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Poll: American Catholics agree with pope about culture wars
October 4th, 2013
10:25 AM ET

Poll: American Catholics agree with pope about culture wars

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) - American Catholics overwhelmingly support newly installed Pope Francis, according to a poll released Friday, and agree with his statements that the church should focus less on contentious social issues.

Nearly seven in 10 American Catholics say the church has become too focused on same-sex marriage, abortion, and contraceptives, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released Friday.

What's more, 60% of American Catholics support same-sex marriage, a number that continues to be larger than support from all American adults. Thirty-one percent of American Catholics said they do not support same-sex marriage.

This number is consistent with other polls, like a Public Religion Research Institute poll in 2012 that found 59% of American Catholics support same-sex marriage.

Despite the support among American Catholics, the Roman Catholic Church maintains rigorous opposition to same-sex marriage. But in a recent wide-ranging interview with America Magazine, the pope brushed off critics who have said he should be more vocal in trumpeting the church's position on abortion and same-sex marriage.

In the interview, Francis said if the church fails to find a "new balance" between its spiritual and political missions, its moral foundation will "fall like a house of cards."

“We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods," he told his Jesuit interviewer. "I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that."

But the pope said the church's teachings on those issues are clear, and he clearly believes in those teachings, so what else is there to say?

"It is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time," Francis said.

The poll also found 36% of American Catholics say abortion should be legal in most cases, compared to 34% of all Americans.

“On the two issues that have prompted some pulpit thundering, same-sex marriage and abortion, Catholics are right in line, or even a little ahead, of their non-Catholic neighbors,” said Maurice Carroll, director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

While the poll shows support for Francis' statement on social issues, American Catholics appear to disagree with the pope on the ordination of female priests.

According to the survey, 60% of American Catholics support women priests, while 30% are against it.

Earlier this year, Francis emphatically closed the door on women's ordination, telling an audience that the "door is closed" to that possibility.

In his recent interview, Francis reiterated this statement but said that does not mean the church should see women as secondary or inferior.

"Women are asking deep questions that must be addressed," the pope said. "The church cannot be herself without the woman and her role."

Overall, American Catholics are roundly supportive of the new pope, with a whopping 89% saying they have either a very favorable or favorable view of Francis. Only 4% say they have an unfavorable view.

Quinnipiac interviewed 392 Catholics by telephone from September 23-29. The poll has a sampling error of plus or minus 2.3 percentage points.

– CNN's Eric Marrapodi and Daniel Burke contributed to this report.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Abortion • Polls • Pope Francis • Same-sex marriage

soundoff (791 Responses)
  1. EdL

    Catholics back the pope? They certainly should, so far as they are concerned the pope is the Infallible One.

    October 4, 2013 at 11:07 pm |
  2. Beefburger

    Wow, liberals really know how to twist words. "But the pope said the church's teachings on those issues are clear, and he clearly believes in those teachings, so what else is there to say?

    "It is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time," Francis said."

    This means that these issues are not even up for discussion NOT that he is changing any positions. How did you pass English 101? That is still required for a journalism degree isn't it? For some reason I believe that CNN hasn't been interested in thier staff actually ataining those lately.

    October 4, 2013 at 10:58 pm |
  3. NorthVanCan

    Lucky for us religion is losing steam. Or rather hot air as I like to call it.

    October 4, 2013 at 10:35 pm |
  4. MD

    CNN ...your polls lie more than you do....what a use waste you are

    October 4, 2013 at 9:58 pm |
    • Hmmmmmmmmmm

      Care to share your evidence for that statement? Got any other sources with significantly different numbers?

      October 4, 2013 at 10:02 pm |
  5. Lionly Lamb

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS1x-6al2pE&w=640&h=390]

    October 4, 2013 at 9:45 pm |
  6. FrenchChef

    Sorry, Dude, but this routine of right-wingers, "religious wrong" and anti-gays whining that their intended victims are "the real bullies" is getting mighty old.

    October 4, 2013 at 7:35 pm |
    • Dude

      But those traits don't accurately describe all religious people. I know plenty of left wing and h*mos*xual religious people.

      October 4, 2013 at 7:53 pm |
  7. Dude

    How come some people on here claim to possess a logical and fact based mindset, yet can't explain their point of view without acting hostile and demeaning toward "religious people". I see some people basing their disagreement against religious people based on feelings, and not facts. I've been questioning the atheist as.sertion that religious people are delusional. Because I work, live and play with many religious people. And most of them are very stable minded. And none are quite as rude and angry as the fanatical atheists posting on here. Why not just live and let others live? Why are the atheists acting so crazy on here? Thankfully that is not a requirement to be an atheist. Most don't do that.

    October 4, 2013 at 7:02 pm |
    • Topher

      Can only speak for myself. When I was an atheist and then as a false convert, I also was a very angry person. I had a REALLY high opinion of myself and delighted in calling others idiots. But when I look back on it now, I think it was because I KNEW God existed, even though I rejected that knowledge ... which of course confirms scripture.

      October 4, 2013 at 7:09 pm |
      • Dude

        Yea, we tear down others to feel better about ourselves. Anger can lead to a high, like a drug.

        October 4, 2013 at 7:15 pm |
        • Topher

          Atheists usually don't want to hear this, but anger is one of the many things God changed in me when He saved me.

          October 4, 2013 at 7:25 pm |
        • HotAirAce

          Topher, perhaps you should stop projecting your problems and alleged solutions onto anyone else, especially given that there are plenty of known good anger management treatments that do not involve any alleged supernatural beings and that there is no evidence for your or any god.

