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October 9th, 2013
02:27 PM ET

Creationists taunt atheists in latest billboard war

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN)– A new video billboard in New York's Times Square has a message from creationists, "To all of our atheist friends: Thank God you're wrong."

The video advertisement at 42nd Street and Eighth Avenue in Manhattan is one of several billboards going up this week in New York, San Francisco and Los Angeles, paid for by Answers in Genesis.

Answers in Genesis is best known as the multimillion-dollar Christian ministry behind the Creation Museum outside Cincinnati.

The museum presents the case for Young Earth creationism, following what it says is a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis, which says the Earth was created by God in six days less than 10,000 years ago.

Ken Ham, president of Answers in Genesis, said the idea for the advertisements came from an atheist billboard in Times Square at Christmas.

During the holidays, the American Atheists put up a billboard with images of Santa Claus and Jesus that read: "Keep the Merry, dump the myth."

“The Bible says to contend for the faith,” Ham said. “We thought we should come up with something that would make a statement in the culture, a bold statement, and direct them to our website.

"We're not against them personally. We're not trying to attack them personally, but we do believe they're wrong," he said.

"From an atheist's perspective, they believe when they die, they cease to exist. And we say 'no, you're not going to cease to exist; you're going to spend eternity with God or without God. And if you're an atheist, you're going to be spending it without God.' "

Dave Silverman, president of the American Atheists, said he felt sad for creationists when he saw the billboards.

"They refuse to look at the real world. They refuse to look at the evidence we have, and they offer none," Silverman said. "They might as well be saying, 'Thank Zeus you're wrong' or 'Thank Thor you're wrong.' "

Silverman said he welcomed another competitor to marketplace, noting that after atheists bought a billboard two years ago in Times Square that read "You KNOW it's a myth," the Catholic League purchased competing space at the entrance to the Lincoln Tunnel for a sign that read "You KNOW it's true."

"I would suggest, if they're actually trying to attract atheists, they should talk about proof and reason to believe in their god, not just some pithy play on words," Silverman said.

Ham says part of the goal of the campaign is to draw people to the website for Answers in Genesis, where he offers a lengthy post on his beliefs for the proof of God.

Ham insists that this campaign is in keeping with their overall mission. "We're a biblical authority ministry. We're really on about the Bible and the Gospel. Now, we do have a specialty in the area of the creation account and Genesis because that's where we say God's word has come under attack."

Ham said Answers in Genesis made the decision to split its marketing budget for the ministry between a regional campaign for the museum and this billboard campaign, rather than a national campaign.

IRS filings for the ministry in recent years have shown a yearly operating budget of more than $25 million. Ham said the marketing budget is about 2% of that, about $500,000 a year. Though they are waiting for all the bills to come due for this campaign, he said he expected it to cost between $150,000 and $200,000.

Silverman noted that his billboards were not video and cost approximately $25,000 last year.  He said another campaign was in the works for this year.

"They're throwing down the gauntlet, and we're picking it up," Silverman said, adding that his group would "slap them in the face" with it.

Ham said that despite criticism from other Christians for being negative and the usual criticisms from secularists he received on his social media accounts, the advertisements have been a success.

"We wanted people talking about them, and we wanted discussion about this. We wanted people thinking about God," Ham said.

The Creation Museum and the theory of Young Earth creationism are widely reviled by the broader science community.

In a YouTube video posted last year titled "Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children," Bill Nye the Science Guy slammed creationism, imploring parents not to teach it to their children. "We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future," he said. "We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems."

The museum responded with its own video. 

For the past 30 years, Gallup Inc. has been tracking American opinions about creationism.

In June 2012, Gallup's latest findings showed that 46% of Americans believed in creationism, 32% believed in evolution guided by God, and 15% believed in atheistic evolution.

For as long as Gallup has conducted the survey, creationism has remained far and away the most popular answer, with 40% to 47% of Americans surveyed saying they believed that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years.

The Creation Museum said it recently welcomed its 2 millionth visitor since its opening in 2007.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Atheism • Belief • Christianity • Creationism • New York • Science

soundoff (8,748 Responses)
  1. sirhuxley

    That is just Hilarious, but there is no doubt that the creationists are losing.

    This is a dialog that we couldn't even have 40 years ago, and 500 years ago would get you burned at the stake for your own good.

    Clearly on the Defensive, the religious are slowly being backed into a corner, so don't be surprised by these resurgent moments as they find that they do indeed have to defend their position.

    Previously, they controlled EVERYTHING, what you could read, the state and local governments, etc, etc.

    But no longer....reality is coming for your "believers" and shall have them!

    October 10, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
    • Harold

      YES. Deists often ask why non-believers seem so angry or vitriolic...I find it more just empowering that we are now able to stand up and say, "HEY! these ideas than no one can prove are idiotic! Can we talk about them?" without being killed.

      Prove this concept of a Human soul.
      Prove this concept of living after death when over 100 years of neuro science sure makes it look like its radically false.
      Prove a god exists.
      Prove all gods exist.

      ...then we can talk 🙂

      October 10, 2013 at 5:28 pm |
  2. ken

    Why doesn't God just make earth into heaven?

    October 10, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
    • christianity 101

      which god?

      October 10, 2013 at 5:21 pm |
      • dm

        ed

        October 10, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
    • Hawkeye321`

      He did. Vegas, baby!

      October 10, 2013 at 5:22 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      God is too stupid. He makes universes so fragile that one lift of a woman's elbow causes the whole thing to crash and burn.

      October 10, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
    • Concerned Citizen

      Because he DOESN'T EXIST!

      October 10, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
    • Commenting

      If you choose to have a god and you choose a god that is full of love, then god will turn earth into heaven by your actions because he exists in your mind and heart. Keep in mind that others will often choose not to do the same.

      October 10, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
  3. Ironicus

    Going by the billboard, it's clearly a private message meant for their atheist friends, of whom I doubt there exists any significant quantity in the first place. Private snark on a billboard, what a shock. Sounds pretty christardish to me. What.

