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October 7th, 2013
12:31 PM ET

Scalia says atheism 'favors the devil's desires'

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-editor

(CNN) - As the Supreme Court begins its new term Monday, the devil is not on the docket - but the Evil One apparently is on the mind of Justice Antonin Scalia.

New York magazine has published a fascinating new interview with Scalia in which the outspoken jurist tackled a number of topics. But none seemed to surprise Scalia's interviewer, Jennifer Senior, more than his views on Satan.

The interview was conducted on September 26, the 27th anniversary of Scalia's swearing-in as a justice on the high court. He is one of a record six Catholic justices on the Supreme Court.

After Scalia and Senior discussed heaven and hell (he believes in them; she doesn't), the justice said in a stage whisper, "I even believe in the devil."

"You do?" Senior replied.

"Of course! Yeah, he’s a real person. Hey, come on, that’s standard Catholic doctrine! Every Catholic believes that," Scalia said.

Senior asked Scalia if he's seen evidence of Satan's work recently.

"You know, it is curious," Scalia answered. "In the Gospels, the devil is doing all sorts of things. He’s making pigs run off cliffs, he’s possessing people and whatnot. And that doesn’t happen very much anymore. ... It’s because he’s smart."

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Scalia said the Devil has gotten "wilier" and convinced people that he and God don't exist. The justice added that he doesn't think that atheists are Satan's minions, but that disbelief in God "certainly favors the devil's desires."

Senior asked if it's "frightening" to believe in the devil, which seemed to annoy Scalia.

"You’re looking at me as though I’m weird," he answered. "My God! Are you so out of touch with most of America, most of which believes in the devil? I mean, Jesus Christ believed in the devil! It’s in the Gospels! You travel in circles that are so, so removed from mainstream America that you are appalled that anybody would believe in the devil! Most of mankind has believed in the devil, for all of history. Many more intelligent people than you or me have believed in the devil."

Scalia, whose son, Paul, is a Catholic priest in Arlington, Virginia, also said Pope Francis is "absolutely" right about the church needing to concentrate more on mercy and outreach than on fighting the culture wars.

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"But he hasn’t backed off the view of the church on those issues," Scalia said. "He’s just saying, 'Don’t spend all our time talking about that stuff. Talk about Jesus Christ and evangelize.' I think there’s no indication whatever that he’s changing doctrinally."

Finally, Scalia said he has not "softened" his views on homosexuality.

"I still think it’s Catholic teaching that it’s wrong. OK? But I don’t hate the people that engage in it. In my legal opinions, all I’ve said is that I don’t think the Constitution requires the people to adopt one view or the other," Scalia said.

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- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Atheism • Belief • Catholic Church • Courts • Culture wars • Devil • Pope Francis

soundoff (3,730 Responses)
  1. Vince Ryder

    I think the justice can believe whatever he wants (and I hope he votes/rules similarly in his professional conduct).

    However, just so the rest of us understand the degree of his belief in mysticism, perhaps Justice Scalia could specify exactly what he thinks the Devil is (beyond "a real person"), where this "real person" stays when not attending Supreme Court deliberations, and what political party the Devil favors. I just want to help folks understand such an important issue. Thanks.

    October 7, 2013 at 10:55 pm |
    • Lee

      Especially since, for every one of those murderers who killed somebody because "the devil told me to" or "god told me to", it was very real for them but the rest of the world knows his schizophrenia took a turn for the worst. Yet because nobody dies in this scenario its suddenly more true. That's what I don't get. Not knocking anything but some fluidity and consistency between the two is what I need is what I'm saying and the scientific approach has way more of that than the religious one.

      October 7, 2013 at 11:21 pm |
  2. Infidel-!

    I shutter at the thought of this fool like this holding such a position of power.
    Proof one again that religion can make otherwise intelligent and sane people believe absurdities.

