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Do Christians, Muslims and Jews worship the same God?
September 1st, 2013
03:26 AM ET

Do Christians, Muslims and Jews worship the same God?

Opinion by Jeffrey Weiss, Special to CNN

(CNN) - Pope Francis surprised Israeli and Palestinian leaders last month when he invited them to a special prayer ceremony at the Vatican this Sunday - not least because religion has often been the source, not the salve, of the region's conflicts.

Still, Pope Francis offered his "home" - the Vatican - as the perfect place to plea for some divine assistance, and Israeli President Shimon Peres and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas dutifully agreed to attend.

"The Pope has placed it in this perspective: Prayer is like a force for peace,” Vatican Secretary of State Archbishop Pietro Parolin told Vatican Radio.

"We hope that there, where human efforts have so far failed, the Lord offers to all the wisdom and fortitude to carry out a real peace plan."

But Sunday's special ceremony at the Vatican raises an interesting question: When Francis, Peres and Abbas bow their heads in prayer, will they be talking to the same God?

After all, Jews, Christians and Muslims all trace their faiths back to a fellow named Abraham, whom they all claim was chosen for special treatment by the Almighty.

Not academic

The “same God” question is one theologians have hammered at for as long as there have been enough religions for the query to make sense.

The question is hardly academic, though. In fact, a number of politicians, religious leaders and scholars have expressed hope in recent years that a convincing answer on the God question might dampen the violence committed in His name.

Yale Divinity School theologian Miroslav Volf recently edited a book titled “Do We Worship the Same God? Jews, Christians, and Muslims in Dialogue.”

In the introduction, Volf explained why the title question matters:

"To ask: ‘Do we have a common God?’ is, among other things, to worry: ‘Can we live together?’ That’s why whether or not a given community worships the same god as does another community has always been a crucial cultural and political question and not just a theological one."

On the other hand, there’s CNN Belief Blog contributor and Boston University religion professor Stephen Prothero.

His book on this subject is titled “God Is Not One: The Eight Rival Religions That Run The World.”

Prothero writes:

“For more than a generation we have followed scholars and sages down the rabbit hole into a fantasy world where all gods are one … In fact this naive theological groupthink – call it Godthink – has made the world more dangerous by blinding us to the clash of religions that threaten us worldwide.”

In the world of politics, President George W. Bush asserted the unity side of the argument more than once in the years after the 9/11 attacks - often as a way to deflect accusations that America was at war with Islam.

Bush told Al Arabiya television, “I believe there is a universal God. I believe the God that the Muslim prays to is the same God that I pray to. After all, we all came from Abraham. I believe in that universality.”

Pope Francis invites Israeli, Palestinian leaders to Vatican peace talks

Pope John Paul II drew from the same rhetorical well several times.

“We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection,” he first said in a speech to Muslims in Morocco in 1985.

Looking for a more recent example? Consider the plight of Vatican envoy to Malaysia.

Shortly after he arrived there last year, Archbishop Joseph Marino said that is was fine by him that Christian translations of the Bible into Malay use the word “Allah” for “God.”

“Allah” is, of course, the Arabic word for God and is found in the Quran. The Christian translators explained that since most Malaysians are Muslim, it’s the word they’re most comfortable with and therefore the best choice for the translation.

But many Muslim authorities in Malaysia were furious. They say Christians are slipping in the familiar word as a way to convert Muslims. And conversion of Muslims is all but illegal in Malaysia.

There’s a lawsuit ongoing about the translations. Marino had to apologize for pushing into Malaysian politics.

Points of disagreement

So what do the “Abrahamic” religions disagree about?

Among other things: the purpose of humanity, the relationship of God and humanity, sin, forgiveness, salvation, the afterlife, Jesus, Muhammad, the calendar, and the religious importance of Abraham himself.

Plus the nature of God.

Any summary will leave out enormous nuance. Internal divisions within religions have fueled some of the worst examples of human violence. Consider the long and frequently bloody history of troubles between Catholics and Protestants or the growing death toll of Muslim-on-Muslim attacks.

But there are common elements about God widely accepted in each tradition.

Judaism

Start with Judaism, since it came first and established roots that carried into the other two.