    October 10, 2013 at 5:14 pm |
    • Gol

      Considering that atheists are such a tiny minority of the population, how many atheist friends could anyone really have?

      October 10, 2013 at 5:20 pm |
      • Max

        Then why the posturing? Answer: to inflame, and nothing more. Tedious.

        October 10, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
        • Gol

          "Then why the posturing? Answer: to inflame, and nothing more. Tedious."

          Perhaps but it is not something unique to anyone claiming a religious background.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:51 pm |
      • Cpt. Obvious

        Wouldn't it depend on additional factors you are not mentioning, Gol?

        October 10, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
        • Gol

          Such as?

          October 10, 2013 at 5:51 pm |
      • Harold

        I know far more non-believers and dis-believers than I do actual devout believers. But it is still a little taboo to discuss openly at a party or gathering. Believers get very upset when you dance around the issue that their beliefs are childish and silly. Common sense constrains such foolishness in every other possible domain of discourse, but not religion. Faith. the Bedrock of ignorance...

        October 10, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
        • Gol

          I think average people will get upset whenever anything they consider important is called silly or worse. It's not just those with religious backgrounds.

          I mean...if you try to calmly tell someone their wife is a wh ore and maybe even have some facts to back it up....I doubt they will respond in a calm manner.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:55 pm |
      • bwweinstein

        Way more than you suspect, just like in the 1970s, when you had way more gay friends than you knew.

        October 10, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
        • Gol

          Maybe they should edit the billboard to say, "To all of our cowardly atheist friends..."

          October 10, 2013 at 5:56 pm |
      • Ironicus

        There are millions of us, silly. Do the math: 10-20 percent of US pop. of 300 million is 30 to 60 million people who can see right through your bullshit. Shall we come over for a visit? All of us at once? Wouldn't that be fun!
        Over 95% of all scientists are atheist/agnostic, so if you don't know any scientists I guess you must live in bumfuck, Tex-ass or something...

        October 10, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
        • Wrong!

          Pew Research Center – 2009 that
          51 percent of scientists believe that God or some higher power exists
          41 percent of scientists reject both of those concepts
          -–
          2 percent of the general population identifies as atheist
          17 percent of scientists identify themselves with that term.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
        • Ironicus

          What? You have a link? Otherwise go away...

          October 10, 2013 at 5:45 pm |
        • Gol

          What? You have a link for your numbers? Otherwise go away...

          October 10, 2013 at 5:57 pm |
        • Wrong!

          Thanks for posting your link, genius.

          http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/

          Read it and weep.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:58 pm |
        • Ironicus

          *sob*
          lol
          Okay, I forgot how all these religious colleges are dumping worthless dreck into the fields of science. My bad.
          I thought I saw some number over 90 somewhere. Too busy now. Thanks for the clarification.
          My other numbers came from a newer Pew poll I think, and there was an article right here about it, too.
          That was a long time ago. Sorry I don't have a better link.

          October 10, 2013 at 6:13 pm |
        • Gol

          @Ironicus- "I thought I saw some number over 90 somewhere."

          You thought wrong.

          "Too busy now."

          To busy to google your info but not so busy to prevent you from posting this drek.
          We'll give you the benefit of the doubt and hope you provide you citiation sometime.

          October 10, 2013 at 6:20 pm |
        • source

          I thought I saw some number over 90 somewhere.

          source = looney atheist website

          October 10, 2013 at 6:31 pm |
        • Ironicus

          No, I don't go to any of the atheist websites. I already know there are no gods. I don't need constant reassurance about it.
          But thank you for trying. Nice hair, btw.

          October 10, 2013 at 7:30 pm |
        • Gol

          Typical..he has time to give a few left handed insults but not enough time to give a citation to his info.

          October 10, 2013 at 7:52 pm |
  4. dm murdock

    i no u r all going 2 burn in hell.

    October 10, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
    • Hawkeye321`

      Wel sed

      October 10, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
  5. Just the Facts Ma'am...

    4.5 billion year old earth.

    DNA that shows we did not descend from a single pair of pre-made humans.

    Geological record shows no evidence of a global flood.

    Ho mosapian remains from over 30,000 years ago show they had life spans similiar to us, not the 800+ years as claimed in Genesis.

    Our DNA shows humans and neanderthals interbred about 20,000 years ago.

    Gobekli Tepe is about six miles from Urfa, an ancient city in southeastern Turkey where there are massive carved stones about 11,000 years old, crafted and arranged by prehistoric people who had not yet developed metal tools or even pottery and predate Stonehenge by some 6,000 years.

    What do all these things have in common? None of them fit with the myth presented in Genesis, thus any logical and reasonable person can conclude that it is Genesis that is flawed and not the evidence..

    October 10, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      Ok, but if god were a big enough azzhole, he could just be tricking us.

      October 10, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
      • Just the Facts Ma'am...

        You have a point, but that throws a whole new factor into the calculations...

        October 10, 2013 at 7:07 pm |
  6. james

    If only there really were a god to save us from its followers.

    October 10, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
  7. Jedi's Witness

    Do you have a moment to talk about The Force?
    You will open the door.
    You will listen.

    October 10, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
    • Ironicus

      That isn't the force you're talking about. You don't need to see my identification.

      October 10, 2013 at 7:40 pm |
  8. Colin

    This is actually very funny and captures the Christian mindset very well. It is from Jhuger.com. I don't know if the site still exists.

    Yesterday morning there was a knock at my door. A pleasant and enthusiastic young couple were there.

    John: "Hi! I'm John, and this is Mary."

    Mary: "Hi! We're here to invite you to come kiss Hank's ass with us."

    Me: "Pardon me?! What are you talking about? Who's Hank, and why would I want to kiss His ass?"

    John: "If you kiss Hank's ass, He'll give you a million dollars; and if you don't, He'll kick the guts out of you."

    Me: "What? Is this some sort of bizarre mob shake-down?"

    John: "Hank is a billionaire philanthropist. Hank built this town. Hank owns this town. He can do whatever He wants, and what He wants is to give you a million dollars, but He can't until you kiss His ass."

