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October 9th, 2013
02:27 PM ET

Creationists taunt atheists in latest billboard war

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN)– A new video billboard in New York's Times Square has a message from creationists, "To all of our atheist friends: Thank God you're wrong."

The video advertisement at 42nd Street and Eighth Avenue in Manhattan is one of several billboards going up this week in New York, San Francisco and Los Angeles, paid for by Answers in Genesis.

Answers in Genesis is best known as the multimillion-dollar Christian ministry behind the Creation Museum outside Cincinnati.

The museum presents the case for Young Earth creationism, following what it says is a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis, which says the Earth was created by God in six days less than 10,000 years ago.

Ken Ham, president of Answers in Genesis, said the idea for the advertisements came from an atheist billboard in Times Square at Christmas.

During the holidays, the American Atheists put up a billboard with images of Santa Claus and Jesus that read: "Keep the Merry, dump the myth."

“The Bible says to contend for the faith,” Ham said. “We thought we should come up with something that would make a statement in the culture, a bold statement, and direct them to our website.

"We're not against them personally. We're not trying to attack them personally, but we do believe they're wrong," he said.

"From an atheist's perspective, they believe when they die, they cease to exist. And we say 'no, you're not going to cease to exist; you're going to spend eternity with God or without God. And if you're an atheist, you're going to be spending it without God.' "

Dave Silverman, president of the American Atheists, said he felt sad for creationists when he saw the billboards.

"They refuse to look at the real world. They refuse to look at the evidence we have, and they offer none," Silverman said. "They might as well be saying, 'Thank Zeus you're wrong' or 'Thank Thor you're wrong.' "

Silverman said he welcomed another competitor to marketplace, noting that after atheists bought a billboard two years ago in Times Square that read "You KNOW it's a myth," the Catholic League purchased competing space at the entrance to the Lincoln Tunnel for a sign that read "You KNOW it's true."

"I would suggest, if they're actually trying to attract atheists, they should talk about proof and reason to believe in their god, not just some pithy play on words," Silverman said.

Ham says part of the goal of the campaign is to draw people to the website for Answers in Genesis, where he offers a lengthy post on his beliefs for the proof of God.

Ham insists that this campaign is in keeping with their overall mission. "We're a biblical authority ministry. We're really on about the Bible and the Gospel. Now, we do have a specialty in the area of the creation account and Genesis because that's where we say God's word has come under attack."

Ham said Answers in Genesis made the decision to split its marketing budget for the ministry between a regional campaign for the museum and this billboard campaign, rather than a national campaign.

IRS filings for the ministry in recent years have shown a yearly operating budget of more than $25 million. Ham said the marketing budget is about 2% of that, about $500,000 a year. Though they are waiting for all the bills to come due for this campaign, he said he expected it to cost between $150,000 and $200,000.

Silverman noted that his billboards were not video and cost approximately $25,000 last year.  He said another campaign was in the works for this year.

"They're throwing down the gauntlet, and we're picking it up," Silverman said, adding that his group would "slap them in the face" with it.

Ham said that despite criticism from other Christians for being negative and the usual criticisms from secularists he received on his social media accounts, the advertisements have been a success.

"We wanted people talking about them, and we wanted discussion about this. We wanted people thinking about God," Ham said.

The Creation Museum and the theory of Young Earth creationism are widely reviled by the broader science community.

In a YouTube video posted last year titled "Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children," Bill Nye the Science Guy slammed creationism, imploring parents not to teach it to their children. "We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future," he said. "We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems."

The museum responded with its own video. 

For the past 30 years, Gallup Inc. has been tracking American opinions about creationism.

In June 2012, Gallup's latest findings showed that 46% of Americans believed in creationism, 32% believed in evolution guided by God, and 15% believed in atheistic evolution.

For as long as Gallup has conducted the survey, creationism has remained far and away the most popular answer, with 40% to 47% of Americans surveyed saying they believed that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years.

The Creation Museum said it recently welcomed its 2 millionth visitor since its opening in 2007.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Atheism • Belief • Christianity • Creationism • New York • Science

soundoff (8,748 Responses)
  1. bostontola

    "We're not against them personally. We're not trying to attack them personally, but we do believe they're wrong," he said.

    Atheists are about 2% of the US population, Christians are about 75%. I am astonished that any Christians would spend that kind of money to respond to such a tiny minority. What about the other 23% that are not Christian and hence are "wrong"? These extreme Christian nuts prove once again that their lack of critical thinking skills extends beyond their beliefs.