Jewish tradition teaches that there is one and only one God, creator of everything, and He established physical and moral laws. As Judaism’s preeminent prayer says: “The Lord our God, the Lord is one.”

This God walks and talks directly with His creations – for a while.

Eventually, He chooses one particular nomad (Abraham) to father a mighty nation that God sets up as an example to other nations.

This God likes the smell of burning meat and demands other extremely specific physical offerings as evidence of obedience and repentance. And He gives His chosen people a particular set of laws – but doesn’t mind discussion and even argument about those laws.

A famous rabbinic saying implies that every word in Judaism’s sacred texts can be understood in 70 correct (but related) ways. And human reasoning can even trump divine intention. (No kidding. It’s in the Talmud)

This God judges His people every year. Tradition says he’s willing to accept imperfection, as long as it comes with repentance.

He’s big on obedience, not so much on faith. He’s not nearly as attentive to the behaviors of non-Jews. (There’s a famous Jewish joke with the punch line “Would you mind choosing somebody else once in a while?”)

Tradition holds that there’s a World To Come after death where moral accounts will somehow be settled. But this God is vague on details.

Christianity

The most obvious differences in the Christian God are the traditional teachings about the Trinity and Jesus. God is three separate persons who are also one. How? Christianity says the Trinity is a “mystery” of faith.

According to Christian tradition, God begets a son who is somehow also Him but not Him to atone for Original Sin. He sacrifices that son though a brutal death and thus achieves humanity's salvation.

But the son, who also is God, rises from the dead. And that sacrifice redeems eternally all who accept and believe in it. Faith, not behavior, is the essential measure of salvation.

This God is willing to vastly expand what it means to be among His “chosen people.” He’s also willing to cancel many of the laws that had applied to that chosen group for this expanded membership.

Orthodox Jews say that God prohibits them from eating a cheeseburger; Christians say God has no problem with them wolfing down Big Macs.

Unlike the Jewish God, whose instructions are almost all about this world, the Christian God is focused more on eternal salvation: heaven and hell.

Finally, for this God, much of the Jewish scriptures (which are all God’s word) are actually about foreshadowing Jesus. Including Abraham.

Islam

The Muslim God is a bit more like the Jewish God.

There is no Trinity in Muslim tradition. Jesus was a prophet, but no more divine than other prophets.

God has never has had anything like physical attributes and has no gender. (Some Muslim commentators say that the noun “Allah” is masculine, but only in the way that all nouns in some languages include gender.)

Muslim tradition holds that God wants one thing from humans: Submission. The word “Islam” is defined as “submission to the will of God.”

For Muslims, all true prophets in Jewish and Christian traditions were actually Muslim because they knew to submit correctly to God. Differences between Muslim, Jewish and Christian interpretations of God are due to errors that crept into the other two faiths, Islam teaches.

The Muslim God, like the other two, initially demanded that Abraham sacrifice a son. But the Muslim God wanted Abraham’s son Ishmael, not Isaac, who Jewish tradition holds was offered as a the sacrifice.

The Muslim God also designated, from before the world began, a perfect man to be his final prophet: Muhammad. God’s perfect truths are found only in the Quran and in the sayings of Muhammad, the hadiths.

And the Muslim God, like the Christian God but unlike the Jewish God, will welcome believers to paradise and condemn many non-Muslims - exactly which ones is a matter of much discussion - to eternal torment.

Final answer

So do Christians Muslims, and Jews, really all worship the same God?

In two major volumes on the subject recently published by scholars from various faiths and traditions, including Volf’s, the most inclusive response from these scholars is basically: Yes, and it’s our God.

This is not a new way of answering the question.

In 1076, Pope Gregory VII wrote this to a Muslim leader: “We believe in and confess one God, admittedly, in a different way…”

But like many other religious leaders on all sides of the argument, Gregory insisted that his version of the Almighty is the one whom the others are unknowingly and incompletely worshiping.

A less exclusivist set of religions might shrug off the differences. But all three claim to have the only “True Faith.”

So do all three faiths actually worship the same deity, whether they call him God or Allah or Adonai?

God only knows.

Jeffrey Weiss is an award-winning religion reporter in Dallas.The views expressed in this column belong to Weiss. A version of this story first ran in September 2013. 