    Me: "That doesn't make any sense. Why..."

    Mary: "Who are you to question Hank's gift? Don't you want a million dollars? Isn't it worth a little kiss on the ass?"

    Me: "Well maybe, if it's legit, but..."

    John: "Then come kiss Hank's ass with us."

    Me: "Do you kiss Hank's ass often?"

    Mary: "Oh yes, all the time..."

    Me: "And has He given you a million dollars?"

    John: "Well no. You don't actually get the money until you leave town."

    Me: "So why don't you just leave town now?"

    Mary: "You can't leave until Hank tells you to, or you don't get the money, and He kicks the guts out of you."

    Me: "Do you know anyone who kissed Hank's ass, left town, and got the million dollars?"

    John: "My mother kissed Hank's ass for years. She left town last year, and I'm sure she got the money."

    Me: "Haven't you talked to her since then?"

    John: "Of course not, Hank doesn't allow it."

    Me: "So what makes you think He'll actually give you the money if you've never talked to anyone who got the money?"

    Mary: "Well, we have faith in Hank. It’s good to have faith in Hank and bad to question, doubt or think skeptically of what Hank says. Hank will kick the guts out of you if he finds out you do that.

    Me: "I'm sorry, but this sounds like some sort of bizarre con game."

    John: "But it's a million dollars, can you really take the chance? And remember, if you don't kiss Hank's ass He'll kick the guts out of you."

    Me: "Maybe if I could see Hank, talk to Him, get the details straight from Him..."

    Mary: "No one sees Hank, no one talks to Hank."

    Me: "Then how do you kiss His ass?"

    John: "Sometimes we just blow Him a kiss, and think of His ass. Other times we kiss Karl's ass, and he passes it on."

    Me: "Who's Karl?"

    Mary: "A friend of ours. He's the one who taught us all about kissing Hank's ass. All we had to do was take him out to dinner a few times."

    Me: "And you just took his word for it when he said there was a Hank, that Hank wanted you to kiss His ass, and that Hank would reward you?"

    John: "Oh no! Karl has a letter he got from Hank years ago explaining the whole thing. Here's a copy; see for yourself."

    From the Desk of Karl
    1. Kiss Hank's ass and He'll give you a million dollars when you leave town.
    2. Use alcohol in moderation.
    3. Kick the guts out of people who aren't like you.
    4. Eat right.
    5. Hank dictated this list Himself.
    6. The moon is made of green cheese.
    7. Everything Hank says is right.
    8. Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.
    9. Don't use alcohol.
    10. Kiss Hank's ass or He'll kick the guts out of you.

    Me: "This appears to be written on Karl's letterhead."

    Mary: "Hank didn't have any paper."

    Me: "I have a hunch that if we checked we'd find this is Karl's handwriting."

    John: "Of course, Hank dictated it."

    Me: "I thought you said no one gets to see Hank?"

    Mary: "Not now, but years ago He would talk to some people."

    Me: "I thought you said He was a philanthropist. What sort of philanthropist kicks the guts out of people just because they're different?"

    Mary: "It's what Hank wants, and Hank's always right."

    Me: "How do you figure that?"

    Mary: "Item 7 says 'Everything Hank says is right.' That's good enough for me!"

    Me: "Maybe your friend Karl just made the whole thing up."

    John: "No way! Item 5 says 'Hank dictated this list himself.' Besides, item 2 says 'Use alcohol in moderation,' Item 4 says 'Eat right,' and item 8 says 'Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.' Everyone knows those things are right, so the rest must be true, too."

    Me: "But 9 says 'Don't use alcohol.' which doesn't quite go with item 2, and 6 says 'The moon is made of green cheese,' which is just plain wrong."

    John: "There's no contradiction between 9 and 2, 9 just clarifies 2. As far as 6 goes, you've never been to the moon, so you can't say for sure."

    Me: "Scientists have pretty firmly established that the moon is made of rock..."

    Mary: "But they don't know if the rock came from the Earth, or from out of space, so it could just as easily be green cheese."

    Me: "I'm not really an expert, but not knowing where the rock came from doesn't make it plausible that it might be made of cheese."

    John: "Ha! You just admitted that scientists don’t know everything, but we know Hank is always right!"

    Me: "We do?"

    Mary: "Of course we do, Item 7 says so."

    Me: "You're saying Hank's always right because the list says so, the list is right because Hank dictated it, and we know that Hank dictated it because the list says so. That's circular logic, no different than saying 'Hank's right because He says He's right.'"

    John: "Now you're getting it! It's so rewarding to see someone come around to Hank's way of thinking."

    Me: "But...oh, never mind.

    October 10, 2013 at 4:58 pm |
    • Truth

      Thanks for demonstrating the delusional result of the atheist's circular reasoning.

      October 10, 2013 at 5:02 pm |
      • Cpt. Obvious

        Thanks for demonstrating the Christian's inability to grasp a simple concept.

        October 10, 2013 at 5:03 pm |
      • Austin

        Truth, is that me?

        October 10, 2013 at 5:05 pm |
      • Observer

        Circular Reasoning of Believers:

        1) Atheists are wrong because in order for something to exist, something must have created it.
        2) God exists
        3) Nothing created God.

        October 10, 2013 at 5:10 pm |
        • Gol

          You do believe that circular reasoning is bad right? No matter what side of the argument is doing it?

          October 10, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
        • Paul

          You don't understand the cosmological arguemnt.

          1. Whatever BEGINS to exist, has a beginning.
          2. The universe began to exist.
          3. The universe has a beginnng.

          Since God is eternal, He didn't begin to exist and He doesn't have a beginning. Thus, He has no creator.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:22 pm |
        • Observer

          Gol,

          Of couse circular reasoning is wrong. tt's a form of hypocrisy, which is why I oppose so many Christian hypocrites on here.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
        • Observer

          Paul,

          So anyone can claim that matter is eternal.

          You still haven't explained who created God or doesn't he EXIST?

