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August 24th, 2013
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Should Christianity be so boring?

Opinion by Jon Acuff, Special to CNN

(CNN) - No one has ever accused us Christians of being fun.

No one has ever said we are a laugh-filled group.

No atheist has ever said, “I might not love Jesus, but his followers sure know how to party!”

And yet, in my favorite story in the Bible we actually see Jesus paint the opposite picture.

If you’re a Christian, you’ve heard the Parable of the Prodigal Son in the Gospel of Luke referenced in approximately 42 million sermons. If you’ve missed it though, allow me to summarize.

A young son said to his dad, who represents God, “I want my inheritance.” This was the cultural equivalent of saying, “I wish you were dead!” The father gives him the money. The son immediately runs off to the Jersey shore and fist pumps the night away with 4 Loko and Skrillex. [Not a direct translation.]

After squandering all the money and awakening in a pig pen, the son devises a plan. He will come home, apologize and throw himself at the mercy of the father. His greatest hope is that the father will let him be a servant. He can’t even imagine getting to keep the title “son.”

He comes home expecting punishment, but instead something weird happens.

The father sees him from a distance and sprints toward him. He runs toward him and embraces him. Before the son can even get his whole apology out, the father has already started planning the last thing he expected.

A party.

Instead of punishment he gets a party.

The idea that God fixes problems with parties is crazy.

Who does that?

Life doesn’t work that way. Imagine that you messed up at work. Your boss called you in and said, “Johnson you lost our biggest account! You just cost this company more than 3 million dollars. You know what that makes me want to do? Throw you a party!”

Or think about this in the context of a marriage. Have you ever had an argument with your spouse? Not a fake argument but one that lands you on the couch overnight.

You come into the kitchen and your wife is doing that “mad dishwashing” move we all do when we’re upset. Just power scrubbing pots and pans with a vengeance, mumbling the entire time.

You approach her slowly and say, “Heyyyy baby, how do you feel this morning?” Without looking at you, she takes a deep breath and says, “You really hurt my feelings. Last night, you really surprised me by what you did. My mom was right about you. I’m so angry and disappointed. This whole thing makes me want to get an inflatable bounce house and throw a huge celebration in your honor!”

That would be ludicrous.

Our worst mistakes don’t end in parties, but in this story in the Bible, it did.

When given the opportunity to talk to a group of people, the picture Jesus drew of his Father was of a party giver; someone who met sinners with welcome home banners.

What if Christians were like that?

What if churches became the place where failures found new beginnings?

What if we were known for our parties, not for our Pharisees?

It all feels a little crazy, but I don’t think it’s impossible.

Christians should offer hope in exchange for hurt, new in exchange for old, parties in exchange for pain.

Are we there yet?

Nope, we’ve got a long way to go. We’ve still got a lot of things to work through, a lot of progress we have to make.

But when you think about the prodigal son story, I hope you will remember something.

Two people moved.

One walked.

One ran.

And we prodigals are the walkers.

We still have a running God.

And he is ready to throw a party.

Jon Acuff is a keynote speaker and the author of four books including The New York Times best-seller, START. Acuff is also the author of the popular blog, Stuff Christians Like.net.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Jon Acuff

- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. Vic

    Salvation of our Lord Jesus Christ

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ6kQCrPBmo&w=640&h=360]

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5w0Vzc1Ks0&w=640&h=360]

    John 1:16,17
    "16 For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace. 17 For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ."

    John 3:16,17
    "16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him."

    Galatians 2:16
    "16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified."

    Galatians 4:4,5
    "4 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, 5 so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons."

    Ephesians 1:7
    "7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace"

    Ephesians 2:8,9
    "8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast."

    Hebrews 10:10
    "By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."

    All Scripture Is From:

    New American Standard Bible (NASB)
    Copyright © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 by The Lockman Foundation

    http://www.biblegateway.com/

    September 1, 2013 at 12:07 pm |
  2. mzh

    55:1 – The Most Merciful
    55:2 – Has taught (the mankind) the Quran
    55:3 – He created man
    55:4 – He taught him eloquent speech
    55:5 – The sun and the moon [move] by precise calculation
    55:6 – And the stars and trees prostrate
    55:7 – And the heaven He raised and imposed the balance
    55:8 – In order that you may not transgress (due) balance
    55:9 – And establish weight in justice and do not make deficient the balance
    55:10 – And the earth He laid [out] for the creatures
    55:11 – Therein is fruit and palm trees having sheaths [of dates]
    55:12 – And grain having husks and scented plants
    55:13 – Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny?
    55:14 – He created man from clay like [that of] pottery
    55:15 – And He created the jinn from a smokeless flame of fire
    55:16 – Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny?
    55:17 – [He is] Lord of the two sunrises and Lord of the two sunsets
    55:18 – Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny?
    55:19 – He released the two seas (the salt water and the sweet) meeting together
    55:20 – Between them is a barrier which none of them can transgress
    55:21 – Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny?
    55:22 – From both of them emerge pearl and coral
    55:23 – Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny?
    55:24 – And to Him belong the ships [with sails] elevated in the sea like mountains
    55:25 – Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny?

    One of the miracles of the Koran in verse # 55:19, please see the youtube video by clicking on the link below and experience that the two water from two seas do not gets mix up… and it was written 14+ hundred plus years ago and how would Muhammad know about this where he has never been out of Arabia… there are folks who first came to this verse and they saw the real picture and they went to there to see in their own eyes and they accepted that the Koran is not from Muhammad (pbuh) but the Lord of Muhammad, Jesus the son of Marry, David, Moses, Abraham, Noah and Adam…

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7laxNgKwR4&w=640&h=360]

    Just thought to share this with you all…

    Peace be upon all of you!!!

    August 31, 2013 at 11:24 pm |
    • Kate

      mzh, liar, enough of your insincere exhortations of "peace" already. You've been caught out on that, and here are some exceprts of how violent the Quran really demands that you be:

      It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. – 8:67

      Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. – 2:191

      Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. – Sura 2:193 and 8:39

      Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. – 2:216
      (different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

      ..... martyrs.... Enter heaven – Surah 3:140-43

      But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. – 4:89

      O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. – 5:54

      Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme – 8:39

      O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. – 8:65

      Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. – 9:2-3

      When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. – 9:5

      Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. – 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

      mzh, please stop trying to promote your religion of terror here.

      September 5, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
  3. Bob

    Since we've got Ron dumping bible bile on us ad nauseum, let's take a look at some of the other fine content in his Christian book of nasty. From both foul testaments:

    Numbers 31:17-18
    17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
    18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

    Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

    Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

    Leviticus 25
    44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
    45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
    46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

    Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

    Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

    And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

    So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
    Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

    August 31, 2013 at 6:13 pm |
    • Jay

      You mad bro?

      September 1, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
  4. Ron

    "The heavens declare the glory of God, and the expanse tells of the work of His hands. Day to day pours forth speech, and night to night reveals knowledge"...Psalm 19:1-2

    August 31, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
  5. mzh

    For those who has incorrect understanding of Islam, both the founders of this College background is American Christian and they become a great scholar of Islam and I am sure they can answer any questions you may have or visit their website please....

    Come join Zaytuna at ISNA Convention 2013!