    October 9, 2013 at 3:55 pm |
    • Gol

      "to respond to such a tiny minority."

      Tiny minorities can have extremely loud and obnoxious voices.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:57 pm |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

        It helps that we're right.

        October 9, 2013 at 3:59 pm |
        • Gol

          Actually, you are not right. Other people that you think are more intelligent than you are...those are the people that are "right". You're just one of the many many sheeple that follows what they say.

          October 9, 2013 at 4:20 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          Actually, I am right.

          October 9, 2013 at 4:22 pm |
        • InFormed

          Actually he is right.

          October 9, 2013 at 4:25 pm |
        • Gol

          @IsD,IaIcdt and his little lamprey- what exactly are you correct about?

          Forgive me but i really doubt you have done any original research to know if you are right. Odds are that you both are sheeple. Especially the tagalong.

          October 9, 2013 at 4:47 pm |
        • LvanBthvn

          Yes, we *are* right. And we're also a lot more numerous than 2%. But we prefer to stand quietly by and watch the rest of you make fools of yourselves. Therefore we tend to give pollsters and census-takers the slip.

          October 9, 2013 at 6:02 pm |
        • Gol

          @LvanBthvn- oh boy..another lamprey.

          "Yes, we *are* right."

          In what?

          "And we're also a lot more numerous than 2%."

          Available stats says otherwise.

          "But we prefer to stand quietly by and watch the rest of you make fools of yourselves."

          "Rest of you"? In what way has anyone made a fool of themselves other than sheeple like you?

          "Therefore we tend to give pollsters and census-takers the slip."

          Sure sure..just like your many dates tends to give you the slip as well at the end of the evening.

          October 9, 2013 at 6:10 pm |
        • yup

          It definitely does help to be right. And he is right. Thats why we can laugh at you nutjobs, but when the same happens to you, all hell (lol) breaks lose at your local church, lol. Most of us were there before, we know how ridiculous you are. Easy pickins.

          November 1, 2013 at 4:48 pm |
        • JC

          Yes indeed. He's absolutely right.

          December 13, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
      • Bootyfunk

        true. some of them use facts and logic, and we know christians find that very annoying.

        October 9, 2013 at 4:00 pm |
        • AE

          No.

          October 9, 2013 at 4:04 pm |
      • lol??

        Jesus is righteous.

        November 3, 2013 at 8:59 pm |
    • Riversomme

      What is an 'extreme' Christian? You either are, or you're not.
      Just like there can't be an 'extreme' atheist. Unless you have doubts...which would mean that you're not sure. Which would mean that you're not an atheist.

      October 9, 2013 at 4:06 pm |
      • bostontola

        I know lots of Christians that recognize evolution as a fact, others believe in the hack science of ID, they're not all the same. Extreme Christians deny facts for their dogma, much like the people that put Galileo under house arrest for saying we live in a helio-centric system. In the 21st century, that behavior is extreme to me.

        October 9, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
        • lol??

          Evolution as a fact?? You ain't proved it in 25 centuries. Get crackin'.

          November 3, 2013 at 9:02 pm |
  2. Sally Wells

    I LOVE IT. It's says, loud and clear, rationalist and atheists have religionites ON THE ROPES!

    October 9, 2013 at 3:52 pm |
    • Gol

      Or..you know...it doesn't.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:58 pm |
  3. Brad

    Wait a minute... You mean to tell me that there is a BOOK that explains WHO CREATED US and WHY?!?! Why have I not been told of this sooner? Jeez, thanks, Atheists!

    October 9, 2013 at 3:50 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      read the introduction in any standard high school science book - congratulations, you have gained more scientific knowledge than is available in all of the bible.

      October 9, 2013 at 4:01 pm |
      • Topher

        The Bible isn't a science text book. So what is your point?

        October 9, 2013 at 4:05 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          You've got that right.

          October 9, 2013 at 4:08 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          but the bible says things like there was light before a sun.
          it says the earth is 6k-10k years old.
          it says the earth is flat.
          it gives the wrong order for the appearance of plants and animals on earth
          it says the universe was made by magic instead of natural processes

          basically, the bible fairy tales are in themselves arguments against science.

          October 9, 2013 at 4:10 pm |
        • ME II

          @Topher,
          "The Bible isn't a science text book. So what is your point?"

          Great, I wish some Christians would quit using it as such.

          October 9, 2013 at 4:20 pm |
        • to bootyfunk

          You're wrong

          1: the bible never mentioned thousands of years at all. People back then were too primitive to even understand the concept of numbers that high. It HAD to be simplified for them.