          October 10, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Paul, why do you find an "uncaused cause" more plausible than infinite regress? Who created the universe/space for god to exist in while he was chanting his magic spellz to make da worldz?

          October 10, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Also, we don't know if the universe BEGAN to exist or not. We simply know that at one time it was very small and dense and hot and then it expanded and is still expanding.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:35 pm |
        • DerpDDerperson

          Paul said this:

          "You don't understand the cosmological arguemnt.

          1. Whatever BEGINS to exist, has a beginning.
          2. The universe began to exist.
          3. The universe has a beginnng.

          Since God is eternal, He didn't begin to exist and He doesn't have a beginning. Thus, He has no creator."

          If god has no creator, then how does he exist? The idea of an eternal being with no creator completely defies even the most basic logic.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:43 pm |
        • Gol

          @Observer- "Of couse circular reasoning is wrong. it's a form of hypocrisy, which is why I oppose so many Christian hypocrites on here."

          And how about the atheists that do it...are they hypocrites to the standards regulated by logic?

          October 10, 2013 at 6:00 pm |
        • Observer

          Gol

          "And how about the atheists that do it...are they hypocrites to the standards regulated by logic?"

          Everyone is guilty of some hypocrisy. Most people, however, don't take it to the extreme of using it to deny equal rights to others and telling them that they are such lowlives that they deserve to spend eternity burning in hell for not believing all of a book that the Christians themselves don't believe all of. Now THAT is hypocrisy.

          October 10, 2013 at 6:29 pm |
        • Gol

          Observer- "Everyone is guilty of some hypocrisy."

          Good...atheists and christians are in the same boat then.

          "Most people, however, don't take it to the extreme of using it to deny equal rights..."

          Yes..most people...religious and atheist alike do not it to the extreme and deny people equal rights.

          "telling them that they are such lowlives that they deserve to spend eternity burning in hell for not believing all of a book that the Christians themselves don't believe all of. Now THAT is hypocrisy."

          And it's dishonest to imply that religious people do any of that. I do not know a single person ever tell another they deserve to burn in hell. I don't count commentors on these blogs because it's a unreliable resource.

          October 10, 2013 at 6:38 pm |
        • Observer

          Gol

          "Most people, however, don't take it to the extreme of using it to deny equal rights..."

          Yes..most people...religious and atheist alike do not it to the extreme and deny people equal rights.

          "telling them that they are such lowlives that they deserve to spend eternity burning in hell for not believing all of a book that the Christians themselves don't believe all of. Now THAT is hypocrisy."

          And it's dishonest to imply that religious people do any of that."

          Are you really serious? So Christians don't believe that nonbelievers DESERVE to go to hell?

          So Christian haven't put tens of millions of dollars into funding opposition to gay marriage?

          You appear to be very naive when it comes to these blogs. Why not look at previous blogs so you will have a better idea of what is actually happening these days?

          October 10, 2013 at 8:00 pm |
        • Gol

          @Observer- "Are you really serious? So Christians don't believe that nonbelievers DESERVE to go to hell?"

          You are trying to change your words. You said "telling" them. That was mostly what I disagreed with. As for the deserve part....I really don't know. Many christians I have known look at it as a fact of existence. No one really deserves heaven and yet that opportunity is there.

          "So Christian haven't put tens of millions of dollars into funding opposition to gay marriage?"

          Of course they have. I am sorry...is there something wrong with citizens using legal means to invoke change? I am still waiting for you to show that christians have been denying someone their rights. You imply it as something illegal but haven't yet shown anything illegal.

          "You appear to be very naive when it comes to these blogs. Why not look at previous blogs so you will have a better idea of what is actually happening these days?"

          I knoe exactly what is going on. I think you however, have a difficult time separating your feelings from your position.

          October 11, 2013 at 2:11 pm |
    • christianity 101

      Nice!

      October 10, 2013 at 5:05 pm |
    • Gol

      "Yesterday morning there was a knock at my door. A pleasant and enthusiastic young couple were there."

      Error....no one came to the door and the theoretical couple was literally not pleasant. The rest falls apart from there. Nice try Colin but try getting better copy/paste from other places.

      October 10, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
      • Cpt. Obvious

        No, it is not a hypothetical story. It really happened. I find it interesting that you do not choose to refute any points mentioned, but rather you find it sufficient to declare that it "falls apart." Well, you've convinced yourself just like you've been trained to do and how you normally do. We're not surprised in the slightest, but you've not made any counter-case for an atheist to consider, either, have you?

        October 10, 2013 at 5:20 pm |
        • Gol

          @Cpt. Obvious- hold on..let me turn on the bla bla bla translator. My gosh you like to go on an on without saying anything.

          "It really happened."

          As the atheist says to the religious person....got any proof?

          "I find it interesting that you do not choose to refute any points mentioned,"

          There were no points. Just craptastic storytelling. I might as well been reading something of Tophers.

          "but rather you find it sufficient to declare that it "falls apart.""

          Seems that is what atheists do quite a bit on here. Since they declare there is no god...they can just ignore the rest. Do you condemn such behavior?

          "Well, you've convinced yourself just like you've been trained to do and how you normally do."

          Curious...exactly what have I ever been trained to do?

          "We're not surprised in the slightest, but you've not made any counter-case for an atheist to consider, either, have you?"

          You got a mouse in your pocket?
          What kind of counter case should I provide. I don't care if a person does not believe in god.

          October 10, 2013 at 6:05 pm |
    • O'drama ya Mama

      This is incredible. I just copied and pasted it and printed it out so i can pass this out to my friends. they will all get a kick out of it.

      October 10, 2013 at 5:43 pm |
  9. dragonfire0477

    Really? Are we five years old now? I thought the purpose of religion was to move past things like that and grow personally into wisdom. Childish antics like this are just as juvenile as the billboards proclaiming loudly that "God is Dead".

    October 10, 2013 at 4:50 pm |
    • Harry

      Why would it by childish to proclaim the latest god is dead?
      All the thousands of previous ones could be considered dead, no?