          October 4, 2013 at 9:17 pm |
        • Topher

          True, there are places to help with that. But I didn't go to one. It just ... went away after I trusted Him. It's pretty good proof to me.

          October 5, 2013 at 8:51 am |
      • Declan

        You were an "atheist" who knew god existed. Talk about blowing all credibility is just a few words!

        October 4, 2013 at 9:51 pm |
    • Just the Facts Ma'am...

      I would just like to point out that at least as many comments coming from the supposed religious side of the argument are just as if not more "hostile and demeaning" towards those of different or no faith.

      I do not believe this is an atheist or a Christian thing, it's a human thing. To belittle and malign those with whom we have disagreements such that we cannot for the life of us understand how the other person could have reached such a flawed opinion, is for lack of a better word, human. Now, if one side did, for example, claim to have some divine power they were representing, you would think that their comments would not be so...human, but there we have it. And on the flip side, you would think that those who claim no allegience to any higher power might consistantly be rude, crass and violent and yet there are many respectful and well spoken atheists.

      I do not believe in blasphemy, but I do believe in respecting others enough to let them have their own opinions, that is as long as they don't try and legislate their opinions onto others. That is when the rest of the freedom loving Americans should shout in your face and tell you to move to Iran if you want a theocracy, because attempting to turn our nation into one goes against the very fabric of the constltution (it was printed on hemp) and should be stomped out at every turn.

      October 4, 2013 at 7:21 pm |
      • Dude

        Good points. Thanks.

        October 4, 2013 at 7:27 pm |
      • lol??

        Who needs a theocracy when the A&A's turned the republic into a demobocracy Beast?? The state gubmints don't have any representation. It's top down rule and they have more power than any CHURCH ever dreamed of. The mob ran ya bankrupt with a little help from the dirtbag dustball rich. How can the nation even be called the united states?? Now there's socie evolution for ya. It's pwogwessive and hip.

        October 4, 2013 at 9:10 pm |
    • norman

      sadly, most religious people are mindless sheep-they were force fed a belief while young and never questioned it. and admit it-believing bronze age porimtive beliefs is pretty silly...a zombie rose from the dead? talking snakes?

      October 4, 2013 at 7:38 pm |
      • Dude

        That is more of a personal attack based on feelings, not facts. I know plenty of non-religious people who do crazy things. Can you show that you have a mind, without insisting it is all the other people that don't?

        October 4, 2013 at 7:51 pm |
        • sam stone

          i don't for a moment believe all religious people are delusional

          there are people of faith in my real life who have tremendous faith

          i don't agree with them, but i respect their views

          not so much with some of the posters, including the ground dwelling rodent

          he claims to have KNOWLEDGE

          that strikes me as incredibly arrogant

          October 5, 2013 at 8:59 am |
      • Topher

        norman

        I actually agree with you on some of this.

        "sadly, most religious people are mindless sheep-they were force fed a belief while young and never questioned it."

        And sadly it's often those people that fall away. The Church has done a poor job of telling people THAT they should believe the things in the Bible, but not WHY.

        ""and admit it-believing bronze age porimtive beliefs is pretty silly..."

        Why? God couldn't have revealed His message to them?

        "a zombie rose from the dead? talking snakes?"

        Blasphemy and disrespect. Jesus Christ did indeed rise from the dead, but He was no zombie. And where does it say a snake talked?

        October 4, 2013 at 7:53 pm |
        • sam stone

          more unproven claims.

          you are in fine form today, gopher

          October 5, 2013 at 9:02 am |
    • perlawolf

      I think in general, people of one group like think that they are better than another... People enjoy being feeling superior... Whether it's atheist/religious... one country versus another... races against each other... its done all the time

      October 4, 2013 at 8:23 pm |
    • sam stone

      It gets very frustrating when "religious" posters such as gopher claim to want to have a discussion then turn around to preach

      the avoid answering direct questions and then bloviate empty proxy threats

      you reading this, gopher?

      you are a coward

      October 5, 2013 at 8:48 am |
  8. Rett

    You are so right, Muslim. The standard is very high....one which no believer ever completely attains..... how can you love God whom you have not seen if you can't love your fellow man whom you have seen? It is understandable why some question a believers true love for God considering how they treat others sometimes....that is sad.

    October 4, 2013 at 6:42 pm |
  9. myreply

    Avoiding or downplaying 'contentious issues' makes you more popular with the world. Typical politician strategy. I'd like to see people stand up for what the Bible says, not what a rich religious/political organization tells them to do.

    October 4, 2013 at 6:41 pm |
    • Jericho

      What does Jesus say about gay people, specifically? Chapter and verse, please. Specifically. Gay people. Jesus Christ, as in who Christianity is named after. Go.

      October 4, 2013 at 6:45 pm |
      • Dude

        He said "..............................................................."nothing regarding the matter.

        October 4, 2013 at 6:53 pm |
      • lol??

        He didn't have to say anything. They weren't around except in the empty houses partyin', when mom and dad were in the streets listening to Jesus. Teenagers pull the same tricks at vacation time.

        October 4, 2013 at 9:15 pm |
      • Jimmy M

        Jesus said, "Do not think that I have come to do away with the Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets. I have not come to do away with them, but to make their teachings come true. Remember that as long as heaven and earth last, not the least point nor the smallest detail of the Law will be done away with - not until the end of all things. So then, whoever disobeys even the least important of the commandments and teaches others to do the same, will be least in the Kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:17, Today's English Version). That is Jesus' unqualified endorsement of ALL the moral teachings of the Old Testament, including Leviticus 18:22.