          2: the bible also NEVER says the earth is flat. Actually, in several places in the old testament, it is described as a sphere.

          3. The order it describes things as having appeared lines up almost exactly with that of evolution. As far as magic vs. natural process, what SHOULD have been said to cave dwelling humans? What would have been the point of saying things to them in a way they couldn't understand. Had it been presented to them in a more complicated form, they would have discounted it as myth and stories, which folks like you do ANYWAY.

          People often make false claims about what is in the bible even though they haven't actually READ the bible because they feel contempt for it and believe it is a waste of time to read. If you think it is too beneath you to even touch, then fine. Maybe it is, but at least don't spout off things that aren't true.

          October 9, 2013 at 4:46 pm |
        • ME II

          "2: the bible also NEVER says the earth is flat. Actually, in several places in the old testament, it is described as a sphere."

          I think all English translations of the Bible state 'circle', not sphere.

          October 9, 2013 at 4:54 pm |
        • ME II

          @to boothfunk,
          "3. The order it describes things as having appeared lines up almost exactly with that of evolution."

          Incorrect. The Bible has birds and flowering plants/fruit before land animals, among other inaccuracies, which is incorrect. The fossil record shows fish then land plants then land animals (reptiles) then birds then flowers (fruit) then man.

          October 9, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
        • dabudamasta

          You are absolutely correct to conclude that the bible is not a science book. But some school board administrators are trying to teach public school children young earth creationism ideas as science by including YEC textbook curriculum to be taught side by side with real science. The attempt have been defeated several times in court and the responsible school board administrator removed.

          November 3, 2013 at 8:32 pm |
      • AE

        No.

        October 9, 2013 at 4:07 pm |
      • lambchops

        Have you ever actually read the Bible? Creation vs. Evolution is a huge deal. If you start with a wrong conclusion about how everything started you will have a flawed view of why everything exist.

        October 9, 2013 at 4:13 pm |
        • anon

          Again, I say it over and over: People back then had no concept whatsoever of millions. Not in years, not in money, not even as a number. No way could they have understood all the complicated, scientific evolution stuff we hear all the time. Many of us NOW can't even quite get it. Fossils, carbon dating, DNA. I mean come on.

          How does a parent explain a very complicated thing to their young child? They bring it way down to a level that they can understand. It doesn't make it a lie, or a fairy tale.

          October 9, 2013 at 4:51 pm |
      • TruthinLove

        Actually, the Bible proved the earth to be round!

        It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
        Isaiah 40:22

        October 9, 2013 at 4:34 pm |
        • ME II

          A circle is round but flat, like a disk.
          The Earth is more spherical, like a ball.

          October 9, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
        • Truth

          @Me

          So a sphere is not round?

          October 10, 2013 at 9:13 am |
        • tallulah13

          A sphere has that crazy extra dimension that a circle doesn't have. Try rolling a basketball. It rolls on all sides, doesn't it? That's a sphere. Now try rolling a paper plate. Sure it rolls if you have it on it's side, but when you have it flat, it just sits there. That's because it's a circle, not a sphere. See how that works?

          So when the bible says circle, it is not an accurate description of the earth, is it?

          November 3, 2013 at 8:44 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

      Yes, it's called Rigveda.

      October 9, 2013 at 4:04 pm |
  4. mhb

    No one should have a problem with it. if the athiest can have billboards why can't Christians have theirs?

    October 9, 2013 at 3:50 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      I like it cause it makes me laugh on two levels.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:52 pm |
    • filo bedo

      I'm could care less let them scramble to indoctrinate the weak minded. But what the heck was that video? It made no sense at all. I think if somethings going to get someone through the day who am I to stop them. I would never stop someone from prayer but for some reason some groups are compelled to interfere in my life and that's when I help control it. I'd rather everyone have even ground but some people can't leave well enough alone that goes for both sides.

      October 10, 2013 at 6:31 pm |
    • Matthew

      You have no concept of burden of proof do you?

      October 10, 2013 at 8:07 pm |
      • barcs

        Duh, if you can't prove something wrong it automatically exists!

        October 22, 2013 at 2:02 pm |
    • Barcs

      Christians have had their own billboard ads for the past 100+ years. It's hilarious how now that atheists finally have the freedom to start making their own, it's suddenly a big deal. Making a billboard that says "god is great" or "abortion is murder" is just as offensive to atheists and others as the atheist ones are to Christians. Christians have dominated society for thousands of years and now they are upset that they are being questioned. Their egos can't take it. It's like the 90 year old king refusing to give up the throne to his son because he's been king for so long it's unthinkable until he dies. Freedom of speech applies to everyone. Not just people with religious ads.