      October 10, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
    • Gol

      @dragonfire0477- it just shows that many christians and atheists are cut from the same cloth.

      October 10, 2013 at 5:10 pm |
  10. bkehr

    'To all of our atheist friends: Thank god you're wrong.'

    To all of my creationist friends – Which god?

    October 10, 2013 at 4:45 pm |
    • JWT

      Take your pick – one is pretty much the same as another.

      October 10, 2013 at 5:14 pm |
      • Hawkeye321`

        Wrong. The blessed among us know the only true god is Hercules.

        October 10, 2013 at 5:21 pm |
        • unbeliever

          Actually Hercules (or Heracles) was the son of a god, the primary god at the time, in the place called Greece. Funny thing about gods, they sure like to come out of the clouds and knock up the mortal women.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:40 pm |
  11. P.G.

    I'm willing to believe as soon as any religion or church is able to provide conclusive, indisputable, tangible, proof. Anyone? Anybody?
    Didn't think so!
    FYI – The Bible (and other books/writings) are not proof, they were written by PEOPLE!
    If God exists, and he has something to say to me, I'm sure he'd be more than capable of telling me himself. So far, I haven't heard a thing!

    October 10, 2013 at 4:40 pm |
    • Range Rover

      AMEN.

      ...far past time to be rid of gods.

      October 10, 2013 at 4:42 pm |
    • Gol

      Always like it when people ask questions and come to their own conclusions. Same type of people that believe in truthiness too.

      October 10, 2013 at 4:44 pm |
      • Observer

        Go,

        So you had NO ANSWER for his question also.

        October 10, 2013 at 4:50 pm |
        • Gol

          Of course I have an answer Observer. His question is invalid. He says he will believe if he has "conclusive, indisputable, tangible, proof". Now how is "belief" any of those things? Simple...it's not. If he had all those things he wouldn't believe...he would know.

          So anyway, his question he thought was clever was not. It happens.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:14 pm |
        • Observer

          Gol,

          He asked for proof which God could easily offer. You were unable to supply any. Instead you use "faith" which could include believing in Darth Vader and is apparently just as reliable. Faith in Superman does not make him real.

          His question wasn't invalid. You just had no valid answer.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
        • Gol

          @Observer- "He asked for proof which God could easily offer."

          Actually he said, "I'm willing to believe as soon as any religion or church...."

          "You were unable to supply any."

          Why would I?

          "Instead you use "faith" which could include believing in Darth Vader and is apparently just as reliable. Faith in Superman does not make him real."

          No more real that your significant other isn't cheating on you or that your mom is a wh ore. Faith is just that...faith. I don't defend it beyond that which it is. You seem to want faith to transcend it's definition. Sorry but reality doesn't work that way.

          "His question wasn't invalid. You just had no valid answer."

          Actually his question is invalid and my answer was quite valid. You just didn't like it.

          October 10, 2013 at 6:11 pm |
        • Observer

          Gol,

          He asked for proof that God exists. Your feeble answer was that it was a matter of faith, which is like claiming Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy exist since many people believe in them.

          Obviously, God could prove his existence in just a few seconds. Either he chooses not to or else he doesn't exist. You have totally failed to give any proof in response to the original request. As he indicated, you have ZERO PROOF.

          October 10, 2013 at 6:19 pm |
        • Gol

          @Observer- "He asked for proof that God exists."

          That he did. Proof that he has to declare to count.

          "Your feeble answer was that it was a matter of faith, which is like claiming Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy exist since many people believe in them."

          You just don't get it. I can't prove him to believe. You can't prove him to believe anything either. In his very own question he goofs up because he doesn't ask for proof to know a god exists. He wants proof to believe that a god exists. You can't do that and in the name of all things logical, I can't figure out why you can't see that.

          "Either he chooses not to or else he doesn't exist."

          Or he chooses to in other ways that do not conform with your rigid and inflexible mindset. That's also a possiblity.

          "You have totally failed to give any proof in response to the original request."

          I cannot give proof to make someone believe in anything. Neither can you. The question is still invalid.

          "As he indicated, you have ZERO PROOF."

          Proof of what?

          October 10, 2013 at 6:32 pm |
    • Questioner

      Just because you can't hear something doesn't mean nothing is being said.

      October 10, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
  12. Range Rover

    I met a tribe of cannibal christians once...not for me thank you, you can have your sweet perversion!

    October 10, 2013 at 4:38 pm |
  13. Colin

    What is the only thing capable of making more than 40% of the country utterly stupid enough to think the entire Universe began less than 10,000 years ago with one man, one woman and a talking snake:

    (a) a horrid disease

    (b) a successful Al Queda plot

    (c) a failed education system; or

    (d) Christianity?

    October 10, 2013 at 4:34 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      The only thing capable of creating university level teachers who can't construct a valid argument?

      Public education.

      October 10, 2013 at 4:41 pm |
      • Cpt. Obvious

        Public education didn't work out too well for you, Deacon? That's a shame.

        October 10, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
    • Gol

      Asking questions and support one's closed minded agenda is..

      a) done by a fool

      b) done by a moron

      c) done by Colin

      d) all of the above

      You prove nothing with this common tactic Colin. Try something else.

      October 10, 2013 at 4:47 pm |
      • PNB

        Did you see Colin's logical fallacy?
        Ironic, cuz he always plays that card against the religious. 🙂

        October 10, 2013 at 4:48 pm |
    • PNB

      HEADLINE: Colin taunt Christians in latest message board war
      SUBHEADLINE: Why does he spend so much time trolling the religious?

      Question?: Why doesn't he like, uh, post on science blogs? Does he not understand what they are talking about out?

      October 10, 2013 at 4:47 pm |
      • Observer

        One answer: You don't usually see people on science blogs hypocritically trying to deny others equal rights.

        October 10, 2013 at 4:53 pm |
        • PNB

          Right! There are scientists posting on them. Not internet atheists/fundies acting alike.