        October 7, 2013 at 9:53 am |
    • EnjaySea

      That's because the Bible always says just what you want it to say, and your god always seems to think the same way you do, and hate all the same people you do.

      Yawn.

      October 4, 2013 at 7:01 pm |
      • Yea!

        You can say whatever you want and hate whoever you want. No god required.

        October 4, 2013 at 7:03 pm |
    • norman

      the bible orders women to marry their rapist in the OT (Deut 22:28) then god changed its mind-you REALLY trust such a book to be the word of god? absurd

      October 4, 2013 at 7:39 pm |
  10. Chorizo

    Spittin' image of Jonathan Pryce
    Or vice-versa...

    October 4, 2013 at 6:30 pm |
  11. John Stefanyszyn

    American Catholics back Pope's downplaying of contentious social issues...because American Catholics believe that that it is RIGHT TO BE FREE to live according to one's own "rights"....and this belief confesses that it is RIGHT TO BE FREE to worship any 'god'.....and Jorge Bergoglio has declared that this "FREEDOM" IS RIGHT.

    BUT there is Only One Creator God and He has said that we are to worship Only Him and to serve Him Alone

    Soon, it will be Only The Son of the One God, Jesus Christ, who will rule as the One King according to the Will of the One God and judgement will be passed according to the One Truth....and man will cry and scream in anger when his first love for his "freedom of self" will be no more.

    October 4, 2013 at 6:22 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Bullsh!t. . .

      October 4, 2013 at 6:28 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      "BUT there is Only One Creator God and He has said that we are to worship Only Him and to serve Him Alone"
      +++ you don't need God to be a good person. believe in your fellow man, not an imaginary friend.

      uh, oh, i know i'm risking Dude's wrath and disagree with someone on the belief blog. hope his panties don't get in a bunch again...

      October 4, 2013 at 6:28 pm |
      • Bootyfunk Parrot

        Imaginary friend. BAK! BAK!

        October 4, 2013 at 6:36 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      Nice work John, you have your Christian dogma all memorized and ready to deliver. To those out there who believe in all that hooey, your comment probably rings true. For the rest of us, it just sounds like a bunch of insane gibberish.

      October 4, 2013 at 7:06 pm |
    • sam stone

      wow, johnny, thanks for the praise-gasm

      very convincing it is, to those who already believe

      October 5, 2013 at 9:04 am |
    • sam stone

      i have a theory that petty, vindictive pr1cks find comfort in a petty, vindictive pr1ck god.

      i think it comforts them to believe that god is like them

      john's post here is another data point in support of that hypothesis

      he seems to be joyous at the thought of the unbeliever sufferring eternal torment

      while he pleases jeebus in a very monica lewinsky manner....for ETERNITY

      October 5, 2013 at 9:11 am |
  12. Bootyfunk Parrot

    BAK!

    October 4, 2013 at 6:10 pm |
  13. Live4Him

    @ME II : Ah, you meant define compatibility. What you said was how does one recognize it.

    No, I wasn't' asking for the definition. Any 3rd grader knows how to look up a definition in a dictionary. My rhetorical question (remember – the one you answered) was meant to guide you PAST the simple definition to grasping the concept being addressed – the claim of incompatibility after a commitment. Compatibility is simple – basic attraction and LOTS of hard work. With hard work, difficulties are addressed before they get too hard to handle. Most people today wants things easy and don't put in effort into life. But God said "by the sweat of your brow you will bring forth your livelihood". With hard work, life can be enjoyable. And marriages will last and be enjoyable. However, prior to marriage, people want the benefits without the work – and set themselves up for failure later.

    October 4, 2013 at 5:53 pm |
    • Mary

      You grow more condescending every day, Live4Him. You Live4YourEgo.

      October 4, 2013 at 6:06 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      you have a 6th grade view of life.

      October 4, 2013 at 6:13 pm |
  14. Gol

    My gosh the anti-religious sheeple are out in style today. You can't get one to comment without 2 or 3 more offering a slap on the @ss.

    October 4, 2013 at 5:40 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      ignorant comments often do get the intellectual b.tich slap.

      October 4, 2013 at 5:41 pm |
      • Gol

        You must be in a lot of pain then.

        October 4, 2013 at 5:43 pm |
        • Live4Him

          :)

          October 4, 2013 at 5:44 pm |
        • Dude

          He has not said anything intelligent. He is one of those dolts who thinks declaring yourself an atheist make you an intellectual. No, no, no Bootyfunk.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:44 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          awww, it's the sad brigade. sad that someone doesn't agree with their own special brand of religious fertilizer. if you want straight up god worship - go to a christian website. this is a religious blog, the point of which is to discuss religion. maybe it's not for you. :(

          October 4, 2013 at 5:48 pm |
        • Gol

          You are correct, being atheist does not mean one is an intellectual. There are atheist sheep and much as there are religious sheep.
          Athiests simply arrived at a different way of accepting reality. They feel there is no aspect of reality that has or need spirituality within it. This does not make them more intelligent than others, it just means they think differently on the topic of spiritual faith and religion.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:49 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          and then we have Dude, crying about insults and throwing them out himself like the hypocrite he is. i've made several serious points about the content of the bible. guess you missed those?