    America's First Muslim Liberal Arts College

    At the main entrance: 301, 303, 400, and 402
    Book Signing with Imam Zaid Shakir on Saturday at 8pm – Booth 400

    August 31, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
    • Kate

      mzh, please stop trying to promote your religion of terror here. Here are some excerpts of how violent the Quran really demands that you be:

      It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. – 8:67

      Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. – 2:191

      Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. – Sura 2:193 and 8:39

      Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. – 2:216
      (different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

      ..... martyrs.... Enter heaven – Surah 3:140-43

      But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. – 4:89

      O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. – 5:54

      Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme – 8:39

      O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. – 8:65

      Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. – 9:2-3

      When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. – 9:5

      Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. – 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

      mzh, please stop trying to promote your religion of terror here.

      September 5, 2013 at 1:16 pm |
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    August 31, 2013 at 3:20 pm |
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      September 4, 2013 at 6:09 pm |
  7. mzh

    Dear Vic,

    With due respect to you and to the entire Christian world, I see lots of contradictions within sometimes even in same page… I did ask a friend of mine these question and how is of course a Christian as I would not go to a Buddhist to ask something about Christianity and he had no answer and the preachers of the church also do not have any answer as my humble assumption is no one is dare to ask or since they know that there is no answer, so better not to ask…

    Here are few things from your posting and I tried to put a verse from Koran in regards of these verses:

    John 10:30
    "30 “I and the Father are one.”"
    – I think Mr. John forgot to include the third one the ‘holy spirit’ as the God is three in one, so the third one is missing…

    5:72 – They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah – Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.

    5:73 – They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment.

    John 15:26
    "26 “When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me,”"

    Helper – every translation used different word, so not sure what was the original word

    61:6 – And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."

    John 8:58
    "58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”"

    A common sense – how can a grand grand grand <> son could exist before the grand grand <> father?

    Here is what Quran says and there is none contradiction within the Koran regarding this:

    3:65 – O People of the Scripture, why do you argue about Abraham while the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed until after him? Then will you not reason?

    3:67 – Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah ]. And he was not of the polytheists.

    3:68 – Indeed, the most worthy of Abraham among the people are those who followed him [in submission to Allah ] and this prophet, and those who believe [in his message]. And Allah is the ally of the believers.

    3:84 – Say (O Muhammad SAW): "We believe in Allah and in what has been sent down to us, and what was sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob) and Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)] and what was given to Musa (Moses), 'Iesa (Jesus) and the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between one another among them and to Him (Allah) we have submitted (in Islam)."

    3:95 – Say, " Allah has told the truth. So follow the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth; and he was not of the polytheists."

    Peace!!!

    August 31, 2013 at 12:33 am |
    • Why is Jesus THE WORD?

      If you are trying to understand God through the text "supposedly" revealed by Gabriel to a mortal, you are on the wrong track.

      Jesus clearly says, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." If there is any other text that contradicts this it is FALSE.

      The only way to God is by believing in the plan of salvation offered by God to man in Jesus Christ.

      In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

      May God open your heart and mind to His Truth.

      August 31, 2013 at 8:35 am |
      • mzh

        There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower. – 2:256

        For you is your religion, and for me is my religion. – 109:6

        Peace be upon you...

        August 31, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
        • Kate

          mzh, enough of your insincere exhortations of "peace" already. You've been caught out on that, and here are some exceprts of how violent the Quran really demands that you be:

          It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. – 8:67

          Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. – 2:191

          Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. – Sura 2:193 and 8:39

          Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. – 2:216
          (different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

          ..... martyrs.... Enter heaven – Surah 3:140-43

          But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. – 4:89

          O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. – 5:54

          Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme – 8:39

          O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. – 8:65

          Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. – 9:2-3

          When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. – 9:5

          Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. – 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

          mzh, please stop trying to promote your religion of terror here.

          August 31, 2013 at 2:40 pm |
        • Pete Said

          mzh's claims of "no compulsion in religion" are flat out lies in his case. Look back through several pages and you'll find that he's pushed his religion at us on every page pretty much incessantly. Now THAT's compulsion. Shove it and shut it, mzh.

          August 31, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
        • mzh

          @Pete Said

          My apologies Pete... I do not post anything to push Islam to anyone... I am here just to let others know that this is what is in the Koran and it is up to you whether to accept or reject...

          Peace be upon you!!!

          August 31, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
        • Chester

          mzh, doesn't look like anyone is buying your peace deception. Better give it a rest and get some treatment for that passive-aggressive problem you have going on too.

          August 31, 2013 at 8:52 pm |
        • mzh

          @ Chester

          I am not here to do business and I do not expect any benefit out of it... I am here with the purpose as you are... so lets be cool to each other...

          Peace 🙂

          August 31, 2013 at 10:32 pm |
        • Jhumroo

          Mzh,

          It's refreshing to hear a voice like yours in any kind of religious debate, so I commend you.

          As a Christian living in a secular context, I'm delighted when religious people present their beliefs with humility, kindness and clarity. There should be no shame in talking about your beliefs. There seems to be a misconception among people that merely to mention it is to 'force it' on people, which is utterly misled.

          Thank you for your insight!

          September 2, 2013 at 7:32 pm |
        • Kate

          There is nothing refreshing when that face is already established as being utterly dishonest. mzh, enough of your insincere exhortations of "peace" already. You've been caught out on that, and here are some exceprts of how violent the Quran really demands that you be:

          It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. – 8:67

          Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. – 2:191

          Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. – Sura 2:193 and 8:39

          Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. – 2:216
          (different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

          ..... martyrs.... Enter heaven – Surah 3:140-43

          But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. – 4:89

          O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. – 5:54

          Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme – 8:39

          O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. – 8:65

          Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. – 9:2-3

          When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. – 9:5

          Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. – 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

          mzh, please stop trying to promote your religion of terror here.

          September 5, 2013 at 1:15 pm |
      • tallulah13

        At the risk of being redundant, the bird is the word.

        August 31, 2013 at 2:44 pm |
      • sam stone

        why do you capitalize the word "truth"?

        August 31, 2013 at 2:45 pm |
    • truthprevails1

      mzh: Please don't take offense here but I do find it ironic that the other person commenting here seems to think (s)he is more correct than you are. Neither of you can verify your god exists but both of you think you're right..it's the 'bigger-imaginary-friend battle'.

      August 31, 2013 at 8:44 am |
      • mzh

        truthprevails1:

        That's a great question dear friend truthprevails1... I would never be offended in anyways... this is what is the message of the Koran and it is up to mankind to accept or reject... as Quran teaches:

        There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower. – 2:256

        For you is your religion, and for me is my religion. – 109:6

        Peace be upon you...

        August 31, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
        • truthprevails1

          Mzh: As much as I don't believe in any god, the fact that you're not being rude and you always end with 'Peace' makes you as a person tolerable.

          August 31, 2013 at 1:09 pm |
        • mzh

          truthprevails1:

          I appreciate for your kind words...

          Islam does not teaches to force one to accept Islam if the person is not convinced by heart... once the heart is filled then nothing make the person not to like the sweetness of living this earthly life with peace... because by that time he knows that there is nothing in Islam that is not good for mankind... and then he or she will find the laws are so logical and not to punish mankind but to warn them so that they can avoid committing any sort of crime as we have fed laws (i.e. death penalty by proof) are only applicable when one commits that big crime but not with the intention of punishing people.. otherwise we can not live with peace here in this soil...

          As of me – there is nothing which could make me insulted when one says something against it...