    October 7, 2013 at 10:52 pm |
    • Bob

      Just because Scalia cites that "Most" people in the US believe in the Satan doesn't make it so. Using this sort of logic on the bench is why this country is going over a cliff. It is the same logic that makes for decisions like Dredd Scott and more recently Citizens United. You can have the faith of educated idiots like Scalia to guide you when you try to jump off the empire state building expecting god to save you. GRAVITY will prove you wrong because you need science to guide you in the important matters govering our lives. Not Religion!

      October 7, 2013 at 11:03 pm |
    • fyi

      * It's shudder, not shutter.

      October 7, 2013 at 11:09 pm |
  3. Dissident-Wolverine

    Justice Antonin Scalia is a NUT CASE and should be removed from the bench.
    Period !!!!

    October 7, 2013 at 10:52 pm |
  4. JC

    I think believing in nonsense should be grounds enough for firing a supreme court judge.

    October 7, 2013 at 10:51 pm |
  5. cblogz

    Insane in the membrane.

    October 7, 2013 at 10:50 pm |
  6. Hooligan

    LOLOLOLOLOL

    WHUT??

    October 7, 2013 at 10:47 pm |
  7. Blessed are the Cheesemakers

    "You know, it is curious," Scalia answered. "In the Gospels, the devil is doing all sorts of things. He’s making pigs run off cliffs, he’s possessing people and whatnot. And that doesn’t happen very much anymore. ... It’s because he’s smart."

    It is not because these stories come from superti.tious iron age goat herders...nope, it is because the devil is smart and doesn't want come out of the closet anymore. This from a member of the highest court in the land. Oh my. Maybe he should sacrifice a chicken or something.

    October 7, 2013 at 10:43 pm |
    • ooo

      Yes, It's a truely amazing way of thinking for someone who made it to SCOTUS.

      Next he'll decide if we are witches based on whether we sink or float. 😦

      October 7, 2013 at 10:47 pm |
    • Trucker

      If you believe God doesn't exist, does all your effort to convince people to believe like you really matter? After you and I die, nothing happens. Science says the sun is going to engulf the Earth in a billion years. It's all going to end for everyone one way or another. Why such passion? You may say, "it matters now." But that begs the question,does it matter tomorrow? Yet, if you believe in God, then everything really does matter, in this life and the after life!

      October 7, 2013 at 10:52 pm |
      • ooo

        Then you don't care about the truth, only what makes you feel better. I have passion for the truth. All the science I learned growing up was part of that passion, and I do use it now and it works!

        And I care about my children, their children and the world we are leaving behind. How about you? Do you only care because it will get you to heaven?

        October 7, 2013 at 11:02 pm |
        • Pseudotriton

          well said!

          October 7, 2013 at 11:26 pm |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        Yes it does matter, beliefs inform peoples actions. In this case Scalia's beliefs can have a direct effect on millions if not billions of people. You seem to argue religious belief goes no further in its effect than on the believer him/her self. That just isn't the case. Accepted belief in the devil has directly afffected me and is part of the reason I do think discussion of religion is important. As far as whither it will matter come tomorrow, do you have children? I do.

        October 7, 2013 at 11:03 pm |
      • Pseudotriton

        I find it bizarre that some people would lose motivation if they realize that life is not more than what's in front of them. If the process of life itself exciting enough for you, you must have a really boring one. And like ooo said, realizing about the truth is what gives us passion. I just can't find it in my heart to trust anyone who's only living life for some supposed ulterior motive of an "afterlife".

        October 7, 2013 at 11:33 pm |
  8. marie

    Thank you Justice Scalia...for attempting to enlighten anyone who hears/reads your words.

    October 7, 2013 at 10:39 pm |
    • Pseudotriton

      enlightening... yeah, to anyone lived in the 12th century

      October 7, 2013 at 10:41 pm |
      • Bob

        You couldn't have used a more simple reference to make your point. This is exactly why and how the church and other controlling organizations managed to get away with their BS for so long over the course of history. It is the same mentality that is still trying to keep people ignorant all over the world. It is the same mentality that has continued to try and keep woman prisoners of men in countries like afghanistan. Fortunately, fools like Scalia will go the way of santa clause and the tooth fairy. Relegated to the private sanctuary of the twilight zone, where Scalia and company find out that they were actually the spawn of satan give a few years of life to see if they could get it right, unfortunately we see the results of this experiment. If there is a good reason to limit time on the supreme court for future employees, Scalia has given us a reason to advance the argument. Nobody should be allowed to be on full display to show how stupid they are in the realm of public service for as long as this fool has been on the bench!