          October 4, 2013 at 5:50 pm |
        • Dude

          I have no reason to believe in god or gods. But I am open. If Jesus wants to approach me like he did Saul, I will probably believe. Or if Buddha or Moses or Mohammad. But they haven't. So I don't believe, yet I don't hate others that do.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:51 pm |
        • Dude

          Bootyfunk I'm trying to save you from your "New Atheist" cult you are obviously a member of. You are brainwashed. I have to insult you because there is no other way to get through your brainwashed mind. You are so delusional you think just insisting others believe in imaginary things makes you seem smart. But it doesn't.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:54 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          well, we agree there. if jesus or buddha or moses or mohammad comes to me, i'll believe too. and i don't hate believers. i challenge you to show me where i've said that. i want to help believers, similar to helping someone leave a religious cult. why do you take offense to that? i point out the silliness and cruelty in the bible to show what a farce religion is. what is it bad to show people they are believing in something that doesn't exist? why is it so bad to teach people to rely on their fellow brothers and sisters instead of a non-existent deity? i love my brothers and sisters, even the believers, and want them all to think for themselves.

          you can believe god made the earth 6k years ago and that dinosaurs never existed - but don't ask me to respect such a ludicrous world view.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:57 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          in what way am i brainwashed? you're making silly accusations now.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:58 pm |
        • Gol

          @Dude- many atheists (and religious) on here can be hypocrites when it comes to name calling and insults. Many atheists don't see a problem with insulting a person's faith because they care very little for the person taking the brunt of their lowbrow insults.
          They also tend to develop thin skin rather quickly when they feel personally insulted and will pull out a tired, "you're not being Christian" ploy on the opposition. A pitiful tactic but it happens.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:58 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          "You are so delusional you think just insisting others believe in imaginary things makes you seem smart. But it doesn't."
          +++ you sure love putting words in people's mouths. you are a prime example of an ignorant atheist. please, i challenge you - where have i said any such thing. please quote it.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:59 pm |
        • Dude

          You are so full of sh.t! You are just here because you like to argue and it is easy for you to win arguments. Nobody can prove god to you, so you will always win. Yet you fail to disprove god. You are not here to help people. Look at the evidence: nobody...NOBODY...is asking you for help.
          If you want to help, there are people asking for help. Go help them.

          October 4, 2013 at 6:00 pm |
        • Gol

          @funk- "i want to help believers"

          Help from what? They are not harming you any are they?
          Do you have some hope that the world will be better without religion? There are NO facts to support that faith.
          Heck, if one wants to believe that they need to apply Herbert Spencer's view of the "fittest" to human culture. If the fittest would be a non-religious society, then human history should be dominated by those societies...but it's not. It is quite logical therefor not to try to make a human society become non-religious.

          October 4, 2013 at 6:03 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          You are so full of sh.t! You are just here because you like to argue and it is easy for you to win arguments. Nobody can prove god to you, so you will always win. Yet you fail to disprove god. You are not here to help people. Look at the evidence: nobody...NOBODY...is asking you for help.
          If you want to help, there are people asking for help. Go help them.

          +++ i sincerely doubt you're an atheist. if you are, you definitely don't use your frontal lobe to its fullest capacity. i come here to discuss religion - you come here to cry about people not wearing kiddy gloves when having a discussion. maybe try the sesame street blog. you won't get your feewings huwt there.

          and "nobody...NOBODY...is asking you for" you to cry so much. don't get so offended when someone disagrees with religion, even when sarcasm is used. if there weren't silliness and cruelty in the bible, i wouldn't be able to point it out.

          October 4, 2013 at 6:04 pm |
        • Dude

          I'm doing the same thing to you you do to others, genius. See it really doesn't help.
          I am atheist. I am sick of dolts like you that troll religious boards and ruin any mature discussions about religion and belief.

          October 4, 2013 at 6:08 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          Help from what? They are not harming you any are they?
          +++ help them leave the religious cult and think for themselves.

          Do you have some hope that the world will be better without religion? There are NO facts to support that faith.
          +++ wrong. tons of facts.
          the happiest countries in the world are the least religious.
          atheist divorce rate is lower than christian divorce rate
          atheists go to prison at a much lower rate than christians
          atheists generally have a higher level of education
          the list goes on

          humans are evolving philosophically. people are realizing they don't need god to be a good person.

          October 4, 2013 at 6:09 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          okay dude, in all seriousness - what exactly did i say to offend you so badly? you say i've added nothing constructive to the discussion, but i've made lots of serious points. did you just bypass those? why are you so mad?

          October 4, 2013 at 6:11 pm |
        • Dude

          The claim that you are helping people.

          October 4, 2013 at 6:14 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          i've had several people tell me so.
          were you raised an atheist or did you come to that later in life?
          when i was 15 and having doubts, i wish there had been a blog like this, pointing out the ridiculousness of religion.
          your wrong, i'm helping people realize how silly and cruel religion is.
          you, on the other hand, seem to want to shut down religious discussion because you are afraid of people getting their feelings hurt.

          October 4, 2013 at 6:18 pm |
        • Gol

          Bootyfunk- "help them leave the religious cult and think for themselves."

          You seem to have the incorrect impression that they are not thinking for themselves. Do you think for yourself when a scientist is talking about string theory or the theory of parallel universes? Or do you take a lot of what they tell you on faith that they know better than you do on the topic?

          "the happiest countries in the world are the least religious."

          Incorrect, it's due to them ot having a strong military.

          "atheist divorce rate is lower than christian divorce rate"

          Incorrect in that no defined stats by scientific means have been taken on the topic.