CNN's Daniel Burke contributed to this article. 

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • History • Islam • Judaism • Muslim • Religious violence • Torah • Vatican

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  1. dennisrichardson30

    NO

    August 29, 2014 at 1:42 am |
  2. bostontola

    It's interesting (and somewhat ironic) that you make a comment about denial (below), and all responses are denials. No counterargument, no objective evidence to refute, just denials (and an occasional insult).

    It's sad that you can't even have a conversation with some people. Some can't distinguish a position from a process. The scientific method, a debate, or skepticism is a process, vs. taking a position and denying the entire topic of discussion. Taking positions and avoiding a true discussion is a big obstacle to learning. The problem must be that the side opposing evolution has no objective evidence refuting it or supporting it's position. That does make a fruitful discussion hard to accomplish.

    June 10, 2014 at 4:40 pm |
  3. zhilla1980wasp

    anyone else notice they removed this articule from the list of articules to read?

    it goes from some singing nun to a totally different articule. i guess 78 pages worth of dogma, anti-evolution dislusions was enough. lol

    June 10, 2014 at 1:00 pm |
    • believerfred

      natural selection

      June 10, 2014 at 1:08 pm |
      • Akira

        D'oh!

        I don't know why it was put back into the rotation when the recent comments link didn't work, anyway. Makes for difficult blogging.

        June 10, 2014 at 1:13 pm |
        • otoh2

          Yeah, it's more of a 'slog' at this point.

          If you post on page 1 the new post links work, however, maybe move the discussion there...?

          June 10, 2014 at 2:15 pm |
      • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

        I infer evidence of a deliberate choice, though not necessarily intelligence.

        June 10, 2014 at 1:29 pm |
    • Akira

      Are you the same WASP that used to blog here a few years back? I've been meaning to ask you that.

      June 10, 2014 at 1:15 pm |
      • zhilla1980wasp

        yeah that's me. when they started the whole sign up thing, i quit blogging for a while.

        once i got bored enough and wanted a few laughs, i set up so i could get in the fray again.

        did you miss me? lol

        June 10, 2014 at 1:36 pm |
        • Akira

          I always miss the people who make this blog fun. You were one of the first people I talked to when I first came on.

          June 10, 2014 at 1:50 pm |
        • zhilla1980wasp

          @akira: yeah i guess my straight brained answers to individuals questions would seem fun.

          yeah i remember you, i missed a lot of the folks on here; that was another reason for getting back on.
          i hope you and yours have been doing good.

          June 10, 2014 at 1:59 pm |
        • Akira

          Yeah, we're a spirited bunch.
          Me and mine are doing well; I hope the same is true for you and yours.

          June 10, 2014 at 2:04 pm |
  4. bostontola

    I see we have folks ridiculing evolution again.

    It may be that some people confuse skepticism and denial. I understand being skeptical of an assertion when there is little to no solid objective evidence for the assertion or when there is conflicting objective evidence. That kind of critical thinking has yielded the most rapid advance in human understanding of the world in history. Denial on the other hand, is being skeptical of an assertion that has a lot of objective evidence, little to no conflicting objective evidence, and has been independently verified and often is consistent across multiple disciplines, but hasn't been 'proved'.

    It is apparently easy to confuse these different states of knowledge. There have been Holocaust deniers, smoking to lung cancer deniers, HIV to AIDS deniers, etc., and of course evolution deniers. Evolution is like gravity in an important way, people conflate the theory and the phenomenon. No theory of gravity is proven or completely right, but no one denies the phenomenon of gravity. Evolution should enjoy the same status and would if it didn't conflict with the literal words in a text sacred to many. Scientists remain skeptical of the parts of a theory, or the results of experiments that are not well founded yet. Scientists can be very pointed in their criticism of other scientists' methods and results. But they don't confuse part of the theory being weak with either the whole theory being false or the phenomenon being false.

    Human understanding, analysis, reason, etc. are all interwoven with emotion. That is a scientific fact. When I proved a theorem, I felt a rush of emotion, I deeply felt it was right. The fact that reason and emotion are inextricably linked is part of being human. The emotional part can often overpower the rational part. That is why I don't fully trust my own reason, and neither do scientists. They developed the scientific method to deal with these issues. Evolution deniers have strong emotional reasons to deny it. It conflicts with their understanding of the foundation of their existence. That is pretty difficult to overcome.