        October 7, 2013 at 11:12 pm |
        • Pseudotriton

          I sure hope what you said about Scalia going the way of Santa Claus is true. Unfortunately, I worry that he's correct in that his thinking conforms to those of most Americans right now. Old habits die hard. After all, many American parents still tell their kids with a straight face that Santa Claus is real, and they have to find out for themselves after they get older.

          October 7, 2013 at 11:18 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Yes, thank you Judge Scalia, for showing just exactly how absurd it is for rational adults to believe in the myths of christianity.

      October 7, 2013 at 10:53 pm |
  9. cee-man

    If you heard a guy on a bar stool in a dive spouting this drivel, you'd get away from him as fast as possible.

    But this guy is on the SCOTUS. For life. And if he informs his legal decisions based on his beliefs in the devil, then we're truly f--d.

    This is not analytical thinking. It's voodoo thinking. And one more argument for term limits on the SCOTUS.

    October 7, 2013 at 10:34 pm |
  10. Plucky

    He believes in the devil! OMFG

    October 7, 2013 at 10:34 pm |
  11. Trucker

    Can you disprove an immaterial God using material measurements? Science is only one form of knowledge. It is simply the measurement of material objects interacting with material objects. It will forever be an incomplete form of knowledge. Heisenberg's Principle of Uncertainty proves this. Also, the scientific method itself is built on the limitations of experiments. You cannot have an infinite number of experiments, therefore scientific knowledge can never cross the threshold of absolute knowledge. I love science and think its great. But science will never be able to accurately measure that love.

    October 7, 2013 at 10:30 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      One can ignore an imaginary god. Works rather well.

      October 7, 2013 at 10:32 pm |
    • AE

      I'm glad that I belong to a church that supports and encourages science.

      October 7, 2013 at 10:37 pm |
    • ooo

      You can make up as many "forms" of knowledge as you like. The only one you'll convince is yourself. The rest of us will just look at you kind of funny-like.

      October 7, 2013 at 10:38 pm |
      • Trucker

        Read a little philosophy. The forms of knowledge include logic, semantic, systemic and empirical. Science is empirical.

        October 7, 2013 at 10:47 pm |
        • Tom, Tom, the Other One

          Knowledge requires belief and justification, or something like justification. Most of all, it requires that the thing you say you know is true.

          October 7, 2013 at 10:53 pm |
        • ooo

          Which one of these forms do you use to conclude that Satan pushes pigs off cliffs?

          October 7, 2013 at 10:57 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Can you show that something immaterial can have a phyical effect on the universe with out a material agent? Love is an emotion tha exists only through an agent (humans). If you want to believe that god only exists within the mind of man, like love, I would have to agree with you.

      October 7, 2013 at 10:54 pm |
      • Trucker

        Science cannot measure humility, justice, goodness, evil, beauty, truth, charity, courage. These deal with moral principles. And yet these ideas move people into action. These principles have a profound effect on everything around us.

        October 7, 2013 at 11:01 pm |
        • ooo

          Yes,
          And usually they are based on a rational view of the world.

          October 7, 2013 at 11:03 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          Reading comprehension is not your strong point. Yes, humility, justice, goodness, evil, beauty, truth, charity, courage are all concepts that do not exist outside of a humand agent. Are you arguing your god is just a human concept that does not exist outside of the mind of man?

          October 7, 2013 at 11:12 pm |
        • HotAirAce

          All of those qualities might provide motivation but none of them directly can have a physical effect.

          October 7, 2013 at 11:16 pm |
        • Pseudotriton

          Science can measure most of those. It's called psychology, or behavioral biology for non-human animals.