          October 10, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
        • Gol

          How many people have you seen on here denying anyone their rights? Well?

          October 10, 2013 at 5:16 pm |
        • Observer

          Gol,

          Go to any of the blogs about equal rights for gays and you will see lots of Christian HYPOCRITES in support of denying them equal rights.

          Get serious.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
        • Gol

          @Observer- you didn't answer my question. What? Don't you have a vaild answer to give..lol.

          "Go to any of the blogs about equal rights for gays and you will see lots of Christian HYPOCRITES in support of denying them equal rights."

          Supporting and actually denying are two different things. Learn something and get serious.
          Btw, are we on any of those theoretical blogs? No...we are on this one where you couldn't answer my question.

          October 10, 2013 at 6:14 pm |
        • Observer

          Gol

          Number of people on THIS blog trashing gays: probably none (I haven't read all 24 pages and doubt you have either)

          Number of Christian HYPOCRITES on these belief blogs trashing gays: PLENTY.

          Get your head out of the sand and into reality. Your standard answer to every question requesting PROOF of anything is that you BELIEVE something. Total so far: ZERO PROOF.

          October 10, 2013 at 6:41 pm |
        • Gol

          @Observer- "Number of people on THIS blog trashing gays: probably none (I haven't read all 24 pages and doubt you have either)"

          1. My comments are not reliant reading every comment. Your comments are for your statements to be worth anything,
          2. Trashing is not the same as denying. If that was the case, you are denying christians their rights because you trash them quite a bit.

          "Number of Christian HYPOCRITES on these belief blogs trashing gays: PLENTY."

          Still does not prove your original accusation that people rights are being denied.

          "Get your head out of the sand and into reality."

          I stand on the firm ground of reality everyday. I suggest you quit randomly guessing.

          "Your standard answer to every question requesting PROOF of anything is that you BELIEVE something."

          Of course I believe in stuff but I am not the person making positive claims on here they cannot back up. Sorry but thems the breaks kid.

          "Total so far: ZERO PROOF."

          Yep..that is exactly what you have offered. Nothing.

          October 10, 2013 at 8:01 pm |
        • Observer

          Gol,

          Christians have many millions of dollars to deny equal rights to gays. Are you delusional enough to pretend it didn't happen?

          Why not do some research for a change so you have better answers than that you have "faith" that your guesses are right? .

          October 10, 2013 at 8:06 pm |
        • Gol

          @Observer- "Christians have many millions of dollars to deny equal rights to gays. Are you delusional enough to pretend it didn't happen?"

          Incorrect. Certain Christian groups have millions to lobby in a legal manner to express their beliefs and influence government. Nothing illegal about doing that now is there?

          "Why not do some research for a change so you have better answers than that you have "faith" that your guesses are right?"

          I do quite a bit of research and don't believe I am right. I know I am correct.

          October 11, 2013 at 2:14 pm |
  14. Colin

    If you change your mind, God will change your heart.

    October 10, 2013 at 4:31 pm |
    • Dave Green

      Right, which is just another way of saying..If you just believe...You'll believe! Just start interpreting all of your experiences as God working in your life and you'll prop that faith up nice and strong!...Self propping philosophy at its finest.

      October 10, 2013 at 4:35 pm |
      • Gol

        People do that all the time regardless of religious perspective.

        October 10, 2013 at 4:48 pm |
        • Dave Green

          I agree, though I'm not seeing your point. Are you suggesting that makes it a reasonable thing to do?

          October 10, 2013 at 4:58 pm |
        • Gol

          Nope, just making it clear that it isn't a condition regulated strictly to those of a religious background. Some people on here have a bad habit of placing generalized negatives upon specific groups.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
  15. jj

    Science has proved how old the earth and the universe are. Creationists, get your heads out of the sand.

    October 10, 2013 at 4:27 pm |
    • HotArroganceB

      Actually, it hasn't proved it. There are some very good theories. And a lot of faith.

      October 10, 2013 at 4:28 pm |
      • Truth

        typical believer, head in the sand so your world doesn't crumble.

        Simple cells first appeared on Earth nearly 4 billion years ago. We had insects 400 million years ago, dinosaurs 300 million years ago and flowering plants 130 million years ago, Anatomically modern humans have only been around for the last 200,000 years.

        develop.”

        October 10, 2013 at 4:32 pm |
        • HotArroganceB

          Unless you were alive back then and alive today you can't know for sure. You have to theorize and put your faith in other people's theories.

          October 10, 2013 at 4:40 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          A person can believe scientific theories by faith if he wants to, but it's not necessary because of tangible methods of measurement. A person can ONLY believe in religious theories by faith because it's the only way to believe; there are ZERO tangible methods of measurement.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
        • somethingstellar

          lol trying to convince these people is almost a total waste of time my friend. Even things that can be shown to be true will always be met with "It's just a theory", even though many things are not "just a theory" anymore,
          Don't forget, these are the people who think carbon dating is a lie from the devil and dinosaur bones were put on the earth to test people's faith lol.

          And I guess all those volcanic eruptions that left evidence that have been carbonated, tsunami debris, fossilized forests, and ice core samples that have been tested were all lies too.

          Which means I guess the giant eruption that formed the massive caldera in Yellowstone Park never happened either. And neither did the ice age. And I suppose the ancient craters left from objects impacting earth were also a test! "It was probably God's shooting range" they'll tell you. All lies invented for our amusement. We are crafty, crafty devils, trying to corrupt the world with knowledge. How dare us!

          October 10, 2013 at 5:47 pm |
      • Dave Green

        pretty much the only way that works is if you question reality its self, which wouldn't be such a bad thing, except that you don't. Obviously, or you wouldn't be here typing on a computer that you can't prove exists.
        The problem with your argument is the inconsistency of the epistemology. You have no problem accepting that you exist and that the things you perceive are actually there in your everyday life, but as soon as one of those observations interferes with your philisophical world view, you throw the whole thing in the trash and claim.."It's not proven!"