          "atheists go to prison at a much lower rate than christians"

          Stats are not gathered in a scientific method. Like other insti tutions like the military, prisoners are not required to state their religious faith unless they wish to. Therefor, there can be no concise gathering of info.

          "atheists generally have a higher level of education"

          No correlation between higher education and intelligence. Any fool (perhaps you fit that bill) can pay for a higher education.

          "the list goes on"

          I sure it does.

          humans are evolving philosophically. people are realizing they don't need god to be a good person.

          October 4, 2013 at 6:20 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          when it comes to religion, the religious generally don't think for themselves. they believe what they're told. religious people are generally the religion of their parents. once indoctrinated into the cult, it's hard to break free.

          October 4, 2013 at 6:23 pm |
        • Dude

          Bootyfunk

          I've been atheist since I was probably 16. I didn't grow up in an incredibly religious household though, but it seems at that time I started to question religion. I grew up in the Bible Belt, yet didn't feel oppressed by my decision.
          You claim are trying to save people. That is the same thing religious people claim. Both sides should try to help those that want helping.
          This board isn't set up for you to convert people to atheism. It is to discuss the topic of the article. Which there is no evidence of you attempting to do. Did you even read the article?

          October 4, 2013 at 6:27 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          "I've been atheist since I was probably 16. I didn't grow up in an incredibly religious household though, but it seems at that time I started to question religion. I grew up in the Bible Belt, yet didn't feel oppressed by my decision."
          +++ i grew up in a fairly religious household. my mother hardly spoke to me for a few years after i told her i was atheist. my aunt still won't. i've felt the effects of religion, even if you haven't. most atheists have stories of being ostracized after coming out as atheist, even if you don't.

          "You claim are trying to save people. That is the same thing religious people claim. Both sides should try to help those that want helping."
          +++ except my world view is based on reality – religious world views aren't. if your cousin joined a cult, wouldn't you be concerned? that is my concern. all religions are cults. cults teach people to turn off cognitive thinking. that's a bad thing. i promote anyone's right to religion - i'm not telling anyone they can't be religious - i'm telling them they shouldn't because brainwashing is bad. believing g.ays should be put to death because the bible says so is bad. is that so hard to understand? it really doesn't feel like you're trying

          "This board isn't set up for you to convert people to atheism. It is to discuss the topic of the article. Which there is no evidence of you attempting to do. Did you even read the article?"
          +++ no, it's set up to discuss religion. i've quoted several bible passages and made comments about them. YOU are the one that has added NOTHING to the conversation. it feels like you want to be offended.

          October 4, 2013 at 6:37 pm |
        • Dude

          So, your family showed you little respect. Just like you show the religious people on this board little respect today. Now I see where your hostility is coming from.

          October 4, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          and yes, i've read the article. that's why i posted relevant passages about women and g.ays, two issues the pope has recently made comments about. i showed other passages too, but when you ask if i've read the article, it tells me you certainly haven't' read what i've written. at the heart of religious articles is a discussion of religion - which is most of what i've been doing. so i throw in some jokes or sarcasm - so what? stop crying.

          October 4, 2013 at 6:40 pm |
        • Dude

          "all religions are cults."

          That is not true. And my cousin didn't join a cult. But you want me to imagine he did? Ok, I'll believe in your imaginary friend, my cousin... hahaha. Not all religions are dangerous cults that cause all the harm you claim. I've visited churches and didn't come away with your opinion. Sure, some might be dangerous. But most are not.

          October 4, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
        • Dude

          "believing g.ays should be put to death because the bible says so is bad. is that so hard to understand? it really doesn't feel like you're trying"

          I have never met anyone that says that. Do your imaginary friends tell you that?

          October 4, 2013 at 6:45 pm |
        • Dude

          " it feels like you want to be offended."

          Instead of offering a logical and reasonable discussion, you resort to personal attacks.

          October 4, 2013 at 6:46 pm |
        • Gol

          @Bootyfunk- "the religious generally don't think for themselves."

          I disagree. There comes a point in every person's life (sometimes multiple times in their life) that they decide, "this is what I believe". They look for purpose and arrive at a conclusion based on available facts, reason, logic and life experience.

          "once indoctrinated into the cult, it's hard to break free."

          If that is what you believe, then you must believe in the concept of atheist sheep as well.

          October 4, 2013 at 7:39 pm |
      • Bootyfunk

        "Athiests simply arrived at a different way of accepting reality"
        +++ yes, by following facts and logic.

        October 4, 2013 at 5:51 pm |
        • Gol

          Correction, atheists attempt to follow facts and logic.
          But atheists do carry faith with them when facts are lacking or logic fails them. I've known quite a few atheists that put their faith into the priests of their lives....scientists. To be honest, I doubt the majority of atheists understand science anymore than the average American but they put a lot of faith and hope in what scientists tell them.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:54 pm |
        • Dude

          Some use facts and logic to justify their sick and hostile behavior.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:55 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          again, you make false accusations. where is my sick behavior? pointing out that fairy tales are real is evil? grow up.

          October 4, 2013 at 6:00 pm |
        • MIchael

          Even the atheists can't agree!

          October 4, 2013 at 6:03 pm |
        • Gol

          Dude- "Some use facts and logic to justify their sick and hostile behavior."

          Yep...many examples of that plague the 20th century. Usually it's the lack of complete facts and fuller understanding of logic that is the problem.

          @Bootyfunk- "again, you make false accusations. where is my sick behavior?"