          Peace be up on you... 🙂

          August 31, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
        • Kate

          mzh, enough with your lies already. We know well what your Quran says about how "infidels" should be treated by you, and it's murderous and violent to an extreme. Don't think we've somehow forgotten 9/11. Here's what your holy book demands you to do:

          It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. – 8:67

          Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. – 2:191

          Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. – Sura 2:193 and 8:39

          Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. – 2:216
          (different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

          ..... martyrs.... Enter heaven – Surah 3:140-43

          But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. – 4:89

          O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. – 5:54

          Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme – 8:39

          O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. – 8:65

          Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. – 9:2-3

          When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. – 9:5

          Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. – 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

          mzh, please stop trying to promote your religion of terror here. Some of us are not fooled by your deceptions.

          August 31, 2013 at 2:46 pm |
        • truthprevails1

          Kate: Stop the bigotry! You're honestly no better. While I don't support mzh's religion, he certainly hasn't done anything to merit your hate or constant repetition of the same words...I'm sure by now he understands how horrible you are. I don't see you telling the christians who constantly post scripture from their book to stop, so please don't be a hypocrite.

          August 31, 2013 at 3:46 pm |
        • Sara

          @truth, if you read enough of mzh's comments you'll find him saying thank you to people who clearly weren't trying to help and praising people for behaviors they didn't actually exhibit. It is really more demonstrative of passive aggressive and manipulative behavior, though he pulls it off well enough to get away with it a lot of the time.

          August 31, 2013 at 3:50 pm |
        • truthprevails1

          Sara: So what?? I've read his posts and he is doing what christians do, he just happens to attempt to be polite. Is he not entitled to some of the same respect christians wish for?

          August 31, 2013 at 4:00 pm |
        • Sara

          truth, I agree Kate should not use the word "lies" because that indicates intentional deception, which we cannot prove and should not beused with anyone who appears to believe what they are saying. However, given that the contrasting lines have no been posted multiple times to mzh, it is harder to believe that he is unaware that the Quran recommends violence against non-believers. While I would not go as far as the word "lies", it is arguable, I believe, that he is being intentionally deceptive rather than just willfully ignorant.

          And again, I believe he is not as polite as you think but has been blatantly passive aggressive. I don't have a list of all his posts but if I come accross some examples I'll post them here. Passive agressive is not polite. It is an attempt to irritate people by using language to provide back-handed insults, manipulate or interupt the flow of conversation to provide personal advantage and inflict known irritations on your conversation partner.

          August 31, 2013 at 4:10 pm |
        • truthprevails1

          Sara: I get it. Don't assume I'm stupid. I no more agree with him than I do the christians posting here. Sadly his religion, as with many others, teaches passive aggressiveness, it's the bigger-god-battle and no-one wins.

          August 31, 2013 at 4:14 pm |
        • Sara

          One of the things I find odd about passive aggressive behavior is that it is so rarely beneficial to the person using it. Most other behaviors we don't like, from sarcasm to violence, serve certain social and evolutionary purposes. I've never seen any evidence that passive aggressive behavior does more than make someone very unpopular. Either I'm missing something or it's a mix of other social behaviors gone very wrong.

          August 31, 2013 at 4:19 pm |
        • truthprevails1

          Sara: It's rarely a beneficial thing but I'm not certain mzh understands he comes across that way, not when he ends every post with 'Peace'.

          August 31, 2013 at 4:34 pm |
        • mzh

          Hello dear friends:

          With due respect to all…

          I try to stick with the scriptures (the Koran) as I believe these are words of God Almighty (same source where Jesus’ and Moses’ and David’ and others came from) and the proof is the texts itself but if you ask me to show you the proof that you can feel or see, I can’t but if you are open and being patient and take time to read by real understanding then you will say to yourself that “no human can come up with these texts 14+ hundred years ago where this man never went to school, didn’t know how to read, didn’t know how to write but he was known to his tribe as Al-Amin (the most trust worthy in terms of anything you name for 40 years before the revelation came through angel Gabriel)”.

          I know that it was not easy for this man (pbuh) to deliver the message to his own people and his own people drove him away from his birth place and did many more I am not going there… so I understand that it is not easy to accept something new in one day where the world is in different situation and the media is focusing on something unique over and over and trying to fix in brain with something which is not true…

          - Patience is very important and I always pray for having more patience
          103:1 – (Swear) By time,
          103:2 – Indeed, mankind is in loss
          103:3 – Except those who believe (in Islamic Monotheism) and do righteous good deeds, and recommend one another to the truth (i.e. order one another to perform all kinds of good deeds (Al-Ma'ruf) which Allah has ordained, and abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds (Al-Munkar) which Allah has forbidden), and recommend one another to patience (for the sufferings, harms, and injuries which one may encounter in Allah's Cause during preaching His religion of Islamic Monotheism or Jihad, etc.).

          Anyways, since I find verses of Koran as answer for every postings, then I feel its good to let them know that this is the book says rather what a Muslim acts up on which in most cases is not being reflected what is in the Koran. As Koran also commands Muslim to use Koran to invite people but not force…

          16:125 – Invite (mankind, O Muhammad SAW) to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islam) with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Quran) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided.

          Prophet (pbuh) was told/asked to stop preaching Islam in the Quraysh tribe and the elite group of Quraysh did not like it by thinking that they will lose the power over others as Islam teaches that the man is created from clay and everyone is equal in the eyes of The Creator but it may differ in social status which is obvious, otherwise we wouldn’t find a person to collect trash, but when it comes to worship we lined up next to each other and we are brother in Islam regardless of nationality, skin color, language, ethnicity and so on…

          49:13 – O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honorable of you with Allah is that (believer) who the one most righteous. Verily, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware.

          Peace be up on all of you…

          August 31, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
        • Maani

          Kate:

          With respect, your comments show both an ignorance and insupportable intolerance of Islam. Yes, like any other ideology – both religious and political – Islam has been used (and, sadly, continues to be used) by some in hopelessly fundamentalist ways. However, your most obvious error is the same one many atheists make in their arguments against Christianity; i.e., they take Scripture out of context to support their positions. (Sadly, the reverse is also true: too many Christians take Scripture out of context to support hopelessly UN-Christian positions.)

          Anyone can cherry-pick lines from Scripture (Bible or Qur'an), and say, "See! You advocate violence and death!" But it is quite another thing to be intellectually honest and look at Scripture IN CONTEXT. In this regard, what you will find about the Qur'an is that a large majority of the types of passages you are cherry-picking are not applicable in the way you seem to think. I am not the Qur'anic scholar (or even armchair scholar) that mzh is. However, I have read the Qur'an three times in my three-decade study of comparative religion, and I can assure you that what you have been told – the post-9/11 propaganda perpetrated by our government and much of the media – about Islam is simply not true. It IS, in every way that counts, FAR more about peace, community, humility and compassion than it is about aggression, violence and death. Just as far-right preachers cherry-pick the Bible to support unloving, unforgiving and, as noted, often un-Christian positions, so too do far-right mullahs and imams "use" certain portions of the the Qur'an (and other Islamic texts) to support the positions you seem to think are the prevailing positions of the text, or that of most Muslims.

          You would do well to study more, and "regurgitate" less based on out-of-context passages. And personally, I am finding your cut-and-pasting of the same cherry-picked set of passages on virtually every page of this thread to be VERY boring.

          August 31, 2013 at 6:21 pm |
        • Kate

          Maani, you are just spouting B-S. Look, if your god's communication abilities are so poor that he can't get himself across in ways that aren't so easily taken "out of context", then he's simply not a god. Try to make yourself a better god next time.

          My quotes of your book of terror are very direct ones, so chew on that more and spit some religion away. The "context" errors are clearly yours, not mine.