        October 10, 2013 at 4:39 pm |
        • HotArroganceB

          Sir,

          I think the theories are probably correct. But they have not been proven without a doubt. They are theories. We do not know for sure.

          The only way to know for sure is to either be alive that whole time (which would probably make you something like a God).

          October 10, 2013 at 4:55 pm |
      • P.G.

        To become a scientific theory, an idea must be thoroughly tested, and must be an accurate and predictive description of the natural world.
        An educated person knows that in science a "Theory" must be proven. Example, Einstein's Theory of Relativity
        Three experiments conducted between 1881 and 1938 were critical to its validation. These are the Michelson–Morley experiment, the Kennedy–Thorndike experiment, and the Ives–Stilwell experiment.
        Instruments ranging from electron microscopes to particle accelerators and GPS simply will not work if relativistic considerations are omitted. Its been proven, but its still called a "theory".

        Maybe this one is easier for you to understand... Newton's theory of gravitation You're not floating off into space are you??

        October 10, 2013 at 4:53 pm |
        • HotArroganceB

          I can test the theory of gravity. I can't test the age of the universe. Experts estimate it is 15 to 20 billion years old.
          5 billion year variable? That is not proof of the age of the universe. No sir.

          October 10, 2013 at 4:58 pm |
        • Joey

          So you can prove that gravity is not the result of invisible pixies tugging things down? The theory part is what causes gravity. Just like in evolution, it is obvious that evolution happens and the theory attempts to explain how and why things evolve.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:03 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Arrogance, do you know anything about light speed, red shift, and stellar mechanics?

          October 10, 2013 at 5:06 pm |
        • HotArroganceB

          Ok. Exactly how old is the universe. To the day.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Was that a yes or a no?

          October 10, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
        • HotArroganceB

          I can google those terms just like you.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Classic evasion. Typical Christian tactic.

          Keep lying for jesus. Rock on!

          October 10, 2013 at 5:21 pm |
        • Joey

          Do you have any reason to believe that the scientists who determined the age of the universe didn't know what they were doing?

          October 10, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
        • HotArroganceB

          What is the exact age of the universe?

          Come on, use your science and tell me. Don't be another example of atheistic evasion. A typical atheist tactic.

          And I'm not a Christian, genius.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Arrogance, you have a great name. Good job on that.

          Twice you evaded my questions, and if you don't want people to azzume you're a Christian, then just tell us what you are. Whatever you are, you argue as pathetically and dishonestly as the typical Christian, and you make exactly as much sense. Be proud of it, I guess. Nothing much you can do, it seems.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:42 pm |
        • HotArroganceB

          Holy crap! You act exactly like the fundie retards you profess to hate. Calm down. I don't have to answer your ridiculously biased and as.suming questions. I was talking with someone else, and you barged in and demand I pay attention to you. Go away – stop acting like my 14 year old niece.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:47 pm |
      • truthprevails1

        Anyone who uses the word theory in the sense you just did does not comprehend what a Scientific Theory is. "A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation.Scientists create scientific theories from hypotheses that have been corroborated through the scientific method, then gather evidence to test their accuracy. As with all forms of scientific knowledge, scientific theories are inductive in nature and aim for predictive and explanatory force."

        Faith is belief without evidence, which is not what science sets out to do. Science corrects when wrong, the bible isn't quite the same and we know it has never been updated. We know that evolution proves the Adam and Eve story to be false...the DNA record alone proves this.

        Denying the facts won't make them disappear and the more you deny them, the more ignorant you look. It should be cut and dry: Evolution can be taught in schools; creationism can't be.

        October 10, 2013 at 4:54 pm |
        • HotArroganceB

          Science has not proved how old the universe is.

          We just have theories. And the theories say 15 to 20 billion years old! That is an estimation. NOt proof.

          October 10, 2013 at 4:56 pm |
        • truthprevails1

          Once again you ignorant buffoon, you fail miserably at comprehending what a scientific theory is, the definition was provided for you and you ignorantly ignored it. There is enough EVIDENCE to say that the Universe is 13.8 billion years old.
          Maybe you don't care what the evidence states but there are those of us who do.
          You couldn't even get the age right proving you have no clue as to what you are trying to debate. Get an education outside of Momma's barnyard and then come back and speak to the adults.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:06 pm |
        • Jeb Shrub

          Well, Arrogance, there is a large green invisible teapot orbiting Uranus. It's much bigger than you are, and after you die you are going to boil in it forever to make tea for the great god Millie Pastroni.

          Prove that isn't so.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:03 pm |
        • Truth

          You have FAITH in the scientists who did work to come up with those theories. You didn't do any work. You just placed your faith in their work.
          You are probably incapable of determining the estimated age of the universe on your own. So you use FAITH to understand what others have learned.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:04 pm |
        • truthprevails1

          No, I don't have faith, I have reasonable expectations based on the evidence they provide. Unlike christians and in fact most theists, I am likely to change my mind as the evidence is presented to me. You dolts think your holy books are all the answers you'll ever require, what a sad pathetic lie you live.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
        • HotArroganceB

          Jeb Shrub

          Only somebody who believes in your teapot theory would also believe science has PROVED the age of the universe.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
        • Joey

          If I wanted to I could learn how to do the science and prove it for myself, but I don't really see any reason to.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
        • Jeb Shrub

          Utterly false. Faith really has no place in science. We might state within science that something is the best presently available explanation, but it is always open to revision. That is antithetical to religion, which is purely doctrinal and dogmatic, and therefore should never change (yet Christian doctrine has changed many times...)

          October 10, 2013 at 5:10 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          I trust science because everyone uses chemistry and math the same way too make computers and medical equipment and mars rovers. Babbling about god doing things 6,000 years ago hasn't made any MRI machines or computers, yet.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
        • Jeb Shrub

          Arrogance, since you lack the guts to take up the challenge of proving that the teapot doesn't exist, I can similarly reject your crazy talking snake walking zombie story.

          Got it yet, stupid?

