teaches it.

          August 28, 2013 at 10:59 pm |
        • photografr7

          If not hell then what? Oh, you think my soul will live for eternity and will be judged as I enter the pearly gates of heaven? OK, keep thinking that. Or do you believe in purgatory. You religious types are so confusing sometimes.

          August 28, 2013 at 11:02 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          Neither purgatory nor limbo exist in the Bible. They were made up by the Catholic church probably to extract monies out of their grieving parishioners. Think about it, if you place someone in limbo after they die they can extract monies from the surviving relatives to bail them out, ergo, their pricey ticket to heaven. The Church used to practice this along with selling heavenly guarantees to those who could afford to pay. I guess the "poor" that Jesus talked so fondly of were out of luck back then. I'm not sure what their policy is today but those two places do not exist and never existed and are not found any where in the Bible.

          If you compare various Biblical translations, same Book, scripture, and verse, some will say, hell, others sheol, pit, and grave. They all mean exactly the same...the grave! The Bible says, "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 6:23 Notice it doesn't say eternal torment. It also says, "The one who sins is the one who will die." Ezekiel 18:20. Churches like to use the parable of Lazarus burning in hell to justify that hell exists and to scare everyone." But that was just a symbolic parable meant to teach a lesson regarding The rich man and Lazarus. In it Lazarus begs for a drop of water to quench his thirst. One drop of water to quench his thirst? In a literal burning fire? No way!

          Also why would God be less just than man? Do we torture convicted felons or put some of them to death? So why would a loving God do any less!

          August 28, 2013 at 11:45 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          Correction: I'm getting tired....it was the rich man who asked for a drop of water to cool his burning tongue not Lazarus.

          August 29, 2013 at 12:21 am |
        • Observer

          fred,

          "Observer
          You said: "The Bible is a stagnant book supporting slavery and discrimination against women, gays and the handicapped. It not only offers no insights into science, math, geography, etc., it pretends that all the laws of science are optional."

          =>Sorry to see you have so much hate in your heart"

          Get serious fred. Where is any hate in there? I report FACTS about the Bible and you have no FACTS to disprove my statements so you desperately call them hate. You are really grasping at anything, even if you have to make it up.

          Get honest.

          August 29, 2013 at 1:10 am |
        • Observer

          dissidentfairy

          "I feel that Atheists sort of grasp at straws with that one. There are interpretations that associate a circle with a sphere"

          Basic math: A circle is a FLAT 2-DIMENSIONAL object. A sphere is a 3-DIMENSIONAL object. The only one in the Bible who could have seen the earth from above was God. If you want to persist in arguing that God, who created it, wasn't bright enough to know the difference between a circle and a sphere, go right ahead.

          If you know the difference between a circle on a piece of paper and a baseball, then you can see how foolish your argument is.

          August 29, 2013 at 1:58 am |
        • dissidentfairy

          Observer: Are you disputing Copernicus too? I just copied this from Wikipedia: A circle of a sphere is a circle defined as the intersection of a sphere and a plane. If the plane contains the center of the sphere then the circle is called a great circle, otherwise it is a small circle. Circles of a sphere have radius less than or equal to the sphere radius, with equality when the circle is a great circle.

          August 29, 2013 at 2:10 am |
        • Observer

          dissidentfairy

          "Observer: Are you disputing Copernicus too? I just copied this from Wikipedia: A circle of a sphere is a circle defined as the intersection of a sphere and a plane."

          Wow! Of course Copernicus is correct. Don't you understand the difference between lines on a piece of paper and an object with length, width and HEIGHT? Do you see any difference between a square drawn on a piece of paper and dice? Have you ever tried to play softball with a picture of a circle on a piece of paper rather than a softball?

          August 29, 2013 at 7:29 am |
        • A Frayed Knot

          dissidentfairy,

          You are off base with this "circle of a sphere" track.

          1. A circle of a sphere would be like a slice taken from the sphere - a cross section… like taking a complete slice from an orange right through the middle (say, at Earth's equator), or at an angle (from Norway to Australia), or a small slice just of the rind (from Norway to Spain).