          August 31, 2013 at 8:57 pm |
        • Colin

          Maani and mzh are sounding like the same person. They both have the same conflicting passive-aggressive thing going on. Very twisted and somewhat comical. Compare maani's initial "respect" with mzh's "peace" twist before/after they stick their insult knives in with words like "ignorant" and such.

          What a pair of nutcases, or perhaps just one...

          August 31, 2013 at 9:02 pm |
        • mzh

          Colin:
          I do not know him/her and we are not the same... So please don't be judgmental... I think assuming something which may lead one to make injustice to other and I am sure you are intellectual enough not to do anything like that...

          Kate:
          Lets just be good to each other... I do not enforce anyone what I believe and you do not enforce what you believe but lets people decide...

          I hope its sounds good and we can live with peace... 🙂

          August 31, 2013 at 9:21 pm |
        • Kate

          mzh, enough with your passive-aggressive already and your shallow peace stamps. We know well what your Quran says about how "infidels" should be treated by you, and it's murderous and violent to an extreme. Don't think we've somehow forgotten 9/11. Here's what your holy book demands you to do:

          It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. – 8:67

          Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. – 2:191

          Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. – Sura 2:193 and 8:39

          Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. – 2:216
          (different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

          ..... martyrs.... Enter heaven – Surah 3:140-43

          But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. – 4:89

          O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. – 5:54

          Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme – 8:39

          O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. – 8:65

          Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. – 9:2-3

          When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. – 9:5

          Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. – 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

          mzh, please stop trying to promote your religion of terror here. Some of us are not fooled by your deceptions.

          August 31, 2013 at 9:25 pm |
        • Sara

          Maani,

          You say of the Quran "It IS, in every way that counts, FAR more about peace, community, humility and compassion than it is about aggression, violence and death."

          But that's only if you lump together the bits where it talks about Muslims interacting with other muslims and Muslims with Infidels. All groups talk about peace among themselves. If you just look at that the Nazi's were all about peace. To go around primoting your beliefs as peace oriented when all you are really saying is "join us and we can all live in peace" is dishonest. The exeption would be a group that DOESN'T promote peace for anyone willing to bow down to their leaders.

          August 31, 2013 at 9:53 pm |
        • Sara

          The fact that he continues ending everything with peace and smily faces despite having it pointed out makes me wonder if he's a troll, though I've never seen one this persistent.

          August 31, 2013 at 9:55 pm |
        • mzh

          @Sara/Kate:

          All I could say is if you do not wish to correct yourself with the correct information then there is nothing any one can do except being patient with you and others like you…

          I do have right as much as you do in order to expressing myself… only difference none of my posting forces anyone but to let them know…. and you expect others to stop their views and accept what you think/believe in…

          I only wish peace and blessings for you…

          August 31, 2013 at 10:29 pm |
        • Maani

          Kate: Your myopic, obsessive fear and hatred of Islam are seriously clouding both your judgment and your ability to understand what you read. I happen not to be a Muslim, but an evangelical Christian minister. I simply happen to know more about the Qur'an than you do because I have actually read it – ALL of it, not just cherry-picking and regurgitating a few passages that support a particularly disdainful and hateful position. I am actually very sorry for you, since, as I noted, you seem to have simply accepted and inculcated the anti-Islamic propaganda that your own government initially beat into everyone with a cudgel in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. The fear and hatred you exhibit are thus more the result of your inability and/or unwillingness to question your own government than the result of Islam itself. If you actually did some deep research and read the Qur'an fully, you would find that your cherry-picked passages are few and far between in a book which is at least 75% focused on developing one's personal relationship with God, and the virtues of peace, community, and compassion, among others.

          Sara: Although you come across as more even-tempered and fair-minded, you seem to be guilty of the same thing: cherry-picking passages that support a narrow viewpoint, rather than actually reading the ENTIRE book and seeing what it ACTUALLY says about various things – and how often it mentions peace, compassion, humility, etc. compared to aggression, violence, war and death. You (and anyone else honest enough to do so) are likely to be greatly surprised.

          As for "passive-aggressive," those who make this claim are, of course, free to "read into" someone else's comments whatever armchair psychology they wish. However, for myself (and I believe, based on reading his many posts, I speak for mzh as well), my use of the word "peace," and my interjection of phrases such as 'with respect," are meant exactly as they are provided.

          Peace. (Yup...)

          September 2, 2013 at 3:45 pm |
        • Kate

          Maani, pull that self-righteousness pole out of your aft end already. It's very obvious from my quotes and that you can't counter them with anything but empty claims, that I know the Quran, that book of murder and hate, better than you do. Now why is it that a "god" can't make a book that is so prone to wildly differing interpretations?

          Both your religion and your god, and mzh's, are evil creations of man. Nothing more. Get off your high horse, pull that pole out, and try to think through that.

          September 6, 2013 at 6:54 pm |
        • Stan

          Actually, Maani, the fact that those instructions that Kate quotes are in there at all, makes her case regardless. It wouldn't matter if the rest of the Koran were all sugar and honey (and it actually isn't). Instructions to murder infidels are just that, instructions to murder. So, Maani and mzh, I think your ass(es) just got nailed. You lose this one hands down (or up, as the case may be).

          September 6, 2013 at 7:00 pm |
      • Colin

        No need to assume you offer proof with every post. It would takes years of intense training to see you raise to the level of ass hole and years more to elevate you to stupid.

        August 31, 2013 at 4:18 pm |
    • Observer

      Why did the circus clown get in the middle?

      August 31, 2013 at 8:52 am |
      • truthprevails1

        who-me or Why is Jesus THE WORD??

        August 31, 2013 at 9:05 am |
      • mzh

        Only Observer can clarify it... 🙂

        August 31, 2013 at 12:50 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      "If you are trying to understand God through the text "supposedly" revealed by Gabriel to a mortal, you are on the wrong track.

      Jesus clearly says, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
      Jesus clearly said what? How do you know these were his words? Jesus didn't write them. His apostles didn't write them. In fact whoever did write them never met Jesus. Now I don't give any credence whatsoever to the validity of the Qur'an stories but the text in the Bible is even more suspect. Anonymous authors with an agenda to promote their new religion. Jesus is elevated to legend status long after he's dead. It'sstrange isn't it that no one who was alive at the time Jesus was preaching bothered to write about his exploits when corroboration was still possible. Hmmmm?
      Yet these third hand Bible stories are good enough for you? Doesn't take much to convince you it seems. I hope you don't apply such gullibility to other aspects of your life. Con artists will have a field day.
      Of course they already have.

      August 31, 2013 at 9:13 am |
      • mzh

        That's a great point and sometimes I feel why my Christian friend do not think about it...

        I would not buy this story even if the Koran was not reveled to the mankind... as the chapters was written way after his lifetime in this earth... I do have Bible study group as well... we found that the Hebrew chapter has no evidence that who wrote it and when was it written and Christian scholars also knows it but they just do not want to get out of the darknesses... and Koran gives very clear picture that during the time of Jesus the son of Marry, the disciples divided in to two groups, one group says we are Muslim and we believe in the Lord of Jesus and Jesus the son of Marry and the second group spread the message the way it is now... Koran says very clearly about this issue but they say its clear error and may more...

        here is one verse talks about prophets and messengers:

        Muhammad (SAW) is no more than a Messenger, and indeed (many) Messengers have passed away before him. If he dies or is killed, will you then turn back on your heels (as disbelievers)? And he who turns back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah, and Allah will give reward to those who are grateful. – 3:143

        Its a very good point though... 🙂

        August 31, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
        • ogre

          mzh,

          It seems as though "Allah" does a very poor job at influencing or controlling way too many of his followers. It's just like it would be if he doesn't exist.