          Did I claim you had some kind of "sick behavior"?

          "pointing out that fairy tales are real is evil? grow up."

          I know of no one on here that has said a single fairy tale is real. You are again overexaggerating.
          And I am fully mature..to the point where I don't have to tell someone to grow up. When will you reach that age?

          October 4, 2013 at 6:12 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          "Did I claim you had some kind of "sick behavior"?"
          +++ no, but your ego encourages assumptions. i wasn't talking to you, dummy.

          October 4, 2013 at 6:15 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          belief in god is akin to belief in a sky fairy. they both have the exact same amount of evidence proving their existence - zero.

          October 4, 2013 at 6:16 pm |
        • Gol

          Bootyfunk- ""no, but your ego encourages @ssumptions. i wasn't talking to you, dummy."

          Ah, the highly inaccurate method of guessing. Yes..that is very intelligent of you.

          "belief in god is akin to belief in a sky fairy."

          No.

          "they both have the exact same amount of evidence proving their existence – zero."

          I guess you are not a proponent of personal experience. I am curious, if you think someone hates you...how do you know?

          October 4, 2013 at 6:23 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          i'm not a proponent of proving one's case ONLY with personal experience and not a shred of real evidence.

          October 4, 2013 at 6:25 pm |
        • Just the Facts Ma'am...

          "if you think someone hates you...how do you know?" lol

          First, hate is an opinion so I would never put an opinion in someone elses mouth, so I would only know if they told me they hate me. Now let's apply this to God as you were trying to do. How should I know God exists if he gave me such a valuable thing as an immortal soul and he wants to have a personal relationship with me? Should I dig through old Egyptian scrolls? Should I attempt reading the hundreds of differing translations of ancient nomads writings? Should I find that connection though the Quran? Well, much like the only way to tell if someone hates you, i'll wait till he tells me he exists instead of listening to a bunch of bickering followers who can't even decide on one brand of Christianity and instead have 42,000 denominations because of how clear Gods message is...

          October 4, 2013 at 6:36 pm |
        • Gol

          @Bootyfunk- "i'm not a proponent of proving one's case ONLY with personal experience and not a shred of real evidence."

          I agree. Thankfully for the religious, they also have certain aspects of history, archaeology and philology that lends credence to their beliefs.

          @Just the Facts Ma'am...- "First, hate is an opinion"

          Most atheists would say that religion is an opinion.

          "so I would only know if they told me they hate me."

          Ah, finally...we have a clever one here. You'll forgive me though if I do not think you put these words into action in your life.

          "How should I know God exists if he gave me such a valuable thing as an immortal soul and he wants to have a personal relationship with me?..."i'll wait till he tells me he exists.."

          Many of those that are religious say they have experiences of just that.

          "instead of listening to a bunch of bickering followers.."

          In regards to personal faith, one should never jsut go with the crowd. That applies to most things though.

          October 4, 2013 at 7:48 pm |
  15. Live4Him

    @ME II : What issue?

    I don't know how to make it any more plain. I quote it multiple times, bold it and STILL you ask this question. So, here I go again. How does one recognize compatibility in your opinion?

    October 4, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
    • ME II

      @Live4Him,
      It not a formulaic thing, obviously, what's your point?

      October 4, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
      • ME II

        < It's

        October 4, 2013 at 5:35 pm |
      • Live4Him

        @ME II : It not a formulaic thing, obviously, what's your point?

        If you cannot define compatibility, then you also cannot define incompatibility since it is the inverse. My point is this – the claim of incompatibility is a handy excuse to do the selfish action that the person desires to do.

        October 4, 2013 at 5:38 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          "If you cannot define compatibility, then you also cannot define incompatibility since it is the inverse. My point is this – the claim of incompatibility is a handy excuse to do the selfish action that the person desires to do."

          +++ okay, i'll bite - how do YOU define compatibility and incompatibility?

          October 4, 2013 at 5:40 pm |
        • Live4Him

          @Bootyfunk : how do YOU define compatibility and incompatibility?

          The commitment / integrity to follow through on your word.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:43 pm |
        • ME II

          @Live4Him,
          Ah, you meant define compatibility. What you said was how does one recognize it.

          Here's one:
          "a state in which two things are able to exist or occur together without problems or conflict."

          October 4, 2013 at 5:45 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          seriously, are you just going to say the same thing over and over like a parrot?

          once again, narrow down your question or give an answer yourself so people know what the F you're talking about.

          you're not as witty as you think you are. you really aren't.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:46 pm |
        • Bootyfunk Parrot

          God is an imaginary sky fairy. God is an imaginary sky fairy. BAK! God is an imaginary sky fairy. BAK! BAK!

          October 4, 2013 at 6:10 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      your question is too broad. narrow it down and you might receive an answer. no one has any idea what your getting at. it's hard to tell if you really even have a point...

      October 4, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
      • Live4Him

        If that's too broad for your intelligence to grasp, then why bother responding?

        October 4, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          your ego is without limits.

          you ask a broad question - we ask you to narrow it down or explain what exactly you're looking for, and you think your question is so witty that we just can't understand it? hahaha, how do you get your big head through the doorway.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:44 pm |
        • Live4Him

          @Bootyfunk : we ask you to narrow it down or explain what exactly you're looking for

          I know – you want me to ask the question AND answer it. I've already done so. The issue wasn't difficult.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:46 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          then why keep playing games? yes, since you aren't going to explain your question or narrow it down, you giving your definition would be a good starting place for a real discussion, something you're avoiding.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:52 pm |
      • HotAirAce

        I agree with you, Lie4Him has some answer in mind but chooses to play some game. I suspect she is trying to lead us to something like "years and years of as3xual dating, under the close guidance of your parents, your local shaman and some alleged god will ensure that you make the right decision, provided you also ignore the temptations of satan. . ."