    June 10, 2014 at 11:45 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      I happened to catch 5-10 minutes of a religious show last night where the discussion was how 'evolution is a made up concept' that Satan is pushing in order to deceive Christians and people in general.

      That level of stupidity is pretty hard to overcome. As to your point it is completely an emotional argument that reason and evidence can't even address.

      June 10, 2014 at 12:50 pm |
      • igaftr

        Yes, I have heard the same argument, but when I trun the same argument on them, they think the idea is absurd.
        I ask them, how do you know the bible was not inspired by Satan, and the whole of the bible is not an elaborate trick...basically the same thing only a different subject.

        They can blame Satan for destroying their myths, but can't acknowledge that the very same guy may be tricking all of them with his book , the Bible.

        June 10, 2014 at 1:11 pm |
        • believerfred

          igaftr
          Can you honestly say you cannot sense the difference between Satan and God even if both are delusions as far as you are concerned? Can you say darkness or an eternal void is preferable to creation? Jesus is the deception and Hitler is love? Hate trumps acceptance.........ect.

          June 10, 2014 at 1:19 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          I like that position too. And I like to claim that God is actually a god of reason...he is actually going to punish those who eschewed reason for faith. The Holy Books and religions were created by god...but they were created to test us to determine who lacked reason and common sense.

          June 10, 2014 at 1:26 pm |
        • igaftr

          fred
          Preference is irrelevant.
          As far as "sensing" good or bad, completely subjective. Are you trying to say you can always tell when someone is tricking you, You watch a master magician, and you can just tell that he is tricking you?

          SO fred, how do you know that Satan isn't the reason the bible exists as his greatest trick? Maybe Satan is tricking your "feeling" as well.

          It is simply a matter of wanting. You want your god to be all you imagine, so you convince yourself in your mind that "he" is all you imagine, and you imagine that your god inspired your bible, you imagine god would not allow satan to corrupt the beleif, but you have NOTHING other than imagination, nothing at all.

          Satan, as the master deciever, would be able to completely fool you, and all believers. SO how do you know he hasn't. It seems just as likely your Satan created your book, especially considering the violent destructive history that belief has generated, all of the confusion in translation...all traits one would expect from Satan.

          Be honest fred, how could you possibly know ( and don't give me that "feeling" crap)

          June 10, 2014 at 1:36 pm |
        • believerfred

          igaftr
          "As far as "sensing" good or bad, completely subjective."
          =>plain and pleasure are subjective as well in that regard, however the 1% who think pain is pleasure stick out and are not considered normal. Atheism is not a normal reaction and completely subjective.

          "you can just tell that he is tricking you?"
          =>no, it is called deception for a reason which does not change the reality that right and wrong exist.

          "SO fred, how do you know that Satan isn't the reason the bible exists as his greatest trick? Maybe Satan is tricking your "feeling" as well."
          =>So, love your neighbor as yourself is a trick and doing bad/ hurting yourself and others is the better way? Getting all you can from life and others then leaving a mess behind is right....

          " you have NOTHING other than imagination, nothing at all."
          =>no, the impact of belief in God has changed our very reality to be what it is. Sorry your denial prevents you from seeing that. The other nations did not know the God of Israel but they feared Israel because God was with them. You can call it imagination but it certainly is anything but nothing at all

          "It seems just as likely your Satan created your book, especially considering the violent destructive history"
          =>it is the way of man as atheists as well as believers have a destructive history.

          "Be honest fred, how could you possibly know ( and don't give me that "feeling" crap)"
          =>life struggles to exist until it reaches a point where the life is not worth the struggle. That vitality is constantly seeking and hoping towards purpose although not identifiable. At some point supernatural was recognized as that non identifiable purpose long before the Bible became oral tradition then written. Neanderthal buried important objects with dead infants long before the Bible. God was self evident while Satan in the shadows pulls down.

          June 10, 2014 at 2:51 pm |
        • igaftr

          fred
          Fred
          All those things that you claim show Sstan has nothing to do with it...all put there by satan to further trick you, to lull you into false security.