      October 23, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
  5. Mike Rowan

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsCj__ucBSo&w=640&h=390]

    October 9, 2013 at 3:47 pm |
    • redzoa

      The arguments presented in the video are laughable to anyone with a cursory familiarity with molecular biology, immunology and virology. That you find this video compelling only betrays your lack of background in the relevant science.

      October 9, 2013 at 4:09 pm |
    • Hallmark

      The greatest minds laugh at videos! 😉

      October 9, 2013 at 4:11 pm |
      • TR1

        Laughter is a compelling argument. To a certain extent it establishes the academic credentials of a laughing online critic.

        October 9, 2013 at 4:14 pm |
  6. Apple Bush

    Here is the kind of man Bill Deacon is. He know I am an alcoholic and quite drinking over 8 months ago. And so far so good I have not slipped up. Twice today he has accused me of drinking and made fun of alcoholism.

    As I told him, I am not a sensitive guy per se, but that is as LOW CLASS as it gets. Who says that? So that is why Bill Deacon IS the biggest asshole on this blog. Thanks for listening.

    October 9, 2013 at 3:43 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

      Come on, 'alcoholism' is a concept deserving of ridicule.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:48 pm |
      • Apple Bush

        Stop trolling it is sad.

        October 9, 2013 at 3:53 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          Who's trolling? The disease theory of alcoholism is retarded and should be ridiculed.

          October 9, 2013 at 3:56 pm |
      • Apple Bush

        Are you claiming then that alcoholism is not a real disorder?

        October 9, 2013 at 4:05 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          It's a disorder in the sense that it's a distressive and destructive behaviour pattern. I highly doubt it's a genetic disorder though and I find alcoholics tedious company.

          October 9, 2013 at 4:11 pm |
        • Bill Deacon

          AA says that alcoholism is a physical allergy coupled with a mental obsession rooted in a spiritual malady. They could be right.

          October 9, 2013 at 4:11 pm |
        • Apple Bush

          @I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          Alcoholism is drinking alcohol everyday. There are many flavors of alcoholism. Once you have fallen prey to it, you have a chore ahead of you when you make the decision to quit. IF you are not one, then you don't know what it is.

          October 9, 2013 at 4:15 pm |
        • barcs

          Strong willpower trumps alcoholism any day. I mean all you have to do is not drink it. It's not that hard. It only becomes addictive because people abuse it in the first place.

          October 22, 2013 at 2:04 pm |
        • MattinDC

          But it's sooooo darn FUN!!!

          October 22, 2013 at 3:21 pm |
      • barcs

        Haha, that south park episode nailed it!

        October 22, 2013 at 2:03 pm |
    • Matt

      As an atheist and someone who spent 4 years at the bottom of a bottle before crawling back out, I say screw that guy. You won't convince him of anything, you won't get him to change, and there are no real repercussions on internet forums like this. So forget him. And congratulations dude.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:55 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      I'm not making fun of it. I happen to be a sensitive person and I am sensitive to the signs of relapse. My instincts tell me (shielded as they might be by our very limited contact) that if you have not already relapsed, you will soon. For some reason, I have a sense of compassion toward you and your situation. I lost a wife to alcoholism and I understand the pain you and your family are going through. I just don't see any recovery in the things you post.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:58 pm |
      • sam

        Bill, come on. You were taking cheap shots at him for the sake of doing so. You can't tell how someone is doing based on what they post here, anyway.

        October 9, 2013 at 4:02 pm |
        • Apple Bush

          Hey sam, what's up. I have NOT relapsed I am happy to say. So far so good. The trick is not to drink alcohol as it turns out.

          October 9, 2013 at 4:06 pm |
        • sam

          That's the best way through it, dude!

          October 9, 2013 at 4:17 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      I apologize Apple. It's none of my business whether you are in recovery or not. I promise I'll never bring it up again. I only ask that you remember that I confronted you, in the same manner that the error int he billboard will cause you to remember it and that you be honest with yourself about your drinking. Not to me or to your wife or your kids, just to yourself.

      October 9, 2013 at 4:09 pm |
      • sam

        That was confronting? No, that was self-serving "I'll give you a supposed taste of your own medicine in some passive-aggressive way."

        Bullshit premise, bullshit cheap shots, bullshit apology. Pat yourself on the back.