          You seem like a nice person and I sort of hate to rain on your parade, but this "Allah" fictional character is not there... anywhere, except in your fantasies.

          Stay peaceful, mzh.

          August 31, 2013 at 1:17 pm |
        • mzh

          Dear ogre

          He created human and gave the power of ‘free will’ to do whatever that human wish to do and this has not been given to any other creatures (except Jinn) and he commanded the entire creation to serve human and this is their mission and human’s mission is to acknowledge The Creator as only human is given this ability. And he did send prophets/messengers with revelations time to time so that the people would be guided. And Quran has been sent for the entire universe and not only to Arabs and following verses are the one tells that:

          Verily, in this (the Quran) there is a plain Message for people who worship Allah (i.e. the true, real believers of Islamic Monotheism who act practically on the Quran and the Sunnah legal ways of the Prophet SAW). – 21:106

          And We have sent you (O Muhammad SAW including the Koran) not but as a mercy for the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists). – 21:107

          Say (O Muhammad SAW): "It is revealed to me that your Ilah (God) is only one Ilah (God – Allah). Will you then submit to His Will (become Muslims and stop worshipping others besides Allah)?" – 21:108

          Please keep searching and one day for sure you will discover something and you will say how come I have never thought of it… it happens to lot of us that all of sudden we find ourselves into something and we just say how come I have thought of it, either at work or personal life…

          I wish nothing but peace and blessing upon you and your loved ones ogre!!!

          August 31, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
        • ogre

          mzh,

          I was a believer for nearly 50 years. It was difficult to realize that there is no-one out there and that I was talking to myself; but I had to accept it. No fantasy character, dreamed up by ancient men, deserves even a minute of your time. Nothing out there "wants" to be worshipped. Be peaceful. Be helpful. Be real.

          August 31, 2013 at 6:08 pm |
        • mzh

          I hope you find the peace you have been looking soon...

          Peace 🙂

          August 31, 2013 at 6:44 pm |
      • Maani

        AS:

        As one who has studied the Bible for well over three decades, and read literally hundreds of books by Bible scholars (both religious and secular), I can assure you that your of the history of the NT texts is incorrect.

        The overwhelming majority of NT scholars (again, both religious and secular) accept the dating of the Gospel of Mark to be ~60 A.D. – thus within very reasonable "distance" from the events of Jesus' life and death. As well, the majority of scholars accept that Matthew and John were apostles, and that Mark and Luke were disciples who spent time with Jesus. Thus, in essence, all four of the canonical Gospels were written by people who knew Jesus, even if they were written some time after the events of His life and death. And, of course, Paul wrote many of his writings even before 60 A.D., and he makes it pretty clear that, in addition to the knowledge and information gained from his own "conversion" experience, he also knew and/or spoke with some of Jesus' apostles and disciples.

        You are certainly within your rights to maintain whatever viewpoint you have of Christianity, and to question various aspects of its doctrine and dogma. However, as the old saying goes, "You are ent.itled to your own opinions; you are not ent.itled to your own facts." In this regard, the facts about the provenance of the NT gospels are pretty well established.

        September 2, 2013 at 4:19 pm |
    • Vic

      The answer is simple with all due respect to my fellow Christians. Most of those verses I posted are not there in the Bible to specifically talk about the Trinity but they are very well suited collectively for showing that there is One God of Three, Father, Son (Lord Jesus Christ) and Holy Spirit. Plus, in christian Theology, the Father and Son have a higher rank than the Holy Spirit.

      Regarding being before Abraham, Jesus Christ is God the Son Who is Eternal in Generation and before the world ever was, and He incarnated in the flesh at the right time long after Abraham and Moses. The Scripture is very clear about that.

      I am of the opinion that the Bible might have scribal, translational and/or interpretational errors but the general narrative about God is clear enough. There is enough clarity in the Holy Bible to make a believer out of me in God as one of Three and the Salvation by His Grace through "Faith Alone" in Jesus Christ as Lord and personal Savior.

      And since we are at it, I would like to know why the Quran refers to God as "WE & Us" in so many verses I have seen.

      I take no pleasure in pinpointing adversity but I am completely appalled by verses in the Quran that prohibits Muslims from taking Christians and Jews as friends to the extent of excommunication, need not mention the penalty for conversion! In the Holy Bible, we find that Jesus Christ instructs believers to love their enemies and pray for them, to mention a few.

      August 31, 2013 at 4:43 pm |
      • mzh

        I am trying to post the answers of your questions but it keeps filtered for some reason...

        September 1, 2013 at 8:57 am |
      • mzh

        @ Vic,

        I am glad that you asked that question… Quran teaches when you have a question then rush to the one who has knowledge.

        “why the Quran refers to God as "WE & Us" in so many verses” – the answer is very simple and it is majesty ‘we’ & ‘us’. A president never says I when he addresses to the nation but rather he says ‘we’ that does not mean that there are more than one president. ‘we’ here does not mean that there are more than one God and God Almighty has any partner(s) or son or daughter… it is very clear through out the Koran about the subject of the ‘Oneness of God Almighty’:

        112:1 – Say (O Muhammad (Peace be upon him)): "He is Allah, (the) One.
        112:2 – Allah-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks).
        112:3 – He begets not, nor was He begotten;
        112:4 – And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him.

        September 1, 2013 at 8:58 am |
      • mzh

        As for “verses in the Quran that prohibits Muslims from taking Christians and Jews as friends” –

        September 1, 2013 at 9:03 am |
      • mzh

        When Muslims migrated to the city of Medina, they found that there were J E W S and Christins lives with Arabs.

        September 1, 2013 at 9:08 am |
      • mzh

        Some of the Jews and Christians accepted Muhammad (pbuh) as a messenger as they knew it for a long time that a messenger is coming, so they accepted him and some of them they did not and instead they became ally of Mekkans who drove these Muslims away from their own land.
        So these Jews and Christians who did not believe, they were being hypocrite, when they were with Muslims, they would say we are Muslims and once they are out, they would say we just fooled them and they would go to Mekkans and help them plotting against Muslims to get them out of Medina.

        And there are verses talks about these ‘hypocrites’ and also commands Muslims not to point anyone as ‘hypocrite’ as they did not know what they were doing their behind which only known to God Almighty. And HE can say who is hypocrite
        So then they (Jews and Christians) used to be very friendly with Muslims in order take information and pass it on to the elite group of Mekka like spying… so then the verses were reveled the one you are referring to that do not take Jews and Christians as friends to Muhammad (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh) would recite to the Muslims.

        September 1, 2013 at 9:09 am |
      • mzh

        It took 23 years to complete the revelation and the Koran is not like most of the NT which were writing a letter by the writer to for examples the Kings or Colossians and so on.

        I hope it will help to clear this thing up inshallah (God willing)…

        Now I want to tell you something here, Quran allows a Muslim to marry from Jews and Christians who are the people of the book and this law was reveled after the verse you referred to. Do you think Allah the Almighty will ask Muslims not to take Jews and Christians as friend and at the same time HE will allow Muslims to marry from Jews and Christians?

        So the previous verses have been abrogated with the new one and it is still part of the Koran and will always be…

        Peace!!!

        September 1, 2013 at 9:09 am |
      • mzh

        My apologies... I had try to find which part was being filtered put it in multiple postings...

        Thanks for being patient to read it this way...