          October 7, 2013 at 11:24 pm |
        • Pseudotriton

          Stop thinking of science with your limited understanding in it.

          October 7, 2013 at 11:25 pm |
    • tallulah13

      It's actually quite easy to dismiss something that has been taught for 2000 years without even an ounce of supporting proof. It's called being a rational adult. You should give it a go.

      October 7, 2013 at 10:54 pm |
  12. Justin Dunbar

    ....someone get this idiot off of my Court...

    October 7, 2013 at 10:27 pm |
  13. John C

    Separation of church and state. Why not?

    October 7, 2013 at 10:25 pm |
    • theorycraft

      I don't think that means people who have a faith cannot work in government...

      October 7, 2013 at 10:39 pm |
      • tallulah13

        If a person in a position of direct power in our government allows his decisions to be tainted by his personal religious beliefs, then he should be removed from that position. His freedom of religion ends where the next person's freedom begins.

        October 7, 2013 at 10:57 pm |
      • Pseudotriton

        but it definitely means those people cannot bring their faith into their gov't work

        October 7, 2013 at 11:12 pm |
  14. Rjsenterp

    A very learned and honest man whom I admire. It's a breath of fresh air to have him on the Supreme Court.

    October 7, 2013 at 10:25 pm |
    • Pseudotriton

      Scalia is anything but "fresh". He's been sitting on the bench farting dust for years.

      October 7, 2013 at 10:27 pm |
    • marie

      Thank you Rjsenterp! Well said.

      October 7, 2013 at 10:34 pm |
    • ooo

      Would you feel the same if he converted to a devout Muslim tomorrow?

      October 7, 2013 at 10:40 pm |
    • Trucker

      A lot smarter than me. Very true

      October 7, 2013 at 10:48 pm |
    • tallulah13

      No wonder the rest of the developed world laughs at us. I grew up during the Apollo missions. I cut my teeth on lunar landings and was in awe of the amazing potential we had for the future. I never imagined that this once-great nation would be dragged down by outdated superstition and bronze age religion. It breaks my heart.

      October 7, 2013 at 11:01 pm |
      • Bob

        I agree that it is tragic but just like the dark ages what followed was an age of enlightenment which blossomed into the renaissance. In other words, we crawl and then we walk. We develop in the womb of ignorance and learn and thrive in the real world and eventually through the collection of information and experience we evolve to transcend our earlier primitive selves and so it goes and men like Scalia will go out with it. How can we not rejoice that while we don't have term limits on the bench, at least we do in life? Well expressed Tallulah 13 keep on commenting.

        October 7, 2013 at 11:34 pm |
  15. Keyser Söze

    The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. How can you ever hope to beat an enemy you believe isn't there?

    October 7, 2013 at 10:22 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Or one that isn't there.

      October 7, 2013 at 10:24 pm |
    • S-3B Viking

      Ahhh...it would seem the Justice has stayed up well past his bedtime reading The Screwtape Letters too many times.

      Proof that one such as Antonin can have a brilliant mind in some areas and be patently stupid in others.

      I applaud those atheists that say they don't care about one's beliefs until that one is in a position of real power...the Scali-wag is one such dangerous human being...far more dangerous than Uncle Screwtape, Wormwood, and their Father Below.

      October 7, 2013 at 10:39 pm |
    • Hooligan

      The greatest lie the church ever told was that the devil played the greatest trick.

      October 7, 2013 at 10:54 pm |
    • tallulah13

      There is no evidence to support the existence of any devil. Keyzer Soze was a character in a fictional movie.

      October 7, 2013 at 11:02 pm |
      • hiruu

        The devil is in the hearts of men...

        October 7, 2013 at 11:04 pm |
        • tallulah13

          Prove it.

          October 7, 2013 at 11:05 pm |
        • Tom, Tom, the Other One

          I'm sure it is not, hiruu. I know that it is in the details.

          October 7, 2013 at 11:08 pm |
        • S-3B Viking

          Where, hiruu...is he in the ventricles or the atria?