        October 9, 2013 at 4:17 pm |
      • Apple Bush

        I am just busting your balls Bill LOL, I don't care what you say or think of me. No need to apologize.

        October 9, 2013 at 4:35 pm |
      • barcs

        Alcoholism is an addiction, not a disease. If you can call alcoholism a disease, then you can call getting fat from eating too much junk food a disease or watching too many horror movies a disease. It's not a disease, it's the result of an action. You consume an addictive substance, you get addicted. It's not rocket science.

        October 22, 2013 at 2:09 pm |
  7. Apple Bush

    I once saw a huge typo at a restaurant. The name of their establishment had one of the letters upside down. It was obvious to me but no one seemed to notice this 2 foot letter not matching the others.

    THIS is the biggest typo I have EVER seen. The actually but the message being spoken in the wrong place, and the one saying it in the dialogue bubble. Unreal.

    October 9, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
    • Topher

      Dude, it's not a mistake. The bubble is part of AiG's logo. There's nothing wrong with what they did.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:39 pm |
      • Apple Bush

        Topher, that is kind of the whole point. How STUPID is that?? LOL

        Look at the bottom where they did it correctly with Genesis 1:1

        October 9, 2013 at 3:45 pm |
      • Topher

        Still don't see how it's an error. As someone's who has worked in design, it's about how I'd have done it, too. Part of the quote involves the logo, part is in ginormous letters. Plus it's wrapping around the building.

        October 9, 2013 at 3:47 pm |
        • Apple Bush

          I bet you're not in design anymore! LOL

          I would fire anyone who let that get through.

          October 9, 2013 at 3:51 pm |
        • Topher

          There's nothing to "let get through." There's nothing wrong with that design. You're looking for something to make fun of and there's just nothing there.

          October 9, 2013 at 4:00 pm |
        • Apple Bush

          Ok Topher, so you are telling me that they WANTED it like that?? LOL. Then it is even worse than I first suspected.

          October 9, 2013 at 4:10 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Do you remember the name of the restaurant?

      October 9, 2013 at 3:39 pm |
      • Apple Bush

        The Habit

        October 9, 2013 at 4:36 pm |
  8. Bootyfunk

    no, you weren't being sarcastic. i just read your post. you were making a point that since we can't see evolution happen, it can't be proven. and i pointed out what a terrible lack of logic that was. now you're saying you were being sarcastic to get out of looking foolish. you said facts can't be established unless someone is there to observe them. lol.

    "What people will argue is that life didn't get to where it is by mindless processes."
    +++ yes, you're saying it was magic, right? you're saying Goddidit, right?

    October 9, 2013 at 3:36 pm |
  9. Agnostic Theist

    In all honestly I don't think it's appropriate. I do support billboards for one person celebrating their own faith (or lack there of), I don't think it's appropriate to tell someone else they are mistaken.

    October 9, 2013 at 3:34 pm |
    • Topher

      Is your skin that thin? Seriously?!

      October 9, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      it's good to support the truth, but fairy tales are not the truth.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

      If somebody is wrong they should be told. Creationists are incredibly wrong and must be told.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:38 pm |
    • ME II

      Nothing wrong with saying someone is wrong, although there are polite ways and times to do so. Nothing wrong with AIG putting up a billboard, it's their money.

      However there is definitely something wrong with AIG's "science" if it can be called that.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:45 pm |
      • sam

        It does make me wonder what set them off so that they felt a billboard was necessary.

        October 9, 2013 at 4:04 pm |
    • Rett

      People should never be told they are mistaken? Are you married:)

      October 10, 2013 at 7:42 pm |
  10. Dyslexic doG

    For all you folk posting 'jesus said ...", how can you possibly speak about "what jesus said"?!?!

    The King James version of the new testament was completed in 1611 by 8 members of the church of England. There were (and still are) NO original texts to translate. The oldest manuscripts we have were written down 100's of years after the last apostle died. There are over 8,000 of these old manuscripts with no two alike. The king james translators used none of these anyway. Instead they edited previous translations to create a version their king and parliament would approve. So.... 21st century christians believe the "word of god" is a book edited in the 17th century from the 16th century translations of 8,000 contradictory copies of 4th century scrolls that claim to be copies of lost letters written in the 1st century.

    So we don't even know if the jesus character existed, much less what he may or may not have said.

    Seriously?! Claiming that jesus said certain phrases is utter mind numbing nonsense, and yet you seem to base your belief on this! Your belief has more holes in it than swiss cheese! It would be laughable if it wasn't so tragic.