        October 4, 2013 at 5:41 pm |
  16. Topher

    "O give thanks unto the Lord; for He is good; for His mercy endureth for ever."

    I Chronicles 16:34

    October 4, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      ^^ more cult gibberish ^^

      ask the children he drowned in his great flood about god's supposed mercy...

      October 4, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
      • Topher

        Bootyfunk

        "ask the children he drowned in his great flood about god's supposed mercy."

        "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that EVERY imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." Genesis 6:5 (emphasis mine)

        "And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for ALL flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth." Genesis 6:12 (emphasis mine)

        October 4, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          you're justifying infanticide. classy.

          October 4, 2013 at 6:20 pm |
  17. Lionly Lamb

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHBsxfbgrbY&w=640&h=390]

    October 4, 2013 at 5:20 pm |
    • Topher

      Had to do a double-take. I thought the guy on the video was Fred Rogers.

      October 4, 2013 at 5:45 pm |
  18. Live4Him

    @bostontola : incompatible people look for compatibility outside the marriage.

    Why can't people recognize incompatibility BEFORE saying "I Do"? How does one recognize compatibility in your opinion?

    October 4, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
    • ME II

      "Why can't people recognize incompatibility BEFORE saying "I Do"?"

      Because people are not perfect, which makes sense from an evolutionary perspective, but necessitates a self-destructive entrapment from a Biblical perspective.

      October 4, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
      • Live4Him

        @Live4Him : How does one recognize compatibility in your opinion?
        @ME II : Because people are not perfect,

        You side-stepped the issue. Care to try again?

        October 4, 2013 at 5:21 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          consider the possibility that they were compatible when they got married, but when down different paths and are no longer compatible.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
        • Live4Him

          Specifically, MEII answered the rhetorical question rather than the issue being raised.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
        • ME II

          @Live4Him,
          You quoted me out of context, please stop.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
        • Live4Him

          Bootyfunk ALSO answered the rhetorical question rather than the issue being raised.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
        • Live4Him

          @ME II : You quoted me out of context, please stop.

          You side-stepped the issue that I raised. How does one recognize compatibility in your opinion?

          October 4, 2013 at 5:28 pm |
        • ME II

          @Live4Him
          Apparently, it didn't sound rhetorical to us.

          "Care to try again?"

          October 4, 2013 at 5:28 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          "Why can't people recognize incompatibility BEFORE saying "I Do"?"
          +++ you're asking too much. you're asking why people can't see the future.

          +++ consider that when a couple got married, at the time they WERE compatible so there was no incompatibility to be recognized. perhaps that incompatibility came along much later.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
        • ME II

          @Live4Him,
          What issue?

          October 4, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          Lie4Him, Are you suggesting that believers don't have affairs or get divorces?

          October 4, 2013 at 5:47 pm |
  19. Universe

    Quran says (Islamic Scripture)

    “The example of Jesus, as far as GOD is concerned, is the same as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be," and he was.” Quran [3:59]

    It does not befit God that He begets a son, be He glorified. To have anything done, He simply says to it, "Be," and it is. [19:35]

    “No soul can carry the sins of another soul. If a soul that is loaded with sins implores another to bear part of its load, no other soul can carry any part of it, even if they were related. ... [35:18]

    “They even attribute to Him sons and daughters, without any knowledge. Be He glorified. He is the Most High, far above their claims.” Quran [6:100]

    “Recall that your Lord said to the angels, "I am placing a representative on Earth." They said, "Will You place therein one who will spread evil therein and shed blood, while we sing Your praises, glorify You, and uphold Your absolute authority?" He said, "I know what you do not know." [2:30]

    “They say , "We live only this life; we will not be resurrected. If you could only see them when they stand before their Lord! He would say, "Is this not the truth?" They would say, "Yes, by our Lord." He would say, "You have incurred the retribution by your disbelief." [6:30]

    “We have honored the children of Adam, and provided them with rides on land and in the sea. We provided for them good provisions, and we gave them greater advantages than many of our creatures.” Quran [17:70]

    “O children of Adam, when messengers come to you from among you, and recite My revelations to you, those who take heed and lead a righteous life, will have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.” Quran [7:35]

    “O children of Adam, do not let the devil dupe you as he did when he caused the eviction of your parents from Paradise, and the removal of their garments to expose their bodies. He and his tribe see you, while you do not see them. We appoint the devils as companions of those who do not believe.” Quran [7:27]

    “Losers indeed are those who disbelieve in meeting God, until the Hour comes to them suddenly, then say, "We deeply regret wasting our lives in this world." They will carry loads of their sins on their backs; what a miserable load! [6:31]

    Thanks for taking time to read my post. Please take a moment to visit whyIslam org website.

    October 4, 2013 at 5:10 pm |
    • Live4Him

      You post this in spite of the fact that the so-called 'all-knowing Allah' didn't know the true member of the trinity. Sad.

      October 4, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
      • Bootyfunk

        my invisible sky fairy can beat up your invisible sky fairy!

        lol.

        October 4, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
        • Gol

          You're the only idiot that has yet to claim to have a sky fairy. Aren't you just special.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:21 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          what yours named?