          Now do you get the point that you simply do not know, and could very well be Satans plaything by following the work of Satan which is the Bible...you simply don't know.

          June 10, 2014 at 3:07 pm |
        • believerfred

          Exactly why would Satan want me to see all the alternatives? That would be like a magician showing me the trick then trying to fool me again.

          June 10, 2014 at 3:40 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          =>So, love your neighbor as yourself is a trick and doing bad/ hurting yourself and others is the better way? Getting all you can from life and others then leaving a mess behind is right....

          fred,

          The best lies contain portions that are true. Maybe the "love your neighbor" part is true but requiring people to believe dogmatic claims (like the resurrection) in order to be "saved" is false. After all, the dogma is what divides people...isn't that what Satan would want?

          June 10, 2014 at 4:57 pm |
        • believerfred

          Blessed are the Cheesemakers
          I have to agree with you as history and Jesus pointed out man (Priests in particular) twists the Word of God to the point it no longer is truth but dogma reflecting evil in man.

          June 10, 2014 at 6:26 pm |
      • awanderingscot

        Cheese
        you nor anyone else has provided incontrovertible that evolution is a fact. you believe it because you want to believe it. it's a fairy tale you choose to believe. you probably played with plastic dinosaurs and/or used crayons in a dinosaur coloring book before the 'science guy' told you his story. you're brainwashed with a delusion.

        June 10, 2014 at 1:53 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Oh here you go again!!! You're a complete buffoon! I'm surprised you manage to tie your own shoes without adult assistance. It is pure intellectual dishonesty to have evidence shown to you and yet still deny it!!
          See they can teach evolution in schools, not due it being a conspiracy against the poor persecuted christards like you but due to it being based on solid acceptable evidence...regardless of how stupid you may wish to continue to be on the subject, you don't change the facts. Here is a link that shows why we are right about evolution and your incest story of the bible isn't.
          Are you by chance a lover of incest?? That is basically what the bible claims...you're an idiot if you can't put two and two together and see that.

          June 10, 2014 at 2:01 pm |
        • igaftr

          scot
          "you nor anyone else has provided incontrovertible that evolution is a fact."

          You may be right, that no one has provided incontrovertable.

          I don't see how anyone could.

          On the other hand MANY scientists have proven evolution, beyond any reasonable doubt. It is proven daily.

          June 10, 2014 at 2:01 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          That link: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/

          Thankfully this is taught...our world needs less people like you. However you are part of the reason the country falls behind on so much education wise...willful ignorance

          June 10, 2014 at 2:03 pm |
        • awanderingscot

          "truth"
          "due to it being based on solid acceptable evidence.." acceptable to whom? and what evidence? acceptable obviously to delusional atheists who need desparately to believe in something even tho there is absolutely no proof. the evolution delusion has provided not a shred of evidence in spite of all the blather and saying the same thing over and over again; but hey, if atheists want to bow down at the alter of evolution and call it 'fact' then please go on believing your fairy tale. evolution is a fraud and fairy tale that godless people worship without any evidence and that is a fact.

          June 10, 2014 at 2:09 pm |
        • zhilla1980wasp

          scot: if you are so positive that you know we are delusional, then why waste your time on here?

          i mean seriously your god has a whole book full of rules about how you should be out spreading the word to the world; why aren't you doing that instead of watsing your time trying to save deluded people like us.
          do you believe you can make/ get us to change? then that would make you deluded simply thinking that you a faceless person on the other side of the monitor can truly accomplish what all others that bother us on a daily basis face to face failed to achieve?

          not to mention we simply don't believe in gods, as far a science i enjoy what science has accomplished.
          even evolutionary science; which mind you we use on a daily basis to track the next flu out break and how it will mutate; yet please keep attempting to convince us atheists that the PHD's all these researchers and scienctists have are fake and how we are involved in a global conspiracy lead by your lucifer.

          yeah you sound perfectly sane. lol

          June 10, 2014 at 2:10 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          Evolution is the best evidence based conclusion. Scientists from all walks of life, around the world accept evolution because of the evidence and where it leads. To argue against it means you are saying 99.9% of all the scientists, regardless of country, culture or religion are in a grand conspiracy just to fool people like you. If that is what you are saying...you are a kook...a complete loon on the same level as a "flat earther" or a "holocost denier".