          October 10, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
        • HotArroganceB

          Jeb Shrub

          You as.sume a lot. And you are a jerk. Where did I say I was a Christian? Where did I ask you to believe in a talking snake or a zombie? And, if you know anything about science fiction/Christianity Jesus was not a zombie by definition. They said he was resurrected not the walking dead. Have fun talking about religion and God all day.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
        • HotArroganceB

          "Some would have you think that faith and reason are like oil and water. This simply isn't the case. Some of the greatest minds in history have employed faith to advance the frontiers of science. Many of the greatest scientists in history are people with a deep faith, not just in their science, but also in God."

          Cullen Buie, MIT Engineering Professor

          I'll trust the scientist over the internet philosopher "Jeb".

          October 10, 2013 at 5:22 pm |
        • Jeb Shrub

          Arrogance, since you lack the guts to take up the challenge of proving that the teapot doesn't exist, I can similarly reject your crazy talking snake walking zombie story.

          Got it yet, stupid?

          October 10, 2013 at 5:22 pm |
        • Jeb Shrub

          That is a misunderstanding of faith. Faith really has no place in science. We might state within science that something is the best presently available explanation, but it is always open to revision. That is antithetical to religion, which is purely doctrinal and dogmatic, and therefore should never change (yet Christian doctrine has changed many times...)

          October 10, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
        • Ironicus

          How is Thomas being able to stick his hand in the wounds not sound gross as fuck and zombie as fuck?
          Seriously. That is some sick stuff right there. Good thing it's all BS.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
        • HotArroganceB

          "Some would have you think that faith and reason are like oil and water. This simply isn't the case. Some of the greatest minds in history have employed faith to advance the frontiers of science. Many of the greatest scientists in history are people with a deep faith, not just in their science, but also in God."

          Cullen Buie, MIT Engineering Professor

          October 10, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
        • HotArroganceB

          Austin, is that me?

          October 10, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Busted. It is me.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
        • Penelope Pumpkins

          Busted is me.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:38 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Hey, name stealer, are you proud of stooping to such dishonesty? Does it make you feel proud to steal another person's screen name? What does jesus think of it, I wonder?

          October 10, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          What does Jesus think of you ignoring atheists who steal Christian names???

          I don't know. I'm not Christian.

          October 10, 2013 at 5:45 pm |
    • Paul

      @jj
      "Science has proved how old the earth and the universe are. Creationists, get your heads out of the sand."

      Science hasn't proved it. Science is an abstract concept, a tool we use to help us understand and evaiutate the world around us. There are many different intrepretations of the evidence. Creationists have their intrepretation, IDers have their intrepretation, atheists have their intrepretation.

      October 10, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
      • Picks N Shovels

        ID is creationism. They were busted famously when they changed disguises.

        October 10, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
        • Paul

          @Picks N Shovles
          "ID is creationism."

          Sorry, they are not the same thing. You should let atheists try to tell you about ID or creation. ID doesn't answer the "designer" question, they just say that design is scientifically observable. Creation on the other hand is conserned about the designer question and they believe it is the God of the Bible.

          So now you one of many differences between ID and Creation and you won't be able to conflate them in the future.

          October 10, 2013 at 6:10 pm |
  16. Truth

    Topher get off me, I can't see the screen OW!

    October 10, 2013 at 4:26 pm |
    • Colin

      I HAD wondered about that sort of relationship in the past...

      October 10, 2013 at 4:44 pm |
  17. Dave Green

    This whole debate is silly. It always has been. It's a red herring that plays right into the hands of creationists, but so many atheists just can't seem to resist the bait.
    There is NO reasonable argument for creationism and never has been. It's a philosophical argument at best with about as much substance as a piece of popcorn. BUT, if creationists can get you debating evolution, they can push you down the rabbit hole of silliness there bye taking the focus off their own unsubstantiated claims. Thus, a red herring.
    The interesting thing is that even if creationists somehow managed to prove evolution false, it wouldn't add one bit of credence to their claims.
    Furthermore, the fact of evolution doesn't prove there is no god of some sort. Many theists accept evolution as true and simply believe it is the process by which "God" brought about the diversity of life on Earth. So, at the end of the day, this entire debate is as useless as two breasts on a bull! The only people that really have a stake in it, are those dwindling few (relatively speaking) who still believe a god created the whole thing in 6 days and made humans from a clump of dirt. heh

    October 10, 2013 at 4:25 pm |
    • Truth

      should we kill the bull for god? (he used to really dig that kind of bloody mess)

      October 10, 2013 at 4:26 pm |
  18. Truth

    Notice the sign in the photo....right next to it is a smaller sign reading, the Left MUST turn Left....co-incidence?

    October 10, 2013 at 4:25 pm |
  19. Truth

    I wonder if god is in hell for plagiarizing the bible, if jesus is really satan, and that the whole big sorted mess was just a deity family strife gone wrong??

    Food for thought...

    October 10, 2013 at 4:24 pm |
    • Jesatan

      Oh! You got me. April fools...uh..hold on that's the other planet...I mean Happy Halloween.

      October 31, 2013 at 5:44 pm |
  20. Jason

    choosing to be atheist is just so.... boring. there isn't any evidence proving or disproving God's existence, so why hedge your bets in any direction? stick to being agnostic folks. this existence we are in is too awesome not to keep a little hope and mystery for yourselves.

    One other thing to add is, just because you cannot sense things around you, doesn't mean they aren't there. Science is beginning to figure that out.

    October 10, 2013 at 4:23 pm |
    • Truth

      You're just confused. Atheist, agnostic, small difference. I avow firmly that every single "god" ever created by Man is false. All of them, all fables, all myths, all stories, all fiction etc.

      But, that does not in any way shape or form negate the existence of anything else in the cosmos. Think about it. There are literally trillions of star systems, all with numerous planets. So life MUST exist out there. Since we know nothing about it yet, making any claims one way or another would be utter folly. If a new "god" shows up with a shred of proof, something our Earthly gods lack, well then our scientific community would take a look at this proof. But until then....we're waiting... 🙂

      October 10, 2013 at 4:30 pm |
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