          October 7, 2013 at 11:19 pm |
      • hiruu

        point being that the devil is only there because d murdie put it there

        October 7, 2013 at 11:21 pm |
  16. Orb4

    Satan's progeny is called Scalia! This Turd Blossom is the absolute best example I know for the rule that it is not necessary understand things in order to argue about them – in fact it's called Scalia's Rule!

    October 7, 2013 at 10:15 pm |
    • Penn7277

      Mr. Scalia, if anyone is Satan it is you. Perhaps you should go home and look in the mirror. I wouldn't be at all surprised if staring back at you you will see red, a long tali wriggling behind you and horns.

      October 7, 2013 at 10:22 pm |
  17. leggs67

    The man's delusional.

    October 7, 2013 at 10:14 pm |
  18. Pseudotriton

    D@fuq? He believes in fairy tale mumbo-jumbos with a straight face, and yet others are the ones out of touch? SMH.

    And the sad thing is that he's right about he's with the majority of Americans on this. To think that some would claim the US to be a secular country. Just look at the wackos in power like this one, or the fact that no one outside the Judeo-Christian religion can hold offices of any sort in the country.

    October 7, 2013 at 10:09 pm |
    • mickey1313

      Agreed. It is funny how hypocritical most thiests are in that regard. They can say with a straight face that the earth is 6000 years old, and then theink you are nuts when you ask where the proof is. They are all mad, bonkers, loco, stupid.

      October 7, 2013 at 10:22 pm |
  19. devin

    Glad to see the atheist crowd out in full force. You know them, the 2% of the world population that acts as if the other 98% are the delusional minority. Always good for a laugh.

    October 7, 2013 at 10:07 pm |
    • Observer

      devin,

      Yep. That's the 2% who don't believe a book that claims that unicorns, talking non-humans, and dragons are real.

      October 7, 2013 at 10:09 pm |
      • Elliott Carlin

        the 2% that says humans and society define morality, yet head for the hills and won't defend C. Dick Dawkin's comments on pedophilia or Lawrence Krauss' thoughts on incest.

        Funny stuff. And you worry about the Old Testament. LOL

        October 7, 2013 at 10:15 pm |
        • Observer

          Elliott,

          Humans and society DO define morality. That's why you likely don't agree with Biblical morality that supports slavery and discrimination against women and the handicapped.

          You keep bringing up writings that very FEW agnostics and atheists have ever heard of and couldn't care less about. Please try to discuss relevent topics.

          October 7, 2013 at 10:19 pm |
      • devin

        : " In the beginning God created the heavens and earth." If you take this statement as factual, that there is a God, and he has created this universe ( ex nihilo), then obviously he could choose to do whatever he wishes with his creatures. The fact that you don't take this statement as factual results in your rationalistic difficulties.

        October 7, 2013 at 10:18 pm |
        • Observer

          devin

          When you believe a book that says that unicorns, talking non-humans and dragons are real, it is YOU who has "rationalistic difficulties"

          October 7, 2013 at 10:39 pm |
        • devin

          Observer,

          Please tell me why that is.

          October 7, 2013 at 10:43 pm |
        • Observer

          devin,

          Please offer your PROOF that unicorns, talking non-humans and dragons existed. Tell us where skeletons were found, for instance.

          October 7, 2013 at 10:45 pm |
        • devin

          You conveniently alluded my question.

          October 7, 2013 at 10:47 pm |
        • Observer

          devin,

          I don't "allude" questions. If you look at your statements you will find that there isn't ONE question mark.

          What was your question?

          October 7, 2013 at 10:50 pm |
        • devin

          " Please tell me why that is." It's a very simple statement.

          October 7, 2013 at 10:54 pm |
        • Observer

          devin

          " Please tell me why that is." It's a very simple statement."

          Yes, It is a STATEMENT. What is your QUESTION? Tell you why WHAT is?