          2. The Earth is not a true ball-like circular object anyway. It is an oblate spheroid or ellipsoid. If you took slices from it in certain directions they would not be perfect circles, but more like ovals.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_the_Earth
          http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=earth-is-not-round

          3. The Bible is mainly a religious book, with some early Hebrew history (including historical fiction and fantasy). The “science” from the ancient Hebrews was simply what the people of the time observed. There is nothing magical nor supernatural about that ancient “science”.

          August 29, 2013 at 11:32 am |
        • dissidentfairy

          "The possibility that the Earth's equator is an ellipse rather than a circle and therefore that the ellipsoid is triaxial has been a matter of scientific controversy for many years." -Wikipedia

          August 29, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
        • Seth

          What dissidentfairy meant with that comment invoking Copernicus is that the Earth's rotation is circular – even if the Earth is not a perfect circle, its rotation would still be around a central axis. The important point is the revolving motion. In any case, it's moot because it can't be proven that the verse refers to a spherical Earth or the rotation thereof.

          August 29, 2013 at 4:17 pm |
        • photografr7

          Forget circle vs. sphere... If the Bible were actually the word of an infallible omniscient deity, it would say - somewhere in the Bible - that there were 8 or 9 plants, not just the five you can see with your naked eye. Wake up!

          August 29, 2013 at 4:28 pm |
        • Seth

          You can't win by saying "the Bible should contain X," because it is as easy as saying "Who are you to question what God reveals in His Word?" in response. All that needs to be done to defeat evangelism is to show that the evidences in support are faulty. That leaves belief completely up to the individual's desires and priorities – skepticism or spirituality, which is more important?

          August 29, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
        • photografr7

          Yes, but if it says there are it planets in the Bible, and there are actually 8 or 9, we call that on the farm "lying," and God is incapable of lying. I think. Or has he lied for a greater purpose? really need to go back to Bible class! lol

          August 29, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          Yes! Thank you Seth:)

          August 29, 2013 at 4:29 pm |
        • fred

          photografr7

          Do I win? Me (1) God (0)
          =>No, you changed the question. Original question : "One question: Has God ever made something travel faster than light? a) yes b) no "
          I gave you several "somethings" from "virtual particles" to real observable events (shadows and light spots).
          =>Then you changed the question from "something" to matter faster than light. In this regard the Casimir Effect does cause photons to move faster than the speed of light...............sorry it is a proven fact. Did you care to argue photons are not "matter"?

          Conclusion you did not out smart God. Further, you cannot outsmart God by definition unless you have pitted yourself against a god of your own design and not the God of Abraham. This is the problem with atheists, they construct god of their own making then claim such cannot exist.

          August 29, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
        • Observer

          fred,

          "This is the problem with atheists, they construct god of their own making then claim such cannot exist.". Nope, they report on the God described in the Bible that believers ignor.

          The problem with believers is that they construct their own God. Their false God doesn't support slavery, but does oppose abortion.

          August 29, 2013 at 12:11 pm |
        • fred

          A Frayed Knot
          In that case you should interpret the Bible based on the time culture and audience the writer was addressing. In the case of sphere vs circle from Isiah the Hebrew word in that time actually referred to the Wedding dance of the Hebrew. That "circle" dance was symbolic of an all encompassing sphere that encircled the united couple in unity with God. Now, given there are other references to one dimensional circles outside of Isaiah I cannot say the Bible intended to refer to the earth as flat or an oblate spheroid (assuming the wedding couple had a few drinks I doubt they could dance in a perfect circle)

          August 29, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
        • Observer

          dissidentfairy

          "The possibility that the Earth's equator is an ellipse rather than a circle and therefore that the ellipsoid is triaxial has been a matter of scientific controversy for many years." -Wikipedia

          I'm surprised that you'd present more evidence that you and the Bible are wrong, but admire your honesty.

          The equator isn't even a perfect circle.