          And since you are so sure it is a lie. It shuld be easy to prove your case with evidence. You could be world famous and win Nobel prizes and money which you then could use to help rid the world of other lies.

          But you would still have a problem, because proving evolution wrong does not mean creationism is right by default...you would still need to prove that.

          June 10, 2014 at 2:10 pm |
        • Akira

          awanderingscot, do you think there are no Christians who accept evolution as fact?

          June 10, 2014 at 2:14 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          TOT: Tell us again how many people have been awarded the Nobel Peace Award for their findings on Creationism?? Tell us again why it is evolution is taught in schools but yet creationism can't be?
          Evolution is accepted via many scientists-people who have devoted years to researching the subject and who have followed the scientific method to determine the facts.
          Tell us, did you graduate high school? Does your Mommy tie your shoes for you each day? Have you ever left the trailer park and gone to school outside of it?

          June 10, 2014 at 2:27 pm |
        • awanderingscot

          evolution is a myth. they like to banty this lie that supposedly 99.9% of scientists confirm evolution. this is yet another lie told by godless men and part of the evolution fairy tale.

          June 10, 2014 at 3:16 pm |
        • awanderingscot

          Akira
          do you believe in evolution?

          June 10, 2014 at 3:18 pm |
        • believerfred

          awanderingscot
          Assume for a moment that God used the process of evolution to create the fallen world we live in. How does that change anything you believe as far as the kingdom of God is concerned?

          June 10, 2014 at 3:44 pm |
        • awanderingscot

          well Fred, i believe the word of God over man and He tells me He created "each according to it's kind". this does not imply that he created a single-celled organism and let some process take over. i don't believe He leaves it open to interpretation with this statement.

          June 10, 2014 at 3:52 pm |
        • awanderingscot

          Fred
          but to answer your question, we live under a curse, all the natural order we're told, and it would be more logical to assume we are devolving and not evolving. man likes to think he is growing wiser and indeed many will pridefully believe we are 'more like God'. that's not what God says, and although He created us 'in His image', we are not God, never will be. we were created to worship Him. many have not believed the truth and more and more people will turn away from Him believing themselves self-sufficient. when as a people the iniquity has reached the fullness of time, destruction will come and He is righteous and just in doing so because they refused the olive branch he has held out. free will given also has the potential to bring salvation and those who believe His truth will not fall for the delusion and will be saved. those who do believe the lie are damning themselves.

          And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie – 2 Thessalonians 2:11

          June 10, 2014 at 4:36 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          "they like to banty this lie that supposedly 99.9% of scientists confirm evolution."

          Translation:

          (sticks fingers in ears) "Lalalalalalalalal"

          You just confirmed you are a loon and should not be responed to ever again.

          June 10, 2014 at 4:52 pm |
        • believerfred

          awanderingscot
          I would agree with you that there is no evidence that a frog can turn into dog and all honest biologists would agree. There is a good reason for this, but that is not the issue. The issue is that the Bible is silent on evolution and the process God used in creation. God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so. This statement does not need our support and it does not contradict current evolution theory and no components of that theory contradict this creation event.
          When it comes to the science of various lines of evidence for common descent it is solid. Scientific consensus does change over time with new evidence, yet the truth of God is absolute. Just as scientific consensus changes so does consensus over what the Bible says. There continues a strong movement towards theistic evolution yet I prefer to stick with what the Bible says not what man agrees upon.
          Moses 3,400 years ago recorded the order of creation by kinds with accuracy not touched by any other Holy Book. That is just one reason the Bible is the greatest story ever told.

          June 10, 2014 at 6:20 pm |
    • believerfred

      "Evolution should enjoy the same status and would if it didn't conflict with the literal words in a text sacred to many"
      =>It does not conflict with the Bible which is one of the reasons it stands out among holy books.
      =>The problem is not the scientific method used the problem is scientism that extrapolates the major components of evolution theory into a world view. That world view being natural laws are all that exist and existence is the result of natural laws.

      June 10, 2014 at 1:02 pm |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        =>It does not conflict with the Bible which is one of the reasons it stands out among holy books.

        Lots of Christians do think it conflicts with the Bible. Maybe you should let them know you have the correct interpretation.