          October 7, 2013 at 10:57 pm |
        • devin

          Observer

          I believe I've bantered with you in the past, and found you capable of moments of lucid thought and comprehension. Go back, look through our comments, and then get back to me.

          October 7, 2013 at 11:00 pm |
        • Observer

          devin,

          Why all the stalling? Just don't want to be embarassed try to rationalize unicorns and dragons?

          Your problem seems to be that you are unaware of the difference between a STATEMENT and a QUESTION. A basic English class might help.

          This is the LAST time I'll play your stalling game.

          What is your QUESTION? "Please phrase your answer in the form of a question" – Alex Trebek. Last chance.

          October 7, 2013 at 11:06 pm |
        • devin

          Observer

          Sorry, not gonna bite. I waste enough time when I get on these blogs, let alone to dribble it away on silly games of grammar and syntax. Til next time.

          October 7, 2013 at 11:12 pm |
        • Observer

          devin,

          I knew you were stalling and expected you would run away. You didn't fool anyone.

          You're not worth engaging in your pathetic games. Come back when you are capable of formulating questions. Try an English 101 class before then.

          October 7, 2013 at 11:17 pm |
      • HotAirAce

        What was so outrageous about what Dawkins and Krauss said? Don't forget to keep their comments in context and to use everything they said, not just the snippets provided by believer websites.

        October 7, 2013 at 10:26 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      This from the character that throws out crap yet hasn't answered a single question yet.

      If you can't provide support for your claims, you are just another mentally ill delusional or a liar. I'm going with both.

      October 7, 2013 at 10:11 pm |
    • Pseudotriton

      Just because you might be the majority does not mean you're not delusional. Just like there was a time owning slaves was a common practice by most rich white people in America, but that does not automatically make it an ethical practice.

      October 7, 2013 at 10:14 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      It's an opportunity. With 98% of the world delusional, the future belongs to the 2%.

      October 7, 2013 at 10:15 pm |
    • protinga

      Only 2% officially, but 20% spurn all organized religion and their number is growing. Highly doubtful that 2% is the number for the world, given China's largely atheistic population. The march of science continues, and hard faith diminishes, and this is a good thing.

      October 7, 2013 at 10:19 pm |
      • devin

        Spurning religion and atheism are two different animals. Entirely.

        October 7, 2013 at 10:26 pm |
    • Cedar Rapids

      You speak as if the 98% all believe in the same god.

      October 7, 2013 at 10:21 pm |
      • devin

        Please tell me where I speak of that or even allude to it?

        October 7, 2013 at 10:24 pm |
        • Cedar Rapids

          Easy, it's the part where you say....... You know them, the 2% of the world population that acts as if the other 98% are the delusional minority.
          The only way to try to claim that some how the 98% carries any weight is to suggest they are one group.

          October 7, 2013 at 10:33 pm |
        • devin

          Cedar,

          "One group" in that they all believe in "A" God. Now do you understand?

          October 7, 2013 at 10:38 pm |
        • Cedar Rapids

          But by the nature of their beliefs a large number must be wrong so yes they are deluded.
          Now do YOU understand?

          October 7, 2013 at 10:51 pm |
        • devin

          Cedar

          I don't know how to make this any more simplistic: 98% of the worlds population believe in "A" God. 2 % of the population does not.

          This is not rocket science.

          October 7, 2013 at 10:57 pm |
        • Cedar Rapids

          And I honestly don't know how to make it any clearer to you.
          The 98% argument carries no weight unless that group believes the same thing........and they don't. Believing in a god means nothing if they believe in different gods. They have different ideas and beliefs so we know that some have to be wrong by default. You are right in that it isn't rocket science.

          October 7, 2013 at 11:08 pm |
        • devin

          Cedar

          I tried. Really, I did.

          October 7, 2013 at 11:15 pm |
        • Cedar Rapids

          As did I.

          October 7, 2013 at 11:19 pm |
    • mickey1313

      Even if that were true, which its not, its much closer to 40%, it would not matter, beause 99% of the world is f-ing dumb, so 2% would still be plenity. But if you think that 98% of the world thinks there is a god, you are insaine.