        Peace 🙂

        September 1, 2013 at 9:11 am |
      • mzh

        Anything I said incorrect is because of my lack of knowledge and anything I said good is because of the mercy from Allah the Almighty and I ask for forgiveness for that… amine

        Peace be upon you!!!

        September 1, 2013 at 9:20 am |
    • Vic

      The answer is simple with all due respect to my fellow Christians. Most of those verses I posted are not there in the Bible to specifically talk about the Trinity but they are very well suited collectively for showing that there is One God of Three, Father, Son (Lord Jesus Christ) and Holy Spirit. Plus, in Christian Theology, the Father and Son have a higher rank than the Holy Spirit.

      Regarding being before Abraham, Jesus Christ is God the Son Who is Eternal in Generation and before the world ever was, and He incarnated in the flesh at the right time long after Abraham and Moses. The Scripture is very clear about that.

      I am of the opinion that the Bible might have scribal, translational and/or interpretational errors but the general narrative about God is clear enough. There is enough clarity in the Holy Bible to make a believer out of me in God as One of Three and the Salvation by His Grace through "Faith Alone" in Jesus Christ as Lord and personal Savior.

      And since we are at it, I would like to know why the Quran refers to God as "WE & Us" in so many verses I have seen.

      I take no pleasure in pinpointing adversity but I am completely appalled by verses in the Quran that prohibits Muslims from taking Christians and Jews as friends to the extent of excommunication, need not mention the penalty for conversion! In the Holy Bible, we find that Jesus Christ instructs believers to love their enemies and pray for them, to mention a few.

      August 31, 2013 at 4:56 pm |
      • Observer

        This whole thread would have been meaningful if the circus clowns stayed out and let the Christians address the OP. Hard to have a serius discussion when psychos constantly babble in between.

        Good post, Vic!

        August 31, 2013 at 6:52 pm |
        • mzh

          Everyone has the equal right in this public postings...

          And besides you never know, some might discover something which may change his/her life...

          Peace!!!

          September 1, 2013 at 9:13 am |
  8. Brett

    Jesus changed my life. Though He was incarnated (took on flesh) over 2000 years ago (but actually has no beginning and no end), He is touching lives even today. I am a witness to the living Christ. I asked God to forgive me sins, and received Jesus as my Lord and Savior over 20 years ago, and my life has been totally different ever since. I have peace inside, I know my sins have been fogiven, and I not only do I NOT fear death, but I welcome the day when the Lord calls me home to be with Him in heaven. PTL He lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    August 30, 2013 at 8:26 pm |
    • Athy

      So, Brett. You were witness to the living christ? So you saw the living christ, right? What were you smoking or drinking at the time? Did you say hi to him? Did he talk to you? Did you shake hands? Did you get his autographed picture? Give us some details, man! We want to know these things.

      August 30, 2013 at 8:41 pm |
      • cliff

        Bret has faith,which is believing and hoping in the unseen,as anything we see will not last but the unseen is eternal..Read the bible and live by it and you will live in peace like Bret and myself....

        September 29, 2013 at 10:57 pm |
      • Akira

        So, athie, point being, he was covered in dried blood and dirt and shinie sweat, His body, limp in my arms-he was much heavier than I anticipated- reflected the moonlight and I could see how battered and shattered he was. His flesh was shredded and he didn't look real, more like a rag-a-muffin. My heart broke as I carried him to his final resting place. I was proud to be honored with the task of caring for what was left of him after he was dropped down from the wooden platform. I was emboldened and feared not the brutes who destroyed this beautiful, kind man.

        How about you, coward?

        October 5, 2013 at 9:48 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      I make peace within my life to the degree that I desire it, and I'm not afraid of death at all. No invisible sky wizards needed.

      August 30, 2013 at 8:46 pm |
      • Akira

        U r a liar and an idiot. U r and u should be terrifified of going to hell, which is exactly where u r headed, beloved. As long as u think u r a tough girl and maintain your see-through front, u r in eternal peril, especially for one dying of lung cancer. Did u get that johnny baby?

        October 5, 2013 at 9:36 pm |
    • rick

      brett: i do not fear death. i do not seek heaven nor fear hell. sad that someone convinced you that you needed redemption for your "sins". i guess gullibility is one of your stronger character traits

      August 30, 2013 at 9:04 pm |
      • Akira

        U r in 4 a big surprise

        October 5, 2013 at 6:06 pm |
    • AE

      Jesus is good!

      August 30, 2013 at 11:09 pm |
      • rick

        for some people, jesus is good. they feel they need salvation. i do not

        August 31, 2013 at 6:31 am |
        • Akira

          4 some, the brain dead, they have no wish to find the truth.

          October 5, 2013 at 6:08 pm |
      •  

        Athy

        Yes, Jesus is good to those that believe in him. For us nonbelievers he's just another fable.

        August 31, 2013 at 3:25 pm |
        • Akira

          4 some, those that deny reality, Jesus remains just as wonderful as he always was. They have no impact on his reality, though they love pretending they r all that!

          October 5, 2013 at 6:10 pm |
    • skytag

      You changed your life. Jesus' role in that change was limited to the placebo effect.

      August 31, 2013 at 12:44 am |
      • Akira

        U think u r smart. U r an idiot! A big, dumb, stupid moron!

        October 5, 2013 at 6:12 pm |
    • Ron

      Brett, amen. He changed my life too. God bless.

      August 31, 2013 at 5:45 pm |
  9. libertyadamson

    Good article. Not only did the father put a robe on his son again, showing his covering love and he viewed his son with honor again, but he put the family ring back on his finger – a sign that his authority as son of the family was still intact. It's a pretty powerful thing, forgiveness....

    August 30, 2013 at 8:25 pm |
    • AE

      Amen.

      August 30, 2013 at 11:12 pm |
  10. morigoldlist

    admit it, Christians haven't had fun since the Inquisition.

    August 30, 2013 at 7:51 pm |
    • Steve

      Those were Catholics torturing Christians (born again) and others. The religion of Catholics is NOT Christianity but Maryanity.

      August 30, 2013 at 8:36 pm |
      • Larry

        Oh, yeah. No true Scotsman. WRONG. Christians killing other Christians happens on a daily basis, STILL. Get a freaking clue.

        August 30, 2013 at 8:59 pm |
        • truthprevails1

          I guess they totally missed the Schiable case where two apparent loving christian parents made their innocent children suffer without medical attention or the recent outbreak of measles at Kenneth Copeland's delusional thinking. There's christians killing christians.

          August 31, 2013 at 6:46 am |
      • truthprevails1

        As Larry said, No True Scotsman Fallacy. You are wrong, in fact Catholics are the largest group of christians.
        "Roman Catholicism is by far the largest Christian group. With more than one billion adherents, Catholics constitute about half of the world's Christians. Catholicism is the majority religion of Italy, Spain, and nearly all Latin American countries. In 2001, about 24 percent of Americans identified themselves as Catholic, making Catholicism the largest Christian denomination in America (if the Protestant denominations are counted individually). The next largest denomination, Baptist, was claimed by 16 percent of Americans. Yet if Protestants are considered as one group, Catholics remain a minority among America's Christians. "
        (http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/denominations/catholicism.htm)

        August 31, 2013 at 6:50 am |
        • S-3B Viking

          Truth,

          Thanks for the book recommendation yesterday. I actually read that one by Sam Harris. Among other things, his thoughts contributed to my beginning this journey.

          Appreciate your thoughts, as well.