          Once again you seem to have a major problem understanding the simple difference between objects drawn on a piece of paper and those of 3 dimensions having not only length and width (see paper), but height. As your quote points out, the earth is not a perfect sphere, but very slightly like an ellisoid which is another 3-dimensional object, apparently keeping you thoroughly confused.

          August 29, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          You need to address those thoughts with Wikipedia...I was quoting them...

          August 29, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
        • Observer

          fred,

          "there are other references to one dimensional circles "

          Wrong. There are NO one-dimensional circles.

          You seem as totally confused by mathemetics as dissidentfairy.

          August 29, 2013 at 12:31 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          Your condescending will get you no where Observer – When did I ever discuss "one dimensional circles" with you!

          August 29, 2013 at 12:45 pm |
        • photografr7

          The only one-dimensional 'thing" is a point. So if you want to call a point a circle, it's an awfully small circle with a radius of ZERO... which also happens to be the likelihood that God exists.

          August 29, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
        • Observer

          dissidentfairy

          "Your condescending will get you no where Observer – When did I ever discuss "one dimensional circles" with you!"

          I never said you did. Read my comment again. It wasn't for you.

          You keep trying to pretend I disagree with wiki when I totally agree with them. The issue here seems to be that you don't understand the concepts of plane geometry vs. solid geometry. You keep pulling accurate quotes from wiki and somehow claiming that I disagree with them in any way. Please spent time working on your knowledge of mathematics. You keep burying yourself deeper and deeper.

          August 29, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
        • dissidentfairy

          You brought me into it. Actually this is a waste of my time. You guys are polarized. I'm leaving the site. I wish you well Observer and hope you find whatever it is you are looking for:)

          August 29, 2013 at 1:43 pm |
      • jjg777.

        Ad Hominem attacks on me won't change the fact that God Loves you and want you to come to him. God is Love. God so loved the world that he gave his own begotten son that whosoever believe in him shall not perish but shall have eternal life.

        August 28, 2013 at 12:35 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          There is precisely zero evidence for any "loving" deities. Reality is cold and harsh. Fairy tales help ease the pain. Religion is the opiate of the masses, but opiates can be a good thing for hurting individuals. Atheism is the only logical conclusion though; there's no "belief" or "choice" involved. Fact is fact.

          August 28, 2013 at 11:01 pm |
        • photografr7

          What he said, because he knows. After all, his name is Captain Obvious.

          August 28, 2013 at 11:04 pm |
  10. photografr7

    Believe it or not, it's a good story:
    "Couple married for 65 years die within a few hours of each other; family call it a blessing from God"
    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865585348/Couple-married-for-65-years-die-within-a-few-hours-of-each-other-family-call-it-a-blessing-from-God.html

    August 28, 2013 at 7:18 am |
  11. Julio Guarneri

    Very interesting article. Thank you for writing it. I agree with you about churches needing to offer substance and authenticity

    August 27, 2013 at 8:39 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Just one objective, verifiable, independent fact to support the supernatural claims would help.

      August 27, 2013 at 8:55 pm |
      • lol?? Pithiest, YES!!

        Help who??

        August 27, 2013 at 10:16 pm |
        • HotAirAce

          Help the cults offer substance and authenticity. . .

          August 28, 2013 at 7:49 pm |
  12. Mollie

    As a fellow Millennial (at least according to the Bing definition) I have to agree but I'd even take it a step further. I don't go to church because it's hard to find one that is making a difference outside of it's own two front doors.

    I don't want your church's internal politics, new building, or latest ladies retreat. What I do want is to be part of a community that is out helping the world instead of hiding from it.

    August 27, 2013 at 2:26 pm |
    • Joshua

      well said. They are hard to find

      August 27, 2013 at 2:45 pm |
    • lol?? Pithiest, YES!!

      Bibles in the closet
      Gays on a parade
      What a wunnerful wurld
      The pwogwessives have made

      August 27, 2013 at 10:19 pm |
  13. My Oh My!

    “So what you’re saying is we need hipper worship bands. …”

    WHAT???? Pastors are actually listening to her?

    I have a Dream: People will one day judge a person not by their looks but by the content of their article.

    August 27, 2013 at 8:41 am |
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