      October 7, 2013 at 10:25 pm |
      • devin

        " 99% of the world is f***ing dumb." That speaks volumes to your own mentality and inability to think rationally.

        October 7, 2013 at 10:32 pm |
        • Pseudotriton

          Is it that hard for you to swallow the truth? Well, I guess it is if you one of the dumb ones.

          October 7, 2013 at 10:39 pm |
        • devin

          " if you one of the dumb ones." Priceless.

          October 7, 2013 at 10:45 pm |
    • marie

      Excellent point, Devin.

      October 7, 2013 at 10:32 pm |
      • devin

        Thank you marie, although for the most part it falls on deaf ears.

        October 7, 2013 at 10:35 pm |
        • Tom, Tom, the Other One

          I heard you, devin. But its true that virtually everyone has been wrong at times. Just as you and however many people agree with you are most probably wrong now.

          October 7, 2013 at 10:43 pm |
        • devin

          I know you heard me, it was a figure of speech. I would concur in that I have been wrong on more occasions than I care to remember, but that is irrelevant to the reality of a creator.

          October 7, 2013 at 10:51 pm |
  20. Julia

    I just love it when people go on about their religiosity while being rude and condescending at the same time. This man is supposed to be one of wisest of the land? Something's wrong.

    October 7, 2013 at 10:03 pm |
    • devin

      "Something's wrong". Why, because he believes in a realm outside of our own and you don't. Please provide some evidence by which we can all determine such a realm does not exist. I'll wait.

      October 7, 2013 at 10:10 pm |
      • Mike

        Actually, can you provide any actual evidence that your mythical realm DOES in fact exist? And is any more real that the OTHER mythical realms that other people believe in? Take your time. We'll wait.

        October 7, 2013 at 10:15 pm |
        • devin

          And yet, still unanswered.

          October 7, 2013 at 10:23 pm |
        • marie

          Mike,
          Can you prove that someone loves you? Really think about it...can you provide evidence of love?
          No.
          We cannot prove that God exists...God is love.

          October 7, 2013 at 10:37 pm |
      • Pseudotriton

        When you claim that something exists, the burden of proof is on YOU to supply the evidence of its existence. It's not the other side's duty to prove that your crazy idea does not exist.

        October 7, 2013 at 10:17 pm |
        • devin

          And yet, still unanswered.

          October 7, 2013 at 10:22 pm |
      • Ben

        Could you prove to me you're not an idiot? I'm waiting. How about that there are invisible green eggs in your brain? Mermaids? Dragons? I'm waiting.

        October 7, 2013 at 10:18 pm |
        • devin

          And yet, still unanswered.

          October 7, 2013 at 10:22 pm |
        • Ben

          Devin, you argue like a child, so your premise is that invisible green eggs exists, and unless I could prove to you that the unprovable exists then their existence has not been disproven. You should take a logic class and see how that holds up for me, in fact you should go ask a philosophy professor and see if he could answer that for you.

          October 7, 2013 at 10:33 pm |
        • devin

          Can you even begin to understand the irony in your statement, " you argue like a child" in light of the language you used in your initial response? I'm guessing not.

          October 7, 2013 at 10:41 pm |
        • Ben

          The irony in my first statement has nothing to do with the crux of my point. Your avoidance of the subject and personal attacks are evidence for your incoherent argument. I'm still waiting for you to address my points.

          October 7, 2013 at 10:57 pm |
        • devin

          You do realize it was me who initially asked a question to which no one has answered, including yourself? Please tell me you understand this?

          October 7, 2013 at 11:07 pm |
        • Ben

          Like I said, it's like arguing with a child, no point in it.

          October 7, 2013 at 11:10 pm |
        • devin

          I guess on some level that makes you feel better.

          October 7, 2013 at 11:18 pm |
      • Pseudotriton

        yes, devin, we are all waiting for your answer of the proof of your "other realm", yet you have provided none at all so far.

        October 7, 2013 at 10:26 pm |
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