          August 31, 2013 at 7:02 am |
        • truthprevails1

          There is also an internet podcast done out of Austin called The Atheist Experience that can be found on youtube or their site at http://www.atheist-experience.com. The main host of the show was in seminary to become a Baptist minister.

          August 31, 2013 at 7:46 am |
  11. 7

    Everyone is welcome to visit... thetreasureofzion.com

    August 30, 2013 at 3:34 pm |
  12. Her Royal Highness, Princess of Joysville

    "A cheerful heart is good medicine, but a broken spirit saps a person's strength."

    August 30, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
  13. Nclaw441

    There is no Reality, therefore his argument does not exist.

    August 30, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
    • Reality!

      When he dies, his reality ceases to exist. His reality leads to death. Outside of his mind, it is nothing.

      August 30, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
      • mzh

        He goes back where he was made out of... and the soul was breathed in to him and it goes back from where it was breathed... and will be merged again on that day which known to none...

        August 30, 2013 at 4:55 pm |
      • dewie

        like u no.
        where was the n.t. embellished exactly? lol

        October 6, 2013 at 8:55 pm |
  14. EA

    "We still have a running God."

    I feel blessed to have experienced this as true in my life. Amen.

    August 30, 2013 at 10:39 am |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care

      Delusion.

      August 30, 2013 at 11:09 am |
    • mzh

      "Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep." in following verse...

      Allah – there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires Him not. And He is the Most High, the Most Great. – 2:255

      August 30, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
    • Ken

      Is having a "running God" like having a restored 1930s DeSoto: Fine for limited Sunday use, but not practical enough to use the rest of the time?

      August 30, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
      • EA

        Yes, that is the point the author of this opinion piece is trying to make. Good jorb.

        August 30, 2013 at 2:13 pm |
  15. mzh

    There was a posting and i do not see it any more where s/he was talking something about 'Muslim wants to rule to world'...

    A true Muslim who cares about his or her life of this earth and hereafter, would not be willing to be a ruler as it is a huge responsibility... I will give you an example of the second Caliph Omar Ibn Al Khattab... he used to walk on the street and see if there is anyone who is going to bed as hunger... and one night he found few kids crying and the mother was heating some water but she did not have any food... then she says that she does not have anything to feed her children... then Omar (ra) goes to the werehouse and put some fook on his back and did not let other to carry it as he was thinking on the hereafter no one will carry his mistakes in front of Almighty, so he wanted to carry his own barden and then he came to feed the family and there lot more examples...

    So I don't think any true Muslim who does care about his actions/deed will be willing to rule the world...

    August 30, 2013 at 9:46 am |
    • mzh

      I REPLIED WITH BELOW IN REPLY OF HIS POSTING ON MINE... BUT ITS NOT THERE ANYMORE...

      You got it wrong my friend… the message of the Koran is not to rule the world but to be grateful to your Creator as He deserves it but its up to you…

      About ruling – I am not here to rule the world but to let the mankind know about the message in the Koran, prophet Muhammad (pbuh) when people keep coming to Islam, the ruler of Mekka at that time got scared that they will be loosing the power or authority, then they offered him (pbuh) that they will give him power, wealth, woman and anything he wants to stop the preaching of Islam but he refused all and he (pbuh) said that if they put the sun in one hand and the moon in other hand, he (pbuh) will not stop as it is not from him… so then they got more crazy to get rid of him but eventually they realized that they were wrong and he (pbuh) was having the truth and they accepted it…

      Koran also warns those who believed in it, here please read it carefully and please please think before you come to any conclusion:

      66:6 – O you who have believed, protect yourselves and your families from a Fire whose fuel is people and stones, over which are [appointed] angels, harsh and severe; they do not disobey Allah in what He commands them but do what they are commanded.

      Very few of the Muslims do follow of what they have been warned… do please do not think that a person calls himself or herself a Muslim meaning they are following everything they suppose to… also I am not the one judge anyone regardless of faith… I am worried about myself as you read the verse above…

      Peace!!!

      August 30, 2013 at 9:48 am |
    • Reality

      To all the misguided "believers" out there, your salvation is at hand:

      Tis mind boggling that your religions can be brought down to earth in less than ten seconds. With this in mind should not the moderators of this blog and their buddy Stevie P be looking for new jobs?

      Again for the new members:

      To wit:

      Putting the kibosh on all religion in less than ten seconds: Priceless !!!

      • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

      • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Moses i.e. the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

      • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

      • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

      • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

      • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

      • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated/reborn Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

      Added details available upon written request.

      A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

      e.g. Taoism

      "The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

      Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother's womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. "

      August 30, 2013 at 10:27 am |
      • mzh

        What are you my friend Reality? I mean do you follow or believe in anything?

        August 30, 2013 at 10:43 am |
        • Reality

          The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

          Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
          and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
          human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

          I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
          preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
          named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
          girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

          Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
          the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

          He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
          a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
          Jerusalem.

          Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
          many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
          and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
          Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
          grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
          and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
          called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

          Amen
          (references used are available upon request)

          August 30, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
        • Reality!

          What the poster claims as "reality" changes like the wind. 10 years ago he would have described reality differently than today. In 10 more years he will have another idea about it. No 2 people have ever completely agreed on what is reality. It changes from each person.

          August 30, 2013 at 12:37 pm |
        • Reality!

          Whoa, his whole reality is built around Christianity. No, son, what do YOU believe in!

          August 30, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
      • Reality

        Some unchangeable reality for the new members of this blog:

        : (from the fields of astrophysics, biology, biochemistry, archeology, nuclear physics, geology and the history of religion)

        1. The Sun will burn out in 3-5 billion years so we have a time frame.

        2. Asteroids continue to circle us in the nearby asteroid belt.

        3. One wayward rock and it is all over in a blast of permanent winter.

        4. There are enough nuclear weapons to do the same job.

        5. Most contemporary NT exegetes do not believe in the Second Coming so apparently there is no concern about JC coming back on an asteroid or cloud of raptors/rapture.

        6. All stars will eventually extinguish as there is a limit to the amount of hydrogen in the universe. When this happens (100 trillion years?), the universe will go dark. If it does not collapse and recycle, the universe will end.

        7. Super, dormant volcanoes off the coast of Africa and under Yellowstone Park could explode cataclysmically at any time ending life on Earth.

        8. Many of us are part Neanderthal and/or Denisovan.

        Bottom line: our apocalypse will start between now and 3-5 billion CE. The universe apocalypse, 100 trillion years?

        August 30, 2013 at 1:19 pm |
        • mzh

          "we have a time frame" – its you only you... because no matter how many billions or trillions but you have a life time given and no one knows when it will be coming to the end and mine as well and so others...

          August 30, 2013 at 5:00 pm |
      • Reality

        Who is "Reality" ? Have you seen me ? Do you know who I am ? Do you know what I've done in my life ? Do you know if I ever actually did anything good ? Do you know if I even exist ? Of course not. But I expect you to believe me. Surely, you should have the faith to believe in what I say even though you have not seen me. You people should not believe in God because you have not seen him. But you should believe in me even though you have not seen me.

        Christians have a comprehensive moral system. It's written in the Bible. I am atheist and believe that I am better than Chris tians even though I cannot point to a comprehensive moral system. Other than a refusal to believe in God, I have to admit that I have not explained anything else that I believe. I am speechless as far as telling you the other things that I believe in. Nevertheless you should believe that I am a better person than chris tians.

        Trust me. Have faith in me. Believe what I say.