        =>The problem is not the scientific method used the problem is scientism that extrapolates the major components of evolution theory into a world view. That world view being natural laws are all that exist and existence is the result of natural laws.

        That is not true. Natural laws are all that can be demonstrated to exist. If you can demonstrate something unnatural or supernatural exists go right ahead...until then what you have is supersti.tion.

        June 10, 2014 at 1:17 pm |
        • believerfred

          Blessed
          "let them know you have the correct interpretation."
          =>exactly how could absolute truth be impacted by my interpretation? God allowed Eve to see what she wanted to see in that desirable fruit and based on evidence God allows us to see what we desire. The fact you reject God does not change the fact you also see what you desire. This is an absolute truth concerning mankind and it comes with a strong warning from God. If you eat from it (let it get inside your essence) or even touch it you will die. So death it is both physical (at some point) and relational (you and God).

          As to natural laws help me understand how that is not circular reasoning. The existence of time and space without boundary is not of any natural law which demands something other than the natural.

          June 10, 2014 at 1:37 pm |
        • zhilla1980wasp

          @fred:
          space- the absence of stuff.......well minus ions and other forms of energy.
          time- which form of evaluating time are you refering to?

          please enjoy this free science experiment of how to simulate the big bang.

          space is like a fish tank full of water, a f.i.r.e.cr.a.ck,er lowered into the water would be the big bang.
          you can see energy waves passing through the water and the debrie that would make up the first stars (hint: the particules left over from the popper.)

          June 10, 2014 at 1:50 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          Like I said fred, natural laws are all that have been demonstrated to exist. You might be right, there could be something more...but you would have to demonstrate that, not just assert it. To claim there is, without justification, is supersti.tion.

          You are the one making the claim that there is more than natural laws...the burden of proof is on you.

          June 10, 2014 at 2:18 pm |
    • awanderingscot

      maybe it's because the theory of evolution has not made one contribution or advancement to mankind since it was dreamed up. it's a fairy tale that enables lazy men to not have a real job.

      June 10, 2014 at 1:43 pm |
      • Doris

        In what way is the validity of a theory dependent on contribution?

        June 10, 2014 at 1:57 pm |
      • Doris

        The only fairy tale I see is that which is rolling around in that wee brain of yours, Scotty.

        June 10, 2014 at 2:01 pm |
      • Doc Vestibule

        Here's a link to a recent seminar about evolutionary medicine, full of useful references detailing some of the ways in which Darwin's theory is being used in modern medical research.

        https://my.mdibl.org/display/courses/Evolution+and+Medicine+2011+-+Presentation+abstracts

        June 10, 2014 at 2:06 pm |
        • awanderingscot

          D0C
          research is a b.s. category where any time and effort can be justified. what tangible results can be DIRECTLY linked to the theory of evolution? NONE.

          June 10, 2014 at 2:14 pm |
        • Akira

          Research is now BS?
          Wow.

          June 10, 2014 at 2:18 pm |
        • Doc Vestibule

          I take it you didn't bother to pay any attention whatsoever to the information I linked.
          Good on ya!
          Who needs facts when you have faith, right?

          June 10, 2014 at 2:33 pm |
        • awanderingscot

          Akira
          evolution research is b.s.

          June 10, 2014 at 3:29 pm |
        • Doc Vestibule

          Scot is starting to sound like Behe....
          So back in '96, Behe boldly states that nobody will ever be able to provide an evolutionary explanation for the immune system.
          When he is given fifty-eight peer-reviewed publications, nine books, and several immunology textbook chapters about the evolution of the immune system, he simply "not good enough".

          June 10, 2014 at 3:39 pm |
      • igaftr

        Other than the daily contibutions to the medical industry, the bio hazrd clean up industry, the pharmacutical indictry, the agriculture industry...no...nothing of note scot.

        June 10, 2014 at 2:07 pm |
        • awanderingscot

          igafrt
          in what way has the myth of evolution contributed to bio-hazard cleanup? agriculture? medical? this is another lie told by dreamers. merely saying it has contributed to these fields doesn't prove anything. evolution is a fairy tale that attempts to hijack other real science.