          October 4, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
        • Truth

          God is not an imaginary sky fairy. That is made up by Atheists.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          God didn't exist until man thought him up.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:35 pm |
        • HotAirAce

          Believers claim that gods exist. Believers have not proven any gods exist. Calling your imaginary friends sky fairies is not inconsistent with the facts.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
        • Truth

          You are a figment of God's imagination.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:40 pm |
        • Gol

          @da Funky one- I have none. That stil just leaves you with one you special little guy.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:41 pm |
        • Just the Facts Ma'am...

          I have billions of invisible sky fairys and they are all just as powerful as the Hebrew God. They all can listen to me telepathically and help me in times of need, though i'm never sure exactly what they will give me because it is their will not mine that get's done...

          Please prove that I do not...

          October 4, 2013 at 6:56 pm |
      • ME II

        @Live4Him,
        Oh please. Have you studied the Koran in the original Arabic? Do you truly understand the context? etc. etc.

        October 4, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
        • Live4Him

          @ME II : Have you studied the Koran in the original Arabic? Do you truly understand the context?

          Nope, I don't know Arabic. However, I have studied this issue and Muslim scholars have been trying to satisfactorily answer this for years. So, what's your point?

          October 4, 2013 at 5:20 pm |
        • ME II

          My point is simply that you fail to abide by that which you wish others to do when making claims about the Bible.
          No, that's not an argument against your claim, but turnabout is supposedly fair play.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
        • Live4Him

          @ME II : My point is simply that you fail to abide by that which you wish others to do when making claims about the Bible.

          However, Muslim and Christian scholars acknowledge this issue. The issues you advance are not.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
        • ME II

          Really, citation please.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
        • ME II

          @Live4Him,
          "The issues you advance are not."

          Which issue in particular are you referring to?

          October 4, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
      • Live4Him

        @Bootyfunk : my invisible sky fairy can beat up your invisible sky fairy!

        I'm sure you think so.

        October 4, 2013 at 5:18 pm |
      • Mary

        He said this according to HIS book, which you are too narrow-minded to accept. You, Live4Him, are a religious bigot. Sad.

        October 4, 2013 at 6:24 pm |
    • Chris

      I notice that you left out the verse from the Koran about Jesus being the very soul of God. Muhammed had a fixation on Mary and for that matter on little girls, one of whom he married.

      October 4, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
  20. acrabahyiouspe

    Coming from a former Catholic, one of the few things I respected about the Catholic church was that they were a stable voice for the truth. Yes, when they make a mistake it takes them centuries to correct, if ever, because they misguidedly think they are infallible. But they wouldn't compromise with sin until now.

    If the majority of American Catholics want to redefine marriage, then the solution is not for the Catholic church to accept this wrong teaching. The solution is for the Catholic church to educate their people with Biblical truth.

    Even worse, they are compromising with the slaughter of over a million children every year via abortion. These are children who can't speak for themselves, and the Catholic church won't do it either anymore.

    What's left to respect? They're still leaders in charity. But other than that, they've become a den of sin – even their priests molest children, and they fell away from the teaching of Jesus and his apostles long ago, worshiping saints and images instead of the One to be worshiped and adored.

    I know some atheist nuts will comment on this, but my post is intended for a Christian audience.

    October 4, 2013 at 4:56 pm |
    • ME II

      "Yes, when they make a mistake it takes them centuries to correct, if ever, because they misguidedly think they are infallible.
      ...
      If the majority of American Catholics want to redefine marriage, then the solution is not for the Catholic church to accept this wrong teaching. The solution is for the Catholic church to educate their people with Biblical truth."

      Perhaps they are just, after centuries of being wrong, finally correct that mistake.

      October 4, 2013 at 5:01 pm |
      • Live4Him

        @ME II : Perhaps they are just, after centuries of being wrong, finally correct that mistake.

        The Church doesn't define the standard on this, given that the Bible takes a clear position on the gay issue.

        October 4, 2013 at 5:03 pm |
        • ME II

          The Bible takes a clear position on slavery and other things too, but Christians can work around that, i.e. if they don't like it or it doesn't make sense, then obviously it was meant metaphorically.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
        • Live4Him

          @ME II : The Bible takes a clear position on slavery

          And what is that position? You don't know because you don't read the Bible.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:14 pm |
        • ME II

          "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ." (Ephesians 6:5)

          "Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord." (Colossians 3:22)

          Seems pretty clear to me.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          Live4Him wrote:
          @ME II : The Bible takes a clear position on slavery
          And what is that position? You don't know because you don't read the Bible.

          +++ the bible promotes slavery throughout. the bible gives rules on how to beat your slaves, sell your slaves (even specifically your own daughter), what countries to take slaves from and more. jesus himself said to beat disobedient slaves "with many stripes."

          the bible is a disgusting book.

          October 4, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
    • Live4Him

      I think that the Pope may be too concerned with the "political mission", but it could be he is just trying to redirect the conversation without changing the Church's stance. I'm still waiting before I decide which he is doing.

      October 4, 2013 at 5:01 pm |
      • tallulah13

        Oh, and here I was thinking he was following Christ's example by not judging.

        October 4, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Boy, is Billy D going to be PO'd! But he might be a coward and not tangle with a fellow delusional in public. . .

      October 4, 2013 at 5:06 pm |
    • MIchael

      The original text of the Bible doesn't condemn gay people.

      Stop using God as your excuse to be a bigot.

      October 4, 2013 at 5:52 pm |
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