        August 30, 2013 at 3:26 pm |
        • mzh

          "Do you know if I even exist ?" – I know for sure that you were not exist in this earth before your mother conceived you...

          "I am better than Chris" – you sounds like the way Iblees (one from the nation of jinn shayateen or satan) did when he was ordered including the angels and entire creation to prostrate upon Adam (the first human) who was created out of clay and then the soul was breathed... he said the Satan (Iblees):

          And We have certainly created you, [O Mankind], and given you [human] form. Then We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was not of those who prostrated. – 7:21

          [ Allah ] said, "What prevented you from prostrating when I commanded you?" [Satan] said, "I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay." 7:12

          So he vowed to take human away from believing in Oneness of Almighty by making they worship Almighty with partners or associates...

          August 30, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
        • Reality

          The previous comments were not from the original Reality.

          August 30, 2013 at 10:49 pm |
    • Kate

      mzh, enough of your dishonest exhortations of "peace" already. You've been caught out in your lies, and here are some excerpts of how violent the
      "guidance" in the Quran really demands that you be, within your religion of murder and terror:

      It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. – 8:67

      Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. – 2:191

      Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. – Sura 2:193 and 8:39

      Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. – 2:216
      (different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

      ..... martyrs.... Enter heaven – Surah 3:140-43

      But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. – 4:89

      O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. – 5:54

      Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme – 8:39

      O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. – 8:65

      Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. – 9:2-3

      When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. – 9:5

      Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. – 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

      mzh, you are a lying, deceptive con artist. Be gone!

      August 30, 2013 at 10:46 am |
      • mzh

        No one can guide anyone if that individual does not want to be guided and want to live in darknesses...

        I do not follow what you follow, you do not follow what I follow and to me is my religion and to you is yours...

        So peace be upon you... 🙂

        August 30, 2013 at 11:21 am |
    • Larry

      Bull. Look at Syria. They are killing fellow Muslims. The value of life: 0. Are you trying to say, in "no true Scotsman" style, that they aren't "true Muslims"? Bull.

      August 30, 2013 at 12:09 pm |
      • mzh

        A true Muslim ruler would fear that a dog should not go to sleep being hunger...

        If he is a true Muslim, he would not kill his own people... where is the teaching of Islam....

        One of the teaching of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) – "those are not part of my ummah (community), for whom his neighbor is in fear regardless of their faith"

        and he is killing poeople days and nights....

        One can espace from this earthly laws but every one of us will be standing in front of The Almighty on that day and that day there will not be any army to secure anyone...

        I would not come to any conclusion if I am not sure about anything....

        August 30, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
        • Larry

          Yep. The "No True Scotsman" defense. Yet it is happening all over the ME. The hypocrisy of your words belie the reality of what is happening over there, all in the name of Islam. Get a clue. Your religion isn't peaceful, although YOU may be.

          August 30, 2013 at 1:28 pm |
        • mzh

          Larry,

          You did hurt my feeling and made me cry, this is because of what other Muslim does with the name of Islam...

          Don't you think that the person should be blammed and not the words in the Koran or the faith itself?

          Koran never teaches someone to take advantage of others regardless of faith because he or she is a Muslim... its actually other way around... those will be held accountable until the victims are satisfied...

          99:7 – So whoever does an atom's weight of good will see it,

          99:8 – And whoever does an atom's weight of evil will see it.

          Peace....

          August 30, 2013 at 2:16 pm |
        • Johnny

          mzh, it is perfectly acceptable to blame the entire religion when there are verses in that religion's holy book that order non believers to be killed. This is the case with the Koran.

          August 30, 2013 at 2:55 pm |
        • Johnny

          Also, posting verses from the Koran which say not to harm others only proves that the Koran contradicts itself and is there for useless.

          August 30, 2013 at 2:58 pm |
        • mzh

          Johnny: you misunderstood totally...

          August 30, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
        • Larry

          I made you cry??
          Seriously...you have no idea what is going on in the world, do you? Sunni vs. Sheite, (sp?) Etcetera Etcetera...are these not Muslims? Are they not killing each other?
          Like I SAID, you may be peaceful, but over there? Not so freaking much. I am glad Islam gives YOU peace. It hasn't brought any to the ME.

          August 30, 2013 at 9:20 pm |
      • mzh

        Larry:

        There are plenty of verses in the Koran that talks about justice regardless of the faith... here is one of them and you tell me where does the Syrian dictator or any others fall... do they follow the Koran?

        O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in justice, witnesses for Allah , even if it be against yourselves or parents and relatives. Whether one is rich or poor, Allah is more worthy of both. So follow not [personal] inclination, lest you not be just. And if you distort [your testimony] or refuse [to give it], then indeed Allah is ever, with what you do, Acquainted. – 4:135

        I hope and wish people will stop blaming the entire faith rather blame the person who does injustice to himself and others...

        Peace!!!

        August 30, 2013 at 5:49 pm |
        • mzh

          So can a True Muslim do something like what is going on there? but why people do that? it is because they are ignorant and arrogant and all the attributes that you can add... this is human nature to be greedy of wealth, power, children and many more... but the best one who abide by the laws and you will find very few are law abiding Muslim around the earth...

          August 30, 2013 at 5:53 pm |
        • Larry

          The evidence of the Islamic faith is all over in the ME. Your apologetics over the bloodshed is sickening. Islam is 600 years behind the rest of the world. Time to freaking catch up. Clue your brethren in the ME, mmmkay?

          August 30, 2013 at 9:32 pm |
  16. mzh

    14:1 – Alif-Lam-Ra. [These letters are one of the miracles of the Quran, and none but Allah (Alone) knows their meanings]. (This is) a Book which We have revealed unto you (O Muhammad SAW) in order that you might lead mankind out of darkness (of disbelief and polytheism) into light (of belief in the Oneness of Allah and Islamic Monotheism) by their Lord's Leave to the Path of the All-Mighty, the Owner of all Praise.

    Peace be upon all of you... good night 🙂

    August 30, 2013 at 12:14 am |
    • Kate

      mzh, enough of your dishonest exhortations of "peace" already. You've been caught out in your lies, and here are some excerpts of how violent the
      "guidance" in the Quran really demands that you be in your religion of terror:

      It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. – 8:67

      Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. – 2:191

      Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. – Sura 2:193 and 8:39

      Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. – 2:216
      (different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

      ..... martyrs.... Enter heaven – Surah 3:140-43

      But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. – 4:89

      O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. – 5:54

      Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme – 8:39

      O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. – 8:65

      Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. – 9:2-3

      When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. – 9:5

      Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. – 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

      mzh, you are a lying, deceptive con artist. Be gone!

      August 30, 2013 at 10:47 am |
    • lol?? Pithiest, YES!!

      lol?? Pithiest, YES!!
      Your comment is awaiting moderation.
      Oh, ooooohhh. Anuther Jesus is being preached.
      "..............................In the meantime it is the duty of all the Muslims, especially the Shi'ah, to strive steadfastly for the creation of the proper atmosphere and the right climate for the establishment of a world order based on justice, virtue and piety. They should not only mould their individual lives according to the teachings and high ideals of Islam, but they should also bend their efforts to set up the Islamic order on the collective and communal level...................."
      http://www.al-islam.org/awaited/1.htm

      Everybody wants to RULE the WURLD!

      August 30, 2013 at 11:50 am |
      • mzh

        Please see my posting on August 30, 2013 at 9:46 am and August 30, 2013 at 9:48 am...

        This posting of yours was hidden for a while... mysterious...

        August 30, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
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