          June 10, 2014 at 2:59 pm |
        • igaftr

          scot
          The myth of evolution has not contributed anything, and I cannot find any refernce to such a thing. Evolution on the other hand...we are using the evolutionary processes to modify various and assorted genetics, which would not be possible if not for the evolutionary processes.

          I could bring out myriad examples, you can find them yourself quickly and easily, but I seriously doubt you would understand it since your education seemes to have ended with the 70's.

          Simply do your own research and you will find countless industries that use the evolutionary processes and mechanisms to change the way you are living. That flu shot you get every year ( or don't, either way it ia available)...each year need to be altered to keep up with the evolution of the various viruses involved.

          I am not going to waste my time proving what you can easily show yourself. Rather that, you will choose to believe the lies in your bible over fact. Sad...simply sad.

          June 10, 2014 at 3:30 pm |
        • awanderingscot

          igafrt
          the myth of evolution is self-contradictory and it could not possibly be useful in a short time span since evolution as a process consumes millions and millions of years. you may not have heard about adaptation which is totally different than evolution. you should probably go back and review some of the basics of your fairy tale so that you can relate it with a straight face. try thinking more logically.

          June 10, 2014 at 3:46 pm |
    • awanderingscot

      Bostonola
      what makes you think you can conflate evolution with the holocaust, lung cancer, HIV, etc? this is a dishonest attempt by evolutionists to hijack very real and substantial evidence and occurrence just as they attempt to do with the natural order. Evolution is not like gravity and does not even belong in the same sentence. gravity has been proven, evolution has not, so why would a rational person assign the same status. if evolution were indeed true, then the fact of it would speak for itself. it's not and therefore it cannot have the same status. your argument is totally lacking in rationality and logic.

      June 10, 2014 at 2:52 pm |
      • bostontola

        Scotty,
        You missed the point. Not one theory of gravity has been proven, that doesn't mean the phenomenon of gravity is false. The theory of evolution has not been proven doesn't mean the phenomenon is false. For both theories, there is a ton of objective evidence, and no objective evidence that the phenomenon is false.

        You also missed the point that an idea with no objective evidence should be viewed skeptically (e.g. Tarot card reading). Ideas with a lot of objective evidence and no objective evidence against it should not be denied. You keep saying 'evolution has not been incontrovertibly proven'. If you apply that standard to medicine, you would never see a doctor. It's absurd.

        Like I said, you're response is emotional. I'm not going to try to change your mind. Believe what you want. I'm just pointing out that you and people who think like you are very confused. You demonstrate that almost every time you comment on science.

        June 10, 2014 at 3:22 pm |
        • awanderingscot

          boston
          no one but believers in the myth of evolution would ever call gravity a theory. who calls gravity a theory? ask any physicist if he thinks gravity is a theory and you're going to get laughed at. please don't equate evolution with gravity, it only makes you look more foolish.

          June 10, 2014 at 3:35 pm |
        • bostontola

          Scotty,
          You missed the point again. Newton had a theory of gravity. Einstein had a theory of gravity. There are many more. None are proven, that doesn't mean there is no gravity. Same for evolution. Even if the theories are not perfect or proven, that doesn't mean there isn't evolution. There is a ton of objective evidence supporting evolution, and none refuting evolution. That isn't what humans mean by the word 'myth'. A myth is a story that has no objective evidence. Evolution has tons of objective evidence (literally in libraries around the world). You just demonstrated the conflation of skepticism and denial I posted about. You provided no counterargument, no objective evidence, just confused denials and an occasional insult for emphasis.

          June 10, 2014 at 3:46 pm |
      • Akira

        awanderingscot, do you think there are no Christians who accept evolution as fact?

        June 10, 2014 at 3:41 pm |
  5. HeavenSent

    Christians come on these blogs to speak the Truth about Jesus and the Bible. The Bible is proven to be 100% accurate. My toilet is broke again, but I just bought trash bags at Costco. Ignore the Word and suffer the consequences for all eternity.

    Amen.

    June 10, 2014 at 10:23 am |
  6. HeavenSent

    Carnal atheists, always spewing the lies of satan and never following the Truth of Jesus Christ. Hell waits for those who do not believe in Him. My camel-toe loves beach weather. Walk with Him and read the bible.

    Amen.

    June 10, 2014 at 10:13 am |
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