    October 9, 2013 at 3:33 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Why do you stop your research at the King James version? Have you reviewed the Didache?

      October 9, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
      • Bootyfunk

        i have. it's just as silly.

        October 9, 2013 at 3:38 pm |
      • Dyslexic doG

        equally flawed, equally made up

        October 9, 2013 at 3:41 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      The King James Version (KJV), commonly known as the Authorized Version (AV) or King James Bible (KJB), is an English translation of the Christian Bible for the Church of England begun in 1604 and completed in 1611.[2] First printed by the King's Printer Robert Barker,[3][4] this was the third translation into English to be approved by the English Church authorities. The first was the Great Bible commissioned in the reign of King Henry VIII, and the second was the Bishops' Bible of 1568.[5] In January 1604, King James I convened the Hampton Court Conference where a new English version was conceived in response to the perceived problems of the earlier translations as detected by the Puritans,[6] a faction within the Church of England.[7]

      James gave the translators instructions intended to guarantee that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology and reflect the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its belief in an ordained clergy.[8] The translation was done by 47 scholars, all of whom were members of the Church of England.[9

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorized_King_James_Version

      October 9, 2013 at 3:43 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      The first section (Chapters 1-6) begins: "There are two ways, one of life and one of death, and there is a great difference between these two ways."[22]

      Seems relevant to me. But, my question was "If you are going to malign the faith, why would you choose a medieval text as if it were fundamental to the faith?

      October 9, 2013 at 3:47 pm |
    • Tell Creationists What You Think

      Religions are mostly about nothing more than control and collecting treasure from the flock.

      I'll believe in a god whenever he/she decides to show themselves in public. Until then I refuse to take the word of priests, prophets, or any of the myriad of scoundrels who try to tell people that if they give to the church they will get eternal whatever, riches, etc, in return.

      For the most part, religion is a scam.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:56 pm |
  11. Apple Bush

    It is official for me. Bill Deacon is the biggest asshole on the blog. I know I am late to the party on this one.

    October 9, 2013 at 3:32 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Bullseye huh?

      October 9, 2013 at 3:33 pm |
      • Dyslexic doG

        Bill, it doesn't matter how smug you feel about imagined victories in this small forum, you are still basing your life on an imaginary man in the sky. What ever AB does in her life, however low she sinks, she couldn't even begin to approach the mind numbing foolishness that you define yourself with. You sad, sorry, feeble little man ...

        October 9, 2013 at 3:39 pm |
        • Bill Deacon

          This is called rescuing. Someone can't stand the fact that the alcoholic is confronted and rushes to their defense. The alcoholic feels vindicated and victimized. It helps them get to the next drink. You aren't helping Apple DD. You are killing him.

          October 9, 2013 at 3:42 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          The first thing I do when I meet an alcoholic is give them a bottle of vodka. There's nothing more tedious than a sober alcoholic.

          October 9, 2013 at 3:46 pm |
        • Bill Deacon

          Right, a guy I know used to say "Take a drunk jerk and sober him up and you still have a jerk." Recovery requires more than just not drinking but you have to start there.

          Or you can keep drinking.

          October 9, 2013 at 3:52 pm |
        • sam

          Bill, seriously. Making snarky comments is 'rescuing'? Let's pretend for a moment that's true. The only reason you're doing it is because you didn't agree with his posts. In any case, Apple and his history are none of your goddamn business.

          No one's running to his defense. We're pointing out what an asshole you're being at the moment.

          October 9, 2013 at 4:13 pm |
    • Observer

      Apple Bush,

      Grow up and learn some manners.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:34 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      I think jesus actually said that in the bible ...

      October 9, 2013 at 3:36 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

      I don't particularly like Bill but he seems sincere. That's more than I can say for many on this blog and he should be given credit for it.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:36 pm |
      • Bill Deacon

        Thanks?

        October 9, 2013 at 3:38 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          You're welcome (question mark aside).

          October 9, 2013 at 3:43 pm |
      • Dyslexic doG

        sincerely deluded ...

        October 9, 2013 at 3:40 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          Says the guy who supports state atheism.

          October 9, 2013 at 3:41 pm |
  12. Frank

    "These people are watching the Flintstones as if it were a documentary." –Lewis Black

    October 9, 2013 at 3:32 pm |
  13. Apple Bush

    HEY BABY!, "To the cute girl."

    It hurts...

    October 9, 2013 at 3:24 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      Bzzzzd, do any of my silly posts make sense? No of course not, because the text is in the wrong bubble. Punctuation is represented by the bubble. It means someone is talking. I am lecturing a 5 year old.

      The creationists sign has the "talking" in the wrong place. NOT in the bubble. It is backwards and funny.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:28 pm |
      • Bill Deacon

        Look at it this way; advertiser often misspell a word or build in a mistake into their ad. The error sticks in your mind and help you recall the ad. When you sober up, you'll remember that you were right about the bubble. Hopefully you'll remember the content at the right moment as well.

        October 9, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
        • sam

          More of a dick than usual. Bad day?

          October 9, 2013 at 4:08 pm |
      • Bzzzzd

        I think you hit the wrong reply button.
        I still think you are making a big deal out of nothing.

        October 9, 2013 at 4:04 pm |
    • Troy

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK9IQaQgYBM&w=640&h=390]

      October 9, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

        [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16RCvtziXj0&w=640&h=390]

        October 9, 2013 at 3:41 pm |
  14. Apple Bush

    CAN YOU PLEASE SHOW PROOF OF GOD?, "To the Christian:"

    Can't.....breath......

    October 9, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
    • Troy

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=videoseries&w=640&h=390]

      October 9, 2013 at 3:34 pm |
  15. Irrational Exuberance

    As Jesus said (provided you believe in a trinity)
    'You may keep own human beings, just hold their family hostage till they agree' Exodus 21:2-6
    'Sell you daughters and engage in se.x trafficking' Exodus 21:7-11
    'Smack that disobedient servant, but if you need to beat them to death make sure it takes a few days for them to die.' Exodus 21:20-21
    So important he mentioned it again in person:
    'Beat that slave. Owning human beings is totally cool' Luke 12:47-48

    October 9, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Exodus 21

      King James Version (KJV)

      21 Now these are the judgments which thou shalt set before them.

      2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.

      3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.

      4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.

      5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free:

      6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.

      7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.

      8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.

      9 And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.

      10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.

      11 And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.

      12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.

      13 And if a man lie not in wait, but God deliver him into his hand; then I will appoint thee a place whither he shall flee.

      14 But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die.

      15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

      16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

      17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

      18 And if men strive together, and one smite another with a stone, or with his fist, and he die not, but keepeth his bed:

      19 If he rise again, and walk abroad upon his staff, then shall he that smote him be quit: only he shall pay for the loss of his time, and shall cause him to be thoroughly healed.

      20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.

      21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

      22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

      23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,

      24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

      25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

      26 And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake.

      27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.

      28 If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit.

      29 But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death.

      30 If there be laid on him a sum of money, then he shall give for the ransom of his life whatsoever is laid upon him.

      31 Whether he have gored a son, or have gored a daughter, according to this judgment shall it be done unto him.

      32 If the ox shall push a manservant or a maidservant; he shall give unto their master thirty shekels of silver, and the ox shall be stoned.

      33 And if a man shall open a pit, or if a man shall dig a pit, and not cover it, and an ox or an ass fall therein;

      34 The owner of the pit shall make it good, and give money unto the owner of them; and the dead beast shall be his.

      35 And if one man's ox hurt another's, that he die; then they shall sell the live ox, and divide the money of it; and the dead ox also they shall divide.

      36 Or if it be known that the ox hath used to push in time past, and his owner hath not kept him in; he shall surely pay ox for ox; and the dead shall be his own.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:31 pm |
      • HandsomeAthiest

        TL;DR

        October 9, 2013 at 3:42 pm |
        • Heads Up

          Atheist, not athiest... unless, of course, you are the most athi or something!

          October 9, 2013 at 3:55 pm |
      • Irrational Exuberance

        My apologies Robert, I had thought it would be obvious it was a paraphrase.

        But thank you for the works in their full which confirms my paraphrasing of them is correct.
        Jesus is was for owning human beings.

        October 9, 2013 at 3:50 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Luke 12

      36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.

      37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.

      38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

      39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.

      40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

      41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?

      42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?

      43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

      44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

      45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

      46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

      47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

      48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
    • JustAGuy

      Before you critique a theology, please make sure you understand it. From your post, it's very clear that you don't understand the doctrine of the Trinity (or any Christine Doctrine) and you don't have a clue as to how to use the linguistic tools needed to translate one language into the other. Additionally, given what you've written, you have no idea of how to use exegesis or hermeneutics - two skills that are absolutely necessary for the analysis of all ancient texts, not just the Bible.

      Perhaps next time you should do your homework so you don't look as ignorant as you are.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:57 pm |
    • rc roeder

      Just a simple question, where is the Book of Jesus? I see the Book of Luke, and John and the others, but nothing that Jesus wrote himself. If this was a court of law, everything that is said by Jesus is "here say" evidence.

      October 9, 2013 at 4:07 pm |
  16. Tony

    No issue with them putting it up.
    I think Silverman has the right of it though. If they're looking to attract nonbelievers, it's probably not going to work.

    October 9, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

      It's not to attract nonbelievers, just like atheist billboards aren't to attract believers. It's just an advertisement for a self-congratulatory circle-jerk.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:21 pm |
      • Tony

        I don't know about that. Wasn't there an atheist billboard campaign recently aimed at religious people questioning their beliefs?

        October 9, 2013 at 3:23 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          Yes, but it's all so they can go home and feel superior and jerk-off with each other. Men in general, regardless of race, religion or creed, like to feel self-satisfied and jerk-off.

          October 9, 2013 at 3:33 pm |
  17. Dawkins interviews a bimbo

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AS6rQtiEh8&w=640&h=390]

    October 9, 2013 at 3:14 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      She is probably the one the signed off on the goof.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:14 pm |
    • Tony

      That whole thing is painful to watch.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
    • Maxwell's Demon

      Was it really necessary to refer to her as a "bimbo?"

      October 9, 2013 at 3:23 pm |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

        Yes.

        October 9, 2013 at 3:26 pm |
      • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Perimeter of Ignorance

        No, it was not necessary to call her that name. If you watch the video, she's quite articulate, she is just choosing not to consider that she could be wrong.

        October 9, 2013 at 3:53 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          An articulate bimbo is still a bimbo.

          October 9, 2013 at 3:57 pm |
    • Observer

      Dawkins won the fight, but it certainly wasn't by a knockout.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:27 pm |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

        Have you ever tried debating somebody who thinks the sky is God's carpet? It's quite difficult.

        October 9, 2013 at 3:34 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      so painful to watch!

      October 9, 2013 at 3:29 pm |
    • Bob

      Words fail to describe how much I facepalmed at that woman.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:56 pm |
    • Michael in NJ

      At 3:35, does she really say that scientists "are almost like a religion" as a way to show their close mindedness and discredit scientists? Irony or something else?

      October 10, 2013 at 8:58 am |
  18. Apple Bush

    Brilliant.

    Did anyone else notice that the words in the bubble should not be? It should be the other way around.

    October 9, 2013 at 3:10 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      Sorry but that is hilarious. Creationists and proofreading.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:12 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

      I think you're asking too much of these people. Let's face it, they think humans rode to work on dinosaurs and mixed cement in pelicans beaks.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:14 pm |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

        Pelicans'

        October 9, 2013 at 3:14 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      THANK GOD YOU'RE WRONG., "To all our atheist friends:"

      LMFAO

      October 9, 2013 at 3:18 pm |
      • Apple Bush

        I WILL HAVE A COKE., "To the guy at the counter:"

        ROFL

        October 9, 2013 at 3:20 pm |
    • Bzzzzd

      I don't think there are any grammar errors in english that involves bubbles.
      Maybe in the high class world of comic books but otherwise, I think you are being nitpicky.

      October 9, 2013 at 3:18 pm |
      • Apple Bush

        Bzzzzd, you are worse than them. If you are going to have bubbles, you have to put the right text in the bubble for God's sake!!!!!!!!!

        October 9, 2013 at 3:21 pm |
        • Bill Deacon

          Pretty sure you're drinking again aren't you Apple?

          October 9, 2013 at 3:27 pm |
      • Apple Bush

        Bill do you seriously not see the stupidity of that sign?

        Also, I am not a sensitive person per se, but laughing at an alcoholic who is sober is really low class.

        October 9, 2013 at 3:30 pm |
    • FYI

      Apple Bush is correct. Good catch!

      October 9, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
      • Bzzzzd

        Still being nitpicky. The use of the bubble I think was meant to portray a calmess of what was being said and then add to the emphasis of the second statement.
        In the end, did you know what was being said? Yes.
        Does it seem like you are trying to use a grammar based ad hominem to belittle them? Yes.

        October 9, 2013 at 4:08 pm |
  19. JC

    As I was saying...."religious fruit cakes"..... See Ron's comments for an example.

    October 9, 2013 at 3:10 pm |
  20. Ron

    "Unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." ...Jesus (John 3:3)

    October 9, 2013 at 3:09 pm |
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